Speaker 1: This is the me Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless,
Speaker 1: severely bug bitten, and in my case, underwearless because I'm
Speaker 1: wearing my swim trunks from the jungles of Bolivia. And
Speaker 1: we've been out in the jungle jungle for how long?
Speaker 1: Eight days? Eight days? And we're back now, stranded in
Speaker 1: a Catholic mission out in the jungle because the plane
Speaker 1: couldn't fly. We're a couple hundred miles due north of
Speaker 1: Santa Cruz, Bolivia. Um on the flight out here, you
Speaker 1: just pass like a hundred miles of uninterrupted jungle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably a lot of like slash and burned eggs, so
Speaker 1: much soul that the skies, you know, the low VI's
Speaker 1: ability due to smoke. But then you eventually get out
Speaker 1: of that just flower jungle and you laying here. There's
Speaker 1: no road system here because there's an airstrip and it's
Speaker 1: just a native community. The tribe is called Chimana chaman
Speaker 1: a territory. And we've been up a river with a
Speaker 1: bunch of Chimani guys hunting fishing. We've been up there
Speaker 1: just getting some good stuff. Some bad stuff happened to us.
Speaker 1: Now we're back here, stranded it's hot. No one's wearing
Speaker 1: her clothes except Dorty, who's got his um one of
Speaker 1: his dirty buys those t shirts of you ever been
Speaker 1: like gas stations in Montana or places where they sell
Speaker 1: those airbr or to be like a full moon and
Speaker 1: like some wolves heads, or like well, this is what's
Speaker 1: this question? This is a this is a winged Native
Speaker 1: American on top of a winged horse. And it used
Speaker 1: to say, Idaho, No, the horse isn't winged. It's not
Speaker 1: oh no, but it's it's cloudy, and there's a horse
Speaker 1: sort of racing. Then eagle with a winged um planes warrior.
Speaker 1: This used to say, Ida, hope, I once buried, accidentally
Speaker 1: buried this shirt in the on a beach on Lake Ponder.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd hope for three months. I lost it
Speaker 1: one night swimming and then came back three months later
Speaker 1: and found it buried in the sec Did you go
Speaker 1: digging quarter or no? No, that trip that you found it.
Speaker 1: So we have a ton of ground to cover. We
Speaker 1: gotta talk about getting bit by bullet ants. We gotta
Speaker 1: talk about eating monkey meat, um the giant catfish called
Speaker 1: the maturo. We gotta talk about eating unfathomable quantities of
Speaker 1: dried salted meat, rotten sometimes sometimes rotten another. At first,
Speaker 1: I want to say, who's here? Philbert Bearaboo out of
Speaker 1: bows here? Friends call him Phil and he's a what
Speaker 1: do you what do you like to go by? Cinematographer?
Speaker 1: Philbert's a cinematographer. Um is it Phil? Look for real
Speaker 1: or just Phil? Philip real? Philip there is a cinematographer
Speaker 1: based out of Bosa, Montana. This is the first time
Speaker 1: he ever came out with us. This whole reason we're here,
Speaker 1: like why we're here is we were doing a mediator
Speaker 1: episode and then Jannes would tell us, um, who is
Speaker 1: no longer long tong Yanni. He's now Yanni Chimani based
Speaker 1: on his ability to excel at jungle craft here in
Speaker 1: Chamani territory particularly, he started out very strong shooting native bows.
Speaker 1: These guys Chimani make their bows. Let's introduced everybody, and
Speaker 1: then just get into it. Geez is here. That concludes
Speaker 1: And of course Dan Dougherty's here. You need a producer,
Speaker 1: director man all things and um and these those how
Speaker 1: do I even start with talking about Chani Indians amer Indians.
Speaker 1: It's like a term like you don't like a Canadian'd
Speaker 1: say First Nations people. Right in Alaska, you say Native Alaska.
Speaker 1: In the US, we say Indian Native American. Sort of
Speaker 1: the proper term down here is amer Indian. Is that
Speaker 1: it actually proper though? I think so? Hear you say
Speaker 1: that amer Indian? Yeah? Really, yeah, I haven't heard that often.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you hear? Indigenous indigenous? But
Speaker 1: I think amer Indian is an indigenous South American. I
Speaker 1: could be totally wrong. Maybe indigenous South Americans. The name
Speaker 1: is Chermanic. Now my understanding is that they came up,
Speaker 1: like there was another people here some time ago, some
Speaker 1: hundreds of years ago, and the Chermany came up these
Speaker 1: rivers and like through warfare, eyes soon colonize these river
Speaker 1: systems here, and whoever they pushed ahead of them, they
Speaker 1: pushed out. And there's legend that there's still like there's
Speaker 1: probably this legend a lot of places. But some of
Speaker 1: these guys talk about legend or warnings that up some
Speaker 1: of these rivers, the headwaters of some of these rivers
Speaker 1: in this area, they're still uncontacted. People's called the ancient ones.
Speaker 1: That they call the ancient ones would be that the
Speaker 1: Chimani pushed them out. The Chimani lived by uh small
Speaker 1: garden plots, so they live in hole was built entirely
Speaker 1: of native materials, so like a bamboo type framework thatched roofs.
Speaker 1: They have garden plots where they grow plantain, pineapple, yucca,
Speaker 1: yucca fruit, lemons, limes, papa guabo, a plant called barbasque
Speaker 1: barbasco which they used the poison fish um and they
Speaker 1: draw their protein largely from the river Um. They have
Speaker 1: some modern forms of fishing where they have access to nets,
Speaker 1: they have access to monel filament and hand lines. But
Speaker 1: they kill a lot of fish by using bows and arrows,
Speaker 1: and they kill a lot of fish um using something
Speaker 1: we'll talk about a minute called this like that they
Speaker 1: poison fish the stuff called barbasco. But anyway, he's like
Speaker 1: on the surface level what we were doing, because we're
Speaker 1: coming on here with these guys who are establishing a business,
Speaker 1: trying to establish a business, have established business taking people
Speaker 1: up the targets called dorato and like a dorado's this big,
Speaker 1: I mean it's in the same broader grouping as prime
Speaker 1: as where it has these really pronounced teeth and a
Speaker 1: strong job out front it's a very robust fish that
Speaker 1: will take a fly right. They're aggressive, pasciferous fish and
Speaker 1: a bitch slap a fly. So it's kind of like
Speaker 1: the new It's like sort of like the new frontier
Speaker 1: of fly fishing is to come out, come down to
Speaker 1: the jungles in South American. Try to catch a drittle
Speaker 1: drawing means gold you all see him called golden drafto.
Speaker 1: These big golden fish. They almost gonta resemble salmon structurally,
Speaker 1: you know, thick. I mean, these fish got shoulders on,
Speaker 1: very powerful fish. Um Chimani like to eat them. But
Speaker 1: these guys are trying to establish catching release thing where
Speaker 1: dudes like Westerners will come out to try to catch one. Frankly,
Speaker 1: going into it, I couldn't really, I mean I've caught
Speaker 1: the things before in Argentina. I couldn't really. I wasn't
Speaker 1: that excited about the prospect that coming out and catching them.
Speaker 1: But what intrigued me was just the river travel where
Speaker 1: you're going up into areas that these guys are pushing
Speaker 1: up into areas up this river here that we're on
Speaker 1: where like the chimana haven't even been you know, they
Speaker 1: go way up to the headwaters this river. So it's
Speaker 1: a really interesting journey. And also there, I think they
Speaker 1: treat me a lot. Was hanging out with the natives
Speaker 1: because they bring all their stuff to you know, the
Speaker 1: hunting fish, and so we did a lot of that,
Speaker 1: and um, the fishing frankly was sucking. Yeah, this was
Speaker 1: a fishing guy for a long time. What would you
Speaker 1: say about the fishing, Joanny? It was like fishing conditions
Speaker 1: were terrible conditions we saw as far as like turbidity levels.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how they measure them, but I
Speaker 1: think it's they like lowered like a white plate on
Speaker 1: a rope, you know, down into the water and then
Speaker 1: at what point you can you know, still see the
Speaker 1: white play And I say the best that we saw, yeah,
Speaker 1: to test surbidity. And the best that we saw, I'd
Speaker 1: say if it was like an eight inch white plate
Speaker 1: was maybe a foot and that might be generous. You know,
Speaker 1: they test tenderness on me. I just think all the
Speaker 1: Warner Bruntler Sheer Forest tests. We'll say that for another podcast. Um,
Speaker 1: it rained like holy hell. So anyways, Yeah, it's to
Speaker 1: bring it into everyone's turn as a fishing guide. If
Speaker 1: I would have come and seen conditions like this, you
Speaker 1: would most likely just turn around and take folks back
Speaker 1: to their hotel or whatever. But here we can offer
Speaker 1: a discount the future. No, no, it's not just cancel
Speaker 1: the trip and just just take it. Yeah, because no,
Speaker 1: you know that fishing is gonna be very very especially
Speaker 1: fly fishing. You know where the fish really need to
Speaker 1: be able to see a fly. But in our case,
Speaker 1: it took us four days, five days to just get
Speaker 1: to our location. So it's not like you can just
Speaker 1: turn around at that point with promises of a lot
Speaker 1: of not only clear, but like crystal clear and blue turquoise,
Speaker 1: vodica colored. But when this river is clean, it's it's
Speaker 1: we saw pictures and videos of it, just like Paradise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw a picture. Feels amazing. And when the thing
Speaker 1: is down here, you're trying to coincide when you come
Speaker 1: down the fish, you're trying to come the dry season,
Speaker 1: because when you know it's underneath all the vegetation, the
Speaker 1: jungle and on the beach is just this red mud,
Speaker 1: kind of nasty mud, clay clay, right, so when it rains,
Speaker 1: the river just turns red, reddish brown rust. It turns
Speaker 1: rust color and you can't see ship right. So in
Speaker 1: the moment we witnessed numerous landslides that big ones, big
Speaker 1: ones big enough to kill people, are definitely big enough
Speaker 1: to bury you car sized rocks. That one was the
Speaker 1: car size for sure, certainly enough mud and one like
Speaker 1: one big splooge that it would could you know, muddy
Speaker 1: out a river of you knowfs, no problem, and you
Speaker 1: to do this trip properly. You want to come down
Speaker 1: during the dry season. And we thought I was on
Speaker 1: the impression of dry season. And we got down here
Speaker 1: and it was kind of all, this are the tail
Speaker 1: end of the dry season, and it rained all the
Speaker 1: time and mud everything. But we're getting out of ourselves.
