1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: there's Chuck, and this is short stuff. Dave's here, he says, hi, Um, 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: he's not really Harry. Jerry's here, she says, hi to 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: at any rate this short stuff. And I've just wasted 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: a terrible amount of time, that's right. And this, uh 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: episode makes me think of the great song pet Politics 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: by Silver Jews R I P. Dave Burman full stop. Okay. 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: Uh so it makes me think, Chuck, of animals that 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: have been elected to office, because that's what we're talking about. Yeah, 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: we are. It's there's apparently a long tradition, not just 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: in the United States, where it's surprisingly prevalent, but around 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: the world. People have elected animals to office, sometimes to 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: make a point, sometimes to raise money for the local whatever, um, 14 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: sometimes to insult people, usually other politicians. But there's like 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: a pretty lengthy history of it, there is. And it's 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: funny when you sent me the sources for this, uh photoors, 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: how do you pronounce that? I think you just said it. 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: Photors was one of them, and then I was like, 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: Reader's Digests has got to be one of these, and 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: sure enough, Reader's Digests was one of those sources. Yeah, totally. 21 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: Um so one of the one of the first UM 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: examples that came across as UM of a guy who 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: was a mayor. He was a human. His name was 24 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: Kenneth Simmons and he was the mayor of Milton Washington 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 1: back in night and he put up a donkey. Uh 26 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: he nominated a donkey as a committee committeeman, a precinct committeeman. 27 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: Uh too, I guess work with the donkey. And the 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: donkey's name was Boston Curtis. But the thing was, Milton 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: Washington didn't tell anybody that Boston Curtis was a donkey. 30 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: He just nominated him and added him to the ballot. 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: That's right. And this was clearly one of those cases 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: where someone was like, our constituents don't even do their 33 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: due diligence, they don't do their homework, they don't even care. 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: They would just assume vote for a donkey. Is how 35 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: the movie scene would go. And even though this mule 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: ran unopposed, I think it was a mule. Is that 37 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: there's a difference, right, Oh yeah, there is. Please God 38 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: tell me it wasn't a mule, because I've been saying donkey. 39 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: This whole time. Well, the photors says it was a mule. Okay, 40 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: I'll take it, I'll take the hit. Uh So the 41 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: mule did run unopposed. But still I think the point 42 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: was made that these the constituents still did not do 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: their due diligence, because it's not that they didn't think 44 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: he was gonna win because it was uncontested, but the 45 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: fact that it got so many votes clearly indicated that 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: no one was doing their homework, right. Yeah, I mean, 47 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: even if it is uncontested, if you know it's a donkey, 48 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: you don't just vote for the donkey, exactly, unless it's 49 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: possible that all those voters were like, yeah, I'm I'm tired, 50 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: I'm ready for a change. Yeah. So that's a pretty 51 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: good example. That's an unusual example. More often than not, 52 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: if an animal is elected to office, it is out 53 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: improud as an animal, you know what I mean, Like, um, 54 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: there's there's a there, like everybody's everyone knows that they're 55 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: voting for an animal, like there's And it usually takes 56 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: place in a town that's unincorporated, so there's not an 57 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: actual official mayoral position. And then usually they're trying to 58 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: raise money for that town. Yeah, and it works too. 59 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: It's a fun thing, so they will put up. Here's 60 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: an example in Michigan. In Omena, Michigan, there'll be seven 61 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: grand for their historical society. And this is just a 62 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: few years ago in uh when a cat named sweet Tart, 63 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: which I love, a great name for a cat, uh, 64 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: one as mayor and then they just filled up the 65 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: town's government with other pets. I think there was the 66 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: vice mayor was a puppy named Punkin Anderson Harder. Uh. 67 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: Special assistant for foul affairs was Penning the Chicken, and 68 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: then press it secretary was Harvey the Goat. Am sorry, 69 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: Harley the Goat. Hardly right, not hard that would not 70 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: have worked out, um so me and Michigan is actually 71 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: fairly uh um well known for that. Uh. And there's 72 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: another town that's pretty well known for it called rabbit Hash, Kentucky. 73 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: Let that one sink in for a second. And in 74 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: rabbit Hash they had a long standing mayor dog named 75 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: Lucy Lou who was mayored for eight years and then 76 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: I think Lucy Lou resigned or retired, I guess, not 77 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: resigned in disgrace or anything like Richard Nixon, but instead 78 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: said I'm going to go, you know, enjoy my retirement. 