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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast.

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Speaker 3: This week on the show, I'm joined by Bill Winky

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Speaker 3: for twenty fast questions on late season whitetail hunting. All right,

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Speaker 3: welcome back to the Wired tont podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 3: by First Light and their Camera for Conservation initiative. And

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Speaker 3: today we're playing twenty questions with the one and only

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Speaker 3: Bill Winky. You know him from Midwest whitetail and bow hunting,

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Speaker 3: White Tales with Bill Winki and countless articles over the

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Speaker 3: years and Peterson's Bow Hunting and other places as well.

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Speaker 3: He's one of the foremost authorities on whitetail huntings, excess

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Speaker 3: bow hunting especially, and so today I wanted to run

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Speaker 3: them through twenty questions, twenty relatively rapid fire questions about

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Speaker 3: hunting the late season to get a really clear understanding

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Speaker 3: of what the Winky way is for this, you know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes really challenging part of the hunting season. So that's

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Speaker 3: what we're gonna do. We're not gonna be there on

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Speaker 3: the bush. We're not gonna take a long time telling stories.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be fast. This is going to

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Speaker 3: be to the point. Ideas, tactics, strategies for failing your

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Speaker 3: tag in these final weeks maybe month and a half

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Speaker 3: might be even less than that, might be two weeks,

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Speaker 3: three weeks. But there's certainly some good hunts to be had.

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Speaker 3: I'll reiterate something that I mentioned probably two weeks ago

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Speaker 3: I guess at the end of my kind of review

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Speaker 3: of late season hunting tactics, and that's that this time

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Speaker 3: of year is such a great time to invite somebody

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Speaker 3: out there with you, to take your kids, to go

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Speaker 3: out there with your dad or your grandpa, or your

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Speaker 3: spouse or a buddy that wants to learn to hunt,

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Speaker 3: you know, especially if you don't have a specific buck

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Speaker 3: that you're after and you're just trying to have a

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Speaker 3: fun way to wrap up the year, that's a great

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Speaker 3: way to do it. On the flip side, though, if

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Speaker 3: you are trying to kill that one special buck, you're

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Speaker 3: still trying to kill a mature buck. And you have,

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Speaker 3: you know, the special set of circumstances that Bill's going

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Speaker 3: to tell you about, and you have to be extra

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Speaker 3: careful with how you do it, and you're really trying

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Speaker 3: to be tactical. Well, what we're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: today should help you do that as well. So, without

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Speaker 3: much further ado, I do want to just give you

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Speaker 3: what we're really focusing on though, is late season success.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to my chat, my twenty questions with mister

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Speaker 3: Bill Winky, the one and only legend himself. Here we go,

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Speaker 3: all right with me now on the line for I

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Speaker 3: couldn't tell you which number of appearances has been Bill,

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Speaker 3: but it's been a lot, and I appreciate I've got

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Speaker 3: Bill Winky back on the show.

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Speaker 2: Bill, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my pleasure, Mark, good to be here.

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Speaker 2: I always enjoy our chats.

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Speaker 3: I want to tell you I think I texted you this,

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Speaker 3: but if not, I want to tell you in person

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Speaker 3: how much I enjoyed your appearance on our back forty

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Speaker 3: series that we did with Jake Hoefer. That turned out

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Speaker 3: really cool. Your inputs were really helpful on that, so

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Speaker 3: thank you again for that. Yeah. So today Bill, we

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Speaker 3: talk about late season white tails the Bill Winky win.

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Speaker 3: So I've got twenty twenty rapid fire whitetail questions for

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Speaker 3: what is the Bill Winkie way for late season white

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Speaker 4: It's pretty easy, really. I mean, you've got to have food,

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Speaker 4: Bow hunting late season deer is really really tough if

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Speaker 3: Yeah, can it be done if you don't have those

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Speaker 4: There are people who do it, definitely, but they're a

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Speaker 4: lot tougher than me because they're sitting in tree stands

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's you know, being tough is cool. But the

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Speaker 3: The first of those was that you do not want

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Speaker 4: Well, the deer this time of the year, there've had

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Speaker 3: figure out this balance, right, because to your point, you

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Speaker 3: the next day, but then he's off doing something different

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Speaker 4: That's more of a something that you see the early

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Speaker 4: that they won't be there the next day. So the

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Speaker 4: hunt that area. But during the late season, I find,

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Speaker 4: especially if the weather pattern stays the same and it

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Speaker 4: stays cold, they almost fall into They become almost I

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Speaker 4: would say dumb. They're not really dumb, but they become

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Speaker 4: so hard on that pattern that they'll follow it every day.

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Speaker 3: So if all of this is predicated then on confirming

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Speaker 4: But you just don't want to. Again, my point is

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Speaker 3: With the cameras, since that's that's a big part of

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Speaker 2: How does that look?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't. I'm pretty simple when it comes

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't be grudge anybody doing it anyway,

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Speaker 4: that I've started using the stealth cameras that have the revolver,

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Speaker 3: Keeping those hands warm, that the fingers, that's so so critical,

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Speaker 4: My toes turn into little ice cubes. It's amazing. Literally,

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Speaker 4: I'm not exaggerating now. I mean I've been through it

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Speaker 4: haven't been hunting super cold yet, but you know, if

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Speaker 4: even just saying oh, it's cold, well it can actually

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yikes, a little bit more on those conditions. We've said, like,

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Speaker 4: I think if it's ten degrees below a seasonal norm,

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Speaker 3: How how how long of a period of that cold

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Speaker 4: Well, it depends on whether you've got snow or no snow. Also,

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Speaker 4: I think that's that'll kay come off for sure.

