WEBVTT - Fleet Week Is Here… And Charlotte Is Feeling Flashy with Mark Deklin... (S5 E1 "Anchors Away") 

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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<v Speaker 1>you a Charlotte?

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<v Speaker 2>You guys, this is exciting. This is when we get

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<v Speaker 2>to have a really interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Actor, Ron who was in an episode in two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and two.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's where it aired. We probably filmed it

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and two.

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<v Speaker 4>Why and we actually shot it. It was the first

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<v Speaker 4>episode you guys shot after nine to eleven happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Got it?

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<v Speaker 4>We can talk more about. But yes, it was significant,

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<v Speaker 4>like there was a vibe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, absolutely, this is Mark Declan. Everybody, he's great, he's here.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so excited. He is the longest resume in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>But really, and I'm not going to name everything, but

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<v Speaker 3>he was a very important part. He was a sailor

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<v Speaker 3>in the fleet week episode called Anchors Away, which did

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<v Speaker 3>air in two thousand and two but filmed in two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and one. So take me back, tell me about

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<v Speaker 3>the Let's talk about nine to eleven first.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I mean, well, you know, I mean for anybody,

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<v Speaker 4>any New Yorkers, right, we know what it felt like

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<v Speaker 4>and it wasn't obviously it was sad and tragic and scary,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was it was also beautiful. Remember that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>Like there was sense of like we're all in this together.

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<v Speaker 4>People were friendlier, more helpful, kinder. It was like a

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful time to be in New York. Yeah. In fact,

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<v Speaker 4>I was in LA the day it happened. All my

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<v Speaker 4>LA friends were like, oh, thank god you weren't there,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like, no, I feel weird. I should

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<v Speaker 4>be there. Absolutely, not like I can do anything, but

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<v Speaker 4>just like like it's like, my I have a sick

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<v Speaker 4>relative in the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>I should visit, right, So how did you get back?

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<v Speaker 2>What were you?

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<v Speaker 4>So? I had just Yeah, I had just been I

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<v Speaker 4>had just actually moved to LA. I had let my

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<v Speaker 4>apartment in New York go and I got an offer

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<v Speaker 4>to do a Broadway show and I turned it down.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, no, I've committed to LA for now.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to stick with this. Two days later, September eleventh,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, So I called back and said, is the

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<v Speaker 4>job still available? I want to come home? So I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it?

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<v Speaker 4>So? It was the Lion King.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, amazing you were in the Lion care

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<v Speaker 3>one of my most favorite life is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so great.

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<v Speaker 4>It was fun. It was I mean, that's that's a

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<v Speaker 4>whole other experience to talk about. Actually, story from our

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<v Speaker 4>episode that I'll share with.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh listen, I need all the funny stories from this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I just remember this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I had forgotten that it was the first one back,

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<v Speaker 3>but that makes perfect sense because I think that we

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<v Speaker 3>as a production really felt so strongly obviously we love

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<v Speaker 3>the city, as we all know, it's the fifth character,

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<v Speaker 3>et cetera. And it was such a such a trauma

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<v Speaker 3>and such a you know, everyone was going through a

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<v Speaker 3>collective trauma, the whole country obviously, but definitely the city,

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody was pitching in and they were all everyone

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<v Speaker 3>had a story and everybody was doing different things to contribute,

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<v Speaker 3>and we felt as a show.

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<v Speaker 2>Like our job was to get back at it, to

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate the city, to like show that.

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<v Speaker 3>We were okay, yeah, you know, like it was super

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<v Speaker 3>important to get back out there.

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<v Speaker 4>And that love letter to the city that your show

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<v Speaker 4>always was came through so clearly in this episode, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, obviously Carrie talks about, you know, like your

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<v Speaker 4>boyfriend the city.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, Yeah, it's it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>It's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think anybody who has a place in their

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<v Speaker 4>heart for New York was really touched by.

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<v Speaker 3>That, absolutely absolutely, And I feel like for Michael, he's

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<v Speaker 3>trying to think of, well, what's a fun way to

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<v Speaker 3>like he everything needs to be like have the depth

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<v Speaker 3>that also be fun, and Fleet Week is such a.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect funny, crazy weird thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I also remember, and I don't know why I hadn't

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<v Speaker 3>placed this in my mind and that it was the

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<v Speaker 3>first show back, but it makes perfect sense. I just

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<v Speaker 3>remember that it was hard. There were hard things about

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<v Speaker 3>this show. Like I remember standing on the island in

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<v Speaker 3>Times Square because we could only start shooting at ten

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<v Speaker 3>o'clock at night because because of the because we were

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<v Speaker 3>trying to film in Times Square, right, you know, bonkers, right,

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<v Speaker 3>like insane amounts of people, cars, whatever, and we're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to shut down things, you know, as much as you can.

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<v Speaker 3>And so they would only let us come at ten

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<v Speaker 3>am ten pm. So we would start at ten pm

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<v Speaker 3>and we would go all night long.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was like hard. Yeah, that's what I remember.

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<v Speaker 3>And they got his rooms in the w Hotel, which

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<v Speaker 3>is right there, right there, and we just I felt

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<v Speaker 3>like we lived there for a week, like I felt

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<v Speaker 3>like we were just there.

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<v Speaker 2>We all got the CDs.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember how the w has like the party in the lobby.

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<v Speaker 3>We had the CDs, like I could play all those songs.

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<v Speaker 3>They take me right back to that time.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's such a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It was great, but it was also hard. There was

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<v Speaker 2>hard emotional.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like I feel you really yeah, and laughing

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<v Speaker 4>because I remember that shot of the four of you

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<v Speaker 4>right before you guys shove SYNTHI next to the cab

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<v Speaker 4>right yes, And there's there's an extra behind you, guys,

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<v Speaker 4>a background player who apparently got the note don't look

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<v Speaker 4>at the camera. Oh no, So he's literally doing this

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<v Speaker 4>the whole time, like the whole time, but he's right

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<v Speaker 4>behind you, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Or maybe he thinks he's looking at the view right sure,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe he thinks he has a team of you.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a tourist. That is adorable. I'm going to look

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<v Speaker 2>back and look at that. You'll see it.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes when I, yeah, I feel so bad because the

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<v Speaker 3>background people when they're in a big, big, big scene,

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it's hard.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a naturalness to do it so many times. And

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<v Speaker 3>if I remember that we had to do that for

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<v Speaker 3>a long time, then you know we had to do

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<v Speaker 3>that a really long time. But I feel like we

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<v Speaker 3>just stood on that street corner for just like I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, maybe twelve hours.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I'm wrong, but that's what I remember.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's like all night long. I think that's the

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<v Speaker 4>thing a lot of people don't get is like how

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<v Speaker 4>often it's a slog, right. And I'm not saying oh boo,

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<v Speaker 4>who poor me? No, of course, but you know, you

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<v Speaker 4>get this glamour shot. You guys looked gorgeous. It looked gorgeous,

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<v Speaker 4>but getting there.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a slog, right, And I think it was cold

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<v Speaker 2>really well because it's the.

