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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, Chip A t G. Motherfucking ay, is.

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Speaker 2: It going to be another beautiful weekend here in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know. My world has been so crazy

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Speaker 1: this week that checking the weather has not been top

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Speaker 1: of my agenda.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, I love this time of year because

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Speaker 2: it's like you for coming out of winter, you forget that,

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Speaker 2: like you're gonna have nice weather at some point, you know,

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Speaker 2: and then you start waking up and it's nice every day,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, there's no way this is going to continue.

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Speaker 1: I wish that the listeners could see you talking about

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Speaker 1: weather right now. You're like, he has the biggest smile,

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Speaker 1: he's using his hand, he's very animated, very you seem happy,

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Speaker 1: joyous and free.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean because it's like now we can go

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Speaker 2: drink on patios and stuff. You know, there's nothing that's what. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and Wave Country opens, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Oh God, can you tell the listeners about if

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Speaker 1: you are new to this podcast and you have not

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Speaker 1: heard Chip talk about Wave Country, you obviously haven't listened

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Speaker 1: in summer, but it's about to be summer, so I

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Speaker 1: feel like you should give them some backstory because I'm

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Speaker 1: sure we will be hearing about it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So Wave Country is I don't even know when

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Speaker 2: it opened, like probably early eighties or something.

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Speaker 1: And so it's basically my age.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like older than Kelly Cool and it is

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Speaker 2: owned by the city and it's just a big wavepool

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Speaker 2: that's got a it's got four slides, five slides. One

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Speaker 2: of them is for children and you know if you

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Speaker 2: like swimming with band aids.

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Speaker 1: Like, so this is where you and I could not

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Speaker 1: be more different. Because Chip loves a water park, like

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Speaker 1: living his best life. He will go by himself. He's

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Speaker 1: the creepy guy in the wavepool by himself, right I am.

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Speaker 2: I I will just like lay on a float. And

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Speaker 2: you know they're often playing like Jack FM, and I

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Speaker 2: think that's a good enough like every every city as

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Speaker 2: Jack FM.

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Speaker 1: Now Jay does what kind of music?

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Speaker 2: Because it likes the best hits of today and yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Like it's just like kind of the best. It's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, like there's classic hits, but then there's modern

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Speaker 2: stuff too. There's songs that everyone knows, you know, like

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Speaker 2: any big karaoke.

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Speaker 1: Song is played on Did you want to give us

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Speaker 1: an example?

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Speaker 2: You know, like don't stop believing you stop, yeah, or

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Speaker 1: Of Mine, but then it will be background music.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I will go there by myself and sit

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Speaker 2: on a float and just stare up at the sun

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Speaker 2: and sing out loud to jack at them. And I

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Speaker 2: know everyone in the pool, including the lifeguards who are

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Speaker 2: sixteen and seventeen years old, right or like, who is

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Speaker 1: Do you feel Do you feel like in case of

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Speaker 1: could save you? No, that wave country, I just want

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Speaker 1: to detect so cool.

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Speaker 2: I mean they do have those like little floating torpedo things.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about those because I myself do not

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Speaker 2: Well, you know they use them at like on day Watch,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I can picture of Pamia Anderson running

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Speaker 1: Even the gay men love Pamela, who doesn't. I just

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Speaker 1: there's chlorine, so don't come at me about this, But

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Speaker 1: there's something about the wavepool that I find so disturbing.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you know, every single person in there

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Speaker 2: I think the reason why band aids are there is

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're onto something. Maybe that was what saved you.

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Speaker 2: Well I ended up having it, but never during the summer.

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Speaker 1: I'm about to rock your world with this transition. So

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Speaker 1: not responding to my text, I immediately know where he is.

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Speaker 1: Like that is the one place that Chip does not

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Speaker 2: Now I can't have my phone in the water.

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Speaker 1: Was that not good?

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Speaker 1: So today I know blind sided? Do So today I

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Speaker 2: And I was just going to say, and how do

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like it's because it's just going to

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Speaker 1: Well it's kind of interesting because I like, I don't yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it can or will or whatever

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Speaker 2: You're like, oh wow. Well, it's like we now live

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Speaker 1: Of course, because you know why, it's the lack of urgency.