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Speaker 2: Do you find certain behaviors or food source preferences when

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they will tend to go maybe a little bit

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Speaker 4: They just want carbohydrates. Yeah, and you know, they are

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Speaker 4: they're going to the corn right now, and we've had

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Speaker 4: i would say slightly below seasonal temperatures and it's supposed

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Speaker 4: They're going to be on that corn really hard. It's

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Speaker 4: like the rest of the year they're like, yeah, whatever,

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Speaker 4: you know, all my greens, but the corn really comes

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Speaker 3: What about beans? I feel like that's another carb that

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Speaker 4: Or no, I mean if you don't have corn beans,

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00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 4: for sure, the beans are more of a protein food source,

434
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 4: a little bit less on the carb side. Sorghum has

435
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 4: got a decent amount of carbs also, but not as

436
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 4: much you know, per pound or per whatever, you know,

437
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 4: as as corn does. Corn is like starch. I mean,

438
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 4: they're they're just on that. But I've definitely had some

439
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 4: great late season hunts on beans, but that's only because

440
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 4: I didn't have corn nearby. They were going to go to,

441
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 4: you know whatever, it was handy. But the farm that

442
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 4: I own now has pretty fairly low or moderate year density,

443
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 4: and I've got tons of food. So it's kind of

444
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 4: interesting to see what they what they prefer when they

445
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 4: have choices, and they are definitely on corn right now,

446
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 4: but I'd say way way more than anything else.

447
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: How do you So here's that this is a larger,

448
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: larger set of questions here, but something that I've wrestled

449
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 3: with at all different parts of the year. But I'm

450
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: curious in the late season when you have a place

451
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 3: to hunt that has multiple food source options in different directions.

452
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: So it's not that they're all stuck going to the

453
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 3: south because that's your only food source, But on a

454
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: given day in the late season, if they've got corn

455
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: to their east, and they've got corn to the north,

456
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 3: and then they've got beans to the south, and then

457
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: they have you know, a recent cut cutover to the

458
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 3: to the other direction. They've got options. How do you

459
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 3: go about determining which one of those possible options is

460
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 3: the best on any given night in the late season?

461
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: Do you do you play wind into that at all?

462
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: Is there anything else that helps you pick which one,

463
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,479
Speaker 3: which you know, spot on the dial they might go

464
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 3: when there's a bunch of different ways they could.

465
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they'll use the wind more than you know.

466
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 4: I think that it's a little bit tougher to uh

467
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 4: put yourself in front of them, because of all the

468
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 4: options that they have. But still they can. They can

469
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 4: get after a certain point, so entrenched in a certain

470
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: feeding area that they might give up a little wind

471
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 4: advantage because now they've got so comfortable going there. But

472
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 4: that's a pretty rare situation where most people hunt. The

473
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 4: deer are still skittish. They're they're not going to walk

474
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 4: into a cornfield and broad daylight with the wind at

475
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 4: they're back. You know, it's pretty rare. I mean, they

476
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 4: might on my farm, you know, another week or two,

477
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 4: because you know, excuse me, I'm not going to be

478
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 4: in there. There's no honey pressure. The deer might get

479
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 4: so comfortable that they'll come into the feeding areas with

480
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 4: the wind at the back, but normally you're going to

481
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 4: need a cross wind or something like that. You got

482
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: to figure out. And you can even tell that a

483
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 4: little bit on your truck camp photos if you got

484
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 4: cameras on each one of those locations, because you can

485
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 4: play the wind direction versus what direction the deer come

486
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 4: from and what time the day they get there, and

487
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: you can kind of figure it out. But when they

488
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 4: have options, they do what's best for them. Yeah, and

489
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 4: so they're going to play the wind.

490
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: What about situations where there's a lot of in the

491
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 3: timber food, whether it be natural brows or masts, and

492
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: maybe maybe it's just a year where there's just tons

493
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: of acorns and so that's still out there a lot.

494
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: How's that factor into things for you?

495
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 4: Well, and that's that's the strength and the weakness of

496
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 4: my farm. It's the strength from the standpoint, is the

497
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 4: deer get as much nutrition as they could possibly want,

498
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 4: But it's the weakness that they don't have any urgency

499
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 4: to feed because there's food everywhere, so they're not to move.

500
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 4: And everybody thinks, oh, the deer move. You know, you

501
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 4: go to food every night. Well, what if the food

502
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 4: is right there where they're bedded, you think they're gonna move. No,

503
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 4: the rut will make them move, but they're not coming out.

504
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 4: They don't come out, so that means you, you know,

505
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: for the part of the year when it makes sense

506
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: to go in after them, that's your only option is

507
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 4: you can't wait for them to come out because there's

508
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 4: no urgency. There's so much food available to them everywhere

509
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 4: they go. And that's good, I mean, you want that,

510
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 4: but again, the deer are only very let's say, killable

511
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 4: when they're stressed. The more stress they have, the more

512
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 4: killable they are. So without any stress, there's no urgency,

513
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 4: they don't have to do anything. So anyway, to answer

514
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 4: your question, snow, excuse me. Snow is kind of your

515
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 4: friend at that point because it covers everything and it's

516
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 4: a lot easier to go into a cornfield and smell,

517
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 4: you know, a deer a corn under six inches of

518
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 4: snow that it is to find two acorns, you know

519
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 4: that are you know, underneath one of the oak trees

520
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: that every been eat yet. Yes, so I think that

521
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 4: snow definitely is a big equalizer at that point, but

522
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: it can be really tough. I knew a fellow one time,

523
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: a good friend that did a bunch of timber stand improvement,

524
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 4: then fertilized the timber. I don't know how he did it,

525
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 4: but he fertilized it. And he said that there never

526
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 4: came out. So it's the worst idea because they never

527
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 4: they never moved, they never came out. He hardly killed

528
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 4: anything for two years. So that that kind of goes

529
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 4: to your point on that if there's a lot of

530
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 4: food in the timber, you're going to expect, you know,

531
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 4: pretty low return on your investment of time sitting in

532
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: the open. Yeah.

533
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: So I know you mentioned that it would be not

534
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: necessarily fun because he's had to be cold and be

535
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: in a tree. But let's say that for some reason,

536
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: all of your crop's gone next year. Yeah, the only

537
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: food source you had were those acorns on your ridges.

538
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: If I told you next year, all right, billy, you've

539
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 3: got to kill a buck during the late season next year,

540
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: and you're not gonna have your cornfields, and you just

541
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: have to take advantage of the natural food sources. How

542
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: do you think you would if you were forcing that situation?

