WEBVTT - Mike Tyson 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.000 You know, one of the best things that ever happened 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:04.880 to me is that my mother died. Why was that? 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.720 Because my mother would have bade me babies me. It's 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:09.760 no way I would have ever gotten to this chief fights, 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.000 no way I would have ever been learned to stand 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.760 up for myself all my life. The running all my life, 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:20.360 sacri fice, hustle back rising, Want a slice? Got the 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.080 bron dice to swap all my life? I've been grinding 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.760 all my life, all my life, the running all my life, sacrifice, 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.880 hustle back prices, Want a slice? Got the dice to 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:36.960 swap all my life? I've been running in all my life. Hello, 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.120 welcome to another edition of Club Sha Shay. I am 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.159 your whole Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Shasha. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.400 And one of the reasons that I have a podcast 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:46.680 that I love doing a podcast is because of things 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.800 like this. The guy that's stopping by for a drinking conversation. 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.440 Maybe a smoke, but we're indoors and we're not allowed 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:56.040 to smoke. Once was considered the baddest man on the planet. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:00.800 He the youngest heavyweight boxing champ, Iron Mike Tyson, Mike 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:05.600 how we're doing I'm doing good. Let's talk about your podcast. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:11.720 You have a podcast called Hot Boxing. Yes, what type 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:13.280 of guests do you have on and what do you 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:17.280 talk about? I have any kind of guests in the 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.240 world who's willing to come on, and it's wide open, 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:24.919 wide open, so you talk about anything anything. You also 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.480 have a cannabis company. Now, let me ask you this 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.200 when you were fighting? Did you smoke marijuana when you 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:35.319 were fighting? Only at the end of my career, okay, 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.839 last the last two years of my career, faves. So 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:44.240 did you ever think marijuana would be so embraced like 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.520 it is now? And did you think Mike Tyson would 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:51.360 one day own a cannabis company? I knew anything as possible, 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.440 and I know like I know now, I know cannabis 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:59.720 and TVD is the future, right, you can't avoid it. 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:05.000 So had you known the benefits that you can get 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.880 from marijuana, would you have smoked earlier in your career? 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.679 I always kneed the benefits, but it was just illegal. 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.679 It was just illegal. So at no point in time 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.160 could you so even in the off season, you couldn't 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.799 part take in marijuana. I can I understand, like getting 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.600 ready for a fight. But let's just say in between fights, 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:28.560 you know, when my mind is cut off, is cut off. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.680 I don't want it at all. If anything I love, 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.239 like my m anything, it becomes my enemy. I don't 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:40.919 want to see it. You're buck. That's how I got 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.040 over the lead thing. But then I started smoking again 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.840 back and I think, what eighty seven ninety seven? Right? 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.480 So once you got back into it, it was harder 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:51.960 for you to say, no, I don't want to do 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:57.760 this anymore. I hadn't stopped anymore. You couldn't stop, or 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.280 you didn't want to stop, or had you lost go ahead. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.200 I didn't stop. There's no way I was gonna stop it. 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.600 I'm a totally different person without it than I am 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.560 with it. I've heard you say that the person that 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.160 you are now sometimes you don't like that person because 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.560 this person that you are now makes you feel weak. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.280 Do you believe that you could have been a champion 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:27.480 boxer back then if you were this person now? No? No, 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:32.280 i'n this person. My My biggest ascess is all my 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:39.160 flaws without my flaws. I'm not saying really absolutely. So 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.160 back then you were so you you had a singular focus. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.320 You wanted to be heavyweight champion of the world. But 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.000 also the things that made you great made you a 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:52.640 very flawed individual. Well, there's not wrong with being flawed. 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.240 There's only only things wrong with that if you don't 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:01.960 know your flawed at the time. Did you know your flaws? Absolutely? 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.480 You know your flows when you're born with them. You 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.040 can't hide something, you can't run something them. What do 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.120 you think was your biggest flaw? What do you think 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:20.240 your biggest flaw was just not training, not taking it 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:26.359 serious anymore? But so that was that was in the beginning. 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.920 You took it serious because I saw the documentary with 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:30.839 you and cuss when you're up in the cat skills, 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.920 going to the Olympics, becoming the youngest You don't become that, Mike, 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:39.000 if you're not serious, if you're not training. But listen 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.559 to them, I was beating guys so easy. I didn't 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.279 have to train. I was beating them. I wasn't taking 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:51.760 a serious and those are bad habits. So do you 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.400 think if if you had lost earlier in your career, 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:56.960 do you think it would have helped you become a 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:01.080 better fighter. It was no way I was gonna ever 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:07.599 lose early in my career. Why I was just some 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.040 I was out. Hey, I was all defined by God. