1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: They had a book called Ghost Dogs at the Appalachia, Right, Yeah, 2 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: when shut about as well. I mean, I'm sure on 3 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: the online I could probably find that. Hello, and welcome 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: to Savor. I'm Anny Rees and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. And 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: if you're listening to this on the day that it 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: comes out, or I mean maybe on another day, it 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: could be Halloween, it could be there's a chance that 8 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: it is. Yes, And Halloween is one of Lauren and 9 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: I's favorite holidays, maybe favorite holiday. It's certainly up there. 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: It's not as good for like feasting, that's true, well, 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: feasting on candy and then regretting everything later. Yeah, I 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: have fewer regrets after Thanksgiving or Christmas meals. M I 13 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: actually have a pretty strict rule about my Halloween candy consumption. 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: I allow myself five candies, and it's Reese's kit, can't 15 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: I'll enjoy butterfinger eminempe nuts and then that's it. And 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: like five units of candy you're not talking about. You're 17 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: allowed to eat as much of those five as you want, 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: only one of each. But it's king size, and I 19 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: have to get it for free. I can't buy them, 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: so I have to find them. If it's king size, 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: that's fine. If it's a fun size, that's fine. Anyway, 22 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: we're not talking about my candy. No, No, we are 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: talking about Amorrow, which strangely enough has some of the 24 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: keystones of any good Halloween story. Spirits, Yeah, the alcohol variety, 25 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: see what you did there, also ghosts, which is magicians 26 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: who never reveal the secrets of their tricks. They aren't tricks, 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: their illusions. Yes, we're talking about Amorrow, which is a 28 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: type of alcohol. While we were in Ashville, we got 29 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: to visit an Amari distillery. Yeah, and I didn't know 30 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: much about Amari before this, But you're a pretty big fan, 31 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: aren't you. Oh yeah. I love ordering a shot of Amari, 32 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: or perhaps one with just like a couple of ice 33 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: cubes after dinner or at the end of an evening 34 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: if my stomach is maybe a little bit unsettled. There's 35 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: a pretty good chance that if my stomach is unsettled 36 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: because I've been drinking all evening, then that shot of 37 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: for Net or whatever it is is the last thing 38 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: that I actually should consume. Yeah, because it is still alcohol. 39 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: But yes, I like them very much, and they're great 40 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: in cocktails. I've consumed, especially recently as bars have started 41 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: stalking more different kinds of them a whole lot around Atlanta. Yeah, 42 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: I have seen it a lot more nowadays. But I 43 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: remember the first time I had for NET. I was 44 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: with a coworker of ours, Chandler, and we were out 45 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: very late and he somehow came up and he was like, 46 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 1: you've never heard of for net, You've never had for net. 47 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: We're really going to impress his bartender and order some 48 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: for Net and we did in the bartender was like 49 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: oh wow, and he gave us a free shot. It 50 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: was pretty cool, man, that's lovely. It was. Yeah. I 51 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: once won a Yager drinking contest in Australia. I just 52 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: wanted to throw this in there, like humble brag, humble brag, 53 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: not so humble brag. But all the other competitors were 54 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: already wasted and I was sober. So I think that's 55 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: how I won. I should put in here. Drink responsibly kids. Yes, yes, 56 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: it is funny that the prize I got was a 57 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollar bar tab. Wow. I thought that 58 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: was an interesting choice of prize. Hey, Yeager, myster, of 59 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: course is a German LaCour amri our Italian. They're in 60 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: a related group. But we've been talking about this thing 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: and you might be totally confused as to what we 62 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: are speaking about. So this brings us to our question, 63 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: am what are they? Well, Amari that's a plural, the 64 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: singular being amorrow are a loosely defined category of herbal 65 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: liquors that originated in Italy or m originally came to 66 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: popularity there anyway, and they can be in either the 67 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: category of appertivo or digestivo, meant to be drank before 68 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: a meal to stimulate your appetite or after a meal 69 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: to help with digestion. And if you haven't tried one straight, 70 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: if you drink cocktails, you have probably had one in 71 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: a cocktail. Types of amri are key ingredients in negronis 72 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: and apperl spritzes, both of which are pretty popular right now. Yeah, 73 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: And when it comes to