Speaker 1: So to get to this place, what you do? You?
Speaker 1: I went Seattle to Houston, Houston, Lehman Prue, Leman Prue
Speaker 1: to Santa Cruz, Bolivia overnight and in the hotel. Then
Speaker 1: we got on some Cessina's like charter assessments were those
Speaker 1: like Forest No. Six six Sessinas and flew out to
Speaker 1: a very rough you know air strip kind of hacked
Speaker 1: into the jungle a couple hundred miles away, so a
Speaker 1: two hour or two and a half hour direct like
Speaker 1: flying you landed a little aira strip from here, we
Speaker 1: got into a bunch of dugout canoes. These boats are
Speaker 1: sweet because they the most of local guys and they're
Speaker 1: building one just for personal use, like family use. They
Speaker 1: just used a treat, so their whole rat, their whole
Speaker 1: boat is just huge from a treat like a dugout.
Speaker 1: Very very long boats. Yeah, very narrow, very long boats.
Speaker 1: So it's like you got to be have a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, control and discipline to riding these boatsed
Speaker 1: up flipping them. We're these bigger ones. If you think
Speaker 1: they're made that, I got a question for you. Think
Speaker 1: they're made that way for efficiency for traveling up and
Speaker 1: down the river. So you can think it's bost boat,
Speaker 1: the most boat you can get out of the tree man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say it's a practical thing. So if the
Speaker 1: tree was bigger, they would have a um like a
Speaker 1: greater ballast. Maybe, I don't know. They answered that. That's
Speaker 1: a good question. These boats are like you see some
Speaker 1: on the water. I'm not exaggerated, say they're twenty inches wide.
Speaker 1: You see six seven people big. I mean look imagine
Speaker 1: like a big long, skinny tree hould out. But the
Speaker 1: ones we were in. We climbed into four boats that
Speaker 1: the base like the whole was one tree with the
Speaker 1: nig from a from the same country. They cut planks
Speaker 1: and make the boat taller. What you're thinking our boats
Speaker 1: are twenty what some of the ones you see on
Speaker 1: the water. No, our boats are wide enough to set
Speaker 1: up like a lawn chair in it. Put a ton
Speaker 1: of weight. So we're running how many guys in the boat?
Speaker 1: You know that many dudes plus very small amount of
Speaker 1: gear um and they're pushed by these eric cooled engines
Speaker 1: that resemble a go devil or a mud buddy. But
Speaker 1: they're made in Thailand. It's a it's like an air
Speaker 1: cooled engine amount on. It's like a Honda motor with
Speaker 1: a very a company in Thailand with a very unfortunate
Speaker 1: name of KKK who builds the shaft in prop and
Speaker 1: so it's like this Thailand company KKK puts this what's
Speaker 1: got like a six ft shaft a very very small
Speaker 1: propel around it. The used to run the rivers. The
Speaker 1: maneuver ability of these boats is so pissed poor. You
Speaker 1: gotta have a dude up front the push pole because
Speaker 1: you're not going to steer to some bit. So you
Speaker 1: got a guy in the back with this long long boat,
Speaker 1: I mean like well over twenty long both and a
Speaker 1: six ft shaft on the back with a teeny little prop,
Speaker 1: and and one or two dudes up front push pole
Speaker 1: and the guy in back to help push pole to
Speaker 1: run these rivers. And so we've all pile into this
Speaker 1: stuff and travel up river. And along the way you
Speaker 1: pass these communities. And these communities are all Chamane, and
Speaker 1: they might have The biggest one was Coucci Sum. It's
Speaker 1: called Cucci Sound. It's like a hundred and some people
Speaker 1: living in it, not right in the right, not right
Speaker 1: in the village, but in the larger Couci Sum area.
Speaker 1: I think it was like fifteen families, a hundred fifty
Speaker 1: people or something like that. Yeah. Basically, like if you
Speaker 1: go up rivers, so maybe if you go up river
Speaker 1: ten miles as the crow flies, which is twenty five
Speaker 1: river miles, you go up and pass these small little villages,
Speaker 1: these native villages, and they get more sort of not
Speaker 1: they seem to get a little more non Western, non
Speaker 1: Western iss are like fewer Western influences as you go
Speaker 1: up river, and the last one you come to is
Speaker 1: that this they're all muslimer at tributaries. The last one.
Speaker 1: There's this tributary called Channing, and there's a town there, Pachenning,
Speaker 1: and it seems to kind of be like a family.
Speaker 1: It is, it's one. It's one family and Pochenna run
Speaker 1: by a man who likes to pull a cord um,
Speaker 1: very intoxicated man, as we found. And then once you
Speaker 1: pass the Channing there's nothing up ver. You go up
Speaker 1: in it and it just gets wilder and you get
Speaker 1: into the mountains. So you start out and you're in
Speaker 1: flat ground and you start climb up in the mountains.
Speaker 1: The first day we went up, so we went up
Speaker 1: in camp. You're pushing up river, got up troubled all
Speaker 1: day again camped realized that the chimane dudes or someone
Speaker 1: the blame fell on them. But I think it's more complicated.
Speaker 1: It's like, definitely more complicated. That someone forgot something back
Speaker 1: in town, the fishing balls. Someone forgot some fishing routs,
Speaker 1: not all of some of the fishing rods back in town.
Speaker 1: And when I say town, I mean the mission we
Speaker 1: started we flew into and I forgot my my little
Speaker 1: fan too. That was the real reason, don't he forgot
Speaker 1: his fans, So we had to stop for a day
Speaker 1: and send some shining guys down. So but there's how many.
Speaker 1: There's four of us too, you know, like western educated
Speaker 1: Oblivion's one lives in the US who run this organization,
Speaker 1: and then a grand total. We started out with Himani
Speaker 1: isn't picked up two more. Tremonti is in another village.
Speaker 1: So horride, we were like the old days. We were
Speaker 1: like back to the nineteenth century expedition. Like we're like
Speaker 1: when Roosevelt went to Africa to hunt and they had
Speaker 1: a hundred and some porters carrying the stuff to hunt.
Speaker 1: It was like that. It fell off a lot oftentimes
Speaker 1: like a school field trip. Like when everybody got moving
Speaker 1: and going, i mean walking down those trails, there were
Speaker 1: a lot of heads to count. It felt to me
Speaker 1: like a like a like nineteenth century exploration element, like
Speaker 1: someone like hand them lemonades the whole time his native
Speaker 1: dudes carry everything around. There's a lot of people, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of way. It was just it was by
Speaker 1: far the biggest expedition that we've ever I mean we've
Speaker 1: done some large expeditions, but not I'm part of this
Speaker 1: a question of efficiency. It wasn't especially efficient. The only
Speaker 1: time having that many dudes came in handy was packing
Speaker 1: up camp, like you can't packed up pretty quick. But
Speaker 1: then is like a lot of people have nothing to do,
Speaker 1: but they're all having a good time because they're getting
Speaker 1: paid and they're getting to go somewhere cool, and it's
Speaker 1: better hunting fishing than it is at home, or certainly
Speaker 1: has the potential to be a lot better hunting and fishing.
Speaker 1: It doesn't home. And then these guys might grow up
Speaker 1: and live their whole lives on the river but have
Speaker 1: never gone up the river as far as we went.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad there's that man, though, because just
Speaker 1: in it's just in the sense of meeting that many
Speaker 1: different guys, because that was it was handy to have
Speaker 1: them around when we're drinking at night and like just
Speaker 1: getting at home. But I was on I was made
Speaker 1: uncomfortable by it at first, because it's it's like when
Speaker 1: you envisioned like impoverished people from other countries thinking about Americans, right,
Speaker 1: you're sort of almost coming down like living like probably
Speaker 1: the worst suspicions, like dudes who stand around watching you
Speaker 1: carry their stuff around for them, and it just made
Speaker 1: me a little bit uncomfortable because like you want to
Speaker 1: be self sufficient and have some and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we're from America, world's most powerful country, richest country,
Speaker 1: carrying my stuff, you know, just so this is awkward
Speaker 1: for me. But at the same time, how can you
Speaker 1: fall to do it for wanting to make some money? Man?
Speaker 1: And in the end, in the end of all this resolved,
Speaker 1: and then all this is great, and we made some
Speaker 1: good friends despite a humongous language barrier because the chermany
Speaker 1: some of them speak a little bit of Spanish, but
Speaker 1: the Chianti speak Chimani. The guys were with who organized
Speaker 1: semi organized the expedition, Um, they speak Spanish, and so
Speaker 1: you're getting for us English speakers. Don't he speak Spanish
Speaker 1: a bit? We're getting everything sort of third story. So anyways,
Speaker 1: we started the river. We spend the afternoon traveling camp
Speaker 1: on the river bank. Okay, just tent camp on the
Speaker 1: river bank. Wake up, spend the whole day traveling up river,
Speaker 1: tent camp on the river bank. Realize that something was forgotten.
Speaker 1: So these guys get scolded in a way that I
Speaker 1: felt was in a prop you and some of them
Speaker 1: are sent back down river to retrieve these rods. We
Speaker 1: then spend twenty four hours waiting for them to run
Speaker 1: all night and all day to come back up to
Speaker 1: that point. There a rainstorm that night, thunderstorm, big storm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What was cool about about their run that that was
Speaker 1: interesting is like the next day we're in camp or
Speaker 1: they showed up. At some point We're like, man, where
Speaker 1: did all these big sabolo come from? And as those
Speaker 1: boys are running all night long, they had these fish
Speaker 1: the salvo oak, which we should talk about, but just
Speaker 1: jumping in the boat. Yeah, there's just herbivorous fish are
Speaker 1: called sabolo, and it's sort of the base of the river.
