1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: How does a beautiful young girl who has just ordered 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: a designer wedding gown end up debt shot dead and 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: her parents driveway? What a twisted turn of events? Crime 4 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 5 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,319 Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our friends at 6 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: CBS Pittsburgh. It was Mother's Day night, just before eleven 7 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: o'clock when al Equippa police got a nine one one 8 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: call about shots fired on Buchanan Street near Broadhead Road. 9 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: They found thirty three year old Rachel del Tondo outside 10 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: her home in the driveway. She had been shot several times. 11 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: Neighbors say they heard as many as ten to twelve shots. 12 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: Family members say del Tondo was returning home from getting 13 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: ice cream with a friend when she was shocked. It's 14 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: very sad. You have a very quiet, very quaint neighborhood. 15 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: The al Quippa name gets thrown out there a lot, 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: and it should not. This was a very nice, quiet neighborhood. 17 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: And to have this invade any family as sad, you 18 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: know that sheds a whole new light on it. Another 19 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: wrinkle to be discovered and figured out. Multiple shots, It's 20 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: not like a an accident drive by. This girl was 21 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: targeted with me an all star panel. Ashu Willcott, judge 22 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: and trial lawyer, Court TV anchor. You can find her 23 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: at Ashe Wilcott dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanist joining 24 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: us out of Beverly Hills. You can find her on 25 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: Instagram at doctor Bethany Marshall. James shell Nutt twenty seven 26 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: years Atlanta Metro major Case swat Now lawyer, Joseph Scott Morgan, 27 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, an author of Blood Beneath 28 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon and special guests joining us. John Paul, journalist, 29 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: founder of How do I pronounce it correctly? I don't 30 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: want to mess this up, John Paul, Beaver County en 31 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: dot com The Beaver County Okay. I can't believe I 32 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: got it on the first drive. But first to Joseph 33 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, there's a big difference, and I 34 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: may have to go to our shrink, doctor Bethany Marshall 35 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: on this. When somebody is shot once, like in a 36 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: bar fight, I just always use that example. And somebody 37 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: that's shot multiple times seemingly it's not necessarily a drive by, 38 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, because with a drive by, you don't think 39 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: of the person who's stopping and shooting. A drive by 40 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: is more like a high and bye, you're dead, but 41 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: multiple shots is an entirely different scenario. Joseph Scott Morgan. Yeah, 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: that can go to kind of two states of mind, Nancy. 43 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: You can have an individual that's unfamiliar with weapons that 44 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: will just fire in a rapid succession, particularly with a 45 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: semi automatic handgun, where it's ejecting the shells immediately. Or 46 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: you can have an event where an individual much like 47 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: a much like an over kills with a stabbing or beating, 48 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: where they just keep firing and firing and firing and firing, 49 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: and one of the singular motivations is that they're very 50 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: angry at that point in time. So you've got those 51 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: two things to kind of choose from them. Also, when 52 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: you think of a drive by, you think of somebody 53 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: just Willy Neely bam bam, bam bam. If you hit 54 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: your target multiple times, and I mean even more than once, 55 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: that means you have stopped, you have aimed kind of 56 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: sniper ish at this particular person. That is a much 57 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: more complex crime you know, I was mentioning to you 58 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: about Rachel Deltondo having ordered a wedding dress. I want 59 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: to go to a discussion of that, because, as it 60 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: turned out, that became centerpiece of the investigation, the ordering 61 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: of the wedding dress. But who is her fiance? Take 62 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at CBS forty eight hours. 63 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: I've known her since we were kids. Rachel was dating 64 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: a wonderful young man. Crank was engaged, but they both 65 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: agreed to break up with a significant others and came together. 66 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: They quickly became al Equippa's eight couple. Frank the son 67 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: of a retired police officer, was building an empire and 68 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: trucking cable and energy, so successful that a local online 69 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: magazine dubbed Kadropa the Wolf of al Equippa. Rachel was 70 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: a teacher with a soft heart who liked to help 71 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: troubled students and at first were you happy with the relationship? Yes, 72 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: Frankie was generous. What drew you to her? Obviously, she's 73 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: a pretty girl. She's nice, genuine, big hearted. She was 74 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: a good girl. In love with Rachel. Yeah, one time, 75 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: I was absolutely you're hearing Frank the fiances had to 76 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: deal with the murder of Rachel Deltondo. But now let's 77 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: get to the designer wedding dress. Take a listen to 78 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: again to