543
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: How do you think you go about doing it?

544
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 4: Well? I think that I I don't think they see

545
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 4: danger the same when they're in the timber. I think

546
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 4: you can hunt them on warmer days, So I would

547
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 4: just hunt the warm days, Okay, I don't think that

548
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 4: would slow them down for feeding, you know, twenty or

549
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 4: thirty yards from their bedding area, you know, or fifty

550
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 4: yards or one hundred. I mean, you've got to get

551
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 4: some you know, comfort zone between you and them. It's

552
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 4: just really hard because if there's snow on the ground

553
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 4: in particular, you're not going to sneak in there, right,

554
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: you know, It's like it's either squeaks underfoot or it

555
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 4: crunches underfoot and they can see it from a mile away.

556
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 4: I mean, we wear snow camo now for almost all

557
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 4: of our entry at the exit. And that's even when

558
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: we're hunting in the open all right, just by the

559
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: chance that some deers that is close enough to see

560
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: us passing through and still use cover, still sneaking through

561
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: behind you know, standing corn if there's some or a

562
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: fence row or whatever. But wearing snow cameo. Yeah, the

563
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 4: late season is tough.

564
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: It is, so speaking of I've got to kind of

565
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: condition two more condition related questions, and you mentioned one

566
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: of them, which is warm weather, and maybe that helps

567
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: you in a big woods type situation. But we talked

568
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: about how maybe a warm up can help. But what

569
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: if it's just consistently warm, Like we've had some late

570
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: seasons where we've all been just waiting and praying and

571
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: hoping for the big coal from and we never get it,

572
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: and we've got it's Christmas or it's New Year's and

573
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: it's t shirt weather. What do you do when your

574
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: only time off and is stuck with that kind of

575
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: set of conditions.

576
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: Well, you would have to go in after them for sure,

577
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 4: because they're just not going to come out, even in

578
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 4: areas without much hunting pressure where they're not feeling you know,

579
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: that that vulnerability like they might in areas that have

580
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: gotten pressure. Uh, they still don't move well in the

581
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 4: late season, right when it's warm, and we've seen it,

582
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 4: like again, my farm is a little bit different because

583
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 4: there's not tons of deers and they don't have to

584
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 4: feed in the open. They do if it gets really,

585
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 4: really bad like it's been. But otherwise they just stay

586
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 4: back in the timber. I've seen years where we could sit,

587
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 4: you know, four or five six nights in a row

588
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 4: in late December in spots for the deer and never

589
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 4: seen a hunter that season and not see it deer.

590
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 4: So the only way you're going to kill those deer

591
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 4: is going after almost like to do during the rut. Okay,

592
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 4: which it's I don't know how to do it exactly

593
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 4: because I've never I've never really wanted one that ba

594
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 4: that late in the year. But if that's your thing,

595
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 4: you'd have to. You have to figure out where they're

596
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 4: bedded and then find you know, something as close to

597
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 4: that as you can get where you're playing the wind

598
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 4: and hope the best.

599
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I had one more follow up prior to

600
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: warm weather on the cold side of things. So back

601
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: to the cold fronts. There's a lot of discussion and

602
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: you mentioned this a little bit around the best moments

603
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: around a cold front, and you mentioned, you know, the

604
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: night of being great and maybe those couple of days after,

605
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: But what about when you have these fronts pushed through

606
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: that come with a bunch of wind, like those blizzards

607
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: that come in, you've got all this snow and it's

608
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: happening tonight. You've got it's way colder tonight. The snow

609
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: is happening right now, but there's also a fifteen twenty

610
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: mile an hour winds. Some people like, man, I don't

611
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: want to miss that because this is you know, yesterday

612
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: was forty five and today it's seventeen. So should you

613
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: be out there on that kind of night or do

614
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: you want to wait till it settles down and the

615
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: bluebird skies show up and it's a little bit more relaxed.

616
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: I think you can hunt them both, because I think

617
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 4: that wind and that stormfront going through is going to

618
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 4: cover a lot of the coming and going. You know

619
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 4: that you're you know the damage that you might be

620
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 4: doing that way, So I would hunt I would hunt

621
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 4: them both. I would ideally have somebody that can come

622
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 4: with a vehicle or something and get me out of

623
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: there at the legal shooting time on the first evening.

624
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 4: But even then, if it's windy and snowing, you just

625
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 4: if you've got deer right there, non target deer, you're

626
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 4: not getting out of there without somebody coming and running

627
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: them off. So you almost have to have that in

628
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 4: the plant, and then the next evening might be the

629
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 4: better one of two. I would say, if you had

630
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: to pick between when the front is going through and

631
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: it's windy with a lot of snow or the next

632
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 4: day when you got high pressured it's cold, I would

633
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 4: take the second day if you have to pick one

634
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 4: of the two. But there's no downside to hunting that

635
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: blizzard or that really and that when the front comes through,

636
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: because you'll see some movement then, but generally you can

637
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 4: get out of there easy because of that, you know

638
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: that whatever you call it, the version or whatever the

639
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: weather's creating.

640
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do love those windy nights when you

641
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: can slip out and it feels like you're a little

642
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: bit you're not quite invincible, but you definitely have a

643
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: little bit more of a margin for safety versus the

644
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: perfectly still, perfectly quiet, crunchy where they hear you a

645
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: mile away.

646
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: That's those are deadly I hate.

647
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So on that note in

648
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: this video that I referenced earlier, you had two cautionary notes.

649
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: The second one was that you must have some way

650
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 3: to get out of your hunting locations in the evening

651
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: because of the scenario you just mentioned there, there's all

652
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: these deer out there. How do you get out without

653
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: spooking them? Can you walk me through you know, your

654
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: best options that you currently use or have used to

655
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: be able to exit a late season evening hunt without

656
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: ruining it for the next time.

