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Speaker 1: an international team, but they have some of the best

438
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Speaker 1: Americans that, like, you know, I had even kind of

439
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: heard of, which says a lot because I wasn't paying

440
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: attention to running that much. The other group was coached

441
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: by John Cook, who's a little bit of an older coach,

442
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: and his roster is absolutely loaded with other really fantastic

443
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: middle distance athletes, and they're based in Austin, Texas. So

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Speaker 1: what I do is I make a list of ten questions.

445
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: I ask both coaches the same ten questions. I write

446
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: down their answers, and then I make little pro and

447
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: con lists. I'm not a perfectionist at all, by the way, yeah, clearly,

448
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: and so I make these little pro con lists and

449
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: I just start thinking about it, and I ultimately choose

450
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: to go to Eugene and I finished school. I with

451
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: my college coaches helped choose an agent. I'm having these

452
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: conversations with these coaches.

453
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out.

454
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: What comes next, how I get a sponsor, all this stuff.

455
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: I go race in Europe for the first time. I'd

456
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: never been to Europe. I got on a plane by myself,

457
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: not knowing where I'm going, hoping there's someone to receive

458
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: me on the other side, because of course, like international

459
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: data isn't really a thing yet. And I find myself

460
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: racing the summer in Europe, and I choose to go

461
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: to Eugene, and I say, I'm super lucky because the

462
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: other coach in his club ends up disbanding for reasons.

463
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't really know exactly what happened, but I luckily

464
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: had chosen I had chosen Eugene, and if I hadn't,

465
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: like my situation would have dissolved and I would have

466
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: been kind of floundering at.

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Speaker 2: What to do.

468
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: So I get super lucky by choosing Eugene, and I

469
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: moved there in September of twenty twelve, and I go

470
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: from being this like pretty much unknown big fish in

471
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Speaker 1: a small pond athlete to walking into a practice with

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Speaker 1: some of the best athletes in the world. There's Olympic medals,

473
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Speaker 1: there's a World World Championship medals, there's you know, American

474
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: record holders, there's the who's who of runners. And it

475
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: was kind of like an oh shit moment for me

476
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: of like, wow, I am so far out of my league.

477
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: This is wild. How do you gain confidence at a

478
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: time like that when you just feel completely overwhelmed and

479
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: having one of those like holy shit moments.

480
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: It was really hard. I really struggled my first year

481
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: in Oregon. I'd never been so far from my family.

482
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: I went to college two hours from my parents' house,

483
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: moved across the country, knew nobody. Everybody that was on

484
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: the team a sort of a transplant, and nobody had

485
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: any family around, so you're just like all kind of

486
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: leaning on each other. And I really struggled. Like if

487
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: you asked my mom, I called her crying at least

488
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: once a week because I was getting my ass kicked

489
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: to the curb day in and day out, and day

490
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: in and day out. And I really I really questioned myself,

491
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: and truthfully, I felt like I didn't belong and that

492
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: like what was A doing and like this is I'm

493
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: so I'm so far out of my league that like

494
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: maybe this was a mistake. And I also really struggled

495
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: with becoming a professional. I didn't really have any role

496
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: models of how to do it necessarily. Like my senior year,

497
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: I was, as I said, just like so focused on school.

498
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: I to practice, i'd run, I'd go home, I would

499
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: never think about it again. But now all of a sudden,

500
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't have anything else to do. I just run,

501
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: and then I like think about my run all day

502
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: and like think about how behind I am. And I

503
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: really really struggled for a long time until in January

504
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: I ended up breaking my foot and I was just

505
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: burning the candle so hard, trying to keep up, trying

506
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: to keep up with everyone. And I was running with

507
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: a woman who had graduated from the University of Oregon,

508
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, thus was thus school at

509
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: the time for middle distance athletes, and she she was

510
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: much fitter and more well trained and could handle the

511
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: training better than I could. But I was running with

512
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: her on my easy days, like Okay, if I can

513
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: just keep up with her, like you know, I'll get

514
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: there faster. And I was so not listening to my

515
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: own body and so in my own head that I

516
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: was just like burning the candle so hard, like I

517
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: wasn't recovering. I was worrying all the time. I couldn't

518
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: sit still, and that led to me getting pretty severely injured,

519
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: and I had I had eight weeks where I wasn't running.

520
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: I was on crutches for probably three weeks. I was

521
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: like totally at a loss of like, oh my gosh,

522
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: this really sucks. I was like, when I look back

523
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: at it, I'm like I would think I was depressed,

524
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: Like Eugene in the winter is very dark and rainy,

525
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: and I would at times go to the pool to

526
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: go cross train and sit on the edge of the

527
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: pool with my feet dangling, just staring at the water

528
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: like I don't want to get into this water, like

529
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: this just sucks, and I just felt so sorry for myself.

