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Speaker 1: Welcome my friends to the Buck Sexton Show. Joe Biden
Speaker 1: taking a victory lap yesterday because the Electoral College has
Speaker 1: certified his win and we have to take stock of
Speaker 1: where we are right now in response to this, and
Speaker 1: I think that everyone needs to understand there's going to
Speaker 1: be a lot of frustration here. There's going to be
Speaker 1: a lot of agitation because, yes, we know there was fraud.
Speaker 1: Yes we know that the Democrats stack the deck in
Speaker 1: their favor with the elimination of anti fraud safeguards using
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen as an excuse. But the process is continuing
Speaker 1: on and with each passing week now it's favoring Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: That's just an objective reality that we're dealing with. Is
Speaker 1: there the possibility that there will be some last minute case,
Speaker 1: that something will come up that we'll be able to
Speaker 1: finally prove definitively that there was systematic and intentional fraud,
Speaker 1: the kind of proof that even a weak will, even
Speaker 1: a cowardly judge would have to say for fear of
Speaker 1: shaming his profession or her profession, would have to say, yes,
Speaker 1: you're correct, this is fraud. We cannot certify the results
Speaker 1: in these states. Yes, it is possible. Is it likely?
Speaker 1: I think you all know the answer to that. Joe
Speaker 1: Biden now is feeling like he is inevitable that this
Speaker 1: is over, this is done with. We can continue, you
Speaker 1: know that old you can walk and chew gum. At
Speaker 1: the same time, we can continue to look for that fraud.
Speaker 1: We can dive into the Antrim County autopsy report from
Speaker 1: the voting machines, right the deep dive that they did.
Speaker 1: I read it last night. I'm curious to see what's
Speaker 1: going to be done with it. I'm sure the DOJ
Speaker 1: is aware of it. I'm sure that this is being
Speaker 1: looked at. Now. Being looked at is not the same
Speaker 1: thing as action taken on. But I believe that there
Speaker 1: are people who are going to read this thing and
Speaker 1: take a look at whether or not it changes the
Speaker 1: certification in a place like Michigan. But we have to
Speaker 1: look at that and also understand that Joe Biden is
Speaker 1: preparing for his administration at this point, and this is
Speaker 1: likely what we are going to face, and I understand
Speaker 1: there's going to be heat that I get for this.
Speaker 1: I understand that people don't want to hear this, but
Speaker 1: I always tell you that I will speak the truth
Speaker 1: to you as I see it, and I believe that
Speaker 1: this is the objective truth right now. It is a future,
Speaker 1: It is an issue of the future. It is a
Speaker 1: prediction in a sense. Right the future has not happened yet,
Speaker 1: to borrow from the Terminator films, the future is not
Speaker 1: yet set. But we need to understand what the reality
Speaker 1: of the numbers tells us right now and prepare accordingly,
Speaker 1: including making sure that we focus on the race right
Speaker 1: ahead of us here in Georgia, because a Biden administration
Speaker 1: with the House and the Senate in Democrat control is
Speaker 1: a very different thing than a Biden administration with divided Congress.
Speaker 1: With a divided Congress, they're going to have to prop
Speaker 1: up this really buffoonish, clownish and yes, corrupt fellow and
Speaker 1: spend a tremendous amount of time and energy and resources
Speaker 1: just to make sure the American people don't see for
Speaker 1: themselves this is the clown that we've elected. Really this guy. Now,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of you would say you didn't
Speaker 1: elect him, but if he becomes president, then he is
Speaker 1: technically the guy. And so we look at this now
Speaker 1: and we say, what could we do in preparation, what
Speaker 1: could we do to get ready for this? Well, I
Speaker 1: can tell you this much. A lot of what they
Speaker 1: were saying about Trump will be true or would be
Speaker 1: true about a Biden administration. A lot of it would
Speaker 1: be accurate. For example, when they talked about state media
Speaker 1: under Trump, they would say this, They really would only
Speaker 1: say this as a knock on Fox News. And I
Speaker 1: was consistent in pointing out that state media would indicate
Speaker 1: that there's only really one acceptable media point of view.
Speaker 1: I mean true state media. Some places have a government,
Speaker 1: a kind of quasi government or government Oregon, but usually
Speaker 1: if there's an actual state media apparatus, the opposition is
Speaker 1: at a minimum tiny, right, the opposition is small. In
Speaker 1: this country, we had the opposite. We had ninety five
Speaker 1: percent of journos out there, and of them anti the administration,
Speaker 1: and they advanced their careers despite what they said, Despite
Speaker 1: what Jim Acosta would pretend when you go to the
Speaker 1: White House, you know they were not doing the journalistic
Speaker 1: equivalent of storming the beaches of normandy, they were advancing
Speaker 1: their careers, they were becoming more famous, they were fattening
Speaker 1: their paychecks. So in no way, whatsoever, in no way
Speaker 1: do we see this now and have any reason to
Speaker 1: believe that Joe Biden will be anything other than absolutely
Speaker 1: coddled and propped up and assisted by the media. That's
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And you're going to hear a
Speaker 1: lot of empty rhetoric from Biden himself but also from
Speaker 1: the people around him, because this is going to be
Speaker 1: the most incredible emperor has no closed situation you've ever seen.
Speaker 1: The emperor is too old, he's incompetent, and he's corrupt.
Speaker 1: But they're going to tell you that this is great.
Speaker 1: There's going to be this amazing restaurant ration of America
Speaker 1: that happens. You know that's a fraud. You know that's
Speaker 1: not true. The amount of lies that you are likely
Speaker 1: to be told in the next ninety days alone will
Speaker 1: surpass anything you've ever seen before. Because now the media
Speaker 1: doesn't even really pretend there's no objectivity. They picked a team,
Speaker 1: He's their team. This is what they're going to do.
Speaker 1: And here's what Biden was saying yesterday on the one hand,
Speaker 1: calling for unity, calling to bring us all together, and
Speaker 1: then trashing Trump play eighteen. By his own standards, these
Speaker 1: numbers represent it a clear victory then, and I respectfully
Speaker 1: suggest they do so now. If anyone didn't know before,
Speaker 1: they know now. What beats deep in the hearts of
Speaker 1: the American people is this democracy, the right to be heard,
Speaker 1: to have your vote counted, to choose leaders of this nation,
Speaker 1: to govern ourselves in America. Politicians don't take power. People
Speaker 1: grant power to them. The flame of democracy was lit
Speaker 1: in this nation a long time ago, and we now
Speaker 1: know nothing, not even a pandemic or an abusive power,
Speaker 1: can extinguish that flame. An abusive power. What was the
Speaker 1: abusive power again? Bringing lawsuits, something that they did endlessly
Speaker 1: and in bad faith against Trump to slow him down.
