Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the It Girl podcast. I am
Speaker 1: here with Ava.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming your first podcast. Yes,
Speaker 1: we are so honored to be your first.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having.
Speaker 1: Me diving right in. You've grown up online in a
Speaker 1: very visible way. Do you feel like people know you
Speaker 1: or online versions of you?
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a good question.
Speaker 1: And what's your relationship like with your audience?
Speaker 2: That is really a good question. I do think that
Speaker 2: doing YouTube and starting on YouTube, I was able to
Speaker 2: develop such a strong relationship with my audience, and I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm very much myself on YouTube and like
Speaker 2: more unfiltered, and I love the platform because you really
Speaker 2: do have the space to be yourself and to share
Speaker 2: all sorts of parts of your life and of yourself.
Speaker 2: But of course, like it's mediated because it's edited, and
Speaker 2: like online isn't real life. So I do feel that
Speaker 2: I have a really strong relationship with my online community.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. I think about this a lot,
Speaker 2: like do people really know you as a person if
Speaker 2: they've never met you and aren't close to you. I
Speaker 2: don't think so, but I think it's still like a
Speaker 2: comforting kind of relationship. Do you How do you say.
Speaker 1: Parasocial on some level, like on a level they don't
Speaker 1: really know you, but you feel like your YouTube is
Speaker 1: an honest representation of you and who you are.
Speaker 2: I think so. But I also think I've always been
Speaker 2: very good at keeping good, strict boundaries with my private
Speaker 2: life because I recognize that not everyone that's in my
Speaker 2: life wants to be online and wants their stuff to
Speaker 2: be shared. So that was one thing I strug struggled
Speaker 2: is maybe a bit of a big word, but that
Speaker 2: was harder when I started YouTube because it took off
Speaker 2: really quickly, and I was so young and didn't really understand,
Speaker 2: like I wasn't able to conceptualize numbers, and even to
Speaker 2: this day, I don't think I really do in the
Speaker 2: sense of, like this many people are watching and have
Speaker 2: insight into your life, and so I would, you know,
Speaker 2: be vlogging in my house during COVID with my family
Speaker 2: and putting my sister and my parents online and I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think at that time I didn't really
Speaker 2: understand that I was giving everyone a glimpse into my
Speaker 2: private life. So I think with time I've really learned
Speaker 2: to be more like conscious of that.
Speaker 1: I've heard that from every YouTuber Girly that we've had
Speaker 1: on We've had so many great YouTube a girls and
Speaker 1: girls that started seventeen eighteen, nineteen years old, and everyone
Speaker 1: has said, I didn't realize how much I was putting
Speaker 1: out there, and I didn't realize what those numbers meant
Speaker 1: of how many people were really and not everybody has
Speaker 1: your best interest at heart, So I feel like you
Speaker 1: kind of have to be careful. It's not even so
Speaker 1: much like wanting to hide a version of yourself. It's
Speaker 1: more so like protecting yourself from the people that maybe
Speaker 1: don't wish you as well or for.
Speaker 2: Sure, and I think too, It's just I'm a very
Speaker 2: private person even in real life, Like I have a
Speaker 2: very small circle of really close friends, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: I think I'm a bit protective of that. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've always kind of been that way,
Speaker 2: so which is kind of weird when you think about it,
Speaker 2: because I share so much of my life online, but
Speaker 2: very yeah, I am very particular about like what I share.
Speaker 2: Although I do feel like if you watch my videos,
Speaker 2: you know my vibe and like you know a lot
Speaker 2: about me. I wouldn't say I think that it's possible
Speaker 2: to like know me personally through online, but I don't
Speaker 2: think anyone can really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I completely I very much understand that,
Speaker 1: very very much understand that your content has always had
Speaker 1: a distinct visual language. Where do you think your taste
Speaker 1: comes from and what do you do to hone your taste?
Speaker 2: Well, I grew up with a mom who is also
Speaker 2: like a very like a creative, a creative person. She
Speaker 2: has ceramics, Our house has always been full of colorful
Speaker 2: shapes and stuff that like. Growing up sometimes I was
Speaker 2: like what is this? But I think that it really
Speaker 2: influenced me. Like my bathroom is pink, and you walk
Speaker 2: into my house, yeah, and the entry is pink and
Speaker 2: we have like these bunk, funky sculptures all over the place.
Speaker 2: So that I think growing up around my mom, who's
Speaker 2: always been very eccentric and very herself as very much
Speaker 2: influenced to me, and then my sister too. She's always
Speaker 2: had an eye. We've always like when we've traveled as
Speaker 2: a family, she's always been the one to be taking
Speaker 2: photos and stuff like that, and I think I learned
Speaker 2: a lot from her honing my own taste. I think
Speaker 2: with YouTube exploring the more video format really helped me
Speaker 2: kind of yeah, hone, my taste and like visual I
Speaker 2: don't know if that really makes sense, but learning how
Speaker 2: to see the world in like my own way and
Speaker 2: looking through a camera. Now I feel like sometimes I'm
Speaker 2: walking in the street and it's like sometimes I'm like
Speaker 2: thinking through that lens a little bit, if that makes sense,
Speaker 2: like capturing random stuff that I think is pretty, but
Speaker 2: that other people might be like, what is the purpose
Speaker 2: of this, Like a random rapper in the street, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So yeah, I think through YouTube
Speaker 2: that's really helped me, and then I guess more on
Speaker 2: a style front. In high school, I had a like
Speaker 2: aur group of friends. We would be thrifting like almost weekly,
Speaker 2: going to Value Village and like.
Speaker 1: Oh, shut out, Value Village, Yeah the best.
Speaker 2: I haven't been there too long.
Speaker 1: I don't think they have it here you No, I
Speaker 1: don't think they have it in New York.
Speaker 2: No. I mean they have others, I'm sure, but we'd
Speaker 2: go to this one like near our high school anyways,
Speaker 2: and literally weekly, like shopping all the time was like
Speaker 2: back when it was like three dollars for something, you know.
Speaker 2: I think that really helped me discover my own style
Speaker 2: because I would buy stuff not really knowing if I
Speaker 2: liked it that much, but I would like cut stuff
Speaker 2: up and play around with that. So that really I
Speaker 2: think shaped my style and even to this day, it's
Speaker 2: my favorite way to shop vintage secondhand anything.
Speaker 1: Are you a big Pinterest girl?
Speaker 2: Not for what you would think, okay, like not really
Speaker 2: for style or clothing, but very much so for like
Speaker 2: home design.
Speaker 1: I was going, they're just like food, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm more of like the pretty stuff I don't know,
Speaker 2: like my Instagram for example, the type of carousels I create,
Speaker 2: I think or like a mix, a very lifestyle mix,
Speaker 2: and I think that's where I get in spo on
Speaker 2: Pinterest is like how people capture their everyday things in
Speaker 2: their everyday life, and like nails and makeup stuff that
Speaker 2: I'm really not that good at. So maybe, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know colors, I do love Pinterest.
Speaker 1: What is your biggest source of style inspiration?