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Speaker 1: And that was the main thing that you brought up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I mean, first of all, I would like

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Speaker 2: So we have work relationships, we have family relationships, we

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Speaker 2: And you know, like I do believe and even though

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Speaker 2: and it's like you can kind of see back and

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Speaker 2: And it's not just all these side texts that are

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Speaker 2: like I often like, I'm the same as you. At

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, I look at my email

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Speaker 1: Well, so that's work. But what were you gonna mention about.

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Speaker 1: What's your variation between work relationship?

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously it's when you're in a relationship like

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Speaker 2: remember thinking like it was a privilege to have someone's

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00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: cell phone number, like all the executives at our company,

436
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 2: like it was not in their signature. It was like

437
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: their assistance email or phone number, maybe their direct work

438
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: line and their email, and that was how you had

439
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: to communicate with these people because the cell phone was sacred.

440
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: It was like, you know, the bat phone to them,

441
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: and you weren't just running And even on business cards people,

442
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 2: we never put our cell phones on business cards.

443
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: It was just like emergency only are you're really close to.

444
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 2: And it meant it was really meant to be a

445
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: worked thing, Like it wasn't meant so that you could

446
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: like chat with your friends all day, right, and now

447
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 2: it's become like it is our lifeline to the world,

448
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: like we do everything with our phones. You know, in

449
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: some countries they only use Apple pay and Samsungay or

450
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 2: Google Pay or whatever. Like people don't even carry wallets anymore.

451
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: You know, remember when the text you had to do

452
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: the numbers and it was like he'd hit three, he

453
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: had hit one like three times to get to see

454
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: or something.

455
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nokia. But then it was like predictive text started

456
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: coming and I'm like, shit, I'm really on my phone.

457
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what you said earlier, you were like, we've

458
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 1: come so far yet is it the right thing? And

459
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: so I brought up the younger generations because I've been

460
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: experiencing frustration with texting with younger generations.

461
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: Yep. Well, well I didn't know if I was getting

462
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: ready to interrupt you if you were I, you know,

463
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 2: not to defend them, but also to defend them. Like

464
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 2: every fucking day someone myself included, thinks or says out loud,

465
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: I hate my fucking phone. I wish i could delete

466
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: it all and throw this thing away, or I'm moving

467
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: to a flip phone or whatever. And maybe they're actually

468
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 2: wising up and not and this is like their reaction

469
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: to that, and they're taking their lives back. Maybe it's

470
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: actually a good thing. We have just become accustomed to

471
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: that expectation. You know. Look, I think it is never

472
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: good to be a poor communicator. Okay, you know, like

473
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: you like, taking your life back. Is not like I

474
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: get to be a poor communicator because I'm taking my

475
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: life back. You can say I'll follow up in the morning,

476
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: like I'm I don't work at night, you know, or whatever.

477
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: It is, Like there is a way to communicate. I'm

478
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: not texting you right now, it's even.

479
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: If it's after Yeah, that there's like stances that makes

480
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: sense to me. But let me give an example. Okay,

481
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: So okay, first of all, just in general the younger generations.

482
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me because as much as our culture

483
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: seems built on urgency and accessibility, there is a lack

484
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: of urgency in the younger generations.

485
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 2: That's true.

486
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not saying this. I don't know,

487
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: like I don't think that we've necessarily created that healthiest culture.

488
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: I agree with that as well. And so you're right,

489
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: there are some things that are ingrained in me because

490
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: like what you said earlier about your earlier work experience,

491
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: that's how I've been taught to work too, And that's

492
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: how you kind of have to work in our business

493
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: if you want it, Like it's one of those jobs.

494
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 1: It's like if it was easy, everyone would be doing it.

495
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 1: So who's going to work the hardest and like keep

496
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, the hustle going and whatever, And that's usually

497
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: who succeeds. And so I think I'm shocked sometimes, like

498
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: when I have people working for me, or in this

499
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: specific instance, I was trying to hire someone to film

500
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: something for me, and a lot of the video people

501
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: that I know are on the road on the weekends

502
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: and it's on a Friday, so there, you know, they

503
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: were already outtown. So I'm getting references from people and

504
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: just all the things. And I was told to message

505
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: this one kid because I was like, is there anyone

506
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: like younger that's just trying to get started, because like

507
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: what I need is pretty straightforward and basic. And so

508
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: I was asking around on set one day and I

509
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: got this guy's he's like probably early twenties, and so

510
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: I texted him, and like it was the middle of

511
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: a work day. I didn't feel the need to call him,

512
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: like because that's how I've learned to communicate or whatever.