a b V or alcohol 74 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: by volume, the number can range from to sev. Sometimes 75 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: they're aged in barrels, sometimes they're not. And if you're 76 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: wondering about flavor, well, amarrow is the Italian word for bitter, 77 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: if that gives you any idea, But they don't have 78 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: to be bitter. Well, they're always a little bit bitter, 79 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: but some range very dry, which brings out that bitterness more, 80 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: whereas others are quite sweet, sort of bitter sweet. And 81 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: depending on what herbs and spices and barks and roots 82 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: and roots and nuts and other snips and snails they're 83 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: made with, they can taste warm and spicy or like 84 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: bracing lee binty. And mentally, they can be citrus bright 85 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: or wood see dark. They can be grassy or vegetal, 86 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: or a little bit of all of the above. If 87 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: you're getting the idea that there is a lot of 88 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: variation in this category, you are totally correct. I love 89 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: this quote describing a Mari I found in a Savor 90 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: article from Southern Tigue over at New York City Bidders 91 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: Tasting Room. A more Ya Margo quote. How I explain 92 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: it to people, It's unexplainable. It's the wild West as 93 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: far as definition goes. Yeah, like apple, all that same 94 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: light orange liqueur that makes those spritz is so delightful. 95 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: Shares the category with for net Bronca, that sort of 96 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: mouth washy stuff that your bartender friend orders shots of, 97 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: and lots of different styles fit into the amorrow category. 98 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: Um alpino, rubber baro, car chiefio. And if all of 99 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: those words are totally unfamiliar to you, no worries. We 100 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: will get into a few of them in a bit here. 101 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: But more even than the breadth of styles of amori, 102 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: part of the difficulty in pinning down a definition is 103 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: the shroud of secrecy around the ingredients. You start with 104 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 1: a base alcohol, usually a neutral spirit like either brandy 105 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: or like a vodka, and then infuse it with whatever 106 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: you get and whatever you want to. Those ingredients are 107 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: proprietary and passed down from one generation to the next 108 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: and kept secret, like your grandmother's prize winning cookie recipe. 109 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: It's the Nestle Toll health recipe. Oh excuse me, tolows 110 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: i kid i kid that's an old friends reference for 111 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't know it. A marii date back to 112 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: medieval Europe, with pharmacists and monks prescribing the herbal tinctures 113 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: for medicinal purposes as early as the fourteen hundreds. Italian 114 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: merchants commercialized them in the seventeen hundreds, and this helped 115 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: cement their cultural significance in that country. By the nineteenth century, 116 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: Italian enjoy different kinds as either an impaired tief or 117 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: a digestif or both. It's, along with other bittering agents, 118 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: are thought to aid digestion, So why not All sorts 119 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: of ingredients that wind up in amari have this folk 120 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: history of medicinal use. Some of the most common ones 121 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: include Gentian root, which is thought to stimulate the liver, 122 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: chincona bark, which is the same stuff used to extract 123 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: coining and a long thought to be a stomach settler 124 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: and fever reducer, Angelica root, which is a pain reliever 125 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: and digestive aid. Mirror and green cardamom, both of which 126 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: are used for their heating properties and humoristic medicine. Um mint, 127 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: bitter orange, starnese, cinnamon, orris, wormwood, rhubarb. All this stuff, 128 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: all kinds of things. Yeah, Before Prohibition, Americans could get 129 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: their hands on a marine cities or areas with large 130 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: Italian communities. During Prohibition, one brand was allowed to keep 131 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: selling their wares as a cough medicine for net Bronka. 132 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: American soldiers returning home after being stationed in Italy during 133 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: World War Two brought with them a taste for amri, 134 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: and that opened up the US market a bit more. 135 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: One popular brand was Campari, which in Italy was seen 136 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: as a ladies drink because of the sweetness and the color. 