Speaker 2: Honestly, my friends. One of my best friends is like
Speaker 2: the best thrifter I've ever met, and she'll always pull
Speaker 2: out these pieces and I'm like, where did you find that?
Speaker 2: And I honestly I'm always borrowing from her and like
Speaker 2: for my birthday. She curated this little thrift package.
Speaker 1: That's such a sweet I guess.
Speaker 2: So so sweet. And I wore one of the pieces
Speaker 2: to like an event in New York back in during
Speaker 2: fashion week, and I swear everyone at the event was like,
Speaker 2: is that door? I was like wearing a random thing
Speaker 2: that she had thrifted from me anyways, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: she's she's talented. So friends. Also, one of my best
Speaker 2: friends is like a Danish stylist and she always has
Speaker 2: the coolest stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm gonna need to follow her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's so cool.
Speaker 1: They're the coolest girls.
Speaker 2: They are, And I think, honestly, I really found my
Speaker 2: style when I was studying abroad in Copenagen three years ago.
Speaker 2: Before that, like yeah, I was a little bit Pinterest inspired,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, and then I went to Denmark,
Speaker 2: where everyone has such insane, insane style. People really play around,
Speaker 2: have fun, and I just had like kind of a
Speaker 2: style awakening.
Speaker 1: It's my next life goal is to do I've done
Speaker 1: Paris Fashion Week, New York Fashion Week, and I want
Speaker 1: to do Copenhagen Fashion Week. Those girls just have it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are just like queen'sick girl. In every way.
Speaker 2: Everyone is so nice too, which I think is a
Speaker 2: big part of being an IT girl. I think so
Speaker 2: too like it for me if you have cool style
Speaker 2: and you're nice and cool to be around, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the best. And everyone I think in Copenhagen is
Speaker 2: like incredibly nice and awesome.
Speaker 1: If we had a slogan, it would be it girls
Speaker 1: are nice girls. Like I say that all all the time.
Speaker 1: It's the number one rule. If people aren't nice, I
Speaker 1: don't post their episodes, I don't like release their street interviews,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Because IT girls are nice girls. They
Speaker 1: need to be nice to other women. So I'm excited.
Speaker 1: That makes me want to go there even more.
Speaker 2: I love that it's very like inclusive, like everyone's welcome
Speaker 2: and I love it.
Speaker 1: And they play with fashion in like just a way
Speaker 1: that's so chic and elegant, Like they just do it
Speaker 1: in a way that's just not tacky in any capacity.
Speaker 1: They just know how to blend and mix and.
Speaker 2: Colorful and like yeah, old, yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 1: Love those girls. Okay, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I could see your Copenhagen fashion inspiration.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: What's inspiring you right now. That has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with social media.
Speaker 2: Ooh, book art, Yeah, yeah, I read a lot. I'm
Speaker 2: reading this book that my dad got me for Christmas.
Speaker 2: It's called Lao je Metie. It's by Caroline Dawson. She's
Speaker 2: like a Quebec quebecer and it's about it's like anecdotal
Speaker 2: about her immigration from Chile to Montreal when she was
Speaker 2: a child. Anyways, it's really really good inspiration. Yeah, all
Speaker 2: the books I read. I feel like books are like
Speaker 2: kind of my main accessory, so like when I'm whatever
Speaker 2: I'm reading kind of like determines my vibe for the
Speaker 2: week or something. Honestly, substock has been so inspiring for
Speaker 2: me lately. I just got on it a couple months ago.
Speaker 2: If I could kind of late to the game a
Speaker 2: little bit, but oh my gosh, my substack is my passion.
Speaker 2: It's so fun.
Speaker 1: I'm like struggling to write because I want everything to
Speaker 1: be so good and I have like such a love
Speaker 1: for it, and I appreciate it so much, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate the community so much because the women are so
Speaker 1: nice and they're so supportive. They will read paragraph after
Speaker 1: paragraph that you write. They will respond like it's such
Speaker 1: a beautiful place for people to like. I just think
Speaker 1: it's a great community.
Speaker 2: I agree, And it feels like people are having conversations.
Speaker 2: It's not just like comments, if that makes sense. So
Speaker 2: it's like more yeah, back and forth. And I'm also
Speaker 2: like trying to get more into writing again since I graduated,
Speaker 2: so I've been enjoying that and like the personal essays
Speaker 2: on substock unbelievable, unbelievable, so many incredible writers with incredible takes,
Speaker 2: Like I read this article a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 2: called everyone wants to be a DJ, but no one
Speaker 2: wants to dance, And I literally think about it all
Speaker 2: the time. But it's about like art and how such
Speaker 2: a big part of art is the audience and it
Speaker 2: just got me thinking so much about like what we
Speaker 2: do too, and how like a huge part of creating
Speaker 2: is I guess, reception, and like creating spaces that feel
Speaker 2: fun to consume media and if that makes sense, and
Speaker 2: like social media sometimes can be so exhausting to consume.
Speaker 2: So yeah, anyways, that's something that really inspired me.
Speaker 1: I think I love Substack. I feel like it is
Speaker 1: the most it is like the elegant, curated side of
Speaker 1: the internet. It is like there is no negativity, and
Speaker 1: if there is, it's an It's productive and it's commentary
Speaker 1: as opposed to like just nasty comment Like it doesn't
Speaker 1: force you to read anything, like you're choosing to read things.
Speaker 1: A lot of it's paid, so you have to like
Speaker 1: really be interested. I am a substack advocate. I love it,
Speaker 1: and I love that it gives women a place to write.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it very intentional, yes, extremely and ever just
Speaker 1: like support it literally, like I said, it's like the
Speaker 1: elegant part of the Internet. It's nothing like the kind
Speaker 1: of comments you read on like a TikTok. I feel
Speaker 1: like YouTube two people are really because it's such a
Speaker 1: lot like if I'm going to watch thirty six minutes
Speaker 1: of your week, I care you know. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: hate watch thirty six minutes. No, somebody will hate watch
Speaker 1: the forty five seconds. So I'll tell you, Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: bag has been online made you more confident or more
Speaker 1: self aware?
Speaker 2: Oh? Great question. I think a little bit of both.
Speaker 2: I think I think I've always been quite self aware,
Speaker 2: like socially anxious and that kind of thing, but being
Speaker 2: online has exacerbated that for sure, where it's just I
Speaker 2: think of my last years of college, especially when most
Speaker 2: of my cohort graduated. I did college in four years
Speaker 2: instead of three, and I couldn't go to campus because
Speaker 2: I felt so self aware and so anxious about that,
Speaker 2: and so that definitely played with confidence, where I just
Speaker 2: felt like too self aware, like it just wasn't good
Speaker 2: for me. And then but that led me to have
Speaker 2: lots of reflections, and I think now I see it
Speaker 2: as having built my confidence in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: maybe through that actually, And I think being in the
Speaker 2: industry and having the opportunity to like go to events
Speaker 2: and stuff on my own has really helped with my confidence,
Speaker 2: especially in the past year. Showing up places on your
Speaker 2: own is terrifying, and now I feel like very good
Speaker 2: doing it. So I think that's through doing that, like
Speaker 2: exiting my comfort zone, which this job has forced me
Speaker 2: to do a lot, I've built my confidence up.
