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Speaker 2: Don't you agree? Five five dollars?

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Speaker 3: This is a radual level.

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Speaker 2: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life verable.

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Speaker 1: Humans need fantasy to be.

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Speaker 4: My goodness, I'm mista, nice, prone, the best, relentless, refusing

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Speaker 4: What is up?

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Speaker 2: Everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex podcast from the Action Network.

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Speaker 2: In Fantasy Abs, I'm your host, Chris Raybaon. In our

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Speaker 2: last episode, we got into some of our early positional

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Speaker 2: ranks at running back and wide receiver for Bestball.

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Speaker 3: Today, you're gonna do the.

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Speaker 2: Same quarterbacks and tight and back with me. One of

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Speaker 2: the top fantasy football rankers in the game, year in,

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Speaker 2: year out, weekly, season long, even of NFL Draft Box,

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Speaker 2: the ads maker Sean Kerner, Sean, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Happy to?

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Speaker 4: I was going to say happy to talk about the

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Speaker 4: onesie positions, But in best Ball, we're really drafting two

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Speaker 4: or three of these guys at quarterback and tight end

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Speaker 4: and quarterback, you know, stacking a couple or a few

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Speaker 4: pass catchers with them. So yeah, these are very very

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Speaker 4: important positions in Bestball. And I love the fact that

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Speaker 4: we're kind of dig a little deeper in these we're

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Speaker 4: drafting tight ends you know, in the twenties and thirties

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Speaker 4: even in some cases in these drafts. So yeah, always

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Speaker 4: fun to, you know, get the initial ranks done for

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Speaker 4: these positions as well.

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Speaker 3: All right, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's a guy who's listed at quarterback

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Speaker 2: who might play him tight end and not his name

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Speaker 2: start with quarterback Sean who you high on at QB

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm high on JJ McCarthy at QB twenty is

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Speaker 4: where he's being drafted right now. I have him QB seventeen.

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Speaker 4: But this is basically McCarthy's rookie year. You know, he

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Speaker 4: missed the entire twenty twenty four season with the tor meniscus,

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Speaker 4: week one. And last year, you know, I was I

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Speaker 4: was projecting him to maybe sit the first four to

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Speaker 4: five games behind Sam Donald. It was kind of a

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Speaker 4: murky situation. And then once you know, McCarthy went down,

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Speaker 4: I was hyping Sam Donald up as you know, a

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Speaker 4: so now McCarthy is stepping into that same exact situation

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Speaker 4: with probably even more upside than Sam Donald my opinion.

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Speaker 4: And we saw McCarthy flash. He played what one preseason

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Speaker 4: game last year. He looked excellent. He had one hundred

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Speaker 4: but you know the injury, so he was getting quite

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Speaker 4: kind of cool down. So he's QB twenty. I think

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Speaker 4: we're getting a steal here. And this is just an

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Speaker 4: excellent system for any quarterback, especially young one. I mean

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Speaker 4: Sam Darnold had a career last year in Kevin O'Connell's scheme.

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Speaker 4: So I love the setup for JJ he has one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's might QB thirteen.

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Speaker 2: I was actually surprised seeing Matt high, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: Who else you got, uh yeah, my other one? Uh,

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Speaker 4: which we love that for fantasy. But just once again,

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean they came in and just pretty much gutted

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Speaker 3: Just yeah, you gotta hope the line. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: So that that is a positive for for them this year.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully he rebounds in uh. Nick Haley's offense. A

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Speaker 2: I gotta mention both quarterbacks on the Seahawks. Jalon Milroll.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you know, we talked about him pre draft.

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Speaker 2: if and Trevor Lawrence his numbers underwhelming kind of like

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, it's just I mean, I think you gotta

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Speaker 3: What about quarterbacks you are low on for twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: Five, Yeah, I'm low on Jordan Love, who's being drafted

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Speaker 1: So just Love. When it comes to, you know, best ball,

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned CJ.

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Speaker 3: Capital on him? I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: and he is getting a quarterback up Greade at least

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00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 2: we hope. So I'll take my chances with o'conquo just

435
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: because he's kind of dropped it to the bottom. And

436
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: I really like the talent, really like player, really like

437
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: the underlying metrics, has some explosiveness to him. I could

438
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 2: see him, you know, he's one of those guys kind

439
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 2: of like a John new Smith, Like Johona Smith popped

440
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: off last year and he's like, oh, that's not super

441
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 2: surprising and surprising how ate in his career it was,

442
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: but he always knew he kind of had that type

443
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 2: of talent. Oconko is another guy that has that type

444
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: of talent. I don't I'm not saying he's gonna do

445
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: jann of Smith things, but yeah, I'm just saying that

446
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 2: he does have some some explosion to him and he

447
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 2: can move him around a little bit.