Speaker 1: So it's like the fish that everybody eats isablo. All
Speaker 1: the big fish eat sabo and the natives eat a
Speaker 1: slow and they're everywhere. Man, it was funny because we're
Speaker 1: going up in Janice was trying to think. He's like,
Speaker 1: I think I've seen these fish before where some dude
Speaker 1: goes out at night and shines a light the fish.
Speaker 1: I'll start jumping out of the water when these guys
Speaker 1: get backed from going down and get the rise. We
Speaker 1: spent the whole day digging around camp and they go
Speaker 1: back to get the rods. They come back and they
Speaker 1: got a mountain a sa blow and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the hell are they doing? How are they catching them all?
Speaker 1: And just apparently all the sablow jumped in their boat
Speaker 1: while they're running down river at night in a big
Speaker 1: soa blow and they go to like three pounds four pounds.
Speaker 1: There's a hell of a lot of sabolo as long
Speaker 1: as your hand. There's you know, a lot. They're big.
Speaker 1: They come back up. Do we even bother traveling up
Speaker 1: river that night? We didn't. In a very short run
Speaker 1: of about two maybe three hours, traveled up river again,
Speaker 1: camp down the bank. At this point we've been digging
Speaker 1: with fishing, and no one's called a thing yet. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think we had one white maybe had one bite
Speaker 1: a ad and the fish got that's right. We threw
Speaker 1: a cast net, caught some sabol over the casting net.
Speaker 1: Wake up the next day, travel all day again and
Speaker 1: reach as high as you can get the boats they
Speaker 1: called ass which is like a pepper. That's a pepper
Speaker 1: nangs to grow up there and grow pepper, And that's
Speaker 1: kind of the end of line. You're not gonna get
Speaker 1: a boat anywhere beyond that, even though it's still a shipload.
Speaker 1: The river up a boat and you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: a boat past that point. But then we're how many
Speaker 1: days into this four? I think it's day we got
Speaker 1: the main camp, so four days to get there. We
Speaker 1: realize we only got three or four days to be there.
Speaker 1: And the river, even though it's like I suppose like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, how you go clear, it gets all that,
Speaker 1: just the river looks like garbage. So we plan out
Speaker 1: right when we can't fish, So the first thing we're
Speaker 1: gonna do is go out in the jungle to hunt
Speaker 1: with the Chamani. Now Inblivi, it's like, technically this is
Speaker 1: something I have to look intymore. It's sort of illegal behunt,
Speaker 1: but everybody hunts. There's just no like hunting is completely unregulated, okay,
Speaker 1: because the indigenous people have still I don't say, like
Speaker 1: complete autonomy there. Yeah, I said. The way I was
Speaker 1: explained to us is just that that nobody. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it would be legal economy, but it would
Speaker 1: just be like they get to do what they do.
Speaker 1: There's no regulated honey, So there's no seasons, there's no
Speaker 1: bag limits, right, It's like offer the people to decide
Speaker 1: what they do. These guys like the hunt at night. Um,
Speaker 1: they primarily hunt at night with flashlights with bows. And
Speaker 1: it seems to be that recently what the technology has
Speaker 1: been rolling in as break open shotguns. Oh yeah, double
Speaker 1: douce as they got twenty two to the guys, to
Speaker 1: the older guys that were kind of like seemed like
Speaker 1: pretty experienced. I want to stay woodsman, pretty experienced jungleman.
Speaker 1: Just dude Marko and his dude Alberto. When we picked
Speaker 1: this guy Alberto up in one of the upper villages.
Speaker 1: He when I bought a bow from him, and I'll
Speaker 1: talk of these bowls real quick. They make bows entirely
Speaker 1: a native material, so that the actual bow was one piece.
Speaker 1: It's not laminated. It's just like one carved piece. There's
Speaker 1: a plant. They make fibers from a plant and they
Speaker 1: weave it. First string. The arrow is is bead with
Speaker 1: a fore shaft and the reeds soft and they what
Speaker 1: do you call that like the string like serving they're
Speaker 1: serving on each end of the of the shaft made
Speaker 1: from another plant that they we even do a string
Speaker 1: a thread cord and wrap it. They fletch it with
Speaker 1: different feathers either curves out or we saw what else
Speaker 1: can with the toucan. I think feathers on the toucan.
Speaker 1: The bow and the tip are made of bamboo, some
Speaker 1: form of bamboo. Yeah, but there's a shafts like a
Speaker 1: shoot on bamboo. They make a tip from and and
Speaker 1: everybody carries the same collection of arrows that carry a
Speaker 1: couple of fish points, which are like these long, thin
Speaker 1: points with barbs carved into them, and when you stay long,
Speaker 1: they're kind of close to two feet. Well, the whole
Speaker 1: day of Errol's eighteen inches two feet, the whole day
Speaker 1: of errols four feet tall. Yeah, it's definitely the longest
Speaker 1: arrow you've ever seen. And the point is made long
Speaker 1: because you're gonna be shooting fish and shallow rocky water
Speaker 1: constantly dulling it, and so that you can quickly resharpened
Speaker 1: and be back in the game. So I'm guessing one
Speaker 1: of those points lasts a lot of shots. That's why
Speaker 1: I was most impressed by those fish points in the hardwood,
Speaker 1: and how easily they would pierce the fish, and how
Speaker 1: even maybe better than metal it is just because you
Speaker 1: can sharpen. That was really impressive to me. We could
Speaker 1: have been out with these guys, you know, these other
Speaker 1: like indigenous hunters in in Guyana, and they had they
Speaker 1: probably started with the same set up. I imagine their
Speaker 1: bowls are very similar. But they were running. They had
Speaker 1: hog wires so like that heavy fencing, and they would
Speaker 1: pound fish points out of hogwire and put a barb
Speaker 1: in and with a file um. But you realize that
Speaker 1: they their system was a little bit reliant on mammade
Speaker 1: materials and these guys it's just not like all ship
Speaker 1: from the jungle. Um. Same with the boats. So everybody's
Speaker 1: get up. Like every dude that's got a bowl walks
Speaker 1: around with his bowl and he's got four or five arrows,
Speaker 1: two or three fish points. He's got a blunt tip
Speaker 1: which is like before shaft that's thinner than the end
Speaker 1: of a pool queue with a big wooden blunt. It
Speaker 1: looks like something you use the like when you're when
Speaker 1: you're making a mohedo, like that thing you use the mash.
Speaker 1: The mint leaves up multa ahead and then a big
Speaker 1: game point or a land animal point, which is a
Speaker 1: big it looks like a spear point when you look
Speaker 1: at it, it's actually bamboo and it's sharper ship and
Speaker 1: you can shoot it and then shave off a little
Speaker 1: bit and sharpen it and it's like a spear point,
Speaker 1: no metal whatsoever. And his dude, I was asking him
Speaker 1: how far how much penetration he gets on something like
Speaker 1: a tape here and a tape here, like three pounds
Speaker 1: thick skin. He said he'll get four or five inches
Speaker 1: of penetration at that point. If you don't hit it
Speaker 1: in the heart, you will not find it. So you
Speaker 1: can image edge. The shotguns are pretty popular. When we
Speaker 1: picked this Chimani Alberto up, he was packing. I bought
Speaker 1: a both from him. He was packing another boat with
Speaker 1: two fish arrows, and he brought a sixteen gage Russian
Speaker 1: made shotgun. It looked like it was made eons ago.
Speaker 1: The buck plates said Bocall like Lake Bacall and all
Speaker 1: the shotguns that was made in Russian. I don't think
Speaker 1: he even said sixteen engage on it. I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: And he had a homemade strap made from some quicksilver
Speaker 1: strap like the surf company. So you get there and
Speaker 1: we're like he's like, We're like, what what do you
Speaker 1: want to go hunt? And he wanted to go hunt
Speaker 1: at five o'clock. So we messed around and get a
Speaker 1: late start and me and Dane, don't you start following
Speaker 1: this dude to Alberto and du Marco. Marcos got a bowl,
Speaker 1: he's got his fish points. His spear point is our thing.
Speaker 1: And we started walking. We don't get I don't know.
Speaker 1: We didn't get very far into the jungle, maybe ten
Speaker 1: minutes at the most. I'd said fifteen minutes. And there's
Speaker 1: these little orange things on the ground that looked like
Speaker 1: a you don't look like right, apricot, like dried apricot
Speaker 1: quarters laying on the ground. And Marco turns to me
Speaker 1: and I couldn't tell he's making a symbol to me.
Speaker 1: We can't talk to these guys at all, right, it's
Speaker 1: all just gestures with the word he could use a
Speaker 1: little Spanish out. He turns me and makes a gesture
Speaker 1: like I think he's making a gesture like a roma.