Speaker 1: Event alone is truly my worst nightmare.
Speaker 2: It used to be mine too, but now it's like
Speaker 2: you're going to know someone there, people are nice, like,
Speaker 2: don't fret.
Speaker 1: Do you think confidence can exist when you're constantly being
Speaker 1: perceived or you think you have to kind of remove
Speaker 1: yourself from it.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's like related really to others think
Speaker 2: and being perceived. I think confidence is kind of not
Speaker 2: necessarily innate, but like it shouldn't be influenced by what
Speaker 2: other people think. That's kind of the point, right, Ooh,
Speaker 2: I love that, I think, no, because that's definitely something
Speaker 2: I've struggled with, is like caring so much what people think,
Speaker 2: or like what boys think and stuff like that that
Speaker 2: will like completely affect my confidence and it's like male
Speaker 2: validation or like things like that. And then it's realizing
Speaker 2: actually that should and even be a factor, like confidence
Speaker 2: should come within with knowing that you're doing something cool
Speaker 2: and you're kind to people, and you have something to
Speaker 2: say and something to contribute to conversations, and that you
Speaker 2: show up like with a good attitude.
Speaker 1: That for me makes me fabulous advice. Yeah, fabulous advice.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that is great advice. It's incredibly true,
Speaker 1: and that's great advice. And I'm much older than you
Speaker 1: and I still struggle with it. So I think that's
Speaker 1: I think everyone we all need to hear that.
Speaker 2: We all have our moments. But like that's I try
Speaker 2: to remind myself of that as often as I can.
Speaker 1: I love it. What has surprised you most about being
Speaker 1: in your twenties.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think when you're younger, you think your
Speaker 2: twenties you're going to have it all figured out. I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people say that and think that.
Speaker 2: So what's surprised me, but kind of in a good way,
Speaker 2: I think is realizing that kind of none of us
Speaker 2: have figured out. It feels kind of comforting to see
Speaker 2: my twenties more as like a trial and air time
Speaker 2: of my life and a moment to try things and
Speaker 2: like work hard, put yourself out there. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I always thought that when I was be
Speaker 2: like twenty five, I'd have my whole life figured out,
Speaker 2: But like, I don't think that that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You also have it more together in a career than
Speaker 1: I think most do at twenty three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I still feel I still struggle a lot
Speaker 2: with feeling like what I'm doing is legitimate enough and
Speaker 2: always wanting to like add on to my resume in
Speaker 2: a sense I think to like, yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of pressure from people in my life, like not in
Speaker 2: a bad way necessarily, but to have a plan or like,
Speaker 2: I find it so hard when adults ask me what
Speaker 2: I do, and like often when I answer, it's followed
Speaker 2: by it but like, what about after? Yeah, what's that?
Speaker 2: Like it's just a stepping stone, which it probably is
Speaker 2: in some ways, but yeah, the future is scary to
Speaker 2: think about.
Speaker 1: I think marketing has changed all around, and I think
Speaker 1: no matter what I know, everyone loves the conversation of
Speaker 1: what about when social media goes away?
Speaker 2: Away?
Speaker 1: It's not going away. No, it's not going to go away.
Speaker 1: It's not even if it went away in the sense
Speaker 1: of what we have it as now, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: We're always gonna We know how to communicate online now,
Speaker 1: we know how to express ourselves online. We know how
Speaker 1: to express ourselves to millions of people and communicate with
Speaker 1: millions of people. We're not going to go from that
Speaker 1: level of communication to completely It's never gonna be. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's just us communicating with the local people in our
Speaker 1: town again, it's not going to go back to that.
Speaker 1: We have yea, we have cell phones, we have the Internet,
Speaker 1: Like the Pindor's box has been opened. So even if
Speaker 1: it's not Instagram or TikTok or whatever. There is always
Speaker 1: going to be a level of social media.
Speaker 2: The thing is, like social media is a medium. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's not the end all be all. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you're right that like apps and platforms will probably cycle,
Speaker 2: but it is. It's rat like it's like the same
Speaker 2: as writing, Like writing's not going away tomorrow, you know exactly.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's really about what you do with it
Speaker 2: and what you build on there that matters more so
Speaker 2: than like the platforms.
Speaker 1: I don't like when people try to squash influencers and
Speaker 1: they say, especially girls, when they say, like what's coming after, Well,
Speaker 1: social media won't be around forever. It's like, I know
Speaker 1: she has something that's hers, that she's successful a lot,
Speaker 1: that she's turned into a business. Let her have that.
Speaker 1: What Like, don't if somebody writes a book, you don't go, well,
Speaker 1: what about after? What about when this book goes away?
Speaker 1: You're just going to do nothing. It's like, let me
Speaker 1: enjoy what I've built for myself. And I feel like
Speaker 1: it's also a space where women really thrive and women
Speaker 1: make the most money. So that's why it bothers me
Speaker 1: because I feel like it's just an excuse to discount
Speaker 1: that what is something that matters way less in your
Speaker 1: twenties than you thought it would.
Speaker 2: I think I've been maybe this is like where I'm
Speaker 2: at in my life right now, but like your love life,
Speaker 2: m M, I think I always. I don't know, I always.
Speaker 2: You know, you think of like your twenties as your
Speaker 2: time to like your twenties your time to date around
Speaker 2: and like have fun and stuff. Yeah, I think there's
Speaker 2: like a lot of emphasis on that, and sometimes or
Speaker 2: you feel like a pressure, like oh, I should have
Speaker 2: had a boyfriend by now, or I should have all
Speaker 2: these experiences under my belt.
Speaker 1: I thought i'd be engaged when I left college.
Speaker 2: But okay, I thought I would have met like the
Speaker 2: love of my life by now or all these things.
Speaker 2: So I think that's something I'm kind of realizing right
Speaker 2: now that it.
Speaker 1: Would be the worst thing that ever happened to you.
Speaker 1: I promise you you don't want to be even close
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 2: At this age exactly. So that's maybe like something that
Speaker 2: I think is a bit surprising, because like graduating high school,
Speaker 2: for example, I was away like way in my twenties,
Speaker 2: like I'll have a nice boyfriend and like all that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think changing kind of my my view
Speaker 2: on that where I'm seeing my twenties more so is
Speaker 2: a time to really like develop strong female friendships and
Speaker 2: friendship period, travel, experience things on my own and not
Speaker 2: like in this, not in a relationship where you like
Speaker 2: have to be compromising and stuff, which like I'll get
Speaker 2: there one day obviously, But yeah, I think that's been
Speaker 2: my biggest surprise, and it's like a good one. I'm
Speaker 2: in a moment right now of really enjoying that, like
Speaker 2: enjoying not having it be such a also focus something
Speaker 2: that I'm thinking about all the time, or like working
Speaker 2: towards Oh my gosh, it's really liberating.