Speaker 1: But now the courts are bad. Understand that we are
Speaker 1: not only going into a post journalism area with the Democrats,
Speaker 1: we're also going into a post principle era. Whatever they
Speaker 1: don't like, whatever stands in their way, they'll just discard.
Speaker 1: They don't have to make any show of really caring
Speaker 1: what you think anymore. This is about the raw exercise
Speaker 1: of political power. They think they will have achieved it
Speaker 1: through this, and look at what they did to get here.
Speaker 1: Biden's talking about democracy and how beautiful a thing it
Speaker 1: is now because he likes the outcome for him as
Speaker 1: it stands so far. The rest of us stand around saying,
Speaker 1: you guys changed the rules in an election year by
Speaker 1: hyperventilating about and exaggerating about the threat of COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: only as it pertains of course, to voting in person,
Speaker 1: not to having blm rallies in the streets, not to
Speaker 1: any number of other activities that are Democrat approved, but
Speaker 1: voting no that required enormous shifts in the actual mail
Speaker 1: in balloting process and transforming the process in the year
Speaker 1: of the election and using it to the absolute maximum advantage.
Speaker 1: And I do at some level blame Republicans, who are
Speaker 1: supposed to be the ones on guard against this blocking this.
Speaker 1: I blame them for not doing more in advance, for
Speaker 1: not seeing this train coming down the tracks. Why do
Speaker 1: you think Pelosi and the other Libs we're going all
Speaker 1: out with the crazy post office conspiracy over the summer.
Speaker 1: So that's something that now we have to learn from.
Speaker 1: I hope going forward, no matter what or what we
Speaker 1: end up finding out here about the fraud. I will
Speaker 1: continue to look at every allegation, every bit of evidence
Speaker 1: that is presented here by the Trump legal team, by
Speaker 1: anyone who comes forward and has proof of fraud. We
Speaker 1: owe that to the country. But we also need to
Speaker 1: be ready for what is coming now. And you are
Speaker 1: going to see an administration that has the full and
Speaker 1: open partisan backing of the social media companies, the entirety
Speaker 1: of the journalistic media apparatus in its pocket, big government
Speaker 1: and big business working hand in glove, not shedding any
Speaker 1: tears for the destruction, the wanton, reckless destruction of small
Speaker 1: businesses across the country as a result of these preposterous lockdowns.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna see any any tears over that. They
Speaker 1: like this advantage that they have. The eradication of small
Speaker 1: business is something that Democrats aren't particularly upset about either.
Speaker 1: Every business that's independently owned and operated is a little
Speaker 1: bit of a pushback against central planning. So they prefer
Speaker 1: that they just have Amazon and Google and these megacorporations
Speaker 1: calling all the shots and making sure they go in
Speaker 1: favor of the Democrats. And we're gonna be up against
Speaker 1: an administration that has already shown us again, assuming that
Speaker 1: this pathway continues, but we have to deal with the
Speaker 1: path that is before us. We're going to have an
Speaker 1: administration that is already compromised by China, our chief geopolitical rival.
Speaker 1: They lied about Russia collusion with Trump and pretended that
Speaker 1: Russia was a much greater threat than it was. But
Speaker 1: in fact what they were saying about about Russia is
Speaker 1: true of China. It has infiltrated our government apparatus, it
Speaker 1: has been stealing our most sensitive information and secrets for years,
Speaker 1: and it has compromised the would be first family very
Speaker 1: directly and very obviously. So this is going to be
Speaker 1: an enormous challenge. I hope that no matter what, President
Speaker 1: Trump and all of his chief advisors and supporters will
Speaker 1: come together and face this as one. But this is
Speaker 1: where we are, the electoral College. It is now President
Speaker 1: elect Biden as of now. I understand that you're going
Speaker 1: to tell me it's a fraud, and I share your sentiment,
Speaker 1: I share your outrage. But this is where we are now.
Speaker 1: I've been saying, we trust the process. The process is
Speaker 1: not over, but we are taking stock of this today.
Speaker 1: We have our work cut out for us. Friends, We
Speaker 1: have a Georgia election to win. We have judges that
Speaker 1: should be getting at last minute here pushed through as
Speaker 1: many federal judges as possible. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: heck is going on with the Republicans thinking that they
Speaker 1: can take it easy, and we have to start to
Speaker 1: make the argument against what will be a bid administration
Speaker 1: that has a lot of support from very powerful people.
Speaker 1: And you will be told that what you know is
Speaker 1: not true and what you know is and so you
Speaker 1: got to relearn that part of it. Get ready for this. Friends,
Speaker 1: we are in this together. We will eventually win. It's
Speaker 1: just a question of when. Thanks for listening to The
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show podcast. Get the latest news and information
Speaker 1: from Buck by heading to Bucksexton dot com. Four years ago,
Speaker 1: when I was a city and Vice president of the
Speaker 1: United States, it was my responsibility to announce the tally
Speaker 1: the Electric College votes the Joint Session of Congress and
Speaker 1: voted to elect Don't Trump. I did my job, and
Speaker 1: I'm pleased but not surprised. But the number of my
Speaker 1: former Republican colleagues in the Senate who have acknowledged already
Speaker 1: the results of the Electoral College, I thank them, and
Speaker 1: I'm convinced we can work together for the good of
Speaker 1: the nation on many subjects. That's the duty go to
Speaker 1: the people, to our constitution, to our history. You know,
Speaker 1: in this battle for the soul of America, democracy prevailed.
Speaker 1: We the people voted, faith in our institutions held. The
Speaker 1: integrity of our elections remains intact. And now it's time
Speaker 1: to turn the page, as you've done throughout our history,
Speaker 1: to unite to heal. Yeah, he sounds like he's in
Speaker 1: great shape, doesn't he. Everything's gonna be just fine. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a great present. It's gonna be a great presidency, folks,
Speaker 1: all all eighteen months or so of it, before he
Speaker 1: decides he's had enough. Although you know, I will say
Speaker 1: a lot of us underestimated. You know, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's fair to say I underestimated Joe Biden. I underestimated
Speaker 1: the Democrat willingness to put forward a clownish buffoon, but
Speaker 1: to create a package of a Biden administration that they
Speaker 1: were able to sell to enough people that they thought
Speaker 1: this was gonna be much better. Look, the Trump't arrangement
Speaker 1: syndrome that they spread all of the media, spread all
Speaker 1: across the country. It certainly had an effect. I mean,
Speaker 1: there were a lot a lot of people. The fact
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden, let's say Joe Biden cheated just theoretically
Speaker 1: though I don't want to anyone to fact check me
Speaker 1: on this, but let's say Joe Biden had had his
Speaker 1: team add a half a million votes to the tally.