137 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: Find that very interesting and something else interesting about for 138 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: net Bronca, for net Bronca and Coca Cola is the 139 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: national cocktail of Argentina. Yeah, a mari are very popular 140 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: in Argentina. Indeed they are, and a while they have 141 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: been popular there for decades and in Europe for centuries, 142 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: only recently did they start to take off here in 143 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 1: these states. Let's look at some amar numbers. In the 144 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: last decade, A mari sales in the US have multiplied 145 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: by eight times, and sales are up globally to consumption 146 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: of bitter liquors around the world raised four pent from 147 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: to seventeen and is projected to rise another thirty percent 148 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: between now and when a mari first started getting popularity 149 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: in the early aughts year in the States, that brand 150 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: for ne Bronca became a sort of bartender's handshake, ordering 151 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: one being sort of shorthand for saying like, oh, hey, 152 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm industry too, We're chill right, And then, coinciding with 153 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: the classic cocktail movement, bars started stalking not just like 154 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: one or two for that handshake, or to make a 155 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: mixed drink, but whole ranges for sipping straight or on 156 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: the rocks. Furthermore, Americans have been developing their palette for 157 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: better flavors, and in this our second decade of the 158 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: twenty one century, like, think about how much more often 159 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: you see espresso offered instead of just coffee um or 160 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: the wild growth of I p A style beer. We 161 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: have whole restaurants that are devoted to kale. I love kale, 162 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: I love kale too. But what I'm saying is that 163 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: we are getting more bitter by the minute. Yes, which 164 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: is great news for you, right favorite flavor? It certainly 165 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: is I know you, Lauren. And making a mari isn't 166 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: a strictly European thing anymore either, Asheville is home to 167 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: one of America's few amori makers, Chris Bauer and Rhett Murphy, 168 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: founders of the Ata Rhyne Distillery Company. We'd see there 169 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: are marian cocktails on menus around town, and we thought 170 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: we'd stop by for a tasting and let's see what 171 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: their story was. Here's Chris. We make a regional amari 172 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: that uses plants that have traditionally been used as fault 173 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: medicine in Western North Carolina. Western North Carolina has traditionally 174 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: been a hub for medicinal plants. We have a very 175 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: very bio diverse region here, and so we create spirits 176 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: that reflect the flavors of this region and the and 177 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: the plants of this region. They make three different styles 178 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: of amari, A light and dry alpine style tomorrow, a 179 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,119 Speaker 1: dark and pungent for net, and deep sweet nutty necino, 180 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: just you know, out of what's local and traditional to 181 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: North Carolina, not Italy. We went in for samples and 182 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: I think that I'm the only one of the three 183 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: of us along with superproducer Dylan, who's familiar, particularly with 184 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: the category. It's a very intense experience, and when we 185 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: were talking about tasting notes, we we definitely had responses 186 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: all across the board. I was just like, oh, this 187 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: one tastes grassy and floral. And I'm notoriously really bad 188 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: at describing flavors, which is great for this job. I 189 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: do remember that I never had anything like can occino before, 190 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: and I remember that being kind of both sweet and 191 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: chocolate but a little bitter. I really liked it. And 192 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: then the other ones. Floral is a good description. I 193 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: think they were pretty earthy and floral. Yeah, it is 194 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: like there's so many flavors going on that can be 195 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: hard to describe. Here's Chris again along with Rhett. The 196 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: interesting thing about you know tomorrow as again as a 197 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: genre of spirits, as you know, it's this intense combination 198 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: of different botanicals and how they react in your mouth, 199 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: in your palate. You can have a very subjective experience 200 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: of what you're tasting and part of when when we 201 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: were developing these flavors, which took a really long time, 202 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: the addition or subtraction of certain things wouldn't necessarily do 203 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: what you thought it would do because of the synergy 204 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: of ingredients together. Actually is kind of the beauty of 205 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: these things. As far as what makes up that flavor profile. 