Speaker 1: Like he's sort of running his hand up to his
Speaker 1: nose as though he's like if you were trying to
Speaker 1: cook something and bring the smell of what you're cooking
Speaker 1: up to your nose. By now, think wafting, throw a
Speaker 1: moving for him. And I'm thinking man stuff likes to
Speaker 1: eat the fruit. And it was kind of a smear
Speaker 1: on a leaf, like a ship like smear, and he
Speaker 1: touched that and smelled it. And then they started looking
Speaker 1: up in the tree and there is a monkey, a
Speaker 1: red monkey, red howler monkey, a red howler monkey up
Speaker 1: in the tree. And you feel like the monkey spooked
Speaker 1: a little bit, don't you you know what? Not? I mean,
Speaker 1: it did, but slowly. I think right when we first
Speaker 1: saw it, it it was just it was basically just sitting
Speaker 1: right there, maybe fifteen yards up in the tree, and
Speaker 1: it's slowly. Yeah, I know, I don't know how spooked
Speaker 1: it was. Maybe it was spooked, but I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like it was booking. I felt like it was just so,
Speaker 1: you know, ambling away. Maybe I don't know. I want
Speaker 1: to say to man, these dudes are in tune. These
Speaker 1: dudes I have lived kind of in the same place
Speaker 1: their whole life are super intune what's going on. And
Speaker 1: when you're on the jungle, if you're not, I haven't
Speaker 1: spent much time to the jungle at all. It's bewildering
Speaker 1: how much sound theer is. It's definite, there's all these
Speaker 1: sounds going off. They don't give a ship about most
Speaker 1: of sounds. Let me hear one sound like this, and
Speaker 1: they really interested. Man, even though it's like a hundred
Speaker 1: yards away, they got like what was that? They're like
Speaker 1: that fruit and it's sure if they look on the
Speaker 1: train here. This is how a monkey is. How a
Speaker 1: monkey starts kind of leaving the area. And to do
Speaker 1: with the shotgun goes after it. I live. Nobody tells
Speaker 1: what happens next. Well, it's too disturbed. It's too disturbing
Speaker 1: you to talk about. I didn't actually find that disturbing.
Speaker 1: So we saw the monkey, and all my first thoughts
Speaker 1: obviously we have to turn around looking lightly whole. Look
Speaker 1: at that thing, look at that Describe that somebody, you
Speaker 1: only describe that picture. We've been watching it for probably
Speaker 1: three hours and it's been just constantly this evolving giant
Speaker 1: thunderhead off in the distance. When're very flat country, so
Speaker 1: it's a very big sky and off in the distance
Speaker 1: there's a giant thunderhead that takes up probably the skyline.
Speaker 1: And you know, it looks like as if you had
Speaker 1: a veil, like a veil and behind it were shooting
Speaker 1: off flash bulbs. That's incredible. That's probably why we're here.
Speaker 1: That's probably the storm like that. Yeah, but the lightning
Speaker 1: is almost constant. It's just it's just moving through this
Speaker 1: giant thunderhead illuminating different sections of it. And there's still
Speaker 1: pieces of sun illuminating. Like that cloud in the movie Ghostbusters.
Speaker 1: It looks like that big dark solo cloud comes in
Speaker 1: and get some hardcore jungle ship out here. So anyways,
Speaker 1: here's his monks, there's there's a monkey, here's a shotgun,
Speaker 1: and um so I have all my thinking about it.
Speaker 1: First of all, I just getting one clean shot of
Speaker 1: that monkey in the tree, which I was able to
Speaker 1: get several, So it wasn't booking. It was there, it
Speaker 1: was red. It was obviously a howler monkey. I would
Speaker 1: say it was aware of us. Yeah, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't you thought it was probably best to take off. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It wasn't making noise though, and it wasn't moving especially fast,
Speaker 1: because I think probably within thirty seconds. It was thirty
Speaker 1: seconds i'd say, from when we saw it and until
Speaker 1: the shot happened, and enough tree he moved one tree
Speaker 1: over and came down closer to us. So now a
Speaker 1: howler monkey, I think if you were standing up in
Speaker 1: a holler. Monkey stood out, He's not gonna reach your
Speaker 1: waist close. I don't think like just above knee hid
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, off his head if you're standing next to
Speaker 1: you long tail and yeah, so what I think They
Speaker 1: looked to Steve first to see if he shoot it.
Speaker 1: Steve did not want to shoot the monkey, but Steve
Speaker 1: quickly said shoot it. Uh yeah. I had a bowl
Speaker 1: with me. I had a compound bow I brought down.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was going to use the thing,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it helps sort of in a
Speaker 1: communication way, you know, like fellow hunters kind of stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: but there's no way I went down like I'm not gonna,
Speaker 1: like I vowed long time ago to not hurt monkeys.
Speaker 1: It's like where I drawline. But Albert Tilda Chimani hunter
Speaker 1: has no problem hurting monkeys, and in fact, he loves
Speaker 1: to eat monkeys, and they all do. It's one of
Speaker 1: their favorite their favorite food. It seemed to me was
Speaker 1: was the was the small the spider monkey which they
Speaker 1: called Marie Mono. This one they called man, which is
Speaker 1: that red holler? And I mean it was just you know,
Speaker 1: like I have now filmed probably I don't know, fifty
Speaker 1: animals getting killed. And it was simple was there was
Speaker 1: a monkey in the tree and there was a shot
Speaker 1: and it took probably ten seconds. I feel like maybe
Speaker 1: it was clinging on or something, or what happened? What happened?
Speaker 1: What do you mean what first fell out of the tree.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. You saw that? Yeah, I saw it. Well,
Speaker 1: the monkey gets hit was just like hitting squirrel up
Speaker 1: and tree with the shotgun, where you know he's gonna
Speaker 1: come down, but you're not correct your win, like he's
Speaker 1: still kind of hanging on and out jeez man, bats,
Speaker 1: lightning boats, lightning bolt. Out comes a baby monkey. There's
Speaker 1: riding on the monkey. The baby monkey falls hangs up
Speaker 1: in the brush. You saw that first, you said that
Speaker 1: come down. I saw the monkey. I saw the baby
Speaker 1: monkey come right out of the monkey. Oh shout. I
Speaker 1: didn't see that. It was packing around a little baby.
Speaker 1: There's a happy ending to this. But the baby monkey
Speaker 1: falls down on the tree. Then the big monkey comes
Speaker 1: down on a tree and then it kind of howled
Speaker 1: like a holler monkey a little bit. So these guys
Speaker 1: are too can think about that, and they pick up
Speaker 1: the big monkey, pick up the baby monkey, come up,
Speaker 1: have a smoke pack some coca leaves and then cut
Speaker 1: the bottom of the tail off, which I missed on camera.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I didn't see it. That's those dude, Alberto. They're smoking.
Speaker 1: And these guys are into their substances, man, from everything
Speaker 1: I saw, they like alcohol, are like cigarettes and they
Speaker 1: chew cocles and cokeleans or what. I developed quite a
Speaker 1: findess for it too, just has a physical act or anything.
Speaker 1: But they Coca's cocaine like coca cocaine comes from a
Speaker 1: coca leaf, but it's like a chemical process I gather
Speaker 1: to make cocaine out of it. But it's legal down
Speaker 1: here to have coca leaves and the chimane and Doty
Speaker 1: says all over South America like working class people Native
Speaker 1: people just packed their gum full of coca leaves. It's
Speaker 1: just miless, not just gum though. Cheek it's not gum
Speaker 1: like chewing tobacco in the States. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: a giant and they call it a bull because it's
Speaker 1: a ball they form. It looks like a Q ball
Speaker 1: in your cheek definitely in numbs your tooth, numbs your
Speaker 1: cheek and numbs your tooth but I couldn't really tell
Speaker 1: what it does. You really didn't feel anything. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: It's it's not more than having like an espresso. No,
Speaker 1: definitely not. I'd say even a little smoother than that.
Speaker 1: But you're missing that. The other important part is that
Speaker 1: they activate the alkaloids in it by baking soda. So
Speaker 1: a very basic substance, or yes, basic substance you take.
Speaker 1: You take baking soda, dip your finger in it, and
Speaker 1: then you kind of rub it on the inside of
Speaker 1: the bolo, and that taste good rising. I was scared
Speaker 1: of that ship first. Toward the end, I was packing
Speaker 1: at least these guys running racquetball. I was running a
Speaker 1: golf ball with bacon sold it. And they also drink
Speaker 1: alcohol activit. So for out with these dudes. Alberto Barco
Speaker 1: interrupt this monkey thing for minute. I think they got
Speaker 1: one water bottle. I'm just pouring sweat, don't he sweat
Speaker 1: and so bad? He thought something was wrong. It was up. God,
Speaker 1: he's dying. It's that. No, I'm sweating too like that. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: I'm just drinking water. I drink all my water within
Speaker 1: the hour. And these guys got one little sixteen ounce
Speaker 1: bottle to look like it's been like washed up on
Speaker 1: the beach, you know, and it's full of what I
Speaker 1: think is water, And every time they stop they swap
Speaker 1: a swig and all that. I'm thinking, Man, these guys
Speaker 1: don't drink any water. Oh, they're just like barely going
Speaker 1: through this one bottle. And I realized it's this stuff
Speaker 1: that's like taste. What is it. It's called sing ghana.
Speaker 1: It's a great if we're drinking it right now. Liquor
Speaker 1: man out of grapes. It's kind of like a very
Speaker 1: strong cropper in Italy. But but they like it too
Speaker 1: because it releases more of the alkaloids from the coca leaves. Anyways,
Speaker 1: they shoot the monkey, have a smoke, have some more
Speaker 1: coca leaves, have some alcohol. Then Marco walks over to
Speaker 1: a tree and cuts a fong like cuts a string
Speaker 1: of tree bark, ties it around the monkey's chest right
Speaker 1: below his arms. And his monkey you're used to animals
Speaker 1: to have six or eight teats. This monkey is nursing.
Speaker 1: And this monkey has two tits right where humans tits are,
Speaker 1: and it looked like humans tips, and it has a
Speaker 1: humans vagina. Wraps the string around his armpits, wraps string
Speaker 1: around his waist and runs like across his shoulders. Takes
Speaker 1: a little extra string to tie the baby on there,
Speaker 1: and we had offered the jump. I think it's worth
Speaker 1: mentioning that old tail thing, well, the detail thing, and
Speaker 1: just like there was a moment more than a moment
Speaker 1: of sort of shock and sort of you know, not
Speaker 1: not that I was shocked by it, That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: You were shocked by No, I was shocked by I
Speaker 1: don't mean to sound I don't mean to sound casual
Speaker 1: about it. I had gone and the question. I have
Speaker 1: held to dinner with some friends a couple of nights
Speaker 1: before leaving, and we were talking about the trip, and
Speaker 1: I was saying, I understand these boys love spider monkeys,
Speaker 1: and I said, I will not shoot a monkey like
Speaker 1: I don't watch. I would rather shoot a person than
Speaker 1: a monkey, because I just like, uh, they're just like
Speaker 1: in the words of Jerry Clower, they're too much like folks.