Speaker 1: The fact that this guy still got the eighty million
Speaker 1: votes roughly that he is mind blowing, this clown, this
Speaker 1: guy whose son is getting spare keys made for him
Speaker 1: to open up the office where they're gonna be peddling
Speaker 1: influence to the Chinese Communist Party when he's not, you know,
Speaker 1: getting strippers knocked up and pretending he's not the dad
Speaker 1: and doing all kinds of you know, I mean, come,
Speaker 1: this guy, it's gonna be president. Maybe maybe I know
Speaker 1: it's not until he's sworn in. I mean, folks, I
Speaker 1: just want to know what will be the At what
Speaker 1: point do you think that it's no longer an issue
Speaker 1: of having a backbone for the fight to call in there?
Speaker 1: Do we wait? I will ask some folks this because
Speaker 1: I know today just by me saying, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: take stock of where we are and be honest about this.
Speaker 1: I know people are gonna email me and say that,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have enough stomach for the fight,
Speaker 1: or something like that, and I just want to respond
Speaker 1: to them what I've been saying. Fight every step of
Speaker 1: the way. But at some point, you know, at some point,
Speaker 1: we're the team that's staying behind on the field, at
Speaker 1: least for this particular game, when the other team is left,
Speaker 1: they're waving a trophy in the air, and the stands
Speaker 1: have emptied out, and the lights, you know, the field
Speaker 1: lights are getting turned off. It is it the inauguration day?
Speaker 1: Do I think that there's going to be an opportunity
Speaker 1: perhaps to bring action against Joe Biden and against some
Speaker 1: of the other some of the Democrats who are involved
Speaker 1: in Russia collusion, for example, based on the Durham probe.
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. I wouldn't say it's likely at all.
Speaker 1: I always tell you no one can predict the future.
Speaker 1: Obviously not a lot of US conservatives can. I really
Speaker 1: believed in my heart that Trump was gonna win, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that if only legal ballots were countered, I
Speaker 1: think that Trump did win. But I can't change this.
Speaker 1: You can't change this. I mean, I wish that I
Speaker 1: had the resources and the ability to go out there
Speaker 1: and find all this fraud and piece it all together.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to tell you though, the people that are
Speaker 1: claiming that, don't worry. It's still in the bag. There's
Speaker 1: the plan release the crack in. They're not being honest
Speaker 1: with you. They're not being straight with you. The best,
Speaker 1: the biggest earliest Trump supporters that I know, people that
Speaker 1: I won't name because I've talked to them in confidence,
Speaker 1: but the ones that I know, they'll say offline, yeah, look,
Speaker 1: this is not it's not looking good. But we fight
Speaker 1: this to the end. That's where I am. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: let's let's deal with what's ahead of us. Continue to
Speaker 1: push see where this Antrim County audit, the forensic electronic
Speaker 1: audit really goes, and understand that there's a lot. There's
Speaker 1: a lot that we have here that we have to
Speaker 1: focus on. And I am very concerned about the trajectory
Speaker 1: of the US versus China under a possible Biden administration now,
Speaker 1: but you know is this is something that we have
Speaker 1: to regain our focus here pretty quickly because they're gonna
Speaker 1: want to hit the ground running. We are weeks away
Speaker 1: from an inauguration that the media is going to treat
Speaker 1: as a total reset. And remember, our freedoms are under
Speaker 1: assault because of COVID and ways that are unimaginable. We
Speaker 1: have an enormous challenge ahead of us with the Chinese
Speaker 1: Communist Party, and we've got a buffoon in Joe Biden
Speaker 1: who's going to be the one calling the shots. If
Speaker 1: this trend can continues, you're in the freedom hunt. This
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Speaker 1: I mentioned the Michigan voting machine audit. I was going
Speaker 1: to say that the President of the United States, Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: was sharing this earlier today. This is what he thinks
Speaker 1: is going on here, and we should at least follow
Speaker 1: what the actual commander in chief is saying about all
Speaker 1: of this. He wrote on Twitter at quote sixty eight
Speaker 1: percent ararated Michigan voting machines should be by law a
Speaker 1: tiny percentage of one percent? Did the Michigan Secretary of
Speaker 1: State break the law? Stay tuned? And then tremendous problems
Speaker 1: being found with voting machines. They are so far off
Speaker 1: it is ridiculous able to take a landslide victory and
Speaker 1: reduce it to a tight loss. This is not what
Speaker 1: the usay is all about. Law enforcement shielding machines do
Speaker 1: not tamper a crime. Much more to come? Okay, well
Speaker 1: let's see what the much more to come is. As
Speaker 1: as I've been telling you all along, I want more information,
Speaker 1: I want more data, more evidence. There's no there is
Speaker 1: no part of me that is saying, oh if we
Speaker 1: find out right and think of there's almost like a
Speaker 1: murder investigation, all right, you can you can know that
Speaker 1: someone did the murder. You could know that someone did
Speaker 1: the murder as a law enforcement person. But you can't
Speaker 1: hold them while you're gathering all the evidence if you
Speaker 1: if you have not yet you know, charged them with
Speaker 1: the crime, right, you can't just hold them. You're like, well,
Speaker 1: we think it's you, but we don't have the evidence
Speaker 1: yet to go and get an arrest warrant, and we
Speaker 1: don't have that, so we're just gonna hold you until
Speaker 1: we find all of it. No, you got to release
Speaker 1: the person, even if you know, even if you know
Speaker 1: that they're probably guilty, but you don't have the proof yet.
Speaker 1: You got to release them. That doesn't mean, though, you
Speaker 1: can't come back to it later. So let's see, let's
Speaker 1: see what we're able to pull together here. I've been
Speaker 1: hearing from people who are not just the Trump legal team,
Speaker 1: but are independently trying to assess and pull together all
Speaker 1: the data. You know. Remember, it's one thing to show
Speaker 1: that it's almost impossible statistically for Trump to have lost
Speaker 1: in some of these places, but almost impossible without proof
Speaker 1: of the intentional fraud. Is not going to be enough
Speaker 1: to get a judge to say that there was cheating here.
Speaker 1: And that's not the same thing as saying there was
Speaker 1: no cheating, right, So this is what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the process and the system and trying
Speaker 1: to make us all understand what's really happening, what's unfolding
Speaker 1: before us right now. And it's infuriating, but it is
Speaker 1: what it is. So Trump is saying that they found
Speaker 1: these problems. We'll see what ends up happening. And as
Speaker 1: I've also told you, affidavits not going to be enough,
Speaker 1: not going to be enough. You and I can sit
Speaker 1: here and have a conversation about how affidavits are these are.