530
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: But at one point, I don't know what happened, but

531
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: it was just sort of a realization that like, hey, aish,

532
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: you've been given a chance to do this. It's up

533
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: to you whether or not you're gonna lean in. And

534
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: I just wasn't leaning in, you know, I was just

535
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: like thinking about all of like the why me in

536
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: a bad way instead of like why not me? Like

537
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: why why can't Like I'm already freaking here, you know,

538
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: like I already moved across the country. I already took

539
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 1: this like big leap, and you know, this coach had

540
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: taken a big leap on me, and my sponsored taken

541
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: a big leap on me. Like if I just sit

542
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: here and feel sorry for myself, I'm going to totally

543
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: squander this opportunity. So the injury really helped me. I think,

544
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: like snap out of it of like, well, if I

545
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: just waste time, I'm just wasting time, and why not

546
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: just be the best that I possibly can be. So

547
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: that was a huge turning point of like I don't

548
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: really care, Like I just would tell myself like I

549
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: don't really care how I feel, like, I'm just going

550
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: to do the best that I can, Like I'm just

551
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm in control of my own effort and that's that's it.

552
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: So I found a way to to get on the

553
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: right track mentally and really start relying on the people

554
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: around me, on my teammates and actually learning from them

555
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: instead of like staring at them from afar like oh wow,

556
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: they're so good. I just started following their lead and

557
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: found myself getting better and better and growing and growing

558
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: in that. And then I in twenty fifteen started seeing

559
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: a sports psychologist in Eugene, and that was one of

560
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: the biggest career moves I've ever made. One of my

561
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: good friends and really incredible athletes is Nick Simmons, and

562
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: he for years I think he could see that I

563
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: was struggling. And he has had the same sports psychologist

564
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: named Jeff. I don't know Jeff's last name, but they

565
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: had been working for his whole career, and he kept saying, like,

566
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: you got it. You know you got to see somebody.

567
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: You got to see somebody. So I scour the internet.

568
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm reading bios. I'm trying to find somebody because I

569
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: want to be the best I can be in my

570
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: personal life. Things were really changing and I thought like,

571
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: all right, this is a good time. And I started

572
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: seeing doctor Melissa Todd in twenty fifteen, and she and

573
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: I have worked together since then. I have I still

574
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: do a web meeting with her every other week, and

575
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: it has transformed me into I think the word is

576
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: probably fearful, like a fearful athlete, into an empowered athlete,

577
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: and she's she and I have been able to work

578
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: together to figure out to help me figure out who

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00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: I am and where I'm coming from, and what makes

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Speaker 1: me feel good and what makes me not feel good,

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00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: and how I can show up for myself to my

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Speaker 1: best ability if I'm standing on a start line, or

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00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: if I'm waking up in the morning, or if I'm

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00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: having a conversation with my spouse or I'm talking on

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00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: the phone to my parents or whatever, like, how can

586
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: I show up best for myself and it's changed my

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00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: career so much.

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Speaker 2: had you ever worked with a therapists before?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: No. I One time in college I had a bad

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Speaker 1: breakup and my my college coach's wife was a therapist,

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Speaker 1: and she encouraged me to to just like seek out

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Speaker 1: one of the free counselors at school. So I went

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Speaker 1: into one session and she told me to journal, and

621
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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, cool, I got this. But I'd

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Speaker 1: never I'd never I'd never seen a therapist that you know,

623
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Speaker 1: regularly or that was my own, and I didn't. It's

624
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: not something that I grew up around. You know, nobody

625
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: in my family really ever had. It wasn't part of

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Speaker 1: the culture that I was used to. And I think

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Speaker 1: think I tell people all the time, I think everyone

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Speaker 1: I think everyone should have a therapist or a counselor

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Speaker 1: or a confidante. And I think that mental health needs

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Speaker 1: to be mental health is healthcare, and I just wish

631
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Speaker 1: that everyone had access because I know how much it's

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Speaker 1: changed my life and how much it makes me a

633
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: better version of myself. But yeah, it wasn't something that

634
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: was that I grew up with or that I had

635
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Speaker 1: really even considered until I was living in Eugene.

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Speaker 2: And when you first started working with your sports psychologist,

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Speaker 2: do you remember from the get go, like any of

638
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: the takeaways that made you say wow, Like, yeah, I've

639
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: got to keep coming back to do this.

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Speaker 1: One of my earliest takeaways was how quickly she was

641
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Speaker 1: able to see who I was.

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Speaker 3: And one of.

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Speaker 1: The earliest ideas, like sports psychology nuts and bolts, early ideas,

644
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: was an article that she had printed off for me

645
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: that was written by doctor Carol Dweck, who wrote the

646
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Speaker 1: book Mindset and which is my I would recommend this

647
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: book to anyone, whether you're an athlete or a human,

648
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: or a business person or whatever, And it's this idea

649
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: that there's a you can work through life with a

650
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: fixed mindset, or you can work through life with a

651
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: growth mindset and a fixed mindset would be to give

652
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: a sports metaphor, I'm not good at K repeat workouts,

653
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Speaker 1: and the growth mindset would say, K repeat workouts aren't

654
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Speaker 1: my strength, but I know I can work on them

655
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: and develop it into a strength. And I think that

656
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: I was being really black and white with who I

657
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: was as a person on and off the track of like,

658
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: this is who I am, this is what I'm good at,

659
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: this is what I'm not good at, beause are my

660
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: limitations and tut off and taking that piece of paper

661
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: home and reading it and seeing example I could just

662
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: see examples where I was really limiting myself and realizing that,

663
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: like I don't actually have to buy into that this

664
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: is who I am and I'll never be anything different

665
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: and I'll never change. It really opened up my eyes

666
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: to like whoa I can actually like morph into like

667
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: I used a two point oh three point h four

668
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: point oh five point zero, and I can become whatever

669
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: it is I want to become. And no, I'm not

670
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: going to be the best at every single thing, but

671
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: like I don't really need to be, and I can

672
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: just always be working to improve.