our friend Aaron Moriarty. Wedding plants commenced immediately, 79 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: and so did a Shakespearean battle over who was running 80 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: the show. You know how you get engaged and you 81 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: let the woman take over. Frank, you didn't want to 82 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: do that. He was in charge of banner everything. Want 83 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: to go to the hall, wanted to see the flowers, 84 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: wanted to I mean, if he could have saw her dress, 85 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: he'd be happy. There was just a lot of outside 86 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: interference with some of her family, particularly her mom. Yes, 87 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: Lisa bought her daughter a ten thousand dollars wedding dress 88 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: and a pair of three thousand dollars shoes. Never got 89 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: to wear him now brand new. Frank asked for a 90 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: prenuptial agreement, and I said, you know, how do you 91 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: feel about that. She's like, I'm fine with it. I'll 92 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: sign it. I don't want him to think that I 93 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: want him just for his money. But in the end 94 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: Rachel refused. In the end, she refused the pre nup. 95 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: Let's go out to journalist and founder of Beaver County 96 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: and dot com John Paul, John, I want to focus 97 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: right now on that wedding dress. A ten thousand dollars 98 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: wedding dress. Now, ladies don't judge me, but when David 99 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: and I got decided to get married, we decided on 100 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: a Tuesday that we would get married on Saturday. That's 101 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: how that went down. I ordered a wedding dress in 102 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: two different sizes from a catalog and it came just 103 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: in time. I thought about wearing my boots, my cowboy boots, 104 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: which I wore twenty four seven, three sixty five, but 105 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: in the end bowed to peer pressure and got a 106 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: beautiful pair of shoes, gorgeous Jackie at DSW. I think 107 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: that's designer shoe outlet warehouse, right. So I'm having a 108 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: hard time, John Paul, trying to get my mind around 109 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: a ten thousand dollars dress and a three especially at 110 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: three thousand dollars pair of shoes. But the mother, Rachel 111 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: Deltona's mother insisted on it. It was going to be 112 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: a fairytale wedding. Just my first question, John Paul, and 113 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've been asked this yet. What 114 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: pair of shoes cost three thousand dollars. They were designer 115 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: shoes that the mother purchased, and she was proud of them. 116 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean, Rachel Deltano was her only daughter, and she 117 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: was the center of their life, and they adored her, 118 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: and they're kind of a traditional Italian family and this 119 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: was a major milestone, not just in her life, but 120 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: in the life of her parents. And they're not people 121 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: of extraordinary means, and buying the shoes was no doubt 122 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: an extravagance, but I think it was a loving mother's 123 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: way of letting a daughter know that she was proud 124 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: of her. John Paul, John Paul, you're making me think 125 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: of Cinderella and the glass slippers. And to you, doctor 126 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. Just last night, you know my daughter is 127 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: just turned twelve. Well, she went online and she found 128 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: out about a face mask, as if she, at age twelve, 129 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: needs a face mask, and it was like eighteen dollars. 130 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: But I know this is nothing compared to a three 131 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: thousand dollar pair of shoes, But I just want her 132 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: to have the things that she wants. I mean, I 133 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: didn't even know what a face mask was till I 134 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: got out of law school for Pete's sake. But I 135 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: get this mother and the three thousand dollars pair of shoes. 136 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: I get it. Nancy, I get it too. Hey, I 137 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: practice in the heart of Beverly Hills, and I'm thinking, 138 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: oh Lord, what okay? So what brand of shoes did 139 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: the mom get? I can only think Lubutans with Trovski crystals. 140 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: That's I'm sure what she had, and they probably had 141 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: to order them. I'm sure there's no Lubutan that store 142 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: there in Aliquippa. But back to the psychology. When you 143 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: buy a pair of shoes like that, it's not the 144 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: shoes that you're buying. You're buying hopes, and you're buying 145 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: the future. You're buying an idealized life founded on love 146 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: and attachment. And you're thinking about grandchildren, right because the 147 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: mother brought her, brought her the shoes. You're thinking about 148 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: grandchildren in a home. And then all of that is 149 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: cut short. And I think what's tragic is the grand 150 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: and beautiful and poignant nature of the dreams juxtaposed between 151 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: multiple shots in her daughter's chest. Oh, in the driveway 152 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: and in her driveway. In the driveway, time stories with 153 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: Nancy grace. Guys, we were talking about the unsolved murder 154 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: of a young girl planning her way, And as you 155 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: just heard from our new friend John Paul, journalist and 156 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: founder of Beaver County and dot com, the parents were 157 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: by no means wealthy, but this is their only daughter, 158 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: so they go overboard and they buy her a Cinderella 159 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: address for ten thousand dollars and a three thousand dollars 160 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: pair of shoes. When you said, John Paul, their only daughter, 161 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: it just broke my heart. It just broke my heart. 