Speaker 1: Do I believe them? Yes? I do. Do I think
Speaker 1: that these people are telling the truth. Yeah, But is
Speaker 1: a judge going to say, well, this person saw a
Speaker 1: thousand ballots that it's inexplicable how they all went for Biden.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to invalidate then the hundred thousand ballots
Speaker 1: that were counted that day at that election site. They're
Speaker 1: not going to do that. The judge is not going
Speaker 1: to do that. So, as I've been telling you, the
Speaker 1: the affidavits are not enough. And look, I know if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong about any of this, I'll come back and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that I'm wrong. I will tell you
Speaker 1: there are people out there right now who are just
Speaker 1: squabbling from the from the scraps or for the scraps
Speaker 1: from the Trump train, and it's really just about them.
Speaker 1: They don't there's no interest in then being honest with
Speaker 1: people because they don't want they don't want to shoot
Speaker 1: the messenger phenomenon to happen right now, you know. But
Speaker 1: the Electoral College met yesterday and it is now, it
Speaker 1: is now President elect Joe Biden. That's that's where we are.
Speaker 1: And I spit out the words too, but I appreciate
Speaker 1: that those of you who are joining me here understand
Speaker 1: that we gotta face this. We gotta face it. We
Speaker 1: can't hide from it, can't run from it. This is
Speaker 1: what we're dealing with. And you also have the resignation
Speaker 1: of Attorney General bar that occurred yesterday. And let me
Speaker 1: say this, I have been a big proponent of the
Speaker 1: Attorney General. I think that he's an excellent legal mind.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good and ethical man, and I
Speaker 1: understand there's a lot of frustration right now about both
Speaker 1: the Durham probe and the election. A few things here. One,
Speaker 1: he appointed Durham. Durham's a guy running that probe, and
Speaker 1: you know, I don't there's no way for the Attorney
Speaker 1: General that I'm aware of, to say you need to
Speaker 1: speed this thing up. That could be considered undue interference,
Speaker 1: that could be considered politicization. So he handed this off
Speaker 1: to somebody who's supposed to be a very dogged and
Speaker 1: thorough prosecutor. Well, I think a lot of people are
Speaker 1: finding that its prosecutors are just lawyers. They're just lawyers.
Speaker 1: There's not some you know, factory of superheroes somewhere that's
Speaker 1: churning out great folks will then all become prosecutors, right,
Speaker 1: there's bad prosecutors, good prosecutors, and so the Durham probe
Speaker 1: is frustrating. But I also never really believe that they
Speaker 1: would that they would hold to full account members of
Speaker 1: the deep state. They're too powerful. There's there's too many
Speaker 1: connections here among them. And then you have the frustration
Speaker 1: over bar and the election, and I just he's not
Speaker 1: a judge. And I know this is not maybe a
Speaker 1: popular thing to say right now, but he's not a judge.
Speaker 1: What is he supposed to do here? People who say
Speaker 1: that the DOJ is not looking at these allegations, I
Speaker 1: have it. I have it on very good authority that
Speaker 1: they are looking at these allegations and they are presenting
Speaker 1: they are presenting this information up the chain, and that
Speaker 1: it's exactly what I've been saying. The Democrats removed the
Speaker 1: safeguards to be able to prove the fraud so we
Speaker 1: can keep running around. I understand there's this frustration people
Speaker 1: are It's like they're banging on the wall here saying,
Speaker 1: but there was fraud. I'm saying, I know, but you
Speaker 1: have to be able to prove it or judges will
Speaker 1: not do anything about it. This is where we are.
Speaker 1: You know, if you had a burglary and and somebody
Speaker 1: and somebody pulled all of the alarms and the and
Speaker 1: the video cameras out of the room, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the you know, the diamond necklace is gone.
Speaker 1: You can talk about how it was stolen, but if
Speaker 1: you can't show any proof, no one's going to prison.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to tell you. And other people
Speaker 1: aren't going to tell you that now, they're gonna say, Oh,
Speaker 1: the kracking is just waiting on the sign the no,
Speaker 1: it's not, it's not. I'm every bit as frustrated as
Speaker 1: you are. I think the four years of a Trump
Speaker 1: presidency was going to be four more years, was going
Speaker 1: to be fantastic for us. We're gonna have a great
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one booming economy. Maybe maybe we still get it.
Speaker 1: But it's not looking good, not looking good at all. Now. A. G.
Speaker 1: Barr resigned. This the last thing that the President said
Speaker 1: about him. I think should be remembered here because there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people that are trashing the attorney general.
Speaker 1: And I think there are people who worked in the
Speaker 1: Trump administration at a very senior level. I think there
Speaker 1: are people who were completely incompetent, bad at their jobs
Speaker 1: and deserve to be fired. I think James Comey obviously
Speaker 1: deserved to be fired and sent to prison. But here's
Speaker 1: what Donald Trump wrote yesterday about the Attorney general. Just
Speaker 1: had a very nice meeting with Attorney General Bill Barr
Speaker 1: at the White House. Our relationship has been a very
Speaker 1: good one. He's done an outstanding job. As per letter,
Speaker 1: Bill will be leaving just before Christmas to spend the
Speaker 1: holidays with his family. So there's the President saying, look
Speaker 1: I like this guy, and he's stepping down, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: So let's not you know, he's not some deep state stuge.
Speaker 1: He's not the enemy of the people or any of
Speaker 1: this stuff. He probably just realized he's in an unwinnable situation.
Speaker 1: He's just gonna get blamed for things by people who
Speaker 1: understand that there was fraud in this election. But he
Speaker 1: has not. You know, the Attorney General has not been
Speaker 1: able to find enough of it, nor have they been
Speaker 1: able to present evidence in a federal court of it
Speaker 1: to change the result. So he's in a losing position
Speaker 1: and he doesn't and he just figures, okay, look, have
Speaker 1: someone else do this. I get it. It's a thankless,
Speaker 1: a thankless role right now. And I just want to
Speaker 1: everyone to be very clear. The president sent him. This
Speaker 1: is like being you know, honorably discharged. President said nice
Speaker 1: things about him on the way out. The president doesn't
Speaker 1: always do that, as you know. So this is the
Speaker 1: Attorney General saying, all right, I've done what I can.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's somebody better who can step up and do this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home with my family for Christmas. That's
Speaker 1: all it is. And I think the Attorney General did
Speaker 1: a solid job. You freed, of course, disagree with me
Speaker 1: on that, but I think that overall the Attorney General
Speaker 1: was an ethical guy. And for those of you who
Speaker 1: were going to really get mad at me, let me
Speaker 1: just say Bill Barr was considered a stooge and a
Speaker 1: hatchetman by the media of Trump until five minutes ago.
