WEBVTT - Eva Meloche: YouTube Boundaries, Copenhagen Style & What’s Next

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, and welcome to the It Girl podcast. I am

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<v Speaker 1>here with Ava.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for coming your first podcast. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we are so honored to be your first.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having.

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<v Speaker 1>Me diving right in. You've grown up online in a

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<v Speaker 1>very visible way. Do you feel like people know you

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<v Speaker 1>or online versions of you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this is a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's your relationship like with your audience?

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<v Speaker 2>That is really a good question. I do think that

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<v Speaker 2>doing YouTube and starting on YouTube, I was able to

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<v Speaker 2>develop such a strong relationship with my audience, and I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm very much myself on YouTube and like

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<v Speaker 2>more unfiltered, and I love the platform because you really

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<v Speaker 2>do have the space to be yourself and to share

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of parts of your life and of yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course, like it's mediated because it's edited, and

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<v Speaker 2>like online isn't real life. So I do feel that

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<v Speaker 2>I have a really strong relationship with my online community.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I don't know. I think about this a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>like do people really know you as a person if

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<v Speaker 2>they've never met you and aren't close to you. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think so, but I think it's still like a

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<v Speaker 2>comforting kind of relationship. Do you How do you say.

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<v Speaker 1>Parasocial on some level, like on a level they don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know you, but you feel like your YouTube is

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<v Speaker 1>an honest representation of you and who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. But I also think I've always been

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<v Speaker 2>very good at keeping good, strict boundaries with my private

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<v Speaker 2>life because I recognize that not everyone that's in my

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<v Speaker 2>life wants to be online and wants their stuff to

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<v Speaker 2>be shared. So that was one thing I strug struggled

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<v Speaker 2>is maybe a bit of a big word, but that

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<v Speaker 2>was harder when I started YouTube because it took off

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<v Speaker 2>really quickly, and I was so young and didn't really understand,

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<v Speaker 2>like I wasn't able to conceptualize numbers, and even to

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<v Speaker 2>this day, I don't think I really do in the

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<v Speaker 2>sense of, like this many people are watching and have

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<v Speaker 2>insight into your life, and so I would, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>be vlogging in my house during COVID with my family

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<v Speaker 2>and putting my sister and my parents online and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I think at that time I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>understand that I was giving everyone a glimpse into my

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<v Speaker 2>private life. So I think with time I've really learned

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<v Speaker 2>to be more like conscious of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard that from every YouTuber Girly that we've had

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<v Speaker 1>on We've had so many great YouTube a girls and

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<v Speaker 1>girls that started seventeen eighteen, nineteen years old, and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>has said, I didn't realize how much I was putting

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<v Speaker 1>out there, and I didn't realize what those numbers meant

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<v Speaker 1>of how many people were really and not everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>your best interest at heart, So I feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have to be careful. It's not even so

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<v Speaker 1>much like wanting to hide a version of yourself. It's

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<v Speaker 1>more so like protecting yourself from the people that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>don't wish you as well or for.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and I think too, It's just I'm a very

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<v Speaker 2>private person even in real life, Like I have a

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<v Speaker 2>very small circle of really close friends, and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm a bit protective of that. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I've always kind of been that way,

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<v Speaker 2>so which is kind of weird when you think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>because I share so much of my life online, but

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<v Speaker 2>very yeah, I am very particular about like what I share.

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<v Speaker 2>Although I do feel like if you watch my videos,

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<v Speaker 2>you know my vibe and like you know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about me. I wouldn't say I think that it's possible

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<v Speaker 2>to like know me personally through online, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think anyone can really.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I completely I very much understand that,

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<v Speaker 1>very very much understand that your content has always had

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<v Speaker 1>a distinct visual language. Where do you think your taste

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<v Speaker 1>comes from and what do you do to hone your taste?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I grew up with a mom who is also

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<v Speaker 2>like a very like a creative, a creative person. She

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<v Speaker 2>has ceramics, Our house has always been full of colorful

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<v Speaker 2>shapes and stuff that like. Growing up sometimes I was

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<v Speaker 2>like what is this? But I think that it really

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<v Speaker 2>influenced me. Like my bathroom is pink, and you walk

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<v Speaker 2>into my house, yeah, and the entry is pink and

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<v Speaker 2>we have like these bunk, funky sculptures all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>So that I think growing up around my mom, who's

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<v Speaker 2>always been very eccentric and very herself as very much

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<v Speaker 2>influenced to me, and then my sister too. She's always

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<v Speaker 2>had an eye. We've always like when we've traveled as

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<v Speaker 2>a family, she's always been the one to be taking

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<v Speaker 2>photos and stuff like that, and I think I learned

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<v Speaker 2>a lot from her honing my own taste. I think

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<v Speaker 2>with YouTube exploring the more video format really helped me

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<v Speaker 2>kind of yeah, hone, my taste and like visual I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that really makes sense, but learning how

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<v Speaker 2>to see the world in like my own way and

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<v Speaker 2>looking through a camera. Now I feel like sometimes I'm

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<v Speaker 2>walking in the street and it's like sometimes I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>thinking through that lens a little bit, if that makes sense,

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<v Speaker 2>like capturing random stuff that I think is pretty, but

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<v Speaker 2>that other people might be like, what is the purpose

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<v Speaker 2>of this, Like a random rapper in the street, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. So yeah, I think through YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>that's really helped me, and then I guess more on

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<v Speaker 2>a style front. In high school, I had a like

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<v Speaker 2>aur group of friends. We would be thrifting like almost weekly,

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<v Speaker 2>going to Value Village and like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, shut out, Value Village, Yeah the best.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been there too long.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they have it here you No, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they have it in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I mean they have others, I'm sure, but we'd

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<v Speaker 2>go to this one like near our high school anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>and literally weekly, like shopping all the time was like

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<v Speaker 2>back when it was like three dollars for something, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that really helped me discover my own style

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<v Speaker 2>because I would buy stuff not really knowing if I

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<v Speaker 2>liked it that much, but I would like cut stuff

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<v Speaker 2>up and play around with that. So that really I

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<v Speaker 2>think shaped my style and even to this day, it's

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite way to shop vintage secondhand anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a big Pinterest girl?

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<v Speaker 2>Not for what you would think, okay, like not really

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<v Speaker 2>for style or clothing, but very much so for like

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<v Speaker 2>home design.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going, they're just like food, Like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm more of like the pretty stuff I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>like my Instagram for example, the type of carousels I create,

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<v Speaker 2>I think or like a mix, a very lifestyle mix,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that's where I get in spo on

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<v Speaker 2>Pinterest is like how people capture their everyday things in

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<v Speaker 2>their everyday life, and like nails and makeup stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really not that good at. So maybe, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know colors, I do love Pinterest.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your biggest source of style inspiration?

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, my friends. One of my best friends is like

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<v Speaker 2>the best thrifter I've ever met, and she'll always pull

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<v Speaker 2>out these pieces and I'm like, where did you find that?

