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Speaker 1: and you're all the sexiest people in the world. If

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Speaker 1: What a ceremony I would attend. And Hella jealous of

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Speaker 1: Eli for getting to marry all of you guys for real,

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Speaker 1: And I'm out in the cold over here. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of love to go around in this romance,

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Speaker 1: I hope. So there's our one listener like, no, it's

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Speaker 1: third of the bills. Look, if this show only has

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Speaker 1: one listener, I'm interested. I'm interested in you. Give us

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Speaker 1: We know that, we do know that. We know we

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Speaker 1: share a sense of humor. There are worse things to

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Speaker 1: talk about Ajah, Writta Berlin or Mauer and the Berlin

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Speaker 1: and it's very interesting. There's a lot to work with. Hey,

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Speaker 1: their French, come listen. Well, Elia and Diana got some

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Speaker 1: stories to tell. There's no matchmaking, a romantic tips. It's

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Speaker 1: So it's just sort of a very similar I don't know,

425
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Speaker 1: it's I feel like we really can understand it and

426
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: it's just the sex that's tripping people up. Oh, Like

427
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker was definitely in a relationship with his lightsaber

428
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: right with with two of them, I believe, and they

429
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: were tight Aria Game of Thrones learning from her sword master.

430
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: He says, very similar advice. And so it's just like,

431
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Speaker 1: I mean, we get it. It's just the idea that

432
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: you might want an object over a person. We just

433
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: can't seem to like understand how you would be filled

434
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: by that relationship. I had questions about gender personally, as like,

435
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: I see you saying, Berlin Wallace, husband, but the Eiffel

436
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: Tower is a female, Like, how do you know? Did

437
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: you all agree on the gender of the objects or whatever. Um,

438
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: So that's a question I kind of still have, she says.

439
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: Erica says objects don't have genitalia, of course, but she

440
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: prefers to give an object a pronoun because it seems

441
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: very I don't want to say dehumanizing, but but kind

442
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: of I guess it just seems rude to her. It

443
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: didn't seem like a respectful pronoun. Yeah, it's not right.

444
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: It took the life out of it. Yeah, yeah, that

445
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: makes which I get. I can get that. Um. But

446
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: she says she sees the Eiffel Tower as a woman,

447
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: partly because in French the tower is gendered female. So

448
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: the language kind of did come into play. And I

449
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: wondered about that with English, since we don't have gendered objects.

450
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: I kind of wondered if they if it was more

451
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: European thing to have gendered objects and more here, they

452
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: would be like they then kind of situation. But I

453
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: don't know, I just I just wonder. So if you're

454
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: a member of the OS community, please let me know.

455
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: I'd like to know the answer to. Yeah, give us

456
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: a holler about any of this. Yeah. So there's an

457
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: article in DNA India and they said Erica would then

458
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: identify as bisexual. I guess as well as object sexual,

459
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: you would be identifying as bisexual because she's she and he,

460
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, like there's all these pronouns in play. But

461
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: in her f a qes, she refers to people in

462
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: the OS community here in relationships with people and objects,

463
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: to be bisexuals. So she considers like if Eli, if

464
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: you did marry the Sydney opera and me, you would

465
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: be a bisexual to her because there are two there too,

466
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: objects involved, I guess, or two people involved a woman

467
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: in an opera house too exactly. So I'm not sure

468
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 1: that she considers herself bisexual. But I also thought that

469
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: was kind of an interesting question is like, how does

470
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: that does that play in at all? You know, do

471
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: you see yourself as straight? So just any object you're

472
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: attracted to as male? Or is there the object have

473
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: anything to do with it's it's pronouns. Is there's an

474
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: energy that you get from it? I don't know. I

475
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: just think that's an interesting question. Also in that DNA

476
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: and D article, they talked to a woman named Amber

477
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: who was in a relationship with water and a trading card,

478
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting because water is such a

479
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: huge thing and trading card is such a small thing.

480
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: Water as a whole, like the entirety of water, yea,

481
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: the element of water. I guess the water gets around.

482
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: Water does get around its whole thing, and there's a

483
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: lot of water in use. So maybe you love yourself more. Well,

484
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: that's nice, which is nice. I think we should all

485
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: love the water in ourselves. We can at least love ourselves.

486
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: The water in me sees and loves the water in you. Honestly,

487
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: the things I'm mad about myself, the most things I

488
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 1: dislike about myself, it ain't the water, It's true, I

489
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: honestly could use a little bit more of it. Another

490
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: guy they talked to was in a relationship with Houston's

491
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: George R. Brown Convention Center and a rocking chair named Evangeline.

492
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: So I kind of wondered, like Evangeline that says to

493
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: me that the rocking chairs female is the convention center

494
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: female too, because it's the George R. Brown Convention Center

495
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: quote from the article. Much like being attracted to specific

496
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: physical attributes in men and women, objective sexuals are drawn

497
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: to certain features and objects. Many people prefer metal, plastic

498
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: is no favorite, and larger, more complex entities. Erika Eifel

499
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: explains the preference has more to do with the resonance

500
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: one feels with the energy with within. Smaller, simpler objects

501
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: are more difficult to connect to. It's like falling in

502
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: love with a single cell demiba versus a person. Interesting,

503
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: which I get. I guess, I guess I get that

504
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: I could see plastics being Uh, you don't. You don't

505
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: miss around plastics. I mean you're kind of garbage and

506
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: bad garbage because you can be around a long time.