513
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: But I didn't hear back from him. So I text

514
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: the guy who gave me the referral and he was like, oh,

515
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: he does travels. It was like a Tuesday, though he

516
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: does travels sometimes work. Let me text him and check in,

517
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: and he like texts the guy and the guy writes

518
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: him back and says, yeah, I'm he was doing something,

519
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: but I don't really know what. They didn't tell me,

520
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: but it didn't get the sense that he was like

521
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: traveling or whatever. He responds to me the next day,

522
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: and I was so turned off because it was a

523
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: work Like it wasn't like I'm just texting you whatever,

524
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: but like I was texting about a work opportunity, and

525
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: also like I can't move forward or right. It kept

526
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: me having to like go through are you gonna be

527
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: able to do this? Like I have to cover my

528
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: ass and find someone so like and I just don't

529
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: understand it because when I was starting my career, I

530
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: mean I was like working for free. I was like,

531
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: get me on set, I'll be wherever I If someone

532
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 1: texts me about a job, I'm responding right away, Like

533
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: if you have a job opportunity for me, I am

534
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: there in too many. Like it's like I don't understand

535
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: not having that, Like it's so weird. But this is

536
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: not my first experience with this. That's what I'm saying.

537
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: So then when it came back in the next day

538
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: and was very nonchalant, like I still needed somebody actually

539
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: at that point, but I like went out of my

540
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: way to find someone else who responded in a timely

541
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: manner and had a little more urgency. But anyway, I

542
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: guess my point is just like I hear what you're saying,

543
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: and maybe they are taking their life back ish, but

544
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm also like, where's the line between like taking care

545
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: of responsibility, working hard, building something, especially if you're an entrepreneur,

546
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 1: and learning how to fucking communicate in business Because if

547
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: you can't fucking respond to a text of mine, I'm

548
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: not hiring you.

549
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, especially when it's like because this

550
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: example is like you are offering someone a job.

551
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: You tried to charge me a lot, and I was like, okay, bye,

552
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: bitch bye.

553
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah You're like, no, we good, Yeah, we good.

554
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: That was just on the cake.

555
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're like, yeah, it was really about.

556
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: The communication, because I'm just like, if you're not a

557
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: met to me, what that said was you're not reliable.

558
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to have to be waiting

559
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: on you to be there on time, because I don't

560
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: trust you now. And I also I'm like, what if

561
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: you got flaky the day of, Like it just produced

562
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: a lot of different feelings than me that I didn't

563
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: know that about that person, and I still don't know

564
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: that to be true about that person. But because of

565
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: the lack of urgency or or just communicating, hey, I'm

566
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: on set. Can I text you about this tomorrow for details? Right,

567
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: I would have been like, sure.

568
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: Great, and that is that's clear communication?

569
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. Yes. All I'm asking for averagehip is

570
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: clear communication, you know, because with men.

571
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: Jobs it all comes down to that.

572
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: And if you can't do basic communication, you're telling me

573
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: so much about you, that's it.

574
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: Anyway, it might it might be that you're just an

575
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: anxious person, and that's fine because you don't want an

576
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: anxious person.

577
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: And why did you also aspire this right now?

578
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying I'm saying you might. The non

579
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: response might just be that you're an anxious person and

580
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: you're like, I can't deal with two things at once.

581
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you're the anxious person.

582
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were calling me saying a.

583
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: Non response might be because someone's anxious about it. And

584
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: then you're like, I don't want to work with that

585
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: person any like if they're too high strung.

586
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's interesting because women are so good at

587
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: doing multiple things at a time, and I think men

588
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: are a little more laser focused on the one thing

589
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: they're doing. And so I feel like this creates a

590
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: really weird dynamic, especially with texting, because I hear so

591
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: many girls being like, well, they're like, well, he's at work,

592
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: but like, so what, I'm still like they're texting all

593
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: day every day, you know, and they're just so frustrated,

594
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, well he is at work, like

595
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: there are boundaries, but I hear what they're saying too,

596
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: of like he could say, hey, babe, like I'm at work,

597
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: and when I'm at work, like I can't respond right

598
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: away all the time or whatever.

599
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: It is like or double click of heart.

600
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah it ain't that hard.

