WEBVTT - Aftermath

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Wheeler, who we believe was the mastermind of the

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<v Speaker 1>robbery at Chicken Man's House, seemed to have gotten away

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<v Speaker 1>with the perfect heist, but then body started showing up

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<v Speaker 1>dead from Atlanta to New York, Houston. Hammonds was busted

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<v Speaker 1>on another charge, and fast Eddie Parker was nowhere to

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<v Speaker 1>be found, and who had all of the stolen cash

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<v Speaker 1>and jewelry? Had fast Eddie Parker connected with Wheeler and

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<v Speaker 1>split the rest of the take. One thing was certain

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Moten and the Council of Twelve would ultimately retaliate,

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<v Speaker 1>and about the boy's gonna kill him. I'm here, And

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<v Speaker 1>then they always did good. They were investigating, they were

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<v Speaker 1>watching him. You know, my dad was being investigating because

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<v Speaker 1>who's hot on the radar there? I don't app I

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<v Speaker 1>went to people, Now bring me the head of the man.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad said, no, I can't do it. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>do it. My dad didn't want to be involved in

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<v Speaker 1>the Pomasie size from my Heart and Radio and Doghouse Pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>This is fight Night. I'm Jeff Keaton. In the late

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<v Speaker 1>sixties and early seventies, there was a huge influx of

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<v Speaker 1>cocaine and heroin into black communities across the country. Drug

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<v Speaker 1>dealers had plenty of product and money in their possession.

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<v Speaker 1>This would have been a great opportunity for hustlers who

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<v Speaker 1>were stick up guys to rob them. One of those

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<v Speaker 1>stick up hustlers was Richard Wheeler. They called him Cadillac

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<v Speaker 1>Ritchie for his car of choice. We spoke with a

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<v Speaker 1>former girlfriend who wanted to remain anonymous and not be recorded.

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<v Speaker 1>After this story, you might understand why we'll call her

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<v Speaker 1>Easy Trigger. For the case of the story. Easy described

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<v Speaker 1>Wheeler as wildly handsome and that he moved with the

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<v Speaker 1>fluidity of a dancer. She said they met in the

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<v Speaker 1>mid sixties while he was in the Air Force stationed

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<v Speaker 1>in the Pacific Northwest. Wheeler and his friends would take

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<v Speaker 1>their weekend furloughs in Vancouver, Canada, where they met Easy Trigger.

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<v Speaker 1>They reconnected in Harlem a few years later, when Wheeler

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<v Speaker 1>was moving up the gangster ladder. He was into everything

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<v Speaker 1>from the numbers racket to drugs, but his crime of

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<v Speaker 1>choice was armed robbery. He was known simply as the

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<v Speaker 1>stick up man. He liked to hire Vietnam vets as

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<v Speaker 1>his gunners and bodyguards. He frequented high end clubs like

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<v Speaker 1>the Village Vanguard where John Coltrane used to play, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the Plaza nine, which was in the Plaza Hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of his early stick up jobs involved using a

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<v Speaker 1>young woman like Easy Trigger, posing as a prostitute so

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<v Speaker 1>they could gain access to the drug dealer's crib. When

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<v Speaker 1>the dealer would answer the door, Richard would rush in

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<v Speaker 1>the door with a pistol and robbed the place. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the earlier jobs brought in about thirty thousand in cash,

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<v Speaker 1>but after they would split the take, and with the

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<v Speaker 1>way they would blow through the money, they would need

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<v Speaker 1>another job within a week or so. Cadillac Ritchie advanced

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<v Speaker 1>into larger crews and ran hold ups with this top enforcer,

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<v Speaker 1>fast Eddie Parker. Fast Eddie was a killer and kidnapper.