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<v Speaker 2>And I honestly I'm always borrowing from her and like

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<v Speaker 2>for my birthday. She curated this little thrift package.

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<v Speaker 1>That's such a sweet I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>So so sweet. And I wore one of the pieces

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<v Speaker 2>to like an event in New York back in during

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<v Speaker 2>fashion week, and I swear everyone at the event was like,

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<v Speaker 2>is that door? I was like wearing a random thing

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<v Speaker 2>that she had thrifted from me anyways, and I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she's she's talented. So friends. Also, one of my best

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<v Speaker 2>friends is like a Danish stylist and she always has

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<v Speaker 2>the coolest stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I'm gonna need to follow her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, she's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the coolest girls.

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<v Speaker 2>They are, And I think, honestly, I really found my

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<v Speaker 2>style when I was studying abroad in Copenagen three years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Before that, like yeah, I was a little bit Pinterest inspired,

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't know, and then I went to Denmark,

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<v Speaker 2>where everyone has such insane, insane style. People really play around,

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<v Speaker 2>have fun, and I just had like kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>style awakening.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my next life goal is to do I've done

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<v Speaker 1>Paris Fashion Week, New York Fashion Week, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do Copenhagen Fashion Week. Those girls just have it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they are just like queen'sick girl. In every way.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone is so nice too, which I think is a

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<v Speaker 2>big part of being an IT girl. I think so

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<v Speaker 2>too like it for me if you have cool style

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<v Speaker 2>and you're nice and cool to be around, Like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the best. And everyone I think in Copenhagen is

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<v Speaker 2>like incredibly nice and awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>If we had a slogan, it would be it girls

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<v Speaker 1>are nice girls. Like I say that all all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the number one rule. If people aren't nice, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't post their episodes, I don't like release their street interviews,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. Because IT girls are nice girls. They

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<v Speaker 1>need to be nice to other women. So I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes me want to go there even more.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that it's very like inclusive, like everyone's welcome

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<v Speaker 2>and I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>And they play with fashion in like just a way

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<v Speaker 1>that's so chic and elegant, Like they just do it

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that's just not tacky in any capacity.

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<v Speaker 1>They just know how to blend and mix and.

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<v Speaker 2>Colorful and like yeah, old, yeah, it's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Love those girls. Okay, that makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I could see your Copenhagen fashion inspiration.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>What's inspiring you right now. That has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with social media.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, book art, Yeah, yeah, I read a lot. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>reading this book that my dad got me for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Lao je Metie. It's by Caroline Dawson. She's

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<v Speaker 2>like a Quebec quebecer and it's about it's like anecdotal

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<v Speaker 2>about her immigration from Chile to Montreal when she was

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<v Speaker 2>a child. Anyways, it's really really good inspiration. Yeah, all

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<v Speaker 2>the books I read. I feel like books are like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of my main accessory, so like when I'm whatever

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<v Speaker 2>I'm reading kind of like determines my vibe for the

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<v Speaker 2>week or something. Honestly, substock has been so inspiring for

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<v Speaker 2>me lately. I just got on it a couple months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>If I could kind of late to the game a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, but oh my gosh, my substack is my passion.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like struggling to write because I want everything to

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<v Speaker 1>be so good and I have like such a love

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<v Speaker 1>for it, and I appreciate it so much, and I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the community so much because the women are so

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<v Speaker 1>nice and they're so supportive. They will read paragraph after

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<v Speaker 1>paragraph that you write. They will respond like it's such

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful place for people to like. I just think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great community.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, And it feels like people are having conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just like comments, if that makes sense. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's like more yeah, back and forth. And I'm also

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<v Speaker 2>like trying to get more into writing again since I graduated,

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<v Speaker 2>so I've been enjoying that and like the personal essays

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<v Speaker 2>on substock unbelievable, unbelievable, so many incredible writers with incredible takes,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I read this article a couple of weeks ago

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<v Speaker 2>called everyone wants to be a DJ, but no one

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<v Speaker 2>wants to dance, And I literally think about it all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. But it's about like art and how such

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<v Speaker 2>a big part of art is the audience and it

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<v Speaker 2>just got me thinking so much about like what we

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<v Speaker 2>do too, and how like a huge part of creating

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<v Speaker 2>is I guess, reception, and like creating spaces that feel

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<v Speaker 2>fun to consume media and if that makes sense, and

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<v Speaker 2>like social media sometimes can be so exhausting to consume.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, anyways, that's something that really inspired me.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I love Substack. I feel like it is

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<v Speaker 1>the most it is like the elegant, curated side of

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<v Speaker 1>the internet. It is like there is no negativity, and

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<v Speaker 1>if there is, it's an It's productive and it's commentary

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to like just nasty comment Like it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>force you to read anything, like you're choosing to read things.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of it's paid, so you have to like

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<v Speaker 1>really be interested. I am a substack advocate. I love it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love that it gives women a place to write.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it very intentional, yes, extremely and ever just

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<v Speaker 1>like support it literally, like I said, it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>elegant part of the Internet. It's nothing like the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of comments you read on like a TikTok. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like YouTube two people are really because it's such a

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<v Speaker 1>lot like if I'm going to watch thirty six minutes

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<v Speaker 1>of your week, I care you know. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hate watch thirty six minutes. No, somebody will hate watch

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<v Speaker 1>the forty five seconds. So I'll tell you, Yeah, for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>bag has been online made you more confident or more

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<v Speaker 1>self aware?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Great question. I think a little bit of both.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think I've always been quite self aware,

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<v Speaker 2>like socially anxious and that kind of thing, but being

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<v Speaker 2>online has exacerbated that for sure, where it's just I

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<v Speaker 2>think of my last years of college, especially when most

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<v Speaker 2>of my cohort graduated. I did college in four years

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<v Speaker 2>instead of three, and I couldn't go to campus because

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<v Speaker 2>I felt so self aware and so anxious about that,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that definitely played with confidence, where I just

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<v Speaker 2>felt like too self aware, like it just wasn't good

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<v Speaker 2>for me. And then but that led me to have

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<v Speaker 2>lots of reflections, and I think now I see it

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<v Speaker 2>as having built my confidence in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe through that actually, And I think being in the

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<v Speaker 2>industry and having the opportunity to like go to events

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff on my own has really helped with my confidence,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the past year. Showing up places on your

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<v Speaker 2>own is terrifying, and now I feel like very good

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. So I think that's through doing that, like

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<v Speaker 2>exiting my comfort zone, which this job has forced me

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<v Speaker 2>to do a lot, I've built my confidence up.