448
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, I like him at tight end.

449
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 2: And then got to mention Elijah Royo, second round pick

450
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: out of the U eighty fifty percent tiles. He just again,

451
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 2: these these Seahawks are really targeting fast guys, and you

452
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 2: know it's it's you got a new oc No offense

453
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: didn't really do too much last year, but they seem

454
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: to really be I mean, to spend a second round

455
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: pick on a tight end when you had Fan, you

456
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: had Barner there, it tells you that they were looking

457
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 2: for more disposition. So I wouldn't be surprised if he

458
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 2: ends up jumping everybody and being that top tight end

459
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: and if you know Cooper Cup maybe if he's washed,

460
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a

461
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 2: one of the one of the uh, you know, top

462
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: targets on the team after JSN. So I really like

463
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,239
Speaker 2: his upside. I think again, he's going outside the top

464
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: twenty four. He's at around tight end thirty one or

465
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 2: thirty two, So that's the tight end three. Just taking

466
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 2: a shot here, and you might end up striking gold

467
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: in year one because that's uh, you know, these kind

468
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: of pass catching types. The learning curve is not as

469
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 2: crazy as it's been in years past because now they

470
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: don't you know, they don't have to line up and

471
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: block quite as much, and the league's kind of shifted more.

472
00:23:59,080 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: So.

473
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think i'm royo.

474
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: His just his talent just kind of sticks out, and

475
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,719
Speaker 2: the fact that they they went ahead and drafted him

476
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: even though the other guys in the depth trot. I

477
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: think he's worth a dark All right, let's go to guy.

478
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: We're both low on the same guy, so I'll let you.

479
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 3: Let you take it away.

480
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hate this, but I'm low on Tyler Warren.

481
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 4: You know, he's a guy I'm high on long term.

482
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 4: I actually got him in round two of my Dynasty Draft,

483
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 4: which feels like a steal. So I think he could

484
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 4: be a tight end one for years to come. But

485
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 4: I think it's just gonna be tricky for him his

486
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 4: rookie season. I think landing and indeed gives him a

487
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 4: very high floor on a weekly basis, because you know,

488
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 4: this depth chart is one of the worst in the league.

489
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 4: So he's going to be the starting tight end from

490
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 4: day one. He's not going to be like Coulson Lovelin

491
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 4: where you know, he still has cole Comet to deal with.

492
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 4: So I think, you know, Warren's gonna have a high floor.

493
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 4: I'm just worried his weekly ceiling is just not going

494
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 4: to be high enough to be, you know, being he's

495
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 4: being drafted as the tight end nine because you know,

496
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson probably gonna start Week one, and he's just

497
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 4: not a guy that offers a ton of volume. You know,

498
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 4: his completion prop a lot of times last year was

499
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 4: thirteen and a half, which is ridiculous, and you know

500
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 4: some of those completions are going to Michael Pittman, Josh Downs, Peter,

501
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 4: Alec Pierce.

502
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: Occasionally Peers.

503
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, Alec.

504
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 4: Pierce gets an eighty r touchdown, the drives over, Tyler

505
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 4: Warren can't get any receptions anymore on that drive.

506
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: It's over.

507
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 4: The drive's over, and they're going to lean on Jonathan

508
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 4: Taylor's legs. Anthony Richardson's going to run the ball when

509
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: he's not throwing incomplete passes. So this is kind of

510
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 4: a mess where yeah, he might get three catches a game,

511
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 4: but he just doesn't have the path till like a

512
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 4: brock Bowers, Sam Laporta, you know, record breaking rookie season.

513
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 4: I think Colson Loveland does have that kind of path,

514
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 4: So I'm taking Loveland before Warren, and Warren's still being

515
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 4: drafted ahead of him even after the draft. So this

516
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: is just a case where the landing spot's bad for

517
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: year one, but who knows, two three years down the road,

518
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 4: you know, Warren could be a top five tight end.

519
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that's not the case. But plus, when

520
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 4: it comes to projecting the culture right now, let's say

521
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 4: you know Richardson miss his time or he's benched. It's

522
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones replacing him, who you know will be a

523
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 4: slight upgrade, but still that's not just a ton of volume.