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<v Speaker 1>As we said an episode seven, we think fast Eddie

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<v Speaker 1>was the muscle at the front door of the robbery,

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<v Speaker 1>holding the three fifty seven with a silencer, and we

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<v Speaker 1>imagine he was in charge during the heist. Frank Morten

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<v Speaker 1>said there was nothing Robin Hoodie about these cats. They

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<v Speaker 1>were rough, they took care of people who gave them trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was quite a long list. Easy told me

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<v Speaker 1>about one of the bigger hold up that he and

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<v Speaker 1>his crew staged. They rented a house on Long Island

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<v Speaker 1>and spread the word about a big gambling party. They

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<v Speaker 1>picked up hustlers in New York with cabs and limousines

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<v Speaker 1>and dropped them off at the party house miles away. Unsuspecting,

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<v Speaker 1>these hustlers walked into a hold up. It took under

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<v Speaker 1>an hour to collect all the jewelry and cash Wheeler, Parker,

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<v Speaker 1>and the crew drove away. The hustlers were left stranded

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<v Speaker 1>because no one knew the address. A summer robbery up

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<v Speaker 1>and they prospected. Easy said he would just laugh and

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<v Speaker 1>laugh whenever he was counting all the money and jewelry

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<v Speaker 1>they stole. When Easy asked if he was scared that

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<v Speaker 1>they would retaliate, Richard would just scoff and say, what

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<v Speaker 1>are they gonna do. Richard Wheeler arrived in Atlanta for

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<v Speaker 1>the Aliquary fight with Fireball on the same day as

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Molten. In one interview, chicken Man says that he

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<v Speaker 1>was surprised to see that Richard had one of those

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<v Speaker 1>fancy invitations to the party at his house. My instructions

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<v Speaker 1>from from the people who did or used the house,

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<v Speaker 1>not for me, not to jail nobody that I did

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<v Speaker 1>invite nobody. Chicken Man was picking up Frank Molten from

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<v Speaker 1>the airport and as a favor, gave Fireball and Richard

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<v Speaker 1>a ride to the Biltmore Hotel along the way. According

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<v Speaker 1>to chicken Man, they stopped at the Varsity for some

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<v Speaker 1>hot dogs. While they were there, Richard noted that the

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<v Speaker 1>Varsity would be an easy target for a robbery. So

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<v Speaker 1>when we get to the advisor, du boy was with

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<v Speaker 1>five balls and man helm place to rob seems like

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<v Speaker 1>he had that in his blood in saying this about

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<v Speaker 1>their hometown, Richard piste off chicken Man and Frank Molten.

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<v Speaker 1>They must have said something to Richard about it. Chicken

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<v Speaker 1>Man reported that Richard flew back to New York City

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<v Speaker 1>the day of the fight the fellow that the dimitte

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<v Speaker 1>the apple with Fiba. He came to the house one time,

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<v Speaker 1>he came in, and then the fight he left, and

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<v Speaker 1>he went back to New York and told the people

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<v Speaker 1>even that I know that me and him and had

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<v Speaker 1>some words. Richard Wheeler was still unknown to Frank Molten

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<v Speaker 1>and the Council of Twelve. We tried to piece together

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to him. The night of the robbery. We

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<v Speaker 1>know he was with his girlfriend, Jackie, who we spoke

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<v Speaker 1>about an episode six. She said, after they watched the

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<v Speaker 1>closed circuit showing of the Ali Quarry fight at Madison

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<v Speaker 1>Square Garden, they went to a fancy party at the

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<v Speaker 1>Americana Hotel near Times Square in New York City. Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>remembered plain closed cops and Feds attending the party because

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<v Speaker 1>they got a tip that several mob members be there.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the Feds came up with a flash camera

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get a picture of everyone, and she remembered

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<v Speaker 1>Wheeler ducking down to tie his shoes right before the

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<v Speaker 1>flash went off. Jackie always wondered what the police thought

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<v Speaker 1>when they developed those photos, and it was just her

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<v Speaker 1>big smiling face in the picture. One night, a few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks after the heist, she heard his booming laugh in

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<v Speaker 1>the bedroom. She went to check it out and saw

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<v Speaker 1>a newspaper article about the hold up. Lying on his bed,

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<v Speaker 1>he kept laughing louder and louder, and Wheeler implied what

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<v Speaker 1>he had done. Jackie said it made him laugh the

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<v Speaker 1>loudest when he imagined everybody lying down there on the

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<v Speaker 1>basement floor. A few months after the robbery, Chicken Man