162 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: Joining me, Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, court TV anchor 163 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: and mother of one girl, I happen to know that 164 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: for a fact, like me, Ashley, you know, I would 165 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: never spend that kind of money on myself. Forget it. 166 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: I mean, I get my shoes resold, but for Lucy, 167 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: I might just put it on a credit card. I mean, 168 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: I don't see myself buying a three thousand dollars pair 169 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: of shoes, but I would do something much more extravagant 170 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: for her than I would ever dream of doing for myself. Absolutely, 171 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: that's how we do for our kids. And so while 172 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: it sounds outlandished to think you'd spend that much money, 173 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: you know, keep in mind the description of terms of 174 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: their community, right, and so maybe as a parent, you're 175 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: gonna do whatever it takes to make that day shine 176 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: for your daughter. I think it's extravagant too, But let 177 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: me just mention Clark Howard that I listened to about 178 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: money and spending. Do you know how many parents and 179 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: young ladies take out loans to cover extravagant expenses like 180 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: these because weddings are so important to them. You know, 181 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: it reminds me of senior year. We went on a 182 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: senior trip and I came home and my dad actually 183 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: had tears in his eyes. I mean, they did not 184 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: have this kind of money. And he had bought me 185 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: a car. It was Toyota Corolla Tudor skyblue metallic blue, 186 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: and I just it was the biggest thing that ever 187 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: happened to us, For me to get a car, It's 188 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: just unheard of. And he was so proud what parents 189 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: to do for their children. But then everything went sideways. 190 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at kd KA Pittsburgh. 191 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: This is Marty Griffin. When Rachel got engaged, mom took 192 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: over planning a big time wedding including a nearly ten 193 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollar gown to be handmade by a New York designer. 194 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: There was a custom dress had to be made to 195 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: her measurements. The family put down a deposit of more 196 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: than four thousand dollars that, according to the contract, was 197 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: nonrefundable and non transferable under any circumstances. Lisa del Tondo 198 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: says she got that from day one. I was told 199 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: that this is binding. I knew what this thing said. 200 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: They bought the dress and and Gregory for the bride. 201 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: In doormant Rachel del Tondo was measured. The family put 202 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: down nearly half. It's made to order and there's no 203 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: exchanges and by about no refonds. I understood that. Four 204 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: months after the contract was signed, the wedding was called off. 205 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: Lisa del Tondo called the New York designer to see 206 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: if they had started on the dress and asked for 207 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: a fun I called New York. I did yeah. He 208 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: told me it couldn't be done. Del Tondo says. She 209 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: told the local bridal salon she'd pay the balance and 210 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: take delivery of the dress. I wanted to gown so 211 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: I could sell it. Deltondo says the salon never delivered 212 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: the dress and refused to refund her money, so she 213 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: took the owner two small claims courts. Wow, all this 214 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: the mom is trying to sort through to John Paul, journalists, 215 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: founder of Beaver County and dot com, John Paul in 216 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: a nutshell, And I know you don't run the column 217 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: for the love lorn, But why did they break up? Um? 218 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: I have anything to do with her not signing the prenup. 219 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,599 Speaker 1: I think their relationship had been described to me is 220 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: kind of on again, off again for a very long 221 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: time anyway, So they would they would be real close 222 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: and then they kind of distance and then date. And 223 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: so the lack of signing the pre nump at the 224 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: time I think was an impetus for them to kind 225 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: of break apart some But they continue to see each 226 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: other after that. They continue to date, so it's not 227 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: like they went their separate ways in life at that point. 228 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: And to correct myself something real quick, I might have 229 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: mistakenly earlier said that she was hurt their only child. 