Speaker 1: So something happened here. And it's not that the Attorney
Speaker 1: General all of a sudden became some deep state operative, right,
Speaker 1: That's not what happened. What happened is we've got a
Speaker 1: very frustrating election result, and there's a lot of blame
Speaker 1: going around right now, and including the people that don't
Speaker 1: deserve it. You're in the freedom Hunt. This is the
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show podcast. Get more from Buck by following
Speaker 1: him on social media at buck Sexton on Facebook, Twitter,
Speaker 1: and Instagram. Let me ask you, Governor. There was an
Speaker 1: allegation made over the weekend on Twitter by a former
Speaker 1: aid of yours who said that accused you of sexual
Speaker 1: harassments that had happened over a period of year. I
Speaker 1: wanted to get your reaction to that. Yeah, I heard
Speaker 1: about the tweet, uh, and what it's said about comments
Speaker 1: that I had made And it's not true, zach. Uh. Look,
Speaker 1: I fought for and I believe a woman has the
Speaker 1: right to come forward and express her opinion and express
Speaker 1: issues and concerns that she has. But it's uh, it's
Speaker 1: just not true. So he's calling her a liar. Can
Speaker 1: we can we just all agree that that's what he
Speaker 1: is saying, that she is a liar. And I would
Speaker 1: just prefer it if he would come out and say
Speaker 1: that instead of playing this game where you have him
Speaker 1: say I I fought for a right to come forward
Speaker 1: and you know, to say to things. But turns out
Speaker 1: thought she's a big liar. Look, I don't think she's
Speaker 1: lying at all, and it's I know that you could
Speaker 1: say to me, oh, but Buck, that's because he's a
Speaker 1: Democrat and you don't like him, and you think that
Speaker 1: he's you know, King Cuomo and a maniac. I don't
Speaker 1: like him, and I do think he's a maniac. And
Speaker 1: it's terrifying that he might be a an attorney general
Speaker 1: under a bid administration that's already been talked about. That
Speaker 1: I find that deeply concerning. But I also am willing
Speaker 1: to give you my honest assessment of these things. I
Speaker 1: don't always think that these allegations, even there against Democrats
Speaker 1: are true. They do tend to be true more often
Speaker 1: against high profile Democrats than they are against high profile Republicans.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that there you have noticed this, but
Speaker 1: it's it's not an absolute. But Cuomo is a jerk.
Speaker 1: And Cuomo is a guy who you can just tell.
Speaker 1: You can tell that he thinks that he can get
Speaker 1: away with stuff. He's known as a bully, he's known
Speaker 1: as being vindictive. It's not a nice guy. So you
Speaker 1: know when they accuse Kavanaugh, who is like, you know,
Speaker 1: Ned Flanders went to Harvard Law School or something, or
Speaker 1: Yale Law School. I forget which one. And it is
Speaker 1: like this legal legal supermind who is coaching you know,
Speaker 1: girls basketball on the weekend. Everybody loves him. They accuse
Speaker 1: him of being a serial gang rapist, one of the ugliest,
Speaker 1: most underhanded and disgraceful episodes in American politics in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: And no intelligent person could really believe that those things
Speaker 1: were true, but they wanted to believe it because they
Speaker 1: wanted to stop him from being on the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: Look what we're seeing the Supreme Court. Even when you
Speaker 1: put constitutionalists on the left. And I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 1: and it's annoying, but you gotta know the truth. When
Speaker 1: the left gets one of their judges on, they've got
Speaker 1: somebody who plays for their team. When the right gets
Speaker 1: one of their judges on, they've got somebody who adheres
Speaker 1: to the constitution. You can see this the left, the
Speaker 1: left does not disappoint their side. They get what they want.
Speaker 1: That's what an activist judge means. That's their mandate, give
Speaker 1: us what we want. Right, create a living constitution where
Speaker 1: you just decide that you think this is better, and
Speaker 1: the progressive should get their way. For the on the right,
Speaker 1: constitutionalist judges they say, look, I don't like this policy
Speaker 1: or I don't think this is a good idea, but
Speaker 1: it is constitutional, so I can't do anything about it.
Speaker 1: You just think of all think of big cases. That's
Speaker 1: what keeps happening. But bring it back to Cuomo. So
Speaker 1: they'll say that boy scout Cavanaugh is a bad guy,
Speaker 1: and you know he's a rapist and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's just absurd and I'm never letting that go. That,
Speaker 1: in some ways was almost as radicalizing and perhaps it
Speaker 1: was as radicalizing a moment for many conservatives as the
Speaker 1: Russia collusion lies about Trump, because it was so obviously
Speaker 1: false and so vicious, and I'm never gonna forget it,
Speaker 1: never gonna forgive it either. But then you have Cuomo.
Speaker 1: Here's a guy who is a jerk and everyone knows it,
Speaker 1: and he's powermad and I believe there was actually a
Speaker 1: domestic disturbance at his house once when he was married,
Speaker 1: and the police showed up, and that everyone had to
Speaker 1: pretend it didn't happen. He shut down the Morelin Commission
Speaker 1: in a corruption of him, just essentially by intimidating and
Speaker 1: you know, scaring everybody is a bad guy. He's just
Speaker 1: a bad guy, and now he's being accused of things that. Remember,
Speaker 1: she didn't go overboard. She wasn't saying, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: he drugged me and all this other stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, not that couldn't happen, but that would be
Speaker 1: a bit of that would be a pretty extreme allegation.
Speaker 1: She says that he said, you know, sexist comments and
Speaker 1: talk about my appearance. And you know, if you look
Speaker 1: at the woman in question, I find it very credible
Speaker 1: that Cuomo would comment on her appearance. I don't think
Speaker 1: that that's a stretch at all. And I'm just bringing
Speaker 1: this up because get ready to kind of stay with
Speaker 1: our prepare for the battle ahead mentality today. Get ready
Speaker 1: for the double standards that we saw in the first
Speaker 1: four years of Trump. Going forward under a Binden administration
Speaker 1: will be just mind blowing. They won't have any standards,
Speaker 1: accept double standards. They will just everything that they've said
Speaker 1: in the past, whether it's about the grounds for impeachment,
Speaker 1: whether it's about the Me Too movement, women have a right,
Speaker 1: women have a right to be believed, was the That
Speaker 1: was the line, that was the claim that was made whenever,
Speaker 1: whether it was Trump or Kavanaugh, ay, any Republican was
Speaker 1: accused of anything, and there were some people like Cosby
Speaker 1: and Weinstein who weren't politicians but were I guess democrats.