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<v Speaker 1>had cleared his name with Frank Moten and other high

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<v Speaker 1>level gangsters, but the heat from the press the police

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<v Speaker 1>did not go away. As a hustler, being in the

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<v Speaker 1>spotlight is just not good for business, and unfortunately he

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<v Speaker 1>paid a price for even hosting the party. Here's Gordon

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<v Speaker 1>Williams Jr. Talking about the consequences of that event. After

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<v Speaker 1>the fight, after he got cleared, after he convince everybody

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't him, he went back to his business and

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<v Speaker 1>went back to the business of selling a cocaine and stuff. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they were investigating, they were watching him. You know, my

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<v Speaker 1>dad was being investigated because he was hot on the

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<v Speaker 1>radar them. And this is Chicken Man talking about his

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<v Speaker 1>experience at the beginning of nineteen one. So it's the

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<v Speaker 1>months aldo by the January came up. That robbery took

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<v Speaker 1>a toll because I was bussed for cocaine. But the

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<v Speaker 1>funny thing how that happened. I had had a date

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<v Speaker 1>with a girl and I had went in a hotel

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<v Speaker 1>puoting the dust. But of uh, I kept a little

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<v Speaker 1>I said all that with whisky stuff to the hotel room.

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<v Speaker 1>But I got a little what they called a half

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<v Speaker 1>of a smoke marijuana and left it in the hotel

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<v Speaker 1>room in the astray some kind of way. I came

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<v Speaker 1>down read the room about ten o'clock in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to play god. So I go out in

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<v Speaker 1>my car park under the character right from the house

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<v Speaker 1>of the End where is our head told him about

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<v Speaker 1>the State troop pull in. And when the State two

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<v Speaker 1>put in, he was putting me get that cook in

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<v Speaker 1>that car. He whooped her out. So he come out.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this time I do have my congestion from drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>But I took and throw it out the window, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were trying to pull him over, and he took

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<v Speaker 1>the cocaine hole keyload to the cocaine and open it

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<v Speaker 1>and start throwing it and just started trying to empty

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<v Speaker 1>it out the window. The cocaine flew back into the

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<v Speaker 1>window on the back seat of the car. So after

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<v Speaker 1>my dad emptied out the hokey load out, he pulled

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<v Speaker 1>over and he asked me, what what's the problem, afsir,

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<v Speaker 1>And they said, well, you know, we need to step

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<v Speaker 1>out of the car. He said, for what, I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>done anything, And they talked to look at your back

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<v Speaker 1>seat and the back seat was covered with white powder.

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<v Speaker 1>So the police and the record garden shot. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's cocaine at the wood to look like a five

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<v Speaker 1>smoke or something. So that was that hard for the

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<v Speaker 1>dB I to believe because they thought I had I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing that kind of business. Newspaper came out and

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<v Speaker 1>they spoke about the cocaine, but the thought about the

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<v Speaker 1>driving cocaine they associated the bust, the publicity and all

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<v Speaker 1>this they associated with the driving. Several law enforcement agencies

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<v Speaker 1>had been keeping a close tab on chicken Man and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to catch him doing any illegal activities. When they

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<v Speaker 1>finally busted him, it didn't take long for the gavel

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<v Speaker 1>of justice to come down hard I can call it jayware.

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<v Speaker 1>I was about three weeks I'll try and went to Deen.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's that fair, Okay. They wouldn't give me

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<v Speaker 1>a pier bar. Chicken Man was sentenced to seven years

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<v Speaker 1>in the state penitentiary. He served most of that time

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<v Speaker 1>at Stone Mountain Correctional Institute just east of downtown Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Gordon Williams Jr. Talking about how tough the confinement

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<v Speaker 1>was for his father and my mom. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>visit almost every weekend because he's crying for some attention.

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<v Speaker 1>He don't like being incarcerated because my dad is so

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<v Speaker 1>used to go on a time, so he didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of being incarcerated the way he was. When

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<v Speaker 1>he was sentenced, Chicken Man had large red o C

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<v Speaker 1>letters on his prison uniform. They stood for organized crime.