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<v Speaker 3>First episode back, and usually we'd start in February so

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<v Speaker 3>that it could come on in June.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that right, Let's see, let's see you.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean you probably know better than I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I funny my memory, well my memory which leads to

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<v Speaker 4>my funny story story. But mine involved a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>sweat and oh I'll tell you why. But so in

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<v Speaker 4>my mind we shot in summer, but maybe we didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think it looks like summer, because that's

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<v Speaker 3>the whole, the whole point, right, But I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>it was because we had to It aired July twenty first.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, So we couldn't have shot it in the summer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's also interesting because usually we would come

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<v Speaker 3>on in June. But I think everything is messed up

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<v Speaker 3>because also this is the year. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>this is related to nine to eleven. I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was related to the Sopranos schedule because they started messing

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<v Speaker 3>their schedule up. Cause sure, he wanted to write longer,

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<v Speaker 3>so they took a little half of our episode of

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<v Speaker 3>our season before and put it on in the winter.

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<v Speaker 4>Got yeah, yeah, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they pushed our air date for the summer back

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<v Speaker 3>to July twenty one, which is kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the end of the summer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think everything goes haywire at this point and

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<v Speaker 3>time in our collective lives.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, Yeah, to go ahead, you're sweat?

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<v Speaker 2>What sweat? It couldn't even hot, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>No, So okay, So I was and I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 4>weren't aware of this drama because you had bigger fish

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<v Speaker 4>to fry, and I didn't want you to be aware

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<v Speaker 4>of this, Okay. So we shot our scene on a Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 4>which is Mattinee Day on body So I had to

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<v Speaker 4>use one of my sick days to do our show,

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<v Speaker 4>which is fine. We did that all the time, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Like we used to say, don't waste your sick day

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<v Speaker 4>being sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>So fine, and I made no secret of it. My

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<v Speaker 4>stage manager was my friend. She was happy for me.

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<v Speaker 4>And we had a whole string of talented understudies who

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<v Speaker 4>could go on in my place. I wasn't putting the

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<v Speaker 4>show in any danger except Murphy's Law came to town.

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<v Speaker 4>So I report to Sex and the City. I think

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<v Speaker 4>we were on forty seventh Street. Does that sound right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>something like that. So I'm in my trailer getting ready.

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<v Speaker 4>Unknown to me, all hell's breaking whose back at my theater.

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<v Speaker 4>Understudies are dropping like flies. Oh no, one gets sick,

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<v Speaker 4>one gets hurt, one has to go on for somebody

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<v Speaker 4>else who got sick or hurt, and so on. So

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<v Speaker 4>we're down to the last guy who can go on

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<v Speaker 4>in my place. So talented guy. He's in hair and makeup.

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<v Speaker 4>As he's leaving, he turns to say thank you, as

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<v Speaker 4>one should, and I guess in the act of turning

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<v Speaker 4>while walking, he tripped. Oh no, fell on the steps, twisted.

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<v Speaker 4>His anchor couldn't go on. What So now, if I

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<v Speaker 4>don't go on.

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<v Speaker 2>The show's on the day of you filming with us.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sitting in my trailer City Oh, and I get

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<v Speaker 4>a call from my stage manager saying, you have to

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<v Speaker 4>come to the matinee and I said, no, I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm about to shoot my scene. She said, I know,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm so sorry, but I know that you're able

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<v Speaker 4>to do the show, and I have to protect the

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<v Speaker 4>show because if you don't go on, the show won't

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<v Speaker 4>go on, so you will probably get fired. You could

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<v Speaker 4>even get sued. So I went, yeah, hold on a second,

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<v Speaker 4>I put my phone down. I literally opened the door

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<v Speaker 4>of my trailer and vomited on forty seven So, like,

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<v Speaker 4>just no joke, like literally just that. So I shut

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<v Speaker 4>the door. I was like, Okay, I have to figure

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<v Speaker 4>this out. So I found Charles McDougall, who directed her,

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<v Speaker 4>and understandably he was not happy with me, right, but

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<v Speaker 4>he was cool and he kept his head and he

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<v Speaker 4>looked at the schedule and he said, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 4>in luck because we're shooting everything in the same location today.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm gonna switch the scene order. You're gonna run down,

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<v Speaker 4>you're gonna do your matinee. The minute the curtain drops,

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<v Speaker 4>you're gonna sprint back up here and shoot our scene.

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<v Speaker 4>What So, yeah, you didn't know any of this, no,

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<v Speaker 4>So I go, oh, thank you so much, thank you,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you. Think I run down, I do the show.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is actually one of my favorite showbiz memories

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<v Speaker 4>because I guess word got around the theater of my situation.

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<v Speaker 4>So when I took my bow and came into the wings,

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<v Speaker 4>there was this NASCAR pit crew of like twenty people

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<v Speaker 4>all there to like help me get ready. So literally,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in the wings and someone's pulling my wig off

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<v Speaker 4>and the Bobby's beings out. Well, so they're pulling my gosh,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm off, they're putting my street clothes on. They're wiping

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<v Speaker 4>my makeup off. Wow, And I sprint right and I

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<v Speaker 4>run up and I and I show up to your

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<v Speaker 4>hair and makeup, and God bless them. So they're under

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<v Speaker 4>the gun, right, They've got to have me camera ready

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<v Speaker 4>in a couple of minutes. Oh my, it's like triage. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, stage makeup doesn't just wipe off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's some thick stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I'm like half of it's still on and dripping.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm dripping with sweat because I spra into the whole

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<v Speaker 4>way and they made an executive decision. They were like,

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<v Speaker 4>we can't restore you and start from scratch. So they

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<v Speaker 4>made the decision to to just paint a layer of

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<v Speaker 4>television makeup on top of the mess. What. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>they're so good that they made it. You didn't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody knew, but I knew when I watched the episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I laugh because it's not my skin. It's I'm

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<v Speaker 4>like a wax dummy of myself in the episode. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Incredible. Yeah, So then just curiosity. Were they ready for

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<v Speaker 3>you or did you have to wait?

