Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you? Why why and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes, goodness, culture raising
Speaker 1: a glass. So raise a class if you are wrong,
Speaker 1: all the right way, all the right ways, which is
Speaker 1: I think one of the best songs of all time.
Speaker 1: We should be singing this in Irish pubs all over
Speaker 1: the world every celebration. They should be saying, so raise
Speaker 1: your class if you are wrong and all the right ways,
Speaker 1: which is a song for all the freaks, the fags,
Speaker 1: the weirdos, the outcasts, but all the side of the trap,
Speaker 1: every space bar Mitzvah's bought, Mitzvah's, the Mitzvah's, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: we have to give a nod to And just like that, graduations, weddings,
Speaker 1: funerals sing this song. Can I say, it's interesting that
Speaker 1: you sort of went to the mitzvah of it all? Yes,
Speaker 1: because I didn't mean to know you did. I gotta says,
Speaker 1: someone who has a Jewish family, not my own, but
Speaker 1: a your sister is married to a Jewish man is
Speaker 1: a Jewish family. And now we said it, and I
Speaker 1: will probably have to spend at least two million dollars
Speaker 1: on my nieces because can I say those gorgeous girls
Speaker 1: are going to have insane bott mitze as I know it.
Speaker 1: I really think I hope that their obsession for Minnie
Speaker 1: Mouse carries on into Are they obsessed with Mini Mouse?
Speaker 1: Ellie is Obsie, Sophie's obsessed with Minimouse. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: She's one of the most beautiful women, one of the
Speaker 1: most beautiful men in the world. And Sophie Sophie sees
Speaker 1: Mini Mouse. Anytime she sees Mini Masi goos Mouse, you
Speaker 1: would fucking melt at the site because you know who
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with Mini Daisy. Neither of the girls.
Speaker 1: Donald Duck, I was a Donald boy like simple for
Speaker 1: Donald Donald and king simpering whimpering child again bewitched you.
Speaker 1: My girl is not a Kingdom Hearts girl. Donald Duck
Speaker 1: was your magic user, so Goofy Goofy was your tank,
Speaker 1: and he took the damage, and he fought with the shield.
Speaker 1: Was so cute. But Donald fought with stabs and Donald
Speaker 1: could cast spells. And then anytime you were low on health,
Speaker 1: my Kingdom Hearts readers publicists know you'd hear Donald going
Speaker 1: and you you knew you were safe when Donald would
Speaker 1: cure you and go Sarah because that your character's name
Speaker 1: was Sarah, and then Donald would go it Sarah, I
Speaker 1: didn't know you had a donal or Donald bad Donald.
Speaker 1: But then if you were, like if you were fighting
Speaker 1: with other heroes in other worlds, she'd be like more that.
Speaker 1: He'd be like Bell. You can't fight with Bell, but
Speaker 1: he's like, like, who knew I could do that? Matt,
Speaker 1: You've always had You've always had Donald Donald the house.
Speaker 1: Now I think the three of us are all Donald's
Speaker 1: in this room. I don't know. You don't you don't think.
Speaker 1: I think three of us are all a little anxious
Speaker 1: like you think. So you feel this way. I think
Speaker 1: I think you're a daffy, and then me and the
Speaker 1: guest are Donald's. You think I'm daffy? Why do you
Speaker 1: insult me? So that's not an insult. Daffy duck Ken
Speaker 1: had its caring is carrying if you are if you
Speaker 1: have Daffy in you, you are carrying. That's real culture
Speaker 1: number seventeen. If you have daffy in you, you are carrying.
Speaker 1: The reason I said it was iconic that you brought
Speaker 1: up the bar, bought mitzvah of it all is because
Speaker 1: you know, I know the guests quite well, um our
Speaker 1: guest today on the episode, and I actually can reveal
Speaker 1: now that their bar mitzvah theme was live from New York.
Speaker 1: It's Jared's Night, which is interesting because it crosses over
Speaker 1: sort of with your culture and it's only it only
Speaker 1: was that because he wanted to have a Wicked themed
Speaker 1: bar mitzvah but it was deemed too and so why
Speaker 1: not scope out Wicked too Broadway and then scope out
Speaker 1: Broadway to live from New York. So I guess like
Speaker 1: it's like so in a sense, really, in having live
Speaker 1: from New York at Jared's Night, there probably was like
Speaker 1: a wicked table? Was there a wicked table? Don't verbally
Speaker 1: confirm great, because you don't exist yet in the podcast space.
Speaker 1: We haven't brought you in them. And this is my thing.
Speaker 1: I think we are coming out of a generation. I
Speaker 1: think that I think the kids now, God bless them,
Speaker 1: are like being friends with their fellow queer like classmates.
Speaker 1: Would I have been invited to that? I wonder, you know,
Speaker 1: like if we'd all gone to the same school. We
Speaker 1: talk often, you and I and also the guest DENI.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have had this conversation.
Speaker 1: I don't we have been friends during a high school period.
Speaker 1: I think I would have been friends with both of you.
Speaker 1: I am convinced, and this is not I don't think
Speaker 1: this is like a character flaw on either of us.
Speaker 1: I think we would have both like been too intimidated
Speaker 1: by the other. I been like, I'm gonna keep my distance.
Speaker 1: That's Matt Rodgers. I don't know what his deal is.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't really you know, I think
Speaker 1: we would have been friends at school and we would
Speaker 1: have even done like Matt, you and I like we
Speaker 1: we did not hit it off right away when we
Speaker 1: met in college. That's because you were noxious to me.
Speaker 1: And this is this is actually the way our relationships
Speaker 1: started was bones. We've been over this song for the
Speaker 1: improv group at my school and I was really excited group,
Speaker 1: and he came over and sort of like, so I
Speaker 1: heard your auditioning fast forward. I was mean, noxious, whatever, terrible,
Speaker 1: And then he and I bonded over Romans Revenge and
Speaker 1: or super Base coming on at a party when back
Speaker 1: when those were two deep cuts off of Pink Friday.
Speaker 1: There you go, and it's been smooth sailing ever since.
Speaker 1: Not a damn hitch speaking of sailing um Florida, Florida
Speaker 1: to news that Florida's always in and it's going to
Speaker 1: be really in the news starting Wednesday today today, starting today,
Speaker 1: Florida's actually major early in the news because Florida is
Speaker 1: the setting Miami, specifically for the film three Months which stars.
Speaker 1: Get this, Troice Savan, Get this, Judy Greer, get this,
Speaker 1: Ellen Burston, Wow, Get this Roy Gossa Jr. Get this
Speaker 1: Louis Gossa Jr. Get this Louis Gossa Jr. Amazing, And
Speaker 1: get this the Vek Calera, get this brand shoe and
Speaker 1: a host of Florida the best. This movie a star studded.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing about movies. It really can only
Speaker 1: be performed. There's a there's a script, so there has
Speaker 1: to at the very beginning of the process. Maybe this
Speaker 1: is like a peak behind the curtain. There is how
Speaker 1: movies get made. Movie magic. Movie, This is movie magic. First.
Speaker 1: You need to script first, you need to script germ
Speaker 1: of an idea that gets put on the page, and
Speaker 1: you need a director. Every now and then in a
Speaker 1: blue moon you get what's called a writer, director and
Speaker 1: a tour. And this is that tour means not tour
Speaker 1: is just anyone who literally um writes something you are
Speaker 1: you are an autour. I don't know what. Also, I've
Speaker 1: just got to say what it's a truth thrill that
Speaker 1: he's here with us, an autour who I think does
Speaker 1: his job. This is this is, this is, this is
Speaker 1: my dream of a director of an autour, even someone
Speaker 1: who does the job so well. And yet I will,
Speaker 1: I will, I will put him together with Andrew On,
Speaker 1: someone who is like not going to like really like
Speaker 1: push too much, like the identity of I'm really good
Speaker 1: at what I do, and yet he's really good at
Speaker 1: what he does and doesn't do you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: is this coming off the wrong way? It's coming off
Speaker 1: the right way. What you're saying is this is a
Speaker 1: controlled person who knew their vision and saw it through
Speaker 1: and we'm and it's really great and it's got like
Speaker 1: such a specific like signature aesthetic. And you know in
Speaker 1: the trailer they say it is from an emerging voice.
Speaker 1: They don't just say right from writer and director the name.
Speaker 1: They say it's an emerging voice, which I think is
Speaker 1: very apt. And I'm extremely proud of our guest and
Speaker 1: he's going to tell us all about the movie. I
Speaker 1: loved the movie so much, And well we're gonna gush
Speaker 1: and gush and gush to him to his space so
Speaker 1: that he can respond. And you know that we could
Speaker 1: say the person that that's the guest on the episodes
Speaker 1: that I have sort of been a character in the show,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, someone you've dated interesting might
Speaker 1: can't confirm our deny might sort of play into I
Speaker 1: don't know how public he wants to be about our relationship.
Speaker 1: I know I know, and how we have to respect.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it will be in his Wikipedia. Jared
Speaker 1: Freeder dated Matt Rogers. There is a there is like
Speaker 1: a listical thing, you know, one of those bad listicals.
Speaker 1: They're net worth seven dollars and I'm like, where's that money? Oh?
Speaker 1: They think mine is like two million, and I'm like, honey.
Speaker 1: My favorite is that they think that the guests dog
Speaker 1: is my dog has one dog named Jane. We must
Speaker 1: talk about Jane. We talk Jane. Everyone welcomes someone who
Speaker 1: on ironically loves the song. We don't talk about Bruno,
Speaker 1: the writer director of three Months. Jared Freeder, how you feeling? Wow?
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to go to the circus? Would you
Speaker 1: consider this clown parade? I would consider this clown on
Speaker 1: College to the clown parade. So maybe like it's sort
Speaker 1: of like we're going to graduate pretty soon. What is
Speaker 1: the pipeline? Is it clown College to clown parade and
Speaker 1: then clown Brigade? Yes? I think the brigade brigade by
Speaker 1: definition is big parade and then showtime and the time,
Speaker 1: which is Matt's new home. Well, listen, um, congrats on
Speaker 1: making a film. Thank you girl. How does it feel
Speaker 1: now that I Okay, we're recording this before it's out
Speaker 1: in the world, So let's just have you pretend, for
Speaker 1: temporal manipulation sake, that it's come out and that you
Speaker 1: can like fast forward and you feel yourself like, wow,
Speaker 1: it's out or what are you anticipating feeling when when
Speaker 1: the movie is likely available? I have no idea. This
Speaker 1: whole thing has been pretty surreal. Um, I'm like very
Speaker 1: excited to get really really stoned on Wednesday and just
Speaker 1: like red ms from gay kids in Arkansas being like,
Speaker 1: thank you for making me feel less alone. That's truly
Speaker 1: the dream, that's my only expect and that's basically guarantee.
Speaker 1: I really it really is. And that's what's so great.
Speaker 1: Like and the thing is, like, do you get bogged
Speaker 1: down in the biz like of like so many things
Speaker 1: like it's and then you realize, like when when someone
Speaker 1: reaches out and they're like, hey, I was moved by
Speaker 1: this and helped by this, and that's just the bare
Speaker 1: minimum some people, like, especially with this movie, like and
Speaker 1: I would love to for you to tell everyone like
Speaker 1: what it's about and where it came from. But with
Speaker 1: this movie, people are going to be really moved. And
Speaker 1: I mean I was moved, and like I I just
Speaker 1: I think I speak for like all queer people. I
Speaker 1: just I just really want everyone to get on their
Speaker 1: Paramount plus today or in the coming days and watch
Speaker 1: this because it's really fucking great, really great. Thank you girls,
Speaker 1: tell us what the movie is about, where it came from,
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Just so. It's called three Months, um,
Speaker 1: and it's loosely based on my homosexual life and it's
Speaker 1: about just in case you guys didn't know, Matthew, write
Speaker 1: that down. UM it's okay, yeah, we'll get to that. UM.
Speaker 1: So don't mean to me. This is this is my
Speaker 1: one chance to talk to your demo about what the
Speaker 1: truth feels like. I said, Pink, no, but it's okay
Speaker 1: the same the were allowed to sort of because we
Speaker 1: gave Pink so much at the top of the episode,
Speaker 1: we can humble her. Honestly, she deserves it. UM. So
Speaker 1: it's basically it's called Three Months and it's about this
Speaker 1: kid named Caleb who is graduating high school UM and
Speaker 1: is going through a breakup and on the eve of
Speaker 1: his graduation, he's exposed to HIV. Takes place in two
Speaker 1: thousand eleven in South Florida and he has to wait
Speaker 1: the three months it takes to find out what his
Speaker 1: HIV status is and while he waits, he falls in
Speaker 1: love with someone who's also waiting. UM. But it's like
Speaker 1: a I know it sounds dark and there are serious
Speaker 1: themes and topics, but it is a comedy. It's like
Speaker 1: such a blast start to finish, UM. And it's a
Speaker 1: story I like wrote almost a decade ago. But you
Speaker 1: guys know how hard it is to get gay ship made.
Speaker 1: It's like fucking impossible. And so this is like truly
Speaker 1: the Catwoman of the game movie world, Like it's had
Speaker 1: nine lives as a movie and then a TV show
Speaker 1: and finally a movie again, and I think the weirdest
Speaker 1: thing about it, and Matt was there the whole time, truly.