673
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: What a beautiful takeaway you start to work with this

674
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: sports psych and then you start to also see the

675
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: benefits of this in your performance.

676
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: Right right right, and even even just in practice, starting

677
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Speaker 1: in practice and working on how I go about executing

678
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: things on a day to day level. And in twenty fifteen,

679
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,959
Speaker 1: I started working with her in November, and I would

680
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: I was having this injury that wasn't going away and

681
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: wasn't going away. And in December of twenty fifteen, we

682
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: realized that I need to get surgery. And I had

683
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: a torn accessory tendon to my achilles and it wasn't healing,

684
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't healing. Us trying everything wasn't healing. So I

685
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: ended up having to get surgery. And it was just

686
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: the best timing that I started working with Melissa in

687
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: novel and I had the surgery in December, And so

688
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: if you're counting, that's December of twenty fifteen. The real

689
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: Olympics are in the summer, and I am my back

690
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: is against the wall of I could not run pain free.

691
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: I was in so much pain, and I couldn't string

692
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: together more than a week of training at a time.

693
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: And if you think that you're going to qualify for

694
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: the Olympics, with stop start training. It's very very difficult.

695
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: And so I get the surgery, and I'm working with

696
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: her about just sort of letting go of expectations and

697
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: letting go of expectations. Also let's go of limitations and go.

698
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: I get running. I go up to flag Staff to

699
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: do some altitude training, and I'm so.

700
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: Out of shape.

701
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: I just like I wish that I could wear the

702
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: Harry Potter invisibility cloak and that nobody could see me,

703
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: because I just like needed, I know, I needed so

704
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: much work and I just wanted to get fit. And

705
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: something that really helped during that time was my coach

706
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: decided that I'm not working out with a watch, and

707
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: it would be like I'm trying to think of a

708
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: here's an analogy. You need to drive across the country

709
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: and you can't use your spiometer. And that was my

710
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: whole training for six weeks up in the mountains was

711
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: just like going on feel and working with her through

712
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: this like really helped to shape my mindset that I

713
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: would have for all of the years after this, which

714
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: is I can trust my body and like I don't

715
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: need to be afraid of being too slow because it

716
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: could also mean that I would be afraid of going

717
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: too fast and not having this measurement bogging down on

718
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: me all the time, just like taught me to run freely.

719
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: And we just worked on that mentality and worked on

720
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: trusting myself and worked on believing that my limitations could

721
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: just be pushed to the side, and I end up

722
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: getting healthy, qualifying for the Olympics, running personal bests, and

723
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: like having a good year from what could have been

724
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: really tragic of not qualifying for the games, you know,

725
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: re injuring myself, trying too hard, or not showing up

726
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: for myself in the way in the best way. And

727
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: it really helped to work on it in the moment.

728
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: What advice would you offer to someone outside of that

729
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: great takeaway who might also be struggling with injury right now.

730
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: I think what I've learned from that experience and then

731
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: my years since, is that you need to learn to

732
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: be more flexible and be less rigid, because there are

733
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: so many ways to become your best and because you've

734
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: done it one way in the past doesn't mean you

735
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: have to do it that way. There's not one roadmap

736
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: for getting to your goal, and if you're banged up

737
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: like that's okay, and it's okay. You know, it's okay

738
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: that it does suck, and it's okay to like feel

739
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: the suck and be upset about it, but also like

740
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: let go a little bit of this idea, this preconceived

741
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: notion of what you need to be doing to reach

742
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: your goals, and be willing to work with your body

743
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: and listen to it and push on the days where

744
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: it's telling you yes and back off on the days

745
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: that it's telling you no. And it's one of the

746
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: hardest things to do. It's so easy to say, like,

747
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, listen to your body, just back off when

748
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: you need to, but it really is the most important

749
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: piece of becoming whatever you want to be is just

750
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: letting go of these expectations and leaning in when you can.

751
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: So is the comeback better than the setback?

752
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it totally is. Like when you when you're

753
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: in these like just shit bag moments, Sorry for cursing,

754
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: but like it just sucks so badly, and then when

755
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: you get to these beautiful winds, it's just like a

756
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: deeper you just have felt on a deeper spectrum of

757
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: going from blah to awesome. It's just like it's such

758
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: a different feeling when you have had setbacks and you

759
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: have been in the pa to being able to be

760
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: you know, on a podium or just knocking whatever you

761
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: are doing out of the park. You just like you

762
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: feel a more human spectrum of what it's like to

763
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: overcome things.

764
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: So what does the comeback then look like? For you?

765
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: The comeback is awesome?