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<v Speaker 4>Because right and as you know, we do a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of waiting. It was no, no, I went right in

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<v Speaker 4>like you and I jumped right in and and then

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<v Speaker 4>I had to switch gears because this wasn't my moment,

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<v Speaker 4>this was your moment. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, I was not that happy about it. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I did.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, So I'll address that, because you know, you

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<v Speaker 4>were you. First of all, you were lovely. You were

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<v Speaker 4>one of my favorite people I've worked with. You were

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<v Speaker 4>gracious and I'm not just saying that because I'm on

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<v Speaker 4>your podcast, but I remember, so I knew, like because

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<v Speaker 4>we've all had to do some form of undress, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think people think that like, oh, actors there, they

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<v Speaker 4>have no shyness. They know it's very vulnerable and you

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<v Speaker 4>feel very exposed, punintended. And so I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I have responsibility. Kristen's gonna feel uncomfortable. Yeah, well, it's

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<v Speaker 4>just real, right, And and we didn't know one another.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not like we were old friends from school, so

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<v Speaker 4>it was like I was a complete stranger. So I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, Okay, I have to find this balance of

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<v Speaker 4>like I want her to know that I'm not some

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<v Speaker 4>creep who's ogling her, but at the same time, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a heterosexual man. And ge, you look great, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean, sweet balancing act And I just wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to be there for you and make you feel And

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<v Speaker 4>so the moment I knew that it was okay is

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<v Speaker 4>you were nervous. The first two takes you were understandably

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<v Speaker 4>very nervous. But I think the third or fourth take

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<v Speaker 4>you turned to me and asked me. You probably don't

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<v Speaker 4>remember this, You asked me if you had any bra

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<v Speaker 4>lines on your boobs. And that was the moment when

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<v Speaker 4>I said, I've done my job.

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<v Speaker 2>She's come about so funny. That's so terrific.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so funny the crazy things you worry about, like

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<v Speaker 3>brawl lines.

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<v Speaker 2>I cracked myself up, like on.

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<v Speaker 4>Earth, I know, but it's totally real. I know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just so like, you know what, people have a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of thoughts and feelings about intimacy supervisors whatever. They're

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<v Speaker 3>called intimacy coaches, coordinators. Thank you, I knew there's a word.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing that nowadays I would ask an intimacy coordinator,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, because they're like your eyes, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>It's such a different world after me too, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think for the better. But there there were you know

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<v Speaker 4>there it's such a weird thing scenes. So one of

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<v Speaker 4>the ways we always dealt with it was to make

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<v Speaker 4>a joke of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 4>If you can't, I look back. If you can't, right,

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<v Speaker 4>that's just I look back and like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>did a series where the woman played my wife. We

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<v Speaker 4>were having a sex scene and we were just we

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<v Speaker 4>were buddies and we were just saying the most inappropriate

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<v Speaker 4>things to one another just to crack each other up

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<v Speaker 4>and threw up. Yeah, you couldn't do that. Today they

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<v Speaker 4>put up the blooperss reel and I was like, oh

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<v Speaker 4>my god, I'd get fired for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they put it on the Bloopers reel.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because oh god, yeah, oh yeah, oh my, did

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<v Speaker 4>you buy the DVD of that series? Like you'll see wow?

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<v Speaker 4>And it's actually it's funny. Well that's lighthearted, right, but still.

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<v Speaker 3>It would still not be okay with hr. Right, that's

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<v Speaker 3>really interesting to think about. I mean, the thing that

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<v Speaker 3>I think is interesting and.

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<v Speaker 2>There is like a whole court case. I believe it

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<v Speaker 2>was friends.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a potential court case about them kind of

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<v Speaker 3>making jokes in the writer's room.

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<v Speaker 2>But because you know, there's a whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>About like if your show or your writing is if

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<v Speaker 3>this is part of the show and the writing of

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<v Speaker 3>the job, that there is a certain amount of leeway

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I don't know if that would go for on set, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean like now when you go to work,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a one eight hundred number on your call sheet

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<v Speaker 3>that you can call if you're uncomfortable, and people call,

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<v Speaker 3>which is interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 4>It's interesting because it's many things, right, Like I think

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes it's really legitimate, right, and it's a call. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we've all been in those situations. I've been

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<v Speaker 4>in situations where I was like, this isn't how it's done.

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<v Speaker 4>There's there's a protocol here that you're not following. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you feel that way as an actor or did

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<v Speaker 3>you feel worried about the women or was it directed

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<v Speaker 3>at you?

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's directed at me. I'm gonna be careful what

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<v Speaker 4>I know because I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I'm just so curious about the man experience.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's it's lovely that you ask about that, because

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<v Speaker 4>in the moment the men in the show I was,

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<v Speaker 4>I was in I was as the script was being

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<v Speaker 4>handed out. I said, they said, oh you're cool with nunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, oh?

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<v Speaker 4>And I went casual like that, oh lord, And I said,

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<v Speaker 4>have you spoken to my agent?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's not Yeah, there's no.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I held my guns and helped to my guns.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, Amy, you know, I held my ground sure.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was interesting because the guys in the show

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<v Speaker 4>were all like, dud, just do it, just show your

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<v Speaker 4>ass who cares and or whatever it was, and and

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<v Speaker 4>the women were all very sympathetic. They were all like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>you stand your ground. So, and that's because they've been

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<v Speaker 4>put in that situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I feel like agency is key, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're choosing to do it, yes, if you're being pushed.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not okay, it's not okay.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not for anyone. No, no, I agree totally. So

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<v Speaker 3>did it work out?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it all worked out.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to call your agent.

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<v Speaker 4>No conversations happened, but it's fine. It all, it all

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<v Speaker 4>worked out.

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<v Speaker 3>It was also supposed to be like contractual agreements, that's

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<v Speaker 3>just it.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know the contracts are funny. Yeah, it'll be

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<v Speaker 4>like like we'll show one quarter of an ass, cheek

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>The right rest is very specific. It's so hard, like

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<v Speaker 2>nudity for some reason is so hard.

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<v Speaker 4>It's vulnerable, it really really is. It's like, yeah, and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean this was a flash, right, like I flashed my

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<v Speaker 3>breast at you.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not even it was just one as we negotiated.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly right, exactly. But I remember there were people like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're in a restaurant. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean it wasn't even like a sex scene

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<v Speaker 3>where they can close the sun.

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<v Speaker 4>And they did have us cordoned off of it.

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<v Speaker 3>They tried, right, But I mean there were people in

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<v Speaker 3>a restaurant, right, and I was just like flat, like

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<v Speaker 3>it was bizarre, and I just remembered like my body

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to do it, like I had to force myself.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel all that you did. Yeah, I was so

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<v Speaker 4>like I was. I was, I so felt you, and

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<v Speaker 4>I was like trying to send you all.

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<v Speaker 3>The that it may it matter so much in the moment, right,

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<v Speaker 3>because like you're you're just doing something that you know

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<v Speaker 3>you have to do, but you're not organically feeling it.

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<v Speaker 3>And as an actress, right, Like, let's see, we were

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<v Speaker 3>in a sex scene, which that's a different ball of ACXE.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a different situation, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Even more awkward and even more weird than.

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<v Speaker 3>Weird because you're simulating sex but you're not having sex.