Speaker 1: And to see that monkey get shot now that but
Speaker 1: the way he was carrying around his baby, and also
Speaker 1: that it had breast, human breast and the human vagina
Speaker 1: and a semi human face disturbed me. I later ate
Speaker 1: the monkey some of it, but it disturbed me no end,
Speaker 1: and I was a little rattled by it. But then
Speaker 1: it's like, who's the I'm not gonna tell these guys
Speaker 1: what is your favorite food? Yeah, thats to to elaborate
Speaker 1: on them. Not only is their favorite like they it
Speaker 1: is a delicacy. They like it better than deer. They
Speaker 1: like it better than poka. It is, it is better
Speaker 1: than beef. They than times to have it translated, what's
Speaker 1: the best food? What's your favorite food? Is the monkeys?
Speaker 1: Spider monkey, howid monkey? Because it has more taste, That's
Speaker 1: what that's That's what was translated back to us. Is
Speaker 1: because it tasted like flavor or some more like there
Speaker 1: there was something to it. And the cool thing is
Speaker 1: this guy Alberto, like he pulls out These guys all
Speaker 1: carry a little kitchen knives. But if you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a kid draw like the classic kitchen knife, that's what
Speaker 1: they all carry a lot of carbon steel. They'll have
Speaker 1: it from a pairing knife side or whatever. No, she's
Speaker 1: the has like put the knife in their bag, pulls
Speaker 1: off this little pairing knife and cuts an inch of
Speaker 1: the monkey's tail off and buries it and I thought.
Speaker 1: I thought it was an offering, which is an outlandish
Speaker 1: I think because they later explained us we would have
Speaker 1: had a better trip had we given more offerings of alcohol, cigarettes,
Speaker 1: and coca leaves to the river, we would have had
Speaker 1: a better trip. So he buries the monkey's tail. Later
Speaker 1: we find out you bury the monkey's tail. You cut
Speaker 1: the monkey's tail off so that the next monkey you
Speaker 1: kill doesn't get hung up by his tail in the tree,
Speaker 1: which is good, which makes me think American squirrel hunters
Speaker 1: should cut the front feet off. And Janice came up
Speaker 1: with this idea, tell me you're gonna do the next
Speaker 1: time to kill it? Lt you re remember saying this,
Speaker 1: put the grass in their mouth. No, no, he was
Speaker 1: gonna splatter the blood over the place. So and let
Speaker 1: me take off into the jungle. And I don't think
Speaker 1: anything more happening, No, not like a note. But I
Speaker 1: think I think after that I probably had my favorite
Speaker 1: moment in meat eater filming history, which was sitting in
Speaker 1: the pitch dark with those two guys on the top
Speaker 1: of the hill in the jungle, just like I'm wondering
Speaker 1: what the fund is going on? You know? Just it
Speaker 1: was that was my favorite. You were just listening to
Speaker 1: him talk no, well that yet sitting in the dark,
Speaker 1: that is sitting in the dark, here in the noises
Speaker 1: of the jungle, and here in the noise of the hunters,
Speaker 1: and just like just really soaking in that moment, because
Speaker 1: that's not something you get to do, you know, no
Speaker 1: matter what. I've been in the jungle a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: but being with those guys in an actual, very authentic,
Speaker 1: you know, looking for game all, it was pretty pretty fantastic.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. It's scary too, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just an edge of like you don't know what you're
Speaker 1: standing on. You don't know what's going on. You've got
Speaker 1: all these thoughts of spiders and snakes and all this ship,
Speaker 1: but you're just sitting right on the ground of the
Speaker 1: jungle like it is. It's a little bit. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit scary, but also beautiful. And it's like
Speaker 1: because you can't tell what the SMANI are saying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could be like telling a story. Like anyway, So
Speaker 1: I went down and I went back to Verizon, and
Speaker 1: they told me that the phone got wet. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe they're talking about something like that. But like you want,
Speaker 1: it feels like they're talking about something different and the
Speaker 1: language is like who who here and this is not
Speaker 1: this has comes from a place of love. Who he
Speaker 1: would like to mimic the sound of m the sani talking,
Speaker 1: it's kind of yeah, but not goofing on it. I
Speaker 1: mean it really is like born really, like I later said,
Speaker 1: it's like the words fall to the jungle floor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you when you're all the woods, you hear
Speaker 1: some dudes talking and laughing and ship you would not
Speaker 1: ever in a million years be all the woods and
Speaker 1: hear some chimani to do his way off very They
Speaker 1: don't like talk loud by the river when they're fishing.
Speaker 1: It's very guttural. There's like because they could be talking
Speaker 1: about the most banal stuff, but it feels like they're
Speaker 1: talking about some ancestral hunting business. I got the sense
Speaker 1: that they were just saying super simple things too. I
Speaker 1: mean that I had no idea if that's true enough.
Speaker 1: But they'll stop a gesture about trees and stuff a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, and not carrying out a conversation, but just
Speaker 1: like you know, sharing information, and then they would use
Speaker 1: their flashlights now and then. But now when they stop
Speaker 1: and just like just like listen and yeah, and the
Speaker 1: jungle is deafening. Man. Yeah, it's worth to mention again
Speaker 1: the volume of the jungle at night is just it's
Speaker 1: mind bottling. I was very on edge and night that
Speaker 1: I spent, you know, filming you guys hunting. It was like,
Speaker 1: you're on the trail, it's daylight. It's like, all right,
Speaker 1: it's woods. You're just in the familiar woods. Doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if it's Montana, and believe it, you're in the woods.
Speaker 1: These are woods. And then it got dark and every
Speaker 1: time I stepped six inches off that trail, man, it's
Speaker 1: just like my adrenaline just put up just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Just you don't know, do you think there's any place
Speaker 1: in the United States that has as loud of a
Speaker 1: of a night of woods, like down south or anything.
Speaker 1: And there's got to be around Florida or something that
Speaker 1: I don't know, Possibly it's loud, but it can't be
Speaker 1: like this. I've been around, I've been you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: just sound like a blar. I mean, I've been to
Speaker 1: a ton of places not never thought that this place
Speaker 1: is loud. And the next night here right now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the next night we go out. Nothing of note really
Speaker 1: happened during the day. Nothing happened that day, no fish
Speaker 1: or car. The next night we go out and on
Speaker 1: the else, say, when you're walking on the trail, they're
Speaker 1: always kind of looking off your best interest. And there's
Speaker 1: so many things out there. They're gonna mess you up
Speaker 1: because some snake. Did you ever catch what that snake was? Look, No,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's called. I thought that it
Speaker 1: might have been the bushmaster, but I don't believe. So
Speaker 1: it's a little green, skinny green snake. Is it is
Speaker 1: the worst guy, the most dangerous thing out there. There's
Speaker 1: some spiders that will mess you up good. And there's
Speaker 1: this little critter called the bullet ant. It's like kind
Speaker 1: of inch and a half long. So we get to
Speaker 1: talking about how we're gonna go out and sit a
Speaker 1: salt lick at night with flashlights, and we leave before
Speaker 1: dark again and start walking through the jungle, and nothing
Speaker 1: really happened. No, No No, don't know what am I saying? No,
Speaker 1: that got after a bird. I missed the bird a
Speaker 1: couple of times with my bowl. Marco missed with his bowl.
Speaker 1: Barrett'll shot at with a shotgun and missed it. But
Speaker 1: it's this small bird, a gwan they really wanted. They
Speaker 1: call a lot of birds pavlo, which is Spanish for turkey.
Speaker 1: That's sort of like they know the names of them absolutely,
Speaker 1: but they refer to him generally the same when you
Speaker 1: might say game bird. I guess you think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe like yeah, you use like the word grouse, right,
Speaker 1: and there's obviously a bunch of species of grouse. They
Speaker 1: use pava and it's like bird that is good to eat,
Speaker 1: and all of these pava there could be any number
Speaker 1: of birds, black and crests, curras out and the guans anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know anymore, but it's a couple of guanas.
Speaker 1: We could after one of those beautiful bird. They wanted
Speaker 1: it real bad. Um that turns up nothing and through
Speaker 1: Chase's bird we kind of wind up. I kind of
Speaker 1: do you think we ever got this? This night? The
Speaker 1: first thing I went out as being dot and then
Speaker 1: the next night we go out it's me and Phil
Speaker 1: Barab Do you do you feel like we got to
Speaker 1: the salt like you have no idea what's going on
Speaker 1: because you can't communicate with the duzy with it seemed
Speaker 1: like we were because he broke branches. We got to
Speaker 1: this little creek bed, like small creek bed, and he
Speaker 1: broke branches like a shooting lane. Yeah, that's the set up.
Speaker 1: And then they both came up. We've found a log,
Speaker 1: and we sat on the log like you would wait
Speaker 1: for any other kind of hunt. That's what I felt like.
Speaker 1: I felt like, oh, he's clear a little shooting lane,
Speaker 1: and we kind of get away and we got flashlace.
Speaker 1: But it's still daylight out, just getting dark. And the
Speaker 1: night before I noticed every time we stepped over a log,
Speaker 1: they would examine the log and then take the bow
Speaker 1: tip and kill these big asked ants on the log.