Speaker 1: Winstein's clearly a Democrat who were guilty. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: those women did have a right to believed because they
Speaker 1: were telling the truth. But now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: when it's Cuomo, they're gonna they're gonna avoid talking about
Speaker 1: this story and they're gonna take his word for it,
Speaker 1: and they'll let him get away with the formulation that
Speaker 1: he gave you there where he's just saying, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: she has a right to come forward. Well, what does
Speaker 1: that mean. We were told that she has a right
Speaker 1: to be believed. Hillary Clinton said about women coming forward
Speaker 1: with allegations, they have a right to be believed. And
Speaker 1: now we when there's a Democrat he's in trouble, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now we have a Oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can really take that seriously anymore.
Speaker 1: That's standard that we were using to try to eviscerate Republicans.
Speaker 1: Maybe we need to be a little more thoughtful about
Speaker 1: how we do this. Maybe we need to be a
Speaker 1: little more evidentiary in the way that we approached these things,
Speaker 1: and I sit here saying wow, no, no, no, duh,
Speaker 1: no surprise, huh. And Cuomo is going to get away
Speaker 1: with this. There will be no consequences from whatsoever Democrat
Speaker 1: voters in New York State where I am, at least
Speaker 1: for now, I don't know what it's going to take
Speaker 1: them to realize this guy's a nightmare. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd think that at this point they would
Speaker 1: have figured it out, and they want anybody but him.
Speaker 1: The media loves this guy. They love him so he
Speaker 1: can get away with anything. And he's about to get
Speaker 1: away with these sexual sexual harassment allegations. That's for sure.
Speaker 1: You're in the freedom Hunt. This is the buck Sexton
Speaker 1: Show podcast from more buck Head to buck sexton dot
Speaker 1: com and remember to subscribe to the podcast. What are
Speaker 1: we really seeing when it comes to the results of
Speaker 1: these lockdowns and what has the data told us so
Speaker 1: far about so many of these expert predictions when it
Speaker 1: comes to COVID nineteen and how we're supposed to handle it.
Speaker 1: We're joined out by Phil Kirpin. He's a syndicated columnist
Speaker 1: and also the president of American Commitment. Phil Thanks for
Speaker 1: making the time great to be with you. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about schools first. What is the data tell us about
Speaker 1: school lockdowns at this stage, or I should just say
Speaker 1: school closures, it's not even really lockdowns. Closing school and
Speaker 1: doing only virtual learning probably the single biggest policy mistake
Speaker 1: of the entire year, which is hanging a lot because
Speaker 1: we've had a lot of policy mistakes. It's interesting, the
Speaker 1: original CDC guidance on schools was really balanced, and I
Speaker 1: think anyone who actually read it and paid attention would
Speaker 1: not have closed schools. And yet we had sort of
Speaker 1: this panic contagion that swept the whole country and all
Speaker 1: the schools were closed, and a lot of them never
Speaker 1: reopened or opened on very limited part time schedules. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting. There was a study in the Journal of
Speaker 1: the American Medical Association a couple of weeks ago. They
Speaker 1: looked at just the impact of elementary school closures and
Speaker 1: just for two months in the spring, and they calculated
Speaker 1: five million years of life lost from two months of
Speaker 1: elementary school closures, which is probably more years of life
Speaker 1: lost than we're going to have from the coronavirus. There's
Speaker 1: a very strong relationship between educational attainment and not just income,
Speaker 1: but life expectancy as well. The difference between a high
Speaker 1: school graduate and high school dropout, on average is about
Speaker 1: five years of life expectancy. The online learning is not
Speaker 1: working for a lot of people. For some kids, it's fine,
Speaker 1: some of them are doing okay, but a lot of
Speaker 1: kids are failing. A lot more kids than ever failed
Speaker 1: with traditional school, and that has major long term consequences,
Speaker 1: both economic and health consequences. And so we're essentially imposing
Speaker 1: enormous harms and enormous enormous costs on children societally, even
Speaker 1: though children are atists near zero risks, certainly much lower
Speaker 1: risk with coronavirus than they are from seasonal flu, which
Speaker 1: is five to ten times more deadly for children than coronavirus,
Speaker 1: and that we tolerate and that we think is a
Speaker 1: perfectly acceptable low level of risk. And so children have
Speaker 1: really been the biggest losers in our policy response to COVID.
Speaker 1: It feels increasingly feel like the elimination of any tolerable
Speaker 1: risk when it comes to COVID has been at the
Speaker 1: same of a lot of the policies that we see
Speaker 1: and restaurants in New York City have just been closed
Speaker 1: as of this week. Contact racing shown that they were
Speaker 1: responsible for they believe about one percent of the spread.
Speaker 1: So what are what have we learned about? Where is
Speaker 1: the virus spreading in New York And it's and it's
Speaker 1: environs because that's a that's also a good proxy for
Speaker 1: where it would be spreading in other densely populated parts
Speaker 1: of the country. Well, the data the New York published,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting because they published you know, very very
Speaker 1: similar data back in May and then ignored it, and
Speaker 1: now they're finding the same thing again, which is almost
Speaker 1: all of the spread is inside of homes, inside of households.
Speaker 1: And you know, New York of course has a lot
Speaker 1: of high density residential, a lot of multi family, you know,
Speaker 1: apartment buildings, and so you know, maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: different there and some other places, but by and large,
Speaker 1: I think it's now pretty clear from the contact tracing
Speaker 1: we've seen all over the country that there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of spread places like restaurants and retail and so
Speaker 1: for the spread tends to happen sort of the one
Speaker 1: to one person to person spread tends to happen inside
Speaker 1: of homes. Now we also have this other problem of
Speaker 1: these occasional sort of super spread or events which are
Speaker 1: hard to predict, and we still don't really know why
Speaker 1: some small percentage of people with this virus and it's
Speaker 1: only maybe ten percent something like that seemed to be
Speaker 1: responsible for, you know, a lot of the spread. And
Speaker 1: so you know, if you got on the average person
Speaker 1: gets this virus infects zero or one other people, and
Speaker 1: then but then you've got this small group that affects
Speaker 1: tons of people, and you know, we still don't really
Speaker 1: know what makes them different and why they tend to
Speaker 1: infect lots of people. And I wish with more research
Speaker 1: we're going into that because that would be very useful
Speaker 1: to sort of identify and be able to predict what
Speaker 1: those characteristics are. But by and large, what we saw
Speaker 1: in the New York did, and it was remarkable because
Speaker 1: Governor Cuomo came out and he said, look, here's the data.
Speaker 1: Seventy five percent of transmission is in homes, one percent
Speaker 1: is in restaurants. So I'm closing us. And you know,
Speaker 1: then he said, well, you know, because it's something we
Speaker 1: can do. You know, we can't close homes, we can
Speaker 1: close restaurants. But of course, just because you can do something,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's actually you know, he said, you know,
Speaker 1: it's only a small difference, but it's something we can do.