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<v Speaker 3>But then also you can usually joke through it, like

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<v Speaker 3>you're saying, like, that's a really common thing that actors do, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and hopefully you have a vibe with each other where

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<v Speaker 3>you can trust each other and make it fun and

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<v Speaker 3>funny or.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally laughing at yourselves.

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<v Speaker 3>But we were separated, physically separated, so I didn't even

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't really rely on you, like I could you

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<v Speaker 3>were contributing in a positive way.

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<v Speaker 4>But the beginning, yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't like we were in an intimate, intimate scene, right,

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<v Speaker 3>which in some ways would make it better, meaning like

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes when you're being kind of silly, it's better. But

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why that day, I just didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to do it, Like I still feel that way talking

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<v Speaker 3>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I didn't want to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>But then if I can just separate myself from my

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<v Speaker 3>own anxiety, I look back and I'm like, what is

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<v Speaker 3>my problem? It's adorable and I'm young and beautiful and

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<v Speaker 3>what is my problem?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like old now? And I should feel that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I still feel the anxiety when I think about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel you, isn't that weird?

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting? Is it not?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay? Oh, it's human okay, And we're not. We're actors.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not exhibitionists.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true some of us are. No, But I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's a misconception, I think.

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<v Speaker 4>A big miscuss. Yes, I think I think just the

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<v Speaker 4>misconception that all actors are extroverts.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, we're not respect You're not.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not either. I'm I'm gregarious. I like people. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't have social anxiety. But I'm an introvert. I recharge

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<v Speaker 4>my batteries alone, like and you know, I'm not like

0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.000
<v Speaker 4>love me, love me love you know. We'll have a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit of that, but for sure, but that's not

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<v Speaker 4>that's not my go to place.

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<v Speaker 2>No me neither.

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<v Speaker 3>And I do think it's a really interesting thing and

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<v Speaker 3>definitely like that weird. I think social media has fed

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<v Speaker 3>the thing of like, oh, you all knew you wanted this, ye.

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<v Speaker 4>You chased it right.

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<v Speaker 3>No, for us, especially because we're not twenty, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it was a different world that we thought we were

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<v Speaker 3>getting into, and it was like about.

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<v Speaker 2>Acting and theater and not about fame, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, a friend of mine years ago said, we

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<v Speaker 4>also deal with fame in some way. But there are

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<v Speaker 4>two types of actors. There are those who see fame

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<v Speaker 4>as the prop and those who see fame as the price.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. That's true for all of us.

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<v Speaker 3>We never even I don't even think any of us,

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<v Speaker 3>including Sarahjosca, ever thought about it, and then all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden, there we were in it, and we were

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<v Speaker 3>like whoa, whoa, mama, Well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, did you know, like when you joined the show,

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<v Speaker 4>We're like, this is going to be a cultural phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, of course not no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>We thought it was going to be a tiny little

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<v Speaker 3>cult thing if it went well.

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<v Speaker 4>If it went well, you're lucky, it'll be a cult thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, if we're lucky, we'll get to keep doing it

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<v Speaker 3>and it will have enough of a little audience that

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<v Speaker 3>we will get to continue.

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<v Speaker 2>And we did, we did.

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<v Speaker 4>It's funny. I was thinking on the way over here

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<v Speaker 4>about I was doing a series where I was playing

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<v Speaker 4>a closeted gay guy and someone we hadn't aired yet,

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<v Speaker 4>and some interviewer asked me, so are you Is your

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<v Speaker 4>character like fabulous you get all the funny zingers and

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<v Speaker 4>one liners. And I said no, no, no, And I

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<v Speaker 4>gave this sort of long thoughtful answer about like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not like because he's in the closet, so he's

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<v Speaker 4>not like out and fabulous, right, he's actually like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>kind of butching it up or whatever. Yeah, exactly, yea.

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<v Speaker 4>And I said, so, no, I don't get to do

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<v Speaker 4>like that that fun brilliant thing that like Eric stone

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<v Speaker 4>Street gets to do on Modern Family, or you know

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<v Speaker 4>that that Sean Hayes gets to do on Will and

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<v Speaker 4>grace like, I'm not I'm not like that, and those

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<v Speaker 4>guys do that so brilliantly, and that's you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>I give and my answer was very complimentary to them

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<v Speaker 4>because they're both fantastic actors and I know Sean well

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<v Speaker 4>sure enough. Oh no, yeah, that all that long thoughtful

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<v Speaker 4>answer gets taken, gets boiled down to one sentence, which

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<v Speaker 4>is literally they quoted me as saying, I'm not playing

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<v Speaker 4>a stereotype. I'm not Sean Hayes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, are you That is not what I

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<v Speaker 4>and so like fashionately, Sean and I have a mutual,

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<v Speaker 4>very dear friend and I was able to get in

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<v Speaker 4>touch with him and he was like, oh, don't worry

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<v Speaker 4>about it. I know they do that all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't give it a second thought.

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<v Speaker 3>But I thought, awful, you know what I think is

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<v Speaker 3>interesting about that too, And I feel like it's the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing of like you count when if you

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<v Speaker 3>give a really long answer that's thoughtful, they can edit

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<v Speaker 3>it down, which is then why you go like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I've got to give a short sound bite that cannot

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<v Speaker 3>be misconstrued. Then people get upset when they see your interview,

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<v Speaker 3>like why does she give such short answers? She needs

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<v Speaker 3>to be more thoughtful, and you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Just trying to exactly exactly right. They're like, he got

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<v Speaker 2>media training whatever, God forbid, you know which, I've never

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<v Speaker 2>had media training training.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know who is getting media trading.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody is, someone is, but I don't know who, right,

0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:35.040
<v Speaker 3>It's all of us just got thrown in and by example. Right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let's talk just for a second. I know, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>loving this conversation in general, but I want to just

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<v Speaker 3>talk a little bit about where were you in your

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<v Speaker 3>career when this happened.

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<v Speaker 2>You were on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously you had just moved to LA and then you

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<v Speaker 3>come back, But like, what what was it like for.

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<v Speaker 2>You being on the show. What do you remember around

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<v Speaker 2>the show?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, so at that point the show was already a hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, this is season four? Yeah? So wait season five,

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<v Speaker 2>season five? Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, and I had auditioned for other parts before that.

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't got many of our I mean every New

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<v Speaker 2>York stressful?

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<v Speaker 4>Was what stressful? The audition process?

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<v Speaker 2>The process?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, so you were just like it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>work out. I'm going to keep going.