Speaker 1: I deeply regret having a boyfriend for so much of
Speaker 1: my twenties. I was in a really long relationship six years,
Speaker 1: and it was such a mistake. No offense to him,
Speaker 1: he's so sweet, but no, I know it was such
Speaker 1: a huge mistake. There was I could have been figuring
Speaker 1: out my career. I could have been figuring, I could
Speaker 1: have been moving, I could have been traveling, I could
Speaker 1: have been doing so so, so so many things, and instead.
Speaker 2: I was like sitting on the couch watching TV with
Speaker 2: him and liked, the thing is like, you don't even
Speaker 2: realize it, but so much of your energy goes into that,
Speaker 2: so much of your energy, and it's a lot of
Speaker 2: like mental they take up so much mental space. And
Speaker 2: at this stage and you're like in your twenties, I
Speaker 2: think you should be reserving that for your own projects
Speaker 2: and like figuring out who you are on your own.
Speaker 1: I gained like fifty pounds in that relationship. I was
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five pounds, and it was because
Speaker 1: I was so it was the biggest I've ever been
Speaker 1: in my entire life. It wasn't even natural to like
Speaker 1: my body, like I could eat the same way now
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't look like that because I was. And
Speaker 1: I did not enjoy it, and I was so anxious,
Speaker 1: and I felt like what am I doing with my life?
Speaker 1: I don't think I want to marry this person. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I want to do with my career.
Speaker 1: Like I'm spending so much time with him, like all
Speaker 1: we do is just like hang out, and we just
Speaker 1: sit around and hang out and hang out, and the
Speaker 1: hangouts and never end. And I just was like, what
Speaker 1: is the point of this? And now looking back, I
Speaker 1: still am filled with the same feeling of just like,
Speaker 1: why did I waste all of those years? I just
Speaker 1: thought I had to have a boyfriend because I was
Speaker 1: twenty four. I just thought you had to.
Speaker 2: But you definitely learned a lot about yourself through that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's like the silver lining. Yeah, I think I'm such
Speaker 2: an intense person and so in relationships, like for me, it's.
Speaker 1: Just all consuming. It's really the exact same way.
Speaker 2: I'm the exact same way, and I just don't feel
Speaker 2: like that's a priority for me right now.
Speaker 1: And good for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's taken me a minute to get here, but.
Speaker 1: I advocate for that so much and I feel like
Speaker 1: it's the cheesiest thing in the world. But now that
Speaker 1: I'm older, I've realized that the more you know yourself
Speaker 1: and the more you know what you struggle with, what
Speaker 1: you're good at, all of those things, you're a.
Speaker 2: Way better partner, way way way Wait, I mean, how
Speaker 2: can you be like an incredible partner when you don't
Speaker 2: know yourself? Yeah, then you end up like molding into
Speaker 2: what that person needs. So yeah, that's probably my biggest
Speaker 2: surprise in my twenties that I'm actually like wanting to
Speaker 2: be writing solo.
Speaker 1: Love that freely is there anything that matters more than
Speaker 1: you expected.
Speaker 2: I am very family oriented, but I obviously travel so
Speaker 2: much and don't spend that much time at home anymore.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, it surprised me how much I'm like, wait,
Speaker 2: actually I need to make this a priority and like
Speaker 2: missing my parents all the time and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I always imagine, like you hit
Speaker 2: your twenties and like you're ready to leave the home
Speaker 2: and be away. Maybe that's like been a bit surprising,
Speaker 2: not because I obviously love my parents, my sister and everything,
Speaker 2: but how much harder it is than in theory to
Speaker 2: like leave the home even though it's what I want
Speaker 2: to be doing. Maybe that's like something a bit surprising.
Speaker 1: That's sweet, and I feel like that's an important priority.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it took me a long time to realize. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: your parents aren't around.
Speaker 2: Forever truly, And actually, I think one of my biggest
Speaker 2: realizations last year. And I was talking about this with
Speaker 2: my mom because I was reading Rachel Cusk's A Second
Speaker 2: Place and she writes a lot about like motherhood and
Speaker 2: relationships with like mother daughter relationships and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And in the book, it's fictional, but they talk about
Speaker 2: how when your children become adults, it's no longer like
Speaker 2: a mother daughter relationship in the same way. You're more
Speaker 2: like equals and you have to reade find the relationship everything.
Speaker 2: And my mom and I went on a trip this
Speaker 2: summer where we were talking a lot about how we're
Speaker 2: like getting to know each other all over again, because
Speaker 2: I'm not just like a little kay. Yeah, So I
Speaker 2: think that's what I'm finding cool about my twenties right now,
Speaker 2: is getting to know my parents in a different way.
Speaker 2: And of course they're always going to be my parents,
Speaker 2: but I don't know, it's nice to be able to
Speaker 2: talk about things I would never have thought I would
Speaker 2: ever talk about with my mom. When I was in
Speaker 2: high school. I was always such a reserved kid, like,
Speaker 2: didn't really share much with my parents about anything, And
Speaker 2: now like my mom is who I call like after
Speaker 2: anything happens. So that's a really really lovely surprise. Actually,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's so cute. I love that and
Speaker 2: very true.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I feel like that relationship with your mom
Speaker 1: is like, is very important and very important as you
Speaker 1: get older the most.
Speaker 2: And I've always was kind of scared because I would see.
Speaker 2: Some of my friends have amazing relationships with their mom,
Speaker 2: like starting very young, sharing everything, and I was always like,
Speaker 2: I just found it so hard to do that.
Speaker 1: And I feel like there's always a chance, Like there's
Speaker 1: always an opportunity, Like you said, as I'm older, it's
Speaker 1: a completely different thing. So maybe it wasn't the best
Speaker 1: when you were five, Maybe it wasn't the best when
Speaker 1: you were ten, Maybe it wasn't the best when you
Speaker 1: were fifteen. That doesn't mean it can't be the best
Speaker 1: when you're.
Speaker 2: Twenty five, exactly.
Speaker 1: There's like a time for it, you know. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it changes and.
Speaker 2: Evolves you grow up and then you realize, wait, actually
Speaker 2: this is a really spy.
Speaker 1: There were so many things that were like hills I
Speaker 1: was willing to die on, and things with my parents
Speaker 1: that I was willing to fight over or stand by
Speaker 1: or whatever. Now that I'm older, I'm like, it's not important.
Speaker 1: It's really not important.
Speaker 2: I feel the same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just changes. That's really good. That's great advice
Speaker 1: for younger girls, especially anybody listening, like maybe that's a
Speaker 1: teenager or and they're very very early twenties, is that
Speaker 1: there's still time and that that relationship changes.
Speaker 2: It's always changing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is something you would say to someone in
Speaker 1: their twenties who feels like everyone has it figured out
Speaker 1: except for them?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I have this conversation all the time
Speaker 2: with my sister. She's twenty one turning twenty two, okay,
Speaker 2: and there's just so much pressure. And I think too,
Speaker 2: with social media, you always feel like you're seeing LinkedIn.