Speaker 1: You know, but if you look at the data, but
Speaker 1: it's more likely to be a negative difference than a
Speaker 1: positive difference, because if you say, you know, we're going
Speaker 1: to push gatherings and holiday gatherings and dinners and all
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff out of restaurants where people are
Speaker 1: being very strict with their distancing and their hygiene and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, we're gonna push them out. We're gonna close.
Speaker 1: Now they're gonna take place in homes instead. You know,
Speaker 1: some of them won't take place at all, but a
Speaker 1: lot of them will take place in homes instead without
Speaker 1: any of those precautions. And so in my judgment, the
Speaker 1: restaurant closure is not only economically devastating, but it's more
Speaker 1: likely to increase transmission than to decrease it because people
Speaker 1: are going to meet in home settings instead. Well, this
Speaker 1: was a concern also last winter or late late in
Speaker 1: the winter, when we recognize that New York City was
Speaker 1: facing this first big wave of COVID cases. They went
Speaker 1: into the fifteen days to stop the spread, and the
Speaker 1: stay at home orders, and a lot of people are saying, well,
Speaker 1: hold on a second, We've had this virus is all
Speaker 1: over the place already, and now what you're going to
Speaker 1: be doing by shutting down the schools, shutting down anywhere
Speaker 1: for people to places for people to go, is you
Speaker 1: might actually be forcing And you mentioned multigenerational, multi family homes,
Speaker 1: dense housing, which is all over New York City where
Speaker 1: people it's very difficult to really stay far away from others.
Speaker 1: It may have effectively sent everyone home to infect their
Speaker 1: family members inadvertently, but that was always a concern. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that that almost certainly was a big part
Speaker 1: of what happened in New York back in the spring. Now,
Speaker 1: the good thing you've got going for you now in
Speaker 1: New York is, you know, so many people have already
Speaker 1: had it. You have a very high level of community immunity,
Speaker 1: probably higher than anywhere else in the United States. And
Speaker 1: so if you look at the New York state numbers,
Speaker 1: it's now mostly outside of the New York City area
Speaker 1: and sort of the rest of the state is kind
Speaker 1: of catching up New York City. If you look at
Speaker 1: the hospital utilization in the emergency room data, you've actually
Speaker 1: got lower emergency room visits for respiratory illnesses and influenza
Speaker 1: like illness now than you know, any of the previous
Speaker 1: five years this time of year. So you're actually lower
Speaker 1: than normal in New York City, I think because you've
Speaker 1: got a lot of community immunity to COVID and because
Speaker 1: the other factor, which is happening everywhere in the world
Speaker 1: right now with very little attention paid to it. There's
Speaker 1: almost no flu activity this year. And we don't know
Speaker 1: if that's because the you know, the policy measures like
Speaker 1: the masks and the distancing and school closures are somehow
Speaker 1: more effective for flu than they are for COVID, or
Speaker 1: if the virus itself has somehow disrupted. We don't really
Speaker 1: know why it's the case, but it's a remarkable story
Speaker 1: because remember the experts that we're gonna have this twindemic
Speaker 1: flu is going to hit at the same time as COVID,
Speaker 1: all the hospital is gonna be overwhelmed. Instead, we've got
Speaker 1: you know, the mildest flu season since at least twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: and maybe you know, see if it doesn't take off
Speaker 1: at all, maybe the mildest flue season on records. So
Speaker 1: you've got you know, really under utilization of hospitals in
Speaker 1: a place like New York City that has relatively little
Speaker 1: COVID activity because we're not saying any fluid. I pulled
Speaker 1: some numbers last week. I'm glad you brought that up. Phil.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking of Phili Kirpin, syndicated columnist, journalist, and at Phil,
Speaker 1: I looked at the initial Now, now I had someone, right,
Speaker 1: I've had people right into me since to say, we're
Speaker 1: not really testing for flu the way that we normally do.
Speaker 1: And to that, I say, okay, because I am asking.
Speaker 1: You know, so sometimes people are asking a question and
Speaker 1: they're really trying to push a conclusion. I'm actually asking
Speaker 1: the question. But I pose to the audience. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, the initial data on the CDC website for
Speaker 1: the first week of December, and and I think it
Speaker 1: was it was low for what they actually had for COVID.
Speaker 1: So this was initial data. So the numbers are clearly
Speaker 1: going to go up, and you know, maybe it went
Speaker 1: from you know, maybe I might even go up by
Speaker 1: a factor of ten, let's say, right, I mean, it
Speaker 1: could go up substantially, But the initial data said that
Speaker 1: they had something like two thousand plus COVID debts in
Speaker 1: the first week of December that we're officially COVID, you know,
Speaker 1: meaning that this is what they had three three from
Speaker 1: the flu. Now I can understand more COVID I could
Speaker 1: under but there's clearly something going on here. I mean,
Speaker 1: you mentioned some of the possibilities. There's no way that
Speaker 1: you have almost a factor of a thousand more COVID
Speaker 1: debts than you do flu debts given what we would
Speaker 1: see in a normal flu season. That's not possible. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, flue peaks are more often in January February
Speaker 1: than they are in November and December time. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: have in earlier flu seasons. So you know a lot
Speaker 1: of people say, well, you know flu's not here yet,
Speaker 1: it's still coming. That might be true, but we've never
Speaker 1: seen levels this low. We've never seen levels this low.
Speaker 1: And if you look at the CDC flu testing data,
Speaker 1: it's down about ninety almost one hundred percent some weeks,
Speaker 1: and we've at like ninety eight percent reduction from the
Speaker 1: five year average. And it's not that we're not testing.
Speaker 1: The flu tests are actually higher than the five year average,
Speaker 1: and they're actually at a record high. At the number
Speaker 1: of flu tests at the CDC tracks and the CDC
Speaker 1: only tracks clinical labs and public health labs, so they
Speaker 1: don't track you know, like the rapid tests in the
Speaker 1: doctor's office. That's not in the stats, so they only
Speaker 1: have thousands of tests. They don't have millions of tests.