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<v Speaker 1>Event alone is truly my worst nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>It used to be mine too, but now it's like

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to know someone there, people are nice, like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't fret.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think confidence can exist when you're constantly being

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<v Speaker 1>perceived or you think you have to kind of remove

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<v Speaker 1>yourself from it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's like related really to others think

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<v Speaker 2>and being perceived. I think confidence is kind of not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily innate, but like it shouldn't be influenced by what

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<v Speaker 2>other people think. That's kind of the point, right, Ooh,

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<v Speaker 2>I love that, I think, no, because that's definitely something

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<v Speaker 2>I've struggled with, is like caring so much what people think,

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<v Speaker 2>or like what boys think and stuff like that that

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<v Speaker 2>will like completely affect my confidence and it's like male

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<v Speaker 2>validation or like things like that. And then it's realizing

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<v Speaker 2>actually that should and even be a factor, like confidence

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<v Speaker 2>should come within with knowing that you're doing something cool

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<v Speaker 2>and you're kind to people, and you have something to

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<v Speaker 2>say and something to contribute to conversations, and that you

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<v Speaker 2>show up like with a good attitude.

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<v Speaker 1>That for me makes me fabulous advice. Yeah, fabulous advice.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that is great advice. It's incredibly true,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's great advice. And I'm much older than you

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<v Speaker 1>and I still struggle with it. So I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>I think everyone we all need to hear that.

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<v Speaker 2>We all have our moments. But like that's I try

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<v Speaker 2>to remind myself of that as often as I can.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. What has surprised you most about being

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<v Speaker 1>in your twenties.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think when you're younger, you think your

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<v Speaker 2>twenties you're going to have it all figured out. I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people say that and think that.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's surprised me, but kind of in a good way,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is realizing that kind of none of us

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<v Speaker 2>have figured out. It feels kind of comforting to see

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<v Speaker 2>my twenties more as like a trial and air time

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<v Speaker 2>of my life and a moment to try things and

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<v Speaker 2>like work hard, put yourself out there. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I always thought that when I was be

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty five, I'd have my whole life figured out,

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<v Speaker 2>But like, I don't think that that's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>You also have it more together in a career than

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<v Speaker 1>I think most do at twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I still feel I still struggle a lot

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<v Speaker 2>with feeling like what I'm doing is legitimate enough and

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<v Speaker 2>always wanting to like add on to my resume in

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<v Speaker 2>a sense I think to like, yeah, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of pressure from people in my life, like not in

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<v Speaker 2>a bad way necessarily, but to have a plan or like,

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<v Speaker 2>I find it so hard when adults ask me what

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<v Speaker 2>I do, and like often when I answer, it's followed

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<v Speaker 2>by it but like, what about after? Yeah, what's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just a stepping stone, which it probably is

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways, but yeah, the future is scary to

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<v Speaker 2>think about.

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<v Speaker 1>I think marketing has changed all around, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what I know, everyone loves the conversation of

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<v Speaker 1>what about when social media goes away?

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<v Speaker 2>Away?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going away. No, it's not going to go away.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even if it went away in the sense

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<v Speaker 1>of what we have it as now, it's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>We're always gonna We know how to communicate online now,

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<v Speaker 1>we know how to express ourselves online. We know how

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<v Speaker 1>to express ourselves to millions of people and communicate with

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<v Speaker 1>millions of people. We're not going to go from that

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<v Speaker 1>level of communication to completely It's never gonna be. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just us communicating with the local people in our

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<v Speaker 1>town again, it's not going to go back to that.

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<v Speaker 1>We have yea, we have cell phones, we have the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the Pindor's box has been opened. So even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's not Instagram or TikTok or whatever. There is always

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a level of social media.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing is, like social media is a medium. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's not the end all be all. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're right that like apps and platforms will probably cycle,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is. It's rat like it's like the same

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<v Speaker 2>as writing, Like writing's not going away tomorrow, you know exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's really about what you do with it

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<v Speaker 2>and what you build on there that matters more so

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<v Speaker 2>than like the platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like when people try to squash influencers and

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<v Speaker 1>they say, especially girls, when they say, like what's coming after, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>social media won't be around forever. It's like, I know

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<v Speaker 1>she has something that's hers, that she's successful a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>that she's turned into a business. Let her have that.

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<v Speaker 1>What Like, don't if somebody writes a book, you don't go, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what about after? What about when this book goes away?

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<v Speaker 1>You're just going to do nothing. It's like, let me

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy what I've built for myself. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's also a space where women really thrive and women

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<v Speaker 1>make the most money. So that's why it bothers me

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<v Speaker 1>because I feel like it's just an excuse to discount

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<v Speaker 1>that what is something that matters way less in your

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<v Speaker 1>twenties than you thought it would.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've been maybe this is like where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>at in my life right now, but like your love life,

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<v Speaker 2>m M, I think I always. I don't know, I always.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you think of like your twenties as your

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<v Speaker 2>time to like your twenties your time to date around

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<v Speaker 2>and like have fun and stuff. Yeah, I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of emphasis on that, and sometimes or

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like a pressure, like oh, I should have

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<v Speaker 2>had a boyfriend by now, or I should have all

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<v Speaker 2>these experiences under my belt.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought i'd be engaged when I left college.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, I thought I would have met like the

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<v Speaker 2>love of my life by now or all these things.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's something I'm kind of realizing right

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<v Speaker 2>now that it.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be the worst thing that ever happened to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I promise you you don't want to be even close

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<v Speaker 1>to that.

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<v Speaker 2>At this age exactly. So that's maybe like something that

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<v Speaker 2>I think is a bit surprising, because like graduating high school,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, I was away like way in my twenties,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'll have a nice boyfriend and like all that.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think changing kind of my my view

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<v Speaker 2>on that where I'm seeing my twenties more so is

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<v Speaker 2>a time to really like develop strong female friendships and

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<v Speaker 2>friendship period, travel, experience things on my own and not

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<v Speaker 2>like in this, not in a relationship where you like

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<v Speaker 2>have to be compromising and stuff, which like I'll get

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<v Speaker 2>there one day obviously, But yeah, I think that's been

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<v Speaker 2>my biggest surprise, and it's like a good one. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in a moment right now of really enjoying that, like

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<v Speaker 2>enjoying not having it be such a also focus something

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm thinking about all the time, or like working

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<v Speaker 2>towards Oh my gosh, it's really liberating.

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<v Speaker 1>I deeply regret having a boyfriend for so much of

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<v Speaker 1>my twenties. I was in a really long relationship six years,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was such a mistake. No offense to him,

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<v Speaker 1>he's so sweet, but no, I know it was such

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<v Speaker 1>a huge mistake. There was I could have been figuring

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<v Speaker 1>out my career. I could have been figuring, I could

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<v Speaker 1>have been moving, I could have been traveling, I could

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<v Speaker 1>have been doing so so, so so many things, and instead.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like sitting on the couch watching TV with

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<v Speaker 2>him and liked, the thing is like, you don't even

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<v Speaker 2>realize it, but so much of your energy goes into that,

0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.040
<v Speaker 2>so much of your energy, and it's a lot of

0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.119
<v Speaker 2>like mental they take up so much mental space. And

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<v Speaker 2>at this stage and you're like in your twenties, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you should be reserving that for your own projects

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<v Speaker 2>and like figuring out who you are on your own.