657
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: Well, I think if you have somebody that can come

658
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 4: in there to spook the deer, that's ideal. And if

659
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: you're in farm country, it's even better. Yet if they're

660
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 4: on a tractor, because for some reason, that rumble of

661
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: attractor and that, you know, just that type of activity

662
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 4: the deer they don't pay an attention to it. I mean,

663
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 4: we started using tractors to access some of our more

664
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 4: sensitive spots, driving right through the middle of farm and

665
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 4: you know, I look at the trail cameras and you

666
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: know we drive through maybe at you know, one o'clock

667
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: in the afternoon to go to the location and then

668
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 4: you come back out after darker course, and the deer

669
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 4: are just minutes behind you when you travel through there

670
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 4: on a tractor, but when you travel through there on

671
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: a four wheelder, you know, it's hours behind you. And

672
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 4: if you travel through there on foot, it can be

673
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: a day or more, you know, before they're back to normal.

674
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 4: So the comparison really leads me to the tractor is

675
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 4: the ideal way to get in and out of sensitive

676
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 4: spots in any kind of ad country, just because of

677
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 4: the comfort that deer have with tractors for whatever reason.

678
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: So that's that would be the very best thing. If

679
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: you had somebody that could jump on a track or

680
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 4: drive out there, drive right up to the blind or

681
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 4: the tree stand or whatever, and you just climb down

682
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 4: and get into it and keep right on going, don't

683
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 4: even turn it off. That that would be the perfect solution.

684
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: The second, if you're like, Okay, it's just me though,

685
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 4: you know, like I don't have this this other person.

686
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: I've never done it, but I've had a number of

687
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 4: people say that if you take like a take a

688
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 4: paint can and you put rocks in it, and you

689
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 4: you know, run a string across the field and you

690
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 4: hang it over a tree branch, and then you know,

691
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 4: the paint can is sitting on the ground and at

692
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 4: the end of legal shooting time, you jerk on that

693
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 4: string a few times and you rattle the rocks around,

694
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: you know, like on the other side of the food

695
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 4: plod other side of the field. Then you know, at

696
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 4: least they're looking in that direction, you know, and they're

697
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 4: not like you could say, well I could do that

698
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 4: at my blind. Well yeah you can, but then they

699
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 4: associate risk with your blind or your tree stand. You

700
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 4: want that spooking to come from somewhere else. Like I

701
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 4: can give you a perfect example that one night we

702
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: hunted a spot and a rabbit came running out of

703
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 4: the cover and it blew the field. And you're like, well,

704
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 4: that rabbit just blew this field. But how bad was that?

705
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 4: When we came back the next night, all the same

706
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 4: deer came out at the same time again, and you know,

707
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 4: I end up shooting one of them. So yeah, you

708
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: blew the field, but it's way different than if you

709
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: blow the field by coump climbing down out of your

710
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: tree stand or or you know, out of your ground blind.

711
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: So I just thought, well, what if you get a

712
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 4: monster truck, like a little remote control monster truck and

713
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 4: you have and I haven't seen one yet it has

714
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 4: like a remote start, or I'd have one and just

715
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 4: leave it in the blind or whatever, you know, and

716
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: you get there and you just run it out to

717
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: the other side of the food plot and it just

718
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 4: sits there, you know, idling or whatever it does. You know,

719
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 4: fire it up and have it come tearing out in there.

720
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 4: I guarantee you they'd they'd be back out an hour

721
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 4: and a half trying to figure out, you know, what

722
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 4: was that rabbit or what was that crazy thing that

723
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 4: came flying out of the brush. Right, So, anyway, the

724
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 4: bottom line is you've got to be creative somehow if

725
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 4: it's just you, or you've got to have a spot

726
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 4: that's so easy, so well screened, where you climb out

727
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 4: of your stand and you're in a ditch. And I've

728
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 4: had spots like that, you know where if it's just you,

729
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: you're not you and a cameraman and all your gear,

730
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 4: you just climb down the back of the tree, you

731
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: get right in behind a row of cedars, or you

732
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 4: get into a ditch or whatever it is and you're

733
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 4: out of there. Maybe it's a creek, you know, something

734
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 4: where you just go slow and quiet and use the

735
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 4: back of the tree and you can get out. That

736
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 4: will work too, but those those setups are pretty rare. Yeah.

737
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 4: So anyway, the point is if they know they're being hunted,

738
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: that's the whole game. If they know they're being hunted,

739
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 4: you can't kill them during the late season. Sometimes you

740
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 4: can during the rut because of what's going on, but

741
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: you can't do it during the late season, and they

742
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: just aren't going to tolerate it.

743
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: What about bikes, e bikes, regular bikes, anything like that.

744
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: I know that doesn't solve your problem of getting out

745
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: of the tree, But what if you can get out

746
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 3: of the tree without deer spooking you, but then you

747
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: know you're going to have to get past some fields

748
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: eventually they have deer would take in a bike through,

749
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: there still be a better option.

750
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. And you want the lights on,

751
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think it's almost like, I

752
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 4: don't know what it is. It's just kind of weird.

753
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 4: They just stand there and watch them go by. You know.

754
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 4: I've I don't have one. I've got a like an

755
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 4: electric four wheeled buggy that we use sometimes and we

756
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 4: generally don't run the lights because we're not going past deer.

757
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 4: You know, we're usually taking you know, like a backtrail

758
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 4: back to the h back to the buildings. But I

759
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 4: think if you got to go past the deer, I

760
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 4: think you just you just go as fast as you

761
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 4: can with the lights on, and I think they would

762
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 4: just watch you go by, like what the heck was that? Yeah,

763
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 4: ideally they can't smell you. I think if they could

764
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: smell you, I think that that would be bad. But

765
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: they don't really know what that is. No, it's not

766
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 4: like that's something that they see every day. I don't

767
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 4: think they're going to hold it. They're not going to

768
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 4: see it as Oh, I understand that danger. You know

769
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 4: that's a risk. I'm not going back there again. I

770
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 4: think it's more like that was weird. I just ran

771
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: away from something. But what the heck was?

772
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gotta be gotta be less bad than two

773
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: legged human form that they know is the most yeah

774
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: way way.