230 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: She was their only daughter. They have a son that 231 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: they're also very proud of. Just to be clear, right, 232 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: only daughter, just like me, just like ask you. We 233 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: have one daughter and then all those nasty little boys. 234 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. To doctor Bethany Marshall, 235 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: the reason I'm focusing so much on the fiance is 236 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: because that's who you look to initially in everybody. You 237 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: know what, Sorry, Bethany, let me throw this to James 238 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: shell Nutt, twenty seven years Metro major case swat Now 239 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: lawyer James shell Nutt. No offense to all the husband's ex'es, lovers, 240 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: boyfriends out there. But that's where the investigation has to start. 241 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: Bottom line. That's what you sign up for when you're 242 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: in a relationship. If that significant other goes missing, you're 243 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: the first one police come. So why is that, shell Nutt? Well, 244 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: the reason is is because those other people who often 245 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: commit the crimes against women who come up missing her debt. 246 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: You start as an investigator with the most logical suspects, 247 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: which generally are the people closest to the victim. That's right. Statistically, 248 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: it's overwhelming that the perpetrators typically someone very close to you, 249 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: if not romantically linked. Okay, so the wedding is called 250 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: off and that's not an aspersion on either one of them. 251 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: Weddings are postponed, people turned down engagements all the time 252 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: for very intricate reasons that we may not understand. But 253 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: take a listen now to KDKA Marty Griffin. She took 254 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: the owner two small claims court and it says disposition 255 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: default judgment for plain of court. Papers indicate the salon 256 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: owner did not appear for the hearing. As a result, 257 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: he was ordered to pay the del Tondos more than 258 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: forty six hundred dollars. He had thirty days to write 259 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: us a check or file a pill and he did not. 260 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: He didnither. Salon owner Gregory Jericho in an email he 261 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: told me, December got by me with two deaths in 262 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: the Emily. We will be sending a certified check out 263 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: to Deltondo. Thanks for your efforts. His attorney sent us 264 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: a letter stating, mister Jericho denies that Anne Gregory owed 265 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: any money to miss Deltondo. As she was given the 266 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: purchase contract, had an opportunity to review the terms of 267 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: the contract, which unambiguously advised her that the custom order 268 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: for her bridal gown could not be refunded. The reason 269 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: this is significant to John Paul, founder Beaver County and 270 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: dot Com, it's because the engagement the break off and 271 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: the dress brew haha ends up on local TV with 272 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: one of those consumer report specialists. Is that that true, 273 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: John Paul? The case was featured on the local news 274 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: and everybody in that metro area saw Rachel Deltondo, saw 275 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: the dress and learned the wedding was called off. Is 276 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: it that true, John Paul? Yeah, it was certainly. It 277 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: kind of a I guess a novel to use the 278 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: word at the time, and obviously this is before her murder, 279 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: and you know, novelty is not the word I would 280 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: use anymore, but at the time it was like a 281 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: novelty and something everyone kind of spoke about. And Frank 282 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: Tropa described it as something of an embarrassment at the 283 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: time because he was a successful businessman by any major 284 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: and to have this sort of consumer report feature on 285 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: the local news about disputes over his ex fiance's wedding 286 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: dress was a little humiliating. He said, exactly, so you've 287 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: got all that brewing to doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalyst of 288 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, Bethany, why are we so there's even be 289 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: in a movie Runaway Bride? Remember that? And then when 290 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: what was her name? Jackie Jennifer. I'll think of it 291 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: in a moment. The real runaway bride that took off 292 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: and claimed she was abducted. Blah blah blah. That was 293 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: a big line the night before her wedding. Why are 294 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: we so obsessed with calling off the wedding? The runaway 295 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: bride jilted at the altar? Why? Why? Why do people 296 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: love that so much? I don't get it. I can 297 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: tell you why, because when you have a fairytale wedding 298 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: and you have a princess, you put that person on 299 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: a pedestal, and if you've seen pictures, long brown hair, 300 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: each photo has beautiful makeup, high heels, sequin and bellish dresses. 301 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: So she is a real life, real life princess in 302 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: a very small town. So when we see Prince Charming 303 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: and his bride, we all inject ourselves into the story 304 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: because we want those kinds of lives for ourselves. And 305 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: then when they break up, it sparks all kinds of fantasies. 