Speaker 2: LinkedIn is like the devil for like young people. I think, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm not the devil, sorry, but like it's just it's
Speaker 2: so anxiety and TikTok.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, this girl's twenty four and she owns
Speaker 1: her own apartment. How does she own her apartment. I'm
Speaker 1: in my thirties, I've own an apartment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like social media has just I think exacerbated that
Speaker 2: anxiety related to having to be successful like so young
Speaker 2: is know what you want so young and expecting everything
Speaker 2: to happen so quickly, which is just not the case
Speaker 2: for like the majority of people. But it's hard to
Speaker 2: when you go online and that's all you see. So
Speaker 2: I think I always tell my sister, like, remember the
Speaker 2: people who are around you and like what they're doing
Speaker 2: and get excited about the fact that there are so
Speaker 2: many possibilities, Like the opportunities and the possibilities are endless.
Speaker 2: You're so young, you still have time to try so
Speaker 2: many things. My biggest thing, too, is pick up a hobby,
Speaker 2: and I think that's something that a lot of people
Speaker 2: struggle to find or to do because you get home
Speaker 2: from school or from work and all you want to
Speaker 2: do is just lay in bed on your phone because
Speaker 2: it's like easy and it feels good for a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah. I just feel like people don't have
Speaker 2: as many hobbies anymore, and that I include myself in that.
Speaker 2: Like a big goal for me this year is to
Speaker 2: pick up hobbies. So I'm like taking piano lessons, and
Speaker 2: even then I'm like I don't. Sometimes I wake up
Speaker 2: and I'm like I don't want to go to a
Speaker 2: piano But I'm like, no, Like I have to be
Speaker 2: doing this, And I think through that you'll you'll figure
Speaker 2: out what you like. You'll figure out.
Speaker 1: I have a pottery class, like a four week pottery
Speaker 1: class starting in a couple of weeks at my friend,
Speaker 1: one of my best friends, like pushed me to do
Speaker 1: because I was saying the same thing. I was like,
Speaker 1: I need a hobby. I don't play sports, I don't
Speaker 1: like I go to the gym or and I do yoga,
Speaker 1: and I consider yoga to be one of my hobbies.
Speaker 1: I love it and it fulfills me. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's only an hour, and then I just like, I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily feel like I'm learning anything at this point.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of just like stretching and thinking about the
Speaker 1: same thoughts that I'm always thinking. I'm like, I need
Speaker 1: something new, and so We're going to do pottery, and
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about it, and I'm like, what happened
Speaker 1: when people used to do things?
Speaker 2: Honestly?
Speaker 1: When did that end?
Speaker 2: I just because I don't know. I hang out with
Speaker 2: my sister and then I have like her friend group,
Speaker 2: and I'm around like younger people a lot, and I
Speaker 2: hear it all the time. It's like I don't know
Speaker 2: what I like and I don't know what I feel
Speaker 2: the same, and it's like, but you're not trying anything, yeah,
Speaker 2: and yeah, of course there's some people that they try
Speaker 2: something and it works right away, but most people actually don't.
Speaker 2: Like I think of our parents too. My dad had
Speaker 2: like a bunch of jobs, quit a bunch of stuff
Speaker 2: before he found what he likes to do. You know,
Speaker 2: so you can't get defeated too easily. But it's better
Speaker 2: to be doing something than.
Speaker 1: And I think everybody needs to be writing. I used
Speaker 1: to write so much when I was younger and now
Speaker 1: because nobody me sound old. But then with the Internet,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't physically write down anything. I'll start
Speaker 1: writing a couple paragraphs and get a handcramp. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: I used to write pages and pages and pages. I
Speaker 1: can't even write a few paragraphs now, and it's because
Speaker 1: you're just not People don't physically write anything anymore. And
Speaker 1: so I'm like journaling just like writing things. I'm like,
Speaker 1: just physically write stuff to just like a get it
Speaker 1: out of your head and be turn that into a hobby.
Speaker 1: Turn just writing things down into a hobby, even if
Speaker 1: it's like writing what you see, because I'm like, you
Speaker 1: need to physically be writing things.
Speaker 2: I completely agree. I'm like such a what is it
Speaker 2: proponent for writing? For journaling? Honestly, I feel like the
Speaker 2: most introspection I've done, the most growth I've done has
Speaker 2: been through writing in my journal and like facing my
Speaker 2: thoughts and stuff I completely completely agree. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: and I think in my friend group for gifting people journals.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a really sweet gift. That's when my best
Speaker 1: friend got me for my birthday and I chaerishit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everyone should have one, and I completely
Speaker 2: agree that that will help you figure out what you
Speaker 2: like and get to know yourself better.
Speaker 1: Or like too attached to other people. It's freaking me out.
Speaker 1: It's just freaking me out. It's really like a weight
Speaker 1: in my life right now, is God. It's just like
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to think for myself and
Speaker 1: everyone no one's thinking for themselves. What has mattered for
Speaker 1: you more career wise consistency, instinct or your creativity?
Speaker 2: Definitely my creativity. Wait, what do you mean by instinct.
Speaker 1: Like just following what you think is right, following your
Speaker 1: gut or just going for it and just being consistent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely like instinct in creativity. I think starting on
Speaker 2: YouTube too, I've always been more of a like how
Speaker 2: do you say slow media long form girl, which consistency
Speaker 2: wise makes it a little bit harder because it takes
Speaker 2: more time. But I've always I always prioritize putting out things.
Speaker 2: I feel proud of and happy about over consistency.
Speaker 1: And I know that's good advice because I don't think
Speaker 1: that's necessarily what a lot of people do, especially these
Speaker 1: days it's more more and more and more and more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I do feel bad sometimes when I'm
Speaker 2: not consistent, though it's kind of part of the game.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, yeah, But honestly, I just it's
Speaker 2: like against everything I stand for to put something out
Speaker 2: that I don't feel like I've done right. And I am.
Speaker 2: I am a perfectionist. I'm trying to be less of
Speaker 2: one because I do think it stands in my own way,
Speaker 2: but especially with my videos, because I edit and it's
Speaker 2: like my style of editing and everything. It takes time
Speaker 2: and for me, yeah, it's like a little short, little
Speaker 2: movie vibe. I don't know. I want to feel really
Speaker 2: good about it when I put it out. Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: always quality over quantity.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like being creative for a living and
Speaker 1: turning it into a job has made you more or
Speaker 1: less connected to your creativity?
Speaker 2: It actually took me so long to monetize my platforms,
Speaker 2: partially because I was in school and so it wasn't
Speaker 2: a priority, and for me, it was like kind of
Speaker 2: a fun side hustle. Even the past couple of years
Speaker 2: where like I got an agent and started doing more
Speaker 2: paid stuff. I've been in school, so it's always I've
Speaker 2: always viewed it as like something fun, kind of my hobby.
Speaker 2: Only recently I see it really as a career because
Speaker 2: it's like taking up more of my time. Wait, what
Speaker 2: was the question?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like being creative for a living has
Speaker 1: made you more or less connected to your creativity?