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:17.880 It wasn't gonna happen. Jamie Fox is set to portray 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:21.120 your character in a limited series called Tyson. Is that 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:25.520 project still set to go. Hey, I don't know anything 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:30.560 about any pictures and stuff. I'm just I'm enjoying the 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:38.360 moments I have Now. Is Mike Tyson misunderstood? I think 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:42.800 we all are. Nobody knows who we are, Nobody knows 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.680 our shadows, nobody know anything about our collective consciousness of 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:51.120 uncollective because no one knows anything about anyone. What is it? 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:55.320 I think, well, what is the best, biggest misconception that 0:05:55.440 --> 0:06:00.520 people have about Mike Tyson? I never knew they had one. 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.640 So the person that we see or the person that 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.680 we think we know that's who you are. I can 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.040 another be that person because I actually don't know who 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.159 I am. If I knew who I was, I would 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.159 be a very limited thinking person at this stage of 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:20.120 my life. If you tell me, at fifty five years old, 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:24.040 I know who I am, you don't know how it happened. Tomorrow. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.760 I know it's not gonna go any higher than that. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.000 This is who I am. Okay, maybe we don't know 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.360 the future, but I think I would like to think 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.679 at fifty five years of age, you have a better 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.960 understanding who Mike Tyson is then say when you were fifteen, 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:42.280 Say when you were twenty five or forty, or when 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.360 I was sick, when I become sixty. We all change 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:49.440 in stages of our life. Do you like the person 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.960 that you're changing into? Because obviously you say you're different 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.440 at twenty than you weren't thirty, than you weren't forty, 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.880 and you're fifty five. So do you like the evolution 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:02.599 of Mike Tyson? Well, it isn't over yet. Mike Tyson 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.760 is gonna be Mike Tyson. It's not that I'm leveling 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.320 of something. I just sam, But you're constantly evolving. Would 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:13.640 you agree we have to that's him and nature? Yeah, 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.200 of course I am. But do you I know some 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.160 people of changing into things they don't like, they don't 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.640 like what they're becoming. It seems to me that in 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.600 the beginning you didn't like who that person was, but 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.360 you seem to be more at peace with who this 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:35.280 person is. I would say that's true. What I was 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.200 some of the documentary and I found your documentary very 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.040 fascinating because I think a lot of our childhood shapes 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.320 who inevitably we become as adults, sometimes for the goods, 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.240 sometimes for the bad. Do you think if you'd had 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.440 a two parent household, a mom and dad, brother and 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.160 a sister, loving family, you could have became the heavyweight 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:59.160 champion of the world. You know what, Mrs Sharp? You 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.000 know one of the best things that ever happened to 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.320 me is that my mother died. Why was that? Because 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.520 because my mother would have bade me babies me, It's 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.480 no way I would have ever gotten to the chief fight, 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:11.800 No way I would have ever been learned to stand 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:16.080 up for myself. But what but what? Well, here's the thing, though, Mike, 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.360 when your mom wasn't around me, you probably wasn't still 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.880 going to encounter some of the people that you had 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.800 to stand up and protect yourself against. But it was 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:30.200 ordained by guard for me to deal with that. I don't. 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.480 I don't navigate my life. You think I think I 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.800 navigate my life to be in a heavyweight champion. No, 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.800 I don't do that. That's God. Let me ask your question. 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.360 It seems to me now, Mike, you're you're you're very 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:46.560 devout in your faith. When did you become like this? Listen, 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.360 when you get around fifty one citty two, you start 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:57.080 you start to begin a better relationship with God. Okay, 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:02.200 because your expiration data's coming up, who said it is? 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.480 It might not? You might live another fifty one years, 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.640 A fifty two years. That's not happening. How do you 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.800 know you hold on? You just told me earlier that 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.360 it's ordained by God. You don't know that's what you 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.640 told me earlier. I'm gonna be no. One hundred and 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.000 fifty years though that's not gonna happen. What about a 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:25.079 hundred Anything is possible, but I'm not gonna one hundred 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.200 and fifty years. When did you realize that you you 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:35.000 could become heavyweight champion? When I was fourteen and so 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.559 what made you think you become you could become heavyweight 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.480 champion of the world. Well, I had a great mentor, 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.160 and he always told me he's to have me do affirmation. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.480 So it seems to me, Mike, You're like, at a 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.319 young age, you were easily convinced. He could have probably 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.839 told you could fly on space ship and he was like, Okay, 0:09:52.840 --> 0:10:00.079 I'll fly on space ship abred percent. So so okay, 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:04.920 at fourteen because conbistion or you start boxing he combition, 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.600 you can become heavyweight champion of the world. I start 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:12.640 winning the national championship, I started breaking knockout records, and 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.440 I went to the I lost to the to the 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.800 Olympic gold medal and the box office, box office in Texas, 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.080 and then eventually I became heavyweight chan Once I turned 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.320 in through, my whole life started changing. Started beating everybody, 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:31.439 beating him, yes, viciously, and then everything has changed and 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.960 I became champions. So you were supposed to go to 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:39.240 the eighty four Olympics. I'm I correct, Yes, and that 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.120 was arguably the greatest team. Yes, sweet Pee Whitaker, Mildred Taylor, 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:50.600 credible team in mortals man, Yes, the best, Yes, I 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.439 think that, if I'm not mistaken. I think they won 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.319 nine goals or the twelve that was contested. I think 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:59.720 they won a silver at lebronze. Man, Listen, they were 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.439 playing around. Let's take the current state of the heavyweight division. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.160 Let's just say I take a prime Mike Tyson, what 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.480 do you say your prime your prime age was? How 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.680 old were you when you say Mike Tyson is at 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:15.760 his absolute apex twenty two. Okay, Mike Tyson at twenty 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:21.240 two years of age? How does Mike Tyson beat Tyson Fury? 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.320 That would be tough. But you know there was guys 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.679 that dropped him that was lighter than me. What was 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:33.280 the gentleman that dropped him? Then? With that black guy? Yes, yes, yes, 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.280 the form of crusueight champ so and he's not a 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.640 harder puncher than I am. So I'm able to hurt 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.400 the big guys, right, but you gotta get inside to 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.600 get him. He's six foot nine and a half with 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:52.800 a tremendous reach. How does Mike Tyson get inside? I'll 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.200 try my best and do whatever I know how to do. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.000 Let me ask you a question. Let's just say you're 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:03.560 a boxing trainer and the bronze bomber comes to you 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.880 and say, man, look here, I need one more crack 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:10.640 at Tyson Fury. I need you to train me to 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:15.200 beat this man. How do you do it? Going with 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.400 your jab? He has to go all out for twelve 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.400 rounds with him. Can't give him no room the punch. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.520 He has to go all out the twelve rounds with him. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.520 He can't give him no time by moving around, can't 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.960 allow him to think. He allows Tyson theory to think 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.480 a right right, give him a lot of Let me 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.160 ask you question. Is it because he got into the 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.920 game so late that he's looking to load up with 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.280 that one punch? But like the boxes that came from 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.360 an amateur's background, they understand, Okay, I gotta stick the jab, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.480 I gotta stick the jab. But it seems to me 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:51.160 he's just looking to land that one overhand right to 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.120 turn the lights out of the party. But most of 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.920 the guys that he's fighting are not very elusive, so 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.600 it's easy to hit him. So he's very confident when 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.959 he hits him, he's gonna knocks them out right. Are 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.680 you are you surprised that the fights went the way 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:12.600 they went. I'm always entertainment. Those guys fight, I think 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.199 table while they should fight some other guys too. He'll 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.719 be doing he'll do good man. I ain't on him. 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:20.760 I ain't don't want him to get discouraged. He should 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.320 be very happy to be ready to fight somebody else 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.480 right away. So would you think do you think it'll 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.440 be a better fight between Deonte Water and Josh and 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.440 Anthony Joshua. I would love to see that fight. Yes, 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.160 because both both guys, both guys are are heavy punchers. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.600 I think Joshua, they gonna singing, They're gonna be winging. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.600 They ain't gonna be much style, They're gonna be winging. 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.000 What about this, this this new thing that's fighting? Were 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.760 and you protecting one of them? But you guys will 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.720 fighting uh Roy Jones Junior and yourself? What was your 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.720 thought process going into that fight? Were you trying to 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.960 could you? Could you? Were you trying to knock Royal? No? 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.320 I would never try to note for it. But we're exparting, 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.880 we're fighting. But the thing as we started a new 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.120 general Now we got guys like Logan Paul doing it right. 