1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you? Why why and look 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes, goodness, culture raising 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: a glass. So raise a class if you are wrong, 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: all the right way, all the right ways, which is 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: I think one of the best songs of all time. 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: We should be singing this in Irish pubs all over 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: the world every celebration. They should be saying, so raise 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: your class if you are wrong and all the right ways, 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: which is a song for all the freaks, the fags, 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: the weirdos, the outcasts, but all the side of the trap, 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: every space bar Mitzvah's bought, Mitzvah's, the Mitzvah's, I'm sorry 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: we have to give a nod to And just like that, graduations, weddings, 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: funerals sing this song. Can I say, it's interesting that 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: you sort of went to the mitzvah of it all? Yes, 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: because I didn't mean to know you did. I gotta says, 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: someone who has a Jewish family, not my own, but 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: a your sister is married to a Jewish man is 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: a Jewish family. And now we said it, and I 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: will probably have to spend at least two million dollars 20 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: on my nieces because can I say those gorgeous girls 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: are going to have insane bott mitze as I know it. 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: I really think I hope that their obsession for Minnie 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: Mouse carries on into Are they obsessed with Mini Mouse? 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: Ellie is Obsie, Sophie's obsessed with Minimouse. Oh my god, 25 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: She's one of the most beautiful women, one of the 26 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: most beautiful men in the world. And Sophie Sophie sees 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: Mini Mouse. Anytime she sees Mini Masi goos Mouse, you 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: would fucking melt at the site because you know who 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 1: I was obsessed with Mini Daisy. Neither of the girls. 30 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Donald Duck, I was a Donald boy like simple for 31 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: Donald Donald and king simpering whimpering child again bewitched you. 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: My girl is not a Kingdom Hearts girl. Donald Duck 33 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: was your magic user, so Goofy Goofy was your tank, 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: and he took the damage, and he fought with the shield. 35 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: Was so cute. But Donald fought with stabs and Donald 36 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: could cast spells. And then anytime you were low on health, 37 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: my Kingdom Hearts readers publicists know you'd hear Donald going 38 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: and you you knew you were safe when Donald would 39 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: cure you and go Sarah because that your character's name 40 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: was Sarah, and then Donald would go it Sarah, I 41 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: didn't know you had a donal or Donald bad Donald. 42 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: But then if you were, like if you were fighting 43 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: with other heroes in other worlds, she'd be like more that. 44 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: He'd be like Bell. You can't fight with Bell, but 45 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: he's like, like, who knew I could do that? Matt, 46 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: You've always had You've always had Donald Donald the house. 47 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: Now I think the three of us are all Donald's 48 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: in this room. I don't know. You don't you don't think. 49 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: I think three of us are all a little anxious 50 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: like you think. So you feel this way. I think 51 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: I think you're a daffy, and then me and the 52 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: guest are Donald's. You think I'm daffy? Why do you 53 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: insult me? So that's not an insult. Daffy duck Ken 54 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: had its caring is carrying if you are if you 55 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: have Daffy in you, you are carrying. That's real culture 56 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: number seventeen. If you have daffy in you, you are carrying. 57 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: The reason I said it was iconic that you brought 58 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: up the bar, bought mitzvah of it all is because 59 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, I know the guests quite well, um our 60 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: guest today on the episode, and I actually can reveal 61 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: now that their bar mitzvah theme was live from New York. 62 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: It's Jared's Night, which is interesting because it crosses over 63 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: sort of with your culture and it's only it only 64 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: was that because he wanted to have a Wicked themed 65 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: bar mitzvah but it was deemed too and so why 66 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: not scope out Wicked too Broadway and then scope out 67 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: Broadway to live from New York. So I guess like 68 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: it's like so in a sense, really, in having live 69 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: from New York at Jared's Night, there probably was like 70 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: a wicked table? Was there a wicked table? Don't verbally 71 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: confirm great, because you don't exist yet in the podcast space. 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: We haven't brought you in them. And this is my thing. 73 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: I think we are coming out of a generation. I 74 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: think that I think the kids now, God bless them, 75 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: are like being friends with their fellow queer like classmates. 76 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: Would I have been invited to that? I wonder, you know, 77 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: like if we'd all gone to the same school. We 78 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: talk often, you and I and also the guest DENI. 79 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have had this conversation. 80 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: I don't we have been friends during a high school period. 81 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: I think I would have been friends with both of you. 82 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: I am convinced, and this is not I don't think 83 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: this is like a character flaw on either of us. 84 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: I think we would have both like been too intimidated 85 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: by the other. I been like, I'm gonna keep my distance. 86 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: That's Matt Rodgers. I don't know what his deal is. 87 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't really you know, I think 88 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: we would have been friends at school and we would 89 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: have even done like Matt, you and I like we 90 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: we did not hit it off right away when we 91 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: met in college. That's because you were noxious to me. 92 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: And this is this is actually the way our relationships 93 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: started was bones. We've been over this song for the 94 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: improv group at my school and I was really excited group, 95 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: and he came over and sort of like, so I 96 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: heard your auditioning fast forward. I was mean, noxious, whatever, terrible, 97 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: And then he and I bonded over Romans Revenge and 98 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: or super Base coming on at a party when back 99 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: when those were two deep cuts off of Pink Friday. 100 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: There you go, and it's been smooth sailing ever since. 101 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: Not a damn hitch speaking of sailing um Florida, Florida 102 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: to news that Florida's always in and it's going to 103 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: be really in the news starting Wednesday today today, starting today, 104 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: Florida's actually major early in the news because Florida is 105 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: the setting Miami, specifically for the film three Months which stars. 106 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: Get this, Troice Savan, Get this, Judy Greer, get this, 107 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: Ellen Burston, Wow, Get this Roy Gossa Jr. Get this 108 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: Louis Gossa Jr. Get this Louis Gossa Jr. Amazing, And 109 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: get this the Vek Calera, get this brand shoe and 110 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: a host of Florida the best. This movie a star studded. 111 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: And here's the thing about movies. It really can only 112 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: be performed. There's a there's a script, so there has 113 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: to at the very beginning of the process. Maybe this 114 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: is like a peak behind the curtain. There is how 115 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: movies get made. Movie magic. Movie, This is movie magic. First. 116 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: You need to script first, you need to script germ 117 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: of an idea that gets put on the page, and 118 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: you need a director. Every now and then in a 119 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: blue moon you get what's called a writer, director and 120 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: a tour. And this is that tour means not tour 121 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: is just anyone who literally um writes something you are 122 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: you are an autour. I don't know what. Also, I've 123 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: just got to say what it's a truth thrill that 124 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: he's here with us, an autour who I think does 125 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: his job. This is this is, this is, this is 126 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: my dream of a director of an autour, even someone 127 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: who does the job so well. And yet I will, 128 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: I will, I will put him together with Andrew On, 129 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: someone who is like not going to like really like 130 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: push too much, like the identity of I'm really good 131 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: at what I do, and yet he's really good at 132 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: what he does and doesn't do you know what I mean? Yeah, 133 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: is this coming off the wrong way? It's coming off 134 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: the right way. What you're saying is this is a 135 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: controlled person who knew their vision and saw it through 136 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: and we'm and it's really great and it's got like 137 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: such a specific like signature aesthetic. And you know in 138 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: the trailer they say it is from an emerging voice. 139 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: They don't just say right from writer and director the name. 140 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: They say it's an emerging voice, which I think is 141 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: very apt. And I'm extremely proud of our guest and 142 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: he's going to tell us all about the movie. I 143 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: loved the movie so much, And well we're gonna gush 144 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: and gush and gush to him to his space so 145 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: that he can respond. And you know that we could 146 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: say the person that that's the guest on the episodes 147 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: that I have sort of been a character in the show, 148 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, someone you've dated interesting might 149 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: can't confirm our deny might sort of play into I 150 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: don't know how public he wants to be about our relationship. 151 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: I know I know, and how we have to respect. 152 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: I wonder if it will be in his Wikipedia. Jared 153 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: Freeder dated Matt Rogers. There is a there is like 154 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: a listical thing, you know, one of those bad listicals. 155 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: They're net worth seven dollars and I'm like, where's that money? Oh? 156 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: They think mine is like two million, and I'm like, honey. 157 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: My favorite is that they think that the guests dog 158 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: is my dog has one dog named Jane. We must 159 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: talk about Jane. We talk Jane. Everyone welcomes someone who 160 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: on ironically loves the song. We don't talk about Bruno, 161 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: the writer director of three Months. Jared Freeder, how you feeling? Wow? 162 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to go to the circus? Would you 163 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: consider this clown parade? I would consider this clown on 164 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: College to the clown parade. So maybe like it's sort 165 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: of like we're going to graduate pretty soon. What is 166 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: the pipeline? Is it clown College to clown parade and 167 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: then clown Brigade? Yes? I think the brigade brigade by 168 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: definition is big parade and then showtime and the time, 169 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: which is Matt's new home. Well, listen, um, congrats on 170 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: making a film. Thank you girl. How does it feel 171 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: now that I Okay, we're recording this before it's out 172 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: in the world, So let's just have you pretend, for 173 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: temporal manipulation sake, that it's come out and that you 174 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: can like fast forward and you feel yourself like, wow, 175 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: it's out or what are you anticipating feeling when when 176 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: the movie is likely available? I have no idea. This 177 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: whole thing has been pretty surreal. Um, I'm like very 178 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: excited to get really really stoned on Wednesday and just 179 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: like red ms from gay kids in Arkansas being like, 180 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: thank you for making me feel less alone. That's truly 181 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: the dream, that's my only expect and that's basically guarantee. 182 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: I really it really is. And that's what's so great. 183 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: Like and the thing is, like, do you get bogged 184 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: down in the biz like of like so many things 185 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: like it's and then you realize, like when when someone 186 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: reaches out and they're like, hey, I was moved by 187 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: this and helped by this, and that's just the bare 188 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: minimum some people, like, especially with this movie, like and 189 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: I would love to for you to tell everyone like 190 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: what it's about and where it came from. But with 191 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: this movie, people are going to be really moved. And 192 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: I mean I was moved, and like I I just 193 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: I think I speak for like all queer people. I 194 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: just I just really want everyone to get on their 195 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: Paramount plus today or in the coming days and watch 196 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: this because it's really fucking great, really great. Thank you girls, 197 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: tell us what the movie is about, where it came from, 198 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: all this stuff. Just so. It's called three Months, um, 199 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: and it's loosely based on my homosexual life and it's 200 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: about just in case you guys didn't know, Matthew, write 201 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: that down. UM it's okay, yeah, we'll get to that. UM. 202 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: So don't mean to me. This is this is my 203 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: one chance to talk to your demo about what the 204 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: truth feels like. I said, Pink, no, but it's okay 205 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: the same the were allowed to sort of because we 206 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: gave Pink so much at the top of the episode, 207 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: we can humble her. Honestly, she deserves it. UM. So 208 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: it's basically it's called Three Months and it's about this 209 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: kid named Caleb who is graduating high school UM and 210 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: is going through a breakup and on the eve of 211 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: his graduation, he's exposed to HIV. Takes place in two 212 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: thousand eleven in South Florida and he has to wait 213 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: the three months it takes to find out what his 214 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: HIV status is and while he waits, he falls in 215 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: love with someone who's also waiting. UM. But it's like 216 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: a I know it sounds dark and there are serious 217 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: themes and topics, but it is a comedy. It's like 218 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: such a blast start to finish, UM. And it's a 219 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: story I like wrote almost a decade ago. But you 220 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: guys know how hard it is to get gay ship made. 221 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: It's like fucking impossible. And so this is like truly 222 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: the Catwoman of the game movie world, Like it's had 223 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: nine lives as a movie and then a TV show 224 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: and finally a movie again, and I think the weirdest 225 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: thing about it, and Matt was there the whole time, truly. 226 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: But you know, we went into production on March, not 227 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: sure if you girls remember what happened right after that. 228 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: That was a big storm there was. It was a storm, 229 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: Hurricane Rhona came and rained down on us UM and 230 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: we had to shut down after two weeks of filming. 