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<v Speaker 1>This confounded him because he never put himself in that

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<v Speaker 1>category of criminals. Chicken Man always thought of himself as

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<v Speaker 1>a hustler. After a few months, he received a surprise visitor, J. D.

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<v Speaker 1>Hudson's partner in the robbery investigation, Detective Joe Amos. I

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<v Speaker 1>am was coming to back and uh, he as, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. There were three of them. That's listen, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to talk to the police period. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they told him say, oh, did you hear about

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<v Speaker 1>the boys getting killed in Brooklyn? As I was board,

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<v Speaker 1>so they showed me to cliply that happened, but they

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<v Speaker 1>showed it to me so as I always had than

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<v Speaker 1>the one to pull the trigger. But since I'm here

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<v Speaker 1>and then Dad, they already did good in all the

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<v Speaker 1>Nie crack. But I spy to suppose I had no

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<v Speaker 1>lot about I didn't talk to him about none of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But after they told me about the boys, I got killed,

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<v Speaker 1>I said bood. Richard Wheeler was one of the empty

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<v Speaker 1>seats at the night, along with Barbara Smith, who never

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<v Speaker 1>got to leave the house. Frank Moten reported at George

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<v Speaker 1>Plimpton that Richard made himself a little too visible at

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<v Speaker 1>a few clubs in New York City that night, even

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<v Speaker 1>attending that closed circuit screening at Madison Square Garden. For Frank,

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<v Speaker 1>this gave him reason to suspect Richard's involvement in the robbery. Furthermore,

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<v Speaker 1>as Plimpton relates in the story, the Black Mafia had

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<v Speaker 1>figured out who was the mastermind and put a hit

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<v Speaker 1>on Richard Wheeler and fast Eddie Parker. That hit fell

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<v Speaker 1>apart when the guy they hired to carry it out

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<v Speaker 1>was killed in a shootout with police in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>The Black Mafia then approached fast Eddie Parker to carry

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<v Speaker 1>out the hit on his boss, Richard Wheeler. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>Richard was living with his girlfriend Jackie. Here's how Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>tells it to George Plimpton. Fast Eddie and another guy

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<v Speaker 1>showed up at Richard's house to help him with an

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<v Speaker 1>errand one morning they all got into a car driven

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<v Speaker 1>by Richards chauffeur, a guy named Stephen. She thinks fast

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Parker sat behind Richard and shot him in the

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<v Speaker 1>head as soon as the car started down the road,

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<v Speaker 1>and that his accomplice shot Stephen in the head as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Dead Stephan plowed the car into a storefront just down

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<v Speaker 1>the street from Richard's house. Fast Eddie Parker and his

0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.480
<v Speaker 1>accomplice jumped into a car they had parked around the corner,

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<v Speaker 1>the very same one that Richard had given fast Eddie

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<v Speaker 1>a week before. In early two police arrested fast Eddie

0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Parker and charged him with the whole string of crimes

0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.480
<v Speaker 1>from Georgia to New York. Jackie and Frank Moten reported

0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.920
<v Speaker 1>that he had several hand grenades in his black bag

0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.600
<v Speaker 1>at the time of his arrest. Early on during his

0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.840
<v Speaker 1>prison term, chicken Man was able to leave the prison

0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:05.520
<v Speaker 1>for work. Details sentencing and prison guidelines obviously hadn't yet

0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.800
<v Speaker 1>been pressured by the law and order swing that happened

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<v Speaker 1>through the Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Clinton years. Here's chicken

0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Man and j D in two thousand and three talking

0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.840
<v Speaker 1>about seeing each other on a public golf course at

0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta's Piedmont Park while Chicken Man was still serving time.

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<v Speaker 1>We almost played together one day, almost one and I

0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.360
<v Speaker 1>was at that playing garden and you were in prison.

0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.880
<v Speaker 1>He was on the prison farm because that that chipping

0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.120
<v Speaker 1>golf balls around and we stopped and talked. He was

0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:44.360
<v Speaker 1>saving his prison time on the golf course, shipping and pladant.