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.080 So what do you think about that? What do you 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:19.000 think about Logan Paul? I think Logan Paul is a 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.720 big shot in the arm for boxing. No boxing never 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.640 brought that many people to the network. Like I'm Logan 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.200 Paul dead and I think he's good for boxing. He 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.160 brings money to boxing. But don't you want to see 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.080 him fight like a fighter and not fight ex football players, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.320 ex basketball players, x MLA guys. I mean to give 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.920 it credibility. Mike, he's gonna have to fight someone in 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.760 that genre. I think he should too. But these guys 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.800 a very so emotional. They want to fight him so 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.320 so bad they could get They either train fighting right 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.320 right so, and he's gonna make them believe that they 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.920 could really beat this guy because he's white with blonde 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.200 their blue eye. I'm gonna kill them. And then they 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.400 go on the ring and then something different happens. Yeah, 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.760 what different happens is that they get touched. You. You had, 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.680 you had the famous you had the famous saying. Everybody 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.080 has a plan until they get hit. Everybody says, I'm 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.280 gonna do this. I'm gonna bob, I'm gonna weave, I'm 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.600 gonna faint. And then he catches me like, hold on, 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:23.440 wait a minute, that didn't happen. They're sleeping. They're sleeping, 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.040 and I'm looking at guys and I give the one assignment. 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.880 Do not become a mean Mike. How did they let 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.960 the man put them face down in the on the canvas. 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.760 Ain't listen that happens in fighting. I don't care how 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.520 good you are, how great you are, if that don't 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.120 happen to you at some time, in your career, then 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:50.240 you're not really a fighter. Are you surprised that obviously 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.640 you were? You were the biggest name in boxing and 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.800 you made a lot of money. Are you surprised that 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.160 the guys are not as active as you? I mean 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.360 you fought one year. I think you fought like thirteen 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:04.160 fourteen fights in a year. Guys fight now once a year, 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:09.600 maybe once every sixteen months. That's really bad for boxing 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.960 because Boxton's entertainment right in the name of the game. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.280 You want the fans say, when am I gonna see 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:19.120 that guy fight again? Right? Until you get it, until 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.000 you happen like that. You're not gonna make the take 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.320 perse state until it's until the time comes for the 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:29.800 guy like I was. Spence is known to a house fight, 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.640 take it house like a maid, right if they know 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.800 that's whe they know he made it. Well. The thing 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.480 with you, Mike, is that you were willing to fight. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.440 You will fight a Holy Field, You fight a Razor Ruddick, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.560 You fought Bruce Seldon, you fought Frank Bruno. I actually 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.400 saw the Frank Bruno fight that you fought, Uh, the 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.480 second Frank Bruno fight. These guys now seem to be 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:56.200 more concerned with undefeated as opposed to fighting. Earl Spence 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.160 supposed to fight Bud Crawford. I'm tired of you fighting 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:04.040 over here and you fighting over there, fight each other, listen. 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.439 And I'm not able gonna say anything disrespectful about fighting. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.800 But some people they have enough tried to say, listen, 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.800 I want to go on the tour being the best 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.120 fighter in the world who wants to fight me? Right. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.040 But the difference is, Mike, is that you was willing 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.959 to fight, and you were willing to put undefeated on 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.560 the line. But let me ask you this, let me 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.679 take it from this approach. If I say, Mike, you 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:34.120 can fight John John Johnson and make forty million, or 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:38.359 you can fight the number one contender and fight forty million, 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.600 or the number fifteen contender and make forty million. Which 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:46.399 one You're gonna choose this one? And so that, Mike, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.560 that's what we're seeing. That's what's happening with boxing. We 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:52.640 want to see the best fight the best, and we're 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.680 in the eighties haggling. Couldn't Dark hearns, hearns, couldn't Dark Letter, 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:03.119 he couldn't have Dark the rain Dog. I ran Barkley, Yeah, listen, 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:08.240 he had four ft durand lost to Duran. Maybe Durant 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.760 quit give a to fight Timmy Herns. He went up 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.679 then wait, won the Junior motherweight championship, came back and 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.120 then be Timmy home. Tommy Hernson unified to walked away. Yeah, 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.840 that's bad ass. And you look at the seventies when 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.840 the big heavyweight kid Norton, George far Him and Joe Frazier, 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:30.680 Muhammad Ali. There was no ducking. You couldn't duck anybody 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.800 to fight you in six weeks after one fight six 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.360 weeks later to fight you again. Yes, so why why 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.240 can't do You think that's one of the reasons that 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.320 boxing is losing some of his peel appeal. And we 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:46.280 get guys that are YouTubers go fight YouTubers to take 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.760 because they're exciting. They're more exciting more so than they 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.199 can't fight. But they're more exciting, right than the fighters. 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.879 Fighters are not fighting competitive fighters. They fighting guys that 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.159 they're walking over. So you want to, you want to. 