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Speaker 1: We interrupt this broadcast to bring you news from x

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Speaker 1: ray Vision. Today's episode, we're talking about streaming news. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about a lot of movie news, and stay tuned

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Speaker 1: Sepsion and I'm mersday Night, and welcome back to x

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Speaker 2: News which you're listening to right now.

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Speaker 3: In today's previously on news episode, we are catching up

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Speaker 3: on the biggest geek news of the week, including the

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Speaker 3: newest Brusso Brothers movie, Electric State.

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Speaker 2: What is going on with them? Why did they love AI?

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Speaker 2: Have they made a good movie since they left the

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Speaker 3: And we'll also be talking about some interesting delays at

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Speaker 3: Warner Brothers show us that weird Maggie Jillenhole Bride movie immediately.

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Speaker 1: But first, okay, first up, the Electric State. The Electric

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Speaker 1: State is a three hundred million dollar plus film.

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Speaker 3: Starting Star Like It's more than three hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: From three twenties. What they're currently saying but from the

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Speaker 1: Russo Brothers, who, if you list, had a podcast, you

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Speaker 1: know as the directors of Captain America, The Winter Soldier,

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Speaker 1: Captain America, Civil War, Infinity War, the Avengers game game,

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Speaker 1: and many other Postmarvl flops, including this one with an

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Speaker 1: insane cast including Chris Pratt, Millie, Bobby Brown, Kahie Kwan,

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Speaker 1: yad what And the question is, go watch this movie

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Speaker 1: now on Netflix. It's utterly forgettable and really a mess

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Speaker 1: and bad, although it looks good anyway, Yeah, it's bad.

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Speaker 1: It costs three hundred twenty million dollars and nobody wants

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Speaker 1: to watch it, and it's a total bomb. And you

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Speaker 1: have to wonder if Marvel, who recalled the Russo brothers

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Speaker 1: Doctor Doom and the newest Avengers movies that are in

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Speaker 1: the waiting, if they're like, uh oh like, Because at

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Speaker 1: this point it has to be said that the Russo

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Speaker 1: brothers have, in their post Marvel career set a prop

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Speaker 1: roximately one point two billion dollars on fire yep, with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of things that nobody really likes and nobody

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Speaker 1: has really seen Rosie what happened?

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Speaker 3: I think that there is a really interesting conversation to

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Speaker 3: be had here about what the MCU actually offers two

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Speaker 3: young directors when they're coming off of a non blockbust.

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Speaker 3: The situation, which is what happened with the Russos, which

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Speaker 3: is what happened with you know Taikawaitit, which is what

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Speaker 3: happened with Ryan Coogler, where they went in and said, hey,

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Speaker 3: you guys have got talent, Let's bring them in. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: with the Russo brothers, they went on to make some

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Speaker 3: of the most successful movies.

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Speaker 2: Of all time.

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Speaker 3: I believe they are up there only with James Cameron

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Speaker 3: as people who have made two.

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Speaker 2: Billion dollar movies.

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Speaker 3: But once they left that stable, they have not been

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Speaker 2: It's been The Gray Man. Remember that? No, you don't.

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Speaker 3: You don't remember that. You don't remember the spy Thriller.

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Speaker 3: Want to remember where he has a little mustache. You're

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Speaker 3: not sure what happened with that movie? How about Cherry

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Speaker 3: the from the adapted from the novel of the same name.

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Speaker 1: That is good. That is a good book.

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Speaker 3: It's not going well for them, and I think that

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Speaker 2: Don't make me too much.

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Speaker 1: Very definitely, I mean, I think that's part of the

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Speaker 1: and they've been giving all the resources. And not just

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Speaker 1: the movies you mentioned, there's of course the very very

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Speaker 1: expensive flop television series Citadel.

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Speaker 1: Sorry sorry series started, Siria was like, let me tell

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Speaker 1: you about Citadel.

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Speaker 2: We really need able to watch it. We need Sonny back.

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Speaker 1: They've been obviously extremely successful managers and stewards of an IP,

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Speaker 1: another bit of evidence that you know, Chris Pratt.

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Speaker 2: Is they came out of an ip and what happens.

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Speaker 1: And what happened Millie Bobby Brown. I think this is

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Speaker 3: projects that get brought to Netflix, which, like the Electric State,

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Speaker 3: Bobby Brown was perfectly cast in the Andola Holmes movies

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Speaker 3: the Galaxy, what does he have to offer and the answer.

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Speaker 2: Is not very much. Also, I want to know how

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Speaker 3: The money went on star voices, because this is a

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Speaker 3: But this movie is absolutely deranged and we should mention

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Speaker 1: This is one of those where I'm like, you know

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Speaker 3: Jason said, They said, they said, please help Possibly we

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Speaker 1: Us, Please help us stop spending money on this anyway.

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Speaker 1: Next up in losing money news, Apple is apparently spending

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Speaker 1: five billion and losses previously. But that's but that's investment costs.

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Speaker 1: Like let's not get first of all, let's not care

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Speaker 1: that a corporation loses money. I personally don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: YadA YadA, YadA YadA, building out. Now they've cut that

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Speaker 1: severance and all these other things. Uh so all that

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Speaker 3: Also, they just reported a three hundred and ninety one

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Speaker 3: They were just saying at making banging TV. People are

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Speaker 3: to watch severance and probably saying that Apple, we can

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Speaker 3: Every corporation should be trying to.

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Speaker 2: Lose a billion dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: At least give us that along with your one thousand

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Speaker 2: From nineteen ninety two.

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Speaker 3: You know. No, this was like you're in NASA in

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Speaker 1: Up, Disney announces that they love sequels. Of course, the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Coco two, I feel like an almost impossible move.

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Speaker 2: No, it really is cooled Coco two and Co two.

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Speaker 1: We're leaning a little bit more into sequels and franchises,

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Speaker 1: Up next, sad news. David Stephen Cohen, the writer of

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Speaker 3: Scared.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is, it's a really big deal for kids.

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Speaker 3: Of us, For a lot of us, Courage the Cowardly

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Speaker 1: On next week's episode of X ray Vision, we're diving

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about the Severn's two finale, Wow, big, big,

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Speaker 1: big goodness, and we're gonna be keeping up, of course

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