766
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: So every day, every day should be a comeback. I mean,

767
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: but in essence, why didn't you say that you have

768
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: the opportunity to kind of harness some of that comeback

769
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: energy every day when you wake up?

770
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, for sure, Because like if you've been

771
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: in the pits and you wake up and you're coming

772
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: out of it or you're not there anymore.

773
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: It's like, Wow, what.

774
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: A day, you know, like there are so many possibilities

775
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: of like how great the day can be today? And

776
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: I try really hard to like be grateful for the

777
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: days that I get out of bed and I'm not

778
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: like limping to the coffee machine, because yeah it every

779
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: day is a little bit of a comeback.

780
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So back to your comeback.

781
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: So I go to the Olympics, And.

782
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: Is that still like a crazy sentence to say?

783
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: Sometimes here's what's strange about my life?

784
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: Tell me the one thing that's.

785
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: I live in a very small, specific niche bubble. The

786
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: people around me are some of the fittest human beings

787
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: you'll ever see in your life, Like some of the

788
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: most superlative, excellent, focused, fit, high achieving, great mindset people

789
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 1: you could ever find in the world. So that's my normal.

790
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: I forget that sometimes I forget that, like the people

791
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: around me, you are the razor's edge, and I forget

792
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: some times that there is perspective, you know, Like one

793
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: of my best friends in the world that I measure,

794
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: I measure with in training is world champion, Olympic medalist,

795
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: world silver medalist. She's as good as they get, you know,

796
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: like her goal is winning Olympic gold. And I forget

797
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: that that's not normal. So, yes, it is weird. When

798
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: I think about it, I'm like, oh, yeah, when I

799
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: was at the Olympics. But like, that's not a weird

800
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: sentence to say in my group. It's kind of just

801
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: like saying, oh yeah, when I was at the grocery store.

802
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: That's really really really abnormal.

803
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: Oh I love it, I love it. Yeah.

804
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: So anyway, here I am at the Olympics, I didn't

805
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: run as well as I wanted.

806
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 3: And when I.

807
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: Graduated college, I really thought like, Okay, I'll run professionally

808
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: for four years, maybe five, and then I'll go back

809
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: to school, get a PhD, become a geologist, whatever. And

810
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: when I was there, a switch really flicked for me

811
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: of seeing true, true, true, true excellence in its purest form.

812
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: The Olympics is an amazing place, and when I was there,

813
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: I realized like, wait, I actually want more. I know

814
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm good, but I'd really like to be great instead.

815
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: And I know that I knew that what I needed

816
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: was to be challenged directly in a more in my

817
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: face way of what it means to be great. At

818
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: the time at OTC, we only had three women on

819
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: the team. We all ran different events, and I didn't

820
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: have like a direct training partner, so I didn't have

821
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: a lot of like check ins of how I was doing.

822
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: You know, I'd check in when I went to a race,

823
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: and I could measure myself against the other women in

824
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: the world, but I wasn't directly training with anyone specifically.

825
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: So where my husband and I are on a run

826
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: in Rio and he brings up like, you know, have

827
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: you ever thought about transitioning to a different training situation?

828
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 1: You know, this is every four years people Olympic athletes

829
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: kind of check in with themselves and say like, Okay,

830
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: this is this fitting with me? Is this like you

831
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: sort of live your life on these like four year increments.

832
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: And it was just like a check in, like how

833
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: are you doing? How are you feeling? Like are you

834
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: are you happy in your current setup? And it was

835
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: in that moment that I was like, you know what,

836
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: if I'm going to do this for another four years,

837
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to really do it for another four years

838
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: and I really want to be great. So from there

839
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: I begin my second and round of list making in

840
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: my life, and this time I make a list of

841
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: the best female steeple chasers in the world and I

842
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: look at where they live, who they're coached by, because

843
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: I just am seeking that direct training situation where I

844
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: am thrown to the I need to get thrown to

845
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: the wolves again. I need I need to to really

846
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: challenge myself. So it ends up working out that Emma

847
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: Coburn is also looking for a change, and I take

848
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: a really big risky step to move to Boulder. My

849
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: husband was was just great and thought, you know what, sure, Like,

850
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: let's just you want to be great, let's do this.

851
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: So we move from Eugene to Boulder, and our life

852
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: just like kind of changes and settles in a new way.

853
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: When we lived in Eugene, it was kind of hard,

854
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: like we our houses at level and altitude training is

855
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: really important for middle distance athletes, so for a lot

856
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: of the year we were gone. It would be a

857
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: good year if we lived in our house for five months,

858
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: like pieced together throughout the year, and that has a strain.

859
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 3: On your life.

860
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: And you know, we were everybody there was kind of

861
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: a transplant, so we didn't have a lot of friends

862
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: outside of the sport and the people that I saw

863
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: every day in training. And so we moved to Boulder,

864
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: and our life oddly just kind of settles, Like we

865
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: live at altitude, so we don't need to be taking

866
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: trips all the time because we're already in the mountains.

867
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: And there are a lot more young professionals in Boulder,

868
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: so we're finding ourselves, like meeting other couple friends and

869
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: there's just like a little bit of stress that's relieved,

870
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I'm training with one of

871
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: the best to have ever done it. And after dying

872
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: for like two or three months trying to hang on,

873
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm starting to like come into my own and we

874
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: go to our first international race and I shave like

875
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: nineteen seconds off my personal best or something like that.