0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.720
<v Speaker 1>See me this prison dad, Yeah, that's some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>story the world, Ways of the world. Billy McKinney was

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<v Speaker 1>elected to the Georgia State House of Representatives in nineteen

0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.040
<v Speaker 1>seven four. He was one of the first black police

0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:07.440
<v Speaker 1>officers in Atlanta in the late nineteen forties, along with J. D. Hudson.

0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Like j D, he knew Chicken Man from the streets.

0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.880
<v Speaker 1>He was always a law and order guy, a firebrand

0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.680
<v Speaker 1>public speaker. One day he saw Chicken Man driving a

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<v Speaker 1>truck around Stone Mountain, Georgia, and he called the prison

0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:27.440
<v Speaker 1>to get Chicken Man back inside the walls. Billy McKinney

0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.720
<v Speaker 1>saw my dad driving and called in and told him

0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.760
<v Speaker 1>that I just saw Chicken Man driving a truck in

0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Stone Mountain. He tried to get my dad to ship

0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.360
<v Speaker 1>to another prison way down south, because he don't think

0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.720
<v Speaker 1>that my dad should be out driving. He should be

0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.720
<v Speaker 1>doing some hard time. They changed my dad's job detail

0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.720
<v Speaker 1>so then let him drive out in They took the

0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.640
<v Speaker 1>privilege away from him, and then he locked him down,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he started working in the kitchen or

0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.440
<v Speaker 1>something like that. That's where he met Doug Pierce and

0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:58.360
<v Speaker 1>they became good friends in prison and out. Even in prison,

0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Chicken Man still had to support his family. So while

0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.000
<v Speaker 1>he was in prison, my dad still wanted to make money.

0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.600
<v Speaker 1>He's still I still gotta make me some money. Always

0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.840
<v Speaker 1>a hustler, Chicken Man arranges for someone to bring him

0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:15.080
<v Speaker 1>a pound of marijuana week to prison. The guy dropped

0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.280
<v Speaker 1>it off in a trash can near the prison gates.

0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.639
<v Speaker 1>His new jail house friend, Doug Pierce, picked it up

0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.400
<v Speaker 1>while on garbage duty, and the two of them would

0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.720
<v Speaker 1>break it up, roll it into joints, and sell to

0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:32.760
<v Speaker 1>other prisoners for a dollar a joint inside prison. Just

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<v Speaker 1>as out, Chicken Man was always able to make it

0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:45.520
<v Speaker 1>as a hustler. In February nineteen seventy five, Frank Molten,

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Black Godfather, was arrested in New York

0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.840
<v Speaker 1>and charged with running a two million dollar gambling operation

0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.880
<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta. Such was the reach of the Black mafia.

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<v Speaker 1>In November ninety he was also convicted of conspiracy for

0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.119
<v Speaker 1>importing and selling a hundred and fifty pounds of cocaine

0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.239
<v Speaker 1>and twenty six pounds of heroin from nineteen sixty eight

0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:15.440
<v Speaker 1>to nineteen seventy five. In January nineteen seventy seven, Frank

0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Moten was sentenced to twenty five years in prison. At

0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:24.119
<v Speaker 1>the sentencing, according to The New York Times, judge Richard

0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Owen said Frank Moten had been and I quote the

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the Council of twelve and responsible for decision

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<v Speaker 1>making at the highest level for black organized crime end quote.

0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Frank Morten gave his interview to George Plimpton while in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the last things they talked about was the

0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:49.199
<v Speaker 1>aftermath of the million dollar heist. Moten said people were

0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:53.840
<v Speaker 1>very upset, their egos were involved. They had been pushed around.

0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.679
<v Speaker 1>The guy had even tumbled down the stairs when they

0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:02.560
<v Speaker 1>got together. It wasn't surprising, it turned out. Then Plimpton

0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.840
<v Speaker 1>asked him, do you suppose there were meetings to decide

0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.840
<v Speaker 1>what was going to happen? And how to coordinate things.

0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Frank said, didn't mean much to me.