231 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: And you know, we waited for seven months, never knowing 232 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: if we were actually going to finish. This is a 233 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: movie about waiting in uncertainty because of a virus, and 234 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: the movie was literally waiting and certainly never thematically connected that. Yeah, 235 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: it was a lot, and so you know, it's also 236 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: a movie about like waiting and how waiting is a 237 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: part of the human experience and you have to fight 238 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: for what you want and what you love while you wait. 239 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: And I felt like this was like I felt a 240 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: little bit not to be this egocentric, but a little 241 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: bit like job from the Bible, where like this was 242 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: my ultimate test to see if I could sort of 243 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: um encapsulate the feeling and the themes of the film 244 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: and fighting for it. So we came back and we 245 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: did and we finished and it's out today on Paramount Plus. 246 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: It's been crazy. I've only peripherally followed you on this 247 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: journey because I remember just like hearing the updates that like, oh, 248 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: like production shutdown of course because of COVID, and for 249 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: like the seven months intervening between that and when you 250 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: guys started up again, like I would be hanging out 251 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: with you and you show me, like, you know, pictures 252 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: from set from monitor like monitor shots and be like, 253 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: I don't know when we'll do it again, but look 254 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: at this, and I was like, that's the most gorgeous 255 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: shot I've ever seen. And I'm like, at that this, 256 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: and I remember for that period, what March t October, 257 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: just thinking, God, I really hope Jared gets to make 258 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: this again soon. And yeah, I know, of course, and 259 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: like it is not no one would begrudge you for 260 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: like comparing it to Joe, because it is filmmaking. When 261 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: you're especially in your position, it can only feel like 262 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: something of like biblical proportions because it's so fucking hard. 263 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: And I know it sounds like such an industry circle 264 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: Dirk kind of thing when people like talk about this 265 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: stuff like on either like we as actors Matt and 266 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: I talking about it like it's sometimes it feels a 267 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: little bit masturbatory, but it's like no, like when you're 268 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: in it, it really the stakes feels, for whatever reason, 269 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: so high, and this is to bring it back to you, 270 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: Like this was so laid in with like I don't know, 271 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: like hardship and all these different obstacles and for for 272 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: for this to be the product in the end is 273 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: so so so great. Thank you. Yeah, I mean it's 274 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: so painful, but like we it's going to be a 275 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: great year of like queer movies, which I don't think 276 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: people understand like how rare and heart it is. I mean, 277 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: we have amazing Fire Island coming out. There's bros, there's 278 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: three months. There's so many queer movies coming out this year. 279 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: And when I tell you again, it's just like near 280 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: fucking impossible to make that happen. And I don't know 281 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: what's going on. America is getting gay or thank god, um, 282 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: but the kids are going to be eating the little 283 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: the little fagolas, especially because it's on a paramount plus 284 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: which I feel like they're gonna watching All Stars and 285 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: then they're gonna be watching and they're gonna be flipping 286 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: back and forth. They're gonna be saying should we watch 287 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: on tuck or three months? That's what's gonna happen on Friday, 288 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: and hopefully they watched both at the same time. To TV. Yeah, yeah, 289 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: this is actually a huge hack, right yeah. Film, if 290 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: you're not watching three months, you are. But that's another 291 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: thing is just like it's it's so difficult to get 292 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: things made, and like obviously, like you can't necessarily be 293 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: super honest about like every single thing you go through 294 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: because it's like it's it's laden with so much stuff. 295 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: But when it's you, when it's something that's so close 296 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: your story, and the fact that like you know, you 297 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: hear sometimes in Hollywood or whatever, like you know, it 298 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: took forty years to make The Wife, you know what 299 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: I mean. Like it's like but like literally it's been 300 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: how many years. It's been nine years? Nine years, And 301 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: it was a show that was like supposed to go 302 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: and it was like all these different forms and etcetera. 303 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: And then you know you're making it and sometimes it 304 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: then the fucking pandemic and it just feels like one 305 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: thing after another. And meanwhile, it's anyone would be emotional 306 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: about investing that time energy into anything. But this is 307 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: like something that you said was semi autobiographic, super personal. Yeah. Yeah, 308 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: So basically when I was graduating from college, Um, I 309 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: went through experience and experience where I had sex with 310 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: someone who found out they were pausing a condom broke 311 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: and I had to wait to find out if I 312 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: had it too. And it was a really interesting time 313 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: in my life because the time before prep which was 314 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: which was time before panicked time, Like yeah, I mean 315 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: there's just the anxiety. You know. I feel like us 316 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: as gay men, we are programmed and hardwired to be 317 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: so scared of HIV and it was like the Boogeyman 318 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: growing up. I mean I remember coming out. One of 319 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: the first things, you know, people would say to me is, 320 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in the public school system 321 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: in Florida, so like truly trash on trash on trash, 322 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: but you know, we didn't have correct education at that 323 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: time to learn that. You know, when you have access 324 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: to medical care, HIV is no longer a death sentence 325 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: and you equals you and um, which is the line 326 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: I'm so happy we put in the movie UM, and 327 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: it's just it's it's you know, people can like fall 328 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: in love and live their dreams and do everything they've 329 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: always wanted to do. And I hope if people really 330 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: take that away from this film, because that was something 331 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: I had to take away and learn from that experience. 332 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: And um, you know, I don't know, I'm really excited 333 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: for people to see it. Man. Matt brought this up 334 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: last night Will Be Hung Out with You, and he 335 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: was like, you know, what's so so perfectly treated in 336 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: this movie is the way that the HIV concept is 337 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: never so heavily presented. You know, It's like this character 338 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: Caleb is just thinking about it in terms of like wow, 339 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: like it's it's it's ever that fatal. And so he's 340 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 1: and like as he's like on this journey of like 341 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: kind of you know, reckoning with this potentiality of him 342 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: being a TV positive, he's watching the real world San 343 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: Francisco and going wow, Like there's this like actual application, 344 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: that lived in experience of someone who is a j 345 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: V positive living his life in a very complete, fulfilled way. 346 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: And like I feel like it's you. You. You weave 347 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: these things and bring them together so well that like 348 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: it never feels like something that's like the stakes are 349 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: like so so bleak. There's no there's no despairing in 350 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: his journey, which I think is so unbelievably rare freed. 351 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's it's unbelievably so so so like, 352 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: I don't know what am I trying to say, like 353 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: graceful of you think that it's it's really it feels 354 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: like it feels like a first Yeah, it felt so 355 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: novel because I think that when when when people are 356 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: going to hear like it's a it's a comedy, it's 357 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: a it's a it's a drama about you know, the 358 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: potential of contracting HIV and it's a young person. It's like, oh, 359 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: like and I think we are sort of triggered by 360 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: the letters HIV to think, oh sad, you know, because 361 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: there's so much despairing and there's so much tragedy, and 362 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, I actually had an extremely We recently viewed 363 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: Fire Island again and I had an extremely emotional reaction 364 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: because it's hard to not reckon with. It's just it's something. 365 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: It's a part of the fabric of being queer communal history. Yes, 366 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: And so that's what I love about this movie too, 367 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: is it's it's sort of saying like his doctor is 368 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: never looking at him in the eyes and being like 369 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: this is really serious, you know what I mean, Like 370 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: can you speak to that? Yeah? I mean played by 371 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: the amazing Who's my Hamilton's God. He is the nicest 372 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: the most time. I mean I I basically wrote this 373 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: part for him, and he was one of the first 374 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: people we cast in the film openly HIV positive and 375 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: just a huge inspiration for me. But you know, it's 376 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: all about tone, right, Like tone was in Tone was 377 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: paramount and and figuring out the balance and the type 378 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: paramount plus um. But like Walking, the tight rope of 379 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: tone was really important because I wanted this to be 380 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: a hopeful film for people. I wanted it to be fun, 381 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: but I also wanted to talk about things that are 382 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: important to me and things that I've learned. And you know, 383 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: this is really a movie that I wished I could 384 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: have had when I was growing up as a kid, 385 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: and that was top of mind. But for me, it's 386 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: all about tone, tone, tone. My favorite movies are ones 387 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: that walk that that that tight wrote, you know what 388 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean, Like Juno was a huge tonal inspiration I was, 389 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: and it's the same it's people who produced it. Yeah, 390 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: so like in a very full circle moment, the producers 391 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: of Juneo read the script after other producers had dropped 392 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: out in one of the you know deaths, and they 393 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: invited me over like the day after they read it, 394 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: and they were like, we want to help you make 395 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: this movie with MTV Studios. And it was truly a 396 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: dream come true because, um, I remember it not a spoiler, 397 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: but this was one of the things I was thinking 398 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: you up for My culture was Juno because I was like, 399 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: unfortunately a gross Tracy flick in high school where I 400 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: like needed to get every straight a and be captain 401 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: of everything so I could get the funk out of Florida. 402 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: It was a lot of that's little best little boy 403 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: in the world, in the world. Yes, um and uh. 404 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: The only time I ever skipped school was to go 405 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: to the theater and see Juno when I was a senior, 406 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: and my mind was truly blown. And obviously that character 407 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: is straight, but there's something about Elliott's performance where it 408 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: felt inherently there was something about it where I just 409 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: couldn't put my finger on it, but I was so 410 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: affected by it, and it was the first time as 411 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: a kid, I had seen a film that talked about 412 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: something that was somewhat taboo or something that wasn't often 413 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: talked about in a way that was funny and light 414 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: and hopeful and accessible, and I was like, oh, I 415 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: want to do that. I want to emulate that and 416 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: and tell important stories, but you know, with a nice 417 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: little lip sync in a mini mart with fucking my 418 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: favorite pop star in the whole godsdamn world. Yeah, let's 419 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: talk about that for a second. Because the this, this, 420 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: the situation is it stars Troy Savon, who is again 421 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: like it feels like a meeting of project and star, 422 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: which I'm so excited for him and for you, the 423 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: creator of this movie, because I personally I think he's 424 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: so talented, but did not know he was capable of this. 425 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I just love to see it. I mean, 426 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: he gives such a understated yet like complex performance because 427 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: he is scared, he is afraid. I mean, you are 428 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: living in a place of fear that entire time, but 429 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: yet he still carries with him a lightness and he 430 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: is just so comfortable with the comedy and with your writing. 431 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: And I mean, I think I can't. I'm not I'm 432 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: not I don't think I'm saying anything crazy when I 433 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: say Diablo is obviously an influence and you're writing like 434 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: there is like a lot of um yeah, right, there's 435 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: a lot of punch and writing and you have to 436 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: be a funny performer. And like I did not know, 437 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: Like you wouldn't look at Troy Savon on stage singing 438 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: my My May and bloom and think he's gonna be 439 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: really funny actor, you know what? And yet he is 440 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: And can you speak to working with him and how 441 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: he got involved? Yeah? So, I mean the thing with 442 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: Caleb is I wrote the kid I wished I could 443 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: have been in high school. Um, And Troy is literally 444 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: just the kid I wished I could have been in 445 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: high school. He's so effortlessly cool and just embodied every 446 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: element of this character. And um, the love interest Esta, 447 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: played by the Vet Colera. Um, he's fantastic. He's like, 448 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: it's really insane, how incredible of a capital a actor 449 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: he is. But I I was an Esta growing up. 450 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: You know what that monologue he gives, Oh I I, 451 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I related so hard. I'm well, that's 452 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: my bet, that's my that's me. I've never written from 453 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 1: the heart like I have with that monologue, like just 454 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: about shame and you know, being trying to be the 455 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: perfect little gay boy, so that this other part of 456 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: me that I'm scared of, I'm scared for everyone to see, um, 457 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: trying to overcome and safe for that. Um and just 458 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: the way he access that was crazy. So you know 459 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: that's who I was in high school. I was an 460 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: Esta and Troy just like he just got it. First 461 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: of all, he's like a nice Jewish boy, which we 462 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: obviously immediately connected on that, but um, he's like I know, 463 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: it's like woman who gets it or whatever, but like 464 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: he's like a gay who gets it. And you wouldn't 465 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: necessarily think that because you know, he is this pop star, 466 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: he is larger than life and cool. But when you 467 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: meet him, he's just like he's very you know, he 468 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: could be at a bar on a Saturday night, you know, 469 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: like chatting a chatting a way. So it was it 470 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: was really it was really cool. And he's such a 471 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: hard worker and um, you know he started off and 472 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: acting right right, And I think that people don't know 473 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: that this baby Wolverine. Yeah I didn't know that until 474 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: this moment. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes queer as icons? 475 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: Should we cut that? Just kidding? I think we should 476 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: leave it him. I'm no comments. Troy is amazing in 477 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: the film, and that That's another thing. Is I I 478 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: forget like or I I understand more and more and 479 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: more work. It's like the director is everything. So what's 480 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: your working relationship with him? Like, like what's that? Like, 481 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: what's that duet? Like? I mean, it's it's really fun 482 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: for me. The thing that that surprised me the most 483 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: about directing that I did not know it is like 484 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: you think people come in with their like huge megaphone 485 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: and they just like give orders and like everyone and 486 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: like there is a little bit of that, but it 487 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: really is just like about listening to people. And I 488 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: feel like I've always been a really great listener. As 489 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, I was in a relationship with Matt Rogers, 490 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: so um, that is a prerequisite. Um I only get 491 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: three of those, so that was one. Um. But you know, 492 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: it's it's I'm a I'm a really good listener. I'm 493 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: a really good collaborator. And basically, you know, we just 494 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: got to the emotional truth of the scene. But the funny, 495 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: the funny thing about Troy is, you know, this is 496 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: the first time he's doing a comedy, so you know, 497 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: you're obviously talking about serious themes. And then I would 498 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: I would have to like constantly remind him. I was like, no, no, no, 499 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: but this is a funny scene, and he'd be like, oh, 500 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: all right, and we would just sort of work through 501 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: tone first, and um. You know, there's also a lot 502 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: of different um characters with different identities and backgrounds. And 503 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm also someone who like defers to the actors lived 504 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: experience for that for that part, Like with the ve 505 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: guy rewrote this role almost every single day, every single 506 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: the monologues, all the stuff, because he was like, well, 507 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: this is more true to my experience as an Indian person. 