Speaker 1: But you know, we went into production on March, not
Speaker 1: sure if you girls remember what happened right after that.
Speaker 1: That was a big storm there was. It was a storm,
Speaker 1: Hurricane Rhona came and rained down on us UM and
Speaker 1: we had to shut down after two weeks of filming.
Speaker 1: And you know, we waited for seven months, never knowing
Speaker 1: if we were actually going to finish. This is a
Speaker 1: movie about waiting in uncertainty because of a virus, and
Speaker 1: the movie was literally waiting and certainly never thematically connected that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a lot, and so you know, it's also
Speaker 1: a movie about like waiting and how waiting is a
Speaker 1: part of the human experience and you have to fight
Speaker 1: for what you want and what you love while you wait.
Speaker 1: And I felt like this was like I felt a
Speaker 1: little bit not to be this egocentric, but a little
Speaker 1: bit like job from the Bible, where like this was
Speaker 1: my ultimate test to see if I could sort of
Speaker 1: um encapsulate the feeling and the themes of the film
Speaker 1: and fighting for it. So we came back and we
Speaker 1: did and we finished and it's out today on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 1: It's been crazy. I've only peripherally followed you on this
Speaker 1: journey because I remember just like hearing the updates that like, oh,
Speaker 1: like production shutdown of course because of COVID, and for
Speaker 1: like the seven months intervening between that and when you
Speaker 1: guys started up again, like I would be hanging out
Speaker 1: with you and you show me, like, you know, pictures
Speaker 1: from set from monitor like monitor shots and be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know when we'll do it again, but look
Speaker 1: at this, and I was like, that's the most gorgeous
Speaker 1: shot I've ever seen. And I'm like, at that this,
Speaker 1: and I remember for that period, what March t October,
Speaker 1: just thinking, God, I really hope Jared gets to make
Speaker 1: this again soon. And yeah, I know, of course, and
Speaker 1: like it is not no one would begrudge you for
Speaker 1: like comparing it to Joe, because it is filmmaking. When
Speaker 1: you're especially in your position, it can only feel like
Speaker 1: something of like biblical proportions because it's so fucking hard.
Speaker 1: And I know it sounds like such an industry circle
Speaker 1: Dirk kind of thing when people like talk about this
Speaker 1: stuff like on either like we as actors Matt and
Speaker 1: I talking about it like it's sometimes it feels a
Speaker 1: little bit masturbatory, but it's like no, like when you're
Speaker 1: in it, it really the stakes feels, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: so high, and this is to bring it back to you,
Speaker 1: Like this was so laid in with like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like hardship and all these different obstacles and for for
Speaker 1: for this to be the product in the end is
Speaker 1: so so so great. Thank you. Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: so painful, but like we it's going to be a
Speaker 1: great year of like queer movies, which I don't think
Speaker 1: people understand like how rare and heart it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have amazing Fire Island coming out. There's bros, there's
Speaker 1: three months. There's so many queer movies coming out this year.
Speaker 1: And when I tell you again, it's just like near
Speaker 1: fucking impossible to make that happen. And I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on. America is getting gay or thank god, um,
Speaker 1: but the kids are going to be eating the little
Speaker 1: the little fagolas, especially because it's on a paramount plus
Speaker 1: which I feel like they're gonna watching All Stars and
Speaker 1: then they're gonna be watching and they're gonna be flipping
Speaker 1: back and forth. They're gonna be saying should we watch
Speaker 1: on tuck or three months? That's what's gonna happen on Friday,
Speaker 1: and hopefully they watched both at the same time. To TV. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is actually a huge hack, right yeah. Film, if
Speaker 1: you're not watching three months, you are. But that's another
Speaker 1: thing is just like it's it's so difficult to get
Speaker 1: things made, and like obviously, like you can't necessarily be
Speaker 1: super honest about like every single thing you go through
Speaker 1: because it's like it's it's laden with so much stuff.
Speaker 1: But when it's you, when it's something that's so close
Speaker 1: your story, and the fact that like you know, you
Speaker 1: hear sometimes in Hollywood or whatever, like you know, it
Speaker 1: took forty years to make The Wife, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it's like but like literally it's been
Speaker 1: how many years. It's been nine years? Nine years, And
Speaker 1: it was a show that was like supposed to go
Speaker 1: and it was like all these different forms and etcetera.
Speaker 1: And then you know you're making it and sometimes it
Speaker 1: then the fucking pandemic and it just feels like one
Speaker 1: thing after another. And meanwhile, it's anyone would be emotional
Speaker 1: about investing that time energy into anything. But this is
Speaker 1: like something that you said was semi autobiographic, super personal. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So basically when I was graduating from college, Um, I
Speaker 1: went through experience and experience where I had sex with
Speaker 1: someone who found out they were pausing a condom broke
Speaker 1: and I had to wait to find out if I
Speaker 1: had it too. And it was a really interesting time
Speaker 1: in my life because the time before prep which was
Speaker 1: which was time before panicked time, Like yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's just the anxiety. You know. I feel like us
Speaker 1: as gay men, we are programmed and hardwired to be
Speaker 1: so scared of HIV and it was like the Boogeyman
Speaker 1: growing up. I mean I remember coming out. One of
Speaker 1: the first things, you know, people would say to me is,
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in the public school system
Speaker 1: in Florida, so like truly trash on trash on trash,
Speaker 1: but you know, we didn't have correct education at that
Speaker 1: time to learn that. You know, when you have access
Speaker 1: to medical care, HIV is no longer a death sentence
Speaker 1: and you equals you and um, which is the line
Speaker 1: I'm so happy we put in the movie UM, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's you know, people can like fall
Speaker 1: in love and live their dreams and do everything they've
Speaker 1: always wanted to do. And I hope if people really
Speaker 1: take that away from this film, because that was something
Speaker 1: I had to take away and learn from that experience.
Speaker 1: And um, you know, I don't know, I'm really excited
Speaker 1: for people to see it. Man. Matt brought this up
Speaker 1: last night Will Be Hung Out with You, and he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, what's so so perfectly treated in
Speaker 1: this movie is the way that the HIV concept is
Speaker 1: never so heavily presented. You know, It's like this character
Speaker 1: Caleb is just thinking about it in terms of like wow,
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's ever that fatal. And so he's
Speaker 1: and like as he's like on this journey of like
Speaker 1: kind of you know, reckoning with this potentiality of him
Speaker 1: being a TV positive, he's watching the real world San
Speaker 1: Francisco and going wow, Like there's this like actual application,
Speaker 1: that lived in experience of someone who is a j
Speaker 1: V positive living his life in a very complete, fulfilled way.
Speaker 1: And like I feel like it's you. You. You weave
Speaker 1: these things and bring them together so well that like
Speaker 1: it never feels like something that's like the stakes are
Speaker 1: like so so bleak. There's no there's no despairing in
Speaker 1: his journey, which I think is so unbelievably rare freed.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's it's unbelievably so so so like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what am I trying to say, like
Speaker 1: graceful of you think that it's it's really it feels
Speaker 1: like it feels like a first Yeah, it felt so
Speaker 1: novel because I think that when when when people are
Speaker 1: going to hear like it's a it's a comedy, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a drama about you know, the
Speaker 1: potential of contracting HIV and it's a young person. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: like and I think we are sort of triggered by
Speaker 1: the letters HIV to think, oh sad, you know, because
Speaker 1: there's so much despairing and there's so much tragedy, and
Speaker 1: you know, I actually had an extremely We recently viewed
Speaker 1: Fire Island again and I had an extremely emotional reaction
Speaker 1: because it's hard to not reckon with. It's just it's something.
Speaker 1: It's a part of the fabric of being queer communal history. Yes,
Speaker 1: And so that's what I love about this movie too,
Speaker 1: is it's it's sort of saying like his doctor is
Speaker 1: never looking at him in the eyes and being like
Speaker 1: this is really serious, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: can you speak to that? Yeah? I mean played by
Speaker 1: the amazing Who's my Hamilton's God. He is the nicest
Speaker 1: the most time. I mean I I basically wrote this
Speaker 1: part for him, and he was one of the first
Speaker 1: people we cast in the film openly HIV positive and
Speaker 1: just a huge inspiration for me. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: all about tone, right, Like tone was in Tone was
Speaker 1: paramount and and figuring out the balance and the type
Speaker 1: paramount plus um. But like Walking, the tight rope of
Speaker 1: tone was really important because I wanted this to be
Speaker 1: a hopeful film for people. I wanted it to be fun,
Speaker 1: but I also wanted to talk about things that are
Speaker 1: important to me and things that I've learned. And you know,
Speaker 1: this is really a movie that I wished I could
Speaker 1: have had when I was growing up as a kid,
Speaker 1: and that was top of mind. But for me, it's
Speaker 1: all about tone, tone, tone. My favorite movies are ones
Speaker 1: that walk that that that tight wrote, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like Juno was a huge tonal inspiration I was,
Speaker 1: and it's the same it's people who produced it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like in a very full circle moment, the producers
Speaker 1: of Juneo read the script after other producers had dropped
Speaker 1: out in one of the you know deaths, and they
Speaker 1: invited me over like the day after they read it,
Speaker 1: and they were like, we want to help you make
Speaker 1: this movie with MTV Studios. And it was truly a
Speaker 1: dream come true because, um, I remember it not a spoiler,
Speaker 1: but this was one of the things I was thinking
Speaker 1: you up for My culture was Juno because I was like,
Speaker 1: unfortunately a gross Tracy flick in high school where I
Speaker 1: like needed to get every straight a and be captain
Speaker 1: of everything so I could get the funk out of Florida.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of that's little best little boy
Speaker 1: in the world, in the world. Yes, um and uh.
Speaker 1: The only time I ever skipped school was to go
Speaker 1: to the theater and see Juno when I was a senior,
Speaker 1: and my mind was truly blown. And obviously that character
Speaker 1: is straight, but there's something about Elliott's performance where it
Speaker 1: felt inherently there was something about it where I just
Speaker 1: couldn't put my finger on it, but I was so
Speaker 1: affected by it, and it was the first time as
Speaker 1: a kid, I had seen a film that talked about
Speaker 1: something that was somewhat taboo or something that wasn't often
Speaker 1: talked about in a way that was funny and light
Speaker 1: and hopeful and accessible, and I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: want to do that. I want to emulate that and
Speaker 1: and tell important stories, but you know, with a nice
Speaker 1: little lip sync in a mini mart with fucking my
Speaker 1: favorite pop star in the whole godsdamn world. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: talk about that for a second. Because the this, this,
Speaker 1: the situation is it stars Troy Savon, who is again
Speaker 1: like it feels like a meeting of project and star,
Speaker 1: which I'm so excited for him and for you, the
Speaker 1: creator of this movie, because I personally I think he's
Speaker 1: so talented, but did not know he was capable of this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just love to see it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he gives such a understated yet like complex performance because
Speaker 1: he is scared, he is afraid. I mean, you are
Speaker 1: living in a place of fear that entire time, but
Speaker 1: yet he still carries with him a lightness and he
Speaker 1: is just so comfortable with the comedy and with your writing.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think I can't. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't think I'm saying anything crazy when I
Speaker 1: say Diablo is obviously an influence and you're writing like
Speaker 1: there is like a lot of um yeah, right, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of punch and writing and you have to
Speaker 1: be a funny performer. And like I did not know,
Speaker 1: Like you wouldn't look at Troy Savon on stage singing
Speaker 1: my My May and bloom and think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: really funny actor, you know what? And yet he is
Speaker 1: And can you speak to working with him and how
Speaker 1: he got involved? Yeah? So, I mean the thing with
Speaker 1: Caleb is I wrote the kid I wished I could
Speaker 1: have been in high school. Um, And Troy is literally
Speaker 1: just the kid I wished I could have been in
Speaker 1: high school. He's so effortlessly cool and just embodied every
Speaker 1: element of this character. And um, the love interest Esta,
Speaker 1: played by the Vet Colera. Um, he's fantastic. He's like,
Speaker 1: it's really insane, how incredible of a capital a actor
Speaker 1: he is. But I I was an Esta growing up.
Speaker 1: You know what that monologue he gives, Oh I I,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I related so hard. I'm well, that's
Speaker 1: my bet, that's my that's me. I've never written from
Speaker 1: the heart like I have with that monologue, like just
Speaker 1: about shame and you know, being trying to be the
Speaker 1: perfect little gay boy, so that this other part of
Speaker 1: me that I'm scared of, I'm scared for everyone to see, um,
Speaker 1: trying to overcome and safe for that. Um and just
Speaker 1: the way he access that was crazy. So you know
Speaker 1: that's who I was in high school. I was an
Speaker 1: Esta and Troy just like he just got it. First
Speaker 1: of all, he's like a nice Jewish boy, which we
Speaker 1: obviously immediately connected on that, but um, he's like I know,
Speaker 1: it's like woman who gets it or whatever, but like
Speaker 1: he's like a gay who gets it. And you wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily think that because you know, he is this pop star,
Speaker 1: he is larger than life and cool. But when you
Speaker 1: meet him, he's just like he's very you know, he
Speaker 1: could be at a bar on a Saturday night, you know,
Speaker 1: like chatting a chatting a way. So it was it
Speaker 1: was really it was really cool. And he's such a
Speaker 1: hard worker and um, you know he started off and
Speaker 1: acting right right, And I think that people don't know
Speaker 1: that this baby Wolverine. Yeah I didn't know that until
Speaker 1: this moment. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes queer as icons?