524
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 4: Now going to the pass catchers the way that Joe

525
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 4: Flacco was last year, I mean that was like a

526
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 4: sixty passing yard difference in terms of projected passing yard.

527
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 4: So I don't think we're gonna get that much of

528
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 4: a boost with Daniel Jones either. So just Warren might

529
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 4: need two to three pass catchers to get hurt and

530
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones to take over, and even then he might

531
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 4: not have top five upside. So this is just a

532
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 4: case where I think the rookie hype is a little

533
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 4: bit overblown in this situation. I remember a lot of

534
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 4: time thinking last year, you know, Marvin Harris and Junior

535
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 4: was an excellent receiver, but he was being his ADP

536
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 4: was like top ten, right and yeah right, and we

537
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 4: were kind of projecting him as like an elite rookie

538
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 4: receiver and we couldn't even come close to that. So

539
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of these rookies are being

540
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 4: drafted way too high. And I think in Warren's case,

541
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 4: I'm okay kind of planting my flag here and saying

542
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 4: he should not be going inside the top ten. If anything,

543
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 4: give me, if there's a rookie tight end a draft

544
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 4: inside the top ten, it should be Coulson Lovelin, not

545
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 4: Tyler Warren.

546
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

547
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: I mean, and this is one where listen, you know,

548
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: we don't know how these things are going to turn

549
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: out at the end of the day, but we can.

550
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 3: I think there's a decent chance.

551
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: We're looking back and it looks in hindsight even more

552
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: obvious because you had the red flag of the whole process.

553
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: It sounded like Warren was that te one and then

554
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson, the most renowned offensive mind, you know, on

555
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: the market for his new squad, decides to go with

556
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: a different tight end in Quoston Loveland. And then the

557
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: team that's just been starting Anthony Richardson and his non completions,

558
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 2: and and the and the mo Ali Will Mallory. Uh

559
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: what's uh Andrew Oval Tree, Kylon Granson, Uh quartet, Like

560
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: that's the team that like, like you know what I mean,

561
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: like that the red flags are plentiful with uh with Warren. Now,

562
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: the talent you know, may outdo some of it. But yeah,

563
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: it's tough because just because the volume, regardless of who

564
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: is throwing the ball, you're expecting like two hundred and

565
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: ten passing yards. So it's uh, it's and then and

566
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: you know, downs in Pittman or no swouch. And I

567
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: know Pittman was hurt last year. He may be healthier.

568
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: So and then Pierce, if he catches deep balls, it's

569
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: you know, like you said, So there's just a lot

570
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: working against him and they and they I think they

571
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: just resigned Moawi Cox too. So get great, I'll get

572
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: his usual twenty thirty.

573
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: Are we projecting Jelanni Woods for catch this here? Or no?

574
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: I have him.

575
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: I can actually tell y'all looking right at the gold.

576
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: I have Gilannie Wood projected for one catches.

577
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: There you go, Okay, so I'll take the under. But yeah,

578
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 4: going back, like remember the twenty twenty three draft, Michael

579
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: Mayer was the consensus number one tight end, uh, and

580
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: people were kind of giving the lion shit. Why would

581
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 4: you take Samuel Port over Michael Mayor. I'm not saying

582
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: Tyler Warren is going to be that situation, but nobody

583
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 4: talks about Michael Mayor anymore. Just the tight end position,

584
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 4: it really does depend on the landing spot.

585
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: Like the scheme.

586
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 4: Everything kind of sets up the tight end for success,

587
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 4: and you know, real life and fantasy and just this

588
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 4: situation is just not really setting up Warren up for success,

589
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: even if you think he is the best tight end.

590
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: It's just not lot a good situation for fancy.

591
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, who knows if it's I mean,

592
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: the more games Anthony Richardson starts, probably the less good

593
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: I feel about Warren because I feel like Richardson's better,

594
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: you know, going downfield, those kind of throws to Alan

595
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: Pearson whatnot.

596
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't I want to.

597
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: I want somebody to just be feeding Tyler Warren, and

598
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: I know he'll probably get you know some he carries

599
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: and different things and sales team those schemes stuff up

600
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: for him. But yeah, it's out of like the coach,

601
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: I just have them circle. There's not an ideal landing

602
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: spot for a tight end. And of course they were

603
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: the team most likely you know, the draft one. So yeah, yeah,

604
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm higher on Loveland as well. He's the

605
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: guy I would expect to return startable and like you said,

606
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: potentially even you know, top three value in year one.

607
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: I think the like, I think that's much much less

608
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: likely for Tylan Warren.

609
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,560
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00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,520
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