507
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna choke a seagull. Yeah, you're like a

508
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: lasting thing that doesn't get all of the history that

509
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: stone gets. So that do you know what I mean,

510
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: like a steel railroad track that's been there for a

511
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: long time. You know, there's something romantic about that. But

512
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: a plastic water bottle that's been around for fifty years

513
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: is not sexy and there's nothing there's nothing grand about it. No,

514
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: it's choking a turtle. Mm hmm, it's uh, it's filling

515
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: a landfill. Single use plastics not my type. You know

516
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: what I'm putting out of my dating profile. Do not

517
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: contact me if you're a single use plastic And I'm

518
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: against making such declarations in your dating profiles, but for SUPs,

519
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: take a hike, take a hike. And so yeah, we

520
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: mentioned that they don't want any legal recognition for their

521
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: marriages or anything like that, but they do really want

522
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: to understand themselves more. They want to kind of be

523
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: a safe place for other os is to come out

524
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: and feel line about themselves and what they like. So um,

525
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: they had Dr Amy Marsh who's a clinical sex ologist.

526
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: She did a survey of the members of os that

527
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: we're willing to talk with her. I think it was

528
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: twenty one out of the forty members of os I,

529
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: and she found there's no particular history of sexual trauma,

530
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people, I guess apparently kind of jumped

531
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: to that with their questions to Erika about it. Is

532
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: sort of like, oh, so you can' understand people, right,

533
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: there's something happened to you And she's like, no, nothing

534
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: happened to me, um and with most of them know

535
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: nothing happened to them um. And Dr Marsh thinks it

536
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: should be included as a definition of sexuality like hetero

537
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: or homosexuality. She says it differs from a fetish for

538
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 1: a number of reasons. The object doesn't have to be

539
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: physically present for the attraction to occur. The object has

540
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: its own thinking and feeling in the relationship, where a

541
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: fetishized object does not. Erica has also said I don't

542
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: believe a person can project a viable love life back

543
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: to themselves. There's no spontaneity. If I'm simply deciding how

544
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: the love will proceed. I will say with all clarity

545
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: and certainty that I know that objects in my life

546
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: love me back. I could not be so fulfilled if

547
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: this were not. So that's really fascinating, and I really

548
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: appreciate the sort of self reflection going into this and

549
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: the and the studies going on. Yeah, she's really eloquent.

550
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: I think everyone should read her FVQ really because some

551
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: of it the questions are almost like written for her

552
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: to answer them, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm like,

553
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that anyone has asked that, And a

554
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: lot of times they're reiterated later on too, so they

555
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: kind of end up talking a little bit repetitive. But

556
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: I could also see her writing it out like all

557
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: the questions I've ever gotten before, and a lot of

558
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: them are pretty similar because you all just won't let

559
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: this go. But I'm not going to show you how

560
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: I have sex with my stamurai sword. I'm just not

561
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: going to do it, you know. But she's very eloquent.

562
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: It's really interesting to read it. You you, I mean,

563
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: you know I'm actively refraining from asking because the curiosity

564
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: does run wild. Oh I know. You just have to

565
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: accept that there's some things you don't have to know.

566
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: It's not for you, and that's okay, it's okay, that's okay,

567
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: that's okay. I can take a breath and then I

568
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: can live the rest of my life without knowing how

569
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: she has sex with a samurai sword. I don't need

570
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: to know because I'm fine with the way that I'm

571
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: currently having sex in my life and so it doesn't

572
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: actually affect me without samurai swords. I mean, you know,

573
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd want to include one and in play,

574
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm not against talking about it. I

575
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: guess I am. I'm I'm going to say, I am,

576
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: you're against talking about you know what, I'm gonna go

577
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: ahead and write that one off and put that in

578
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: the hard limits from the spreadsheet, all right, are just

579
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: sex spreadsheet that we have going All married couples should

580
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: have fun. It's the list of things you will and

581
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: will not do, and it grows as you get older

582
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: in both direct trust sections. Hopefully. Aja Rita died in

583
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: her house burned down and Erica has alleged arson in

584
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: the DNA India article. So I was like, oh, who

585
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: tried to burn down the guillotine museum? But I couldn't

586
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: any anything about that turning into anything. So it wasn't

587
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: an accident. It wasn't a jolted lover tragedy. Maybe just

588
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: some weirdos though I could see, you know, if people

589
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: people are rude about other people's choice, so I could

590
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: see it being maybe a hate crime or something, but

591
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: there is no evidence. I will again say there's I

592
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: could not find anything else about that. That's pure speculation.

593
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: But she did die at she was in a loving

594
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: relationship with a red garden fence and a guillotine. And

595
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: the work of os I is being carried on by

596
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: her articulate friend Eric Eiffel. She lived her life on

597
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: her own term. And I think that's pretty damn good

598
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: for life. So not bad, not bad, Ritta, in my opinion,

599
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: my judgment is pretty damn good. Yeah, she was her

600
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: own person. Yeah, she loved who she loved. She found

601
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: joy and love in life in a way that I

602
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't like. She went out there,

603
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: she felt the way she felt, and she lived that.

604
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: She made that her life. That's great. I think that's

605
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: all right. Yeah, I think that's all right. So well

606
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: done you, Ritta Ajah, Ritta burlt or More and Eric Eiffel.

607
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, if you are an O S person, please

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Speaker 1: let us know anything that we got wrong or could

609
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: could do better, or would like to know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: just anything. I'm so fascinated by this, or if we

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