601
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm alive, but my job is stressful, right, Yeah.

602
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: I think that's all so basically all that I'm asking

603
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: for here from this conversation to anyone listening who's feeling

604
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: me at all, or maybe feels the opposite, it's like

605
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: all that I think. I think that this problem could

606
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: be resolved, and I don't think texting is going anywhere,

607
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: so I think that we have to kind of consider

608
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: how to resolve these things. But I just think it's like,

609
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 1: think about what actually the person is asking of you,

610
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: Like I do think a lot of people get anxious

611
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: and overwhelmed and then they shut down because they're like

612
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to say, And it's like, are

613
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: they asking you to solve the problem though? Are they

614
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: just asking like a question And if you don't know

615
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: what to say, you could say, hey, I don't really

616
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: know what to say to that, or let me think

617
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: about this. Can I get back to you? Buy five

618
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: point thirty on Friday or something? You know, give a time,

619
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: give us specific But it's just like we have to

620
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: learn better basic communications because our culture is not slowing

621
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: down with the mass communication. Like it's almost like we've

622
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: built the technology, but our brains and our like emotional

623
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: intelligence has not grown yet, right match it.

624
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: I also think too, we need to put a little

625
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: onus on the first person who reaches out to Like

626
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: if something is urgent, you should say that. You should

627
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: say urgent all caps, or like hey, sorry to bother

628
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: you sorry to bother you at night, but I need

629
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: to get this done, or hey, I'm sorry, I'm just

630
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: like reaching out out of the blue like I'm in

631
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: a pickle or whatever it is, so that it says

632
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: like I need a response, like you can't sit around

633
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: on this, or like I know you're at work, I'm

634
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: dying to know this, or yeah, whatever it is. You

635
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: can't just be like, hey, do you want to get

636
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: dinner tonight and expect someone to think that like you

637
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: urgently need that answer.

638
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: But you know what's worse is because texting you can't

639
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: hear tones. The person could be like crying, they're having

640
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: a terrible day, and they're like, hey, you want to

641
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: get dinner tonight, and then you don't respond and you're

642
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: but so it's like, okay, so.

643
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: Now I know you really feel you.

644
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you just internalize it. You never you

645
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: think they hate you whatever it is, and it's like, okay, Well,

646
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,239
Speaker 1: if you had started the text of saying, hey, I'm

647
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: having a really hard day, is there a chance that

648
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: you're available for dinner? I could really use a friend

649
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: or something. But it's like we also are so many

650
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: humans don't want to actually communicate the truth about what

651
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: they're feeling or they're not aware of what they're feeling.

652
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: So it's like again goes back to Okay, get in

653
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: touch with what's actually happening for you and then just

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Speaker 1: be honest. Like people respond so much better to that

655
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: than I think you would think they do. Like, Yes,

656
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: that has been something I've learned in the last three

657
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: years and it's genuinely changed my entire life to just

658
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: shoot people straight kindly, but like just be straight up, like, Hey,

659
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm super overwhelmed right now, Like this is big for

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00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: me in dating. It's just like I'm super overwhelmed right now.

661
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 1: I am really interested in meeting you. This is just

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00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: not a good time for me or something like it's

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Speaker 1: just like I'm not trying to blow you up. Just

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Speaker 1: say the fucking truth. It doesn't have to be so

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00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: complex and difficult, right, you know.

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Speaker 2: I I'm so like averse to I don't I'm not

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00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: I don't like conflicts, so I try to yes this,

668
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: and so it's when I have to give even if

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Speaker 2: it's like I'm not even it's not a fight, like

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00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: if I have to give someone a bad bad news

671
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: or I'm like, you know, just saying no, like I have.

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00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: I hate it, but there is nothing better. There's no

673
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: better feeling than when you just fucking rip the band.

674
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Speaker 2: They'd often do it because you're just it frees you

675
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: of the anxiety of having to do it.