Speaker 1: And I got the sense, I mean, everything moves, that
Speaker 1: everything's alive. Is you never run out of new kinds
Speaker 1: of books. I got the sense that they don't like
Speaker 1: that kind of ant um. And we're sitting there and
Speaker 1: I think it was just because I just turned my
Speaker 1: light on. Maybe I can't even also realized just six
Speaker 1: of these big gass ants were around us. And you
Speaker 1: got it first, Yeah, I got it. It was on
Speaker 1: my shirt. Well, I was worried because we were sitting
Speaker 1: there and I was worried they climbed up under my
Speaker 1: shirt and so just as I went to look, it
Speaker 1: stung me right on the basically first knuckle, my first finger,
Speaker 1: and I probably screamed a little bit and it on
Speaker 1: like a bit, and it basically it was like it
Speaker 1: was a bad beasting. But I didn't know what to think. Initially, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in initially in the same times, No, it wasn't like crazy,
Speaker 1: not like a honey bee, but like a hornet, you know,
Speaker 1: like a bad beast thing where you're like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: would have thought it was a horn for five minutes beyond,
Speaker 1: like you can't even say it's smart. It's worse than
Speaker 1: it's smart. So no, it's like it's you don't think
Speaker 1: about something else. You would be like, you're like, what
Speaker 1: something is still on the beat on the neck by
Speaker 1: be last night, I would have reacted about the same
Speaker 1: way in the first five minutes of a bullet ant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but those bees were like a tenth of when you say,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying the initial z initial zap was
Speaker 1: be like it quickly becomes a thing like a but
Speaker 1: it's the initial zap is be like, but before you
Speaker 1: go into years, how you know, so as a cameraman.
Speaker 1: I got stung. I knew Patrick, who was one of
Speaker 1: the guys here, had had kind of mentioned everything that
Speaker 1: bites and stings and you know, and I remember him
Speaker 1: saying bullet and and I didn't know if it was
Speaker 1: bad or if it was just like a b sting
Speaker 1: or whatever. And so they're asking me, are you okay?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, it hurts, but I gotta keep shooting.
Speaker 1: We're here, okay, we can't. They're gesturings, are you okay? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm just like whatever, I'm gonna roll with it
Speaker 1: because we're out here on and we gotta do this.
Speaker 1: So and then all of a sudden, you yell out, yell. Well,
Speaker 1: he got this point and said let's go. So we
Speaker 1: there was enough bullet as here. We have abandoned the
Speaker 1: plan to hunt the lick. So they were aware of
Speaker 1: the bullets. Yeah, they are funny that we guessed on aiden. No,
Speaker 1: they were were the bullets when I turned my light on.
Speaker 1: I have to turn light on, and was like wow.
Speaker 1: After you both got yeah, Phil get zapped, They're like,
Speaker 1: let's go, We'll start walking and I get zapped on
Speaker 1: the ankle through a neoprene sock. Jeez, and then um,
Speaker 1: I don't like I have a very low tolerance for pain,
Speaker 1: and we may get out to the trail and he
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I was like, I
Speaker 1: got hit by a lionfish one time and I hadn't
Speaker 1: read up on it. So it's like you're you get
Speaker 1: hit and you're like why. I know that it hurts
Speaker 1: and I can handle all that, but I don't know
Speaker 1: what this means for me? Right? Is it like getting
Speaker 1: bit by a rattlesnake? Like do you go to the doctor? Now?
Speaker 1: Is the trip over now? And the guy Marco gestures
Speaker 1: to fill explain the gesture he lives at me. So
Speaker 1: Steve got stung in the ankle. I got stung in
Speaker 1: the knuckle. So he first looks at me, points to
Speaker 1: where I got stung on his hand and gestures up
Speaker 1: his hand, up his arm too, to his heart, saying, basically,
Speaker 1: this poison is going to go to your heart. You
Speaker 1: want to he wants like a line like like like
Speaker 1: scruciatingly slowly this line up your arm to your heart.
Speaker 1: And we're like, I don't really follow what exactly that means.
Speaker 1: And then they go to Steve and do the same
Speaker 1: exact thing from his ankle, but it basically and that
Speaker 1: his Balza like yeah, he's like, he's like points of film,
Speaker 1: does it? They'll go to his heart and likes me
Speaker 1: to Balzac. They're like, so does that mean we dine? Now?
Speaker 1: I don't know. These eyes both looking at us with
Speaker 1: they start looking around in the trees and come back
Speaker 1: with a four inch chunk of vine. In the vine
Speaker 1: when he cut open, resembles almost like ginger root exactly,
Speaker 1: and he takes his knife and starts scraping and pulping
Speaker 1: the contents of the vine and packing it on our bites.
Speaker 1: And then he kind of says like bomb oh, like
Speaker 1: you know, time to go with it, like let's go,
Speaker 1: time to go in points that we either go back
Speaker 1: to our camper, go deeper into the jungle. And at
Speaker 1: that point realized that we were going to die, because
Speaker 1: he was like, pick whichever one you want. We still
Speaker 1: have no idea what this matter? What? And now it's
Speaker 1: like intense arthritic joint paint. Would you say, burning and throbbing?
Speaker 1: I gotta say something here because like you also called
Speaker 1: back on the radio as we had ready was an
Speaker 1: hour later, what was it really? Alright? I don't even
Speaker 1: know why we didn't think about it, and I didn't
Speaker 1: realize we had the radio still way later, but that
Speaker 1: was the moment that I realized you were from the
Speaker 1: Midwest film because because he kind of got like the
Speaker 1: radio call and you go like, um you copy of
Speaker 1: copy go yep. You go like, oh, hey, just checking in.
Speaker 1: How you guys do. I'm like, oh, we're good. What's
Speaker 1: going on? You know, we weren't our into it, and
Speaker 1: at that point it wasn't it was way beyond like
Speaker 1: it wasn't intensifying a definitely, it was just like you
Speaker 1: know what we called. I was thinking, there's no way
Speaker 1: I can sleep with this level of paint. That was
Speaker 1: where I was at at that point, and Marco and
Speaker 1: Alberta had lost all interest in our bites. We somehow
Speaker 1: wound up way hass back in the jungle on the
Speaker 1: edge of the river, laying there on these huge boulders,
Speaker 1: these huge boulders on this river. We shine for some
Speaker 1: fish and then we're all laying out on these rocks. Actually,
Speaker 1: and before that, you gotta mention the Bene drill. Oh,
Speaker 1: so we took eye profit at ben and drill, which
Speaker 1: knocked our dicks in the dirt man, but couldn't even
Speaker 1: stay away around the jungle Middle Night, couldn't stay away,
Speaker 1: go down the river, and then Middle we arrive at
Speaker 1: the edge of the river. A barrel shines light the
Speaker 1: river and I'm nothing. There's a fish's tail at the surf.
Speaker 1: You can't see three inches in the water, but there's
Speaker 1: a fish's tail. So Marco Real quick loads bowl the
Speaker 1: fish are will pull back. The fishtail vanishes, and then
Speaker 1: it decided that we will now lay on the river
Speaker 1: bank on the rocks in the dark for an hour,
Speaker 1: at which point and smoke cigarettes from the cook leaves,
Speaker 1: at which point I'm like, there's no way i can
Speaker 1: sleep with this level of pain. And I'm really sleeping
Speaker 1: from taking the ben and drill, and I remember that
Speaker 1: we had a CB and or a radio and there's
Speaker 1: no way they'll hear. It's like, there's no way we
Speaker 1: can communicate with yeah, but straight there because loud and
Speaker 1: clear um. It's conveyed to us that it just hurts
Speaker 1: like a bitch, then goes away. And shortly after it
Speaker 1: went away the pain. When we got back that night
Speaker 1: at we got stung red. At dusk, I couldn't remember
Speaker 1: which foot got hit, like gone the bot in you
Speaker 1: still have your BikeE though, phill right, you see a
Speaker 1: little bit, but not that. It was never explained to
Speaker 1: us what he meant with the ominous hand gesture up
Speaker 1: the arm and leg, which almost made me puke. When
Speaker 1: then Phil got nauseous and he couldn't tell nashes from
Speaker 1: the news or nashes from dying. Must have been the news,
Speaker 1: because he's here with us now. I can't quite tell
Speaker 1: now if I'm jealous, I think I know I am.
Speaker 1: I can't tell I am jealous. I'm jealous of you guys.
Speaker 1: There's I was on a riverond Peru once and the
Speaker 1: tribe that that was there the right of passage for
Speaker 1: their kids. Like when when a boy's fifteen or sixteen,
Speaker 1: they they like build a pillowcase and they put like
Speaker 1: seven or eight bullet has in it, and then they
Speaker 1: tie the pillowcase around his floe arm for an hour.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he gets bit like hit multiple times
Speaker 1: for an hour, and that's their right of passage into manhood,
Speaker 1: one of the rights of passage. I'll do it, yah,
Speaker 1: Doty's got more. Jill will experience the more sort of
Speaker 1: like indigenous. Uh, you know a little bit not time.
Speaker 1: I've spent some time in Ecuador and Proof doing some stuff,
Speaker 1: but I recalled the number of days I spent in
Speaker 1: the jungle on the hands and toes. I mean legit jungle,
Speaker 1: you know, like real legit jungle. It's scary. The third
Speaker 1: night we went out, I'm skipping all the fishing parts,
Speaker 1: but the third night we go all. We started out
Speaker 1: at the all the day we started our way ass
Speaker 1: out and jumps. We're going off the fish all day
Speaker 1: and we got a couple of big gass calfish materiro
Speaker 1: or toro called a dorato um. And it's just getting
Speaker 1: dark one it's time to go back. And Janice and
Speaker 1: I we were the whole day and crew they're like,
Speaker 1: all eight of us are out there. But we decided
Speaker 1: to like get to be the first guys down the trail.
Speaker 1: Everybody else will follow later. And we started down on
Speaker 1: trail and right off the bat again. Bam, monkeys. They
Speaker 1: couldn't have cared less about these monkeys. Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: a different species. I don't even know if we clarify
Speaker 1: what they capucineah. We didn't learn from them what it was.
Speaker 1: But They're like, well, there's a monkey by the way.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking what you boys shirt, Oh, we gotta back
Speaker 1: up before the bullet ant thing. The night we get
Speaker 1: back with the MoMA monkey and the baby monkey, or like,
Speaker 1: way down the monkey. We want to film cooking the monkey.