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<v Speaker 1>I gained like fifty pounds in that relationship. I was

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and seventy five pounds, and it was because

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<v Speaker 1>I was so it was the biggest I've ever been

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<v Speaker 1>in my entire life. It wasn't even natural to like

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<v Speaker 1>my body, like I could eat the same way now

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<v Speaker 1>and I wouldn't look like that because I was. And

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<v Speaker 1>I did not enjoy it, and I was so anxious,

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<v Speaker 1>and I felt like what am I doing with my life?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I want to marry this person. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what I want to do with my career.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm spending so much time with him, like all

0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.040
<v Speaker 1>we do is just like hang out, and we just

0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:14.960
<v Speaker 1>sit around and hang out and hang out, and the

0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.320
<v Speaker 1>hangouts and never end. And I just was like, what

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<v Speaker 1>is the point of this? And now looking back, I

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<v Speaker 1>still am filled with the same feeling of just like,

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<v Speaker 1>why did I waste all of those years? I just

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<v Speaker 1>thought I had to have a boyfriend because I was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four. I just thought you had to.

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<v Speaker 2>But you definitely learned a lot about yourself through that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's like the silver lining. Yeah, I think I'm such

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<v Speaker 2>an intense person and so in relationships, like for me, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just all consuming. It's really the exact same way.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the exact same way, and I just don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like that's a priority for me right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And good for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's taken me a minute to get here, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I advocate for that so much and I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's the cheesiest thing in the world. But now that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm older, I've realized that the more you know yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and the more you know what you struggle with, what

0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.120
<v Speaker 1>you're good at, all of those things, you're a.

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<v Speaker 2>Way better partner, way way way Wait, I mean, how

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<v Speaker 2>can you be like an incredible partner when you don't

0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.960
<v Speaker 2>know yourself? Yeah, then you end up like molding into

0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.120
<v Speaker 2>what that person needs. So yeah, that's probably my biggest

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<v Speaker 2>surprise in my twenties that I'm actually like wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>be writing solo.

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<v Speaker 1>Love that freely is there anything that matters more than

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<v Speaker 1>you expected.

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<v Speaker 2>I am very family oriented, but I obviously travel so

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<v Speaker 2>much and don't spend that much time at home anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, it surprised me how much I'm like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>actually I need to make this a priority and like

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<v Speaker 2>missing my parents all the time and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, I always imagine, like you hit

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<v Speaker 2>your twenties and like you're ready to leave the home

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<v Speaker 2>and be away. Maybe that's like been a bit surprising,

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<v Speaker 2>not because I obviously love my parents, my sister and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>but how much harder it is than in theory to

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<v Speaker 2>like leave the home even though it's what I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing. Maybe that's like something a bit surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>That's sweet, and I feel like that's an important priority.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it took me a long time to realize. It's like, oh,

0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:01.360
<v Speaker 1>your parents aren't around.

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<v Speaker 2>Forever truly, And actually, I think one of my biggest

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<v Speaker 2>realizations last year. And I was talking about this with

0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:11.760
<v Speaker 2>my mom because I was reading Rachel Cusk's A Second

0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Place and she writes a lot about like motherhood and

0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:17.520
<v Speaker 2>relationships with like mother daughter relationships and stuff like that.

0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.760
<v Speaker 2>And in the book, it's fictional, but they talk about

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<v Speaker 2>how when your children become adults, it's no longer like

0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:28.920
<v Speaker 2>a mother daughter relationship in the same way. You're more

0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.639
<v Speaker 2>like equals and you have to reade find the relationship everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And my mom and I went on a trip this

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<v Speaker 2>summer where we were talking a lot about how we're

0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:38.040
<v Speaker 2>like getting to know each other all over again, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not just like a little kay. Yeah, So I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what I'm finding cool about my twenties right now,

0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.040
<v Speaker 2>is getting to know my parents in a different way.

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.639
<v Speaker 2>And of course they're always going to be my parents,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know, it's nice to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about things I would never have thought I would

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<v Speaker 2>ever talk about with my mom. When I was in

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<v Speaker 2>high school. I was always such a reserved kid, like,

0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.479
<v Speaker 2>didn't really share much with my parents about anything, And

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<v Speaker 2>now like my mom is who I call like after

0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:08.360
<v Speaker 2>anything happens. So that's a really really lovely surprise. Actually,

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, that's so cute. I love that and

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:11.520
<v Speaker 2>very true.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I feel like that relationship with your mom

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<v Speaker 1>is like, is very important and very important as you

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<v Speaker 1>get older the most.

0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 2>And I've always was kind of scared because I would see.

0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Some of my friends have amazing relationships with their mom,

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<v Speaker 2>like starting very young, sharing everything, and I was always like,

0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:28.919
<v Speaker 2>I just found it so hard to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like there's always a chance, Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>always an opportunity, Like you said, as I'm older, it's

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.679
<v Speaker 1>a completely different thing. So maybe it wasn't the best

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:38.280
<v Speaker 1>when you were five, Maybe it wasn't the best when

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<v Speaker 1>you were ten, Maybe it wasn't the best when you

0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:40.840
<v Speaker 1>were fifteen. That doesn't mean it can't be the best

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<v Speaker 1>when you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty five, exactly.

0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 1>There's like a time for it, you know. Yeah, and

0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it changes and.

0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.479
<v Speaker 2>Evolves you grow up and then you realize, wait, actually

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 2>this is a really spy.

0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 1>There were so many things that were like hills I

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 1>was willing to die on, and things with my parents

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 1>that I was willing to fight over or stand by

0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:58.280
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Now that I'm older, I'm like, it's not important.

0:23:58.640 --> 0:23:59.640
<v Speaker 1>It's really not important.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it just changes. That's really good. That's great advice

0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 1>for younger girls, especially anybody listening, like maybe that's a

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:08.439
<v Speaker 1>teenager or and they're very very early twenties, is that

0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:10.919
<v Speaker 1>there's still time and that that relationship changes.

0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:11.959
<v Speaker 2>It's always changing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what is something you would say to someone in

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:16.360
<v Speaker 1>their twenties who feels like everyone has it figured out

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:17.159
<v Speaker 1>except for them?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. I have this conversation all the time

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:22.880
<v Speaker 2>with my sister. She's twenty one turning twenty two, okay,

0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and there's just so much pressure. And I think too,

0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.159
<v Speaker 2>with social media, you always feel like you're seeing LinkedIn.

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 2>LinkedIn is like the devil for like young people. I think, oh,

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm not the devil, sorry, but like it's just it's

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:37.160
<v Speaker 2>so anxiety and TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wait, this girl's twenty four and she owns

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:41.720
<v Speaker 1>her own apartment. How does she own her apartment. I'm

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:43.160
<v Speaker 1>in my thirties, I've own an apartment.

0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like social media has just I think exacerbated that

0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:49.480
<v Speaker 2>anxiety related to having to be successful like so young

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:53.480
<v Speaker 2>is know what you want so young and expecting everything

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.879
<v Speaker 2>to happen so quickly, which is just not the case

0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.920
<v Speaker 2>for like the majority of people. But it's hard to

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.199
<v Speaker 2>when you go online and that's all you see. So

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I think I always tell my sister, like, remember the

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:08.399
<v Speaker 2>people who are around you and like what they're doing

0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:10.840
<v Speaker 2>and get excited about the fact that there are so

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 2>many possibilities, Like the opportunities and the possibilities are endless.