Speaker 2: I think I lead my creativity even when we work
Speaker 2: with brands and briefs and stuff. It's so important that
Speaker 2: I'm able to keep my creative freedom and like my
Speaker 2: being able to have a concept that aligns with I
Speaker 2: don't know my aesthetic and my what people will what
Speaker 2: I know people will enjoy. Yeah, I think my goal
Speaker 2: going into any paid thing is hopefully it's not it's
Speaker 2: something that if you're watching you're like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 2: makes sense, Like I would watch this even if it
Speaker 2: wasn't or I would make this even if it wasn't
Speaker 2: sponsored kind of thing.
Speaker 1: What's something creatively you haven't done yet that you're craving
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: I feel like this year I'm working on quite a
Speaker 2: few things that are like new and exciting. For example,
Speaker 2: I'm designing my first collab collection that's incredible, super fun,
Speaker 2: and that's such a dream come true.
Speaker 1: It really loves that.
Speaker 2: Really is yeah, and it's coming out.
Speaker 1: I say, if I know your dreams, but it's like
Speaker 1: it's very influencer's dream come true is to like get
Speaker 1: to actually create something and not just constantly be pushing
Speaker 1: someone else's stuff exactly put yourself into.
Speaker 2: It, and also just to explore that side of the
Speaker 2: or of the fashion industry and kind of see how
Speaker 2: it works. Is it's been so fun and being able
Speaker 2: to design pieces and oh, I can't wait to see it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's super fun and colorful and bury me. So that's
Speaker 2: been such so incredible. And then thinking of things I
Speaker 2: haven't done yet, I think leaning more into writing and
Speaker 2: like substock personal essays, which I've never written before, but
Speaker 2: I think I'm like that's the next step for me
Speaker 2: to kind of play around with that.
Speaker 1: It's really fun. It's really really fun. It's it can
Speaker 1: be daunting, but it's it's really fun and I feel
Speaker 1: like it. Like I said, the people are just so
Speaker 1: receptive to it that I don't think you could have
Speaker 1: like a more beautiful place to do it. Like people
Speaker 1: are just so positive on there. I really love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what advice would you give to girls who feel creative
Speaker 1: but don't know where to start exploring their creativity. I'm
Speaker 1: one of those people. I'm so not a creative and
Speaker 1: it is like the biggest hindrance in my life is
Speaker 1: that I'm just not creative. My mom is the most
Speaker 1: creative creative, not at all. My mom is the most
Speaker 1: creative human I've ever met. My sister, Like, you could
Speaker 1: hand them anything and they would turn it into like
Speaker 1: a beautiful project. I would like stack it straight up
Speaker 1: into a line and be like it's a perfectly straight line.
Speaker 1: Look at this. That's how my brain is.
Speaker 2: But I actually see creativity kind of differently. I think
Speaker 2: where I think everyone's creative and that creating isn't necessarily
Speaker 2: like being good at drawing, Like being creative isn't necessarily
Speaker 2: being good in the arts. It's like you could be
Speaker 2: super smart in maths and like coming up with formulas,
Speaker 2: and that's being creative, you know, because you're creating something.
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of people convince themselves that
Speaker 2: they're not creative and that stands in their way because
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, but I'm not built for this. And
Speaker 2: I think growing up I did that a lot where
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm good at science and i'm good
Speaker 2: at math, but I'm not good at drawing. I'm not
Speaker 2: good at painting, so I'm not creative. Like that's just
Speaker 2: not for me. The arts aren't for me. And then
Speaker 2: I went to school and I studied environmental science, which
Speaker 2: I really did.
Speaker 1: Enjoy, but it was so my sister studied really.
Speaker 2: Yeah awesome, like it's a great, great program, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't passionate. And then I took one English course where
Speaker 2: we had to write, and my teacher was like, you
Speaker 2: should pursue this more and I was like, Okay, that's
Speaker 2: the push I needed to then eventually study English in college.
Speaker 2: And all to say that, I think there is this
Speaker 2: like conception of creativity that you know, associates it with
Speaker 2: a very specific type type of creation. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think all of us are creative in our own ways.
Speaker 2: And again it goes back to just trying stuff, like
Speaker 2: you know, maybe it's picking up an instrument, or maybe
Speaker 2: it is drawing, or it's writing or even like event planning.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like it can be anything anything, and
Speaker 2: maybe you're really good with like organization and logistics and
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, well, then lean into it. When
Speaker 2: I say event planning, that's kind of what comes to mind,
Speaker 2: like more logistical, that's still creative. Yeah, So like don't
Speaker 2: limit yourself and also do it for yourself. I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of like feeling like you have to
Speaker 2: create stuff and then share it with the world. But
Speaker 2: I think when you're not really sure what you like doing, like,
Speaker 2: don't put that pressure on yourself. I think a lot
Speaker 2: of the creating I did, like before being on social
Speaker 2: media and stuff, was like in my room, in my journal,
Speaker 2: ugly stuff. I would I've created a lot of bad
Speaker 2: stuff before I could create things that I liked. You know.
Speaker 1: I like that advice because I do feel like everything
Speaker 1: we do feels like it's supposed to be consumed and
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be shared, and like nothing I feel
Speaker 1: like nothing I do is private. Nothing I do do
Speaker 1: I keep to myself. So that's really good advice of
Speaker 1: just like create something. Maybe it'll bring the fund back
Speaker 1: into creativity. I see being creative as like a stressor
Speaker 1: the idea of going to an art class and like
Speaker 1: to stress me even my pottery class. I'm like, what
Speaker 1: am I gonna make? Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's like stressing me out because I'm like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make a mug and then I'm gonna go back the
Speaker 1: next week. I'm gonna make another mug. But I don't
Speaker 1: know I know how to make a mug or bowl.
Speaker 1: And it's like the idea of being creative stresses me out.
Speaker 1: So I guess like it doesn't have to be for
Speaker 1: anybody but yourself is very good advice, and maybe don't
Speaker 1: go into it to give it to somebody else to consume. Yeah,
Speaker 1: has your relationship with fashion changes you've gotten older and
Speaker 1: grown more into yourself.
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. I mean I definitely had a moment. I think,
Speaker 2: especially with the rise of TikTok, like trends became so
Speaker 2: much more or intense. I don't know, it was like fast,
Speaker 2: how do you say? There was a trend one week
Speaker 2: and then the next it was oh yeah, like turnover,
Speaker 2: fast turnover. So I definitely bought into that for a
Speaker 2: bit and then realized, Okay, this is like really not
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: It's like a giant manipulation. Now they're just like manipulating
Speaker 1: us into buying stuff by like making malgorithm push more clothes,
Speaker 1: and it's like they're tricking us.
Speaker 2: No. I like, look back at photos from that period
Speaker 2: of my life, I'm like, that was just not me
Speaker 2: at all. But so I've definitely had phases like that,
Speaker 2: and I think post Exchange, post living in Denmark, I
Speaker 2: learned a lot about the concept of personal style and
Speaker 2: what it means to just like dress for yourself. Now
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a place where I like a
Speaker 2: mix of comfort, like classic with a little pop. I'd say,
Speaker 2: like that's my style, like a little pop of color
Speaker 2: or like a fun accessory. But I really dress for
Speaker 2: myself and I just wear what I feel confident in,
Speaker 2: like to if I have a shirt or something that
Speaker 2: doesn't fit in a way that I like, it's gone.