508 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: With Brianna was like, this is more true to my 509 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: experience as an Indonesian Chinese American. You know, same thing 510 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: with Lucasa Jr. As a as an African American. So 511 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: with with Troy. You know, Judaism plays a huge part 512 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: in this movie, and um it delves into like the 513 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: Orthodox communities relationship with queerness, which is not always spoiler 514 00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: alert um cute um. So it was basically like, so listen, 515 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: my dad's religious Jew and I would love to put 516 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: something in here that reflected like Judaism in a positive light. 517 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: And so there's a there's a sequence out when they're 518 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: on a playground and they're underneath and basically Esta says 519 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: te Quayleb, do you like being Jewish? And he sort 520 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: of went into that too. So it is like a 521 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: back and forth. To me, it is like such a 522 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: blessing to be able to work with some of your 523 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: idols and all these creative people and finding the best answer. 524 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: And it's never it's never solely in your brain. It 525 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: is like a symphony of Yeah, I was thinking about 526 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: you in a way. I'm not in a way. I 527 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: just was literally thinking about you as I was watching 528 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: the movie and going wow, I just really I really 529 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: can so clearly picture Jared being on set with Ellen, Judy, Troy, 530 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: like Lou like all of these people that like I'm 531 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: sure you've like looked up to you and like we're 532 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: so excited to work with and going yeah, like all 533 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: I see it so clearly like you being this like 534 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: steady presence on in that environment, going knowing how to 535 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: sort of catered all them, make them feel cared for. 536 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: I mean, like I feel like you are very much 537 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: a caretaker. You know, that's so funny that you mentioned that, 538 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: because there are roses and there are a gardener flowers, 539 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: and as you know, Matthew Rogers, flower on flower and flower, 540 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: that's what That's what happens when your en Pisces rising, 541 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: Pisces cancer Moon. Honey, I'm a Leo rising Leo, and 542 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: I should be a flower, and at times I am 543 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: a flower. But um, I mean when Ellen first stepped 544 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: on set and did her first scene, I was literally 545 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: clutching my producer's arms and being like, never let me 546 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: forget this moment. It's, I mean, just one of the 547 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,479 Speaker 1: reasons I wanted to become a filmmaker. Like her movies, 548 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, Alison Fucking The Exorcist and Last Picture Show. 549 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: I was like, I can't believe this person is here 550 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: saying my lines like she means them. And it was like, truly, 551 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: truly share. That character is so great. Yeah, based off 552 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: my own grandma, who I literally lost in the middle 553 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: of the pandemic, who never got to see the film. 554 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: So it's like one of these things where it's just 555 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: like I wanted to do her proud, but like Ellen 556 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: like emulated her hair in her Brooklyn accent, and we 557 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: worked so hard on character to figure out how she 558 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: could like inhabit this character who was essentially my grandma, 559 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: which is again like so trippy. I mean, pinch me, 560 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: like take it with me until like Croaks or five. 561 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: So when you watch the film, what is your biggest regret? 562 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: When I watched the film, I think that there's I 563 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: feel like there's so here's the scene that was cut 564 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: that I feel so, here's the team. Someone flew all 565 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: the way out to Atlanta. When I was in pre 566 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: production of this film three months, I was dating what 567 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: I would call an actor at the time. Um, and 568 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: I identify I as an actors as an actor for 569 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: two days he identified as a dancer. And I'll get 570 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: to that later. Oh yeah, and I think we're going 571 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: to bring that up job. Okay, don't prank me and 572 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: expect me not to bring it up on your path. 573 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: I brought it up. I mentioned it all. Yeah, Okay, 574 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: well I haven't so. Um there Matt was. We were 575 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: talking about it and I wanted Matt to visit me 576 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: on set and I was like, there is this role, 577 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: but it's probably gonna get cut. I told you in advance. 578 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: You did tell me in advance, but I thought I 579 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: did such a stunning performance. What I will say, certainly, 580 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: it would be what I will say. Here's what i'll say. 581 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say. Matt and Troy great scene partners, Great, incredible, 582 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: We're in a moment. Yeah. Basically the scene was like 583 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: Troy comes up to the bar in orders to drink 584 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: and he has like a shitty fake idea and I'm 585 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: this bartender and I was like, um, I look at 586 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: the idea and I know it's fake, but I give 587 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: him drink anyway, and I'm like hitting on him and 588 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, like, um, you shouldn't hit on me. 589 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm over there with like these the pause people, and 590 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: then I reveal that I'm pausing. It's not a big deal. 591 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: I have an extremely active sex life. And it was 592 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: like a cute little interplay between us. And then like, um, 593 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: because he's like a dick to me, I'm like you 594 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: better tip and I go away, just a little cameo. 595 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: But when I say that, like, it's so interesting to watch, 596 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, Troy do comedy in that way because you 597 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: like impropt a little. And later I was told not 598 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: to improvise. They didn't have time. It depends on you. 599 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: Matt is such a great improviser, such a great comedic actor, 600 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: and like when I tell you that, Troy like leveled 601 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: up with the comedy in that moment. And what I think, 602 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: and I've never told you this, but Judy Greer shot 603 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: two days after literally Judy grew the kind of she 604 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 1: flew in when like everyone was like COVID, COVID was 605 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: like as the world was collapsing. We shot her out 606 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: the last two days Thursday Friday, her first day there. 607 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: We were like, I'll never forget. We were all sitting 608 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: in that fucking mini mart and we were like Tom 609 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: Hanks has come when we like, not Tom, you know 610 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: what I mean? And it was it was whatever, but 611 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,959 Speaker 1: duty of course improv of the ship out of that scene, 612 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: and Troy was prepared for that because I think of 613 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: your little moment with him, and it's such a great 614 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: scene and maybe we'll put it on YouTube as a 615 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: deleted scene. But Matthew was excellent. It was fun and 616 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: obviously I wanted to come visit you anyway, And actually 617 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: was Valentine's Day it was, which leads me to I 618 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: won't say who it was, but we shared you you 619 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: were sharing who it was, but a huge star was 620 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: it was in the state. Was it like a duplex, 621 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: So you were in one half of the duplex and 622 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: this gigantic star was in the other half of the 623 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: duke plex. Suffice it to say, we heard this celebrity, 624 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: unnamed celebrity getting railed so hard one night it was insane. 625 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: Do you remember can you can you emulate the sound? 626 00:33:54,080 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: Do your park sound? It was like it was. It was. 627 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: It was like a porg from Star Wars. It's most perturbed, 628 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: it was. And we were like, let's be louder, and 629 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: we were like, we can't do that. The last thing 630 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: I'll say, the only hands I'll give is it was 631 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: no she was, she was, but she was getting absolutely railed. 632 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: And while I was there, I spoke to this person 633 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: on the phone because uh, I know I told you 634 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: this in edible arrangement that your mom sent us was 635 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: accidentally picked up by this individual, and so she called 636 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: because the phone was there, and I spoke with her 637 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: on the phone and she was it was her, and 638 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: she was like I literally was like, oh, I'll come 639 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: out and meet you. I'll come out and take it 640 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: from you. She goes, oh no, no, no no, I left 641 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: it on the on the doorstop, no worries, and I 642 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, thank you so much. She was like, 643 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: all right, well enjoy it. It It looks so good. And 644 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: then I brought it and we did not get to 645 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: talk to this huge celebrity because people be shooting in Atlanta. 646 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: Of course. Um, I want to bring up one thing 647 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: that I loved and then another thing that I think 648 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: is curious that I think will open up another discussion. Okay, 649 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: So the first thing is talk about because I brought 650 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: this up to you last night, and talk about this 651 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: love scene between between Troy and Vivek or between Caleb 652 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: and Esta. I am obsessed with this love scene where 653 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: they finally decide to be intimate together despite like you know, 654 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: them sort of having this pending you know, situation happened, 655 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: and the way it was shot, the way it was 656 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: just like choreographed and composed, I was like, I don't 657 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: think I've seen this. I don't think i've seen this 658 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: in film like an adolescent queer sexual experience. Felt that 659 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: felt real and so and yet so delicate and like 660 00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: careful and interest even more soul into my second thing, 661 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: which is what was the choice behind making Caleb Hay 662 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: Taylor swept Okay, Okay, so, I mean it's so nice 663 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: to hear you say that that was the scene I 664 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: worked the hardest on. Um. We like it was painstaking. 665 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean truly, just with my producers in the trailer, 666 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: even like minutes before being like, okay, we have to 667 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: sort of READO the shot list because it needs to 668 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: be more honest, it needs to be more awkward, and 669 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: needs to be more comedic. But for me, it was 670 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: just sort of like, as a queer man, like, I 671 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: feel like we have interesting ideas about what sex needs 672 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,959 Speaker 1: to be. It's so like God, I mean, I porn 673 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: is not like ruined anything for me for something some 674 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: people say that. I think it's just curate a very 675 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: specific image in my head for sure, And and this 676 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: is maybe what you're talking about. Yeah, I just feel 677 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: like sex is, like you know, there's this notion of 678 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: like penetrative counts. If it's not penetrative, it doesn't count. 679 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: But I think sex is how you define it, And 680 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: for me, it was just trying to create like intimacy 681 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: between these two people who are going through the set 682 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: of experiences who want to share each other physically. Um, 683 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I wanted to make sure again tone tone, tone, 684 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,760 Speaker 1: every scene. It was like, we have to stay on tone. 685 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,439 Speaker 1: And you know, there was a version of the scene 686 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: that was like hot and sexy and whatever, but that 687 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: didn't feel authentic. And there was a scene where it 688 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: was like like welcome to the clown car, first day 689 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: in my body, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know 690 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: that sometimes, I mean, especially when you're nineteen. Yeah. And 691 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: so I just wanted to create something that felt sweet 692 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: and intimate that was also funny and real. But the 693 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: popcorn element of it was actually something I did with 694 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: my college boyfriend, who is obsessed with both of you, 695 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: and he thought I was so cool when I started 696 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,439 Speaker 1: dating Matt because he listens to this podcast Hi Andy. Um, 697 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it was like just something we did 698 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: with like popcorn. We were like obsessed with popcorn in 699 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: my junior year or whatever, and like we just did 700 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: it and I was like, what a And it just 701 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: became a metaphor, like popcorn means more than in just 702 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: that scene. It's like a running um symbol through the 703 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: film for STA. But um, it was just it was 704 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: it was funny and hot and all these different things 705 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: and I'm really excited for people to see it. Troy 706 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: also like loves that scene. He was like, I look 707 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: good in that scene, and I was like, good all 708 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: the time. Sucking Venus as a boy. I mean, he's 709 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: like a savage fenty mob Like it's crazy, like he 710 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: really has such a striking, like like god given like 711 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: movie star look. And the thing too, is what I 712 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: thought was so funny was this when they were shooting 713 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: the Minimore stuff, like they're just scene where they get 714 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: stoned into Anymore and um, Troy and Brianne, who I 715 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: don't want to lose saying, is so good. She is 716 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: incredible comedy for sure. I mean and Troy player of 717 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,359 Speaker 1: each other. So funny. She's a movie very very like 718 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: thick stardom vibe. But anyway, um, there's a scene where 719 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: they get stoned and started to dance around them anymore 720 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: And I remember you texted me and being like, yeah, 721 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: we actually had to tell Troy to be less of 722 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: like a magnetic pop star because it's like to explain it, well, 723 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: there's just like, first of all, we like that was 724 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: like such running gun because that was the last thing 725 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: we shot during the day before we had a shut 726 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,280 Speaker 1: down for seven months. So it was like I told Channon, 727 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: and who's my DP, who is number one obsessed with 728 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: Matt thought he was the most gorgeous person she'd ever seen. Um, 729 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,399 Speaker 1: And I was like, you're wrong, just kidding um and uh. 730 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: We were like light the whole fucking store. And Bruce 731 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: her her husband, who was also our b cam operator, 732 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: just like fucking followed them around as the world was 733 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: truly falling on our heads. It was like such a 734 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: weird mix of emotions because it's such a joyful experience. 735 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 1: And then on the other hand, I was like, God, 736 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: I hope this virus doesn't kill my family. Like that's 737 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: where we were at that moment. It was like the 738 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: house Yeah, yeah, uncertainty, the house down, boot um with 739 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: gloves and a mask and yeah, and try was just 740 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: like being Troy. He was like having fun in the moment. 