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 2>You're so young, you still have time to try so

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:24.280
<v Speaker 2>many things. My biggest thing, too, is pick up a hobby,

0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:25.960
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's something that a lot of people

0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 2>struggle to find or to do because you get home

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 2>from school or from work and all you want to

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:32.640
<v Speaker 2>do is just lay in bed on your phone because

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:35.240
<v Speaker 2>it's like easy and it feels good for a little bit,

0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah. I just feel like people don't have

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:40.360
<v Speaker 2>as many hobbies anymore, and that I include myself in that.

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Like a big goal for me this year is to

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.560
<v Speaker 2>pick up hobbies. So I'm like taking piano lessons, and

0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 2>even then I'm like I don't. Sometimes I wake up

0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like I don't want to go to a

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 2>piano But I'm like, no, Like I have to be

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 2>doing this, And I think through that you'll you'll figure

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:54.159
<v Speaker 2>out what you like. You'll figure out.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a pottery class, like a four week pottery

0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:59.119
<v Speaker 1>class starting in a couple of weeks at my friend,

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 1>one of my best friends, like pushed me to do

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:02.359
<v Speaker 1>because I was saying the same thing. I was like,

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I need a hobby. I don't play sports, I don't

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:06.919
<v Speaker 1>like I go to the gym or and I do yoga,

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and I consider yoga to be one of my hobbies.

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I love it and it fulfills me. But I'm like,

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 1>it's only an hour, and then I just like, I

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:14.840
<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily feel like I'm learning anything at this point.

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of just like stretching and thinking about the

0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>same thoughts that I'm always thinking. I'm like, I need

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 1>something new, and so We're going to do pottery, and

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:23.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited about it, and I'm like, what happened

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 1>when people used to do things?

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly?

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 1>When did that end?

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<v Speaker 2>I just because I don't know. I hang out with

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 2>my sister and then I have like her friend group,

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 2>and I'm around like younger people a lot, and I

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:36.239
<v Speaker 2>hear it all the time. It's like I don't know

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:37.640
<v Speaker 2>what I like and I don't know what I feel

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:40.520
<v Speaker 2>the same, and it's like, but you're not trying anything, yeah,

0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, of course there's some people that they try

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.680
<v Speaker 2>something and it works right away, but most people actually don't.

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Like I think of our parents too. My dad had

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<v Speaker 2>like a bunch of jobs, quit a bunch of stuff

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:53.119
<v Speaker 2>before he found what he likes to do. You know,

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 2>so you can't get defeated too easily. But it's better

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:00.119
<v Speaker 2>to be doing something than.

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:02.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think everybody needs to be writing. I used

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 1>to write so much when I was younger and now

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 1>because nobody me sound old. But then with the Internet,

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't physically write down anything. I'll start

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 1>writing a couple paragraphs and get a handcramp. But I'm like,

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I used to write pages and pages and pages. I

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>can't even write a few paragraphs now, and it's because

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.480
<v Speaker 1>you're just not People don't physically write anything anymore. And

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>so I'm like journaling just like writing things. I'm like,

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 1>just physically write stuff to just like a get it

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>out of your head and be turn that into a hobby.

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Turn just writing things down into a hobby, even if

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like writing what you see, because I'm like, you

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 1>need to physically be writing things.

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I completely agree. I'm like such a what is it

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 2>proponent for writing? For journaling? Honestly, I feel like the

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 2>most introspection I've done, the most growth I've done has

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:49.600
<v Speaker 2>been through writing in my journal and like facing my

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:53.159
<v Speaker 2>thoughts and stuff I completely completely agree. I'm like, no,

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 2>and I think in my friend group for gifting people journals.

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a really sweet gift. That's when my best

0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>friend got me for my birthday and I chaerishit.

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think everyone should have one, and I completely

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 2>agree that that will help you figure out what you

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 2>like and get to know yourself better.

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Or like too attached to other people. It's freaking me out.

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 1>It's just freaking me out. It's really like a weight

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 1>in my life right now, is God. It's just like

0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know how to think for myself and

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:20.679
<v Speaker 1>everyone no one's thinking for themselves. What has mattered for

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 1>you more career wise consistency, instinct or your creativity?

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Definitely my creativity. Wait, what do you mean by instinct.

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Like just following what you think is right, following your

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>gut or just going for it and just being consistent.

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely like instinct in creativity. I think starting on

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 2>YouTube too, I've always been more of a like how

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 2>do you say slow media long form girl, which consistency

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 2>wise makes it a little bit harder because it takes

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 2>more time. But I've always I always prioritize putting out things.

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 2>I feel proud of and happy about over consistency.

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>And I know that's good advice because I don't think

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 1>that's necessarily what a lot of people do, especially these

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>days it's more more and more and more and more.

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I do feel bad sometimes when I'm

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>not consistent, though it's kind of part of the game.

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know, yeah, But honestly, I just it's

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 2>like against everything I stand for to put something out

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 2>that I don't feel like I've done right. And I am.

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 2>I am a perfectionist. I'm trying to be less of

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 2>one because I do think it stands in my own way,

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 2>but especially with my videos, because I edit and it's

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 2>like my style of editing and everything. It takes time

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 2>and for me, yeah, it's like a little short, little

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 2>movie vibe. I don't know. I want to feel really

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 2>good about it when I put it out. Yeah, No,

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>always quality over quantity.

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like being creative for a living and

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 1>turning it into a job has made you more or

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>less connected to your creativity?

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 2>It actually took me so long to monetize my platforms,

0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>partially because I was in school and so it wasn't

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 2>a priority, and for me, it was like kind of

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 2>a fun side hustle. Even the past couple of years

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 2>where like I got an agent and started doing more

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 2>paid stuff. I've been in school, so it's always I've

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 2>always viewed it as like something fun, kind of my hobby.

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Only recently I see it really as a career because

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 2>it's like taking up more of my time. Wait, what

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 2>was the question?

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like being creative for a living has

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 1>made you more or less connected to your creativity?

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I think I lead my creativity even when we work

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 2>with brands and briefs and stuff. It's so important that

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm able to keep my creative freedom and like my

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 2>being able to have a concept that aligns with I

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know my aesthetic and my what people will what

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>I know people will enjoy. Yeah, I think my goal

0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 2>going into any paid thing is hopefully it's not it's

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>something that if you're watching you're like, oh, yeah, this

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 2>makes sense, Like I would watch this even if it

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 2>wasn't or I would make this even if it wasn't

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 2>sponsored kind of thing.

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.959
<v Speaker 1>What's something creatively you haven't done yet that you're craving

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>to do.

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 2>I feel like this year I'm working on quite a

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 2>few things that are like new and exciting. For example,

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm designing my first collab collection that's incredible, super fun,

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 2>and that's such a dream come true.