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.520 You would like to see Earl Spence Junior and Bud 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.359 Crawford fight, absolutely, And I want to see Errol Spence 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.880 go up to one hundred and fifty four and fight 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.600 Cello brother too. These guys can't be These guys gotta 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.520 want to be immortal. I wanted to be immortal. I 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.159 want the world and know my name to the end 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.800 of the time. But I don't look at life. But 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.240 it seems to me guys want to Guys want to 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.440 get the big payday, but they don't want to fight 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.320 the other big pay day fighters. They want to try 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:28.560 to pick and choose and duck and dodge. It's like 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:33.320 I worried about I worried about Undefeated. These guys are 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.040 not making that much money because they're not fighting those guys. 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.040 Right These guys are not making five four million dollars 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.800 and three jim and they're not making that much money 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.360 because they're not fighting the right guy. Let me ask 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.840 you a question, who do you think powder for powder 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:52.880 is the best fighter right now? Wow, that's tough. There's 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.560 a couple of them out there. You have to go 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.359 with Canello, but there's still something to young up to 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:00.920 come in light with. I don't look almost on his 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.880 way out. They got some other guy. And what better 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.480 VT is he's a great fighter coming up. He'll be 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.200 a great man. There's so many great fighters out there, man, 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.960 But that's one thing. They had great fighters out there. 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.199 But who do you think? Do you think there's anyone 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.960 out there right now that can beat Canelo? Because he's 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.000 gone from one fifty four to one fifty to one 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:23.920 fifty eight. He basically wiped out three four divisions. It's 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.240 some new guys out there that the young man David 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:31.240 bena Vide I call him the Manster. He's tough. I 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.359 would love to see him Canelo fight him. You think 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:40.119 that fighter happened? God willing man. If it doesn't happen, 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:44.240 it'll be an it'll be a shame of boxing. What 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:48.199 about if Canelo fight wanted Charlotte Brothers. That will be 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.720 a very interesting fight too. So that makes a lot 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.200 of m that he's a big money fights you're talking about, right, 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.400 But I thought that's what you get, don't you get into? Obviously, 0:20:58.400 --> 0:20:59.840 you want to make a name for yourself, you want 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:01.520 to go out of the the all time great. But I 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:06.200 thought it the objective in a sport is to make money, exactly. 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:09.000 And know what, these guys hang around like their buddies. 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.120 It's either your buddy and fights. You help me make 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:14.600 some money. But here is the thing though I got, 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.280 I got. I'm unblemished on my resume, though he might 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.240 put a blemish on my resume. And then you're gonna 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.960 look at me different and say I'm not the best. No, 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.600 and then you become better. You become a better champion, 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:30.160 become a better fighter. Life is about loss. As time 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.239 goes off, the times go on, we lose everything. We 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:35.919 lose our hair, we lose our teeth, and eventually we 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:39.600 lose our life. Life is all about loss. What la 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.639 mess you this? What do you think is the number 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:44.439 one skill that a box for needs to be to 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:52.359 be successful? The desire to win? That's it. That's so 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.000 you need to desire to will to win. If you do, 0:21:56.040 --> 0:22:01.840 you believe that was your best attribute? Yes, So what 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.440 about what about the right hook to the body and 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.040 the upper cut the combo? Nobody's been able to throw 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:12.879 that point like you, Mike, Well, I'm very I don't know. 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:15.720 Like you say, fighting the spirit, it comes up my spirit? 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:17.200 How did you? How did you? How did you learn 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:19.679 that punch? Because I've never seen anybody, I've never seen 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.159 anybody put that punch together like you put it together. 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:27.560 I meant to cuss their model taught me, well, it 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.120 seemed like you was trying to get you was trying 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:31.360 to put that punch on Roy. But Roy just every 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:33.119 time you got close, he grabbed you. Roy said you 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.919 would not gonna put that that that upper cut on 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:41.280 his mama child. But he's treaty smart. He knows how 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.000 to avoid punches and punishing it very well. Let me 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.919 ask you a question. Is there another celebrity match that 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:50.679 you would like to part take in? I don't know. 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:54.880 It's a possibility. People keep asking me, but it's a possibility. Yeah, 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:57.200 And you said the money. It's a lot of money 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:02.520 in it. It truly is. Let's see you know what 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.879 I mean? They like will Mike, Let that sink in 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.240 for a second. You're about to be fifty five years 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.080 of age and people still want to see you fight 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.240 at fifty five, as opposed to the guys that's in 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:16.680 the early twenties, mid the late twenties. They'd rather see 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.200 you fight than see them. Doesn't that say something about 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:23.240 the sport, Mike, that's that's only a boy the graces God, brother, 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:25.560 I have nothing to do with me to spoil you, 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:27.639