306 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: For those who are envious, they're happy that they broke up. 307 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: For those who are living through them, they're heartbroken and 308 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: they go digging for clues, and then all kinds of 309 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, urban myths and stories start to swirl around 310 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: crime stories. With Nancy Grace, guys were talking about Rachel 311 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: del Tondo, who had just broken off a very public 312 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: engagement to the it guy in town. It was all 313 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: over the news, the dispute regarding her special made wedding 314 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: dress ten grand made in New York City. The mom 315 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: took it to the local TV consumer specialist and it 316 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: hit the airwaves. What if anything, does that have to 317 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: do with the unsolved murder of this girl Rachel del Tondo? 318 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: And we were talking about with doctor bethany how people 319 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: fixate on other people's romantic problems. You guys, remember when 320 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: Princess Diana and Prince Charles got a divorce. It was 321 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: the news for so long. Remember that, Ashley, Oh gosh, 322 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: are you kidding me? I absolutely remember that. Nancy was 323 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: forever I totally blamed him. I'm thousands of miles away, 324 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: but I was so furious because of everything you learned 325 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: about as affair and everything else. And let's just think 326 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: about all the celebrities that people on Twitter. I mean, 327 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: that's what people do want to talk about forever. And 328 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: then she turns up dead right after this. Okay, take 329 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at CBS forty eight hours. 330 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: This is Aaron Moriarty. Lisa Deltondo was extremely close with 331 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: her thirty three year old daughter, Rachel, was still living 332 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: at home with Lisa and her father, Joe Deltondo. Every 333 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: night she'd come in every night, sit at my bed 334 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: and give me a synopsis of the whole day. That night, 335 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: there would be no bedside report. After supper, Rachel went 336 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: for ice cream with friends, and then just minutes after 337 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: being dropped back home around ten forty five pm, Rachel 338 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: was shot several times at close range. The information I 339 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: have from law enforcement is that they do believe she 340 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: knew her killer. They believe it to be a crime 341 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: of passion. To Joseph Scott, Morgan forensics expert, Professor Forensics, 342 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: jacksonal State and author, let's analyze the same. I know, 343 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, your expertise is forensics. I love that. I 344 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: know you probably think I spent too long on the 345 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: wedding dress, but I had to set up the moment 346 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 1: because all of that matters too. Now you hit me 347 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: with a forensics goat, I gotta tell you, no, I 348 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: think the wedding dress is a fantastic idea, because my god, 349 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: there are certainly motivation, there a lot of anger. But 350 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: from the perspective of the forensics, you know, they mentioned 351 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: that this is a close range event. That means that 352 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: this individual was able to get close to her, and 353 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: they're able to determine range of fire by just saying that. Okay, 354 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: that's where that's coming from. So what we think, or 355 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: what I would think appostulate putting forward is that there 356 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: might be there might be powder and that is unburnt 357 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: gunpowder on her person, and that would put the individual 358 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: within possibly three maybe two feet away from this individual. 359 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: So they're talking about close range. That's significant here, Nancy. 360 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: How was this individual able to get so close to 361 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: her at the side entrance of the house and then 362 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: put this many rounds into her body at that moment? 363 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: How many rounds? How many rounds? I don't know from 364 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: what I've heard thus far. Do we know, John Paul, 365 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: do you know how many times she was actually shot? 366 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: The information for investigators is basically the entire handgun had 367 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: been unloaded into her. Okay, that is rage she is targeted. 368 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: And Joe Scott Morgan is speaking in highly technical terms 369 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: as usual, but What are he's trying to say about 370 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: gunshot powder? Is police say that it was a close range? 371 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: How do you know that if it's point blank a 372 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: shot to the head or the body. You see stipling 373 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: or burn marks where the bullet comes out of the 374 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: gun and it leaves almost like a tattoo on your skin. 375 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: Close range gunshot powder residue g s R. When you 376 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: fire a gun, it goes about can go about thirty 377 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: six inches, which means if they found gunshot residue on 378 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: her on her body, that means the killer was about 379 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: was within thirty six inches to her body based on 380 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: gunshot residue. Right, Joe Scott, Yeah, you're right. And if 381 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: you yeah, and I've heard you use this analogy and 382 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: this is a perfect in the past. Actually, when we 383 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: think about a water hose when you press, when you 384 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: press the nozzle on a water hose in the yard, 385 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: and it kind of spreads out. The further you go 386 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: from the end of that water hose, the further that 387 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: that fount of water spreads out. The same thing with powder. 