206 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: Like magicians safeguarding their secrets, the creators weren't telling. We'll 207 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: get into that after a quick break for word from 208 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: our sponsors, and we're back, Thank you sponsor. So yes, 209 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: secrecy injury. As we have discussed, tradition is a big 210 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: part of the lore around Amari, and the folks at 211 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: at Orion wanted to honor that when we asked about 212 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: the ingredients and process behind at arian samari. Yeah, Lom, 213 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: what was the word. We love the traditions of the 214 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: tomorrow making right and pretty much across the board, everything 215 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: that is made, the recipes, how it's made, tends to 216 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: be secret. There is a tradition of secrecy that goes 217 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: along with the making of amari, and we abide by 218 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: that tradition. Yeah, I'm sure that doesn't sure, that is 219 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: not what you wanted to hear. But uh, but you 220 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: know this this comes from to me, I love amari 221 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: as sort of a genre of spirits because it has 222 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: this very mysterious past and this comes from these ancient 223 00:13:54,520 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: alchemical recipes that were given to emperors and given to monks, 224 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: and the history is a very almost coco in like 225 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: all the different mysteries and and folk tales, and but 226 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think that it's it. Basically, 227 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: this genre started out as Faulk medicine, right. These are 228 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: elixirs or panaceas you know. They would share one part 229 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: of their process with us, where the ingredients come from. 230 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: Whatever goes into making these spirits is sourced locally, including 231 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: from Rhett's own farms and the surrounding woods. The exception 232 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: is during the winter months when ingredients from California and 233 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: Florida come into the equation out of necessity. That's where 234 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: their year rounds. They also make some seasonals, only available 235 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: for brief windows throughout the year. Some of the stuff 236 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: is wild crafted um that lends a seasonality that we 237 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: can't break through. So we have one spirit year that 238 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: we can only make one time of the year, and 239 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: that's because it comes out of the forest. We have 240 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: another one that I'm not gonna have you guys taste 241 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: because it's a secret. So many secrets. But let's talk 242 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: about the things that we did dry, like the noccino 243 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: And as I said, I'd never even heard of these, 244 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: and it brings us to our second what is it 245 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: moment of the episode. Noccino is a type of amari 246 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: that is made from walnuts, unripe green walnuts to be exact. 247 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: You pick them and chop them up whole. They'll have 248 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: a green outer shell that contains the developing inner shell 249 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: and the nut, that inner shell being the one that 250 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: you eventually would crack open to get at the nut 251 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: if you shell your own walnuts. Yeah, so you chop 252 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: them up and then you pack them with whatever botanicals 253 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: and spices you want, some sugar in there, and pack 254 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: them in alcohol that neutral spirit like the vodka the 255 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: brandy again. And yeah, there is a lot of history 256 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: behind Nuccino too. Luckily for us, Chris is a willing storyteller. 257 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: So traditionally, no Chino. They haven't been as big commercial 258 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: spirits as they are like homemade spirits in Italy. And 259 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: so traditionally, on said John the Baptist day, John the 260 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: Baptist night, the three of June was the traditional harvest day. 261 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: When the Romans took over the Britons, they discovered that 262 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: on the you know, summer solstice, they were drinking this 263 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: strange beverage that had black walnuts in it, and that 264 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: they would drink this beverage and they would talk to 265 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: goblins and witches. And the Romans loved this beverage so 266 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: much that they took it back to Rome and it 267 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: was a summer solstice tradition. Once the Empire turned to Christianity, 268 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: like everything else, they took the pagan holidays them into Christendom, 269 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: and so they made it a tradition that on St. 270 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: John the Baptist night, the women would climb the trees 271 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: barefoot to pick the black walnuts as the men tended 272 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: giant bonfires. And these bonfires were designed to keep the 273 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: witches away because the witches desired the black walnuts. We 274 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: told you there would be witches. We would never mislead 275 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: you about witches. Everybody wanted the black walnuts, but the 276 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: witches loved the black walnuts so much because the black 277 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: walnuts were hermaphroditic right. They had this perfect union between 278 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: masculine and feminine. So they would pick it at night 279 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: and they would tend to these bonfires, and they would 280 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: have to keep these witches away because what made the nutsie, 281 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, work, was that the dow would fall, the 282 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: morning dew would fall on the black walnuts and impregnate 283 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: them with this magic, creating this um elixir and pantasy 284 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: of great health, and so that they would they would 285 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: take the walnuts on St. John the Baptist Day, and 286 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: then they would start creating the nucino and uh