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Speaker 1: By the build up of doing it, putting it off,

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00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: it has to be so much worse. I don't relate

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00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: to that, so it's hard. But I just I know

679
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: the times where I've had the anticipation of stuff is

680
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: really the thing that's making me crazy versus the actual

681
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: experience or whatever, conversation or whatever. Yeah, so like the

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00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: build up. But then oh I had a thought and

683
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: I lost it. It was going to be so epic, y'all,

684
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: like so epic and so good. I don't know. It

685
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: was about the avoiding conflict. Oh, what I was going

686
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: to say is I also in one of my relationships

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00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: recently that was like a big thing. And he didn't

688
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: he didn't feel good about conflict ever, very much like

689
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: you like just a kind soul, but like would try

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00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: to avoid conflict, and so that created probab in our

691
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: relationship though, because I'm like, if you just communicate with me,

692
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna fight with you. Were good, Yeah,

693
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: don't communicate with me, and I have to guess that

694
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: is when I get pissed off, and that is what

695
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: that produces conflict, because I'm just like making up all

696
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: these stories in my head about what's happening by your behavior,

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00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: and if you just told me what was happening, it

698
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't really be an issue, you know, And so I

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00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: just think it creates actually more problems to not communicate.

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00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: And if people are responding poorly to your honest truth,

701
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: especially if you say it in a kind way, do

702
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: you really want those relationships in your life anyway?

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00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, the people who are good and will respect you, right.

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00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: I guess it's where it gets gray. Is like when

705
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: it's family or your boss or you know, a work thing.

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00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: It's someone that you're like doing business with that you

707
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 2: don't even really know. That's when it really gets harry.

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00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: It's like when you're dealing with someone like I don't

709
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: know this fucking person, you know, Like, yeah, so you

710
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: don't even know what to expect. But totally, I mean,

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00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: I think it all boils down to like we should

712
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: all just sort of respect each other. We should respect

713
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: each other's privacy, we should expect each other's work life balance.

714
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: We should respect each other's time, and we should respectfully

715
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: respond to people in whatever way is the most respectful way.

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Speaker 1: Like well it's also but maybe want to say, like

717
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: respect the way that our cold. Like I don't know

718
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: that this is changing, you know, I mean, do you

719
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: take care of you? But like there have been that's

720
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: like basically saying like I wish the internet would go away,

721
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: and maybe it all will, I don't know, but as

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00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: of right now, it doesn't seem like that. So leaning

723
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Speaker 1: in a little more to maybe having I don't know,

724
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: kinder etiquette. I feel like we're like we're like the

725
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: texting police today.

726
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: If we're like old people now or like I feel

727
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: that you guys, you have to respond.

728
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: It's rude.

729
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: You know what the rudest thing is is to start responding.

730
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: I mean this is for only Apple users, Like you

731
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: start respawning so the person you see the bubbles and

732
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: then you stop.

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00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: Nothing will make me crazier. I literally all your bubbles.

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Speaker 2: You know what's fucked up is I have a gift

735
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: of that. So I can send someone that gift and

736
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: it just looks like I'm typing and so I'm gonna

737
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: send it to you. Right now, so you have a.

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Speaker 1: Great buck with my head. Anyway, I'm curious what you

739
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: guys think about this. Are you a person who feels

740
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: obligated to text at all times? Are we missing the

741
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: mark here by being so available all the time. Do

742
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: you think it'll change in our culture? Or are you

743
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: the person who's like, bitch, I'm not available all the time,

744
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: and I have boundaries around it, and I have some

745
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 1: things to say to what you said. You can email

746
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: us at the edge at velvetedge dot com or I

747
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: would love to hear this via voicemail. You can check

748
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: out the voicemail on my Instagram page and the link

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00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: in bio. Also, oh sorry, I'm at Velvet's Edge. Chip

750
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: also put it in his bio and one day we're

751
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: going to get him to start posting about the podcast too.

752
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: I'm so bad at promoting myself, but you can follow

753
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: me and not see any post because I rarely post.

754
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: At Chip doors it's Chip d R s c H.

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00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: You sold yourself and then you took it back because

756
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: you were like, you can follow me, except I never posed.

757
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: You can't do it. Story.

758
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: I post stories more than in feed.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, as you guys, go into the weekend and

760
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: Chip works on promoting himself. I hope that you are

761
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: living on the edge.

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Speaker 2: And well, fuck you don't act casual when Kelly texts you.

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Speaker 1: If I text you, you better not be acting fucking casual. Okay,

764
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: So I'm just kidding you. Guys can act as casual

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Speaker 1: as you want because it's the weekend, all right. As

766
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: you guys go into the weekend and you're living on

767
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: the edge, I hope you always remember too act casual.

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Speaker 1: Bye Bye,