Speaker 1: Should we cut that? Just kidding? I think we should
Speaker 1: leave it him. I'm no comments. Troy is amazing in
Speaker 1: the film, and that That's another thing. Is I I
Speaker 1: forget like or I I understand more and more and
Speaker 1: more work. It's like the director is everything. So what's
Speaker 1: your working relationship with him? Like, like what's that? Like,
Speaker 1: what's that duet? Like? I mean, it's it's really fun
Speaker 1: for me. The thing that that surprised me the most
Speaker 1: about directing that I did not know it is like
Speaker 1: you think people come in with their like huge megaphone
Speaker 1: and they just like give orders and like everyone and
Speaker 1: like there is a little bit of that, but it
Speaker 1: really is just like about listening to people. And I
Speaker 1: feel like I've always been a really great listener. As
Speaker 1: you know, I was in a relationship with Matt Rogers,
Speaker 1: so um, that is a prerequisite. Um I only get
Speaker 1: three of those, so that was one. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's I'm a I'm a really good listener. I'm
Speaker 1: a really good collaborator. And basically, you know, we just
Speaker 1: got to the emotional truth of the scene. But the funny,
Speaker 1: the funny thing about Troy is, you know, this is
Speaker 1: the first time he's doing a comedy, so you know,
Speaker 1: you're obviously talking about serious themes. And then I would
Speaker 1: I would have to like constantly remind him. I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: but this is a funny scene, and he'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: all right, and we would just sort of work through
Speaker 1: tone first, and um. You know, there's also a lot
Speaker 1: of different um characters with different identities and backgrounds. And
Speaker 1: I'm also someone who like defers to the actors lived
Speaker 1: experience for that for that part, Like with the ve
Speaker 1: guy rewrote this role almost every single day, every single
Speaker 1: the monologues, all the stuff, because he was like, well,
Speaker 1: this is more true to my experience as an Indian person.
Speaker 1: With Brianna was like, this is more true to my
Speaker 1: experience as an Indonesian Chinese American. You know, same thing
Speaker 1: with Lucasa Jr. As a as an African American. So
Speaker 1: with with Troy. You know, Judaism plays a huge part
Speaker 1: in this movie, and um it delves into like the
Speaker 1: Orthodox communities relationship with queerness, which is not always spoiler
Speaker 1: alert um cute um. So it was basically like, so listen,
Speaker 1: my dad's religious Jew and I would love to put
Speaker 1: something in here that reflected like Judaism in a positive light.
Speaker 1: And so there's a there's a sequence out when they're
Speaker 1: on a playground and they're underneath and basically Esta says
Speaker 1: te Quayleb, do you like being Jewish? And he sort
Speaker 1: of went into that too. So it is like a
Speaker 1: back and forth. To me, it is like such a
Speaker 1: blessing to be able to work with some of your
Speaker 1: idols and all these creative people and finding the best answer.
Speaker 1: And it's never it's never solely in your brain. It
Speaker 1: is like a symphony of Yeah, I was thinking about
Speaker 1: you in a way. I'm not in a way. I
Speaker 1: just was literally thinking about you as I was watching
Speaker 1: the movie and going wow, I just really I really
Speaker 1: can so clearly picture Jared being on set with Ellen, Judy, Troy,
Speaker 1: like Lou like all of these people that like I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've like looked up to you and like we're
Speaker 1: so excited to work with and going yeah, like all
Speaker 1: I see it so clearly like you being this like
Speaker 1: steady presence on in that environment, going knowing how to
Speaker 1: sort of catered all them, make them feel cared for.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I feel like you are very much
Speaker 1: a caretaker. You know, that's so funny that you mentioned that,
Speaker 1: because there are roses and there are a gardener flowers,
Speaker 1: and as you know, Matthew Rogers, flower on flower and flower,
Speaker 1: that's what That's what happens when your en Pisces rising,
Speaker 1: Pisces cancer Moon. Honey, I'm a Leo rising Leo, and
Speaker 1: I should be a flower, and at times I am
Speaker 1: a flower. But um, I mean when Ellen first stepped
Speaker 1: on set and did her first scene, I was literally
Speaker 1: clutching my producer's arms and being like, never let me
Speaker 1: forget this moment. It's, I mean, just one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I wanted to become a filmmaker. Like her movies,
Speaker 1: you know, Alison Fucking The Exorcist and Last Picture Show.
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't believe this person is here
Speaker 1: saying my lines like she means them. And it was like, truly,
Speaker 1: truly share. That character is so great. Yeah, based off
Speaker 1: my own grandma, who I literally lost in the middle
Speaker 1: of the pandemic, who never got to see the film.
Speaker 1: So it's like one of these things where it's just
Speaker 1: like I wanted to do her proud, but like Ellen
Speaker 1: like emulated her hair in her Brooklyn accent, and we
Speaker 1: worked so hard on character to figure out how she
Speaker 1: could like inhabit this character who was essentially my grandma,
Speaker 1: which is again like so trippy. I mean, pinch me,
Speaker 1: like take it with me until like Croaks or five.
Speaker 1: So when you watch the film, what is your biggest regret?
Speaker 1: When I watched the film, I think that there's I
Speaker 1: feel like there's so here's the scene that was cut
Speaker 1: that I feel so, here's the team. Someone flew all
Speaker 1: the way out to Atlanta. When I was in pre
Speaker 1: production of this film three months, I was dating what
Speaker 1: I would call an actor at the time. Um, and
Speaker 1: I identify I as an actors as an actor for
Speaker 1: two days he identified as a dancer. And I'll get
Speaker 1: to that later. Oh yeah, and I think we're going
Speaker 1: to bring that up job. Okay, don't prank me and
Speaker 1: expect me not to bring it up on your path.
Speaker 1: I brought it up. I mentioned it all. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: well I haven't so. Um there Matt was. We were
Speaker 1: talking about it and I wanted Matt to visit me
Speaker 1: on set and I was like, there is this role,
Speaker 1: but it's probably gonna get cut. I told you in advance.
Speaker 1: You did tell me in advance, but I thought I
Speaker 1: did such a stunning performance. What I will say, certainly,
Speaker 1: it would be what I will say. Here's what i'll say.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say. Matt and Troy great scene partners, Great, incredible,
Speaker 1: We're in a moment. Yeah. Basically the scene was like
Speaker 1: Troy comes up to the bar in orders to drink
Speaker 1: and he has like a shitty fake idea and I'm
Speaker 1: this bartender and I was like, um, I look at
Speaker 1: the idea and I know it's fake, but I give
Speaker 1: him drink anyway, and I'm like hitting on him and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, like, um, you shouldn't hit on me.
Speaker 1: I'm over there with like these the pause people, and
Speaker 1: then I reveal that I'm pausing. It's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: I have an extremely active sex life. And it was
Speaker 1: like a cute little interplay between us. And then like, um,
Speaker 1: because he's like a dick to me, I'm like you
Speaker 1: better tip and I go away, just a little cameo.
Speaker 1: But when I say that, like, it's so interesting to watch,
Speaker 1: you know, Troy do comedy in that way because you
Speaker 1: like impropt a little. And later I was told not
Speaker 1: to improvise. They didn't have time. It depends on you.
Speaker 1: Matt is such a great improviser, such a great comedic actor,
Speaker 1: and like when I tell you that, Troy like leveled
Speaker 1: up with the comedy in that moment. And what I think,
Speaker 1: and I've never told you this, but Judy Greer shot
Speaker 1: two days after literally Judy grew the kind of she
Speaker 1: flew in when like everyone was like COVID, COVID was
Speaker 1: like as the world was collapsing. We shot her out
Speaker 1: the last two days Thursday Friday, her first day there.
Speaker 1: We were like, I'll never forget. We were all sitting
Speaker 1: in that fucking mini mart and we were like Tom
Speaker 1: Hanks has come when we like, not Tom, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And it was it was whatever, but
Speaker 1: duty of course improv of the ship out of that scene,
Speaker 1: and Troy was prepared for that because I think of
Speaker 1: your little moment with him, and it's such a great
Speaker 1: scene and maybe we'll put it on YouTube as a
Speaker 1: deleted scene. But Matthew was excellent. It was fun and
Speaker 1: obviously I wanted to come visit you anyway, And actually
Speaker 1: was Valentine's Day it was, which leads me to I
Speaker 1: won't say who it was, but we shared you you
Speaker 1: were sharing who it was, but a huge star was
Speaker 1: it was in the state. Was it like a duplex,
Speaker 1: So you were in one half of the duplex and
Speaker 1: this gigantic star was in the other half of the
Speaker 1: duke plex. Suffice it to say, we heard this celebrity,
Speaker 1: unnamed celebrity getting railed so hard one night it was insane.
Speaker 1: Do you remember can you can you emulate the sound?
Speaker 1: Do your park sound? It was like it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was like a porg from Star Wars. It's most perturbed,
Speaker 1: it was. And we were like, let's be louder, and
Speaker 1: we were like, we can't do that. The last thing
Speaker 1: I'll say, the only hands I'll give is it was
Speaker 1: no she was, she was, but she was getting absolutely railed.
Speaker 1: And while I was there, I spoke to this person
Speaker 1: on the phone because uh, I know I told you
Speaker 1: this in edible arrangement that your mom sent us was
Speaker 1: accidentally picked up by this individual, and so she called
Speaker 1: because the phone was there, and I spoke with her
Speaker 1: on the phone and she was it was her, and
Speaker 1: she was like I literally was like, oh, I'll come
Speaker 1: out and meet you. I'll come out and take it
Speaker 1: from you. She goes, oh no, no, no no, I left
Speaker 1: it on the on the doorstop, no worries, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, thank you so much. She was like,
Speaker 1: all right, well enjoy it. It It looks so good. And
Speaker 1: then I brought it and we did not get to
Speaker 1: talk to this huge celebrity because people be shooting in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Of course. Um, I want to bring up one thing
Speaker 1: that I loved and then another thing that I think
Speaker 1: is curious that I think will open up another discussion. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the first thing is talk about because I brought
Speaker 1: this up to you last night, and talk about this
Speaker 1: love scene between between Troy and Vivek or between Caleb
Speaker 1: and Esta. I am obsessed with this love scene where
Speaker 1: they finally decide to be intimate together despite like you know,
Speaker 1: them sort of having this pending you know, situation happened,
Speaker 1: and the way it was shot, the way it was
Speaker 1: just like choreographed and composed, I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think I've seen this. I don't think i've seen this
Speaker 1: in film like an adolescent queer sexual experience. Felt that
Speaker 1: felt real and so and yet so delicate and like
Speaker 1: careful and interest even more soul into my second thing,
Speaker 1: which is what was the choice behind making Caleb Hay
Speaker 1: Taylor swept Okay, Okay, so, I mean it's so nice
Speaker 1: to hear you say that that was the scene I
Speaker 1: worked the hardest on. Um. We like it was painstaking.
Speaker 1: I mean truly, just with my producers in the trailer,
Speaker 1: even like minutes before being like, okay, we have to
Speaker 1: sort of READO the shot list because it needs to
Speaker 1: be more honest, it needs to be more awkward, and
Speaker 1: needs to be more comedic. But for me, it was
Speaker 1: just sort of like, as a queer man, like, I
Speaker 1: feel like we have interesting ideas about what sex needs
Speaker 1: to be. It's so like God, I mean, I porn
Speaker 1: is not like ruined anything for me for something some
Speaker 1: people say that. I think it's just curate a very
Speaker 1: specific image in my head for sure, And and this
Speaker 1: is maybe what you're talking about. Yeah, I just feel
Speaker 1: like sex is, like you know, there's this notion of
Speaker 1: like penetrative counts. If it's not penetrative, it doesn't count.
Speaker 1: But I think sex is how you define it, And
Speaker 1: for me, it was just trying to create like intimacy
Speaker 1: between these two people who are going through the set
Speaker 1: of experiences who want to share each other physically. Um,
Speaker 1: and you know, I wanted to make sure again tone tone, tone,
Speaker 1: every scene. It was like, we have to stay on tone.
