WEBVTT - Paul’s Inappropriate Boss One Year Later

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Laurie Gottlieb. I'm the author of Maybe You Should

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to Someone, and I write the Dear Therapist advice

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<v Speaker 1>column for the Atlantic. And I'm Guy Wench. I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>author of Emotional First Aid, and I write the Dear

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<v Speaker 1>Guy advice column for Ted. And this is Dear Therapists.

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<v Speaker 1>This week, we're going to check in on a guest

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<v Speaker 1>from season two to hear how they're doing a year later. First,

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<v Speaker 1>a quick note, Dear Therapists is for informational purposes only,

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<v Speaker 1>does not constitute medical or psychological advice, and is not

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<v Speaker 1>a substitute for professional health care advice, diagnosis, or treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>Always seek the advice of your physician, mental health professional,

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<v Speaker 1>or other qualified health provider with any questions you may

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<v Speaker 1>for length and clarity. In the sessions you'll hear, all

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<v Speaker 1>names have been changed for the privacy of our guests. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to check in with Paul. Paul's episode was

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<v Speaker 1>called Paul's Inappropriate Boss, and the story was that Paul

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<v Speaker 1>worked in the library with Sharon, his boss, and she

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<v Speaker 1>would text him after work hours, all kinds of late

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<v Speaker 1>hours of the night, even though Paul asked her not

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<v Speaker 1>to do it and to respect his private time. She

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<v Speaker 1>would also delegate her own responsibilities to him but not

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<v Speaker 1>credit him for handling them, and she would violate his

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<v Speaker 1>boundaries in other ways. Now, Paul tried setting limits with Sharon,

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<v Speaker 1>but he felt she wasn't respecting those limits, and since

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<v Speaker 1>she was his boss, he also felt powerless as to

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<v Speaker 1>what else he could do as a subordinate without risking

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<v Speaker 1>his job or opportunities for advancement. Sharon Aciety enjoyed being

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<v Speaker 1>a librarian. He just wasn't sure what path to take

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<v Speaker 1>given his current situation. So let's get a reminder from

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<v Speaker 1>that session. Sharon, for example, I kind of went back

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<v Speaker 1>into that situation where you know, just by her walking in,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be able to tell by the look on her

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<v Speaker 1>face if she was going to be crowdy all day.

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<v Speaker 1>She would kind of contact me outside of work to

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<v Speaker 1>keep that conversation going. I would just see my phone

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<v Speaker 1>light up and be a text message, and I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if this is work related and I'm not at work,

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<v Speaker 1>I really would like if you could just email me instead.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't really do that. So I think generally it's

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<v Speaker 1>just this predisposition to being so into and in tune

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<v Speaker 1>with people and then modifying my behavior to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm not making them angry and anything. That also

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<v Speaker 1>goes along with why I have so much difficulty with

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<v Speaker 1>like the second guessing kind of thing, where if I

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<v Speaker 1>do set a boundary, I think to myself, am I

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<v Speaker 1>being mean? Is this you know? Am I presenting it

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<v Speaker 1>in the wrong way? Is it reasonable? Yeah? Exactly. You're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Dear Therapists from my Heart Radio. We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back after a short break, so let's see how Paul

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<v Speaker 1>is doing a year later. Hey Laurie, Hey guy, it's Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm calling to update you about how things have

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<v Speaker 1>been since I was on the show. So since being on,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say that my level of stress and anxiety around

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<v Speaker 1>work and working with Sharon has come down almost to

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<v Speaker 1>the point of being non existent. Of course, there's periods

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<v Speaker 1>of time when that's not the case, but I've gotten

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<v Speaker 1>a lot better at figuring out how to set boundaries

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<v Speaker 1>to make my day a little bit easier. I've continued

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<v Speaker 1>to read a lot about boundaries and mental health and

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<v Speaker 1>spend a lot of time sharing content from the mental

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<v Speaker 1>health community on Instagram, including the content from you, Laurie

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<v Speaker 1>and Guy. And I've really enjoyed how many of my

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<v Speaker 1>friends have been sharing the same content and initiating conversations

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<v Speaker 1>with me about boundaries. So the issues I had when

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<v Speaker 1>we talked are nearly gone at this point, and I

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<v Speaker 1>feel completely different about the situation than I did when

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<v Speaker 1>we first talked. Like Laurie said, Sharon tried to slip

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<v Speaker 1>text in every now and again after our conversation, so

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<v Speaker 1>I reminded her, usually in person when we were back

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<v Speaker 1>in the office, that I wouldn't respond to messages when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm off work. Eventually she stopped and would mention to

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<v Speaker 1>me how she wanted to send me something over the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend but decided she shouldn't because she didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>bother me during my time off. So it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>she did actually understand what I was asking for when

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<v Speaker 1>we had our conversation about not talking outside of work.