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 1>It really loves that.

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Really is yeah, and it's coming out.

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I say, if I know your dreams, but it's like

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>it's very influencer's dream come true is to like get

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>to actually create something and not just constantly be pushing

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>someone else's stuff exactly put yourself into.

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 2>It, and also just to explore that side of the

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 2>or of the fashion industry and kind of see how

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 2>it works. Is it's been so fun and being able

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 2>to design pieces and oh, I can't wait to see it. Yeah,

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 2>it's super fun and colorful and bury me. So that's

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 2>been such so incredible. And then thinking of things I

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 2>haven't done yet, I think leaning more into writing and

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 2>like substock personal essays, which I've never written before, but

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm like that's the next step for me

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 2>to kind of play around with that.

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.479
<v Speaker 1>It's really fun. It's really really fun. It's it can

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 1>be daunting, but it's it's really fun and I feel

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>like it. Like I said, the people are just so

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>receptive to it that I don't think you could have

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 1>like a more beautiful place to do it. Like people

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>are just so positive on there. I really love it. Yeah,

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>what advice would you give to girls who feel creative

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>but don't know where to start exploring their creativity. I'm

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>one of those people. I'm so not a creative and

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 1>it is like the biggest hindrance in my life is

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>that I'm just not creative. My mom is the most

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 1>creative creative, not at all. My mom is the most

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 1>creative human I've ever met. My sister, Like, you could

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 1>hand them anything and they would turn it into like

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful project. I would like stack it straight up

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 1>into a line and be like it's a perfectly straight line.

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Look at this. That's how my brain is.

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 2>But I actually see creativity kind of differently. I think

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 2>where I think everyone's creative and that creating isn't necessarily

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 2>like being good at drawing, Like being creative isn't necessarily

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 2>being good in the arts. It's like you could be

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>super smart in maths and like coming up with formulas,

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's being creative, you know, because you're creating something.

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 2>So I think a lot of people convince themselves that

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 2>they're not creative and that stands in their way because

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, but I'm not built for this. And

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 2>I think growing up I did that a lot where

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm good at science and i'm good

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 2>at math, but I'm not good at drawing. I'm not

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.160
<v Speaker 2>good at painting, so I'm not creative. Like that's just

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 2>not for me. The arts aren't for me. And then

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 2>I went to school and I studied environmental science, which

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I really did.

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Enjoy, but it was so my sister studied really.

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah awesome, like it's a great, great program, but I

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 2>wasn't passionate. And then I took one English course where

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 2>we had to write, and my teacher was like, you

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 2>should pursue this more and I was like, Okay, that's

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>the push I needed to then eventually study English in college.

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 2>And all to say that, I think there is this

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>like conception of creativity that you know, associates it with

0:33:56.280 --> 0:34:00.040
<v Speaker 2>a very specific type type of creation. Yeah, yeah, I

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>think all of us are creative in our own ways.

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 2>And again it goes back to just trying stuff, like

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe it's picking up an instrument, or maybe

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>it is drawing, or it's writing or even like event planning.

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like it can be anything anything, and

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 2>maybe you're really good with like organization and logistics and

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:22.839
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing, well, then lean into it. When

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.319
<v Speaker 2>I say event planning, that's kind of what comes to mind,

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 2>like more logistical, that's still creative. Yeah, So like don't

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 2>limit yourself and also do it for yourself. I think

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of like feeling like you have to

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 2>create stuff and then share it with the world. But

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 2>I think when you're not really sure what you like doing, like,

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 2>don't put that pressure on yourself. I think a lot

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 2>of the creating I did, like before being on social

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:51.720
<v Speaker 2>media and stuff, was like in my room, in my journal,

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:54.879
<v Speaker 2>ugly stuff. I would I've created a lot of bad

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 2>stuff before I could create things that I liked. You know.

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 1>I like that advice because I do feel like everything

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 1>we do feels like it's supposed to be consumed and

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to be shared, and like nothing I feel

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>like nothing I do is private. Nothing I do do

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 1>I keep to myself. So that's really good advice of

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 1>just like create something. Maybe it'll bring the fund back

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>into creativity. I see being creative as like a stressor

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the idea of going to an art class and like

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>to stress me even my pottery class. I'm like, what

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>am I gonna make? Oh my god, Oh my god.

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:22.919
<v Speaker 1>It's like stressing me out because I'm like, I'm gonna

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 1>make a mug and then I'm gonna go back the

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>next week. I'm gonna make another mug. But I don't

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>know I know how to make a mug or bowl.

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.359
<v Speaker 1>And it's like the idea of being creative stresses me out.

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 1>So I guess like it doesn't have to be for

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 1>anybody but yourself is very good advice, and maybe don't

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:47.280
<v Speaker 1>go into it to give it to somebody else to consume. Yeah,

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 1>has your relationship with fashion changes you've gotten older and

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>grown more into yourself.

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes, definitely. I mean I definitely had a moment. I think,

0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 2>especially with the rise of TikTok, like trends became so

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:03.720
<v Speaker 2>much more or intense. I don't know, it was like fast,

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:05.880
<v Speaker 2>how do you say? There was a trend one week

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 2>and then the next it was oh yeah, like turnover,

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 2>fast turnover. So I definitely bought into that for a

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 2>bit and then realized, Okay, this is like really not

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:14.320
<v Speaker 2>for me.

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:18.799
<v Speaker 1>It's like a giant manipulation. Now they're just like manipulating

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:21.760
<v Speaker 1>us into buying stuff by like making malgorithm push more clothes,

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:23.240
<v Speaker 1>and it's like they're tricking us.

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 2>No. I like, look back at photos from that period

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 2>of my life, I'm like, that was just not me

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>at all. But so I've definitely had phases like that,

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:35.680
<v Speaker 2>and I think post Exchange, post living in Denmark, I

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 2>learned a lot about the concept of personal style and

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 2>what it means to just like dress for yourself. Now

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get a place where I like a

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 2>mix of comfort, like classic with a little pop. I'd say,

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:51.280
<v Speaker 2>like that's my style, like a little pop of color

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 2>or like a fun accessory. But I really dress for

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 2>myself and I just wear what I feel confident in,

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:01.360
<v Speaker 2>like to if I have a shirt or something that

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:03.280
<v Speaker 2>doesn't fit in a way that I like, it's gone.

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't try to make anything work that doesn't feel

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>good on my body. I think that's the.

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Main Another piece of great advice. Wow, you're the advice queen.

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 1>You're just killing that is another great piece of advice.

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Don't try to force it, just get rid of it.

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. I for I'm kind of a hoarder,

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm very attached to things that I like, but

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 2>like things that are so random, Like I have literally

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 2>three but this is a good thing, But I have

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 2>like three boxes in my closet of cards.

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm a card sall sentimental.

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:32.799
<v Speaker 2>But as we should. Yeah, but yeah, I find it

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:34.439
<v Speaker 2>really hard to like go of clothing. And my mom too,

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:36.360
<v Speaker 2>is like, don't get rid of anything because like, you

0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:37.959
<v Speaker 2>never know, in ten years you might love it again.