876
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: Like my PR was nine thirty one. Maybe I'm trying

877
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: to do some math of thirty three. Whatever it is

878
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: IPR by like twelve seconds or eleven seconds whatever. Run

879
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: I run the Jamaican record, my first shot with a

880
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: new coach and a new training partner, I run this

881
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: massive PR and all of a sudden, like I'm more

882
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: of a player on the world stage, and it was

883
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: just like all of these pieces of our life like

884
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: coming together. I'm healthy finally for a whole year. I

885
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: am happy in my personal life. I am loving the

886
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: grind of working with someone who really knows how to

887
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: be how to do this event, and how to be

888
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: one of the best in the world. And her fiance

889
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: at the time now husband is our first time coach.

890
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: He's never coached anyone before, but he's such a student

891
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: of a sport and he's taking such great care of us.

892
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: We're so healthy, we're so fit, and things really turned

893
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: around so it was a big leap and it just

894
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: started this awesome, awesome comeback.

895
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: I want to take a second to focus on your

896
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: friendship and relationship with Emma, because I think it's really special,

897
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: especially because it is something that really blossomed as you

898
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: got older, And I think that's a really difficult thing,

899
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: right to fall into a groove and to establish such

900
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 2: an excellent female friendship. Yes, not from like a younger age.

901
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: So I'm curious if you could articulate, like what you

902
00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: think it is about this particular relationship in your life

903
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: that makes you want to prioritize it so much, Like

904
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: what is it about this relationship that makes it so

905
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 2: almost effortless for you?

906
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, moving to Boulder, Emma and I knew of each other,

907
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: Like we didn't know each other super super well, but

908
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: we had raced each other a few times. When you're

909
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: racing internationally, you just kind of sit at the table

910
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: with people that speak your same language at meals, so

911
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: you like peripherally know people and it's the same conversation

912
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: every time of like what races are you doing?

913
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: Cool?

914
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: Where are you going next? And what flight did you

915
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: take there? And that was really our relationship. I knew

916
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: that I respected her a lot and that I liked

917
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: whatever I knew about her, but we weren't like besties

918
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: by any stretch of the imagination. And moved to Boulder,

919
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I am met with a

920
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: person who sees life and the world very similarly to

921
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: the way that I view myself and the way I

922
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: operate in the world. And we become such good friends effortlessly,

923
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: and I couldn't believe it, Like, I didn't plan to

924
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: move to Boulder and like become super close friends with Emma,

925
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: but it was just happening so organically. And I don't

926
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: know about you, but I think making friends is really.

927
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: Hard, especially really hard. It's really hard, and it's actually

928
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: something that a lot of people reach out to me about,

929
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: asking my advice on how to how to do it

930
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: and how to know when like someone's a good fit

931
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 2: for you. And I think I mean on a case

932
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: by case basis, But I love what we both said

933
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: in The Beauty of Female Friendships That Last that when

934
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: you make them when you're older, the word effortless is

935
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: just it's really important, I think, because I agree that

936
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: all relationships take a certain amount of work, but when

937
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: it feels effortless and you can truly be yourself, it's

938
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: just irreplaceable.

939
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: I completely agree, and I've identified as I've gotten older

940
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: that I'm actually quite introverted. I realize that there's a scale,

941
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: sort of like a spectrum of what relationships give energy

942
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: to me and what relationships take energy from me. And

943
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: immediately I just was so energized by her, And spending

944
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: time with Emma is not hard for me, and sometimes

945
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: spending time with people is hard and takes energy. And

946
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: we start traveling the world together. And one of the

947
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: things that really druck me when I was on my

948
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: sort of visit to see if Boulder was if Boulder

949
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: was going to be a good fit, was we were

950
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: talking about books and Emma loves to read and I

951
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: love to read, and she was reading Mindset by Carol D. Black,

952
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: which is the basis of a lot of the way

953
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: that my psychologist and I talk about sport. And Emma

954
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: believes that believes in the growth mindset so inherently that

955
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: we can just trust that each other thinks similarly about

956
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: really big things. And another thing that I think is

957
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: unique in our friendship and in our group that we've

958
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: built is this idea that there can be more than

959
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: one successful person in the room, and that if Emma

960
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: does something awesome, it only enriches my life, and if

961
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: I something awesome, it only enriches hers. It doesn't take away.

962
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: It's not a pie, it's not a competition, it's not

963
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: a comparison. It's just adds too. And I think that's

964
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: really hard to find, especially in super high achieving, laser focused,

965
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: goal oriented people. And that's something that we share at

966
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: the heart of who we are and is like a

967
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: founding block of our friendship.

968
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: Okay, so give me like a highlight reel of what

969
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: happens for you over the next two and a half

970
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: or so years.

971
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: Yes, so pretty much all my life highlights happen in

972
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: the next couple of years. Right before we move to Boulder.

973
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: My husband and I get married in Minneapolis. So that's awesome.

974
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 2: I was going to say, like throw the marriage highlight

975
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: into the mix here somewhere.

