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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney alongside

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Speaker 1: my co host Matt Miller. Every business day we bring

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Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot com. Slash podcast twenty gained in the SMP.

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Speaker 1: What a year. So what do we do now? In

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Speaker 1: we all reset and think about where the opportunities are.

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Speaker 1: Let's check in with Phil Plumbo. He's a founder, CEO

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Speaker 1: and ce IO of Plumbo Wealth Management. Phil, what are

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Speaker 1: you telling your clients about this year where the opportunities are?

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Speaker 1: So the bubble has clearly burst in the most aggressive

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Speaker 1: part of the technology sector, and so I would stay

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Speaker 1: away from that area in particular, and by boring quality stocks.

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Speaker 1: As we think about two thousand twenty two, it's all

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Speaker 1: in the backdrop the feeder reserve. How inflation is going

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Speaker 1: to continue to be a problem. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: they're just recognizing it now. It's going to continue your

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Speaker 1: problem in two thousand twenty two, which means he's gonna

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Speaker 1: have to continue to be hawkish, and that type of

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Speaker 1: environment that means rates will climb higher. When rates climb higher,

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Speaker 1: it put a lot of pressure on technology stock, especially

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Speaker 1: the most high overvalued parts of the technology sector that

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about for a while now, because their

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Speaker 1: long duration assets and their cash flows that people are

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Speaker 1: paying for. And in a arroging and straight environment, you

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Speaker 1: see a shift towards financials outperforming energy commodities in goals.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to step in here because you

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Speaker 1: had a pretty interesting comment at the top where you

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Speaker 1: said the tech bubble is popping. What was that happening

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Speaker 1: in the last three days that you really started to

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Speaker 1: see the unwind of that? Was it the FED meeting

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Speaker 1: than we thought. When did you start to see this unraveling?

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Speaker 1: Remember markets are always for we're looking, So since the

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Speaker 1: Sumber fifteen, when the FED started to get more hawk ish,

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Speaker 1: you really started to see some of these high flyers

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Speaker 1: argue that the bubble started really last year and it's

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Speaker 1: continuing right now, and that's not going to settle in

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Speaker 1: until really the FED settles in in terms of where

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Speaker 1: that they've been talking about at some point this year, Phil,

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Speaker 1: how do you think about inflation out there? It's real.

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Speaker 1: Whether you you see it at the gas pump or

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Speaker 1: you see it at the supermarket, it's real. How do

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Speaker 1: you think about it? It's always been real. What people

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Speaker 1: have to understand is that when you shut the whole

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Speaker 1: and you restart everything, and then you have multiple variants

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Speaker 1: that are that are occurring as we're seeing, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna create an issue with supplied constraints

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Speaker 1: like we've seen, and and then with all the money

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Speaker 1: to create inflation. We know that because if you look

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Speaker 1: and endurable non durable goods in twenty one, and all

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Speaker 1: doesn't go away in a year or two. We haven't

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Speaker 1: even more hawkish. And as you mentioned earlier, that means

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Speaker 1: rates are rising. And I know a one seventy three

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Speaker 1: Timing bonds and interest rates is very difficult to do.

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Speaker 1: So it's not a question of time ago when to

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Speaker 1: Phil on the equity side here, um sticking with kind

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Speaker 1: now is, as I said before, market's a forward looking

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Speaker 1: so O macron. It seems like it's going to settle

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Speaker 1: obviously financials make more money. That's the bottom line. It's

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Speaker 1: So I like that trade. And I also like energy

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Speaker 1: I like the rebound and global economy and energy. So

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Speaker 1: He did stints at Ubs and Morgan Stanley and Maryland,

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Speaker 1: so he's been doing uh this investment game for a

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Speaker 1: really focusing on that reopen trade, which once again is

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Speaker 1: We do that with Katie Nixon. She's a c i

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Speaker 1: much for taking a time to chat with us. Hear,

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Speaker 1: what was your takeaway from those Fed minutes yesterday? Thanks Paul,

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Speaker 1: nice to be here. And I think you nailed it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it pulled forward expectations for the

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Speaker 1: previous years it was almost two years before the rate

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Speaker 1: balance sheet. Taylor, You're so right. And one of the

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Speaker 1: one of our themes this year was that the the

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Speaker 1: quantitative tightening into two really does change that because that

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Speaker 1: that will have to be absorbed UM. And perhaps UH,

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Speaker 1: you know, interest rates will be the mechanism through which

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Speaker 1: buying bonds again. So I think it does really change things.

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Speaker 1: a sort of reversion to mediocrity. So we do anticipate

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Speaker 1: So it's good news for investors that growth and inflation

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Speaker 1: equities still the place to be. Yeah, equities are still

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Speaker 1: the place to be. Tailor. The fundamentals are very strong.

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Speaker 1: We anticipate sort of mid to high single digit earnings

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Speaker 1: so perhaps we see a little bit of give back

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Speaker 1: of very very high returns. Absolutely, and Katie, I think

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Speaker 1: one of the things that equity investors are trying to

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Speaker 1: those growth names that have been so good to me

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Speaker 1: stick with the cyclical trade. They're kind of a reopening trade,

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Speaker 1: what's the next catalyst going to be the past few

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Speaker 1: therefore it's harder to drive that price. I remember a

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Speaker 1: big chunk of Amazon is a retailer, and that's a

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Speaker 1: very different multiple than hwork. You're exactly right, all right, Barry.

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Speaker 1: Ridholt's wealth management as well. He's a founder there. They

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