79 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: And so Lucy Lee was succeeded by a dog named Brenneth. 80 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: Paul Trow and Brenneth I found out or in on 81 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: a platform, Chuck of restoring the general store. It's a 82 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: pretty good platform in a town like rabbit Hash and 83 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: then quote to bring the yokels of rabbit Hash and 84 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: beyond plenty of peace and love and quote. I thought 85 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: the platform you were going to say was that they 86 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: ran on? Was usin together? All right? Man? You just 87 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: triggered me. Oh, I'm sorry. Thanks. Uh should we take 88 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: a break and talk about more of this silliness afterward? 89 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: I think so? All right, we'll be right back. So remember, 90 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: way back, probably a week or so ago, in the 91 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: a choir that escaped that explosion episode like five minutes 92 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: for us, and you said that you were glad there 93 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: wasn't some like dark part to the whole thing. Well, 94 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: this one does kind of have a dark part. And 95 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: we're about to enter. Yeah, this was believe you're probably 96 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: talking about Lahitas, Texas, uh and on a unincorporated town 97 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: and they have another symbolic cameral seat that they do 98 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: for animals, and this one involved, uh, I guess what 99 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: you would call it a dynasty, a family of goats. 100 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: The first one was Clay Henry, not Henry Clay elected 101 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: in nineteen six, and then Henry was and this is 102 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: all just like shameful. They fed Henry beer and I 103 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: was like, look, let's go drink beer and get like 104 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: wasted drunk. From accounts that I read, yeah, it said 105 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: like up to thirty five beers in a single day, 106 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: which you should not give an animal alcohol. This is 107 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: all very shameful. And uh, this animal, Clay Henry, lived 108 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: at the general store there where it would lap up 109 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: this beer, and was succeeded by Clay Henry Jr. Who 110 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: it looks like killed Clay Henry Sr. Yes, allege they 111 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: were both drunk, and Clay Henry Jr. Head budded Clay 112 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: Henry sor and killed him, oh my lord, and then 113 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: took over his mayor or was appointed mayor I guess 114 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: by the human who runs the general store by divine right, right. 115 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: And then there was a third two right, yeah, you 116 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: talk about the third alright, Clay. The third was also 117 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: a beer drinker, because these people in Texas just kept 118 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: giving these goats beer, not just any beer to lone 119 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: star beer, of course, it was uh. And this goat 120 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: was castrated by a local man who was upset that 121 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: the goat mayor was drinking on Sunday. And as I 122 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: was about to crawl out of my skin with anger, 123 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: I read the next line that this person did face 124 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: animal cruelty charges. Yes, so that's according to Roadside America. 125 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't couldn't find it anywhere else, but it's a 126 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: heck of a story either way, it is. And thank 127 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: you for putting that last part on me. Welcome. And 128 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: and then also another long tradition of animals becoming elected 129 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: to office, Chuck is uh to basically shame politicians, to 130 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: basically say, you stink, we think you're terrible. In animals 131 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: better than you and as a matter of fact, you know, 132 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: we think you're rats, so we're gonna elect a cat. 133 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: Or we think you're um uh lazy, so we're going 134 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: to elect a cat or you know, so on and 135 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: so forth. I'd say a sloth. But sure, yeah, so 136 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: that's kind of a tradition as well. Right, Yeah, there 137 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: was one actually happened in Mexico not too long ago 138 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: in uh, and they were upset about the rats in 139 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: the town. Are you know, rats in the political sense 140 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: and maybe rats period, who knows. And they elected a 141 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: cat named Morris, who was not orange tabby, but a 142 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: black and white cat named Morris a tuxedo, I guess. 143 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: And Morris was nominated for mayor of uh Lahappa Wapa 144 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: what Hallapa? I think it's Wahapa, probably Wallapa Hualapa. I 145 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: nailed it that last time. Uh. And then there was 146 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: a couple of students, and as you'll see with a 147 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: lot of these, sometimes it's the younger generation who would 148 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: do it as a joke, but then it caught on 149 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: on social media. This cat gets about a hundred and 150 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: fifty thousand likes on Facebook and then got seven thousand, 151 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: five d actual votes on election day, which in the 152 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: twenty one century, if you get the most votes on Facebook, 153 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: you automatically are elected to political office. Um. There's another cat, 154 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: this this one in Alaska was elected because he was 155 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: a write in. I believe the town's nine hundred residents 156 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: wrote him in even though there are humans on the ballot, 157 