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<v Speaker 1>There's actually some changes coming up, and Sharon is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be my boss anymore after next month, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think the dynamic is going to continue to change

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<v Speaker 1>for the better. As a result of our conversation, I've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten so much better at understanding and being aware of

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<v Speaker 1>how much control I actually have in every relationship. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been able to accept that I can't control others, and

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<v Speaker 1>I can use what I know about people or what

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<v Speaker 1>I might anticipate they will do to help me make

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<v Speaker 1>better choices about how I want to handle things. So

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<v Speaker 1>because of that, I feel a lot less responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>how others respond to me and a lot more responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for doing what's best for me. Since I don't get

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<v Speaker 1>much fulfillment from the relationships I have with people at work,

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<v Speaker 1>I've made it a point to make some new friends

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<v Speaker 1>and set up recurring called some people I really enjoy,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's helped me make up for what I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get when I'm in the office. This situation I experienced

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty difficult for me, but what's come amount of

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<v Speaker 1>it has been great. I feel like my relationships have

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<v Speaker 1>become so much better, and I'm better able to recognize

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<v Speaker 1>people who are good for me to be around. The

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<v Speaker 1>most important thing I realized was how much my mindset

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<v Speaker 1>was the same was it was when I was younger

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<v Speaker 1>and had no choice about to be obedient, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it was harmful to me. Listening back to the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>episode is actually a little scary to see how much

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<v Speaker 1>we can imprison ourselves based on what we think and

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<v Speaker 1>how I thought that there wasn't anything I can do

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<v Speaker 1>to make my situation better. Knowing how much control I

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<v Speaker 1>do actually have incredibly important, because it's true in every

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<v Speaker 1>relationship I have, and there are very few circumstances where

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<v Speaker 1>anyone can be a hundred percent stock. I've taken what

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<v Speaker 1>I've learned from our conversation. I've applied it to all

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<v Speaker 1>of my relationships. I feel so much more comfortable having

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<v Speaker 1>and expressing what I need, and when people show me

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<v Speaker 1>that they can or won't follow what I'm asking for,

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<v Speaker 1>I adjust my mindset expectations accordingly. Of course, it's still

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<v Speaker 1>disappointing when I find that someone is unable to respect

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<v Speaker 1>my boundaries, but the reality is that everyone's not from

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not for everyone, so it's okay to not

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<v Speaker 1>expect that everyone can and will be able to respect

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<v Speaker 1>my boundaries. All this time later, and I'm still really

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for the conversation that we had. Each time I've

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<v Speaker 1>listened to the podcast again, I've heard another layer of

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<v Speaker 1>kindness and compassion from you both, and I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>having had you both to encourage me. I think my

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with Sharon gave me permission to set boundaries everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>in my life, and it only gets easier each time.

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<v Speaker 1>For anyone listening, I really want them to know that

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<v Speaker 1>I can seem really hard and scary to advocate for

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<v Speaker 1>yourself when no one around you who's ever respected your boundaries,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can still set them, and you really should

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<v Speaker 1>be proud of yourself when you do, no matter the

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<v Speaker 1>response you get. What I love about hearing from people

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<v Speaker 1>a year later is that we know what happened the

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<v Speaker 1>week after we had a session with them, and usually

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<v Speaker 1>there's some progress that's made, but a year later you

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<v Speaker 1>can really see how the session has impacted their life

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<v Speaker 1>in a much more global way. And I love what

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<v Speaker 1>Paul said about how when he started setting boundaries at work,

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<v Speaker 1>it translated to other areas of his life and now

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<v Speaker 1>he applies it to all of his relationships. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think the other important thing is that he was able

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<v Speaker 1>to see from our conversation the connection between his inability

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<v Speaker 1>to set boundaries as a child and that feeling of

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<v Speaker 1>helplessness and then not being able to do that as

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<v Speaker 1>an adult and realizing that he is free to do

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<v Speaker 1>that now. He isn't shackled in that way. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think when people make those connections, that's the first step

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<v Speaker 1>in really setting themselves free and being able to set

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<v Speaker 1>expectations for what they want in their relationships. I completely agree,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think after a year you can see not

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<v Speaker 1>just what he understood and is applying, but what he