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<v Speaker 4>Not I didn't feel like, oh, Sex and the City

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<v Speaker 4>is going to work out, right. I just felt like

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<v Speaker 4>I auditioned a lot, something like I'm auditioning for this,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm auditioning for this commercial and this, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and uh and and but I remember it being a

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<v Speaker 4>very pleasant audition and it wasn't grueling or long, and

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<v Speaker 4>I felt good about it. But you know, uh so

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<v Speaker 4>when I booked it, I was really happy. And I

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<v Speaker 4>had just at the same time, I mean, my TV

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<v Speaker 4>career hadn't really taken off yet, but I had just

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<v Speaker 4>done a FedEx commercial with Steve Carell.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>And It's funny because so I had two very small

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<v Speaker 4>things that I started getting recognized for. One was this

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<v Speaker 4>FedEx guy. So one more, I was living on in

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<v Speaker 4>Theipper West Side and I had ordered me tickage and

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<v Speaker 4>it was early I think I was partying the night

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<v Speaker 4>before and I answered the door and I'm bleary eyed

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<v Speaker 4>and this I'm signing for the package. And the guy

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<v Speaker 4>looks at me goes, hey, you're the fed Ex guy.

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<v Speaker 4>And I looked up. I said, no, man, you're the

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<v Speaker 4>fat guy. And we started laughing. And then same thing,

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<v Speaker 4>like I you know, obviously this Sailor wasn't a huge role,

0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:25.359
<v Speaker 4>but it was sort of an iconic moment, and to

0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:27.520
<v Speaker 4>this day people will be like, no, way, you know

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<v Speaker 4>you're the sailor or.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>They'll say, show me your tits, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>How what do you say?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't show them my tits.

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<v Speaker 2>And probably a good thing. Probably a good thing, So

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<v Speaker 2>don't go round flash.

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<v Speaker 4>And before me too, I would have but not really, no,

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<v Speaker 4>not really no. And my kids roll their eyes. They

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<v Speaker 4>hate when people recognize me.

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Mind you too, It's good, it's healthy.

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<v Speaker 4>They should hate it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting, right right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And I always I try to be like sensitive to that.

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<v Speaker 2>We too, so do I.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a no picture rule when the kids around,

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<v Speaker 3>and I feel so guilty about it.

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<v Speaker 4>No, you shouldn't feel guilty. I'm no.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just I don't want them to feel

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<v Speaker 3>like that. The other work thing matters more.

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<v Speaker 4>You want them to have a normal life.

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<v Speaker 2>I did as much as I can, So go ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead. I don't so.

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<v Speaker 3>So you had the FedEx thing, which is crazy it

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<v Speaker 3>love it.

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<v Speaker 4>And uh so, yeah, but this was this was the first,

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<v Speaker 4>the first TV thing that I started really getting recognized.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it? Because you feel good.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure you.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>I love to hear other people's experience, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, as an analogy, I'm going to tell you a story.

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<v Speaker 4>I was doing a series with John Voight years ago,

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<v Speaker 4>and he played my father and we, you know, we

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<v Speaker 4>had a funny relationship. Politically we're not on the same team. Yeah,

0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.679
<v Speaker 4>he's character, but he's got a good heart. And we

0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:55.800
<v Speaker 4>became friends and I actually, I really love I have

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 4>a place in my heart for John. I love. But

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<v Speaker 4>and we would debate politics and it was we had

0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 4>a great respectful you know. But once one time he

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<v Speaker 4>and I were walking through the Dallas Airport together and

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<v Speaker 4>he couldn't go five feet without someone? Can I have

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<v Speaker 4>a picture? Can I have an autograph?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 4>So he did. I'll never forget this, Christen. It was

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<v Speaker 4>like a conductor, he said. I said. I said, does

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<v Speaker 4>it bother you? And he said no, I'm used to it.

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 4>He said, you want a little taste. That said, what

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<v Speaker 4>do you mean? So this woman started walking toward us

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<v Speaker 4>with her phone out, her camera whatever it was, and

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<v Speaker 4>without missing a beat, he reached out, took the camera

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<v Speaker 4>from her hands and said, of course you can have

0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:32.440
<v Speaker 4>a picture with Mark Declan, and I saw her wheels going,

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<v Speaker 4>like the hell is Mark Declan. She had no clue,

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<v Speaker 4>but then I saw her decide I do want a

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:40.400
<v Speaker 4>picture with him, right because he must be important. Wow,

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.480
<v Speaker 4>So now she's hugging up on me. John is the photographer.

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 4>I see someone else go, I don't know who that is,

0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 4>but I need a picture. Yeah, And within five minutes,

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm being mobbed. I can hear buzz, literally buzz, people

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 4>going Mark Declan's in the airport. Oh my god, it's

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 4>Mark Declan. They had no clue who I was. Interesting,

0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 4>And it went on for about five minutes and then

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 4>John said if he had another and I was like, yeah,

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:03.439
<v Speaker 4>it's kind of weird. So he turned the camera back

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 4>on himself and I was forgotten instantly, like I never existed.

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<v Speaker 2>That's super interesting, but it was a great.

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<v Speaker 4>Lesson in how smoke and mirrors it is. Yeah, right, yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if that answers your question.

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 2>No, it's really interesting.

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:16.400
<v Speaker 4>It's a weird thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So you've had this incredible career with like everyone and

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<v Speaker 3>their brother, which is super interesting to me. But take

0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:25.720
<v Speaker 3>me back again, because I'm trying to place like was our.

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 2>Show and you're on a Broadway play. It's like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you feel the momentum Was it like the momentum

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:33.439
<v Speaker 3>was picking up in your career?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, definitely, because because I had you know, I was

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<v Speaker 4>a theater kid, right, Like I was Shakespeare, Like that

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:41.639
<v Speaker 4>was really what I was mostly doing. And then I

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<v Speaker 4>was doing a lot of off Broadway and regional and

0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:47.680
<v Speaker 4>I was dabbling in film and TV. But I didn't

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 4>really have a TV and film career, but things I

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:52.920
<v Speaker 4>had started going to La more and more and working

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 4>in La more and more, and so that's why I

0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:59.160
<v Speaker 4>had made the move, but it hadn't really gotten traction yet.

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<v Speaker 4>And this was right around the time when I started

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 4>to get traction and I started to Yeah, I started

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 4>to feel like it's an interesting thing, right because these

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:08.920
<v Speaker 4>past few years, our industry has been in a weird place.

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, it's a mess.

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 4>It's a hot mess, and it's a mess, and we're

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 4>all having to get creative about all right, what else

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.120
<v Speaker 4>do I do? How do I make a little dough?

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 2>It's so sad. It makes me so sad.

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:22.199
<v Speaker 4>I mean, we could have a whole podcast about that. Yeah,

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 4>crew members who aren't.

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 2>There there was an apprenticeship.

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 4>Right, like young young crew members coming up in the

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 4>industry would would train with master older guys. That's just

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 4>not happening anymore.

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, because there's not enough work for everybody.

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.439
<v Speaker 3>So, you know, I know, it's it's hard to know,

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 3>how are the young people going to learn all the things?