775
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

776
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: So, I know you've done some creative sleepover type situations

777
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: in the past. I know you did that in the timber.

778
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: I know you've done that in some blinds in the past,

779
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 3: like during the rut.

780
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: Maybe is there ever a situation.

781
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: In the late season where you have or you would

782
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: consider sleeping overnight and waiting till they clear out in

783
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: the morning and then going note.

784
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 4: Well, you could, but you better have a really effective

785
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 4: way to sleep comfortable. And you know that bunker that

786
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 4: we put in and if you ever saw that one,

787
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 4: but it was a well insulated camper shell that Carson

788
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 4: and I put back in the woods, and we hunted

789
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 4: there one time this season. I figured we'd hunt there

790
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: a bunch, but I would say it was in the

791
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 4: twenties that night, and it was so warm in that

792
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: bunker that we almost didn't need sleeping bags. Wow. So

793
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 4: I think that would be the key if you're going

794
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 4: to do that makes sense. Ground lines are super cold

795
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 4: to sleep in because let's say it's ten degrees out.

796
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 4: The air going underneath the blind is ten degrees, So

797
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: you're sleeping on something that's maybe a couple inches away.

798
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: You know, if you've got some insulation, it's ten degrees.

799
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 4: But if you're on the ground, and let's say you're

800
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: in a little building, or maybe you're even just in

801
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 4: a bibi sack for Heaven's sake to scrape all the

802
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 4: snow away, now the ground's probably thirty degrees, you know,

803
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 4: and then as you lay on and it kind of

804
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 4: warms up a little bit, maybe gets up to forty

805
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 4: by the time you get up in the morning. Right

806
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 4: underneath where you're sleeping. That's way better than sleeping in

807
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: the blind itself. Sleeping in blinds is really really cold.

808
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 4: I've done it a few times, and if it's cold

809
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 4: at all, that's a miserable time. But the ground is

810
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 4: way better.

811
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: So if you were.

812
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: Is there any situation where you could get away with

813
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 3: running a little like buddy heater or something for periods

814
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: of time to toast you up if you were going

815
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 3: to do the blind thing? Or would would just having

816
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 3: that kind of I guess that's no different than humans.

817
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think they're like the implication.

818
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 4: Floor the floor is just too cold. Yeah, it's just miserable.

819
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 4: It's sort of like when I started sleeping out. People

820
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 4: always say, why don't you get in those portal ledges

821
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 4: like the rock climbers use, you know, and just stay

822
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 4: right in your tree. You'll pull it out of your pack,

823
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 4: set it up, stay right there, climb into and climb

824
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 4: back out before daylight and you're in your tree. Well,

825
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 4: two things, two reasons against that. One is just spreading

826
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 4: a lot of scent because now the wind is blowing

827
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 4: through there and carrying your scent a long ways down wind.

828
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: The other one is you're always going to be whatever

829
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 4: the temperature of the air is, that's always going to

830
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: be what you're sleeping against. So if you climb down

831
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 4: and you got a little babysack in a you know,

832
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 4: minus thirty degree sleeping bag or whatever, and you scrape

833
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 4: the leaves away and you're sleeping right at the base

834
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: of the tree, it's warm and cozy, you know, and

835
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: bivysack is going to you know, if it's nylon, you know,

836
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 4: it's pretty much scent containing. The wind blows over the

837
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: top of it, the dude don't really pick up much

838
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 4: older down wind of view. You kind of get away

839
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 4: with you know, almost like cheating. It's think about me.

840
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 4: I know, you do some elkhunting. Everybody thinks about Spike

841
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 4: camping out and they think, oh, yeah, Spike camping out.

842
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 4: That's cool. Yeah, But all of a sudden you try

843
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: that with white tails and they think you're crazy. It's

844
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 4: no different. Yeah. The good point.

845
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 3: What you know, here's the flip side of this whole conversation.

846
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: This side of the conversation. How to get out in

847
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: the evening. That's what all the attention gets put on,

848
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 3: right for late seasons.

849
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: How do you get out? How do you get out?

850
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: How do you get out?

851
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 3: A lot of times folks forget that it's not easy

852
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 3: to get in sometimes for evening hunts, you know, deer

853
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 3: are betting much closer to the food sources more often

854
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: this time of year. There's not as much visual cover

855
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: as there used to be. Everything seems to be louder.

856
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: How do you especially like where you hunt now, where

857
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 3: you have these great big bluffs and hills over top

858
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,959
Speaker 3: of all your fields, How how do you think about

859
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: getting in for those evening hunts without spooking deer?

860
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: Ideally you have top access where you're only hunting stuff

861
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 4: on top, and you can come in from the top

862
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 4: when you have to. When it's all bottom access, that's

863
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 4: really tough because especially if there's snow, because the deer

864
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 4: can hear it a lot better. Because of the snow,

865
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 4: you don't get that muffling effect like you do with

866
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 4: a bunch of vegetation and leaves and stuff. But the

867
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: other thing is they can, in theory see you better.

868
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 4: And I did a quick study on that and just

869
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 4: went around one winter when we were doing TSI and

870
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 4: just went to every deer bet I can find and

871
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 4: just dropped down into it, you know, put my head

872
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 4: out about the height where a deer's head would be.

873
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 4: There's only about ten to twenty percent of them that

874
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 4: can see anything. They don't just bed where they can see.

875
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: I think they bed where they have a wind advantage

876
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 4: coming in from behind them. But it's not like I'm

877
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 4: sitting here where I can see everything below me. But

878
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: there are a percentage of them that are bedded in

879
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 4: those spots, you know. So it's just it's not easy.

880
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 4: I mean, like I said, the snow camo is better

881
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 4: for that. Ideally, you would have some kind of away

882
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 4: like a ditch or you know, some cedar trees or

883
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 4: standing crop, or to sneak through. I mean, if you

884
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 4: can sneak through you know, standing cornfield and get to

885
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 4: the tree stand on the other end of it, I mean,

886
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 4: that's that's pretty fool proof. But when you're just wide

887
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 4: open walking across a cattle pasture, it's like good luck.