976
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: Yes, So, yeah, we get married, we have this like

977
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: really awesome wedding that turns into like a crazy warehouse

978
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: dance party. So that is like a life highlight. It's

979
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: the best party I've ever thrown. That was awesome highlight.

980
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: Two Emma wins World Championships in twenty seventeen and this

981
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: was really defining for our professional life. My foot is

982
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: broken in this race and that is a low light

983
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: for me, very big low light and also a highlight

984
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: because I watch em A win World Championships from inside

985
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: the race front row seat, from the back of the bus,

986
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: and from there I have another sort of epiphany moment

987
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: of like, screw this, I want to also have a

988
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: lot of fun success. I want to stand out of a

989
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: podium too. This looks great. So I feel sorry for

990
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: myself for a little bit and then I put my

991
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: head down with a singular focus that I'm going to

992
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: win the next championship, and for me that was Commonwealth Games,

993
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: which if you're listening from the American audience, doesn't really

994
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: resonate with you. It is of an Olympic style championship

995
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: from from the Commonwealth countries, so we're talking UK, Canada, Kenya, Uganda,

996
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: the most countries in the Caribbean. It's a it's a

997
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: huge deal. Basically the next specs. If you live in

998
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: a country that participates in the Commonwealth Games, it's the

999
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: next best thing to the Olympics, so that's coming up

1000
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: for me in twenty eighteen. So I decide I'm gonna

1001
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: win and that's like.

1002
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 2: I just make that decision. I got, you know what,

1003
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to win this one.

1004
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, my sports psychologists didn't really

1005
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: like that, like, oh, here's a huge outcome goal that's

1006
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: like very very us extreme and serious and focused. But

1007
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: I just decided that that it was my singular focus.

1008
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 2: And that's actually really interesting to me because when I

1009
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: sat down with Dez, and by sat down, I mean

1010
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,439
Speaker 2: I was sitting on this couch and she was sitting

1011
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 2: on her couch as well. But when when her and

1012
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: I chatted, I thought one of the most interesting things

1013
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: that she did going in to the Boston Marathon was

1014
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: talking about that she in the two months leading up

1015
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: to it said I'm going to live and breathe like

1016
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 2: a Boston Marathon champion. I'm going to eat like a

1017
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 2: Boston Marathon champion. I'm going to sleep like a Boston

1018
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 2: Marathon champion. I'm going to live every single day of

1019
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,919
Speaker 2: my life like I am a Boston Marathon champion because

1020
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 2: that's what I'm going to be. So to hear you

1021
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 2: say I decided I was going to win, but my

1022
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: sports psych didn't like that. I think that's interesting that

1023
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 2: she didn't like that.

1024
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, hearing you talk about does like that gives me

1025
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: goosebumps because I even think about that race sometimes when

1026
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm out training and it sucks and it's raining and

1027
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: cold or whatever. I like channel her, and I think

1028
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of runners do too.

1029
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, a lot of a lot of

1030
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 4: sports psychology suggest that you focus on the things that

1031
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 4: you can control, and outcome.

1032
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: Of races isn't totally in your control because you can't

1033
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: control what other people are going to do. So when

1034
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: I say, oh, yeah, I'm going to when conwalk games,

1035
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: is kind of.

1036
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 3: Like, well, maybe you should think.

1037
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: Like, I'm going to do as well as I can,

1038
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna I'm gonna have a maximum effort or

1039
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to put myself in the best position to win,

1040
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: not like I am going to do this thing.

1041
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 3: But I didn't care.

1042
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: I saw the and I felt the joy and the

1043
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: jubilants and the just celebration of Emma winning world championships,

1044
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: and like, I just wanted to feel that too, So

1045
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: I just make that choice and like hearing myself say that,

1046
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, girl, like make the choice again.

1047
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: And it was really Winning that race took a lot,

1048
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: Like the stats behind it are. My personal best going

1049
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: into the race was I think twenty two seconds slower

1050
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: than the favorite. The woman who was the favorite, her

1051
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: name is Selphine Chesspool, and she at the time was

1052
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: the second best deeple chaser in history. And I knew

1053
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: that if I wanted to win that I would have

1054
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: to beat her to do it. So I thought about

1055
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: that every day. And I also stats know that if

1056
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: I win a medal at Commonwealth Games, it's the first

1057
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: distance medal for Jamaica in history, and so I realized

1058
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: how difficult this task is. But I've seen it done before.

1059
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: I just watched em A win World Championship, so why

1060
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,439
Speaker 1: not me? And it's like everything that I've ever learned

1061
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: about myself just like comes through and in the race.

1062
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: Leading into the race, it's in Australia, I go down

1063
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: with my coach and he just says, whatever move is made,

1064
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: you just cover and watching the race like it's it's

1065
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: kind of surprising that if you look in the last

1066
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: few laps, like I'm I'm ten meters back from the leader,

1067
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: and I'm just absolutely grinding and girding my teeth, and

1068
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: I just didn't give up. And I thought about the

1069
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: way Emma one World Championships, which was on the last

1070
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: water jump, she just powered off, took that corner and

1071
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: just kicked so hard for home, and like I'd seen it.