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean, It's just a different world.

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 3>But also the thing that really stresses me, and I

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.120
<v Speaker 3>don't know how much this is true in New York

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 3>in LA. The people who are the you know, crew

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 3>people that we would normally just like have such a

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:54.320
<v Speaker 3>wonderful picture.

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 4>And work with them on many different projects, they're.

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 2>All leaving town because there's no production. It's horrible.

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 4>It's the saddest thing. And so so getting that sense

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 4>like back in those days, yeah, you could get traction,

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:08.880
<v Speaker 4>you could get a sense of like I'm not where

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 4>I want to be yet, but I feel a trajectory,

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 4>I feel momentum. The industry the gross industry term was heat, right,

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 4>like you got heat right now? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:21.119
<v Speaker 4>but you don't it's hard to feel that these days.

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:22.199
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I don't know.

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know because I'm obviously in a different position, thankfully,

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 3>but also like you're just for me. I'm always trying

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:30.239
<v Speaker 3>to figure out, like what do I want to do

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:34.120
<v Speaker 3>that makes me happy, because happiness is important, Whereas when

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 3>you're young, you're just like hungry, hungry. I just felt

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 3>hungry for anything.

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 2>At that point. I had no kids.

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 4>I was like whatever, and well, of course you change everything.

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does.

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but so take me back again for you because

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm so curious. So okay, so you've got the FedEx thing.

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:49.960
<v Speaker 2>You come do our show. People want you to flush

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 2>flash your breast, but you're your breast, my breast. I

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but you know what I mean.

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 4>They're like when you said the same thing, She's like,

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 4>you were on Sex in the City and you took

0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 4>your shirt off for Charlotte and I said, no, she

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 4>took her shirt off for me.

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's funny. Why were you talking to Wendy Williams

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Because I was.

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 4>Doing a series at the time. This is like in

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 4>these years later.

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Was on her show.

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, not personally and said, okay, god, we're having dinner

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 4>as we on No, no, no, I was doing a

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 4>series in twenty twelve or something, and I was on

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 4>her show Got It, but she was like, I remember

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 4>you from Sex and the City.

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 5>Wow, Wow wow.

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 3>So and then you've been on so many shows like Frasier,

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Love Frasier, My god, do you feel I was on

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 3>some other sitcoms before and during kind of Sex and State,

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 3>like I want to friends whatever. I felt like I

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 3>learned so much being on all the different sets, because

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 3>they're so so.

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 4>Different, so different, and you want like, you know, it's funny.

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 4>We just lost James Brooks, right, and so said I

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 4>did a pilot with him, and you know people called

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 4>him the comedy doctor. Yeah, and it's true. There was

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 4>a moment in our pilot. I'll never forget this. I

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 4>wasn't It wasn't my scene we were shooting. It was

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 4>Seth Green, and I forget who he was in the

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 4>scene with. But as he was talking, he was folding laudry.

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 4>It took a place at a laudamat and and he

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 4>wasn't getting to laugh. He wasn't landing the joke. But

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 4>you know he's a that's a funny guy. Yeah, but

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.479
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't landing. And Jimmy just got up and he said, oh,

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 4>it's because you're folding the towel the wrong way. Oh,

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 4>and Seth went what and he said, yeah, you're folding

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 4>it this way. You need to fold it this way.

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the man could a crazy Oh come on, no, no, no,

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 3>And then he did it.

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 4>He furled the towel the other way, and the audience

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 4>went nuts.

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 3>It was insane, insane. It was insane, imane. Will and

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 3>Grace with him, and I was dying of nerves. I'm

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 3>a nervous thing.

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, Like I look back, I'm like, why am I

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 2>so nervous all the time? But we Yeah, can we

0:30:58.080 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>just say that, like totally.

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 4>I know so few people who really are that's a.

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Good point, like okay, and confident, right.

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 4>Like I have. I have things about me that I'm

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 4>that I'm confident.

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 3>But we're all nervous, I know, right, and for me,

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 3>and it's hard because I you know, obviously criticize myself

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 3>for it, but also I'm nervous because I really want

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 3>to be good and I want to contribute to whatever

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing, which of course I feel like it's good

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 3>or I wouldn't be doing it, you know what I'm saying,

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 3>Like it comes from a place that's good, that you

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 3>want to have, right, Like you want that excitement, you.

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 4>Want to be a team player, contribute to the team.

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and I will and Grace.

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:36.959
<v Speaker 3>It's such a great, great show, right, and you know

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to be a part of it. But also

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 3>sitcoms for me were meaning traditional three camera sitcoms, right,

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 3>which we were not. They like to say that Sex

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 3>and City is a sitcom, it's not really as a.

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:46.959
<v Speaker 4>Comp it's a comedy.

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's a single camera comedy, yes, which is a

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 3>little different.

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 4>It's a different animal.

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:54.239
<v Speaker 3>It's a different animal as an actor, for sure. So

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 3>this was you know, a traditional you know, multicam.

0:31:57.120 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 4>Which we don't get enough of these days.

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 2>I know they need to come back. There was a

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 2>moment in time where they were like they're coming back,

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 2>They're coming back. But anyway, so I go on the show.

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 3>I knew Jimmy, I knew Eric, I knew Debora, I

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 3>knew everybody, right, and Bobby Canavale was playing my gay

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 3>best friend.

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 2>We were like, uh, you know, weird couple.

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 3>That was because he was dating his character was dating

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Eric's character, right, So it was it was I knew everybody,

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 3>which was great, but yet the the actual physical element

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 3>of walking out. You're doing this show. It's like a

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 3>theater kind of but yeah, they're laughing, right, so so

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 3>you're you're in this weird thing. But then they're filming,

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 3>so like, I didn't know they would do this thing more.

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 3>When I walked out, everyone would clap for so long

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 3>that I would just be like, I don't.

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 4>Know what the sorry. Before Sex and the City, I

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 4>feel like, like, were you already, Kristen.

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was. I was. I feel like it.

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Might have been after Okay, I feel like, yeah, which

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 3>was adorable and so sweet, but I didn't know because

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 3>it's going to ruin the joke right, like the next joke,

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 3>like timing and everything exactly.

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 6>And Jimmy was there, and Jimmy, you know, that man

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 6>could just make you unbelievable feel I mean a wizard

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 6>and a genius and a sweetheart sweet I mean just

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 6>so supportive, you know. And he he told me a

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 6>couple of things like like I think at one point

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 6>he told me to count to five in my head

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 6>before I delivered some line. And every time if you

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 6>did exactly what that man said, you would get the

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 6>biggest laugh you'd ever Doe music. It was insane, like

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 6>his knowledge, his way of talking to you, like I

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 6>don't it's so crazy, and we're so lucky to have

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 6>had him and to have gotten to work with him,

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 6>and you know, he's somewhere shining down on us.