Speaker 1: And you know, there was a version of the scene
Speaker 1: that was like hot and sexy and whatever, but that
Speaker 1: didn't feel authentic. And there was a scene where it
Speaker 1: was like like welcome to the clown car, first day
Speaker 1: in my body, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know
Speaker 1: that sometimes, I mean, especially when you're nineteen. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: so I just wanted to create something that felt sweet
Speaker 1: and intimate that was also funny and real. But the
Speaker 1: popcorn element of it was actually something I did with
Speaker 1: my college boyfriend, who is obsessed with both of you,
Speaker 1: and he thought I was so cool when I started
Speaker 1: dating Matt because he listens to this podcast Hi Andy. Um,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it was like just something we did
Speaker 1: with like popcorn. We were like obsessed with popcorn in
Speaker 1: my junior year or whatever, and like we just did
Speaker 1: it and I was like, what a And it just
Speaker 1: became a metaphor, like popcorn means more than in just
Speaker 1: that scene. It's like a running um symbol through the
Speaker 1: film for STA. But um, it was just it was
Speaker 1: it was funny and hot and all these different things
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited for people to see it. Troy
Speaker 1: also like loves that scene. He was like, I look
Speaker 1: good in that scene, and I was like, good all
Speaker 1: the time. Sucking Venus as a boy. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: like a savage fenty mob Like it's crazy, like he
Speaker 1: really has such a striking, like like god given like
Speaker 1: movie star look. And the thing too, is what I
Speaker 1: thought was so funny was this when they were shooting
Speaker 1: the Minimore stuff, like they're just scene where they get
Speaker 1: stoned into Anymore and um, Troy and Brianne, who I
Speaker 1: don't want to lose saying, is so good. She is
Speaker 1: incredible comedy for sure. I mean and Troy player of
Speaker 1: each other. So funny. She's a movie very very like
Speaker 1: thick stardom vibe. But anyway, um, there's a scene where
Speaker 1: they get stoned and started to dance around them anymore
Speaker 1: And I remember you texted me and being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we actually had to tell Troy to be less of
Speaker 1: like a magnetic pop star because it's like to explain it, well,
Speaker 1: there's just like, first of all, we like that was
Speaker 1: like such running gun because that was the last thing
Speaker 1: we shot during the day before we had a shut
Speaker 1: down for seven months. So it was like I told Channon,
Speaker 1: and who's my DP, who is number one obsessed with
Speaker 1: Matt thought he was the most gorgeous person she'd ever seen. Um,
Speaker 1: And I was like, you're wrong, just kidding um and uh.
Speaker 1: We were like light the whole fucking store. And Bruce
Speaker 1: her her husband, who was also our b cam operator,
Speaker 1: just like fucking followed them around as the world was
Speaker 1: truly falling on our heads. It was like such a
Speaker 1: weird mix of emotions because it's such a joyful experience.
Speaker 1: And then on the other hand, I was like, God,
Speaker 1: I hope this virus doesn't kill my family. Like that's
Speaker 1: where we were at that moment. It was like the
Speaker 1: house Yeah, yeah, uncertainty, the house down, boot um with
Speaker 1: gloves and a mask and yeah, and try was just
Speaker 1: like being Troy. He was like having fun in the moment.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh my god, he's so magnetic,
Speaker 1: but he's literally and and he's coming off as an
Speaker 1: international pop superstar and like not this little fucker from
Speaker 1: from Florida. So we had to cut around a lot
Speaker 1: of it too. And I remember when we first he
Speaker 1: first saw the first cut of the movie because usually
Speaker 1: I don't show actors working cut. We should not be honestly,
Speaker 1: it's none of your business. But actually right, But the
Speaker 1: more the longer I work in this business, the more
Speaker 1: I hear about, oh, you know that person, that actor,
Speaker 1: she needs to see playback is different. Well, playback. I
Speaker 1: think it's annoying. I think actors should not be It's
Speaker 1: such a disrespective it's it's it depends on who it is.
Speaker 1: But just they have no business seeing cuts because you
Speaker 1: don't want actors to get in their heads and it's
Speaker 1: still a working cut, and you're not coming in with
Speaker 1: an objective perspective. And when you show someone a working cut,
Speaker 1: the objective is how do I make the movie better? Right,
Speaker 1: and like the movie, not a particular performance necessarily, but
Speaker 1: the movie as a whole. So you want people who
Speaker 1: are objective. But anyway, Troy had to see it because
Speaker 1: he was writing music for it. He was writing songs
Speaker 1: and one of his only notes for the many more
Speaker 1: sequences like um, I look like a pop star here,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you do, and so we had
Speaker 1: to continue to sort of cut around it. He's here,
Speaker 1: in touch with his presence and like I mean, I
Speaker 1: still think about him in the My My video and
Speaker 1: he's not even doing that much. He's kind of just like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, kind of standing still in in
Speaker 1: a in a storm, but like the in the bridge,
Speaker 1: there's a shot of him upside down in red light
Speaker 1: and then I got my name on this church, on
Speaker 1: this church, and like he just has It's so crazy,
Speaker 1: is shocking. So we just cut a music video that
Speaker 1: will come out today for Wait, which is the second
Speaker 1: and we should say the two songs that he did
Speaker 1: for the film, which are Trouble and we are like
Speaker 1: both absolutely honestly, Like, I know it's coming out earlier
Speaker 1: in the year if if There's justice at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. Wait is in the Oscar conversation because
Speaker 1: it is so beautiful things and like, I just want
Speaker 1: to put that out there in the world, because you know,
Speaker 1: he's got very close to a nomination for his song
Speaker 1: from Boy or Race, which is also beautiful, but this
Speaker 1: is such a beautiful encapsulation of the song on the experience,
Speaker 1: So it's just amazing. It's amazing. Basically, like when we
Speaker 1: were thinking about music for the film and what he
Speaker 1: would write, and he was going through his head because
Speaker 1: he he wrote the songs from Caleb's perspective, which like
Speaker 1: as the biggest choice of aon fan, like I was
Speaker 1: at his first show at the Roxy and like Mads,
Speaker 1: like I was like, unfortunately a gross stand um and
Speaker 1: now he's my sister, which is such a gift. But
Speaker 1: basically I was like, I want you to write a
Speaker 1: song about waiting because that's the experience of the film.
Speaker 1: That's the universal element that people will tap into. And
Speaker 1: he did. And in this music video that we cut,
Speaker 1: there's so many scenes and sequences um from the film
Speaker 1: that didn't make it. And there's this one really cool
Speaker 1: up all night montage where he can't sleep and it's
Speaker 1: all the stuff Caleb does in his room until the sunrise. Wow,
Speaker 1: I would have loved to see that. And it's in
Speaker 1: time laps. Channon on and I shot it in time laps,
Speaker 1: so like it felt. Music video was honestly a departure
Speaker 1: structurally from the rest of the film, so it almost
Speaker 1: didn't even fit in from a structural structural place. But
Speaker 1: I mean this this movie is like Montage City. I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with montages. It's also a movie about times. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna says it works, it lends itself thematically. But
Speaker 1: I'm so excited we got to use it and we
Speaker 1: turned it into a short film and we just showed
Speaker 1: Troy the cut this morning and he lost his mind.
Speaker 1: He's so happy. It's I'm so excited for people to
Speaker 1: see it. But yeah, he I hate this phrase because
Speaker 1: I think it's so obnoxious. But he holds the frame
Speaker 1: like he carries. He doesn't have to do ship. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Some people do and some people don't. He's got it.
Speaker 1: We said the same thing about Jole He I mean,
Speaker 1: hottest person in America jk Um. The theme of waiting
Speaker 1: is so perfectly I don't know, like encapsulated, and I
Speaker 1: just think that's a really hard thing to pull off
Speaker 1: in a movie waiting. How do how do you be compelling?
Speaker 1: But there's something in the sort of uh timeline of
Speaker 1: waiting for uh like an HIV diagnosis to come back
Speaker 1: that also just like I think you treated very very
Speaker 1: very well. Thank you. Well, you know, it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm like not an actor, like even being here talking
Speaker 1: on this podcast, I'm like truly sweating. I'm so nervous.
Speaker 1: But um, something I learned the most about writing in
Speaker 1: an acting class I was forced to take in college,
Speaker 1: which is basically like it's objective based, right, Like you
Speaker 1: have to give someone an objective, and for me, it's
Speaker 1: impossible for me to write characters that are not active.
Speaker 1: And so something that's funny that happened is I sort
Speaker 1: of overdid it because it is a movie about waiting.
Speaker 1: And then during the pandemic, when all I was doing
Speaker 1: was no now something we're so familiar with. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: all I was doing was sort of smoking weed and
Speaker 1: getting high with Matthew and eating donuts that his mom,
Speaker 1: Katrina would send, and we gained a lot of Basically
Speaker 1: we were like just binging Survivor and eating doughnuts and
Speaker 1: smoking weed. And I was like, there's not a moment
Speaker 1: in this movie where Caleb goes through that. And so
Speaker 1: I wrote this entire thread in the middle of the
Speaker 1: pandemic and we already shot half of it where he's
Speaker 1: I was like, he needs to binge something, but we
Speaker 1: have no money. What can we get for free? And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, the real world. And
Speaker 1: then he and I was like, it's such an important
Speaker 1: thing for me for this film to honor the queer
Speaker 1: generations that came before us. It's so paramount plus and
Speaker 1: um and uh. Pedro was the first openly paused person
Speaker 1: ever on television. It was the first same sex commitment
Speaker 1: ceremony ever televised. And the the ability and the honor
Speaker 1: of putting that in the movie is something I'm like,
Speaker 1: very very grateful for. And um yeah, just we're all
Speaker 1: waiting right now, So I hope it resonates with people absolutely.
Speaker 1: And I think that opening I remember even reading when
Speaker 1: you sent me the screenplay, I like read it, um,
Speaker 1: and I just that that first that opening image just
Speaker 1: stuck with me. It's so indelible where it's like it's
Speaker 1: him waiting at and this is not a spoiler the
Speaker 1: first thing you see in the movie, but it's Caleb
Speaker 1: on a tandem bicycle by himself, waiting for this gate
Speaker 1: to open up, basically like a bridge or strawbridge. Strawbridge.
Speaker 1: Yeah sorry, And God just likes just so perfect for me.
Speaker 1: I like this is I love movies. It's like with novels,
Speaker 1: where the first sentence of a novel tells you everything
Speaker 1: you need to know about about the novel. I love
Speaker 1: movies where the first shot tells you everything you need
Speaker 1: to know, and he's on a tandem bike alone waiting
Speaker 1: for this bridge to come down and get to the
Speaker 1: other side. And that's just what the movie. And then
Speaker 1: not to spoil I mean, I feel like the best
Speaker 1: films sort of a very aware of the first in
Speaker 1: the last image of the main character, in the last
Speaker 1: image of of Caleb is just really really perfect, perfectly
Speaker 1: said against the first you know, as a Tracy flick.
Speaker 1: I'm a symmetry girl. So like the beginning of the
Speaker 1: movie mirrors the end of the movie with one very
Speaker 1: work difference. Yes, I won't give it away, but but
Speaker 1: I never I never go, oh, it's too on the
Speaker 1: nose for the symmetry to be that apparent. I think, No,
Speaker 1: that is like satisfying. It's so satisfying, and you have
Speaker 1: to it's sort of necessary if you want the character
Speaker 1: are to be something that the audience can walk away from,
Speaker 1: which is that's the most important exactly. So I just
Speaker 1: want to go back to one thing that I was
Speaker 1: told I was not allowed to make my culture because
Speaker 1: you guys talk about it too much on the podcast already,
Speaker 1: but it taor it was Taylor talk. First of all,
Speaker 1: I didn't tell him that he couldn't do anything, Okay,
Speaker 1: I said, he was deciding between two things. We can
Speaker 1: talk about Taylor absolutely, what are you doing? Are you?
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm not doing anything. Are you transitioning
Speaker 1: out of this topic to go to culture? But that
Speaker 1: was our culture was for me. I just want to
Speaker 1: talk about Taylor really quickly and that we can transition
Speaker 1: to whatever that was. That was my second I want
Speaker 1: to say before we before we get into this. I
Speaker 1: did not tell him anything. He said, I have two
Speaker 1: ideas for culture. You are muscle. I don't micro manage Jared.
Speaker 1: You are a musseler. He gave me two ideas for culture,
Speaker 1: and one of them was Taylor. And I said, if
Speaker 1: you're deciding between the two, we talk about Taylor a lot,
Speaker 1: but Jared is the biggest swifty in the room, and
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of our listeners are swift. Okay,
Speaker 1: So say what you want to say, mama. Okay. So
Speaker 1: I was asking about the decision to make Caleb and Taylor.
Speaker 1: So the first thing that I'll say is, when I
Speaker 1: was writing this, it was a very emotional experience because
Speaker 1: it's a very honest screenplay, and I felt too close
Speaker 1: to Caleb and it was fucking me the funk up.
Speaker 1: And I was like, how do I make this kid
Speaker 1: someone who is definitively not me? And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he doesn't like Taylor Swift because I
Speaker 1: am so deeply and grossly obsessed with her. Anyone you meet,
Speaker 1: it's like, my personality is Taylor Swift. One percent is
Speaker 1: being a Jewish person with a weak stomach. That's truly
Speaker 1: all there is to me. A very simple math, and
Speaker 1: this is did the movie takes place. It was very
Speaker 1: easy to rag on where it was, Please don't be
Speaker 1: in love with someone else. Please don't have somebody waiting
Speaker 1: on you. I mean when I went in twelve, I
Speaker 1: placed top five out of ten thousand contestants in the
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift Biggest Fan Contest because I wrote a fifteen
Speaker 1: page essay and I met her at the basement of
Speaker 1: the Staples Center and she is absolutely perfect. And my
Speaker 1: favorite joke from that essay is at what when I
Speaker 1: was talking about why Taylor and I were the same
Speaker 1: because Red, which was the album is of the color
Speaker 1: that's also in my name j R. E. D. You're
Speaker 1: welcome but and I was like, oh my god, the window.
Speaker 1: But feeling when you got a color in the name
Speaker 1: honey just me and friend? No no, no no. Um.