and 287 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: they would they would store this nucino until November when 288 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: they would break it out and you would celebrate the 289 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: holidays and then go through the winter and drink called 290 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 1: the nucino and then you would be ready to start 291 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: the process again. So we would love to have people 292 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: climb trees barefoot around here, but unfortunately, our black walnuts 293 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: really don't come into the right size until a little 294 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: bit later in the year. So um, when we can, 295 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: we'll keep the tradition. We were curious about what inspired 296 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: Chris and Rhet to recreate these traditions in Asheville because 297 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: its interest in distilling actually started with a different liquor. 298 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: You know, I grew up here in western North Carolina, 299 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: so just as a matter of fact of everyday life, 300 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: my pappy would take me into the woods and we 301 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: would you know, he would teach me about different plants 302 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: and and their uses, whether they were edible plants or 303 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: medicinal plants, and that was just like sort of a 304 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: part of my life that again was just sort of pedestrian. 305 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: I didn't really think too much about it, and then 306 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: as I became a teenager, I really didn't care about it. 307 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: You know. I had the opportunity as a as a 308 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: young man to live over in Europe for a couple 309 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: of years, and that's where I sort of started very 310 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: first getting to know some of the Amari and things 311 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: like Chartrusse. And at one point I came across the 312 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: story about how there was this counterfeit Chartreus that that surfaced, 313 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: um and I was just so fascinated, obviously by the 314 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 1: story of Chartreus, and I said, you know what, I'm 315 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: gonna attack this recipe. I want to counterfeit and Chartreus, right, 316 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, bad idea. I did not figure that one out. 317 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: But what I did figure out was I started while 318 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: like working with these alpine plants, some of which I 319 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: had already known from uh here, and then it just 320 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: sort of started, just sort of a light bulb came on, 321 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: you know, like, well, you know this is all like 322 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: herbal liqueurs, you know Tomorrow's tonics. We have such a 323 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: huge history with that here in western North Carolina. And honestly, 324 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: one day I woke up. I was living in a 325 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: cabin out in Fairview, which is about thirty minutes outside 326 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: of town, and um, I was on sixty acres and 327 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: I had walked that land, and I knew what medicinal 328 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: plants we had at their root. Amri our vehicles for storytelling, 329 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: they're meant to take you to a place. Chris did 330 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: describe one experience he had with a homebrewed tomorrow is 331 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: being a little trippy, a little reminiscent of the whole 332 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: like absinth, green fairy kind of thing. Note here that 333 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: absinth does not actually have measurable psychoactive properties aside from 334 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: getting you drunk. We did a whole episode about that. 335 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: But I would also say that one should exercise caution 336 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: when infusing medicinal plants into boothe I think that is 337 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: some good advice. But some experiences transport you in a 338 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: different way. I just thought to myself, this is how 339 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: you can affect people. This is the high art, right. 340 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: That's something I love about these flavors is that there 341 00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: is something like you somehow experience the history and the 342 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: care and the process, and you know that is even 343 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: a little connection to the land a little bit too, 344 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, this is this is literally a 345 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: product of this place that I really love. And so 346 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: I don't know, there could be a little bit of 347 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: that as well, I would hope. So that's what that's 348 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: what our passion is is to have captured this place, 349 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: capture this ter war, you know, and the people everything combined. 