Speaker 1: They go down the river. We're like, you can go
Speaker 1: ahead and gut it, So go down the river. They
Speaker 1: go down the river, and they got the monkey and
Speaker 1: pull out the kidney's heart and liver and intestines and
Speaker 1: flush the intestines tournaments side out, put them on a stick,
Speaker 1: and they asked if they eat the baby monkey. And
Speaker 1: this baby monkey isn't as long and I'm looking right
Speaker 1: now at a water bottom. If you stretch this monkey out,
Speaker 1: he's not as long as the water bottle, say a
Speaker 1: little kitten a kid. They take them onto the baby monkey,
Speaker 1: burn his hair off real quick, cut him into They
Speaker 1: basically had him in quarter room and freed him in
Speaker 1: a walk little arms head, it's a feat. Look what
Speaker 1: it's They fried him up in a walk him. It
Speaker 1: was disturbing. Yeah, out sugarcoated for wet head rig For Westerners,
Speaker 1: it is a very very shocking picture. You know, we
Speaker 1: are just not accustomed to anything like that. It's it's shocking,
Speaker 1: it's disturbing, it's but to them, they were so excited,
Speaker 1: so stoked, and they fried the baby in oil. The
Speaker 1: next day were cooking the whole monkey. They take the monkey,
Speaker 1: holding by the tail, waved over the fire and burn
Speaker 1: all the hair off the monkey, and they scrape with
Speaker 1: the machete. Then you go down the river and clean
Speaker 1: the monkey. Then he kind of cuts all the joints
Speaker 1: just enough where he can break the joints so open,
Speaker 1: like you're opened up what would be like your ball
Speaker 1: joints at the top of your femur. Cut the knee
Speaker 1: joints a little bit, cut the elbow joints a little bit,
Speaker 1: took some vines. They use barker behind for which to
Speaker 1: bind the monkey. Trust it. He trust the monkey with
Speaker 1: either bark or mind. Yeah, I think he would use
Speaker 1: bark cut mortals, ropes from the bar and trust the monkey.
Speaker 1: And then they build a rack up over the fire.
Speaker 1: You know, they always stay at their logs perpendicular like
Speaker 1: their fires. They like lay the logs b I'm sorry
Speaker 1: not don't they always stack the would there's lay a
Speaker 1: bunch of big logs parallel on the fire. They gotta
Speaker 1: rack over it, trust the monkey, and then said he's
Speaker 1: gonna smoke that monkey eight hours, six hours. Smoked the
Speaker 1: monkey for six hours, then just chopped up the little
Speaker 1: pieces and they made monkey soup thicken some water, monkey
Speaker 1: and plantain. Both the plantaine they like, scraped with a spoon,
Speaker 1: green green plantain scraped real fine, and then it so
Speaker 1: it became more like a meal because they became kind
Speaker 1: of a thickening agent or a grave deal. It has
Speaker 1: been almost like monkey and corn meal, corn mash and grits, right,
Speaker 1: but made out of plantain skin on it. And it
Speaker 1: tasted like I struggle. I couldn't think of would taste
Speaker 1: like now, if I had to say, it tastes like
Speaker 1: something to tastes like a smoke turkey drumstick with a
Speaker 1: very thick skin. These boys eat everything they couldn't get
Speaker 1: through the skin. I didn't see anybody tried to eat
Speaker 1: the skin. You make a football out of that monkey skin.
Speaker 1: There's no meat anywhere. I mean, just meat, but it's
Speaker 1: thin pieces of meat, whatever piece I gotta have, like,
Speaker 1: I got a good like mouth full of of flesh
Speaker 1: when I took him. But I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: I'm telling what it was, good man. It was very
Speaker 1: mild that it was alarmed. Say threw the brain and
Speaker 1: the spinal column in there. And you always hear about
Speaker 1: diseases that may jump from monkeys, but I think mostly
Speaker 1: that happens in Africa. That's just a general thing. I
Speaker 1: think that you're you're you're warranted to not eat much
Speaker 1: spinal column, fluid or brain, so that I wasn't. I
Speaker 1: still am a little alarmed, but I was alarmed by
Speaker 1: the monkey. But I'll tell you what. The monkey was
Speaker 1: legitimately good. And it didn't taste like and you can
Speaker 1: see why people like is it doesn't taste like anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, it tastes good, but it's not. You don't
Speaker 1: eat it and think it's like, I know these guys
Speaker 1: are laughing at me. I'm like, now, if I've never
Speaker 1: served monkey in secret, i'd be like, that's monkey. I
Speaker 1: feel like I gotta that. I know now, like what
Speaker 1: monkey tastes like. They're like the brain out of there,
Speaker 1: they eat the head. There was there's a for me,
Speaker 1: a lesson. They're just in general about being a meat hunter,
Speaker 1: you know, and some out you know, the perspective of
Speaker 1: seeing these guys doing what they normally do and just
Speaker 1: comparing it to us killing a deer in Minnesota or
Speaker 1: in Montana. It was. It was an high opening experience
Speaker 1: just to just to eat it and know that it
Speaker 1: was not any different than anything that we ever do themselves. No,
Speaker 1: there was no like you well, all seventeen guys lined
Speaker 1: up to get monkey, and they were lining up like
Speaker 1: if you you know, if you had a bunch of
Speaker 1: dudes you hang out with over your house and you
Speaker 1: made chili and you're like, chili's ready, and everybody came
Speaker 1: to get some chili. It was just like that. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like, oh man, we're weird ship now. It was like, awesome, man,
Speaker 1: he made chili. Chili is so good. The difference things
Speaker 1: we had to be strict about them not eating it
Speaker 1: before we were like, they wanted to eat it that
Speaker 1: first night, Yeah, they almost did. We had to basically
Speaker 1: protect this monkey so we could film them. You doing
Speaker 1: the chili thing. I don't mean like um like it
Speaker 1: was blase. I mean like you're hungry, your buddy made
Speaker 1: a great chili. I mean like excited, but not like
Speaker 1: who you know, Yeah, I feel like it was more
Speaker 1: like if you were serving up tenureline. There was that
Speaker 1: kind of excitement. Yeah. Probably I was just saying chili
Speaker 1: markssthing you laid all out. Yeah, Marco he is he
Speaker 1: uses a banana leaf of plantain leaf to make a spoon. Man,
Speaker 1: I feel like there that get more credit. We need
Speaker 1: to like build him up a little bit. Marco was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're hearing his story though the deer throwing that thing,
Speaker 1: I can't out. But yeah, so third night out, Marco
Speaker 1: is like Marco kind merged as he looks older, but
Speaker 1: he's my age one year older. He's forty one, you know,
Speaker 1: but it looks like a solid fifty one, maybe even
Speaker 1: very hard hunter, whether you know, dark skin, traditional haircut.
Speaker 1: Later told us that later we're kind of the story
Speaker 1: that was about a jaguar he killed. Only one prided
Speaker 1: did he bring this up? But a jaguar he killed
Speaker 1: that He has some hunting dogs and he was out
Speaker 1: hunting one night and a jaguar killed his dog and
Speaker 1: he killed the jaguar. And it was a pretty fascinating
Speaker 1: story if you'd go to the meat eater dot Com
Speaker 1: were posting that interview, and we went to the interview
Speaker 1: on the show with someone, Yeah, I think we should will.
Speaker 1: So he was only monkey and training. They could give
Speaker 1: a ship about this monkey and that kind of like
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're looking at me, and I'm like, well
Speaker 1: shoot the monkeys. I make the universe like pow pow noise,
Speaker 1: and he kind of didn't care. One of the margaret
Speaker 1: grabs the shotgun goes off in that direction and uh
Speaker 1: he said he had a shot. Oh yeah, I followed him.
Speaker 1: We could see the monkey jumping up through the tree branches.
Speaker 1: You could see like a full sillo again you know,
Speaker 1: nighttime you can, but against the sky still had just
Speaker 1: enough light we could see the full silhouette of the monkey.
Speaker 1: He points at it, kind of gets his light like
Speaker 1: you know, positions with the gun pointed at it, and
Speaker 1: then just was like let's go. You know, they didn't
Speaker 1: want that kind of monkey. We go down the trail
Speaker 1: a little bit and Marco's walking point with the shotgun.
Speaker 1: Albert is behind him with the bow. I'm behind Alberto
Speaker 1: with a bow, and Est is behind you the camera
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you'll see him. They get
Speaker 1: tuned in and he knows something's going on, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Marko's got his light, his flashlight and
Speaker 1: his shotgun. Alberto stops and Marco kind of goes ahead
Speaker 1: and tell that he's gonna shoot, and I am, you know,
Speaker 1: with the six he engaged, and again it's amazing because
Speaker 1: there's no way that I knew that we had any
Speaker 1: idea ship. He shoots and it's like he hit Godzilla.
Speaker 1: The I thought it was the tape here something big.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's sound like a horse couldn't running though
Speaker 1: the jongle with that. Mom I'm like, holy, I didn't
Speaker 1: know what was gonna happen. But what happened was he
Speaker 1: hit a red brocket deer, but he's too far out
Speaker 1: front and just hit at the tip of his nose
Speaker 1: and buckshot, so his nose is kind of perfect with
Speaker 1: four or five buckshot wounds not fatal at all. And
Speaker 1: the deer for whatever reason, runs up onto the trail
Speaker 1: kind of like in the middle of us all and stops.
Speaker 1: I pull out air and I can't see a thing.
Speaker 1: I pull out area and try to sight it down
Speaker 1: side and hit the brocket deers in the back leg.