741 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh my god, he's so magnetic, 742 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: but he's literally and and he's coming off as an 743 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: international pop superstar and like not this little fucker from 744 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: from Florida. So we had to cut around a lot 745 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: of it too. And I remember when we first he 746 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: first saw the first cut of the movie because usually 747 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: I don't show actors working cut. We should not be honestly, 748 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: it's none of your business. But actually right, But the 749 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: more the longer I work in this business, the more 750 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: I hear about, oh, you know that person, that actor, 751 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: she needs to see playback is different. Well, playback. I 752 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: think it's annoying. I think actors should not be It's 753 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: such a disrespective it's it's it depends on who it is. 754 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: But just they have no business seeing cuts because you 755 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,399 Speaker 1: don't want actors to get in their heads and it's 756 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: still a working cut, and you're not coming in with 757 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,240 Speaker 1: an objective perspective. And when you show someone a working cut, 758 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: the objective is how do I make the movie better? Right, 759 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: and like the movie, not a particular performance necessarily, but 760 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: the movie as a whole. So you want people who 761 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: are objective. But anyway, Troy had to see it because 762 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,240 Speaker 1: he was writing music for it. He was writing songs 763 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: and one of his only notes for the many more 764 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: sequences like um, I look like a pop star here, 765 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, you do, and so we had 766 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: to continue to sort of cut around it. He's here, 767 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: in touch with his presence and like I mean, I 768 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: still think about him in the My My video and 769 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: he's not even doing that much. He's kind of just like, 770 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, kind of standing still in in 771 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: a in a storm, but like the in the bridge, 772 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: there's a shot of him upside down in red light 773 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: and then I got my name on this church, on 774 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: this church, and like he just has It's so crazy, 775 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: is shocking. So we just cut a music video that 776 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: will come out today for Wait, which is the second 777 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: and we should say the two songs that he did 778 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,439 Speaker 1: for the film, which are Trouble and we are like 779 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,240 Speaker 1: both absolutely honestly, Like, I know it's coming out earlier 780 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: in the year if if There's justice at the end 781 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: of the year. Wait is in the Oscar conversation because 782 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,879 Speaker 1: it is so beautiful things and like, I just want 783 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: to put that out there in the world, because you know, 784 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: he's got very close to a nomination for his song 785 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: from Boy or Race, which is also beautiful, but this 786 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 1: is such a beautiful encapsulation of the song on the experience, 787 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: So it's just amazing. It's amazing. Basically, like when we 788 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: were thinking about music for the film and what he 789 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: would write, and he was going through his head because 790 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: he he wrote the songs from Caleb's perspective, which like 791 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: as the biggest choice of aon fan, like I was 792 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: at his first show at the Roxy and like Mads, 793 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 1: like I was like, unfortunately a gross stand um and 794 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: now he's my sister, which is such a gift. But 795 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: basically I was like, I want you to write a 796 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: song about waiting because that's the experience of the film. 797 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: That's the universal element that people will tap into. And 798 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: he did. And in this music video that we cut, 799 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: there's so many scenes and sequences um from the film 800 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: that didn't make it. And there's this one really cool 801 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,359 Speaker 1: up all night montage where he can't sleep and it's 802 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,760 Speaker 1: all the stuff Caleb does in his room until the sunrise. Wow, 803 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: I would have loved to see that. And it's in 804 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 1: time laps. Channon on and I shot it in time laps, 805 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: so like it felt. Music video was honestly a departure 806 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,760 Speaker 1: structurally from the rest of the film, so it almost 807 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: didn't even fit in from a structural structural place. But 808 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,799 Speaker 1: I mean this this movie is like Montage City. I'm 809 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: obsessed with montages. It's also a movie about times. So 810 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna says it works, it lends itself thematically. But 811 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm so excited we got to use it and we 812 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: turned it into a short film and we just showed 813 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: Troy the cut this morning and he lost his mind. 814 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: He's so happy. It's I'm so excited for people to 815 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: see it. But yeah, he I hate this phrase because 816 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 1: I think it's so obnoxious. But he holds the frame 817 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: like he carries. He doesn't have to do ship. It's crazy. 818 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: Some people do and some people don't. He's got it. 819 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: We said the same thing about Jole He I mean, 820 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: hottest person in America jk Um. The theme of waiting 821 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: is so perfectly I don't know, like encapsulated, and I 822 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: just think that's a really hard thing to pull off 823 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: in a movie waiting. How do how do you be compelling? 824 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: But there's something in the sort of uh timeline of 825 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: waiting for uh like an HIV diagnosis to come back 826 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: that also just like I think you treated very very 827 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: very well. Thank you. Well, you know, it's really interesting. 828 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm like not an actor, like even being here talking 829 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: on this podcast, I'm like truly sweating. I'm so nervous. 830 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: But um, something I learned the most about writing in 831 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,800 Speaker 1: an acting class I was forced to take in college, 832 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: which is basically like it's objective based, right, Like you 833 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: have to give someone an objective, and for me, it's 834 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: impossible for me to write characters that are not active. 835 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 1: And so something that's funny that happened is I sort 836 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: of overdid it because it is a movie about waiting. 837 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: And then during the pandemic, when all I was doing 838 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,919 Speaker 1: was no now something we're so familiar with. Yeah, well, 839 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 1: all I was doing was sort of smoking weed and 840 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 1: getting high with Matthew and eating donuts that his mom, 841 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: Katrina would send, and we gained a lot of Basically 842 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: we were like just binging Survivor and eating doughnuts and 843 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,720 Speaker 1: smoking weed. And I was like, there's not a moment 844 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: in this movie where Caleb goes through that. And so 845 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: I wrote this entire thread in the middle of the 846 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: pandemic and we already shot half of it where he's 847 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 1: I was like, he needs to binge something, but we 848 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: have no money. What can we get for free? And 849 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, the real world. And 850 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 1: then he and I was like, it's such an important 851 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,799 Speaker 1: thing for me for this film to honor the queer 852 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: generations that came before us. It's so paramount plus and 853 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: um and uh. Pedro was the first openly paused person 854 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: ever on television. It was the first same sex commitment 855 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: ceremony ever televised. And the the ability and the honor 856 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 1: of putting that in the movie is something I'm like, 857 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: very very grateful for. And um yeah, just we're all 858 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: waiting right now, So I hope it resonates with people absolutely. 859 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: And I think that opening I remember even reading when 860 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: you sent me the screenplay, I like read it, um, 861 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: and I just that that first that opening image just 862 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: stuck with me. It's so indelible where it's like it's 863 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: him waiting at and this is not a spoiler the 864 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,320 Speaker 1: first thing you see in the movie, but it's Caleb 865 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: on a tandem bicycle by himself, waiting for this gate 866 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,760 Speaker 1: to open up, basically like a bridge or strawbridge. Strawbridge. 867 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,839 Speaker 1: Yeah sorry, And God just likes just so perfect for me. 868 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: I like this is I love movies. It's like with novels, 869 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: where the first sentence of a novel tells you everything 870 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: you need to know about about the novel. I love 871 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: movies where the first shot tells you everything you need 872 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: to know, and he's on a tandem bike alone waiting 873 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 1: for this bridge to come down and get to the 874 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: other side. And that's just what the movie. And then 875 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:45,879 Speaker 1: not to spoil I mean, I feel like the best 876 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: films sort of a very aware of the first in 877 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: the last image of the main character, in the last 878 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: image of of Caleb is just really really perfect, perfectly 879 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: said against the first you know, as a Tracy flick. 880 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm a symmetry girl. So like the beginning of the 881 00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: movie mirrors the end of the movie with one very 882 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 1: work difference. Yes, I won't give it away, but but 883 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: I never I never go, oh, it's too on the 884 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 1: nose for the symmetry to be that apparent. I think, No, 885 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: that is like satisfying. It's so satisfying, and you have 886 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,240 Speaker 1: to it's sort of necessary if you want the character 887 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: are to be something that the audience can walk away from, 888 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 1: which is that's the most important exactly. So I just 889 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: want to go back to one thing that I was 890 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,359 Speaker 1: told I was not allowed to make my culture because 891 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: you guys talk about it too much on the podcast already, 892 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: but it taor it was Taylor talk. First of all, 893 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: I didn't tell him that he couldn't do anything, Okay, 894 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,719 Speaker 1: I said, he was deciding between two things. We can 895 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: talk about Taylor absolutely, what are you doing? Are you? 896 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,879 Speaker 1: First of all, I'm not doing anything. Are you transitioning 897 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: out of this topic to go to culture? But that 898 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: was our culture was for me. I just want to 899 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: talk about Taylor really quickly and that we can transition 900 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: to whatever that was. That was my second I want 901 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: to say before we before we get into this. I 902 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: did not tell him anything. He said, I have two 903 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,240 Speaker 1: ideas for culture. You are muscle. I don't micro manage Jared. 904 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 1: You are a musseler. He gave me two ideas for culture, 905 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 1: and one of them was Taylor. And I said, if 906 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 1: you're deciding between the two, we talk about Taylor a lot, 907 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: but Jared is the biggest swifty in the room, and 908 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of our listeners are swift. Okay, 909 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: So say what you want to say, mama. Okay. So 910 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: I was asking about the decision to make Caleb and Taylor. 911 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: So the first thing that I'll say is, when I 912 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,959 Speaker 1: was writing this, it was a very emotional experience because 913 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,080 Speaker 1: it's a very honest screenplay, and I felt too close 914 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: to Caleb and it was fucking me the funk up. 915 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, how do I make this kid 916 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 1: someone who is definitively not me? And I was like, 917 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: oh my god, he doesn't like Taylor Swift because I 918 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,359 Speaker 1: am so deeply and grossly obsessed with her. Anyone you meet, 919 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 1: it's like, my personality is Taylor Swift. One percent is 920 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,840 Speaker 1: being a Jewish person with a weak stomach. That's truly 921 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,279 Speaker 1: all there is to me. A very simple math, and 922 00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 1: this is did the movie takes place. It was very 923 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 1: easy to rag on where it was, Please don't be 924 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: in love with someone else. Please don't have somebody waiting 925 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 1: on you. I mean when I went in twelve, I 926 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,759 Speaker 1: placed top five out of ten thousand contestants in the 927 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift Biggest Fan Contest because I wrote a fifteen 928 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,960 Speaker 1: page essay and I met her at the basement of 929 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,120 Speaker 1: the Staples Center and she is absolutely perfect. And my 930 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: favorite joke from that essay is at what when I 931 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 1: was talking about why Taylor and I were the same 932 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,959 Speaker 1: because Red, which was the album is of the color 933 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,839 Speaker 1: that's also in my name j R. E. D. You're 934 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: welcome but and I was like, oh my god, the window. 935 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,839 Speaker 1: But feeling when you got a color in the name 936 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 1: honey just me and friend? No no, no no. Um. 937 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: So I basically went up to Taylor Swift and it 938 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,720 Speaker 1: was like, um, I was like, thank you for writing 939 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,360 Speaker 1: twenty two because I'm also twenty two. And she was like, 940 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 1: oh my god, you're so funny. And I was like, 941 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm not everyone, but in my essay, I was like, 942 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: at one point we both love the Jonas brothers. At 943 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,319 Speaker 1: another point we both got over that, and I was like, 944 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 1: oh my god, that person, but um no, it's bad, 945 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 1: but I'm obsessed with her and and so you made 946 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,919 Speaker 1: that and so that was that was a character sort 947 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,759 Speaker 1: of texture on Kayla. And because friends with Taylor, it's 948 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,880 Speaker 1: like it's it's a funny wing. Well. He also like 949 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,319 Speaker 1: randles the lines by her to be like did he 950 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: really yeah, because I was because you were talking about 951 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,279 Speaker 1: maybe the fact that she would see it, or like 952 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: that he was going to maybe show it to her 953 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: or something, and I was like, well, the character doesn't 954 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 1: like her, Well what the line is? Fuck you for 955 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,239 Speaker 1: making me like Taylor sweat end up like her once 956 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,120 Speaker 1: like they fall in love. The catalyst for their me 957 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,360 Speaker 1: cute is because they like the connection is Taylor because 958 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 1: he says a line that is the truest thing about me, 959 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 1: which is sometimes I feel like she steals my journal 960 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: and writes about my life, which is why I love Taylor. 961 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,799 Speaker 1: I think everyone feels like that, which is why she's 962 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 1: such a great right. I mean for me, And I 963 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 1: know you guys talk about this on the podcast all 964 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,719 Speaker 1: the time, but as like a closeted gay kid. When 965 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 1: I first fell in love with her when I was sixteen, 966 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,239 Speaker 1: when our song came out and Tim McGraw came out, 967 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, the only emotion that resonates with 968 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: me is pining, because I'm someone who has unrequited love, 969 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,839 Speaker 1: and it's you know, I'm closet else anyone else, shining, yearning, wanting, 970 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: um and um. She's able to synthesize that with a 971 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,279 Speaker 1: lyric and a sound sonically that just is such an 972 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,440 Speaker 1: incredible marriage that is so specific and so detail oriented 973 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,879 Speaker 1: but also universal and just stays with you for fucking ever. 974 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,920 Speaker 1: And I've seen her fifteen times and I'm so nervous 975 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,879 Speaker 1: for her to see this film. I hope she likes it. 976 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,760 Speaker 1: And um, she's my entire life, but she's not my culture. 977 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 1: And you know what, accurately, she's not my culture. Jared Freeder, 978 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,239 Speaker 1: what is the culture that made you say cultures? For me? 979 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: What a moment. Imagine you're a dea, you pranced in along, 980 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,200 Speaker 1: you spot a brook, you put your lips to the 981 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,960 Speaker 1: clistically of water, and bay, I'm a fucking bullet goes 982 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:02,560 Speaker 1: through your brain. It's this really he does every line 983 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,760 Speaker 1: famous Filia Mud has a Chinese food. Literally my favorite movie. 