0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I just lost some credit cards. I'm just a Coco distributor. Ultimately,

0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the Fight Night Team concludes that Frank Molten and his

0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.240
<v Speaker 1>higher ups had called a guy named Fireball to plan

0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:34.160
<v Speaker 1>a party to celebrate Tobe's birthday after the Muhammad Ali

0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:39.679
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Corey fight on October nine, seventy in Atlanta. They

0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:44.439
<v Speaker 1>wanted a Vegas style gambling party. Fireball got Chicken Man

0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.360
<v Speaker 1>to host it since he had all these properties all

0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.600
<v Speaker 1>over town and they were all tight. They ran in

0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the same circles and even financed each other. There was

0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.320
<v Speaker 1>definitely hierarchy though, and Frank Moten was as high up

0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:02.800
<v Speaker 1>as you can go. Richard Wheeler, we believe, separately planned

0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.400
<v Speaker 1>to rob the party when he saw the invitations, having

0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.080
<v Speaker 1>pulled off similar robberies like this in New York. There's

0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.560
<v Speaker 1>a chance that Cadillac Ritchie connected with Emerson Dorsey to

0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.560
<v Speaker 1>recruit the local Atlanta area gangsters who pulled off the

0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:24.840
<v Speaker 1>robbery under fast Eddie Parker's guidance. Those people were McKinley, Rogers,

0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:31.320
<v Speaker 1>James Henry Hall, Houston Hammonds, Lillian Dabney, Baby, Ray Humphrey,

0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:36.320
<v Speaker 1>and Charles Lee. Most of those folks were dead by

0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:42.440
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy two, except for Houston. Hammond's final retribution came

0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.800
<v Speaker 1>early in nineteen seventy two when Richard Wheeler was assassinated

0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.159
<v Speaker 1>by fast Eddie Parker, who was then in jail by

0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:54.359
<v Speaker 1>the end of the year. It's possible that Frank Molten

0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and the other members of the Council of Twelve called

0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:01.240
<v Speaker 1>in that hit. Remember this is how it all started

0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:05.160
<v Speaker 1>back in episode one. So when did the investigation end?

0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:20.840
<v Speaker 1>You want the truth? What about dead Dad? After the

0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:25.800
<v Speaker 1>robbery investigation concluded, j D returned to his duties as

0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:29.240
<v Speaker 1>lieutenant in the ap D. He worked his way up

0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:33.240
<v Speaker 1>the ladder and eventually became a captain. Then, in the

0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.560
<v Speaker 1>mid to late seventies, he was offered a new career path.

0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Here he is telling chicken Man about it. In two

0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:43.160
<v Speaker 1>thousand and three, I went from captain to the head

0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:46.240
<v Speaker 1>of Department of Corrections. I was a captain and I

0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.000
<v Speaker 1>was reluctant to take the job, Nichols. I wanted to

0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.040
<v Speaker 1>be assistant Chief of Definite Chiefs. You know, that was

0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 1>what I wanted to be At that time, you know,

0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:56.840
<v Speaker 1>because hell, I didn't know what this job meant. The

0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:58.440
<v Speaker 1>tile of that job, I beli at that time, I

0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:02.280
<v Speaker 1>supered under the prison and uh when the mayor and

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Madonnall and he be Weaves say hey man, you will

0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:12.440
<v Speaker 1>be the same two corressions. The chief of police is

0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:18.600
<v Speaker 1>two police as give me the job. So it was

0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I was appointed four years alter she was full year appointment.

0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 1>He had more problems getting reappointed out of it because

0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:29.639
<v Speaker 1>I got reappointed with without a new problems. Ingrid Wells

0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:31.840
<v Speaker 1>was a cop in De capp County in Atlanta for

0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:34.680
<v Speaker 1>a number of years and then work for J. D.

0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Hudson for much of the time he was in corrections.

0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Here she is talking about j D and his relationships

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:46.480
<v Speaker 1>with the inmates. One of the things that I admired

0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:49.560
<v Speaker 1>about him all throughout the time I knew him as

0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:55.440
<v Speaker 1>an employer was he would not let you hurt harm

0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.080
<v Speaker 1>one of those inmates. He'd tell you in a minute.

0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I've heard him tell so many people you are two

0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:04.120
<v Speaker 1>pages from being where he is, don't you ever say

0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:09.440
<v Speaker 1>anything over them? And so they all respected him. J. D.