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 2>You know. He was such a sweet sweet Did you

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>watch the Comeback?

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 4>I didn't.

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 3>He's in it, he's playing I know, I need so

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 3>many credible.

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 4>Especially with the whole AI thing that's happening, like so

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 4>many people have been like, if you watch the I've.

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 3>Got to see it's so good. Michael Patrick and Lisa

0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 3>did just a tremendous job. And the fact that Jimmy's

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 3>there playing himself and I didn't know that he was sick.

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of us didn't know that he

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 3>was sick.

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 2>So it's because he.

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 4>Wasn't the kind of guy who'd be like.

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no no no.

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 3>But he is just lovely to see him and he's

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 3>himself but and so sweet, and he gives this beautiful

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 3>ending talk to Lisa's character about AI, and it's it's great.

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 3>It's so great, and I love that Michael created that

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 3>so that we have it, you know, on film.

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:24.520
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, back to your career.

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 4>Michael's writing.

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Michael back to that.

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 4>Too, because did he write this episode. He did write this.

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's actually splash.

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 4>The dubbing thing. We welcome back to this. But you well, you.

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Know, I don't know.

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 4>Well, do you remember when when it was TBS that

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 4>acquired the show, right, yes, and so we all had

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 4>to go back into the recording studio and re record

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 4>our lines to dub out the profanity.

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 2>You had to do this too, of course, everybody wow,

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:56.800
<v Speaker 2>And so.

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 4>I remember, and this is what this is what uh,

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 4>this is what Kim and I were laughing about a

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 4>couple years ago because in this episode stop you were

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 4>on I was on with Kim Cattrell Netflix on Netflix.

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 2>It got it many many years later.

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 4>Many years later. It was in twenty twenty.

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Two, got it, got it, got it?

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So in this episode, you guys have that scene

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 4>in the diner where she's trying to say pussy, but

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 4>you guys don't want to say in front of the baby.

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 4>Well Charlotte doesn't, right, Yes, yes, I don't know if

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:25.879
<v Speaker 4>carry yeah, maybe maybe they didn't care as much.

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 2>They didn't look like that.

0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:29.359
<v Speaker 4>One of you comes up and obviously this is Michael

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 4>Pater King's writing, you come up with soush ye, which

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.839
<v Speaker 4>is very clever phonetically right, because the words are kind

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 4>of similar, right. And so what Kim and I were

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 4>laughing about was I didn't get so lucky when I

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 4>had to go in and dub my line. My famous

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 4>line was show me your tits, and they of course

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 4>change it to boobs. And if you think about the

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:51.759
<v Speaker 4>mouth shape, those two words are nothing like.

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Also, isn't that weird? Though? That one's okay? And when

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 2>is it like what?

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:58.879
<v Speaker 4>Of course it's random and arbitrary, but you know, I'm

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 4>pretty good in the booth like lip sync. I can

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.479
<v Speaker 4>tell you I could not make that work.

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, no one could. I'm sorry.

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 4>No one watching it will ever believe that sailor said

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 4>show me your boobs, but I.

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Do think and not everyone listening is going to remember this.

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 3>So basically, so the show was on HBO and we

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 3>could say whatever we wanted and that was part of

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 3>the whole joy of it. Then when we end, TBS

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.279
<v Speaker 3>gets it, everyone just remembers it on eat right, they

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 3>don't even remember that TBS like did things like this.

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 3>So TBS, who's also in the Warner Brothers. You know,

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 3>TV World syndicates it, but we had to clean it up,

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:37.400
<v Speaker 3>and I think whole storylines were cut, Like you remember that,

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 3>it was like very so I had one line.

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure you guys must have been in the booth.

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.839
<v Speaker 3>For but I think what had happened back in the day,

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.280
<v Speaker 3>and I totally could be wrong. I would love someone

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:48.799
<v Speaker 3>to fill me in on this. I remember going and

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:53.720
<v Speaker 3>looping stuff as it was happening, just in case someday

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 3>we might get syndicated.

0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 4>Do you mean that was forethoughts?

0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:00.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I don't know if we really could have

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 3>imagined that it would be what it is, right, So

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know for sure, and I just remember its

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 3>going like how is this going to work?

0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Whatever? But also we're so happy because we got paid more,

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:08.879
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm.

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 4>Saying, paid more and you get a wider audience, like

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 4>it's right, which I.

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Don't think we really. Yeah, I mean, nothing's wrong with it.

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 2>I think the only thing wrong with.

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 3>It would be like does the show hold up because

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 3>we weren't making the show for that, right.

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:23.240
<v Speaker 4>Well, the show's called Sex and the City exactly.

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Right, right, So what sad sad version is going to

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:28.320
<v Speaker 3>be on TVs, and I do think it was exactly.

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 3>I think it was kind of sad, but then E

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 3>gets it as things are loosening up, I guess, and

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 3>I think E also it was like dubbed, meaning some

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 3>of the words, and then I think some of the

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 3>storylines still weren't on in it. And then time goes

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 3>on and eventually Netflix gets it as it originally was,

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 3>which is kind of amazing. And now, sadly, like last week,

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 3>it's off Netflix, I know, and it's only on HBO

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 3>that I know of, because I think that we're in

0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 3>this crazy holding pattern, not knowing if the merger is

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 3>going to happen, and so I don't know what the

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 3>plan is. No one really tells us what the plan is,

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 3>which is kind of frustrating.

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 4>Because does anybody tell us what any of the plans are?

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 3>Never?

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 2>It's so hard and there are.

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.400
<v Speaker 4>I mean, at the DJ right now, they're fast tracking

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:19.760
<v Speaker 4>some mergers that probably violate antitrust laws, but they're sliding

0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 4>them through.

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 2>So I know. But all of the states are going

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 2>to sue.

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 3>They're suing, right, So it's a whole big fight about

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 3>Paramount Brothers, and I just want HBO.

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 2>To be okay. That's where I care about. I care

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:32.400
<v Speaker 2>about HBO being okay.

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 3>And I want people to be making shows at making

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:36.919
<v Speaker 3>movies so all of us can work and the crew

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 3>can get paid.

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean, Right, that's what we all want. Yeah, yeah, I.

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:45.959
<v Speaker 4>Mean I posted something during the strike and I was like, look,

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:49.880
<v Speaker 4>I know there's a perception that reactors are spoiled brats

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 4>and we're all rich, and it's not true, and we

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 4>all want to get back to work. Nobody's happy that

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:57.279
<v Speaker 4>we're on strike, and nobody's happy with the current state

0:38:57.280 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 4>of the industry. We all want to get back to work.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think AI is just a huge, huge threat,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is the one good thing that I think

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<v Speaker 3>happened from the strike was people becoming more aware of

0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:10.799
<v Speaker 3>the kind of existential right. But do you remember they

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<v Speaker 3>almost settled the strike early, Yes, and they said, oh,

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 3>we're not going to negotiate AI now, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>hold it till later.