1072
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: I'd watched that race so many times and I pictured

1073
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: myself doing it and I did the same thing, and

1074
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: so that was career highlight for me.

1075
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: So that was cool. Also, that was cool. Yeah, It's

1076
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 2: just a little thing I did.

1077
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was cool.

1078
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: And other small highlights was six that World Indoors in

1079
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: the fifteen hundred, which shaped the way that I became

1080
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: a fifteen hundred meter runner. Now I've had I set

1081
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: the Jamaican record in the indoor fifteen hundred and the

1082
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: indoor three k, in the outdoor five k. Last year,

1083
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: I set the Jamaican record again in the steeples chase.

1084
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Speaker 1: So I think I now have five national records.

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Speaker 2: And have in.

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Speaker 1: Our personal life, my husband and I have made three

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Speaker 1: couple friends of like people in the world that we

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01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: like encounter and meet. Making friends again is so hard,

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Speaker 1: so that's a big life accomplishment for us to Like.

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Speaker 2: I love that you through that in the mix.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's just like I mean, obviously not

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Speaker 5: the entire point of what we're talking about here, but

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Speaker 5: it just like it doesn't matter who you are, Making

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Speaker 5: friends is a hard thing.

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Speaker 2: And so it just like warms my heart when people

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Speaker 2: are open about that experience because I don't think that

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think that at the basic level,

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Speaker 1: like we all just want to belong, and in that

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Speaker 1: is the fear of like, well, if I approach this

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Speaker 1: person or if we go on a friend date, like

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Speaker 1: maybe like it's gonna suck. And like we've definitely had

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Speaker 1: friend dates that have sucked and we're not friends with them.

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Speaker 1: But like everybody goes through the same difficulty, Like everybody

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01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: wants to have friends, everybody wants to belong. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that we do.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the four year cycle earlier, and obviously the

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Speaker 2: Olympics have been pushed off. I'll bite for now. Talk

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Speaker 2: to me about how that was for you and what

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Speaker 2: that meant not just for your professional life right now,

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Speaker 2: but maybe also for your personal life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's difficult.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more difficult for my personal life than

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Speaker 1: for my professional life. Interesting fact about me, I'm married

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Speaker 1: to one of the best American milers in history and

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Speaker 1: he is five years older than me. His name's will Lear,

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Speaker 1: and it's wonderful because he intimately knows what it takes

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Speaker 1: to be an athlete at this caliber. But it also

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01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: means that we've lived a very serious, focused.

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Speaker 3: Life and a.

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Speaker 1: Two athlete household, and pushing the Olympics back the biggest

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Speaker 1: ripple that it has.

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Speaker 3: In our life.

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Speaker 1: And this is something that like not a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are talking about but is a very real thing.

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Speaker 1: Is family planning and having the Olympics push back a

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01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: year condenses the rest of the schedule. And we work

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Speaker 1: for World Championships, we work for Commwalth Games, we work

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Speaker 1: for Olympic Games, and we work for these you know,

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01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: the Diamond League and these big race opportunities, and now

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01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 1: we have all these events that we're supposed to happen

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01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: over four years are happening in three hopefully. So it

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Speaker 1: really removed a baby making window from our lives. If

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Speaker 1: I'm being completely candid.

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Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of women are talking about

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01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 2: this now. And when I had Alophine on the podcast,

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Speaker 2: that was one of the first things she talked about

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Speaker 2: was that they were really looking forward to doing that,

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01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: you know, starting this fall, and for now they're putting

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Speaker 2: it off. And that's a scary thing.

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01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: It's a totally scary thing. And you know, it's it's

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01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: really difficult that my profession is my body. Sometimes it's

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01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: like it is hard when, yeah, when when there is

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01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: no chill time necessarily, and there is no maternity leave

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01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: and there is no consideration for normal human moments like that.

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01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's it's tough. And I I feel

1147
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: easier about it than Will does. And you know, he

1148
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: was so looking forward to it. We're both so looking

1149
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: forward to it. But I think especially for him being

1150
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: five years older than me, it's like another three years,

1151
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: another four years, it's like, oh my gosh, Like, you know,

1152
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: he's been waiting forever and has lived this seward discipline

1153
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 1: life already and now we're just gonna bulldoze through another

1154
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: four years without coming up for in a in a

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01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: family sense. And it's been a really hard conversation for us.

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Speaker 1: And it's been That's one thing this year that I've

1157
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: really had to check in on is that, Like, you know,

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01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: am I handling the idea that my body is my

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01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: job in the best sense? And I've had to work

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Speaker 1: on that a bit.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that you have been.

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Speaker 1: I have gotten a lot healthier with that idea this year,

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01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: and a lot of it came with help from a

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01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: registered dietitian that is one of my training partners. Her

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01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: name is Maddie alm And I always think of my

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01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: body as just like a machine, Like I sometimes forget that, like,

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01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm a human woman. I'm just like must fuel,

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01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: must run, must whatever. I get a bit robotic. But

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01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: one thing that is sort of being talked about more

1170
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 1: now is this antiquated idea that as a performance middle

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01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: distance runner distance runner that like riding the razor's edge

1172
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:20,520
Speaker 1: with your body and your body composition. It's a fallacy

1173
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: and like we in our group especially are trying to

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01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: dispel this notion that lighter is faster, and I just

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01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 1: really for years have focused on like, my body is

1176
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: a ferrari and it needs high octane fuel all the time.