0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:13.119
<v Speaker 1>Hudson remained the director of prisons in Atlanta for nineteen years,

0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:17.160
<v Speaker 1>and that's where he finished out his career. Chicken Man

0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 1>made several deals while he was serving time, having someone

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>bring him in. Mayor wanted to the prison so he

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.920
<v Speaker 1>could sell it. He saved up a nice little nest

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.399
<v Speaker 1>egg before he was released. I guess by the time

0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:31.200
<v Speaker 1>he got out he had a buy six grand, so

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:32.880
<v Speaker 1>he had him enough to get, you know, a start

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.320
<v Speaker 1>and get on his feet. Chicken Man was sentenced to

0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:38.680
<v Speaker 1>seven years what Gordon Jr. Calls a five and two,

0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 1>meaning a five year sentence for cocaine, concurrent with a

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 1>two year sentence for the half of the joint police

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 1>found in his hotel room. He ended up serving about

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 1>thirty six months as he was a model citizen in

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:56.320
<v Speaker 1>prison with very little discipline. And what does a hustler

0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.440
<v Speaker 1>do when he gets out of prison. He goes back

0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:04.719
<v Speaker 1>to hustle. And when I got out, I was determined.

0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I would do, but I started

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 1>back to us. I get out and I'll be the guy.

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 1>So he he beat the marijuana. You mean I started

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.800
<v Speaker 1>working with the marijuana, and that mean the funk that

0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:21.120
<v Speaker 1>really liked me in mind, and I started getting trade

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:26.320
<v Speaker 1>attle tough load five eight pound man one at the

0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>same time. But he's real careful about what he does now,

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 1>so you know, like he never drives drugs, so he's

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 1>always employing somebody. And his big thing was, whenever you're

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:39.040
<v Speaker 1>driving my drugs and a lot of people don't know

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:41.879
<v Speaker 1>they're driving drugs. You don't drink and you don't smoke.

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 1>That's forbidden. You're gonna do the speed limit. He's paying

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 1>them good. I'm gonna give you five dollars to drive

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.720
<v Speaker 1>his car from Florida. You drive that speed limit. You

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:52.479
<v Speaker 1>don't smoke, you don't drink, you ain't got no key

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.320
<v Speaker 1>to the trunk. You get the car to Atlanta and

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.920
<v Speaker 1>you get your money. Chicken Man was right back into

0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 1>hustling when he got out out and he used this

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Miami connection as well. Doug Pierce, the guy met in prison,

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:09.120
<v Speaker 1>had gotten out and apparently married a rich woman in Miami.

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 1>So Chicken Man kept that relationship going. And on one

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 1>particular trip that he made to Miami, he took his son,

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Gordon Jr. With him. They had a car loaded with

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 1>marijuana ready to come back to Atlanta. They stayed in

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Miami one extra night, leaving the parked car at Doug

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:32.359
<v Speaker 1>Pierce's house. In the morning, Gordon Jr. Was ready to

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 1>get on the road because I was a driver. I said, Dad,

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:37.760
<v Speaker 1>we're leaving. We went to doug house to pick to marijuana.

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:42.480
<v Speaker 1>It was gone. It was gone. A thousand pounds of

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>marijuana was gone, vanished. So Doug said that somebody had

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:51.200
<v Speaker 1>broke in stolen marijuana. The wife boy framed hit moved

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 1>for one place to another place to save keeper for

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 1>some reason. But it had told me. Chicken Man takes

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:00.119
<v Speaker 1>a trip to Miami, as he's done a number of

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 1>times and gotten thousands of pound fronted to him. He

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 1>stored it overnight at Doug Pierce's house without telling Chicken Man.

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Doug moved it to another location, then the next day

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:16.560
<v Speaker 1>claimed it was stolen overnight. Now chicken men had to

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 1>go to the suppliers and tell them what happened. I

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:24.399
<v Speaker 1>went to the people that one hand. Listen what I

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>don't want to hear the story, get the money, and

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:28.680
<v Speaker 1>then tell me the story. I don't want you know

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.920
<v Speaker 1>fucking story, But nobody do you know? This is what?

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 1>This is what the people we sold me to was.