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<v Speaker 4>H No, were you personally aware of what a threat

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 4>it was at that point, because it wasn't. No, like

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:23.799
<v Speaker 4>like I was aware of it. I was like, I

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 4>was like, oh, yeah, that could be a threat, right,

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 4>but it was not during the strike, Yeah, because it

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 4>was an ancillary issue, and all of a sudden, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what it was? They one of the contracts they

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<v Speaker 4>brought back. The language was essentially, I'm badly paraphrasing, but

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 4>it was essentially like, if you work for us, we

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<v Speaker 4>own your image in perpetuity and.

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<v Speaker 3>We can do whatever we want to do with that.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the moment a studio. Right then you would

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:48.400
<v Speaker 3>all of your your self would be gone because they

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 3>would have it and they could pull it out whenever

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 3>they wanted, and you were insane.

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<v Speaker 2>It's insane, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>So now, the last job I did in Toronto that

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.839
<v Speaker 3>I was telling you about, there's a whole addendum, like

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<v Speaker 3>an added on contra about the AI.

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<v Speaker 2>But then what was great in.

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<v Speaker 3>This particular job, which I'm probably not supposed to talk about,

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<v Speaker 3>but we so you had to sign the thing and

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 3>I was so scared. It was the first time I've

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 3>had to sign it. And the lawyer's involved, and luckily

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 3>because our union negotiated all this stuff, there's a lot

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.319
<v Speaker 3>of things that SAG negotiated that are like controls and

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, controlling the situation. Right, So I signed the

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 3>thing but I'm still really nervous about it. And I

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 3>get to the set and the special effects director is there,

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:27.399
<v Speaker 3>and I said, what are we doing? Are we doing

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<v Speaker 3>the AI? Because I had to sign this very scary document.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, absolutely not. I do not believe in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything was practical, yes, wow.

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Well special effects practical right, So special effects but practical

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 2>not AI.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 3>So the artists, the special effects artists that we're doing

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 3>their work because we also want them to continue to

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:49.759
<v Speaker 3>have a job, right.

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 4>And it's it's about more of the job security. It

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 4>is about that, right. But it like I would say,

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:56.800
<v Speaker 4>look at look at like the Lord of the Rings

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<v Speaker 4>movies versus the Hobbit movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, big.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean there are a number of differences why one

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 4>worked and one didn't. But one of the big ones

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:09.240
<v Speaker 4>that the Hobbit relied so much on digital technology, whereas

0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 4>Lord of the Rings it was all practical, right, Like

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 4>they were making glassware, Gondrian glassware, and they were there

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.320
<v Speaker 4>were there were there was chain mail under tunics that

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:22.479
<v Speaker 4>you never saw, but you felt it. Yeah. Bernard Hill

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:26.239
<v Speaker 4>talked about who played Theodore when they brought him his breastplate.

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:32.279
<v Speaker 4>The designers had made a whole heraldic story inside the

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 4>breastplate of the history of his ancestors. Incredible that no

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:38.319
<v Speaker 4>one ever saw. Bernard Hill said, when I saw that

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 4>coming toward me, that was the moment that I became

0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:42.400
<v Speaker 4>theodoin Wow, Like it just did it for me.

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 2>That's some deep lore.

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah and deep right, And.

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I can peek out and I can tell very impressed.

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<v Speaker 4>But as a film lover, yes, I'm also a token lover.

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 4>But but aside from that, as a film lover, I

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:01.280
<v Speaker 4>love when you can feel the depth of yeah, yeah,

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 4>craft and.

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:06.279
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, And I think that's something where because of what

0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 3>we were talking about earlier, we were trained for theater,

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 3>as I was.

0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I though I don't get to.

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:12.799
<v Speaker 3>Use it very often, but whatever, I mean, I'm using it,

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 3>but not the whole thing, right, because like we.

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Have training and then we use like a little section.

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 3>But that's okay because that's what we love, right, and

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 3>that's what we wanted to do. So we were like,

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:29.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, slaving ourselves a way to learn like voice movement,

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:34.439
<v Speaker 3>like you also did fight choreography. Incredible do you still

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 3>do it?

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<v Speaker 4>Like how? Yeah, it's funny. I fell into it a

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:42.359
<v Speaker 4>little bit by accident, but it's you know, we were

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 4>talking on the elevator about it being a small world.

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:46.919
<v Speaker 4>So one of my favorite gigs was I when Kevin

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 4>Klein did sirr no Oh incredible. I choreographed this sword.

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<v Speaker 3>Fi Daniel Sinjatas in this episode he's the other sailor.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's a great guy. And he was also in

0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:59.800
<v Speaker 4>Uh oh, my god. I love it with Jennifer Garner,

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 4>and it was an incredible experion. But I fell into

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 4>it like I had trained, you know, I had I

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 4>had conservatory classical training, and you know, I'm an athlete,

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:12.000
<v Speaker 4>like I was pretty good at that sort of thing.

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 4>And so I certified with the Society of American Fight

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.320
<v Speaker 4>Director and I was off in the Fight Captain and

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:22.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, like I was. I would play Timbolton, that

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 4>would and I was doing a production of Romeo and

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:30.479
<v Speaker 4>Juliet and Terrence Man, big Broadway star and God bless

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:32.520
<v Speaker 4>him for this. He so I was playing Tibolt and

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 4>I was the fight Captain and then we went to

0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:37.120
<v Speaker 4>the next incarnation of that show. He said, I want

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 4>you to take over the fights, and I want you

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 4>to make it bigger and better. And I said Terry,

0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:43.279
<v Speaker 4>I'm not a fight director. He said you are, and

0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 4>it was like it was great, so and then I

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 4>kind of got a reputation for being good at it.

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:50.439
<v Speaker 4>A girl I was dating at the time was doing

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:52.840
<v Speaker 4>a pre Broadway workshop and there was a moment where

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 4>there was a moment of violence that happened, and Nick

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 4>kit Enner, the director, was like, does anybody know a

0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 4>good fight director? My girlfriend said, oh, I do. So

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 4>I came in next thing I knew. Now I'm a

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 4>Broadway fight director and just sort of like it just

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 4>sort of like unfolded in an.

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<v Speaker 2>Organic that's amazing.

0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:10.879
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I love it. It's it's it's fun stuff.

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 2>That is fun.

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:12.680
<v Speaker 4>I got you a pilot for George Lucas.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to, oh my god, George Lucas.

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:16.279
<v Speaker 4>I got to like play a Jedi and have a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It never went incredible, but still you had.

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 4>But it was a fun experience.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys, this is so much fun that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to have a part two. So join us

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<v Speaker 1>later in the week on Are You a Charlotte