Speaker 2: I don't try to make anything work that doesn't feel
Speaker 2: good on my body. I think that's the.
Speaker 1: Main Another piece of great advice. Wow, you're the advice queen.
Speaker 1: You're just killing that is another great piece of advice.
Speaker 1: Don't try to force it, just get rid of it.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I for I'm kind of a hoarder,
Speaker 2: Like I'm very attached to things that I like, but
Speaker 2: like things that are so random, Like I have literally
Speaker 2: three but this is a good thing, But I have
Speaker 2: like three boxes in my closet of cards.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm a card sall sentimental.
Speaker 2: But as we should. Yeah, but yeah, I find it
Speaker 2: really hard to like go of clothing. And my mom too,
Speaker 2: is like, don't get rid of anything because like, you
Speaker 2: never know, in ten years you might love it again.
Speaker 2: But for me, especially with like trying to fit into
Speaker 2: clothing that I used to wear, that was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: very triggering. So I'm like, if it doesn't fit, it's gone.
Speaker 2: It's gone.
Speaker 1: I've been doing that. Any jeans, I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: even care if they're three hundred and fifty oarsar jeanes.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, if you don't fit me,
Speaker 1: you're gone, because all I'm gonna do is obsessed about
Speaker 1: the fact that I can't button these anymore. And you've
Speaker 1: gotta go, Yeah, gotta go. Exactly what did the next
Speaker 1: five years look like for you creatively and for your career?
Speaker 2: This is actually such a hard question.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear. I'm curious what you want the
Speaker 1: next five years.
Speaker 2: Real quick, I think, being I still consider myself in
Speaker 2: my post grad era, even though I graduated almost a
Speaker 2: year ago.
Speaker 1: Now I'm in my thirties on post grad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm no literally. So the next step for me
Speaker 2: is leaving my home town. I still live at home
Speaker 2: with my family, so it's like I do feel a
Speaker 2: little bit stagnant in that way because I go home
Speaker 2: and I just feel like I'm at the same place
Speaker 2: I was five years ago.
Speaker 1: That's my biggest Any friends that I have that still
Speaker 1: live in our hometown, I'm like, are you need to go?
Speaker 1: We are too old for this, Like you need to
Speaker 1: get out, You're at the perfect age, Like this is
Speaker 1: the time to go.
Speaker 2: It's how I feel, and I think most of my
Speaker 2: friends feel the same way. So we're all like leaving.
Speaker 2: So when I go home, it does feel a little
Speaker 2: bit empty anyways. But in order for me to even
Speaker 2: imagine what five years or what my life will look
Speaker 2: like in five years, I feel like I just need
Speaker 2: to be living somewhere else. So that's the first step.
Speaker 1: I'm do you know where you want to go?
Speaker 2: Yes, So I'm moving to London.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, that's going to be
Speaker 1: so amazing. That's a yeah. God, that's so brave. That
Speaker 1: is brave. Yeah, I in the best way.
Speaker 2: I've lived in Copenagen a couple of times throughout the
Speaker 2: years and loved it. I really like being in Europe
Speaker 2: where it's like you're close to everything, and I like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like people are just cool
Speaker 2: and so many internationals stuff like that. I did consider
Speaker 2: in New York for a second too. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just felt called to the city and I haven't
Speaker 2: spent that much time there, but I think I will
Speaker 2: really enjoy it. And there's such a huge creative yes space,
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: Great culture and music and oh my gosh, that's going
Speaker 1: to be fantastic fashion. Yeah, I am so jealous.
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that, Like I've always.
Speaker 1: Wanted to do it, but I haven't had the balls
Speaker 1: you should always wanted to. And then I'm like, but
Speaker 1: the idea of just like being in a different country
Speaker 1: than my parents freaks.
Speaker 2: Me out, or like my family freaks me out. You know, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you just try. Yeah. I think everyone needs
Speaker 2: to do that at least once, like live quite far
Speaker 2: from home.
Speaker 1: I love London and I love punk rock music, so
Speaker 1: I really sold that as like a dream of mine.
Speaker 1: I'm very glad that you're doing that. You're gonna love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also think that in London, like, I'm
Speaker 2: very into the editorial world. I love magazines obviously, love
Speaker 2: of books, and like writing and I'm really I think
Speaker 2: that being in that environment and around all of these
Speaker 2: publications and stuff, hopefully getting my foot in the door
Speaker 2: somewhere will help me figure out what I want to do.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be surprised if five years on the
Speaker 2: road I'm working in that industry.
Speaker 1: Oh you have such an editorial vibe. I could see it. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're so chic.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: And I feel like the things you were saying, like
Speaker 1: you're very reserved, you're very private, you're very calm, you're
Speaker 1: very well rounded, you're very self assured. These are important
Speaker 1: things in editorial. Okay, I think I would be a
Speaker 1: nightmare and editorial I just like am loud and yappy,
Speaker 1: and I talk so much. I wouldn't thrive. I feel
Speaker 1: like you are concise and reserved and intelligent, and I
Speaker 1: feel like those you would really thrive in that.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: It's the world I see it for you. Okay, I
Speaker 1: love this. So in five years you'll be living in
Speaker 1: London working at a magazine, British Folk. You'll be working
Speaker 1: at British Folgue. I love this for you. Love What
Speaker 1: kind of projects are you trying to attract next?
Speaker 2: Definitely in line with what we just spoke about, more
Speaker 2: writing opportunities, whether that's like contributing to a magazine or
Speaker 2: even just starting out with writing my own personal essays
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, like learning how to write more
Speaker 2: editorial style because I'm used to more academic papers and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a very vulnerable thing to write in that way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, any type of writing project I think is
Speaker 2: like my ultimate dream for to do a book. I would.
Speaker 2: I would, Yeah, I would. I could see that like fiction.
Speaker 2: Oh I wouldn't write it about myself. I don't think,
Speaker 2: like not like a memoial, you know, that's I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm twenty three, you know, let's chill. But yeah, I would,
Speaker 2: just I think it would be really fun. I think
Speaker 2: my dream too would be to like write come up
Speaker 2: with like a really cool story. Definitely something coming of
Speaker 2: age related or like coming of self as they say,
Speaker 2: because I'm so into that genre and then and you.
Speaker 1: Have such great advice, Like I feel like it would
Speaker 1: be great, Like you have such a You're only twenty three,
Speaker 1: but I feel like the way you look at it
Speaker 1: is so reflective that I feel like even now, like
Speaker 1: you could write something about that and girls would learn
Speaker 1: something from it and take.
Speaker 2: Something to thank you. Yeah, Like it would be so
Speaker 2: cool to write a cool story and then also think
Speaker 2: about adapting it to into a screenplay or something, or
Speaker 2: for a film. That is, if I'm thinking like ten
Speaker 2: year plan, you know.