388 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: You've got a projectile that is the bullet itself firing 389 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: into the body, but you've got all of this other 390 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: debris that comes out of the end of the barrel, 391 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: specifically unburned powder. And the further it's spread out, the 392 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: greater the distance. So after a moment in time, that 393 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: powder is going to fall to the earth. It's not 394 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: very aerodynamic, so it'll fall to the earth. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 395 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: Baby powder is the perfect perfect example with this. I 396 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: urge anybody at home that wants to know how to 397 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: do this, simply put some pal in your hand, standing 398 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: in a well lighted room. I teach me students is 399 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State and blow and you'll see how in 400 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: that moment it'll just disperse into the air, this cloud, 401 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 1: and this deposits on the body and it's superheated many times. 402 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: And when you said tattooing, that's actually what we call it. 403 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: The unburned powder gets beneath the skin and it's embedded 404 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: in there, almost like tattooing. To John Paul, journalists, founder 405 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: of Beaver County and dot com, John Paul, what time 406 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: of the day or night was this? It was at night, 407 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: so yeah, you're being shortly before eleven pm at night 408 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: seven pm and had been out to an ice cream 409 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: parlor with who what friends? Lauren Watkins was the one 410 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: driving the car? And how old was she? She would 411 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: have been seventeen at the time. So were these her students? No, 412 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: so she had friends with younger people, did Okay? That 413 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: just strikes me. It's odd. I don't know why, but 414 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: maybe it's not odd. But she was with two How 415 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: old was the other person? Tyree would have been in 416 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: his twenties, I believed. Okay, so a male and a female. 417 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: The female was driving. For all I know? They were 418 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: previous students? Were they? John Paul? And neither of them 419 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: had ever been her students? Interesting? Interesting to me. So 420 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: as police are digging through this case, trying to figure 421 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: out who, what, where, why, and when information comes to light, 422 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: take a listen about a previous event, CBS forty eight 423 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: hours Aaron Moriarty. According to the report, it was nearly 424 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: two am when Rachel and Sheldon were discovered in her car, 425 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: not eleven PM, as Rachel had said, and not at 426 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: the circle K, but in this abandoned lot. You obviously 427 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: come here not to be seen. You come here to 428 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: not be seen. The police said the windows were steen, 429 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: which made them believe that the vehicle had been part 430 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: for some time, and the passenger seat was fully reclined. 431 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: The report states at Rachel told police that Sheldon was 432 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: once a student of hers and now a friend and 433 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: they were just talking. But it also says she didn't 434 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: want her fiance to know because he would get mad, 435 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: and he was upset about it. He was upset when 436 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: he was about to leave his eyes of the water. 437 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: You know, I was more confused than anything angry. I 438 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that I was angry. Frank was allowed to 439 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: take home that copy of the report, and a day 440 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: or two later someone used it to strike a devastating 441 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: blow at Rachel del Tondo's reputation. Man, I can't believe 442 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: this happened to that girl. To John Paul, journalists founder 443 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: Beaver County and dot com John Paul, wasn't it generally 444 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: proven that Rachel was not making out or having sex 445 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: relations with this younger guy who was a former student. 446 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: They were both clothed when the cops came up to 447 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: the car. The car, Yes, it was two am, and, 448 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: as I love to argue to juries, nothing good happens 449 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: after midnight. Two am and a parked car in an 450 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: abandoned parking lot. But when cops came up to it. 451 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: They were in fact sitting there talking. Do I have 452 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: that right, John Paul? Yeah? They certainly. There were no 453 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: charges filed by police, and their incident report that was 454 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: generated at about a year later doesn't mention any witnessing 455 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: of inappropriate behavior. That being said, Sheldon Jeter's attorney, Michael 456 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: Santa Cola, has said that Sheldon and Rachel had been 457 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: having a sexual relationship since Sheldon had been about fifteen 458 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: or sixteen. That's something that Rachel's family veheently denies, and 459 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: when she was alive, that's something that she had denied 460 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: to me. So even though police approached them and they 461 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: are dressed and they are in fact just talking, there 462 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: was a police report made. The main thing she said 463 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: was don't tell my fiance. This is what we learn. 