WEBVTT - Playing Catch-Up: Katy Grimes Talks to A&G

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<v Speaker 1>There is no one who said Federman did a good

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<v Speaker 1>job last night. It was awful. However, the big question

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<v Speaker 1>remains how much is it going to hurt him. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we're in this new era of politics where nothing matters.

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<v Speaker 1>Were so tribal. We just want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>the guy, has Britt said, can sit on the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>floor and raise his hand for your your team. That

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<v Speaker 1>is right. That's Moralison from NPR. She was on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday saying, we are in a new era of politics

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<v Speaker 1>where nothing matters. That is true. Did my team get

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<v Speaker 1>more people than your team? Character doesn't matter according to polls,

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<v Speaker 1>Health doesn't matter according to polls. Just do I get

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<v Speaker 1>more people from my team? That's just the era we're in.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk a little California politics and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of you don't live in California, but California is about

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<v Speaker 1>to be the fourth biggest economy in the world. One

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<v Speaker 1>out of eight Americans live in California, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>the governor is going to try to become president of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. There's a lot of things that happened

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<v Speaker 1>in California spread across the country. We're gonna talk with

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<v Speaker 1>Katie Grimes she's the editor of the California Globe, longtime

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<v Speaker 1>investigative journalists covering the California state capital, and the co

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<v Speaker 1>author of California's War against Donald Trump? Who Wins, Who Loses? Katie,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Armstrong and Getty Show. Good morning, Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you before we get into something probably of more important. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just looking at this whole drag queen pumpkin

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<v Speaker 1>carving thing that Senator Winner's havan over the weekend. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>what what is that? What is the obsession with pushing

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<v Speaker 1>drag queens into everything all the time? But anyway, so

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<v Speaker 1>it says for for families, which I assume means kids

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<v Speaker 1>have Also, if you want to take your kid to

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<v Speaker 1>a pumpkin carving judged by drag queens, go ahead. But

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know why drag queens have to get

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<v Speaker 1>shoved into every event. Now, Yeah, you ask such a

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<v Speaker 1>good question. I think, uh, millions of California parents want

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<v Speaker 1>to know this as well. Um, every every event. Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Wiener holds and Senator Weener for those who aren't familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with him, he is a San Francisco UH state senator. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>He is openly gay. He most of his legislation surrounds

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<v Speaker 1>um the gay community in the state. Uh. So for him,

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<v Speaker 1>this is just normal. I think what he wants is

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<v Speaker 1>to make it normal for everybody else. Ye, well, good

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<v Speaker 1>luck with that. That in San Francisco is its own thing,

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<v Speaker 1>even in California for California as a whole. And we've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about this mostly using your article, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is damned interesting because well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>you think Gavin Newsom is gonna run for president, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I too, so um So that's why this becomes an

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<v Speaker 1>issue for you wherever you live, because I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a decent chance he's the Democratic nominee running for residing

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<v Speaker 1>it's Trump or de Santist or whoever, and he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to tout all the amazing things he did in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of California, including how the test scores for California

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<v Speaker 1>kids were better during the pandemic than all other states,

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<v Speaker 1>including Florida. How is that dishonest, Katie Grimes? Oh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>so dishonest. Um. First of all, we were one of

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<v Speaker 1>the states that was locked down the longest. So our

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<v Speaker 1>kids and you have kids, no, fully, well, uh that

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<v Speaker 1>the kids were out of out of you in person school,

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<v Speaker 1>so the learning loss parents could see day by day,

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<v Speaker 1>month by month. Um what's so interesting about the actual

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<v Speaker 1>um UH test, the national testing that he's talking about

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<v Speaker 1>is he is trying to compare California students to the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the country on learning loss when that's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not what the national testing was for in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>He should be talking about California kids and their actual

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<v Speaker 1>test scores. And it was actually more important that is

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<v Speaker 1>that the kids went into COVID already the worst test

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<v Speaker 1>scores in the country. UM. So two thousand nineteen, our

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<v Speaker 1>kids were, you know, half the kids could barely read,

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<v Speaker 1>a third of them weren't even competent in math, and

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<v Speaker 1>so then you pile on top of that the lockdowns.

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<v Speaker 1>But the and and the distance learning, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>where I was trying to go with us. Um So

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<v Speaker 1>the new national assessment tests, which our state did try

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<v Speaker 1>to keep secret. They wanted to cover this up until

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<v Speaker 1>after the midterm election, which is another story in and

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<v Speaker 1>of itself. UM. But these did come out, and they

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<v Speaker 1>show that California's kids aren't doing well compared to other

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<v Speaker 1>states kids. But we should be more concerned with our

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<v Speaker 1>own kids test scores and they are abominable. Um. What

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<v Speaker 1>this showed is that white students dropped from a math

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<v Speaker 1>proficiency of only forty percent in the state to thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four percent proficiency. African American students dropped from only ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent math proficiency to seven percent, Hispanic students dropped from

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<v Speaker 1>only fiftcent math proficiency to eleven percent, and low income

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<v Speaker 1>kids that the schools measure if they're eligible for the

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<v Speaker 1>school lunch program, their scores dropped from an already low

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen percent to eleven percent. So I think, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it was horrific to begin with, as you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I said they were already low. Now they are outrageously bad,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to take years to play catch up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm amazed that those those numbers from before weren't a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger headline that we were all talking about all the time. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just you can't have half your kids are more

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<v Speaker 1>not meeting the already not very high standards. Exactly. What

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<v Speaker 1>was also bad is before COVID in two thousand, nineteen, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>white students reading proficiency was only at forty five percent

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<v Speaker 1>in the state, African Americans ten percent, Hispanic nineteen percent,

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<v Speaker 1>Low income students were only reading proficiency at eighteen percent.