Speaker 1: Would you write it under your name or would you
Speaker 1: want it to be people not know this? That's actually
Speaker 1: a great Oh, that's actually I have always wanted to
Speaker 1: write a series of fiction books and not put my
Speaker 1: name on it Lemony Snaket style.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I haven't thought about that.
Speaker 1: I there's pros and cons that.
Speaker 2: I know there are. I'm not I wouldn't be opposed
Speaker 2: to it, honestly, because then I feel like you can
Speaker 2: really write whatever, not really think too deeply. I think too,
Speaker 2: if you write under your own name, people sometimes assume
Speaker 2: that you're talking about people. That is my one thing, Yeah,
Speaker 2: wanting to protect people from that. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I also think it's like good to own it, own
Speaker 2: what you're doing, not try to like especially for me,
Speaker 2: who I Yeah, I'm more shy in some ways when
Speaker 2: it comes to that stuff, and like I said, a
Speaker 2: bit reserved with my personal life. But I think it's
Speaker 2: a good exercise maybe to be like, actually I wrote this,
Speaker 2: and like be proud of it.
Speaker 1: I just want to like shock people. I want to
Speaker 1: be like, there's books that you love. This dumb girl
Speaker 1: that you hated on the internet wrote these books. That's
Speaker 1: like my dream. What is the best career advice you
Speaker 1: have lived? Not just heard?
Speaker 2: Relationships are really the most important thing in any industry
Speaker 2: whatever you do, which we obviously know, but you could
Speaker 2: be like the best at your job, but if you
Speaker 2: don't have good relationships, I don't know if that's like
Speaker 2: I think longevity comes from, like really agree completely, yeah,
Speaker 2: having good relationships with the people you work with and
Speaker 2: treating everyone obviously with respect and stuff. So that's been
Speaker 2: something I've really observed, especially in this industry, where like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel very lucky for like the relationships I have
Speaker 2: and grateful and that's something that will never take for granted.
Speaker 1: I feel like I have There have been many instances
Speaker 1: where I have accomplished something or gotten something, and it's
Speaker 1: because other people have taken for granted how important strong
Speaker 1: relationships are, and they're like naive about relationships, and they're
Speaker 1: naive about even just events. I'm like, this isn't really
Speaker 1: something for you to have fun, have fun, but this
Speaker 1: is networking. Like, these relationships matter, and I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of people can be very naive as to
Speaker 1: how important the relationships are. And then that person. You
Speaker 1: just never know where somebody's going to go. You never
Speaker 1: know where somebody's going to end up, You never know
Speaker 1: when somebody may think of you, when you might be
Speaker 1: top of mind. It really is important, and I feel
Speaker 1: like that's really great advice, especially for girlies that are listening,
Speaker 1: is like, take these relationships very seriously. Yeah, And if
Speaker 1: you want to be in social media, build your relationships.
Speaker 1: Build your network. That will do more for you than
Speaker 1: anything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And even outside of social media, when I think
Speaker 2: of like, I don't know, if you struggle at school
Speaker 2: a little bit, like grades are something that you that
Speaker 2: are hard. Relationships, I trust me relationships will make up
Speaker 2: for that. If you're personable and you're someone that people
Speaker 2: enjoy having around, like, don't underestimate that it is like
Speaker 2: such a superpower.
Speaker 1: I think I agree. I love that advice. Okay, if
Speaker 1: you could leave girls in their twenties with one mind
Speaker 1: set shift, what would it be? You can wave a
Speaker 1: magic wand and everyone, all the girlies listening to young
Speaker 1: girls can have a shift in their mindset. What would
Speaker 1: you want them to shift it to?
Speaker 2: What comes to my mind is something that I feel
Speaker 2: like I struggle with a lot, and that's like spending
Speaker 2: so much time looking at myself in the mirror and
Speaker 2: wishing things were different, things looked different. I think that's
Speaker 2: something I struggle with a lot, and especially with social media,
Speaker 2: where it's like everything's always captured. There's always a photo
Speaker 2: of where I've been and what I've been doing, and
Speaker 2: that's ghost I think for honestly everyone, because even my
Speaker 2: friends who aren't like influencers or whatever, it's the same.
Speaker 2: And yes, we spend just so much time looking at ourselves,
Speaker 2: so much more than I mean, our parents did. So
Speaker 2: I think if I could have, like everyone, like a
Speaker 2: huge mindset shift, it would be to spend less time
Speaker 2: looking at ourselves and more time just like enjoying our
Speaker 2: healthy young bodies. It's like something my mom would say,
Speaker 2: but actually, like, yeah, just doing less of that, being
Speaker 2: less focused on appearance, I guess, which is really hard.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, we'd all be so much happier.
Speaker 1: Twelve out of ten Advice I love that. Okay, I
Speaker 1: make everybody speak something into existence. Speak something into existence.
Speaker 1: It can be career, it can be life. It could
Speaker 1: even be that you have a great time in London.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want, just speak something into existence here on
Speaker 1: the podcast. You will this.
Speaker 2: I will be present throughout the rest of the year
Speaker 2: and like make sure to spend Yeah, to just wake
Speaker 2: up and focus on today is something I'm really working
Speaker 2: hard on doing and not anticipating things all the time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm going to be better at being present.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's speaking to existence. That's a good one.
Speaker 1: No, that's a great one. And I'm speaking into existence
Speaker 1: that you are going to thrive in London and you
Speaker 1: are not going to be homesick even once, and you
Speaker 1: are just going to kill it and you're going to
Speaker 1: explore and see the world. Which this is going to happen.
Speaker 1: This isn't even like I have, but I am excited
Speaker 1: for you, and I love seeing people like go out
Speaker 1: into the world and travel and leave their hometowns and
Speaker 1: all that. I think that's so beautiful. So I'm so
Speaker 1: excited for you. Okay, last question, who do you think
Speaker 1: is the ultimate Girl? And why does she Inspare you.
Speaker 2: Actually I have? You know? Yeah? Tell me? Yeah, ultimate
Speaker 2: a girl like north Star cool, cool, cool, She's just
Speaker 2: so smart, honestly the coolest. She's writing a memoir right now.
Speaker 2: She's I don't know, she lives in London or Paris.
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure, but she's just she's probably back
Speaker 2: and forth, yeah, back and forth, like she always has
Speaker 2: something to say and is like something good to say,
Speaker 2: you know, she adds to so many conversations. And yeah,
Speaker 2: she's just the coolest, the coolest, and she's incredible style.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's my ultimate A girl.
Speaker 1: Fabulous answer. I love that answer. Do you want to
Speaker 1: shout out your socials real quick? Where can we find
Speaker 1: you everywhere?
Speaker 2: I'm Ava medus Eva with any.
Speaker 1: God, I'm so jealous you have the same thing everywhere.
Speaker 1: I didn't get my user names. Oh no, I've to
Speaker 1: hit my stupid middle initial. I'm at Bailey t Taylor
Speaker 1: and we are at It Girl the series. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. This was so great. You
Speaker 1: have such great advice. You are so well rounded and
Speaker 1: well spoken. I loved having you and stay tuned next
Speaker 1: week for another It Girl Girl