Speaker 1: So I basically went up to Taylor Swift and it
Speaker 1: was like, um, I was like, thank you for writing
Speaker 1: twenty two because I'm also twenty two. And she was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're so funny. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not everyone, but in my essay, I was like,
Speaker 1: at one point we both love the Jonas brothers. At
Speaker 1: another point we both got over that, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that person, but um no, it's bad,
Speaker 1: but I'm obsessed with her and and so you made
Speaker 1: that and so that was that was a character sort
Speaker 1: of texture on Kayla. And because friends with Taylor, it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's a funny wing. Well. He also like
Speaker 1: randles the lines by her to be like did he
Speaker 1: really yeah, because I was because you were talking about
Speaker 1: maybe the fact that she would see it, or like
Speaker 1: that he was going to maybe show it to her
Speaker 1: or something, and I was like, well, the character doesn't
Speaker 1: like her, Well what the line is? Fuck you for
Speaker 1: making me like Taylor sweat end up like her once
Speaker 1: like they fall in love. The catalyst for their me
Speaker 1: cute is because they like the connection is Taylor because
Speaker 1: he says a line that is the truest thing about me,
Speaker 1: which is sometimes I feel like she steals my journal
Speaker 1: and writes about my life, which is why I love Taylor.
Speaker 1: I think everyone feels like that, which is why she's
Speaker 1: such a great right. I mean for me, And I
Speaker 1: know you guys talk about this on the podcast all
Speaker 1: the time, but as like a closeted gay kid. When
Speaker 1: I first fell in love with her when I was sixteen,
Speaker 1: when our song came out and Tim McGraw came out,
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, the only emotion that resonates with
Speaker 1: me is pining, because I'm someone who has unrequited love,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, I'm closet else anyone else, shining, yearning, wanting,
Speaker 1: um and um. She's able to synthesize that with a
Speaker 1: lyric and a sound sonically that just is such an
Speaker 1: incredible marriage that is so specific and so detail oriented
Speaker 1: but also universal and just stays with you for fucking ever.
Speaker 1: And I've seen her fifteen times and I'm so nervous
Speaker 1: for her to see this film. I hope she likes it.
Speaker 1: And um, she's my entire life, but she's not my culture.
Speaker 1: And you know what, accurately, she's not my culture. Jared Freeder,
Speaker 1: what is the culture that made you say cultures? For me?
Speaker 1: What a moment. Imagine you're a dea, you pranced in along,
Speaker 1: you spot a brook, you put your lips to the
Speaker 1: clistically of water, and bay, I'm a fucking bullet goes
Speaker 1: through your brain. It's this really he does every line
Speaker 1: famous Filia Mud has a Chinese food. Literally my favorite movie.
Speaker 1: It was something that like I I bonded with my family,
Speaker 1: Like my family were from Florida. I'm from Miami, but
Speaker 1: we're Brooklyn Jews who basically they snowbirded with. My grandparents
Speaker 1: never left because there was a beach and it was warm.
Speaker 1: So my my parents are you know, Vinny and Mona,
Speaker 1: Lisa Vito and what a good name cousins, brothers, uncles.
Speaker 1: First of all, my family is on the car business
Speaker 1: like my like that she says in the movie. My
Speaker 1: father is in the cab of business, my brother, my
Speaker 1: uncle on my father's side, like I'm the only one
Speaker 1: who's not in the car business, and we can quote it.
Speaker 1: It made us feel alive and like family. And it
Speaker 1: was also like the first movie I stand where it
Speaker 1: had life or death stakes, but it was funny. And
Speaker 1: the thing that made the protagonist and outsider is also
Speaker 1: the thing that saves the day in the end, which
Speaker 1: in my opinion is very queer. That which makes you
Speaker 1: different is actually your superpower. It is interesting, you've never
Speaker 1: seen wow, and this is this is actually a huge
Speaker 1: moment because my cousin Vinnie is really good and talk
Speaker 1: about talk about a great script like it's so it's
Speaker 1: just it's really good. And and Joe past she is incredible.
Speaker 1: But the story of it is Marissa Toma, I mean
Speaker 1: Marissa Tomay as Mona Lisa Vito. She won the Oscar.
Speaker 1: People don't think there are still people out there who
Speaker 1: don't think it's true that she won, right That is
Speaker 1: like Mandela fact new Mandela effect is dropped. People really
Speaker 1: don't think that you want people really don't think she
Speaker 1: won because they're convinced that up against her competition, which
Speaker 1: was like all older British dramatic actresses that year, it
Speaker 1: was like it was like Lynn Redgraves, like a year.
Speaker 1: Although it's a big part. So it's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: she's number two on the call. She clear like, but
Speaker 1: she's like the female lead, but she is so fucking
Speaker 1: funny and it and she absolutely crushes like six comedic
Speaker 1: set pieces and she is the climax of oh my God,
Speaker 1: and it's just like you gotta see this. She was
Speaker 1: the first drag queen I ever saw. That's how I
Speaker 1: feel about that performance. I was like, she's fabulous, she's smart,
Speaker 1: I want to be hurt. She's sexy, heightened version of
Speaker 1: femininity that you haven't seen. It was unbelievable, and to
Speaker 1: this day it also like makes all these lists of
Speaker 1: movies that get um law like accurately. That's true. Yea,
Speaker 1: It's like it's like accurate in terms of like how
Speaker 1: a court case like that would play out, like it
Speaker 1: sort of predates, like I guess legally blonde in that way,
Speaker 1: Like wasn't that accurate. It wasn't shade, but Vinnie is
Speaker 1: Blonde made it seem like made law seem like a mystery. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Although the thing of the thing too about my cousin
Speaker 1: Vinnie is like it's just in terms of chemistry, like
Speaker 1: Joe Pesci and Marissa told me they're amazing. Joe doesn't
Speaker 1: get the credit from the queers. He doesn't Joe Never Misses,
Speaker 1: Never Home Alone, stand Um, good Fellas, I'm like, that
Speaker 1: is a genius or a madman. I've never his performance
Speaker 1: and good Fellas, it's like, you know, it's a movie,
Speaker 1: so these people aren't real. But like I like whenever
Speaker 1: I'm terrified him and that first and that first thing
Speaker 1: when they're at that restaurant, I was just like, God,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. It's it's it's real. It's very accurate
Speaker 1: to what happens when someone like loses their mole, like
Speaker 1: because yes, it's anger. It's it's anger portrayed so bracing,
Speaker 1: lee and scarily, and it's that kind of thing like
Speaker 1: I think we all know people who it starts like
Speaker 1: you think they're kidding, and then it goes into this
Speaker 1: place and especially to track that like as a filmmaker,
Speaker 1: like Martin scor says, he's incredible because like as a performance,
Speaker 1: as like a same it really works because it catches
Speaker 1: you by surprise where it goes and like it's because
Speaker 1: it's measured and I would say, obviously that's a dramatic performance.
Speaker 1: But as a comedic actor, he's insane. Of course he is.
Speaker 1: He's like he's like an unsung like comedic like and
Speaker 1: you mentioned home alone, and I think people don't even
Speaker 1: like you mentioned home alone. It's like you you don't
Speaker 1: even take into account how difficult it is to give
Speaker 1: that good of a comedic performances. He needs to be
Speaker 1: the cop in the beginning and then he needs to
Speaker 1: come back, and like you need to like be able
Speaker 1: to root for mccaulley, but also like you need to
Speaker 1: you need you're not going to care about what happens
Speaker 1: to these two two guys if like they're not flushed
Speaker 1: out in somewhere right also to do a performance that's funny,
Speaker 1: that's funny where he's like constantly in pain, not easy
Speaker 1: at all, buckets of paint to the face, really slipping
Speaker 1: on ice like nail gun and his go Now it's truly,
Speaker 1: I mean gets electrified, hiss, haircatched on fire, has to
Speaker 1: go into toilet like it's it's it's a clown Carl
Speaker 1: clown college. It's code. But basically also to the thing
Speaker 1: about my cousin Vinnie is it's totally it is such
Speaker 1: a fine line because it's fish out of water, Like
Speaker 1: there are these like Brooklyn people like down in the South,
Speaker 1: like dealing with this and she feels she's big because
Speaker 1: she's Mona Lisa Vito, and like she's got these crazy
Speaker 1: monologues and it's like it's truly like it's like it's
Speaker 1: almost a play a lot of it so much, like
Speaker 1: the scenes are long, and she's got these crazy monologues,
Speaker 1: but she still feels grounded and like a real person.
Speaker 1: And I remember after she won the Oscar, it almost
Speaker 1: like was like because people were so surprised, it was like, well,
Speaker 1: who even is this person? And she had to prove
Speaker 1: it so many times again and again and again and again.
Speaker 1: And she's got I think two nominations since then, which
Speaker 1: is the Wrestler and in the Bedroom in the Bedroom,
Speaker 1: which are two completely different performances from each other and
Speaker 1: from her original win. And this is why I'm always like,
Speaker 1: we need to be giving more attention to the comedic performances,
Speaker 1: and if that can win, there's no reason why Rachel
Speaker 1: McAdams shouldn't win in Mean Girls, like it's just and
Speaker 1: so whenever these big comedic performances come along, like I do,
Speaker 1: I am one of those people who was like, if
Speaker 1: Tiffany Hattrich had gotten it for a Girl's Trip, I
Speaker 1: would not have been mad at all. I feel like
Speaker 1: she was vindicated with the La La Land Moonlight thing
Speaker 1: because we all learned that, like if they ever announced
Speaker 1: the wrong name, like they'll come out and they say
Speaker 1: like people were like, oh, the presenter just announced her name,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't her, but now we know that. Like,
Speaker 1: but the oscars themselves came out and were like, she
Speaker 1: did get the most votes. Period. It's such a good
Speaker 1: for the nons, for the win, for the win. When
Speaker 1: she won, people were like you, I think we're talking
Speaker 1: about Tiffany for a second, no, no, no, Marissa wins.
Speaker 1: And then it was like yes, oh yes, and everyone's
Speaker 1: like Jack Palace is old and he read he read
Speaker 1: the thing off right, do it right? And they were like, no,
Speaker 1: she won, period. Yeah. I mean it's I mean like
Speaker 1: the dialogue is indelible even for someone who hasn't seen it.
Speaker 1: I mean like, I mean, I I don't want to
Speaker 1: reference anything spoiler that we can't spoil. But but no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, I'm just gonna say like the fact that
Speaker 1: I I know, like the defense is wrong and my
Speaker 1: biological is taking like this like that like those are
Speaker 1: like films phrases. Let's just say that the iconography of
Speaker 1: her performance will appear in a movie that's coming out. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Mrs Viat. Though please answer the question does the defendant's
Speaker 1: case hold wood the best? No, the defense is wrong.
Speaker 1: I always think matt would do an amazing Marissa Tomay impression.
Speaker 1: If you're that's your satch. Yeah, it's mona, but what
Speaker 1: a good culture And also, bowen, you will enjoy the movie.
Speaker 1: You really like. It's one of those movies that I'm like,
Speaker 1: why haven't I all these famous other people don't tell
Speaker 1: me it's what? Something with that I think? I think
Speaker 1: holds the hell of course, of course, of course you
Speaker 1: know what's interesting though and not so like, and I
Speaker 1: do want your thoughts on this. But it's interesting that
Speaker 1: someone in the unif our Lord two you says the
Speaker 1: first scene of the movie should say everything about the movie.
Speaker 1: And you are not a power of the dog spam.
Speaker 1: Wow to call me out like that so publicly here
Speaker 1: to listen, you stepped into the arena. Here's what I'll say.
Speaker 1: I would love to see the film again. I need
Speaker 1: to see it because I'm wrong constantly. Um wow, that's huge, Okay,
Speaker 1: um Matthew, But um, here's what I'll say, he thinks
Speaker 1: he got COVID in Disney World. He do you remember
Speaker 1: when we went to Matt made me get No, I didn't,
Speaker 1: So he's so confused. When we went to Port of
Speaker 1: Villarta for New Year's a couple of years, that's right,
Speaker 1: and then pre COVID everyone we were not gay over
Speaker 1: it was New Year's. It was New Year's twenty as
Speaker 1: in January. And then you guys went to Orlando right afterwards,
Speaker 1: and you guys both got very sick. No we did,
Speaker 1: We did not both, Jared. This is what I'll say,
Speaker 1: And that's one of Jared's famous lines. So we left
Speaker 1: Port of Yarda to go to Orlando, Florida. Flight was
Speaker 1: the only flight I could get us to make sure
Speaker 1: that we would get like three full days. Was like
Speaker 1: five in the morning, so we had partied all night.
Speaker 1: How to leave at the ask crack of john for
Speaker 1: the airport, and I said, Matt, Matt, I don't have
Speaker 1: a great institution. He doesn't have. If someone's sneezes in
Speaker 1: Iowa and I'm in l A, I will get sick.
Speaker 1: So we get in the plane. I think everything's fine.