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01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 1: I have to be perfect in my fueling. I have

1178
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: to have this super low body fat all the time.

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01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: And this is the way that I am going to

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01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: be the best, and it's just not true completely, is

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01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: just not true. And I've learned actually, like i'd never

1182
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: I'd never talked to a professional about like what it

1183
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,759
Speaker 1: looks like to properly feel my body, what it looks

1184
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: like to gain more weight in the off season and

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01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: then naturally get fitter and your body composition changes as

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01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: your workouts change, and that has been I think the

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Speaker 1: biggest blessing of this Olympic postponement is I've learned how

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01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: to get my body to its healthiest standpoint and be

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01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: happy with that. And for me, like I've successfully gained

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Speaker 1: like four percent body mass, and I feel happier every

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01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: day and I'm not as grumpy, and all of these

1192
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,879
Speaker 1: like little injuries that you hold on to for years

1193
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: by being on the raisers at just started disappearing. And

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01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: I was spending five days in the gym doing strength work,

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01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: and I added another meal to my day, so I

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: eat four meals a day instead of three, and I

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01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: drink wine when I want to, especially because we haven't

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Speaker 1: had as many competitions, so like I haven't just had

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Speaker 1: to be on that razor's edge margin and it's I

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01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: think gonna give me a much happier next few years

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01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: of treating myself like a whole person and being a

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01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: little bit more relaxed. And it's something that I'm really

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01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: proud of.

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01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 2: What excites you right now?

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01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 3: Oh man? So much excites me right now.

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01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot going on in the

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01:16:54,200 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 1: world that's like kind of super severely depressing, but there's

1208
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: also so many things to be excited about. I still

1209
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: like I'm nearing the end of this strange season, but

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01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm still so excited about showing up for my teammates

1211
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: and showing up for myself and getting out the door

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01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: and running and like enjoying the summer and enjoying this

1213
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: fitness that I earned.

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01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 2: So that excites me.

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01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm excited about the connection that I've made being home

1216
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: longer in the year and spending more time at home

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01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: with my husband, Like that's awesome, and I am excited

1218
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: to see him every day. I'm excited for the possibility

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01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: of an Olympic year. I am excited to spend time

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01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: with friends as I ender sort of a more RESTful

1221
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: phase of the year. I'm going to go drive to

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01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: Park City and see one of my best friends in

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01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: the world. Emily in Fell who is another who is

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01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: a fellow runner, and I haven't seen her for probably

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01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: over a year. Like, I'm just excited about the small

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01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: things in life, like the connections, the friends, the health. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's all where it's all very small, maybe, but.

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Speaker 3: But it feels good.

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Speaker 2: It feels good. All right, Well we're winding down here.

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Speaker 2: Two last questions, Okay, question number one. People go to

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01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: your Instagram page and they see a woman that loves

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01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 2: to run and do a great job at it. You

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01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 2: look in the mirror and what do you see?

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01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: I am a total lover, like I Something that I

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01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: love about myself is that I show the people around

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01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: me how I feel about them. So I feel like

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01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm a good friend, I'm a good wife, I'm a

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01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: good person in other people's lives. And a few years ago,

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01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 1: maybe like I think this is twenty thirteen, I made

1240
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: a New Year's resolution that I was if I thought

1241
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: something nice about someone, I was just going to tell them.

1242
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 1: And I love that I never stopped doing it. And

1243
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: it's a really like a major piece of me is

1244
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: that I love making other people around me feel good.

1245
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: And that's usually what I see when I look in

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01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: the mirror.

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01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 2: Right now, you have an opportunity to offer yourself one

1248
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 2: piece of advice when you're going through one of the

1249
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 2: hurdle moments we talked about today, maybe your foot injury,

1250
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: maybe the time that you were feeling like you weren't

1251
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 2: really in love with your sport right before you experienced

1252
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: that bad injury. You have an opportunity to offer yourself

1253
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 2: one piece of advice looking back on that hurdle moment

1254
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 2: right now, what do you tell yourself?

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01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: Don't chase perfection, just chase the best.

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01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 2: To you, Thank you so much for your time today.

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01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 2: I had such a nice time talking to you.

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01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Please take a moment and leave a quick review by

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01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 2: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We

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01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 2: all face multiple hurdles in life, and I want to

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01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 2: hear about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at

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Speaker 2: hurdle dot us, Connect with the pod on Instagram and

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Speaker 2: Twitter at Hurdle Podcast. Aisha. How do they keep up

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Speaker 2: with you? Where do they find you? Give me the details.

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Speaker 1: I am most active on Instagram and my handle is

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01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: my name at Aisha Pratlear and I respond to dms,

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01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: so if you've got anything to say to me, I'll reply.

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Speaker 2: I love that tidbit. I love that tidbit. I am

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Speaker 2: at Emily a Body at Hurdle Podcast, Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time