Speaker 1: But it's still it indicates that I think one of
Speaker 1: three things is going on. Buck Either, we've got the
Speaker 1: public health measures that are being implemented for some reason
Speaker 1: are very effective at stopping flu, even though they don't
Speaker 1: seem to be. They're not effective. It's stopping covid right right,
Speaker 1: So that's a little hard to believe, although a lot
Speaker 1: of people have been saying that or somehow the covid
Speaker 1: virus itself disrupts the flu virus, which is possible. There's
Speaker 1: a phenomenon called viral interference, and this was actually how
Speaker 1: swine flu ended back in two thousand and nine. The
Speaker 1: rhinovirus came in and it's sort of just knocked it out,
Speaker 1: you know, people got that instead, and it's sort of
Speaker 1: locked it out. And there was some hope. There was
Speaker 1: actually an article, you know, months ago, hoping that flu
Speaker 1: season would come in and sort of disrupt covid that
Speaker 1: definitely didn't happen, but maybe the opposite happened. Maybe COVID
Speaker 1: disrupted flu, and you know, once you get COVID, your
Speaker 1: mucus build up blocks flu, or some mechanism causes viral interference.
Speaker 1: Or the third possibility is that we've got some sort
Speaker 1: of a data artifact where maybe you know, we're get
Speaker 1: so many false positives for COVID that people get flu,
Speaker 1: they test false positive, it goes into the stats as
Speaker 1: of COVID case instead of a flu case. Maybe there's
Speaker 1: a timing issue where even though we have lots of
Speaker 1: flu tests, people are only taking the flu test after
Speaker 1: they get a negative COVID test back, and by then
Speaker 1: flu is not detectable anymore. Some people have suggested that,
Speaker 1: so they're basically there are three possibilities, in my judgment,
Speaker 1: Either the policies are actually stopping flu somehow there's actual
Speaker 1: viral interference, or we've got some sort of a data
Speaker 1: artifact based on the sequence and the way that we're
Speaker 1: doing the testing that's causing the flu cases to be
Speaker 1: mischaracterized as COVID. So it's got to be one of
Speaker 1: those three things. I'm not sure which it is, or
Speaker 1: if it's a combination. But I wish there were a
Speaker 1: lot more curiosity about this, you know, among the media
Speaker 1: and among the public health officials, because it's a pretty
Speaker 1: remarkable of phenomenon. Talk to me about this, and we're
Speaker 1: speaking of Phil Kirpin. He is the president of American Commitment,
Speaker 1: and he's a syndicated columnist. Phil. I see all these charts,
Speaker 1: and I've I've looked at some of the data myself,
Speaker 1: and they show mask mandates going into place on a timeline.
Speaker 1: And you know, for a state, right whether it's California
Speaker 1: or Hawaii or New York or wherever mask mandate goes
Speaker 1: into effect, and then you have countless charts where you
Speaker 1: just give it time and the case is just skyrocket
Speaker 1: after the mandate goes into effect. What can we just
Speaker 1: tell from the numbers about this as a policy? Can
Speaker 1: can we draw any conclusions or you can you draw
Speaker 1: any conclusions from what we're seeing. I don't think masks
Speaker 1: have any effect mask mandates, You know, we should we
Speaker 1: should differentiate the two masked mandates and masks are not
Speaker 1: necessarily synonymous, because just because the mandates in an area
Speaker 1: doesn't mean everyone's wearing them or wearing them properly or
Speaker 1: handling them properly and so forth. You know, the reason
Speaker 1: historically we've never recommended masks outside of medical settings is
Speaker 1: it's actually really hard to use a mask properly, to
Speaker 1: make sure you never touch the outside, to remove it
Speaker 1: and carefully and throw it out or wash it without
Speaker 1: ever touching the outside. And you know, that's why we've
Speaker 1: never recommended them in non medical settings, because even if
Speaker 1: they work sort of conceptually in sort of a lab test,
Speaker 1: we never had confidence that people would use them correctly
Speaker 1: in a way that actually could be beneficial. And I
Speaker 1: think that based on the data that I'm seeing, you know,
Speaker 1: it's sort of you could go either way on whether
Speaker 1: they work in idealized setting. There is a lot of
Speaker 1: lab data showing that they probably would be beneficial if
Speaker 1: they were used sort of perfectly, but in practice, I
Speaker 1: don't see any evidence that they've been beneficial at all.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's cherry picking that goes on. And
Speaker 1: the CDC had a couple of very low quality studies
Speaker 1: looking at Arizona and Kansas, where they essentially just cherry
Speaker 1: picked their end dates and their comparators and said, look,
Speaker 1: masks to the reason we saw a decline. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you look at kind of what's happened seasonally, you
Speaker 1: have essentially identical patterns in places with and without mask mandates,
Speaker 1: if they've got the same geography in the same sort
Speaker 1: of time of year, and so I don't think that
Speaker 1: they make a difference one way or the other. You
Speaker 1: could argue some have suggested they may actually be harmful.
Speaker 1: The reason that the normodic states have all avoided the
Speaker 1: mask mandates, you know, Sweden, Denmark, Norway and so forth,
Speaker 1: as they say, look, you know, the mask doesn't really
Speaker 1: do that much, especially the way a typical person handles
Speaker 1: it is not well trained, the way as a surgeon
Speaker 1: would be, and so forth. But if you tell people
Speaker 1: that the mask protects you, then suddenly they're going to
Speaker 1: stand right next to each other for prolonged periods of
Speaker 1: time with masks on, and they're going to think they
Speaker 1: don't need to keep their distance. And oh and I'm
Speaker 1: sure people have mild code. They might go out of
Speaker 1: the house even if they're feeling set because mask on
Speaker 1: and so the you know, a false belief that a
Speaker 1: mask will protect you might actually put you at more resk.
Speaker 1: This is what I've been saying you're gonna have people
Speaker 1: and say, well, maybe I got COVID, but my symptoms
Speaker 1: aren't that bad and I'm wearing a mask, so I'm
Speaker 1: good to go. It's like, no, this is a bad idea.
Speaker 1: There's a bad idea, but I could guarantee that's been
Speaker 1: happening all over the country, all over the world. Phil, Look,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that you're willing to take take a look
Speaker 1: at the data here on the numbers and come to
Speaker 1: conclusions that you know aren't right in line with the consensus.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is the brainwashing that has gone
Speaker 1: on on this issue is unlike anything else I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in my life. I just want to give you
Speaker 1: the last word. Yeah, I mean, probably the most frightening
Speaker 1: thing of the past year buck has been the extent
Speaker 1: to which people not only accepted all of these various
Speaker 1: arbitrary government decrees, but demanded them and welcomed them and
Speaker 1: cheered them on. And I think the extent to which
Speaker 1: a large portion of the public supports the heavy handed
Speaker 1: government policy response is probably the most frightening takeaway of
Speaker 1: this whole thing. And uh, you know, it means we
Speaker 1: could we could see this again every time there's a disease.
Speaker 1: So I am, I am concerned about that, and I
Speaker 1: share your uh, you know, I share your sentiments on that.
Speaker 1: Bill Kirpin, President of American Commitment, Phil really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Talk to you soon, all right, have a good one.