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<v Speaker 1>So these were really really bad numbers to begin with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and then obviously locking them down, we're seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>devastating effects. I know there's a long road between here

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<v Speaker 1>and presidential election and a lot of twists and turns

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<v Speaker 1>and and uh and and people's names we've never even

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<v Speaker 1>heard of that are going to decide to run, that

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<v Speaker 1>could become rock stars, all that sort of stuff. But

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that would be great about a Gavin Newsome

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<v Speaker 1>Rhonda Santis race is I think it would really end

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<v Speaker 1>up being a national debate over two very different views

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<v Speaker 1>of how to run your politics, your schools, your businesses,

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<v Speaker 1>your your culture, war, your everything. And uh, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be fun to have that torn apart at a very uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, intricate level all those different topics. Yeah, certainly would. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>What's interesting is, I think my next book needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be California's War against Rhonda Santism, because that's certainly where

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<v Speaker 1>our governor has his laser focus these days. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think you know that shows us he's truly running for president. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but you are right, uh. And and as you and

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<v Speaker 1>Joe talk about um our our politics, in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States kind of almost being tribal. Were the Republican tribe

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<v Speaker 1>or were the Democrat tribe? And that's all we care about? Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me. I gotta do the the statistic of the

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<v Speaker 1>day today that I keep repeating because it's just so

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<v Speaker 1>freaking amazing. Um uh NBC News poll percentage of Americans

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<v Speaker 1>who say the opposite party's agenda poses a threat that,

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<v Speaker 1>if not stopped, will quote destroy America as we know it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's eight for Democrats and eight for Republicans. So

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<v Speaker 1>four out of five of everybody thinks the other party

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<v Speaker 1>is out to destroy America. Well, if that's what you believe. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>politics get pretty, first of all, the front and center

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<v Speaker 1>in our lives, and secondly pretty vicious. Yeah they do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what would make a DeSantis Newsome race

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<v Speaker 1>in in being observed in such a granular fashion as

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<v Speaker 1>we would do. Certainly, I don't the mainstream media would

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<v Speaker 1>certainly root for Newsome, um, but I think it would

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<v Speaker 1>really show the country what's at stake, um, without being

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my guys good, your guys bad. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think these things that we're talking about right now,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, our our students test scores. Um. You know, homelessness,

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<v Speaker 1>Florida versus California, crime Florida versity of California. It would

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<v Speaker 1>really be a fascinating UM breakdown. Here's my guests. You

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<v Speaker 1>tell me whether you think this is right. And I

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<v Speaker 1>just think that Gavin Newsom has been surrounded by people.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is the mayor of San Francisco. He's been surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by people so far his direction for so long. He

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<v Speaker 1>really is out of touch with mainstream America. There aren't

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<v Speaker 1>near as many people in the country that want to

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<v Speaker 1>uh pay for flying somebody in front of abortion or

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<v Speaker 1>give healthcare to illegals as he thinks you are absolutely right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I've been covering him a long time. He

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<v Speaker 1>has been groomed by the San Francisco political cabal now

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<v Speaker 1>for years for this. He thinks he's the heir apparent. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He is not well liked in the state capitol. I

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<v Speaker 1>will tell you that the Democrats don't like him and

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans don't like him. He's very imperious and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>ask you why don't the Democrats in California like Gavin Newsom?

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<v Speaker 1>He won't work with them. He issues edicts and orders

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<v Speaker 1>and sends his staff to deal with them instead of,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, give the devil his due. Jerry Brown would

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<v Speaker 1>sit down and hash out a budget with the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>and Republicans when the Republicans were allowed in the room. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but he would he would meet with um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the leaders of both parties, of both houses. He was

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<v Speaker 1>extremely accessible and so this legislature was used to that.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, Gavin Newsom is kind of ruling from the

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<v Speaker 1>Ivory tower. Well, you mentioned Willie Brown, which reminded me

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<v Speaker 1>of Kamala Harris, for better or worse. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>is what is their relationship between Gavin and Kamala Because

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a couple of reporters on today we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how like two days after the election, because we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have a day of results and then races on with

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<v Speaker 1>the expectation that Biden won't run again, and Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 1>is a vice president but nobody so does Gavin run

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<v Speaker 1>against her? What's their relationship? You know, I think their

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<v Speaker 1>relationship is certainly in the media, it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just friendly, you know, local rivals. I don't think any

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<v Speaker 1>of these folks from San Francisco have a good relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with anybody else. They all want power and control and

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<v Speaker 1>that's always their primary motive. Obviously, Kamala Harris showed us

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<v Speaker 1>she would get there by any means necessary. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>that'll be something if you end up having the California

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<v Speaker 1>government governor in a former California senator really vying for

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<v Speaker 1>the Tom top spot there and how the go at

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<v Speaker 1>each other. Um uh, Katie Grimes, we appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 1>We really love your columns. We read you all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>we quote you all the time. Thanks for coming on

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<v Speaker 1>the show today. Appreciate it. Thanks very much. Jeff Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>and Jetty