Speaker 1: He's sleeping on the plane. It's fine, I'm I'm there,
Speaker 1: I see him, I'm taking care of him. And then
Speaker 1: we get there. That's strong, and I swear to God,
Speaker 1: if we woke up, he had a fever. He's covered
Speaker 1: in sweat. He's like, I can't I can't move. So
Speaker 1: I had to do like a full day destity by
Speaker 1: myself because he his body broke. Yeah, my body, my
Speaker 1: body shuts down. Listen, I get it. But you don't
Speaker 1: have COVID for four hours and then not. They don't
Speaker 1: have zero in January. It was right before I left
Speaker 1: to shoot the film, and um, I just finally went
Speaker 1: on Rise of the Resistance two weeks. Can we talk
Speaker 1: about it? Jared loves you have you have not been
Speaker 1: on it, but it sucks that you were here for
Speaker 1: so long and we've never went. I have not been
Speaker 1: to a park in what feels like maybe maybe we
Speaker 1: should go soon. Maybe maybe you keep threatening me and
Speaker 1: being like we'll go to Orlando. You threatened me? What
Speaker 1: do you mean? I threatened you? I always say what
Speaker 1: you should go and then you're like I can I'm
Speaker 1: working and I'm like, bitch, what do you think I'm doing? Okay,
Speaker 1: same thing with Matt. Don't call you are a bit
Speaker 1: that hurts me and it's very cruel to say a bit.
Speaker 1: Jared came in and we're all sniping at each other
Speaker 1: and we're not sniping it. Matt. He's been sort of
Speaker 1: he's been sort of like threatening me with the dragging,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to get into it, like what what
Speaker 1: I'm lovely? Well, let's just really quickly pivot. I think
Speaker 1: I mention it all. No no, no, no, no, no no no,
Speaker 1: we're not doing that. Yeah, I want to do this.
Speaker 1: I want to bring the conversation anything else we want
Speaker 1: to say about my cousin. No, no, no, no, I've
Speaker 1: said it all the culture somehow this came up last
Speaker 1: nights but where each of us had to name our
Speaker 1: top ten and I got through too, and then we
Speaker 1: were are Uber came you have to You got to
Speaker 1: three and they were all from one album you said,
Speaker 1: you said style, blank, space and things. I got through
Speaker 1: four because then I I would like I would like
Speaker 1: to edit mine. But okay, you want to finish up
Speaker 1: your list. I want you guys to go first. Say
Speaker 1: your say, I'll go first. Okay. I will maintain that
Speaker 1: her most underrated song is, in my opinion, her best.
Speaker 1: I wish you would. This is like a crazy opinion.
Speaker 1: Everybody go back and listen to it. It is the
Speaker 1: most It is the one song on that whole album
Speaker 1: that fil filth besides Out of the Woods, which is
Speaker 1: like any lennox um I wish you would have, like
Speaker 1: full on arena rock. It's full on like stadium rock
Speaker 1: eighties Like. I don't disagree with you that it's great.
Speaker 1: I just think that all you have to do is
Speaker 1: stay is stronger. Oh my god, No, you're you're dead wrong,
Speaker 1: You're a bit, You're a bitch. I wish moment. I
Speaker 1: wish you would. I wish you would. I wish you would,
Speaker 1: I wish you would. Treacherous amount something are we going?
Speaker 1: The thing that I love about is Taylor Swift takes
Speaker 1: the style of other artists who we stand and creates
Speaker 1: her own version of this. No one needs to convince
Speaker 1: that that you know who did that Gaga on the
Speaker 1: Fame Monster absolutely absolutely with Taylor with blank space, Tell
Speaker 1: me that's not a Lord's song. Tell me that's not
Speaker 1: it's the Lord's song with like a Drake beat with
Speaker 1: like a hip hop of that time, which with the
Speaker 1: Taylor lyric wildest dreams. Tell me that's not influenced by
Speaker 1: I hate that and I wish you would. It's it's
Speaker 1: time never hang on the phone again. That's Danielle, girl,
Speaker 1: that's Danielle, but she marries it with like it's original.
Speaker 1: It's subversive. I'm not saying she's stealing. I think the
Speaker 1: best art is when you borrow from people that you
Speaker 1: love and you make it your own, which is what
Speaker 1: she did on that album, and it's why she's such
Speaker 1: a gifted artist. But I fucking love I wish you was. Yes,
Speaker 1: I love Okay, I just think, I just, I just
Speaker 1: I will always go to that song when I'm I'm
Speaker 1: not in the movie for all kinds of Taylor all
Speaker 1: the time, I'm always in the mood for I wish
Speaker 1: you would. Yeah, okay, And if any reader publicist out
Speaker 1: there relates, please hit me up. I would love to
Speaker 1: have this conversation. I just don't understand them. I think
Speaker 1: they should be I wish you would treacherous. While the streams,
Speaker 1: thank you for saying blank space, August, you did not
Speaker 1: say style last night. I did not say style last night,
Speaker 1: And thank you for for for pushing you. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not No, I'm not, You're a bit, You're sparks Fly.
Speaker 1: The way is like a full odd rain storm. I'm
Speaker 1: a house of cars. Oh my god. So did you
Speaker 1: have you heard the original sparks Fly where she had
Speaker 1: to change the lyrics in the second verse? What were
Speaker 1: they doing? The YouTube? YouTube? That's how please kill me now,
Speaker 1: YouTube the YouTube and go to the YouTube and and
Speaker 1: YouTube the original sparks Um. I feel like I'm now
Speaker 1: talking like Thomas who I stand um? And it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's she changed the lyrics because she got older
Speaker 1: and it wasn't appropriate. But sparks Fly was a song
Speaker 1: she wrote for her first album, did not go on
Speaker 1: the first album, fell back in love with it and
Speaker 1: she put it on Speak Now. She wrote that song,
Speaker 1: and that is that's how you know. It is the
Speaker 1: quintessence of Taylor. Absolutely absolutely, Okay, I've got two more.
Speaker 1: This is the best. Don't sunk up it, don't suck up.
Speaker 1: There's when you said last night from Evermore, Oh Ivy,
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say my last one cool Summer see
Speaker 1: the Dream in the Crime of the Night that justice
Speaker 1: for Olivia Rodrigo. Do you know have you guys discussed
Speaker 1: on the pot about what happened with their friendship because
Speaker 1: of that song, not because of New Year's Day, because
Speaker 1: she sampled that was she asked to do that. Am
Speaker 1: I going to get canceled for this? But um, the
Speaker 1: tea is Olivia borrowed. That's the word I'll use. Others
Speaker 1: will say, so I'm gonna say borrowed the bridge of
Speaker 1: Cruel Summer for the bridge of deja vu and retroactively
Speaker 1: no no no, no no no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no, you get deja vu? Oh no, the job
Speaker 1: very ice cream in Malibu. I'm toned off, so I
Speaker 1: won't know, and I know you get. I don't want
Speaker 1: to keep to keep you interest. So she had to
Speaker 1: give retroactive credit songwriting credit. She did a lot of
Speaker 1: that on that album, and a lot of it is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess she's like doing her She's she's doing what
Speaker 1: she should be doing. She's amazing all music. But you
Speaker 1: can't just a melody lion that that album is not
Speaker 1: as strong as people think. Yeah, all right, you said it,
Speaker 1: not me, but anyway, Yeah, I love Curl Summerly, not
Speaker 1: like people are acting like it's like jagged little Bill,
Speaker 1: it's fucking not. But notice it's a solid debut from
Speaker 1: a talented girl we listen to so we don't really
Speaker 1: know who she is. It's mostly about a boy, and
Speaker 1: it's like, here's what I'll say, not it's not a debut.
Speaker 1: She used to say in interviews all the time when
Speaker 1: people would ask her what artists do you emulate? Who
Speaker 1: do you love? She would be like Taylor Taylor, Taylor Taylor.
Speaker 1: And since that happened, she has stopped saying that, and
Speaker 1: she says like Gog's the greatest performer. I will say
Speaker 1: we cut this out. When I interviewed her for v
Speaker 1: MA magazine, I brought up like like they had in
Speaker 1: her the list of questions, like talked her about Taylor.
Speaker 1: I was like okay, and I was like, what was
Speaker 1: it like meeting Taylor the brit Awards? And she's like
Speaker 1: really kind of like She's like that's bad. It was nice,
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, something something happened. I didn't
Speaker 1: I realized it was about Yeah, but my ten songs, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's Jared's ten, Here's my ten. Number one, Delicate, the
Speaker 1: greatest pop song that's ever been written. I don't I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm not on the Delicate. The first time I heard Delicate,
Speaker 1: I listened. I stopped listening to reputation. Wait, oh my,
Speaker 1: i't have no reputation. Representation want mentions from rep from
Speaker 1: rep Okay, dress and fucking dress? Fucking Are you guys
Speaker 1: ready for this? Not ready for it? But endgame gets
Speaker 1: so much. One of my favorite Taylor Stuft videos like
Speaker 1: like I Bury hatch gag anyway, Okay, you go Delicate.
Speaker 1: Delicate is my number one for me again talking about
Speaker 1: the synthesizing of a lyric and an emotion and a
Speaker 1: sound together. It's like that song feels and like the
Speaker 1: spaces when she's singing the chorus is a cool that
Speaker 1: I said, all that is a chill that you're in
Speaker 1: my head the way she's saying it without the music,
Speaker 1: like it actually is delicate and you like feel its
Speaker 1: internal and it's it's so such an incredible song. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed all too well, which is like a boring choice,
Speaker 1: but it is just maybe the greatest song that's ever
Speaker 1: been written by any human And all the time, You're welcome. Um.
Speaker 1: I will say Ivy my favorite song off of Evermore,
Speaker 1: the only song on Evermore she wrote with both Jack
Speaker 1: and the guy from the National, which is gag treacherous again,
Speaker 1: talk about pining, talking about it was sounding falling in love.
Speaker 1: I told her that to her face. I saw that
Speaker 1: clip and I literally screamed out loud. It was that promo.
Speaker 1: It was and they didn't use that, but like it
Speaker 1: was online, it was online. This is I'm high way
Speaker 1: too much. I don't know what Matt texted me and
Speaker 1: what I foind on the internet, but um, oh my god,
Speaker 1: uh to headlight shine on the sleepless night and I
Speaker 1: will get you, get you alone. Nothing safe is worth
Speaker 1: the drive. And that's my favorite Teller stuff lyric of
Speaker 1: all time. US and then I would do I would
Speaker 1: do I have to go in like album order. I
Speaker 1: would do our song which made me fall in love
Speaker 1: with her, to write that song by yourself at fifteen,
Speaker 1: with those specifics, get out of here. God, if he
Speaker 1: could play it again again, Um, I would say you
Speaker 1: belong with me, just for nostalgia's sake. I would say
Speaker 1: that is a queer song, that is you pinted for
Speaker 1: your unattainable emotional unavailable were queer queer object um. And
Speaker 1: then I would go Holy Ground Ound August and the
Speaker 1: one Wow, the one in her top ten of all
Speaker 1: her catalot love, the one, the one we remember when
Speaker 1: Folklore first came out and you and I, Matt and
Speaker 1: I both went, we're choice for an opener, but I
Speaker 1: love here's the thing. I don't dislike the one at all.
Speaker 1: In fact, I just but well, first of all, we
Speaker 1: should say that Bone and I were trying to listen
Speaker 1: to the album and we were in gratititled Home, and
Speaker 1: she and Study were talking and it was disrespectful and
Speaker 1: they should have shut up. They were putting out, they
Speaker 1: were trying on clothes and going where they were. They
Speaker 1: were sort of trying on clothes and being like, do
Speaker 1: you think this shirt looks good on me? Etcetera. And
Speaker 1: we're like, we're listening to Taylor that you need this.
Speaker 1: When Folklore first came out, literally midnight, midnight, where was nine,
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, I was walking around my neighborhood
Speaker 1: alone in the dark, literally listening to it unrepeated. That's
Speaker 1: how I did reputation. Like I remember, Reputation came out
Speaker 1: when I was on a story Pirates tour and out
Speaker 1: to the Giraffe that didn't know my most played song
Speaker 1: on Spotify every year. You guys have to check it out.
Speaker 1: It's Matt original from Story Pirates where he gives a
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson bridge like you've never heard it, sorry, Kelly
Speaker 1: brand Bridge. He really he really listens to the Giraffe
Speaker 1: almost every day in the it's my it's my track
Speaker 1: on Spotify. You guys, yeah, you gotta check it out.
Speaker 1: Um but anyway, uh was a sing oh reputation. I
Speaker 1: walked around and like like soaked it up and it
Speaker 1: was so amazing. Are you ready for my tent? I
Speaker 1: guess I'm just gonna knock this out In one from
Speaker 1: there are three of my favorite Taylor Swift songs of
Speaker 1: all time, and I do think that that they should
Speaker 1: be on any Taylor Swift fans list, and that is
Speaker 1: blank Space and Style. And then I would say Wildest
Speaker 1: Dreams is one of my favorite songs of all time
Speaker 1: because it's actually my favorite type of song, which is
Speaker 1: that sort of like romantic wind swept like ballad but
Speaker 1: with activation like and I mean like, I just absolutely
Speaker 1: love it Wildest Dreams. I could listen to it set
Speaker 1: to a heartbeat, by the way, which is why we
Speaker 1: love Taylor. It's always those details that make the song right.