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: to basically just show their disgust that how bad the 158 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: human candidates were. And a similar thing also happened way 159 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: back in nineteen fifty nine and Sal Paulo, Brazil, where 160 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: there was a rhinoceros called Cacareco which means garbage. Um, 161 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: and he beat five hundred other city city council candidates, 162 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: garnering a hundred thousand votes, which is pretty pretty great 163 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: for a rhino, that's right. And then about ten years 164 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: later in Canada there was an actual rhinoceros party, um 165 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: and I don't know what's it literally inspired by the 166 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: Brazilian rhino. I couldn't tell. Okay, I could not tell, 167 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: but it's obviously a satirical political party. And the argument 168 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: that was being made was, uh, these they're perfect politicians 169 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: because their quote thick skin, slow moving, not too bright, 170 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: but can still move fast when in danger. Uh and 171 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: not not the rhino that you hear these days bandied 172 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: about an American politics, different kind of thing. What's the 173 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: rhino these days? Are a Republican in name only? Yeah? 174 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: Man I, As I was asking, I was like, shut up, Josh, 175 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: if you know this, that's dumb. There's another legendary one 176 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: too that I had not heard about. But when I 177 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: started researching, I was like, oh, this is a thing. 178 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: There was a pig called Pegasus the Immortal, that was 179 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: nominated as president for president by the Yippies back in 180 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty eight Democratic Convention, and that was an 181 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: enormously turbulent, brutal convention. It took place in Chicago. The 182 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: CPD showed up and beat everybody up every night, arrested 183 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: everybody for protesting the Vietnam War and all sorts of stuff. 184 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: Um and the Yippies where the Youth International Party UH 185 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: co founded by Abby Hoffman and eventually became the Chicago 186 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: Eight and then the Chicago Seven. So that whole jam, 187 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: and that's right, and then and then just Peter Satera 188 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: and then so in the midst of this crazy chaotic event, 189 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: this the Democratic Convention in Chicago in night, the Yippies 190 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: nominated Pigasus, and they brought this hundred forty five pound 191 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: pig to a press conference to dominate him, basically saying like, 192 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: we're just going with a will pick because all the 193 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: other politicians are pretend pigs were why why not just 194 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: elect a real pig this time? And they got about 195 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: half of that out into the microphone before the Chicago 196 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: police arrested him. For breathing in public and confiscated poor Pegasus. 197 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: They arrested a pig. Yeah, technically they confiscated it, but 198 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: we like to say it arrested the pig along with 199 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: the seven yippies that we're you know, protesting, and I 200 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: guess caring for this pig. And I believe that Pegasus 201 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: was handed over eventually to the Anti Cruelty Society and 202 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: the Yippies would go and visit and then was like, 203 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: you got a free Pegasus. I'm sorry Pegasus, and let 204 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: Pegasus fly, and they did so eventually in Pegasus if 205 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: you if you believe the story that you tell every 206 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: kid when you actually put an animal down, they went 207 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: to live on a farm outside the city for the 208 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: rest of its life. I saw in the Chicago Tribune, 209 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: so hopefully it was. Yeah, and then we really can't 210 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: talk about and was in politics if we don't talk 211 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: about the o g right, Caligula's horse, Yeah, what was 212 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: uh Insatatus? That's yeah, that's what I think too, all right, 213 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: So this was big Instatus. This is Caligula's favorite horse 214 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: and was appointed to serve as uh consul to the 215 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: Roman Senate and uh, but aren't people saying that, like, 216 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: this isn't true. Actually this didn't happen. Yeah, they think 217 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: that it was part of a smear campaign by some 218 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: of his contemporary or shortly after him, like political enemies, 219 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: who were smearing him, and they're saying that it's probably 220 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: like not true. But they also caveat that, which is 221 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: another kind of Roman thing um with the idea that 222 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: if Caligula did do that, he didn't do it because 223 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: he was mad or insane. He would have done it 224 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: as an act of humiliating the senators, saying like, my 225 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: horse is a better senator than you guys are, which 226 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: is sort of in the tradition we see today. Yeah, exactly, 227 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: it's a long standing tradition. I love it all the 228 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: way back to Roman times. Yeah, So get out there 229 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: and vote, everybody. Rock the vote by rocking your favorite 230 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: animal candidate next time you go to the polls. The 231 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: short Stuff is out. Stuff You Should Know is a 232 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. 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