464 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: Someone anonymously, someone with that police report anonymously emails and 465 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: texts the incident to Rachel's school, the school board, the mayor, 466 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: the media. It's unknown who sent it, although how can 467 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: you not check the IP on the email? And the 468 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: report was sent two days after Frank KaTropa, the jilted fiance, 469 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: receives the report. He claims he didn't do it. Okay, 470 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: what effect did that have on her reputation? To John Paul, journalists, 471 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: Beaver County and dot com. When someone the parents believe 472 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: it was the fiance, emailed out, texted out this report 473 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: to the school board. What happened, Well, you can imagine 474 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: what happened. Happened. She gets suspended from her job. It 475 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: makes fun page news that a teacher was caught in 476 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: a car with a young person, and it was it 477 00:29:43,640 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: was a matter of a most controversy Time stories with 478 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about Rachel Deltondo and what 479 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: happened to her. Her past is extremely important to the 480 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: fact that she was murdered execution style in her parents' 481 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: own driveway ed mushrooms out of control. Take a listen 482 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: to our cut thirteen. Less than a month after she 483 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: was murdered, there were three police chiefs in that Aliquippa 484 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: Police department in the span of one week. Three police chiefs, 485 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: and in fact, the third chief actually handed over the 486 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: investigation to the county Detective's bureau. So that gives you 487 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: a sentence. When you have those kind of distractions, it's very, 488 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: very difficult to focus on an investigation, and in fact, 489 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: Rachel's murder is actually the ninth unsolved murder in that area, 490 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: So people are losing faith in the police department. To 491 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: James Shelnot twenty seven years Metroom major case swat officer 492 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: now lawyer way, Well, I mean, I think I think 493 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: that one of the first things you have to do 494 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: is you have to go back and take a look 495 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: at all the possible suspects in this case and what 496 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: her current relationship was with them. You know, you have 497 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: got an awful lot of people that either need to 498 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: be eliminated or need to have continued investigation. You know. 499 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: The concern that I have at this point in time 500 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: is that there are a lot of missed opportunities. There's 501 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: missed opportunities as far as taking a look at these 502 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: witnesses getting things penned down, and I'm just I'm unsure 503 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: with the state of that department, with how things were handled, 504 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: whether or not they have lost some critical information to 505 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: put them beyond eight ball. You know, to you John Paul, 506 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: founder Beaver County and dot Com, the fact that that 507 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: police report was leaked, it should never have been given 508 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: to the fiance to start with, but it was. Then 509 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: it was leaked. Then her reputation was destroyed, then she 510 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: was gunned down. Why was it leaked? Well, I think 511 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: that's I think that's a very good question. I think 512 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: that's one that investigators would like an answer to. Certainly. 513 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: The other big issue that created a problem for the 514 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: police department is the leak was not just to the 515 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: police report, but it also contains sensitive information from a 516 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: law enforcement only Justice network database that hand and that 517 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: it contained also And if you had that database, what 518 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: could you learn? What good is the database? Well, it 519 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: provided the photographs, driver's license numbers, social security numbers. I mean, 520 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: it was every bit of private information about yourself that 521 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: the police department might have or that the state might 522 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: have that you could imagine, So that that leak was 523 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: much more than just a report. It was a sensitive 524 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: personal information that in state of Pennsylvania it's unlawfuled very sensitive. 525 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: Fancy could I make a comment about yes, jump my 526 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: clinical practice, whenever somebody reports to me that their lover, 527 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: their boyfriend, their friend is threatening to expose them to 528 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: their employer, I always think homicide. That's my first worry 529 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: that crosses my mind, because when you love somebody, when 530 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: you want to marry them, when they are your best friend. 531 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: When you've cherished that relationship. The last thing you want 532 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: to do is cause them to lose their job. The 533 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is be smirched their reputation, 534 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: make them look terrible. But whoever either released that report 535 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: or once it gone into the hands of the fiancee, 536 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: whoever sent it to the school board had simmering hate 537 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: and resentment towards her. They wanted to take her down. 538 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: When you report something negative to somebody's employer, you're not 539 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: thinking about their future anymore. You're cutting their life short professionally, 540 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: and that kind of person might have wanted to cut 541 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: her life short in a drum attic physical way too well, Bethany. 