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 2>But for me, especially with like trying to fit into

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.839
<v Speaker 2>clothing that I used to wear, that was like, yeah,

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:48.720
<v Speaker 2>very triggering. So I'm like, if it doesn't fit, it's gone.

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:49.280
<v Speaker 2>It's gone.

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>I've been doing that. Any jeans, I'm like, I don't

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:54.319
<v Speaker 1>even care if they're three hundred and fifty oarsar jeanes.

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you know what, if you don't fit me,

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>you're gone, because all I'm gonna do is obsessed about

0:37:57.480 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the fact that I can't button these anymore. And you've

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 1>gotta go, Yeah, gotta go. Exactly what did the next

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 1>five years look like for you creatively and for your career?

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 2>This is actually such a hard question.

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to hear. I'm curious what you want the

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 1>next five years.

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Real quick, I think, being I still consider myself in

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:17.239
<v Speaker 2>my post grad era, even though I graduated almost a

0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 2>year ago.

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm in my thirties on post grad.

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm no literally. So the next step for me

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 2>is leaving my home town. I still live at home

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 2>with my family, so it's like I do feel a

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.319
<v Speaker 2>little bit stagnant in that way because I go home

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:35.320
<v Speaker 2>and I just feel like I'm at the same place

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 2>I was five years ago.

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:40.520
<v Speaker 1>That's my biggest Any friends that I have that still

0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 1>live in our hometown, I'm like, are you need to go?

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 1>We are too old for this, Like you need to

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 1>get out, You're at the perfect age, Like this is

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:48.879
<v Speaker 1>the time to go.

0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 2>It's how I feel, and I think most of my

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 2>friends feel the same way. So we're all like leaving.

0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:55.239
<v Speaker 2>So when I go home, it does feel a little

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:58.800
<v Speaker 2>bit empty anyways. But in order for me to even

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 2>imagine what five years or what my life will look

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:04.359
<v Speaker 2>like in five years, I feel like I just need

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:06.680
<v Speaker 2>to be living somewhere else. So that's the first step.

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm do you know where you want to go?

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I'm moving to London.

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, that's going to be

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 1>so amazing. That's a yeah. God, that's so brave. That

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.320
<v Speaker 1>is brave. Yeah, I in the best way.

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 2>I've lived in Copenagen a couple of times throughout the

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 2>years and loved it. I really like being in Europe

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 2>where it's like you're close to everything, and I like,

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I feel like people are just cool

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 2>and so many internationals stuff like that. I did consider

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 2>in New York for a second too. I don't know,

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I just felt called to the city and I haven't

0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:42.799
<v Speaker 2>spent that much time there, but I think I will

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 2>really enjoy it. And there's such a huge creative yes space,

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 2>so much.

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Great culture and music and oh my gosh, that's going

0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:55.720
<v Speaker 1>to be fantastic fashion. Yeah, I am so jealous.

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:57.400
<v Speaker 2>So I'm hoping that, Like I've always.

0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Wanted to do it, but I haven't had the balls

0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:01.279
<v Speaker 1>you should always wanted to. And then I'm like, but

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the idea of just like being in a different country

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 1>than my parents freaks.

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Me out, or like my family freaks me out. You know, yeah,

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, you just try. Yeah. I think everyone needs

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 2>to do that at least once, like live quite far

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 2>from home.

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I love London and I love punk rock music, so

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.359
<v Speaker 1>I really sold that as like a dream of mine.

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm very glad that you're doing that. You're gonna love it.

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I also think that in London, like, I'm

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:24.799
<v Speaker 2>very into the editorial world. I love magazines obviously, love

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:29.320
<v Speaker 2>of books, and like writing and I'm really I think

0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:32.759
<v Speaker 2>that being in that environment and around all of these

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.839
<v Speaker 2>publications and stuff, hopefully getting my foot in the door

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 2>somewhere will help me figure out what I want to do.

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 2>But I wouldn't be surprised if five years on the

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.839
<v Speaker 2>road I'm working in that industry.

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh you have such an editorial vibe. I could see it. Yes,

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:46.239
<v Speaker 1>you're so chic.

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:48.719
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like the things you were saying, like

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you're very reserved, you're very private, you're very calm, you're

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 1>very well rounded, you're very self assured. These are important

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.239
<v Speaker 1>things in editorial. Okay, I think I would be a

0:40:57.320 --> 0:40:59.720
<v Speaker 1>nightmare and editorial I just like am loud and yappy,

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.439
<v Speaker 1>and I talk so much. I wouldn't thrive. I feel

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:07.320
<v Speaker 1>like you are concise and reserved and intelligent, and I

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 1>feel like those you would really thrive in that.

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 1>It's the world I see it for you. Okay, I

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>love this. So in five years you'll be living in

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:17.879
<v Speaker 1>London working at a magazine, British Folk. You'll be working

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:21.279
<v Speaker 1>at British Folgue. I love this for you. Love What

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of projects are you trying to attract next?

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Definitely in line with what we just spoke about, more

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 2>writing opportunities, whether that's like contributing to a magazine or

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 2>even just starting out with writing my own personal essays

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, like learning how to write more

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:43.879
<v Speaker 2>editorial style because I'm used to more academic papers and like, yeah,

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.439
<v Speaker 2>it's a very vulnerable thing to write in that way.

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, any type of writing project I think is

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:54.400
<v Speaker 2>like my ultimate dream for to do a book. I would.

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<v Speaker 2>I would, Yeah, I would. I could see that like fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I wouldn't write it about myself. I don't think,

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<v Speaker 2>like not like a memoial, you know, that's I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm twenty three, you know, let's chill. But yeah, I would,

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<v Speaker 2>just I think it would be really fun. I think

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<v Speaker 2>my dream too would be to like write come up

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<v Speaker 2>with like a really cool story. Definitely something coming of

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<v Speaker 2>age related or like coming of self as they say,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm so into that genre and then and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have such great advice, Like I feel like it would

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<v Speaker 1>be great, Like you have such a You're only twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>but I feel like the way you look at it

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<v Speaker 1>is so reflective that I feel like even now, like

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<v Speaker 1>you could write something about that and girls would learn

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<v Speaker 1>something from it and take.

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<v Speaker 2>Something to thank you. Yeah, Like it would be so

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<v Speaker 2>cool to write a cool story and then also think

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<v Speaker 2>about adapting it to into a screenplay or something, or

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<v Speaker 2>for a film. That is, if I'm thinking like ten

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<v Speaker 2>year plan, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you write it under your name or would you

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<v Speaker 1>want it to be people not know this? That's actually

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:56.680
<v Speaker 1>a great Oh, that's actually I have always wanted to

0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>write a series of fiction books and not put my

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<v Speaker 1>name on it Lemony Snaket style.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I haven't thought about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I there's pros and cons that.