Speaker 1: I would like to stop here and say that an
Speaker 1: honorable mention for me, which will appear on no one
Speaker 1: else's list, but I don't want to leave the album
Speaker 1: without saying it is no Welcome to New York. I
Speaker 1: think is such a goofy song. And I think that
Speaker 1: so much of Taylor is hip hip pop pop pop
Speaker 1: walk walk, Walk, white girl stomp, and that is Welcome
Speaker 1: to New York. And the fact that she opened her
Speaker 1: best album with a song that people don't like that
Speaker 1: it was, and that it was it's not it's her,
Speaker 1: it's her thriller, it's her best album anyway. This is
Speaker 1: literally my time time um, and so that's my honorable mention.
Speaker 1: I just want to throw it out there doing forward.
Speaker 1: Hold on, Can I just say, just like for I think,
Speaker 1: what's what it is informing your effects, in your emotional
Speaker 1: connection that this song is When you and I saw
Speaker 1: her live ninety Name World tour and one of the
Speaker 1: best nights in my little plastered and she opens with
Speaker 1: with Welcome to New York, and that was the moment
Speaker 1: where we we all like you and I keyed into
Speaker 1: her like turning around it it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the nine world for a girl three times. Okay. When
Speaker 1: they gave us those bracelets and we were taking those
Speaker 1: like three foot tall Margarita's, I was living my bud lights.
Speaker 1: I was absolutely Remember we were so mad Bowen Bowen.
Speaker 1: Was it catatonic because he paid a hundred eighty dollars
Speaker 1: for an uber? Oh yeah, it was so we were
Speaker 1: We didn't stop thinking about it all night. New York.
Speaker 1: It was not life New Jersey. So so her blank
Speaker 1: space when you know, when she said the city name,
Speaker 1: she would go like noon and then she'd go during
Speaker 1: the bridge, Um Jersey. Yeah, she Jersey, And I was
Speaker 1: kind of you she wishes she could say New York. No.
Speaker 1: But okay, so those three, Oh my god, did you
Speaker 1: see Teresa there? Did you see Melissa there? Did you
Speaker 1: see any of the girls there. I don't think they
Speaker 1: like Taylor Swift, That's not true. I think they love
Speaker 1: like bon Jovi. Okay whatever. Anyway, um so those three
Speaker 1: moving forward, I would say you have to give it
Speaker 1: up to love story story because we were both young whenever,
Speaker 1: so you like, that's like I conic. So I would
Speaker 1: say those are four and then honestly, moving forward through time,
Speaker 1: on Reputation, I do have to give it up to Delicate,
Speaker 1: like Delicate has to be. We're going to convert their number. Six,
Speaker 1: I would say, and this is no particular order, but
Speaker 1: Dear John, Dear John, Dear John, I absolutely love and
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the fact that she wrote a John
Speaker 1: Mayer song, John. I love that guitar riff. And I said,
Speaker 1: if All Too Well is a twelve minute music video,
Speaker 1: we need to be looking out for a feature film
Speaker 1: of Dear written and directed by Taylor Swift. So those
Speaker 1: are six, then I would say, and Reputation is I
Speaker 1: think my favorite album. But I'm gonna give only Delicate
Speaker 1: on on the list, Treacherous and All Too Well. That's
Speaker 1: seven and eight and that's going to be read for
Speaker 1: me from folklore. And it's not to say that I
Speaker 1: dislike Lover, because I actually would give another honorable mention
Speaker 1: to the song Lover, which I think is incredible. It's
Speaker 1: just not in the top ten from folklore. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say August and from evermore this is gonna be my
Speaker 1: wild card choice. Happiness. I love Happiness. It's some of
Speaker 1: the best read writing she's ever Absolutely, of course I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree. I am will for whatever reason, never with
Speaker 1: the instinct that I should put on Evermore, like do
Speaker 1: it to a full play through. You know what I did.
Speaker 1: I put it in your New York so you don't
Speaker 1: have this, but I bought the CD and I put
Speaker 1: it in my car. Solic comes on and then you
Speaker 1: have to forced to listen to it, and I have
Speaker 1: to say, it's one of my favorite albums now Evermore.
Speaker 1: Evermore is going to be controversial. I think Everymore is
Speaker 1: stronger than No No, and a lot of people share,
Speaker 1: a lot of people should I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people think that I there's something about Folklore where it
Speaker 1: it's sort of like the perfect cosmic album at the
Speaker 1: right time for me and I think for everybody. Listened
Speaker 1: to that album in my kitchen and it was and
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, Patty Lapone was driving around
Speaker 1: to it and being like, she's like our best song. Right.
Speaker 1: When Patty Lapone tweeted that she was literally obsessed with Folklore,
Speaker 1: I was like, never did I think I would see
Speaker 1: the day that Ever I get because tell herself such
Speaker 1: an amazing story, Telle, Right, that's what's important. To Patty
Speaker 1: and actress. Half of My Quarantine was Matt just like
Speaker 1: screaming August and his kids Jen mad Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: that is that's the part you my honorable mention. The
Speaker 1: thing that is just neck and neck with August in
Speaker 1: my listing is mirrorable because it's the only song on
Speaker 1: the album where she's kind of acknowledging the present circumstances
Speaker 1: of COVID where it's like um when with the rodeo
Speaker 1: clowns like go home, like like when like when there's
Speaker 1: nothing like who what is her worth? When there's no
Speaker 1: one around, you know, like she's a disc, she's a mirrorbale,
Speaker 1: she's a disco ball. She's reflecting everybody off of her.
Speaker 1: But when no one's around, like who is she? I
Speaker 1: have to amend my list and remove the one as
Speaker 1: an honorable mention and yourribal. She's so good at shoe gaze.
Speaker 1: It's a sound that her lyrical style and her vocal
Speaker 1: qualities so well. When shoe gas was dead, like when
Speaker 1: that genre of like and I don't know, like there
Speaker 1: weren't that many people holding it on the floor, and
Speaker 1: then she comes back in and I think they're honestly
Speaker 1: has been the shift back to like I'm listening to this,
Speaker 1: to the genre much more. Now do you guys have
Speaker 1: to listen walks the How do you have to listen
Speaker 1: to to snail Mail? You guys have to listen to
Speaker 1: the girls snail Mail is my life, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Valentine and me. Did you hear the demo? So she
Speaker 1: has a demo and it's called funk I forgot. It's
Speaker 1: a lyric from it was before she called it Valentine
Speaker 1: or and it's just like she's such a genius and
Speaker 1: before the soundtrack of three months before it's all it's
Speaker 1: mostly queer, and but before we decided to make it
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, or before to keep it period. One
Speaker 1: notable exception, snail Mail was in there for Jason was
Speaker 1: in their snail Mail is like I mean that album,
Speaker 1: I've been wearing it the funk So you gotta listen
Speaker 1: to It's called Valentine Love and you were like, um
Speaker 1: fucking I just gotta say I love the acoustic version
Speaker 1: of Trouble in the movie. It's thank It's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yes, it's weird because, like Troy, I wanted
Speaker 1: people to be invested in him as Caleb, and I
Speaker 1: felt like you didn't want to distract with him singing
Speaker 1: the song. So I was like, let's find some we
Speaker 1: didn't know. He said his version of the songs are
Speaker 1: at the end credits. But I was like, let's find
Speaker 1: some really cool queer artists for you to write these
Speaker 1: songs with and duet with so that they can sing
Speaker 1: it over picture and Jays gave like the most beautiful acoustic,
Speaker 1: intimate version of Trouble for that um Fourth of July
Speaker 1: beach montage, and Gordy does wait at the end, which
Speaker 1: makes Matt cry. It's Matt's favorite part of the fucking
Speaker 1: overhead beach shots. How did you do that? Okay, so
Speaker 1: the gag is it was supposed to be filmed on
Speaker 1: our last day in Florida, and as you know, so
Speaker 1: you did shoot in Florida for something we did, So
Speaker 1: we did so all of our exteriors mostly or Miami,
Speaker 1: and then our interiors were Atlanta for the tax break
Speaker 1: money honey, because that's kind of how we did. Because
Speaker 1: I was because I was looking at I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I knew that they shot this in Atlanta, and I
Speaker 1: was going, well, the exteriors are giving me and it
Speaker 1: was Miami. We we really and even in the interiors,
Speaker 1: I worked with my production designer, Catherine Eater, who's a
Speaker 1: genius to really bring the feeling of Florida inside, you know,
Speaker 1: Art Deco, Pastel's um green, you know, plants and just
Speaker 1: that that sort of vibe. But um, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like I didn't want I didn't want people to be
Speaker 1: taken out because it was because it was Troy, right, No,
Speaker 1: I totally I got that immediately. It was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this would be a completely different evocation if it was
Speaker 1: Troy singing over Troy, you know, walking around. But um, God,
Speaker 1: like I I specifically love you, like giving us Miami overcast?
Speaker 1: Oh honey, well, oh sorry. The beach shot it was
Speaker 1: too windy. We couldn't we couldn't shoot it there. So
Speaker 1: we filmed the shot. We do a plate which is
Speaker 1: basically where like you put Troy on a green screen
Speaker 1: floor and we shoot a plate of his face, shoot
Speaker 1: a plate of his face, and then we farmed it
Speaker 1: out to the South Africa unit. We found this great
Speaker 1: production company in South Africa and they filmed that shot
Speaker 1: on Africa like directly and doing it like over zoom
Speaker 1: and through emails to figure it out and then we
Speaker 1: superimposed in post and it's sort of like a visual effect.
Speaker 1: But for me, that was something Channon in our DP,
Speaker 1: who's like brilliant. She um what else has she done?
Speaker 1: She's done a movie called The Third Wife, which she
Speaker 1: was nominated for an Indie Spirit Award for. She's a
Speaker 1: tie cinematographer who is just like just queer and just
Speaker 1: like incredible. And I feel like Caleb and Dar's relationship
Speaker 1: in a weird way was mirrored by like relationship. But
Speaker 1: um uh, she's just so beautiful. And that was in
Speaker 1: her look book when she like interviewed job that the
Speaker 1: concept of that shot, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we're gonna steal that. We're gonna put it in one
Speaker 1: of my favorite against both times twice twice time I
Speaker 1: was like yeah again, sort of like in a movie
Speaker 1: about time, those shots were used to sort of like
Speaker 1: it's like my in a to the Lighthouse with Virginia
Speaker 1: Woolf for like time passes and brackets and it's like
Speaker 1: a way to jump, like those are my brackets. That's
Speaker 1: my way to like pause one era of the film
Speaker 1: and John and Um, yeah, god, I just love it.
Speaker 1: I mean everyone please get please see it right now,
Speaker 1: and it's out today. And basically what you do is
Speaker 1: you you download Paramount Plus and so it should show
Speaker 1: up as an icon on your TV and then you
Speaker 1: click it. And really, if you have drag Race, if
Speaker 1: if you like to watch Drag Race All Stars, you
Speaker 1: might already have the Paramount Plus app. You go on there,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to watch three months written and
Speaker 1: directed by Jared Freeder and starring choice van Ellen Burston,
Speaker 1: Louis Gossip Jr. I mean, Judy Greer, Ammy Landecker, who's
Speaker 1: also fantastic. We haven't spent the time, but so great
Speaker 1: Brianne Chew and Vet Colorado. What an amazing opportunity for
Speaker 1: you to watch a great film out there, all the readers,
Speaker 1: It is time to move on to I Don't Think so, honey,
Speaker 1: which is our one minute segment where we how do
Speaker 1: you say, take sixty seconds to rant against something in
Speaker 1: culture that really deserves to be dragged the hell through
Speaker 1: the mud, And um, I have something. Okay, this is amazing,
Speaker 1: an amazing surprise. This will be Matt Rodgers. I don't
Speaker 1: think so many time starts now. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: I was cut from three months. Basically I came in
Speaker 1: and I think what happened was I made such an
Speaker 1: impression in my screen time that they thought that they
Speaker 1: they thought, you know, Jared and the filmmakers, they really
Speaker 1: basically everyone's going to think now that this character comes,
Speaker 1: like this actor is so searing on screen that they're
Speaker 1: gonna think, oh, he's like a new character in the movie.
Speaker 1: They thought Montgomery Addison Montgomery vibes like a Montgomery Shepherd
Speaker 1: five where they were like, like, we would have to
Speaker 1: do it often there's not necessarily the money for that.
Speaker 1: But basically, like I was giving you arm, I was
Speaker 1: giving you It was a really good arm day for me.
Speaker 1: They dressed me well, actually brought my own hordrobe to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, and I was having a really
Speaker 1: amazing time months. I had amazing chuntry the troy as
Speaker 1: the director has even admitted to. And basically, I think
Speaker 1: I was cut because I made too much of an
Speaker 1: impression and they hate it when like the star sort
Speaker 1: of gets blown away on camera by another actor, and
Speaker 1: sort of I think I came in and like did
Speaker 1: that and like maybe we'll work together in the future.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm available for projects going forward. Can
Speaker 1: I just say I was so nervous about what I
Speaker 1: was going to say for I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: because I was like, I hope it's not too mean.