542 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: Less than one month after Rachel was murdered, three police 543 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: chiefs in the span of one week, the last chief 544 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: turn the investigation over to county detectives. Rachel's murder the 545 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: ninth I saw murder in the area, Okay to you, 546 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan and the aftermath of her murder three 547 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: police chiefs. Yeah, it's somebody's covering something up, Joe Scott. 548 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: That's all I can say about that. Something is a way. 549 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: I'd absolutely agree with you. And also to this point. Look, 550 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: I'm a death investigator by trade. That's all I have 551 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: literally ever done, and so it is the single most 552 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: intense investigation from a forensic standpoint that you can conduct. 553 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: If your eyes are not on the ball in a 554 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: case like this and other cases that this department is 555 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: intimately involved with, you're going to miss You're going to 556 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: miss the big picture because you're skipping over the finer details. 557 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: They don't have time to analyze the finer details because 558 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: they're too busy, uh, you know, not being able to 559 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: take care of their own house. Here. This is a 560 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: major problem. It's a huge mass. John Paul found to 561 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: Beaver County in dot com. Why three police chiefs in 562 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 1: the aftermath of her murder? What's happening? Well, the first 563 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: police chief was suspended when a councilman came forward and 564 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: said that he was aware that the chief was the 565 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: subject of a criminal investigation by the state police. Okay, 566 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: what about the second one. The second one was arrested 567 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: by county detectives after he had allegedly sent a pornographic 568 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 1: image to Lauren Watkins, who was the friend that dropped 569 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: Rachel Deltondo off at home. The night that she was killed. 570 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: And then the third chief was the one that eventually 571 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: turned it over to county detectives, and that chief has 572 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: sense passed and they're now chief was at the moment. 573 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: So all of this is stimming out of were connected 574 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: to Rachel del Tondo's murder and it's still unsolved. Okay, question, 575 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: let's hear now, what's happening. Just hours after Rachel del 576 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: Tondo was killed, police weren't Sheldon Jeter's doorstep looking to 577 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: question him, and a search warrant application indicates that that 578 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: visit raised questions. It states that they asked Sheldon for 579 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: the clothing he was wearing that night, and he gave 580 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: them other clothing. That's not how it went down. There 581 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: was a pile of clothes laying on the floor next 582 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: to his bed where he was sleeping. They got up 583 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 1: and side of these as the clothes that you were wearing. Yeah, 584 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: all my clothes are right there, so they scooped it up. 585 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: Sheldon's attorney ins is it's not his client's fault that 586 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 1: the cops picked up the wrong clothes, but the ward 587 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,959 Speaker 1: application also states Sheldon failed to display any emotion when 588 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: he was informed of Rachel's death. That's absolutely untrue. He 589 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 1: was shocked. He was in shock. Lauren Watkins, who has 590 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: known Sheldon since elementary school, says she doesn't believe he's 591 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: capable of murder. She says she never knew Rachel and 592 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: Sheldon to have any type of romantic relationship. Guys, what 593 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: happened to Rachel Deltando? It sounds like a huge miss, 594 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: you know, Askey Wilcott, when you have to hand your 595 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: investigation over to somebody else like here, they handed it 596 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: over to county sheriffs. That's a horrible sign. It says 597 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: to me, something stinks. Oh. I completely agree with you. 598 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: And don't forget a couple of little facts that I 599 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: want to remind everybody about. Number one is the fiance. 600 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: I understood his father was law enforcement at some point. 601 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: The one of the girls that she was ice cream 602 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: with I believe was related to law enforcements. It is 603 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: a tangled web and it's a mess. And let me 604 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: just say this, when you have this much turnover, I 605 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: work for a county, right when you have this much turnover, 606 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: there are bigger issues. You've got major problems. And I 607 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: think the major problem here is people know things and 608 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: are doing nothing about it to solve this murder. The 609 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: murder of Rachel de Altando remains unsolved, her parents still grieving. 610 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: Tipline If You Know Anything eight hundred four PA Tips 611 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: eight hundred four seven two eight four seven seven. We 612 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime Story, signing off 613 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: goodbye friend