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<v Speaker 2>I know there are. I'm not I wouldn't be opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to it, honestly, because then I feel like you can

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<v Speaker 2>really write whatever, not really think too deeply. I think too,

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 2>if you write under your own name, people sometimes assume

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<v Speaker 2>that you're talking about people. That is my one thing, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to protect people from that. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think it's like good to own it, own

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<v Speaker 2>what you're doing, not try to like especially for me,

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<v Speaker 2>who I Yeah, I'm more shy in some ways when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to that stuff, and like I said, a

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<v Speaker 2>bit reserved with my personal life. But I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a good exercise maybe to be like, actually I wrote this,

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<v Speaker 2>and like be proud of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to like shock people. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, there's books that you love. This dumb girl

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<v Speaker 1>that you hated on the internet wrote these books. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like my dream. What is the best career advice you

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<v Speaker 1>have lived? Not just heard?

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<v Speaker 2>Relationships are really the most important thing in any industry

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you do, which we obviously know, but you could

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 2>be like the best at your job, but if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have good relationships, I don't know if that's like

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<v Speaker 2>I think longevity comes from, like really agree completely, yeah,

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 2>having good relationships with the people you work with and

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 2>treating everyone obviously with respect and stuff. So that's been

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<v Speaker 2>something I've really observed, especially in this industry, where like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel very lucky for like the relationships I have

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<v Speaker 2>and grateful and that's something that will never take for granted.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I have There have been many instances

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<v Speaker 1>where I have accomplished something or gotten something, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>because other people have taken for granted how important strong

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>relationships are, and they're like naive about relationships, and they're

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:58.360
<v Speaker 1>naive about even just events. I'm like, this isn't really

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.279
<v Speaker 1>something for you to have fun, have fun, but this

0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 1>is networking. Like, these relationships matter, and I feel like

0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:05.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people can be very naive as to

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 1>how important the relationships are. And then that person. You

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 1>just never know where somebody's going to go. You never

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 1>know where somebody's going to end up, You never know

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 1>when somebody may think of you, when you might be

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:16.399
<v Speaker 1>top of mind. It really is important, and I feel

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 1>like that's really great advice, especially for girlies that are listening,

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 1>is like, take these relationships very seriously. Yeah, And if

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:25.839
<v Speaker 1>you want to be in social media, build your relationships.

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.359
<v Speaker 1>Build your network. That will do more for you than

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<v Speaker 1>anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And even outside of social media, when I think

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<v Speaker 2>of like, I don't know, if you struggle at school

0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:37.319
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, like grades are something that you that

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:41.600
<v Speaker 2>are hard. Relationships, I trust me relationships will make up

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<v Speaker 2>for that. If you're personable and you're someone that people

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy having around, like, don't underestimate that it is like

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<v Speaker 2>such a superpower.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I agree. I love that advice. Okay, if

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<v Speaker 1>you could leave girls in their twenties with one mind

0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>set shift, what would it be? You can wave a

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:00.920
<v Speaker 1>magic wand and everyone, all the girlies listening to young

0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.160
<v Speaker 1>girls can have a shift in their mindset. What would

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:04.279
<v Speaker 1>you want them to shift it to?

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<v Speaker 2>What comes to my mind is something that I feel

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.680
<v Speaker 2>like I struggle with a lot, and that's like spending

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 2>so much time looking at myself in the mirror and

0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:19.160
<v Speaker 2>wishing things were different, things looked different. I think that's

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.839
<v Speaker 2>something I struggle with a lot, and especially with social media,

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 2>where it's like everything's always captured. There's always a photo

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 2>of where I've been and what I've been doing, and

0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:30.719
<v Speaker 2>that's ghost I think for honestly everyone, because even my

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:34.840
<v Speaker 2>friends who aren't like influencers or whatever, it's the same.

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:38.400
<v Speaker 2>And yes, we spend just so much time looking at ourselves,

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:40.840
<v Speaker 2>so much more than I mean, our parents did. So

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I think if I could have, like everyone, like a

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:47.640
<v Speaker 2>huge mindset shift, it would be to spend less time

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:52.359
<v Speaker 2>looking at ourselves and more time just like enjoying our

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:55.400
<v Speaker 2>healthy young bodies. It's like something my mom would say,

0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 2>but actually, like, yeah, just doing less of that, being

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 2>less focused on appearance, I guess, which is really hard.

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:03.680
<v Speaker 1>But.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, we'd all be so much happier.

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<v Speaker 1>Twelve out of ten Advice I love that. Okay, I

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:14.480
<v Speaker 1>make everybody speak something into existence. Speak something into existence.

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 1>It can be career, it can be life. It could

0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 1>even be that you have a great time in London.

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Whatever you want, just speak something into existence here on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. You will this.

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<v Speaker 2>I will be present throughout the rest of the year

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and like make sure to spend Yeah, to just wake

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>up and focus on today is something I'm really working

0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.440
<v Speaker 2>hard on doing and not anticipating things all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm going to be better at being present.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's speaking to existence. That's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's a great one. And I'm speaking into existence

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:51.719
<v Speaker 1>that you are going to thrive in London and you

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 1>are not going to be homesick even once, and you

0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 1>are just going to kill it and you're going to

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:58.959
<v Speaker 1>explore and see the world. Which this is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't even like I have, but I am excited

0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:04.600
<v Speaker 1>for you, and I love seeing people like go out

0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:07.640
<v Speaker 1>into the world and travel and leave their hometowns and

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:09.319
<v Speaker 1>all that. I think that's so beautiful. So I'm so

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:12.359
<v Speaker 1>excited for you. Okay, last question, who do you think

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:14.319
<v Speaker 1>is the ultimate Girl? And why does she Inspare you.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually I have? You know? Yeah? Tell me? Yeah, ultimate

0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 2>a girl like north Star cool, cool, cool, She's just

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:32.080
<v Speaker 2>so smart, honestly the coolest. She's writing a memoir right now.

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:36.280
<v Speaker 2>She's I don't know, she lives in London or Paris.

0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:38.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm not really sure, but she's just she's probably back

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:43.200
<v Speaker 2>and forth, yeah, back and forth, like she always has

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.879
<v Speaker 2>something to say and is like something good to say,

0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, she adds to so many conversations. And yeah,

0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:53.520
<v Speaker 2>she's just the coolest, the coolest, and she's incredible style.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's my ultimate A girl.

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Fabulous answer. I love that answer. Do you want to

0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:02.239
<v Speaker 1>shout out your socials real quick? Where can we find

0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>you everywhere?

0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:05.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm Ava medus Eva with any.

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<v Speaker 1>God, I'm so jealous you have the same thing everywhere.

0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get my user names. Oh no, I've to

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<v Speaker 1>hit my stupid middle initial. I'm at Bailey t Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>and we are at It Girl the series. Thank you

0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 1>so much for joining us. This was so great. You

0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:21.120
<v Speaker 1>have such great advice. You are so well rounded and

0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:25.239
<v Speaker 1>well spoken. I loved having you and stay tuned next

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<v Speaker 1>week for another It Girl Girl