984 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: It was something that like I I bonded with my family, 985 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: Like my family were from Florida. I'm from Miami, but 986 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 1: we're Brooklyn Jews who basically they snowbirded with. My grandparents 987 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,959 Speaker 1: never left because there was a beach and it was warm. 988 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:22,480 Speaker 1: So my my parents are you know, Vinny and Mona, 989 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:27,320 Speaker 1: Lisa Vito and what a good name cousins, brothers, uncles. 990 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,480 Speaker 1: First of all, my family is on the car business 991 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 1: like my like that she says in the movie. My 992 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,080 Speaker 1: father is in the cab of business, my brother, my 993 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 1: uncle on my father's side, like I'm the only one 994 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,839 Speaker 1: who's not in the car business, and we can quote it. 995 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,279 Speaker 1: It made us feel alive and like family. And it 996 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 1: was also like the first movie I stand where it 997 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 1: had life or death stakes, but it was funny. And 998 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:53,240 Speaker 1: the thing that made the protagonist and outsider is also 999 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,239 Speaker 1: the thing that saves the day in the end, which 1000 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,360 Speaker 1: in my opinion is very queer. That which makes you 1001 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 1: different is actually your superpower. It is interesting, you've never 1002 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,320 Speaker 1: seen wow, and this is this is actually a huge 1003 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,319 Speaker 1: moment because my cousin Vinnie is really good and talk 1004 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,600 Speaker 1: about talk about a great script like it's so it's 1005 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 1: just it's really good. And and Joe past she is incredible. 1006 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,319 Speaker 1: But the story of it is Marissa Toma, I mean 1007 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,920 Speaker 1: Marissa Tomay as Mona Lisa Vito. She won the Oscar. 1008 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,799 Speaker 1: People don't think there are still people out there who 1009 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,640 Speaker 1: don't think it's true that she won, right That is 1010 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,839 Speaker 1: like Mandela fact new Mandela effect is dropped. People really 1011 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 1: don't think that you want people really don't think she 1012 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 1: won because they're convinced that up against her competition, which 1013 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 1: was like all older British dramatic actresses that year, it 1014 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,800 Speaker 1: was like it was like Lynn Redgraves, like a year. 1015 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,759 Speaker 1: Although it's a big part. So it's like, I mean, 1016 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,399 Speaker 1: she's number two on the call. She clear like, but 1017 00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:01,520 Speaker 1: she's like the female lead, but she is so fucking 1018 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 1: funny and it and she absolutely crushes like six comedic 1019 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 1: set pieces and she is the climax of oh my God, 1020 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,759 Speaker 1: and it's just like you gotta see this. She was 1021 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,320 Speaker 1: the first drag queen I ever saw. That's how I 1022 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,760 Speaker 1: feel about that performance. I was like, she's fabulous, she's smart, 1023 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 1: I want to be hurt. She's sexy, heightened version of 1024 00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,719 Speaker 1: femininity that you haven't seen. It was unbelievable, and to 1025 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,799 Speaker 1: this day it also like makes all these lists of 1026 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: movies that get um law like accurately. That's true. Yea, 1027 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,840 Speaker 1: It's like it's like accurate in terms of like how 1028 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,800 Speaker 1: a court case like that would play out, like it 1029 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,439 Speaker 1: sort of predates, like I guess legally blonde in that way, 1030 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,080 Speaker 1: Like wasn't that accurate. It wasn't shade, but Vinnie is 1031 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,319 Speaker 1: Blonde made it seem like made law seem like a mystery. Yeah. 1032 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,920 Speaker 1: Although the thing of the thing too about my cousin 1033 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,680 Speaker 1: Vinnie is like it's just in terms of chemistry, like 1034 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,319 Speaker 1: Joe Pesci and Marissa told me they're amazing. Joe doesn't 1035 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,320 Speaker 1: get the credit from the queers. He doesn't Joe Never Misses, 1036 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:14,120 Speaker 1: Never Home Alone, stand Um, good Fellas, I'm like, that 1037 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 1: is a genius or a madman. I've never his performance 1038 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 1: and good Fellas, it's like, you know, it's a movie, 1039 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,320 Speaker 1: so these people aren't real. But like I like whenever 1040 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 1: I'm terrified him and that first and that first thing 1041 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,440 Speaker 1: when they're at that restaurant, I was just like, God, 1042 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,320 Speaker 1: this is crazy. It's it's it's real. It's very accurate 1043 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: to what happens when someone like loses their mole, like 1044 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:45,280 Speaker 1: because yes, it's anger. It's it's anger portrayed so bracing, 1045 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,440 Speaker 1: lee and scarily, and it's that kind of thing like 1046 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,920 Speaker 1: I think we all know people who it starts like 1047 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,960 Speaker 1: you think they're kidding, and then it goes into this 1048 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,080 Speaker 1: place and especially to track that like as a filmmaker, 1049 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,279 Speaker 1: like Martin scor says, he's incredible because like as a performance, 1050 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,640 Speaker 1: as like a same it really works because it catches 1051 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,800 Speaker 1: you by surprise where it goes and like it's because 1052 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 1: it's measured and I would say, obviously that's a dramatic performance. 1053 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,799 Speaker 1: But as a comedic actor, he's insane. Of course he is. 1054 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,319 Speaker 1: He's like he's like an unsung like comedic like and 1055 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,680 Speaker 1: you mentioned home alone, and I think people don't even 1056 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,719 Speaker 1: like you mentioned home alone. It's like you you don't 1057 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,520 Speaker 1: even take into account how difficult it is to give 1058 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,880 Speaker 1: that good of a comedic performances. He needs to be 1059 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,360 Speaker 1: the cop in the beginning and then he needs to 1060 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,600 Speaker 1: come back, and like you need to like be able 1061 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,440 Speaker 1: to root for mccaulley, but also like you need to 1062 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,680 Speaker 1: you need you're not going to care about what happens 1063 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 1: to these two two guys if like they're not flushed 1064 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,680 Speaker 1: out in somewhere right also to do a performance that's funny, 1065 00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:58,000 Speaker 1: that's funny where he's like constantly in pain, not easy 1066 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,680 Speaker 1: at all, buckets of paint to the face, really slipping 1067 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 1: on ice like nail gun and his go Now it's truly, 1068 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,160 Speaker 1: I mean gets electrified, hiss, haircatched on fire, has to 1069 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,680 Speaker 1: go into toilet like it's it's it's a clown Carl 1070 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,520 Speaker 1: clown college. It's code. But basically also to the thing 1071 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:20,800 Speaker 1: about my cousin Vinnie is it's totally it is such 1072 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,600 Speaker 1: a fine line because it's fish out of water, Like 1073 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,320 Speaker 1: there are these like Brooklyn people like down in the South, 1074 00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:32,480 Speaker 1: like dealing with this and she feels she's big because 1075 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,440 Speaker 1: she's Mona Lisa Vito, and like she's got these crazy 1076 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 1: monologues and it's like it's truly like it's like it's 1077 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,400 Speaker 1: almost a play a lot of it so much, like 1078 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,480 Speaker 1: the scenes are long, and she's got these crazy monologues, 1079 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,960 Speaker 1: but she still feels grounded and like a real person. 1080 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,080 Speaker 1: And I remember after she won the Oscar, it almost 1081 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,960 Speaker 1: like was like because people were so surprised, it was like, well, 1082 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 1: who even is this person? And she had to prove 1083 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,000 Speaker 1: it so many times again and again and again and again. 1084 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,360 Speaker 1: And she's got I think two nominations since then, which 1085 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,960 Speaker 1: is the Wrestler and in the Bedroom in the Bedroom, 1086 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: which are two completely different performances from each other and 1087 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,600 Speaker 1: from her original win. And this is why I'm always like, 1088 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: we need to be giving more attention to the comedic performances, 1089 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,919 Speaker 1: and if that can win, there's no reason why Rachel 1090 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 1: McAdams shouldn't win in Mean Girls, like it's just and 1091 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,720 Speaker 1: so whenever these big comedic performances come along, like I do, 1092 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,200 Speaker 1: I am one of those people who was like, if 1093 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,000 Speaker 1: Tiffany Hattrich had gotten it for a Girl's Trip, I 1094 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,920 Speaker 1: would not have been mad at all. I feel like 1095 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 1: she was vindicated with the La La Land Moonlight thing 1096 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,800 Speaker 1: because we all learned that, like if they ever announced 1097 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,439 Speaker 1: the wrong name, like they'll come out and they say 1098 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,520 Speaker 1: like people were like, oh, the presenter just announced her name, 1099 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,400 Speaker 1: but it wasn't her, but now we know that. Like, 1100 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,920 Speaker 1: but the oscars themselves came out and were like, she 1101 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 1: did get the most votes. Period. It's such a good 1102 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,320 Speaker 1: for the nons, for the win, for the win. When 1103 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,680 Speaker 1: she won, people were like you, I think we're talking 1104 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:05,040 Speaker 1: about Tiffany for a second, no, no, no, Marissa wins. 1105 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,080 Speaker 1: And then it was like yes, oh yes, and everyone's 1106 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,560 Speaker 1: like Jack Palace is old and he read he read 1107 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,080 Speaker 1: the thing off right, do it right? And they were like, no, 1108 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,920 Speaker 1: she won, period. Yeah. I mean it's I mean like 1109 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 1: the dialogue is indelible even for someone who hasn't seen it. 1110 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,280 Speaker 1: I mean like, I mean, I I don't want to 1111 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:26,000 Speaker 1: reference anything spoiler that we can't spoil. But but no, 1112 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 1: no, no no, I'm just gonna say like the fact that 1113 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 1: I I know, like the defense is wrong and my 1114 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,840 Speaker 1: biological is taking like this like that like those are 1115 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:39,280 Speaker 1: like films phrases. Let's just say that the iconography of 1116 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:45,200 Speaker 1: her performance will appear in a movie that's coming out. Yes, yes, yes, 1117 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,880 Speaker 1: Mrs Viat. Though please answer the question does the defendant's 1118 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:54,520 Speaker 1: case hold wood the best? No, the defense is wrong. 1119 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,760 Speaker 1: I always think matt would do an amazing Marissa Tomay impression. 1120 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:06,720 Speaker 1: If you're that's your satch. Yeah, it's mona, but what 1121 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:11,200 Speaker 1: a good culture And also, bowen, you will enjoy the movie. 1122 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:12,760 Speaker 1: You really like. It's one of those movies that I'm like, 1123 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:21,280 Speaker 1: why haven't I all these famous other people don't tell 1124 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:28,919 Speaker 1: me it's what? Something with that I think? I think 1125 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,880 Speaker 1: holds the hell of course, of course, of course you 1126 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,800 Speaker 1: know what's interesting though and not so like, and I 1127 01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,240 Speaker 1: do want your thoughts on this. But it's interesting that 1128 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:43,360 Speaker 1: someone in the unif our Lord two you says the 1129 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,920 Speaker 1: first scene of the movie should say everything about the movie. 1130 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,440 Speaker 1: And you are not a power of the dog spam. 1131 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,960 Speaker 1: Wow to call me out like that so publicly here 1132 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,120 Speaker 1: to listen, you stepped into the arena. Here's what I'll say. 1133 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,080 Speaker 1: I would love to see the film again. I need 1134 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:07,439 Speaker 1: to see it because I'm wrong constantly. Um wow, that's huge, Okay, 1135 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,959 Speaker 1: um Matthew, But um, here's what I'll say, he thinks 1136 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,200 Speaker 1: he got COVID in Disney World. He do you remember 1137 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,360 Speaker 1: when we went to Matt made me get No, I didn't, 1138 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,600 Speaker 1: So he's so confused. When we went to Port of 1139 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,720 Speaker 1: Villarta for New Year's a couple of years, that's right, 1140 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,720 Speaker 1: and then pre COVID everyone we were not gay over 1141 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,960 Speaker 1: it was New Year's. It was New Year's twenty as 1142 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 1: in January. And then you guys went to Orlando right afterwards, 1143 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,480 Speaker 1: and you guys both got very sick. No we did, 1144 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:37,240 Speaker 1: We did not both, Jared. This is what I'll say, 1145 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,959 Speaker 1: And that's one of Jared's famous lines. So we left 1146 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,280 Speaker 1: Port of Yarda to go to Orlando, Florida. Flight was 1147 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,120 Speaker 1: the only flight I could get us to make sure 1148 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,040 Speaker 1: that we would get like three full days. Was like 1149 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,520 Speaker 1: five in the morning, so we had partied all night. 1150 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,600 Speaker 1: How to leave at the ask crack of john for 1151 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,600 Speaker 1: the airport, and I said, Matt, Matt, I don't have 1152 01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,440 Speaker 1: a great institution. He doesn't have. If someone's sneezes in 1153 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,400 Speaker 1: Iowa and I'm in l A, I will get sick. 1154 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,040 Speaker 1: So we get in the plane. I think everything's fine. 1155 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,360 Speaker 1: He's sleeping on the plane. It's fine, I'm I'm there, 1156 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,320 Speaker 1: I see him, I'm taking care of him. And then 1157 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,800 Speaker 1: we get there. That's strong, and I swear to God, 1158 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,080 Speaker 1: if we woke up, he had a fever. He's covered 1159 01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,040 Speaker 1: in sweat. He's like, I can't I can't move. So 1160 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,080 Speaker 1: I had to do like a full day destity by 1161 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:30,240 Speaker 1: myself because he his body broke. Yeah, my body, my 1162 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,000 Speaker 1: body shuts down. Listen, I get it. But you don't 1163 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,000 Speaker 1: have COVID for four hours and then not. They don't 1164 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:41,240 Speaker 1: have zero in January. It was right before I left 1165 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,320 Speaker 1: to shoot the film, and um, I just finally went 1166 01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,280 Speaker 1: on Rise of the Resistance two weeks. Can we talk 1167 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,080 Speaker 1: about it? Jared loves you have you have not been 1168 01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 1: on it, but it sucks that you were here for 1169 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,480 Speaker 1: so long and we've never went. I have not been 1170 01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:00,240 Speaker 1: to a park in what feels like maybe maybe we 1171 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,240 Speaker 1: should go soon. Maybe maybe you keep threatening me and 1172 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,440 Speaker 1: being like we'll go to Orlando. You threatened me? What 1173 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,320 Speaker 1: do you mean? I threatened you? I always say what 1174 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,760 Speaker 1: you should go and then you're like I can I'm 1175 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,840 Speaker 1: working and I'm like, bitch, what do you think I'm doing? Okay, 1176 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,800 Speaker 1: same thing with Matt. Don't call you are a bit 1177 01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,280 Speaker 1: that hurts me and it's very cruel to say a bit. 1178 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,280 Speaker 1: Jared came in and we're all sniping at each other 1179 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,600 Speaker 1: and we're not sniping it. Matt. He's been sort of 1180 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,280 Speaker 1: he's been sort of like threatening me with the dragging, 1181 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,360 Speaker 1: like I'm going to get into it, like what what 1182 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm lovely? Well, let's just really quickly pivot. I think 1183 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,280 Speaker 1: I mention it all. No no, no, no, no, no no no, 1184 01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,480 Speaker 1: we're not doing that. Yeah, I want to do this. 1185 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,360 Speaker 1: I want to bring the conversation anything else we want 1186 01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,120 Speaker 1: to say about my cousin. No, no, no, no, I've 1187 01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 1: said it all the culture somehow this came up last 1188 01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,280 Speaker 1: nights but where each of us had to name our 1189 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,800 Speaker 1: top ten and I got through too, and then we 1190 01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,200 Speaker 1: were are Uber came you have to You got to 1191 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,520 Speaker 1: three and they were all from one album you said, 1192 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,080 Speaker 1: you said style, blank, space and things. I got through 1193 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:00,960 Speaker 1: four because then I I would like I would like 1194 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,760 Speaker 1: to edit mine. But okay, you want to finish up 1195 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,880 Speaker 1: your list. I want you guys to go first. Say 1196 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:10,720 Speaker 1: your say, I'll go first. Okay. I will maintain that 1197 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:15,440 Speaker 1: her most underrated song is, in my opinion, her best. 1198 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,160 Speaker 1: I wish you would. This is like a crazy opinion. 1199 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,440 Speaker 1: Everybody go back and listen to it. It is the 1200 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,800 Speaker 1: most It is the one song on that whole album 1201 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,520 Speaker 1: that fil filth besides Out of the Woods, which is 1202 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,640 Speaker 1: like any lennox um I wish you would have, like 1203 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,600 Speaker 1: full on arena rock. It's full on like stadium rock 1204 01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,440 Speaker 1: eighties Like. I don't disagree with you that it's great. 