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 1>So now we're on the chance to find the people

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>with there. My tail was five and thirty six thousand

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>about now I got to start paying a bit right.

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:51.359
<v Speaker 1>I got a better two foot boat, sleep eight and

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>everything in Florida. So the mass I don't want to

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.440
<v Speaker 1>hear the story. Then they give me the other lay

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 1>bring me the head of the man who did it

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:07.119
<v Speaker 1>in the paper back and it did Claire. The people

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.160
<v Speaker 1>that my dad got the marri Wanta from. They said,

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to pay it back. Just give us

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Doug's name, give us his address, and we're settled just

0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 1>like that. And these people say all we need is

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:21.280
<v Speaker 1>his name, and well, you don't have to pay a penny.

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>My dad said, no, I can't do it. I can't

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:26.440
<v Speaker 1>do it. My dad didn't want to be involved in

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:33.399
<v Speaker 1>no homicide. And the people want the money now. They

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>want to give me that fifty kilos of cocaine and

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:39.199
<v Speaker 1>something to make the money prepare. But I was always

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to be bothered for cam period. So

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:46.880
<v Speaker 1>but what I did. A man come to me, Uh,

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>people got my son mar her daughter, which is cute girl.

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 1>He come to me one day we can have He

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>told me to go get a big truck on a

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.400
<v Speaker 1>big we now and a man comes to He gave

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>me eight thousand lagership. So I had a bigger break

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>of my life. As the audio was breaking up their

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>chicken Man was telling the story about taking the marijuana

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 1>he'd been given as a lifeline to pay the debt

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:22.159
<v Speaker 1>he owed the Colombians who gave him the marijuana that

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:26.240
<v Speaker 1>was stolen from or by Doug Pierce. Chicken Man sold

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the marijuana in Atlanta, got about four hundred thousand dollars

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 1>for it, and he had to give it all to

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the Colombians to pay back the debt, including his thirty

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>eight foot boat. We got on a plane to Miami,

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<v Speaker 1>me my dad, and he had in a briefcase in

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<v Speaker 1>a briefcase almost five hundred thousand dollars. I gave a

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<v Speaker 1>thing right, but anyway, I paid the debt. The man

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<v Speaker 1>come along, gave me the eight thousands. Saved my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Once Chicken Man paid off this final debt, he got

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<v Speaker 1>out of the life for good. Over the years, Chicken

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<v Speaker 1>Man would remind me that he never carried a gun

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<v Speaker 1>because the last thing he wanted was to be involved

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<v Speaker 1>in a murder. When Doug Pierce, who he thought was

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<v Speaker 1>his friend, stole more than a half a million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>worth of drugs. Chicken Man was forced to decide between

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<v Speaker 1>his own life or the man who betrayed him. Through

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<v Speaker 1>a stroke of good luck, Chicken Man was able to

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<v Speaker 1>honor the code he lived by and somehow survive another

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<v Speaker 1>close call. But this final deal forced him to make

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<v Speaker 1>a decision that would transform him completely and in his mind,

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<v Speaker 1>finally bury the legend of Chicken Man Forever. Fight Night

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<v Speaker 1>is a joint production from I Heart Radio, Will Packer

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<v Speaker 1>Media and Doghouse Pictures in association with Psychopia Pictures. Produced

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<v Speaker 1>and hosted by Jeff Keating. Executive producers are Will Packer,

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<v Speaker 1>James Lopez, Kenny Burns, Dan Bush, Lars Jacobsen, and Noel Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Supervising producer is Taylor Hickoyne. Story editors are Noel Brown

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<v Speaker 1>and Dan Bush. Written by Jeff Keating and Jim Roberts.

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<v Speaker 1>Edited by Matt Owen. Mixing and sound designed by Jeremiah

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<v Speaker 1>Kolonnie Prescott. Music written and performed by the Diamond Street Players.

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<v Speaker 1>Additional music by Ben Lovett. Audio archives courtesy of WSB

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<v Speaker 1>of Georgia, libraries. Special thanks to Dr Maurice Hobson and

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<v Speaker 1>David Davis. Fight Night is a production of I heart Radio.

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