Speaker 1: And now I'm really excited. Now we're going there, and
Speaker 1: now I kind of want to I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of something for me and I can get really personal,
Speaker 1: not with anyone in the room, but just I just
Speaker 1: want to say that the character in the script was
Speaker 1: described as hot bartender Danny, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Jared, and he was like, no, you should
Speaker 1: do it. And I went down and did it, and
Speaker 1: I skipped work and I went and did it only
Speaker 1: to be cut. And it really hurt my heart because
Speaker 1: I knew how much I gave the film, and I
Speaker 1: feel that, you know, it's really tough, but I also
Speaker 1: know that life is very long, but my career will
Speaker 1: be very long. Aren't you happy you got cast in
Speaker 1: a role where the character's name is literally hot Danny? Like,
Speaker 1: doesn't that make you feel good? I guess I didn't
Speaker 1: do I didn't really do a great Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't speak to this anymore. You can't speak to
Speaker 1: this anymore. Interesting. It just hurts so much. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but who do you? Who do you blame for this? Jared? Jared? Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is Bowen Yang's time now, bow and Yang
Speaker 1: do you have a time? It just mean I think
Speaker 1: it's so perfect? Did there we go? Okay? This is
Speaker 1: time now? I don't think so, honey. The movie three
Speaker 1: Months being set in summer, and there's not one mention
Speaker 1: of the album Born This Way by Lady Gaga dominating
Speaker 1: the cultural conversation at the time. Why in a room
Speaker 1: full of queer people discussing their community, why is Lady
Speaker 1: Gaga invisibilize crazy? It's insane? Tylorshipting is this in this universe?
Speaker 1: But Lady Gaga does not. Stephanie Gremanana Strasburg Stadislavski sends
Speaker 1: memory trained circle in the Square legend and nothing. Don't
Speaker 1: don't disrespect Gaga. The only person you could hold hold
Speaker 1: a candle, boy smells candle to Taylor Swift herself. Now
Speaker 1: I need to see a version of I need to
Speaker 1: and the listeners need to take screenshots of three photoshop
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga in or a speech bubble of someone saying
Speaker 1: my favorite tracking off of the album is Government Hooker,
Speaker 1: and you have to five seconds Government Hooker Kevy mettal
Speaker 1: Lover her closest thing to an instrumental song. Amazing. We
Speaker 1: love seeing Goga being pushed in the direction. I can't
Speaker 1: see what she does next in the year twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: It will be my dream coming true if people take
Speaker 1: screenshots of this movie and the readers are very activated
Speaker 1: that whenever we have and we have three to draw
Speaker 1: a picture, they draw a picture and we love them
Speaker 1: for it. We love the readers. Can we stop and
Speaker 1: say we love the readers and you might get rewarded
Speaker 1: very soon over the summer for something. All I'm saying
Speaker 1: is clear your schedules for this summer. The motherfuckers and
Speaker 1: the new readers are so dear to us, and I
Speaker 1: want to if I can have every single one of you,
Speaker 1: I would, I really would. I really We love you
Speaker 1: so much and you and you better put the speech
Speaker 1: bubble in for three months saying Gaga standom or else,
Speaker 1: we don't love you anymore. Can you guys do bloody Mary,
Speaker 1: which is like what I would have done? What is
Speaker 1: my favorite from that up. I think Government Hooker Shies
Speaker 1: and have You Been a Lover? Hard? But also Judas
Speaker 1: is like Judas is a bad romance, Like it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: I was driving through the hills and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is this song Fox? Why did she get an
Speaker 1: Oscar nomination for I mean? You would I you? And
Speaker 1: that's that's such a good act of glory? Are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? It's her best album. I would also say this.
Speaker 1: A reader got in my d MS always and basically
Speaker 1: confirmed that she is doing the top one song. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's cool, She's doing like the big song top A
Speaker 1: reader got in my DMS with intimate this is very
Speaker 1: doom wall of me. But like a reader got in
Speaker 1: my DMS with intimate knowledge of the fact that she
Speaker 1: has already shot footage for a video at like an
Speaker 1: air Force base. Sick. Yeah, it's not gonna be in
Speaker 1: a second another one. I mean, with no Bond movie out,
Speaker 1: there's nothing. I kind of a bummed that, Like Billie
Speaker 1: Eilish has just kinda kind of walked to this Austine,
Speaker 1: She's not it's going to be Lynn. I think you
Speaker 1: think so. I think that Bruno is such a huge
Speaker 1: song right now and even though that's not the official
Speaker 1: submission because Bruno took off after they had already had
Speaker 1: to submit the song. I think people want to reward him.
Speaker 1: He should have never lost for that Moana song, which
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest I want songs in the
Speaker 1: Dignity of Stars from how embarrassing it is so terrifying,
Speaker 1: and I know, I mean, like I love pastic and
Speaker 1: Paul and I just want to say I genuinely love
Speaker 1: pastic and Paul. Sure, I just think that was not
Speaker 1: I actually thought that audition was stronger than the City
Speaker 1: of Stars, and had that song one, I would have
Speaker 1: been like Slay and a half and the best part
Speaker 1: of your believable. I completely agree. I completely agree, but
Speaker 1: all amazing songs. But like Lynna deserves, Billy also deserves.
Speaker 1: But I think he helped. I don't know if Billy
Speaker 1: deserves an Oscar for that song, she says, hounted. But
Speaker 1: then I guess you will win one some day, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. If not for this, than something for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, So I guess we've got to the point
Speaker 1: where it's Jared Freeders. I don't think so, honey, And
Speaker 1: I think I have some sort of idea of what
Speaker 1: he might do. Because this is Jared Frieders, I don't
Speaker 1: think so many as time starts now, I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. Matt Rogers telling me he was in love
Speaker 1: with me for the first time on this here podcast
Speaker 1: instead of in person. That's right, Readers Skinner episode. He
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I think I might love Jared, but
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say it yet. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I get text from friends from back home
Speaker 1: being like, did you hear that your boyfriend's too scared
Speaker 1: to tell you he loves you in person? So he's
Speaker 1: saying it on his podcast. I was like, what you're not,
Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw, girl, talk to me in person, Bernie Brown,
Speaker 1: Vulnerability is important and you just never told me in person.
Speaker 1: And so then I had to be the one to
Speaker 1: say at first, which is like against my room. I
Speaker 1: did say it first, and it was well, I mean,
Speaker 1: saying it on a podcast doesn't count. Matthew. Sorry for
Speaker 1: this public sad right now, but how dare you tell
Speaker 1: your beloved readers before you actually tell me? The person
Speaker 1: you know, Jane has never forgiven you for this because
Speaker 1: it was a traumatic event. You Okay, first of all,
Speaker 1: how dare you second of all? That's probably true anyway. Anyway, anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you readers got the first scoop for that,
Speaker 1: the exclusive, because I was not. And that's one minute.
Speaker 1: Can I say that's wrong? Because I did say that
Speaker 1: to you, and then you were caught off guard by
Speaker 1: it and didn't say it back. And then three days
Speaker 1: later you were like, hey, by the way, no no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, no lies a Minelli lies. Matt, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: You might have shared too much on the podcast, not
Speaker 1: too much, but you you classic you you made it.
Speaker 1: You made it a strange situation. When we broke up.
Speaker 1: I was like, Matt, I just asked that you don't
Speaker 1: talk about on the podcast. Weeks later, I get a
Speaker 1: message from someone on Grinder on Grinder being heard, Hey,
Speaker 1: huge fan of your ex boyfriend's podcast, heard you guys
Speaker 1: broke up? Can I say something? I gave it several
Speaker 1: weeks and then I was like, and I just want
Speaker 1: to tell everyone because they know my life and I
Speaker 1: don't want to lie to them. I was just like,
Speaker 1: Jarn and I did break up. Everything's fine. You know
Speaker 1: what the dark side of the moon really is. Most
Speaker 1: of your Grinder messages being about the fact that they're
Speaker 1: fans of your ex boyfriends. That's the dark side was
Speaker 1: actually discussing and then and then how do you deal
Speaker 1: with that because there are you like, don't respond, I
Speaker 1: don't respond. That's his iceberg. Yeah, that's my iceberg. It's
Speaker 1: just like, oh, I love Last Culture Stace, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't have nothing. Well, now you now
Speaker 1: you do have something to do with it because you're
Speaker 1: on exactly the pow. So now you're actually moving your
Speaker 1: wonderful movie. Are you going to make your Instagram not private?
Speaker 1: Now it's not private? Yeah, oh so anyone can follow you. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that's unfortunate. Yeah, they see lots of wonderful pictures. That's
Speaker 1: because Jane thinks I'm a dog. I play with Jane
Speaker 1: like I'm a dog, and so she thinks I am one,
Speaker 1: and she responds to me different than other people, but
Speaker 1: a typical Matt fashion. He'll play with her. He's the
Speaker 1: most fun person in the room. He'll rile her up
Speaker 1: and then she'll get too excited and he'll turn to
Speaker 1: me and be like, do something about this, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I mean, really, Jane is one of the most beautiful dogs.
Speaker 1: In the world, and did I would tell you. I
Speaker 1: said a picture, like when we were dating. I said
Speaker 1: a picture of Jane to my my parents and my
Speaker 1: dad responded and he was like, Jane is like Greta Garbow.
Speaker 1: Jane is And I said, Audrey Hepperd Hepperd yesterday, that's true.
Speaker 1: Has this like really ground not ground down? Just like beautiful,
Speaker 1: classic classic? She is so she's twenty eight giving Scarlett O'Hara.
Speaker 1: She's giving Jane is serving Puss. And whenever Joel talks
Speaker 1: to me about Jane, can you want to speak to this?
Speaker 1: Do you speak to this? Joel Kim Booster m one
Speaker 1: of your closest friends, one of my closest friends. How
Speaker 1: I met Matthew So Jared is extremely close friends with
Speaker 1: Joel Kim Lewis. Jared is close to Joel in a
Speaker 1: way that like is on a deeper level in some
Speaker 1: ways than Mexica. Jared was Joel's l a best friend. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's how I met. I mean, this is really dark,
Speaker 1: but when the Pull shooting happened was the day that
Speaker 1: I met Joel, and I could like because I'm from
Speaker 1: Florida and I like knew people who knew people who
Speaker 1: were lost, so like, I could not go to the
Speaker 1: Carly Rage Jepson concert that night and we because I
Speaker 1: was too distraught, and I gave Joel in my tickets
Speaker 1: and became best friends. Um. But Joel, while he is
Speaker 1: one of the greatest, funniest, most talented people on planet Earth,
Speaker 1: he literally hates my dog. And I think it's because
Speaker 1: he knows that she's a star and she the camera.
Speaker 1: Joel is not a dog person overall. He has he's
Speaker 1: interesting things to say about Greta's dog, Tiny, which is
Speaker 1: that she's too small to be a dog. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think that you're trying to do funny comedy and
Speaker 1: it's rude. And he staided the other day that Jane
Speaker 1: is skinny and needy, like like him, and so that's
Speaker 1: why he's jealous. He's jealous of Jane. He's jealous. He
Speaker 1: has jealousy jealous. Also, Jane is obsessed with John Michael,
Speaker 1: Joel's boyfriend, and I think that that also has driven
Speaker 1: a wedge between Jane and Joel. Well John Michael, maybe
Speaker 1: she thinks that he's me. Yeah, what's going on? Well,
Speaker 1: a beautiful episode, and I would love to say how
Speaker 1: proud I am of you because I saw firsthand how
Speaker 1: much it was to go through this, and just the
Speaker 1: film is very beautiful. And why I always tried to
Speaker 1: tell you the whole time is while it was difficult
Speaker 1: the entire time, like making an Indian movie like this,
Speaker 1: like what's really important is how people are going to
Speaker 1: be moved and affected by it. And the fact is
Speaker 1: then people don't have this movie, but now they do,
Speaker 1: thank you, And so that's worth all of it, and
Speaker 1: it will open and already has opened so many doors.
Speaker 1: And like I just I'm so excited for you and
Speaker 1: so proud of you. Thank you, and every reader and
Speaker 1: fanshad know that, Like Matt was my lifeline during this
Speaker 1: entire process and makes me very emotional talk about and um,
Speaker 1: he's funny but also a great person, as is Bowen.
Speaker 1: And this is like a dream come true to be
Speaker 1: on this podcast. So we're so happy to have you,
Speaker 1: and please stream three Months, which is out on Paramount
Speaker 1: Plus today. It's so exciting, and listen to the songs
Speaker 1: on Spotify, Weight and Trouble and watch the video and
Speaker 1: just celebrate and support this movie, you guys, because we're
Speaker 1: we don't get them it will be that you do.
Speaker 1: It really will be meaningful that you do watch it,
Speaker 1: just on an individual level, not to be full individualist here,
Speaker 1: but like it will be meaningful that you watch it
Speaker 1: and take something away from it. You know that you
Speaker 1: haven't seen it and you will love you a lot.
Speaker 1: And I just I'm just saying it's there for you now.
Speaker 1: And how cool that you know it's just right there
Speaker 1: your fingertips to be able to watch. And what an
Speaker 1: amazing thing that you even got it made like so
Speaker 1: many people. It's like, like like you said, like for queer films,
Speaker 1: for queer art, like it's so hard. And as Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift says in the one, the best films are never made.
Speaker 1: And I'll leave you guys with that and live with that.
Speaker 1: And you know we do end every episode with a song.
Speaker 1: This is for the best my reputation and then oor
Speaker 1: so he was liking me for me you can't wait
Speaker 1: and it was his knack and leave babe, but you
Speaker 1: can make me a drink one, two three, Let's go
Speaker 1: bitche on the East side of when you have the
Speaker 1: host of that song. Listen to Reputation by Taylor to
Speaker 1: Bye