1205 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,440 Speaker 1: I just think that all you have to do is 1206 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:47,640 Speaker 1: stay is stronger. Oh my god, No, you're you're dead wrong, 1207 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,360 Speaker 1: You're a bit, You're a bitch. I wish moment. I 1208 01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,080 Speaker 1: wish you would. I wish you would. I wish you would, 1209 01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,440 Speaker 1: I wish you would. Treacherous amount something are we going? 1210 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,480 Speaker 1: The thing that I love about is Taylor Swift takes 1211 01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,960 Speaker 1: the style of other artists who we stand and creates 1212 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:12,440 Speaker 1: her own version of this. No one needs to convince 1213 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,520 Speaker 1: that that you know who did that Gaga on the 1214 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,720 Speaker 1: Fame Monster absolutely absolutely with Taylor with blank space, Tell 1215 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,320 Speaker 1: me that's not a Lord's song. Tell me that's not 1216 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,640 Speaker 1: it's the Lord's song with like a Drake beat with 1217 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,280 Speaker 1: like a hip hop of that time, which with the 1218 01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,240 Speaker 1: Taylor lyric wildest dreams. Tell me that's not influenced by 1219 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,160 Speaker 1: I hate that and I wish you would. It's it's 1220 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:39,320 Speaker 1: time never hang on the phone again. That's Danielle, girl, 1221 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,880 Speaker 1: that's Danielle, but she marries it with like it's original. 1222 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,960 Speaker 1: It's subversive. I'm not saying she's stealing. I think the 1223 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,200 Speaker 1: best art is when you borrow from people that you 1224 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:48,800 Speaker 1: love and you make it your own, which is what 1225 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,960 Speaker 1: she did on that album, and it's why she's such 1226 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,480 Speaker 1: a gifted artist. But I fucking love I wish you was. Yes, 1227 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,600 Speaker 1: I love Okay, I just think, I just, I just 1228 01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,600 Speaker 1: I will always go to that song when I'm I'm 1229 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,240 Speaker 1: not in the movie for all kinds of Taylor all 1230 01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,280 Speaker 1: the time, I'm always in the mood for I wish 1231 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,040 Speaker 1: you would. Yeah, okay, And if any reader publicist out 1232 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,400 Speaker 1: there relates, please hit me up. I would love to 1233 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,520 Speaker 1: have this conversation. I just don't understand them. I think 1234 01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:18,880 Speaker 1: they should be I wish you would treacherous. While the streams, 1235 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:24,680 Speaker 1: thank you for saying blank space, August, you did not 1236 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,720 Speaker 1: say style last night. I did not say style last night, 1237 01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,480 Speaker 1: And thank you for for for pushing you. No, I'm 1238 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:34,480 Speaker 1: not No, I'm not, You're a bit, You're sparks Fly. 1239 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:39,520 Speaker 1: The way is like a full odd rain storm. I'm 1240 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,760 Speaker 1: a house of cars. Oh my god. So did you 1241 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,560 Speaker 1: have you heard the original sparks Fly where she had 1242 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,680 Speaker 1: to change the lyrics in the second verse? What were 1243 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,880 Speaker 1: they doing? The YouTube? YouTube? That's how please kill me now, 1244 01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,880 Speaker 1: YouTube the YouTube and go to the YouTube and and 1245 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,960 Speaker 1: YouTube the original sparks Um. I feel like I'm now 1246 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:04,440 Speaker 1: talking like Thomas who I stand um? And it's like, uh, 1247 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,240 Speaker 1: it's it's she changed the lyrics because she got older 1248 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,280 Speaker 1: and it wasn't appropriate. But sparks Fly was a song 1249 01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,520 Speaker 1: she wrote for her first album, did not go on 1250 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,520 Speaker 1: the first album, fell back in love with it and 1251 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,960 Speaker 1: she put it on Speak Now. She wrote that song, 1252 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,760 Speaker 1: and that is that's how you know. It is the 1253 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:24,600 Speaker 1: quintessence of Taylor. Absolutely absolutely, Okay, I've got two more. 1254 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,720 Speaker 1: This is the best. Don't sunk up it, don't suck up. 1255 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,960 Speaker 1: There's when you said last night from Evermore, Oh Ivy, 1256 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,560 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say my last one cool Summer see 1257 01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,880 Speaker 1: the Dream in the Crime of the Night that justice 1258 01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,840 Speaker 1: for Olivia Rodrigo. Do you know have you guys discussed 1259 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,280 Speaker 1: on the pot about what happened with their friendship because 1260 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,360 Speaker 1: of that song, not because of New Year's Day, because 1261 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,640 Speaker 1: she sampled that was she asked to do that. Am 1262 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,320 Speaker 1: I going to get canceled for this? But um, the 1263 01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:03,840 Speaker 1: tea is Olivia borrowed. That's the word I'll use. Others 1264 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,720 Speaker 1: will say, so I'm gonna say borrowed the bridge of 1265 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:11,080 Speaker 1: Cruel Summer for the bridge of deja vu and retroactively 1266 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,640 Speaker 1: no no no, no no no no no no no 1267 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:20,800 Speaker 1: no no, you get deja vu? Oh no, the job 1268 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,320 Speaker 1: very ice cream in Malibu. I'm toned off, so I 1269 01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,400 Speaker 1: won't know, and I know you get. I don't want 1270 01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,680 Speaker 1: to keep to keep you interest. So she had to 1271 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,280 Speaker 1: give retroactive credit songwriting credit. She did a lot of 1272 01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:37,920 Speaker 1: that on that album, and a lot of it is like, Okay, 1273 01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,559 Speaker 1: I guess she's like doing her She's she's doing what 1274 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,600 Speaker 1: she should be doing. She's amazing all music. But you 1275 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,320 Speaker 1: can't just a melody lion that that album is not 1276 01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,560 Speaker 1: as strong as people think. Yeah, all right, you said it, 1277 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:52,559 Speaker 1: not me, but anyway, Yeah, I love Curl Summerly, not 1278 01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,760 Speaker 1: like people are acting like it's like jagged little Bill, 1279 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,080 Speaker 1: it's fucking not. But notice it's a solid debut from 1280 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,040 Speaker 1: a talented girl we listen to so we don't really 1281 01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,720 Speaker 1: know who she is. It's mostly about a boy, and 1282 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,479 Speaker 1: it's like, here's what I'll say, not it's not a debut. 1283 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,760 Speaker 1: She used to say in interviews all the time when 1284 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,720 Speaker 1: people would ask her what artists do you emulate? Who 1285 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,080 Speaker 1: do you love? She would be like Taylor Taylor, Taylor Taylor. 1286 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,439 Speaker 1: And since that happened, she has stopped saying that, and 1287 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,719 Speaker 1: she says like Gog's the greatest performer. I will say 1288 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,760 Speaker 1: we cut this out. When I interviewed her for v 1289 01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,320 Speaker 1: MA magazine, I brought up like like they had in 1290 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,000 Speaker 1: her the list of questions, like talked her about Taylor. 1291 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,400 Speaker 1: I was like okay, and I was like, what was 1292 01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,320 Speaker 1: it like meeting Taylor the brit Awards? And she's like 1293 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,320 Speaker 1: really kind of like She's like that's bad. It was nice, 1294 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, something something happened. I didn't 1295 01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:40,400 Speaker 1: I realized it was about Yeah, but my ten songs, Okay, Okay, 1296 01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:44,240 Speaker 1: here's Jared's ten, Here's my ten. Number one, Delicate, the 1297 01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,840 Speaker 1: greatest pop song that's ever been written. I don't I'm sorry, 1298 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,479 Speaker 1: I'm not on the Delicate. The first time I heard Delicate, 1299 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,160 Speaker 1: I listened. I stopped listening to reputation. Wait, oh my, 1300 01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:58,360 Speaker 1: i't have no reputation. Representation want mentions from rep from 1301 01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:03,280 Speaker 1: rep Okay, dress and fucking dress? Fucking Are you guys 1302 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,960 Speaker 1: ready for this? Not ready for it? But endgame gets 1303 01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:12,680 Speaker 1: so much. One of my favorite Taylor Stuft videos like 1304 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:20,360 Speaker 1: like I Bury hatch gag anyway, Okay, you go Delicate. 1305 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,639 Speaker 1: Delicate is my number one for me again talking about 1306 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,040 Speaker 1: the synthesizing of a lyric and an emotion and a 1307 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,479 Speaker 1: sound together. It's like that song feels and like the 1308 01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,360 Speaker 1: spaces when she's singing the chorus is a cool that 1309 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:31,800 Speaker 1: I said, all that is a chill that you're in 1310 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,519 Speaker 1: my head the way she's saying it without the music, 1311 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,559 Speaker 1: like it actually is delicate and you like feel its 1312 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:41,240 Speaker 1: internal and it's it's so such an incredible song. Um, 1313 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed all too well, which is like a boring choice, 1314 01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,640 Speaker 1: but it is just maybe the greatest song that's ever 1315 01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,799 Speaker 1: been written by any human And all the time, You're welcome. Um. 1316 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,000 Speaker 1: I will say Ivy my favorite song off of Evermore, 1317 01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,400 Speaker 1: the only song on Evermore she wrote with both Jack 1318 01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:58,559 Speaker 1: and the guy from the National, which is gag treacherous again, 1319 01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,880 Speaker 1: talk about pining, talking about it was sounding falling in love. 1320 01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,800 Speaker 1: I told her that to her face. I saw that 1321 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,240 Speaker 1: clip and I literally screamed out loud. It was that promo. 1322 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,720 Speaker 1: It was and they didn't use that, but like it 1323 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:14,519 Speaker 1: was online, it was online. This is I'm high way 1324 01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,080 Speaker 1: too much. I don't know what Matt texted me and 1325 01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,120 Speaker 1: what I foind on the internet, but um, oh my god, 1326 01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,040 Speaker 1: uh to headlight shine on the sleepless night and I 1327 01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,000 Speaker 1: will get you, get you alone. Nothing safe is worth 1328 01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,160 Speaker 1: the drive. And that's my favorite Teller stuff lyric of 1329 01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:34,120 Speaker 1: all time. US and then I would do I would 1330 01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,680 Speaker 1: do I have to go in like album order. I 1331 01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,120 Speaker 1: would do our song which made me fall in love 1332 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,479 Speaker 1: with her, to write that song by yourself at fifteen, 1333 01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,720 Speaker 1: with those specifics, get out of here. God, if he 1334 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,960 Speaker 1: could play it again again, Um, I would say you 1335 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,559 Speaker 1: belong with me, just for nostalgia's sake. I would say 1336 01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:52,920 Speaker 1: that is a queer song, that is you pinted for 1337 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,519 Speaker 1: your unattainable emotional unavailable were queer queer object um. And 1338 01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:03,519 Speaker 1: then I would go Holy Ground Ound August and the 1339 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:07,760 Speaker 1: one Wow, the one in her top ten of all 1340 01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,840 Speaker 1: her catalot love, the one, the one we remember when 1341 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,479 Speaker 1: Folklore first came out and you and I, Matt and 1342 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,640 Speaker 1: I both went, we're choice for an opener, but I 1343 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,840 Speaker 1: love here's the thing. I don't dislike the one at all. 1344 01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,960 Speaker 1: In fact, I just but well, first of all, we 1345 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,559 Speaker 1: should say that Bone and I were trying to listen 1346 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,960 Speaker 1: to the album and we were in gratititled Home, and 1347 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,640 Speaker 1: she and Study were talking and it was disrespectful and 1348 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,439 Speaker 1: they should have shut up. They were putting out, they 1349 01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,440 Speaker 1: were trying on clothes and going where they were. They 1350 01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,800 Speaker 1: were sort of trying on clothes and being like, do 1351 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,920 Speaker 1: you think this shirt looks good on me? Etcetera. And 1352 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,680 Speaker 1: we're like, we're listening to Taylor that you need this. 1353 01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:48,040 Speaker 1: When Folklore first came out, literally midnight, midnight, where was nine, 1354 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,320 Speaker 1: Oh you know what, I was walking around my neighborhood 1355 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:54,320 Speaker 1: alone in the dark, literally listening to it unrepeated. That's 1356 01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,400 Speaker 1: how I did reputation. Like I remember, Reputation came out 1357 01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,280 Speaker 1: when I was on a story Pirates tour and out 1358 01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,519 Speaker 1: to the Giraffe that didn't know my most played song 1359 01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,880 Speaker 1: on Spotify every year. You guys have to check it out. 1360 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,360 Speaker 1: It's Matt original from Story Pirates where he gives a 1361 01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,120 Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson bridge like you've never heard it, sorry, Kelly 1362 01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:14,120 Speaker 1: brand Bridge. He really he really listens to the Giraffe 1363 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,040 Speaker 1: almost every day in the it's my it's my track 1364 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,240 Speaker 1: on Spotify. You guys, yeah, you gotta check it out. 1365 01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,800 Speaker 1: Um but anyway, uh was a sing oh reputation. I 1366 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,840 Speaker 1: walked around and like like soaked it up and it 1367 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,640 Speaker 1: was so amazing. Are you ready for my tent? I 1368 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:33,800 Speaker 1: guess I'm just gonna knock this out In one from 1369 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:36,960 Speaker 1: there are three of my favorite Taylor Swift songs of 1370 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,360 Speaker 1: all time, and I do think that that they should 1371 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:43,360 Speaker 1: be on any Taylor Swift fans list, and that is 1372 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:48,040 Speaker 1: blank Space and Style. And then I would say Wildest 1373 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,519 Speaker 1: Dreams is one of my favorite songs of all time 1374 01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,280 Speaker 1: because it's actually my favorite type of song, which is 1375 01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:58,160 Speaker 1: that sort of like romantic wind swept like ballad but 1376 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:03,040 Speaker 1: with activation like and I mean like, I just absolutely 1377 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,880 Speaker 1: love it Wildest Dreams. I could listen to it set 1378 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:07,680 Speaker 1: to a heartbeat, by the way, which is why we 1379 01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,240 Speaker 1: love Taylor. It's always those details that make the song right. 1380 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,360 Speaker 1: I would like to stop here and say that an 1381 01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,720 Speaker 1: honorable mention for me, which will appear on no one 1382 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,400 Speaker 1: else's list, but I don't want to leave the album 1383 01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:22,439 Speaker 1: without saying it is no Welcome to New York. I 1384 01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,840 Speaker 1: think is such a goofy song. And I think that 1385 01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,599 Speaker 1: so much of Taylor is hip hip pop pop pop 1386 01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:33,639 Speaker 1: walk walk, Walk, white girl stomp, and that is Welcome 1387 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,720 Speaker 1: to New York. And the fact that she opened her 1388 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:40,320 Speaker 1: best album with a song that people don't like that 1389 01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,200 Speaker 1: it was, and that it was it's not it's her, 1390 01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:47,760 Speaker 1: it's her thriller, it's her best album anyway. This is 1391 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,479 Speaker 1: literally my time time um, and so that's my honorable mention. 1392 01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,960 Speaker 1: I just want to throw it out there doing forward. 1393 01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:57,920 Speaker 1: Hold on, Can I just say, just like for I think, 1394 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,799 Speaker 1: what's what it is informing your effects, in your emotional 1395 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,400 Speaker 1: connection that this song is When you and I saw 1396 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,000 Speaker 1: her live ninety Name World tour and one of the 1397 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,919 Speaker 1: best nights in my little plastered and she opens with 1398 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,880 Speaker 1: with Welcome to New York, and that was the moment 1399 01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,040 Speaker 1: where we we all like you and I keyed into 1400 01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:18,640 Speaker 1: her like turning around it it was like, oh my god, 1401 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,479 Speaker 1: the nine world for a girl three times. Okay. When 1402 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:25,800 Speaker 1: they gave us those bracelets and we were taking those 1403 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:31,479 Speaker 1: like three foot tall Margarita's, I was living my bud lights. 1404 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:36,360 Speaker 1: I was absolutely Remember we were so mad Bowen Bowen. 