888
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 4: You better hope that the deer that you're hunting isn't

889
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: near or isn't bettered where it can see, because when

890
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 4: the first one jumps up and runs off, the rest

891
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: of them go too. It's it's a Yeah, access is huge,

892
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 4: you know in those situations.

893
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, And sometimes in those scenarios, I know, people like

894
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: to get a ride in, right, someone drives them in

895
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: on the tractor or the truck and drops you off,

896
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: and then they drive back out, and then the ideas

897
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: that the deer feel okay, the same the danger left.

898
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: I've had sometimes where I've tried that in the late

899
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 3: season and it just they're they're just even spookier because

900
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: it's laceys and so open. I've seen like just herds

901
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: of deer just go tearing off even when a truck

902
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 3: or something this drives back there. Would you ever do

903
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: something that late season or have you seen the same thing?

904
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 4: I think again, a tractor might be okay, but you

905
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 4: need to do it early. You can't like two hours before,

906
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: you know, you'd you'd have to go in late morning

907
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 4: or mid morning even and give the deer plenty of

908
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: time to readjust and come back because they aren't definitely

909
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: afraid of tractors. They're definitely afraid of four wheelers sometimes,

910
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 4: and they can be definitely afraid of trucks, but they

911
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 4: aren't definitely afraid of tractors. So in theory, you could

912
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 4: pull it off because they would start drifting back again

913
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: if they don't have any other options. If they've got

914
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: to the places the feed, they're probably not going to

915
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 4: come back. They'll just you know, shift their attention to

916
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 4: a different spot regardless because now they run in a

917
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 4: different direction. And you know why bothered even come back.

918
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 4: But I've definitely seen it when it gets really cold

919
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 4: and the deer get really in that panic state where

920
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 4: they're going to come back. So yeah, we know that

921
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 4: they they aren't going to come if they know you're

922
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 4: if something's messed up. So anyway, the point is it's

923
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 4: just late season. You've got to be really really good

924
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 4: at your game, or you've got to have a really

925
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 4: really good setup because everything's in the deer's advantage by

926
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 4: the late season.

927
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 3: So I've got just a handful more specific questions about

928
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: kind of those little details, those little things you need

929
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: to have dialed or be creative with. And one of

930
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: those is just when you're actually in the blind or

931
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 3: in your stand again, everything seems elevated. It seems like

932
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 3: stuff's louder, it seems like your movements are easier to catch.

933
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: Those deer are just in general so much more wired

934
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 3: than they were three months ago.

935
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: Real quick.

936
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: Are there any little tricks of the trade you've picked

937
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 3: up over the years to help deal with either the

938
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: sound or site issues that we have this time of year?

939
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 4: Start hunting with a muzzleoder? Yeah? No, And seriously, that's

940
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 4: what you see a lot of people do. They switch

941
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 4: over to the gun, but there aren't any shortcuts. It's

942
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 4: just a brutally hard time to kill the deer with

943
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 4: the bow unless you've got to really, really good setup.

944
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 4: And you know, I don't say that lightly because I've

945
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 4: been doing it for so long and I've tried to

946
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 4: hunt late season for I think the past thirty six seasons,

947
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 4: and the amount of successes that I've had are pretty small.

948
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 4: I've had a lot of close calls, and I've had

949
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 4: some fun hunts, but you're gonna get a lot of

950
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 4: you know, seventy yard encounters and then you think, oh, man, tomorrow,

951
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 4: I got it. Well, when you leave, he spooked three

952
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,479
Speaker 4: dos on the fringe of the plot that you didn't

953
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 4: know were there. And then you come back the next

954
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 4: night and you know, four fawns and a spike buck

955
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 4: come out. It's just unforgiving, very unforgiving, and that's why

956
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 4: that first hunt has to be so bulletproof. And they

957
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 4: generally if it's a concentrated area where you feel like, okay,

958
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 4: I can get the deer tight, I got them bottled,

959
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 4: those spots generally don't last until the late season the

960
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: food's gone. Ters you're hunting bigger areas, like maybe it

961
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 4: was a four acre cornfield or a two acre you

962
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 4: know whatever, where you're hunting in the back corner of

963
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 4: a commercial agg field. And now the deer don't have

964
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 4: excuse me, they don't have any motivation to use the

965
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 4: same exact trail. They might come to the same spot

966
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 4: in the end, out in the middle and whatever it is,

967
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 4: but they come from different directions every night. So yeah,

968
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 4: you can be in the game and feel pretty good

969
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 4: about it, you know, but it's really hard to be

970
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 4: right there on that spot. Does that make sense?

971
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've lived that way too many times.

972
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: That's where that's why the gun is a great equalizer,

973
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 4: you know, for the people who have got their butt

974
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 4: kicked all both seasons. It's like, give me the muzzle,

975
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 4: oder I'm going to go, you know, get a little

976
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: revenge here. And you see that a lot and I

977
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 4: don't blame those people one bit.

978
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm one of them most deers.

979
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: Is there any late season scenario in which you would

980
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 3: try a morning hunt, and if so, how do you

981
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: pull that off?

982
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 4: Well, I think it could have been good still, because

983
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: like on my cameras right now, there's a lot of

984
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 4: running activities still on my cameras, and the bucks are

985
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 4: still fighting almost every night. Now, I'd say they're more

986
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 4: more focused on just interacting and jacking around than they

987
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 4: are on feeding. They feed, but then they go chase

988
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 4: a dough off, and then they come back and feed,

989
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 4: and then they fight with another buck for ten minutes

990
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: and then they leave. Then you maybe pick them up

991
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 4: on another camera quarter of a mile away doing the

992
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 4: same exact thing on another plot. So I think they're

993
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 4: still pretending like it's the rut, you know, whether there's

994
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 4: some funds that are still coming into estros, so whatever

995
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 4: the case may be, I don't think the rut finishes

996
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 4: up as early as people think it does, you know,

997
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: I think it rolls clear into the early part of December,

998
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 4: you know, up until now. Still, I mean, these bucks

999
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 4: on my cameras are still acting running and I'm not

1000
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 4: saying that all the same funnels that you hunted during

1001
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,959
Speaker 4: the rut when they were going from the doughbating area

1002
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 4: to doughbating area, But those are still going to be good.