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<v Speaker 1>really internalized. And what he's internalized is the message here

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<v Speaker 1>that boundaries are a statement about what you won't accept,

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<v Speaker 1>not about what the other person should do. And that

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<v Speaker 1>helps you because you can only be responsible for setting

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<v Speaker 1>the boundary, not for whether they listen to it. You

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<v Speaker 1>might have to keep setting it. And he really got that,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sounds like he doesn't get triggered when that

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<v Speaker 1>happens occasionally with Sharon anymore. He very calm about it

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<v Speaker 1>because he understands that's not a reflection on him. That

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<v Speaker 1>he'll just repeat the boundary. And then sure enough she

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<v Speaker 1>actually comes to him and says, at some point, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna text you, but I didn't because I

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<v Speaker 1>know you don't like it. So there's the proof of

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<v Speaker 1>the pudding that he really got it, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>so consistent that she finally got it. And what he

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<v Speaker 1>did so beautifully was he maintained the boundary. I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people feel like, if I set the

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<v Speaker 1>boundary and then the other person violates my boundary, then

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<v Speaker 1>the boundary has failed. And what people start to discover

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<v Speaker 1>about boundaries is that they need to be maintained. That

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<v Speaker 1>simply and clearly. You need to repeat the boundary, often

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<v Speaker 1>for quite a while in the beginning, until the person

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<v Speaker 1>really gets it. And it sounds like even when Sharon

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<v Speaker 1>tested those boundaries, he was able to stay clear about

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<v Speaker 1>what his boundary was. And I know that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of our listeners have issues with boundaries, a because we

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<v Speaker 1>hear from them about that, and be because given no work,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that a lot of people have trouble setting boundaries.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, the typical mistake is they might set the boundary,

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<v Speaker 1>but then they don't maintain it. What we're hearing from

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<v Speaker 1>Paul is that once he learned to do it in

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<v Speaker 1>one domain, in one relationship, he's been able to do

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<v Speaker 1>it in others. And I think the tip for our

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<v Speaker 1>listeners here is that this is a skill set if

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<v Speaker 1>you need to develop it, start with the easiest people

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<v Speaker 1>with whom you can set the boundary and maintain it.

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<v Speaker 1>And once you've acquired the skill set and see that

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<v Speaker 1>it works despite the emotional discomfort of having to repeatedly

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<v Speaker 1>set the boundary, that gives you more confidence to than

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<v Speaker 1>apply it in other relationships. And what Paul said is

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<v Speaker 1>really important that it can be scary to set boundaries,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the beginning, if you haven't had the experience

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<v Speaker 1>of people respecting your wants or your needs earlier in life.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm so glad that he acknowledged that, because think

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people feel like, well, what's wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with me that I'm so scared to set a boundary?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you see with Paul, he was afraid,

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<v Speaker 1>he pushed through and it really worked out well for him.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hope that listeners will go back and listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the episode Paul's Inappropriate Boss here where he was

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<v Speaker 1>back then and learned something about themselves and how they

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<v Speaker 1>can set boundaries from Paul's experience. And it's funny because

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<v Speaker 1>Paul said, when I re listened to the episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>learned something new. Each time there's a new layer that

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<v Speaker 1>he discovers, and I think our listeners will have the

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<v Speaker 1>same experience. But Laurie, I want to tell you something.

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to one of our episodes a few days

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<v Speaker 1>ago from last season, and I heard new layers and

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<v Speaker 1>some of the things that you were saying. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't attend to all the information all at once.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time you listen, you learn something. These are episodes

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<v Speaker 1>that are worth really listening to, especially if you have

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of issue, some kind of difficulty in that

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<v Speaker 1>similar domain. Next week, a woman who has elaborate revenge

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<v Speaker 1>fantasies about the people in her life wants to understand

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<v Speaker 1>why she does this and how she can stop. I

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<v Speaker 1>have no training and how to have a positive conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it feels shameful as a grown woman that

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<v Speaker 1>I can't defend myself, and so I chake all about

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss with us, email us at Lorie and Guy

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<v Speaker 1>at I heart media dot com. Our executive producer is

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<v Speaker 1>Noel Brown. We have produced and edited by Josh Fisher,

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<v Speaker 1>additional editing support by Helena Rosen, John Washington and Zachary Fisher.

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<v Speaker 1>Our interns are Ben Bernstein, Emily Gucierres and Silver Lifton

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<v Speaker 1>and special thanks to our podcast Fairy Godmother Katie Curic.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't wait to see you at our next session.

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