1405 01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,280 Speaker 1: Was it catatonic because he paid a hundred eighty dollars 1406 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,760 Speaker 1: for an uber? Oh yeah, it was so we were 1407 01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,639 Speaker 1: We didn't stop thinking about it all night. New York. 1408 01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:50,519 Speaker 1: It was not life New Jersey. So so her blank 1409 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,200 Speaker 1: space when you know, when she said the city name, 1410 01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,720 Speaker 1: she would go like noon and then she'd go during 1411 01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:59,640 Speaker 1: the bridge, Um Jersey. Yeah, she Jersey, And I was 1412 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:04,160 Speaker 1: kind of you she wishes she could say New York. No. 1413 01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,240 Speaker 1: But okay, so those three, Oh my god, did you 1414 01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,600 Speaker 1: see Teresa there? Did you see Melissa there? Did you 1415 01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,400 Speaker 1: see any of the girls there. I don't think they 1416 01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,280 Speaker 1: like Taylor Swift, That's not true. I think they love 1417 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,719 Speaker 1: like bon Jovi. Okay whatever. Anyway, um so those three 1418 01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,519 Speaker 1: moving forward, I would say you have to give it 1419 01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:25,240 Speaker 1: up to love story story because we were both young whenever, 1420 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:30,599 Speaker 1: so you like, that's like I conic. So I would 1421 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,519 Speaker 1: say those are four and then honestly, moving forward through time, 1422 01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,599 Speaker 1: on Reputation, I do have to give it up to Delicate, 1423 01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:42,519 Speaker 1: like Delicate has to be. We're going to convert their number. Six, 1424 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,160 Speaker 1: I would say, and this is no particular order, but 1425 01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:51,960 Speaker 1: Dear John, Dear John, Dear John, I absolutely love and 1426 01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the fact that she wrote a John 1427 01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:02,000 Speaker 1: Mayer song, John. I love that guitar riff. And I said, 1428 01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,360 Speaker 1: if All Too Well is a twelve minute music video, 1429 01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,679 Speaker 1: we need to be looking out for a feature film 1430 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:14,720 Speaker 1: of Dear written and directed by Taylor Swift. So those 1431 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:19,120 Speaker 1: are six, then I would say, and Reputation is I 1432 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,280 Speaker 1: think my favorite album. But I'm gonna give only Delicate 1433 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:26,559 Speaker 1: on on the list, Treacherous and All Too Well. That's 1434 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,400 Speaker 1: seven and eight and that's going to be read for 1435 01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:34,519 Speaker 1: me from folklore. And it's not to say that I 1436 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,840 Speaker 1: dislike Lover, because I actually would give another honorable mention 1437 01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,880 Speaker 1: to the song Lover, which I think is incredible. It's 1438 01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,880 Speaker 1: just not in the top ten from folklore. I'm gonna 1439 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,599 Speaker 1: say August and from evermore this is gonna be my 1440 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:54,240 Speaker 1: wild card choice. Happiness. I love Happiness. It's some of 1441 01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,240 Speaker 1: the best read writing she's ever Absolutely, of course I agree. 1442 01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:04,160 Speaker 1: I agree. I am will for whatever reason, never with 1443 01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,840 Speaker 1: the instinct that I should put on Evermore, like do 1444 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,920 Speaker 1: it to a full play through. You know what I did. 1445 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,240 Speaker 1: I put it in your New York so you don't 1446 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,000 Speaker 1: have this, but I bought the CD and I put 1447 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,400 Speaker 1: it in my car. Solic comes on and then you 1448 01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,400 Speaker 1: have to forced to listen to it, and I have 1449 01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,480 Speaker 1: to say, it's one of my favorite albums now Evermore. 1450 01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,880 Speaker 1: Evermore is going to be controversial. I think Everymore is 1451 01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,320 Speaker 1: stronger than No No, and a lot of people share, 1452 01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:27,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people should I think a lot of 1453 01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,480 Speaker 1: people think that I there's something about Folklore where it 1454 01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,080 Speaker 1: it's sort of like the perfect cosmic album at the 1455 01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,880 Speaker 1: right time for me and I think for everybody. Listened 1456 01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,120 Speaker 1: to that album in my kitchen and it was and 1457 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,439 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, Patty Lapone was driving around 1458 01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,840 Speaker 1: to it and being like, she's like our best song. Right. 1459 01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,080 Speaker 1: When Patty Lapone tweeted that she was literally obsessed with Folklore, 1460 01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,320 Speaker 1: I was like, never did I think I would see 1461 01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:52,519 Speaker 1: the day that Ever I get because tell herself such 1462 01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,799 Speaker 1: an amazing story, Telle, Right, that's what's important. To Patty 1463 01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,320 Speaker 1: and actress. Half of My Quarantine was Matt just like 1464 01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:03,040 Speaker 1: screaming August and his kids Jen mad Yeah, and then 1465 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:10,639 Speaker 1: that is that's the part you my honorable mention. The 1466 01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,479 Speaker 1: thing that is just neck and neck with August in 1467 01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:17,040 Speaker 1: my listing is mirrorable because it's the only song on 1468 01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,960 Speaker 1: the album where she's kind of acknowledging the present circumstances 1469 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,599 Speaker 1: of COVID where it's like um when with the rodeo 1470 01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,639 Speaker 1: clowns like go home, like like when like when there's 1471 01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,400 Speaker 1: nothing like who what is her worth? When there's no 1472 01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,759 Speaker 1: one around, you know, like she's a disc, she's a mirrorbale, 1473 01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,880 Speaker 1: she's a disco ball. She's reflecting everybody off of her. 1474 01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,160 Speaker 1: But when no one's around, like who is she? I 1475 01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,360 Speaker 1: have to amend my list and remove the one as 1476 01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:41,479 Speaker 1: an honorable mention and yourribal. She's so good at shoe gaze. 1477 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,120 Speaker 1: It's a sound that her lyrical style and her vocal 1478 01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,400 Speaker 1: qualities so well. When shoe gas was dead, like when 1479 01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:51,120 Speaker 1: that genre of like and I don't know, like there 1480 01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:52,439 Speaker 1: weren't that many people holding it on the floor, and 1481 01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,320 Speaker 1: then she comes back in and I think they're honestly 1482 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,840 Speaker 1: has been the shift back to like I'm listening to this, 1483 01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,559 Speaker 1: to the genre much more. Now do you guys have 1484 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,160 Speaker 1: to listen walks the How do you have to listen 1485 01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,880 Speaker 1: to to snail Mail? You guys have to listen to 1486 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,519 Speaker 1: the girls snail Mail is my life, Oh my god, 1487 01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:12,720 Speaker 1: Valentine and me. Did you hear the demo? So she 1488 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,400 Speaker 1: has a demo and it's called funk I forgot. It's 1489 01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,400 Speaker 1: a lyric from it was before she called it Valentine 1490 01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:21,040 Speaker 1: or and it's just like she's such a genius and 1491 01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,680 Speaker 1: before the soundtrack of three months before it's all it's 1492 01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,960 Speaker 1: mostly queer, and but before we decided to make it 1493 01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,439 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, or before to keep it period. One 1494 01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:34,840 Speaker 1: notable exception, snail Mail was in there for Jason was 1495 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,160 Speaker 1: in their snail Mail is like I mean that album, 1496 01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,519 Speaker 1: I've been wearing it the funk So you gotta listen 1497 01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,960 Speaker 1: to It's called Valentine Love and you were like, um 1498 01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:47,360 Speaker 1: fucking I just gotta say I love the acoustic version 1499 01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,360 Speaker 1: of Trouble in the movie. It's thank It's so beautiful. 1500 01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,439 Speaker 1: Thank you. Yes, it's weird because, like Troy, I wanted 1501 01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,439 Speaker 1: people to be invested in him as Caleb, and I 1502 01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,320 Speaker 1: felt like you didn't want to distract with him singing 1503 01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,120 Speaker 1: the song. So I was like, let's find some we 1504 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,559 Speaker 1: didn't know. He said his version of the songs are 1505 01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,080 Speaker 1: at the end credits. But I was like, let's find 1506 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,479 Speaker 1: some really cool queer artists for you to write these 1507 01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:10,400 Speaker 1: songs with and duet with so that they can sing 1508 01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,840 Speaker 1: it over picture and Jays gave like the most beautiful acoustic, 1509 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,000 Speaker 1: intimate version of Trouble for that um Fourth of July 1510 01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,960 Speaker 1: beach montage, and Gordy does wait at the end, which 1511 01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:23,439 Speaker 1: makes Matt cry. It's Matt's favorite part of the fucking 1512 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,000 Speaker 1: overhead beach shots. How did you do that? Okay, so 1513 01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,720 Speaker 1: the gag is it was supposed to be filmed on 1514 01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,559 Speaker 1: our last day in Florida, and as you know, so 1515 01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,240 Speaker 1: you did shoot in Florida for something we did, So 1516 01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:37,400 Speaker 1: we did so all of our exteriors mostly or Miami, 1517 01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,679 Speaker 1: and then our interiors were Atlanta for the tax break 1518 01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,080 Speaker 1: money honey, because that's kind of how we did. Because 1519 01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,200 Speaker 1: I was because I was looking at I was like, oh, 1520 01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,160 Speaker 1: I knew that they shot this in Atlanta, and I 1521 01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,439 Speaker 1: was going, well, the exteriors are giving me and it 1522 01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,480 Speaker 1: was Miami. We we really and even in the interiors, 1523 01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,680 Speaker 1: I worked with my production designer, Catherine Eater, who's a 1524 01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:58,080 Speaker 1: genius to really bring the feeling of Florida inside, you know, 1525 01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:03,400 Speaker 1: Art Deco, Pastel's um green, you know, plants and just 1526 01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:08,120 Speaker 1: that that sort of vibe. But um, yeah, it was 1527 01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,600 Speaker 1: like I didn't want I didn't want people to be 1528 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,160 Speaker 1: taken out because it was because it was Troy, right, No, 1529 01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,320 Speaker 1: I totally I got that immediately. It was like, oh, yeah, 1530 01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,519 Speaker 1: this would be a completely different evocation if it was 1531 01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:26,519 Speaker 1: Troy singing over Troy, you know, walking around. But um, God, 1532 01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:31,520 Speaker 1: like I I specifically love you, like giving us Miami overcast? 1533 01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,760 Speaker 1: Oh honey, well, oh sorry. The beach shot it was 1534 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,760 Speaker 1: too windy. We couldn't we couldn't shoot it there. So 1535 01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,160 Speaker 1: we filmed the shot. We do a plate which is 1536 01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,800 Speaker 1: basically where like you put Troy on a green screen 1537 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,920 Speaker 1: floor and we shoot a plate of his face, shoot 1538 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,000 Speaker 1: a plate of his face, and then we farmed it 1539 01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,400 Speaker 1: out to the South Africa unit. We found this great 1540 01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,639 Speaker 1: production company in South Africa and they filmed that shot 1541 01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,920 Speaker 1: on Africa like directly and doing it like over zoom 1542 01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,040 Speaker 1: and through emails to figure it out and then we 1543 01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,160 Speaker 1: superimposed in post and it's sort of like a visual effect. 1544 01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,720 Speaker 1: But for me, that was something Channon in our DP, 1545 01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,160 Speaker 1: who's like brilliant. She um what else has she done? 1546 01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,880 Speaker 1: She's done a movie called The Third Wife, which she 1547 01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,760 Speaker 1: was nominated for an Indie Spirit Award for. She's a 1548 01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:17,760 Speaker 1: tie cinematographer who is just like just queer and just 1549 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,840 Speaker 1: like incredible. And I feel like Caleb and Dar's relationship 1550 01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,280 Speaker 1: in a weird way was mirrored by like relationship. But 1551 01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:29,600 Speaker 1: um uh, she's just so beautiful. And that was in 1552 01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,080 Speaker 1: her look book when she like interviewed job that the 1553 01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,400 Speaker 1: concept of that shot, and I was like, oh my god, 1554 01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:38,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna steal that. We're gonna put it in one 1555 01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:43,680 Speaker 1: of my favorite against both times twice twice time I 1556 01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,240 Speaker 1: was like yeah again, sort of like in a movie 1557 01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,599 Speaker 1: about time, those shots were used to sort of like 1558 01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:51,920 Speaker 1: it's like my in a to the Lighthouse with Virginia 1559 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,280 Speaker 1: Woolf for like time passes and brackets and it's like 1560 01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,360 Speaker 1: a way to jump, like those are my brackets. That's 1561 01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,240 Speaker 1: my way to like pause one era of the film 1562 01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:03,960 Speaker 1: and John and Um, yeah, god, I just love it. 1563 01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,280 Speaker 1: I mean everyone please get please see it right now, 1564 01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,400 Speaker 1: and it's out today. And basically what you do is 1565 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:14,080 Speaker 1: you you download Paramount Plus and so it should show 1566 01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,600 Speaker 1: up as an icon on your TV and then you 1567 01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,400 Speaker 1: click it. And really, if you have drag Race, if 1568 01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,960 Speaker 1: if you like to watch Drag Race All Stars, you 1569 01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,160 Speaker 1: might already have the Paramount Plus app. You go on there, 1570 01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,559 Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to watch three months written and 1571 01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,040 Speaker 1: directed by Jared Freeder and starring choice van Ellen Burston, 1572 01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:36,759 Speaker 1: Louis Gossip Jr. I mean, Judy Greer, Ammy Landecker, who's 1573 01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:40,479 Speaker 1: also fantastic. We haven't spent the time, but so great 1574 01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:45,479 Speaker 1: Brianne Chew and Vet Colorado. What an amazing opportunity for 1575 01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,960 Speaker 1: you to watch a great film out there, all the readers, 1576 01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,840 Speaker 1: It is time to move on to I Don't Think so, honey, 1577 01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,439 Speaker 1: which is our one minute segment where we how do 1578 01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:06,120 Speaker 1: you say, take sixty seconds to rant against something in 1579 01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,720 Speaker 1: culture that really deserves to be dragged the hell through 1580 01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:14,280 Speaker 1: the mud, And um, I have something. Okay, this is amazing, 1581 01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:17,599 Speaker 1: an amazing surprise. This will be Matt Rodgers. I don't 1582 01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,679 Speaker 1: think so many time starts now. I don't think so, honey, 1583 01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,680 Speaker 1: I was cut from three months. Basically I came in 1584 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,880 Speaker 1: and I think what happened was I made such an 1585 01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,320 Speaker 1: impression in my screen time that they thought that they 1586 01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:31,880 Speaker 1: they thought, you know, Jared and the filmmakers, they really 1587 01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,719 Speaker 1: basically everyone's going to think now that this character comes, 1588 01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,400 Speaker 1: like this actor is so searing on screen that they're 1589 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,439 Speaker 1: gonna think, oh, he's like a new character in the movie. 1590 01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:46,799 Speaker 1: They thought Montgomery Addison Montgomery vibes like a Montgomery Shepherd 1591 01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:48,559 Speaker 1: five where they were like, like, we would have to 1592 01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,200 Speaker 1: do it often there's not necessarily the money for that. 1593 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,160 Speaker 1: But basically, like I was giving you arm, I was 1594 01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,080 Speaker 1: giving you It was a really good arm day for me. 1595 01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,800 Speaker 1: They dressed me well, actually brought my own hordrobe to 1596 01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,680 Speaker 1: be honest with you, and I was having a really 1597 01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:03,760 Speaker 1: amazing time months. I had amazing chuntry the troy as 1598 01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,320 Speaker 1: the director has even admitted to. And basically, I think 1599 01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,320 Speaker 1: I was cut because I made too much of an 1600 01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,519 Speaker 1: impression and they hate it when like the star sort 1601 01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,320 Speaker 1: of gets blown away on camera by another actor, and 1602 01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:14,960 Speaker 1: sort of I think I came in and like did 1603 01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,120 Speaker 1: that and like maybe we'll work together in the future. 1604 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm available for projects going forward. Can 1605 01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,920 Speaker 1: I just say I was so nervous about what I 1606 01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:25,479 Speaker 1: was going to say for I don't think so, honey, 1607 01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,000 Speaker 1: because I was like, I hope it's not too mean. 1608 01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:30,360 Speaker 1: And now I'm really excited. Now we're going there, and 1609 01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,200 Speaker 1: now I kind of want to I'm trying to think 1610 01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,960 Speaker 1: of something for me and I can get really personal, 1611 01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,040 Speaker 1: not with anyone in the room, but just I just 1612 01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:38,760 Speaker 1: want to say that the character in the script was 1613 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:43,080 Speaker 1: described as hot bartender Danny, and I was like, I 1614 01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:44,760 Speaker 1: don't know, Jared, and he was like, no, you should 1615 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,720 Speaker 1: do it. And I went down and did it, and 1616 01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,840 Speaker 1: I skipped work and I went and did it only 1617 01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:53,000 Speaker 1: to be cut. And it really hurt my heart because 1618 01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,000 Speaker 1: I knew how much I gave the film, and I 1619 01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,800 Speaker 1: feel that, you know, it's really tough, but I also 1620 01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,120 Speaker 1: know that life is very long, but my career will 1621 01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:02,960 Speaker 1: be very long. Aren't you happy you got cast in 1622 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,000 Speaker 1: a role where the character's name is literally hot Danny? Like, 1623 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,559 Speaker 1: doesn't that make you feel good? I guess I didn't 1624 01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,240 Speaker 1: do I didn't really do a great Oh my god, 1625 01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,960 Speaker 1: I can't speak to this anymore. You can't speak to 1626 01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:18,960 Speaker 1: this anymore. Interesting. It just hurts so much. Yeah, I know, 1627 01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:29,040 Speaker 1: but who do you? Who do you blame for this? Jared? Jared? Okay, 1628 01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:32,400 Speaker 1: so this is Bowen Yang's time now, bow and Yang 1629 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,559 Speaker 1: do you have a time? It just mean I think 1630 01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,439 Speaker 1: it's so perfect? Did there we go? Okay? This is 1631 01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,519 Speaker 1: time now? I don't think so, honey. The movie three 1632 01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,120 Speaker 1: Months being set in summer, and there's not one mention 1633 01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:48,520 Speaker 1: of the album Born This Way by Lady Gaga dominating 1634 01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,760 Speaker 1: the cultural conversation at the time. Why in a room 1635 01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:55,320 Speaker 1: full of queer people discussing their community, why is Lady 1636 01:27:55,320 --> 01:28:00,960 Speaker 1: Gaga invisibilize crazy? It's insane? Tylorshipting is this in this universe? 