1003
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 4: But I think there's more random movement going on back

1004
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 4: in the timber than what people think. Still, so that

1005
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 4: that's the one thing that has surprised me over the

1006
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 4: past few years is really that understanding that the run

1007
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 4: their behavior, they're running type behavior lasts longer than what

1008
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 4: we think it does.

1009
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: So you're saying, like, if you have a spot that

1010
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 3: you could get into safely for morning hunts in those

1011
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: types of transition morning zones, it could be worth it,

1012
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: at least for the first half.

1013
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 4: I think. I think if you've got any kind of

1014
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 4: an evening pattern that's working out or makes sense, you

1015
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 4: stay away from where those deer might be betted. But

1016
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 4: there's nothing that says that a morning hunt won't work.

1017
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 4: Morning hunts step morning hunts definitely will work. It's just

1018
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 4: usually so cold, and you're so focused on those evening

1019
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 4: feeding areas that you don't really think too much about it,

1020
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 4: and you're you don't want to take that risk of saying, well,

1021
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 4: I know that the deer better here, and they're feeding

1022
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 4: over here, maybe I can snuggle in next to where

1023
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 4: in they're bedded and catch them in the morning. Like

1024
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 4: you're almost like, you know, whatever you say cheating Peter

1025
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: to pay Paul or whatever, you know, where you're pulling

1026
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 4: away from one or the other. But if you've got

1027
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 4: options where you can say, Okay, i could get my

1028
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 4: money unts over here, but I've got my potential evening

1029
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 4: pattern that I'm waiting on for those pieces to click

1030
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 4: over here, then then it probably makes sense.

1031
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, calling in the late season, especially when you're

1032
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 3: bow hunting, is there ever a scenario you would try calling?

1033
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 4: I can't. It's shocking. I wish I could just send you.

1034
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 4: I looked at all my photos this morning, and I'll

1035
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 4: bet you on every single place where I had a camera,

1036
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 4: the bucks were fighting, wow, fighting, and it just went

1037
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 4: it was like they I don't know if they were

1038
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 4: technically fighting. I think they were probably still and just

1039
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 4: jacking around, you know, but it'd be like this buck

1040
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 4: was over here messing around with this buck, and then

1041
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 4: you know, five minutes later he was messing around with

1042
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 4: a different buck, and then a couple of minutes later,

1043
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 4: get two other Bucks in there. You know. It's almost

1044
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 4: like if two bucks get together anywhere, they feel like

1045
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 4: they got to, you know, see who's the man. So

1046
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 4: I think rattling would work, you know, and they it does.

1047
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 4: Even on camera, you can see it does attract some

1048
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: attention because you'll see two bucks fighting in one corner

1049
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 4: of the plot, and then a couple of frames later,

1050
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: you'll see the other bucks from the other corner coming over,

1051
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 4: you know, to see like, hey, what's going on over here.

1052
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 4: So I don't think it's the same as during the

1053
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 4: rut when the bucks are fighting over does and they

1054
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 4: understand that, hey, there's a dough there. Because these two

1055
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: bucks are fighting, it's more like, yeah, maybe I'm the man.

1056
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 4: You know. These guys are over here acting like tough guys,

1057
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 4: but hey, I better go over there and show them that,

1058
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 4: you know, I'm the man in this area. So it's

1059
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 4: almost like a little dominance thing because all of a sudden,

1060
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 4: you mash them all back together again, you know in

1061
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 4: the big mixer, where during the rut they were kind

1062
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 4: of scattered around, and but now they're like more concentrated

1063
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 4: and they're just trying to figure it out again. It's

1064
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 4: almost comical to watch what they do on these plans.

1065
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 4: So I think you could battle, you know, I really do.

1066
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 3: How late do you think you would consider that? Is

1067
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 3: there an expiration date or do you think you could

1068
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 3: clear on through the late season?

1069
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1070
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: All the way through.

1071
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 4: I think. I think as long as they're carrying antlers,

1072
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 4: I think you could rattle. I really do. And I

1073
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 4: don't do it because I don't like rattling to begin with.

1074
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 4: I just don't like messing with antlers. But I think

1075
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 4: if I don't see any downside to that because of

1076
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 4: what I'm seeing on my cameras and the way these

1077
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 4: deer behave.

1078
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: So in the same kind of vein, then have you

1079
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 3: ever thought or tried a decoy for late season?

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00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 4: You know? And there's again, I'm a very like simple hunter.

1081
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 4: I don't use sense. I don't do a lot of calling.

1082
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 4: I've ever used decoys. I just like the whole game

1083
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 4: of like being almost like getting the deer on his turn.

1084
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 4: You know, it may not be the most effective way

1085
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 4: to do it. But the thing I had two things

1086
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 4: I don't like about decoying. One, I don't like carrying

1087
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 4: them because now you got to get them in. You

1088
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 4: got to get them out. So at the end of

1089
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: legal shooting time, how am I going to go get

1090
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 4: that decoy out of this field because there's probably deer

1091
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 4: there are going to be coming in or whatever. The

1092
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,479
Speaker 4: other thing is. If the does come out first, then

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00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 4: you know, I've had some bad experiences with you does

1094
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: not really liking the decoy. So I think in a

1095
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 4: really specific situation where maybe the only deer you're going

1096
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 4: to see is a couple of bucks that you're hunting

1097
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 4: and then you cut the decoy out there, it might

1098
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 4: be just fine. But on a really large scale, late

1099
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 4: season set up, excuse me, where you've got multiple deer

1100
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 4: coming into an area to feed, I don't think it

1101
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 4: would be good. I just think there's too many eyes

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00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 4: and there's too many things working against the decoy not

1103
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 4: spooking deer, and you also have to get it out

1104
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 4: of there at the end of legal shooting time. And

1105
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 4: you know, if you have that person that drives up

1106
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 4: to the you know, the edge of the plot or

1107
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 4: the edge of the field or wherever you're sitting, and

1108
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 4: they spook the deer off, then yeah, you can run

1109
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 4: out there and grab it. I don't know, they probably

1110
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 4: work it's sort of like sense people ask me secon

1111
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 4: questions and I don't know the answer because I just

1112
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 4: don't use them.