Speaker 1: The brocket deer runs off in the jungle. Then we
Speaker 1: got then someone trying to light it out and I
Speaker 1: shot it through the back end of the rib cage
Speaker 1: and then it expired, you know, and um, this deer,
Speaker 1: I know how to describe that deer kind of lower
Speaker 1: to the ground, very small. They call it what they
Speaker 1: called boss. It's like the size of a fawn. I
Speaker 1: feel like a white tail phone in Michigan. It does
Speaker 1: get shot off and during on season, I mean one
Speaker 1: of those deer deer you can pick up with, you know,
Speaker 1: one hand. But it just had a little more plumpness
Speaker 1: to it. So it's the size of fawn, but it
Speaker 1: had the fond during hunting season. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: more like a newborn. No not yeah, way smaller. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like a little you know how you see those
Speaker 1: in the fall deer, like if you shot a deer
Speaker 1: um September twenty a white tail, not a November farm
Speaker 1: no way. A small deer, but robust, had a mature
Speaker 1: looked to it, with small reddish color, had a tail
Speaker 1: reminiscent of a white tail, but proportionately I felt, had
Speaker 1: shorter legs. Yes, definitely wasn't a leggy as our white tails.
Speaker 1: They dragged up the trail and I can't remember there's
Speaker 1: a term for a camera what it is. It's where
Speaker 1: you got so I learned the term in Scotland. You
Speaker 1: got something from the diaphragm back. So he made just
Speaker 1: a whole but you have to get his hand in
Speaker 1: and gutted everything from the diaphragm back, meaning the intestines
Speaker 1: in the stomach, and discarded him. Didn't hang on to him,
Speaker 1: cut a string from tree bark, tied it around his
Speaker 1: waist and around its shoulders, just behind its shoulders. Bloody
Speaker 1: is all get out and then throws it on his
Speaker 1: back and head it out. Nothing more important happening, right, Nope,
Speaker 1: you gotta give a visual image of Marco though, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, which interesting night vision of what this guy.
Speaker 1: We are running full long sleeves, pants and shirts, you know,
Speaker 1: buffs to protect our necks and not just for the sun,
Speaker 1: but because of of biting stinging things, bugs, and these
Speaker 1: boys as soon as they get on the trail at night,
Speaker 1: everybody just makes it shirt off and you know it's
Speaker 1: just and Marco has a very Bruce Lee like look,
Speaker 1: you know, were you one years old? Wiry cut and
Speaker 1: when he put that it's like it is bark basically
Speaker 1: takes off of the tree. It's maybe like an inch
Speaker 1: and a half two inches wide, ties a couple of
Speaker 1: slip knots in it to hold onto the deer, and
Speaker 1: then it's just the perfect size where the it doesn't
Speaker 1: go across his shoulders, but it comes over his head
Speaker 1: and like the strap is right across his chest, just
Speaker 1: above his nipples. Yeah, don't even carry duffle bags like that,
Speaker 1: and the belower your clavicles kind of across your shoulder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and lean into it and the deer is hanging
Speaker 1: basically just above the small of his back. And uh,
Speaker 1: that was the end of it. We knew at that
Speaker 1: point as the end of it. I kind of thought, well,
Speaker 1: from what I had heard, it was like, oh, you'll
Speaker 1: kill something, and then that the boys are gonna keep
Speaker 1: hunting because you're out there, You're gonna keep hunting. But
Speaker 1: what would tipped us off is that the whole way
Speaker 1: the next hour, the hype back to camp, it was
Speaker 1: constant chimani jibber jabber, and Steve and I would joke
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, we think they're talking about
Speaker 1: hunting this, that and the other, but they're probably just
Speaker 1: catching up on the river. So we get back and
Speaker 1: that dear they they do deer totally totally different. They quartered,
Speaker 1: They quartered the deer and cut the head off at
Speaker 1: the neck, believe, all the skin on. They cooked and
Speaker 1: they got their smoker rack and they cooked the deer
Speaker 1: with the hair on it. They smoking with the hair on,
Speaker 1: so you just like literally cut the deer up and
Speaker 1: you don't pay attention about hairside down and eat side down.
Speaker 1: For how many hours? Too many a lot? They cooked
Speaker 1: it on that smoker so long that what the shanks
Speaker 1: wound up being like assole bookoed almost in a dryway,
Speaker 1: where the shank was the delicate the was the delicate part.
Speaker 1: They're like, here's the best part. He strips that hide
Speaker 1: off the shank and was pulling little pieces of meat
Speaker 1: out of there because there's so much gelatin in there
Speaker 1: that they were still kind of moist and tender. Everything
Speaker 1: else was just that reminded me of smoke turkey. Like
Speaker 1: to me that that venice and shanks tasted like smoke turkey.
Speaker 1: But I thought, and they'll leave it on the smoker
Speaker 1: and they'll pull off the smoker and it gets swarmed
Speaker 1: in bees in a way you wouldn't believe in general,
Speaker 1: all of their cutting methods, cooking methods, uh, just a
Speaker 1: lot rougher than what we were used to. Um. Like,
Speaker 1: it's like you said, they don't waste anything, but we
Speaker 1: also just have learned to take so much more care
Speaker 1: in the preparation of it all. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: bacteria stample, yeah, and I'm not taking care of it,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, I'll tell you what though, they cooked
Speaker 1: the hell everything, But that wasn't to say, well, I wasn't.
Speaker 1: My feeling on inflammation is is unadvertising. Is what they're
Speaker 1: cooking might look to an outsider. They relish it more
Speaker 1: than you relish your food. Yeah, they're more excited about
Speaker 1: than you are about your dinner tonight. One thing I
Speaker 1: thought was really cool was that the that night, actually
Speaker 1: both the night of the monkey kill and the deer killed,
Speaker 1: was to me almost the same exact vibe in an
Speaker 1: American hunting camp, where they were just absolutely celebrating at home,
Speaker 1: like they were just happy as ship. You know, they
Speaker 1: had some drinks afterwards that they were beaming. The entire
Speaker 1: camp was happy. Everybody huddled around that the butchering big
Speaker 1: as catfish too, Yeah, No, it was just it was
Speaker 1: just like it was a pure celebration. Everybody was retelling
Speaker 1: the story of Steve, you know, using the ball and
Speaker 1: how fast he shot this. You know, Steve's out here
Speaker 1: with a white carbon spider, you know, the top top,
Speaker 1: the best of the best, basically out there as far
Speaker 1: as modern compound boats. Showing these guys at boat, you
Speaker 1: might as well, like someone said, you might as well
Speaker 1: be like an alien showing them your spaceship blown away.
Speaker 1: It was almost like the first like what do you
Speaker 1: imagine it was like when the planes Indians or any
Speaker 1: American Indians saw a rival. It was really shot first
Speaker 1: shot at that six ft diameter log at tankards blown away. Man,
Speaker 1: this whole Bolivia trip, and we've only scratched the surface.
Speaker 1: We talked about one aspect of it. We're gonna turn
Speaker 1: into three shows, three episodes, twenty two minutes per episode.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of material, man. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what um coming out of it, I have not a
Speaker 1: change perspective, but just a really enhanced perspective where um
Speaker 1: it is fun and very educational and inspiring and beautiful.
Speaker 1: Um to spend time with indigenous peoples who have a
Speaker 1: lineage on the landscape that's unbroken. You know, there are
Speaker 1: many Western influences were with these guys that are shocked on.
Speaker 1: They have flashlights, but all that stuff winds up seeming
Speaker 1: very superficial. Um to be out with people who are
Speaker 1: on the land which is intact. You know this particular place.
Speaker 1: I know it's a ton of degradation of rainforest all
Speaker 1: over the you know the latitude of lines that have rainforest,
Speaker 1: and it's a huge environmental concern and a huge conservation concern.
Speaker 1: But here in this corner of the world, you can
Speaker 1: have the experience of being out in intact rainforest, intact
Speaker 1: the jungle, largely untouched, with people who have been knocking
Speaker 1: around here forever um hunting the things they've always hunted,
Speaker 1: and in ways the way they've always hunted them. And
Speaker 1: it's it really is, despite everything biting you and there's
Speaker 1: heat in the sweat and and just the pervasive uncomfortableness
Speaker 1: is as a hunter, very inspiring, very uplifting. I would
Speaker 1: say we're coming on having made about sixty episodes of
Speaker 1: mediat or more at this point, and I would say,
Speaker 1: whatever you need to do to get your eyes on
Speaker 1: these shows, because because there's that there's something here that's
Speaker 1: that's pretty special. Just the depth of the of the
Speaker 1: character and the of of both the place and the
Speaker 1: people that we were with that I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be something to really keep an eye out for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we are the shows. None of we turns into
Speaker 1: a big ad for the show, but we had to
Speaker 1: show the Sportsman channel. UM, and I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Whatever we come up with and whatever we put forward
Speaker 1: involving this monkey and everything, no one there will mess
Speaker 1: with it. Um cooling about the network where at is
Speaker 1: they don't screw with us at all. We can run
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Speaker 1: gonna see anywhere else because someone would pull it. But
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Speaker 1: You can go there and stream them and download them.
Speaker 1: It's a great way to watch it. The best way
Speaker 1: to watch is just to watch it when it comes out.
Speaker 1: If you can't watch when it comes out going download
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Speaker 1: you'll find all kinds of stuff in all kinds of
Speaker 1: ways to watch. But these are gonna be special shows,
Speaker 1: man um. You'll get a glimpse of the lifestyle that
Speaker 1: has been here a long time. But maybe um won't
Speaker 1: be here for much longer. I'm not sure. And what's
Speaker 1: so much content I think here too that will definitely
Speaker 1: be throwing up some web specials and putting stuff on
Speaker 1: the YouTube channel. So it's always good to keep up
Speaker 1: with the Meteor website because there's always a little interesting
Speaker 1: tidbits that it's a bummer we can't get them into
Speaker 1: every show, but at least we get to, you know,
Speaker 1: put them out on the internet something. People can check
Speaker 1: them out. Marco's Jaguar hunting story. Yeah, all right, we're
Speaker 1: hoping they we're gonna get picked up by this airplane tomorrow.
Speaker 1: If not, we'll be doing the podcast tomorrow with the
Speaker 1: Germanic thank you. You should have pied, You should have
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