1637 01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:05,800 Speaker 1: But Lady Gaga does not. Stephanie Gremanana Strasburg Stadislavski sends 1638 01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:10,240 Speaker 1: memory trained circle in the Square legend and nothing. Don't 1639 01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,559 Speaker 1: don't disrespect Gaga. The only person you could hold hold 1640 01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:18,679 Speaker 1: a candle, boy smells candle to Taylor Swift herself. Now 1641 01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,760 Speaker 1: I need to see a version of I need to 1642 01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,240 Speaker 1: and the listeners need to take screenshots of three photoshop 1643 01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,439 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga in or a speech bubble of someone saying 1644 01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,280 Speaker 1: my favorite tracking off of the album is Government Hooker, 1645 01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,439 Speaker 1: and you have to five seconds Government Hooker Kevy mettal 1646 01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,559 Speaker 1: Lover her closest thing to an instrumental song. Amazing. We 1647 01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,360 Speaker 1: love seeing Goga being pushed in the direction. I can't 1648 01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,440 Speaker 1: see what she does next in the year twenty eighteen. 1649 01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:47,680 Speaker 1: It will be my dream coming true if people take 1650 01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:52,880 Speaker 1: screenshots of this movie and the readers are very activated 1651 01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,760 Speaker 1: that whenever we have and we have three to draw 1652 01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:00,320 Speaker 1: a picture, they draw a picture and we love them 1653 01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,000 Speaker 1: for it. We love the readers. Can we stop and 1654 01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:06,360 Speaker 1: say we love the readers and you might get rewarded 1655 01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:10,000 Speaker 1: very soon over the summer for something. All I'm saying 1656 01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:13,920 Speaker 1: is clear your schedules for this summer. The motherfuckers and 1657 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,240 Speaker 1: the new readers are so dear to us, and I 1658 01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,400 Speaker 1: want to if I can have every single one of you, 1659 01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,240 Speaker 1: I would, I really would. I really We love you 1660 01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,519 Speaker 1: so much and you and you better put the speech 1661 01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,840 Speaker 1: bubble in for three months saying Gaga standom or else, 1662 01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,080 Speaker 1: we don't love you anymore. Can you guys do bloody Mary, 1663 01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,760 Speaker 1: which is like what I would have done? What is 1664 01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,960 Speaker 1: my favorite from that up. I think Government Hooker Shies 1665 01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,439 Speaker 1: and have You Been a Lover? Hard? But also Judas 1666 01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:49,840 Speaker 1: is like Judas is a bad romance, Like it's so crazy. 1667 01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:52,760 Speaker 1: I was driving through the hills and I was like, 1668 01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,360 Speaker 1: this is this song Fox? Why did she get an 1669 01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,920 Speaker 1: Oscar nomination for I mean? You would I you? And 1670 01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,240 Speaker 1: that's that's such a good act of glory? Are you 1671 01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:07,240 Speaker 1: kidding me? It's her best album. I would also say this. 1672 01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,640 Speaker 1: A reader got in my d MS always and basically 1673 01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:14,920 Speaker 1: confirmed that she is doing the top one song. Oh, 1674 01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:19,040 Speaker 1: that's cool, She's doing like the big song top A 1675 01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,559 Speaker 1: reader got in my DMS with intimate this is very 1676 01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,560 Speaker 1: doom wall of me. But like a reader got in 1677 01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,160 Speaker 1: my DMS with intimate knowledge of the fact that she 1678 01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,479 Speaker 1: has already shot footage for a video at like an 1679 01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:34,600 Speaker 1: air Force base. Sick. Yeah, it's not gonna be in 1680 01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:38,720 Speaker 1: a second another one. I mean, with no Bond movie out, 1681 01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,360 Speaker 1: there's nothing. I kind of a bummed that, Like Billie 1682 01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,280 Speaker 1: Eilish has just kinda kind of walked to this Austine, 1683 01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,479 Speaker 1: She's not it's going to be Lynn. I think you 1684 01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,240 Speaker 1: think so. I think that Bruno is such a huge 1685 01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,559 Speaker 1: song right now and even though that's not the official 1686 01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,040 Speaker 1: submission because Bruno took off after they had already had 1687 01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,799 Speaker 1: to submit the song. I think people want to reward him. 1688 01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,160 Speaker 1: He should have never lost for that Moana song, which 1689 01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:01,760 Speaker 1: is one of the greatest I want songs in the 1690 01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:06,919 Speaker 1: Dignity of Stars from how embarrassing it is so terrifying, 1691 01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,600 Speaker 1: and I know, I mean, like I love pastic and 1692 01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,200 Speaker 1: Paul and I just want to say I genuinely love 1693 01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:16,000 Speaker 1: pastic and Paul. Sure, I just think that was not 1694 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:21,160 Speaker 1: I actually thought that audition was stronger than the City 1695 01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:23,960 Speaker 1: of Stars, and had that song one, I would have 1696 01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:29,400 Speaker 1: been like Slay and a half and the best part 1697 01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:32,760 Speaker 1: of your believable. I completely agree. I completely agree, but 1698 01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:36,559 Speaker 1: all amazing songs. But like Lynna deserves, Billy also deserves. 1699 01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,320 Speaker 1: But I think he helped. I don't know if Billy 1700 01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:41,080 Speaker 1: deserves an Oscar for that song, she says, hounted. But 1701 01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:42,920 Speaker 1: then I guess you will win one some day, yeah, 1702 01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,280 Speaker 1: for sure. If not for this, than something for sure. 1703 01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,880 Speaker 1: All right, So I guess we've got to the point 1704 01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:49,840 Speaker 1: where it's Jared Freeders. I don't think so, honey, And 1705 01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:51,439 Speaker 1: I think I have some sort of idea of what 1706 01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:57,599 Speaker 1: he might do. Because this is Jared Frieders, I don't 1707 01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,559 Speaker 1: think so many as time starts now, I don't think 1708 01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,680 Speaker 1: so honey. Matt Rogers telling me he was in love 1709 01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:03,960 Speaker 1: with me for the first time on this here podcast 1710 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:08,080 Speaker 1: instead of in person. That's right, Readers Skinner episode. He 1711 01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:09,760 Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I think I might love Jared, but 1712 01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how to say it yet. All of 1713 01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,200 Speaker 1: a sudden, I get text from friends from back home 1714 01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,320 Speaker 1: being like, did you hear that your boyfriend's too scared 1715 01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:16,680 Speaker 1: to tell you he loves you in person? So he's 1716 01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:20,000 Speaker 1: saying it on his podcast. I was like, what you're not, 1717 01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,880 Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw, girl, talk to me in person, Bernie Brown, 1718 01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:27,080 Speaker 1: Vulnerability is important and you just never told me in person. 1719 01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:28,320 Speaker 1: And so then I had to be the one to 1720 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,439 Speaker 1: say at first, which is like against my room. I 1721 01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,559 Speaker 1: did say it first, and it was well, I mean, 1722 01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,960 Speaker 1: saying it on a podcast doesn't count. Matthew. Sorry for 1723 01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:39,519 Speaker 1: this public sad right now, but how dare you tell 1724 01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,519 Speaker 1: your beloved readers before you actually tell me? The person 1725 01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, Jane has never forgiven you for this because 1726 01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,320 Speaker 1: it was a traumatic event. You Okay, first of all, 1727 01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:54,360 Speaker 1: how dare you second of all? That's probably true anyway. Anyway, anyway, 1728 01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm glad you readers got the first scoop for that, 1729 01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:00,000 Speaker 1: the exclusive, because I was not. And that's one minute. 1730 01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:03,760 Speaker 1: Can I say that's wrong? Because I did say that 1731 01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,439 Speaker 1: to you, and then you were caught off guard by 1732 01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:08,880 Speaker 1: it and didn't say it back. And then three days 1733 01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:13,799 Speaker 1: later you were like, hey, by the way, no no, no, 1734 01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:18,200 Speaker 1: no no, no lies a Minelli lies. Matt, absolutely not. 1735 01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:20,559 Speaker 1: You might have shared too much on the podcast, not 1736 01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,519 Speaker 1: too much, but you you classic you you made it. 1737 01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:27,320 Speaker 1: You made it a strange situation. When we broke up. 1738 01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,599 Speaker 1: I was like, Matt, I just asked that you don't 1739 01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,720 Speaker 1: talk about on the podcast. Weeks later, I get a 1740 01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:36,599 Speaker 1: message from someone on Grinder on Grinder being heard, Hey, 1741 01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:39,960 Speaker 1: huge fan of your ex boyfriend's podcast, heard you guys 1742 01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:44,400 Speaker 1: broke up? Can I say something? I gave it several 1743 01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,400 Speaker 1: weeks and then I was like, and I just want 1744 01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,519 Speaker 1: to tell everyone because they know my life and I 1745 01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,640 Speaker 1: don't want to lie to them. I was just like, 1746 01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:53,200 Speaker 1: Jarn and I did break up. Everything's fine. You know 1747 01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,200 Speaker 1: what the dark side of the moon really is. Most 1748 01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,760 Speaker 1: of your Grinder messages being about the fact that they're 1749 01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:02,120 Speaker 1: fans of your ex boyfriends. That's the dark side was 1750 01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:05,080 Speaker 1: actually discussing and then and then how do you deal 1751 01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,040 Speaker 1: with that because there are you like, don't respond, I 1752 01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:12,160 Speaker 1: don't respond. That's his iceberg. Yeah, that's my iceberg. It's 1753 01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:14,080 Speaker 1: just like, oh, I love Last Culture Stace, and I 1754 01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:16,920 Speaker 1: was like, I don't have nothing. Well, now you now 1755 01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:18,320 Speaker 1: you do have something to do with it because you're 1756 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:22,680 Speaker 1: on exactly the pow. So now you're actually moving your 1757 01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:27,000 Speaker 1: wonderful movie. Are you going to make your Instagram not private? 1758 01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:31,080 Speaker 1: Now it's not private? Yeah, oh so anyone can follow you. Unfortunately, 1759 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:39,000 Speaker 1: that's unfortunate. Yeah, they see lots of wonderful pictures. That's 1760 01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:42,639 Speaker 1: because Jane thinks I'm a dog. I play with Jane 1761 01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,280 Speaker 1: like I'm a dog, and so she thinks I am one, 1762 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,880 Speaker 1: and she responds to me different than other people, but 1763 01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,240 Speaker 1: a typical Matt fashion. He'll play with her. He's the 1764 01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,000 Speaker 1: most fun person in the room. He'll rile her up 1765 01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:53,600 Speaker 1: and then she'll get too excited and he'll turn to 1766 01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,080 Speaker 1: me and be like, do something about this, and I'm like, 1767 01:34:56,200 --> 01:35:00,280 Speaker 1: I mean, really, Jane is one of the most beautiful dogs. 1768 01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:02,240 Speaker 1: In the world, and did I would tell you. I 1769 01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,439 Speaker 1: said a picture, like when we were dating. I said 1770 01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:07,559 Speaker 1: a picture of Jane to my my parents and my 1771 01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:11,240 Speaker 1: dad responded and he was like, Jane is like Greta Garbow. 1772 01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:17,160 Speaker 1: Jane is And I said, Audrey Hepperd Hepperd yesterday, that's true. 1773 01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:21,240 Speaker 1: Has this like really ground not ground down? Just like beautiful, 1774 01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:29,320 Speaker 1: classic classic? She is so she's twenty eight giving Scarlett O'Hara. 1775 01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:35,160 Speaker 1: She's giving Jane is serving Puss. And whenever Joel talks 1776 01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,640 Speaker 1: to me about Jane, can you want to speak to this? 1777 01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:41,599 Speaker 1: Do you speak to this? Joel Kim Booster m one 1778 01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,760 Speaker 1: of your closest friends, one of my closest friends. How 1779 01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:47,120 Speaker 1: I met Matthew So Jared is extremely close friends with 1780 01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:51,360 Speaker 1: Joel Kim Lewis. Jared is close to Joel in a 1781 01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:55,160 Speaker 1: way that like is on a deeper level in some 1782 01:35:55,200 --> 01:36:00,320 Speaker 1: ways than Mexica. Jared was Joel's l a best friend. Yes, yes, yes, 1783 01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:02,720 Speaker 1: that's how I met. I mean, this is really dark, 1784 01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,040 Speaker 1: but when the Pull shooting happened was the day that 1785 01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,360 Speaker 1: I met Joel, and I could like because I'm from 1786 01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,160 Speaker 1: Florida and I like knew people who knew people who 1787 01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:10,920 Speaker 1: were lost, so like, I could not go to the 1788 01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,439 Speaker 1: Carly Rage Jepson concert that night and we because I 1789 01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:15,639 Speaker 1: was too distraught, and I gave Joel in my tickets 1790 01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:19,280 Speaker 1: and became best friends. Um. But Joel, while he is 1791 01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:22,320 Speaker 1: one of the greatest, funniest, most talented people on planet Earth, 1792 01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:24,880 Speaker 1: he literally hates my dog. And I think it's because 1793 01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:28,120 Speaker 1: he knows that she's a star and she the camera. 1794 01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:33,400 Speaker 1: Joel is not a dog person overall. He has he's 1795 01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,200 Speaker 1: interesting things to say about Greta's dog, Tiny, which is 1796 01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,559 Speaker 1: that she's too small to be a dog. I was like, 1797 01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:41,040 Speaker 1: I think that you're trying to do funny comedy and 1798 01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:43,800 Speaker 1: it's rude. And he staided the other day that Jane 1799 01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:48,120 Speaker 1: is skinny and needy, like like him, and so that's 1800 01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:51,040 Speaker 1: why he's jealous. He's jealous of Jane. He's jealous. He 1801 01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:54,200 Speaker 1: has jealousy jealous. Also, Jane is obsessed with John Michael, 1802 01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:57,400 Speaker 1: Joel's boyfriend, and I think that that also has driven 1803 01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:01,320 Speaker 1: a wedge between Jane and Joel. Well John Michael, maybe 1804 01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:09,439 Speaker 1: she thinks that he's me. Yeah, what's going on? Well, 1805 01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:14,599 Speaker 1: a beautiful episode, and I would love to say how 1806 01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:19,480 Speaker 1: proud I am of you because I saw firsthand how 1807 01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:23,320 Speaker 1: much it was to go through this, and just the 1808 01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,960 Speaker 1: film is very beautiful. And why I always tried to 1809 01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,160 Speaker 1: tell you the whole time is while it was difficult 1810 01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,439 Speaker 1: the entire time, like making an Indian movie like this, 1811 01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,519 Speaker 1: like what's really important is how people are going to 1812 01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,800 Speaker 1: be moved and affected by it. And the fact is 1813 01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:40,040 Speaker 1: then people don't have this movie, but now they do, 1814 01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:43,519 Speaker 1: thank you, And so that's worth all of it, and 1815 01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,400 Speaker 1: it will open and already has opened so many doors. 1816 01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,400 Speaker 1: And like I just I'm so excited for you and 1817 01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:51,880 Speaker 1: so proud of you. Thank you, and every reader and 1818 01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:55,559 Speaker 1: fanshad know that, Like Matt was my lifeline during this 1819 01:37:55,760 --> 01:38:00,440 Speaker 1: entire process and makes me very emotional talk about and um, 1820 01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:03,080 Speaker 1: he's funny but also a great person, as is Bowen. 1821 01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:04,800 Speaker 1: And this is like a dream come true to be 1822 01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,800 Speaker 1: on this podcast. So we're so happy to have you, 1823 01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:11,479 Speaker 1: and please stream three Months, which is out on Paramount 1824 01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,639 Speaker 1: Plus today. It's so exciting, and listen to the songs 1825 01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:20,080 Speaker 1: on Spotify, Weight and Trouble and watch the video and 1826 01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:24,320 Speaker 1: just celebrate and support this movie, you guys, because we're 1827 01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,599 Speaker 1: we don't get them it will be that you do. 1828 01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:29,880 Speaker 1: It really will be meaningful that you do watch it, 1829 01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,360 Speaker 1: just on an individual level, not to be full individualist here, 1830 01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:36,880 Speaker 1: but like it will be meaningful that you watch it 1831 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,680 Speaker 1: and take something away from it. You know that you 1832 01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:40,599 Speaker 1: haven't seen it and you will love you a lot. 1833 01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:43,439 Speaker 1: And I just I'm just saying it's there for you now. 1834 01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:47,160 Speaker 1: And how cool that you know it's just right there 1835 01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:49,680 Speaker 1: your fingertips to be able to watch. And what an 1836 01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:51,680 Speaker 1: amazing thing that you even got it made like so 1837 01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,040 Speaker 1: many people. It's like, like like you said, like for queer films, 1838 01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,920 Speaker 1: for queer art, like it's so hard. And as Taylor 1839 01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:59,519 Speaker 1: Swift says in the one, the best films are never made. 1840 01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:02,840 Speaker 1: And I'll leave you guys with that and live with that. 1841 01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,120 Speaker 1: And you know we do end every episode with a song. 1842 01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:10,519 Speaker 1: This is for the best my reputation and then oor 1843 01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:17,160 Speaker 1: so he was liking me for me you can't wait 1844 01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:21,160 Speaker 1: and it was his knack and leave babe, but you 1845 01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:24,680 Speaker 1: can make me a drink one, two three, Let's go 1846 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:28,760 Speaker 1: bitche on the East side of when you have the 1847 01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:32,040 Speaker 1: host of that song. Listen to Reputation by Taylor to 1848 01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:40,600 Speaker 1: Bye