1113
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a tough one. I feel like the same way.

1114
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: It's really intriguing. I'd be interested. I think maybe it

1115
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 3: could work. But do I really want to take the

1116
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 3: risk to blow my.

1117
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: Thing out to try it? I don't know.

1118
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, last question? What if we are just

1119
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: trying to kill does and a bunch of them. It's

1120
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: late season. We need to do our dough management. We

1121
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: know we need to take some of these antler list

1122
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 3: deer off the landscape. What's your advice for most effectively

1123
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 3: having late season dough hunting success and not ruining it

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00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 3: all the first night?

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00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 4: Oh, for sure, you got to have a gun and

1126
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 4: you got to stay back, because we've had some unbelievable

1127
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 4: evenings of killing does in feeding areas when it's really cold. It's,

1128
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 4: like I said, they're almost suicideal because they don't know

1129
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 4: where that comes from. You shoot the first one, you

1130
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 4: don't running out there and grab her and drag her off.

1131
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 4: You just reload your gun and you don't move, and

1132
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 4: you don't you know the ones that were out there

1133
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 4: with her. They ran about fifty yards and now their

1134
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 4: standard back trying to figure out what happened. It's like thunder,

1135
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 4: you know, it's just a sound, you know, And then

1136
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 4: they start working their way back again because I really

1137
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 4: want that, you know, whatever it is that they're going

1138
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 4: to feed on. I killed five one night on one

1139
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 4: food plot with a muzzleloader. Yeah. And it's unique because

1140
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 4: these dere aren't getting a lot of pressure, so it's

1141
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 4: not like there's a bunch of people running around out

1142
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 4: there but guns all the time, So it's kind of situational.

1143
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 4: But if you can stay back, all they hear is

1144
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 4: this rumble and a deer either falls or runs the

1145
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 4: little ways and then falls. They don't really know for

1146
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 4: sure what that was. It's it's uh, that's the way

1147
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 4: to do it, you know, you got to shoot him

1148
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 4: with guns.

1149
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's certainly a.

1150
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 3: Fun way if you don't have a mature buck to

1151
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 3: go after the late season. Once I switched to Domode,

1152
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: it instantly makes the hunts so much more fun, all

1153
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 3: of a sudden, high target environment. I love that shift

1154
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 3: in headspace.

1155
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 4: Well it's easy too, because now you can stay back.

1156
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 4: All of these issues we're talking about kind of go

1157
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 4: away when you're one hundred and fifty yards away. Yeah,

1158
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 4: you know you're not sitting right on the edge of

1159
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 4: the bow range of everything.

1160
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 3: It's a it's a pretty great way to end the year,

1161
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 3: So you can't complain about that. Well, Bill, last thing,

1162
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 3: where can folks catch your latest videos connect with you?

1163
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 3: If there's anything else people should be checking out right now,

1164
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: where can they find it?

1165
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 4: The only thing that I'm really doing consistently is the

1166
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 4: Bill Winki YouTube channel, and we're uploading to that quite

1167
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 4: a bit, so that's h and I try to be

1168
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 4: as responsive as I can. People have questions, you know,

1169
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 4: in the comments section. Sometimes you get the stupid stuff

1170
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 4: like you're aware of, but you know, ninety plus percent

1171
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 4: of our viewers are there for the right reasons, so

1172
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 4: you get some pretty interesting dialogues going on. It's almost

1173
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 4: like a little mini forum where people can, you know,

1174
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 4: ask questions and either other viewers can try to answer them,

1175
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,479
Speaker 4: I can try to answer them. So that's the best

1176
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 4: way right now to catch up with me.

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Speaker 3: Perfect Well, thank you Bill for this. Thanks for decades

1178
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 3: now of helpful articles and videos and help. As I've

1179
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 3: told you before, you've been a huge influence on me

1180
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 3: and my hunting over the years, and so many other people.

1181
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you, thank you.

1182
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I appreciate that. The only thing I didn't

1183
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 4: like about that was the decades.

1184
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, Bill.

1185
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 4: Much, you be like a handful of years. We could

1186
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 4: go back thirty years.

1187
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: Well, it's getting it's getting scary. I'm approaching almost two

1188
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: decades of doing this stuff too. The time is just

1189
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 3: going by crazy fast.

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00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: So I guess what we're stilling.

1191
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 4: And I appreciate all that you do too. You're a

1192
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 4: great spokesman for the hunting industry and for the sport.

1193
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 4: So thank you very much for the work that you do.

1194
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 4: I'm sure that you don't get many things. It's pretty

1195
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 4: unheralded the efforts that you're putting forward, but you're doing

1196
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 4: a lot more than most people give you credit for.

1197
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate you saying that, Bill, thank you. Let's

1198
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: do it against so let's chest check again soon.

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Speaker 4: Sounds good.

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01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 3: You have a good day, all right, And that is

1201
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 3: going to do it for another late season episode of

1202
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 3: the Wired to Hunt podcast. I appreciate you tuning in

1203
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 3: all this season. It's been a fun ride. As I mentioned,

1204
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: on Rock Fresh Radio. If you haven't listened to that

1205
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: one yet this week, go back and listen to that.

1206
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 2: I detailed some of the fun.

1207
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 3: Hunts I've been having with my son, and hopefully my

1208
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 3: second SOL will be coming out hear of me soon.

1209
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: We've got some good late season weather that we're.

1210
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: Hoping to take advantage of as well, so enjoy.

1211
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: We've got pretty great conditions the coming days, so take

1212
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 3: advantage of those.

1213
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: Enjoy these remaining

1214
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 3: Days and weeks at the season, and until next time,

1215
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 3: stay wired to hunt.