350 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: That's what I like about tar War, right, It's everything, 351 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: you know, soil, people, water, insects, yeah, wind, you know. 352 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: But hey, we promised you a ghost story. We would 353 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: not stif if you want to go story and we 354 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: will get to it as soon as we get back 355 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: from one more quick break for a word from our sponsor, 356 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsor. So one of the 357 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: questions that we asked the guys that at a rhyme 358 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: was where did you get that name? And they were 359 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: a little mysterious about it, as they were about so 360 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: many things. M M. They said it was taken from 361 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: a local ghost story, but that they wanted to wait 362 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: until October to release it publicly. So we caught up 363 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: with Chris on the phone a couple of weeks ago 364 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: about why they chose that story and that name. Yeah, 365 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: the decision comes from two different places. The first one 366 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: was that, you know, we really wanted a very southern 367 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: um kind of name, like a beautiful very you know, 368 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: there's a lot of beautiful, unique names down here in 369 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: the South and especially up here in the mountains, and 370 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: we wanted to have liked this this type of of 371 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: name and something even how how it sounds, how how 372 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: you speak it, and with that and thinking about it, 373 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: like it seemed like there were so many like that 374 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: the Land of Spirits were occupied by mainly male names. 375 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: You know some of the classics Jack Daniels and Beamed, 376 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, happy Name, Lincol. You know, it's like the 377 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: branding is sort of male dominated. And we were like, 378 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: there's so many beautiful female names. We would like to 379 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: have female names. Um. And then thinking about that, then 380 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: there's this ghost story and it's the ghost story of 381 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: Eta Rhyme and and to me, that name is just 382 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: a very beautiful Southern um name. And then looking into 383 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: the story itself, that is revenge story. It is a 384 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: moralistic tale, and uh, it just seemed to really fit them. 385 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: I don't know the zeitgeist at the moment. And ghost 386 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: stories based in Hayward County, which is you know where 387 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: my family is from, and um where it's very close 388 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: to Asheville. Um, Hayward County is one county over and 389 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: I still have a lot of family over there, and 390 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: it just seemed like a nice thing. We will never 391 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: turn down a good ghost story. We're a bad one 392 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: for that matter. We're pretty equal opportunity when it comes 393 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: to ghost stories. But we had to ask why whether 394 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: they are or not. I feel like ghost stories, for 395 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: the most part have much really um deep things to 396 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: say and can communicatings through uh these whether or not 397 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: their fantasies or not, um things that really can you know, 398 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: have impacted in our lives. So in the in the 399 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: case of the ghost story of a Run, I think 400 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: I come away with some very solid insights on humanity 401 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: and just some moral instruction that's quite you know, quite fearful, 402 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: uh and should be, because the world in which we 403 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: live in is not always a noice place and the 404 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: people who live in this world are always nice, and uh, 405 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: we as individuals have to endure horror through our lives, 406 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: and I think that these kinds of stories just sort 407 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: of given expression to that, whether it's our fears, our anxieties, 408 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: or our actual experience. But it's it's alten fun, you know. 409 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: That's also we've talked about those metaphors, the way that 410 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: horror can reflect culture before on the show when we 411 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: did that reading of a Goblin Market with the stuff 412 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: to blow your mind. Guys and Anny, you and I 413 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: have talked about it on your other stuff. Mom never 414 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: told you. Yes, I think probably anyone who's listened to 415 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: me speak for more than a minute, knows that I 416 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: love horror movies and I think that they are a 417 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: great reflection of anxieties we have as a culture and 418 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: moral hang ups and all kinds of fascinating parts of humanity. Yeah, 419 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: that episode, Um, if y'all don't listen to stuff mom 420 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: never told you a it's really fantastic and be and 421 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: he invited me on to talk about women in horror 422 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: movies and why you know that trope in the first 423 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: ten minutes of the movie where a lady is like, 424 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: I have a bad feeling about this, this seems can 425 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: we leave, and you know, all the dudes around her 426 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: are like, Oh, don't worry, You're so anxious and womanly, 427 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: it will be just fine. And then everyone hacken dies. Yes, yeah, 428 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: you know that old trope. That trope. Yeah, so why 429 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: are women not believed in horror movies and real life? 430 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: So go check that out if that seems like a thing, 431 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: that's interesting. I think we had a lot of fun 432 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: talking about it. But yeah, I mean, that's all very serious, 433 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: but it's also just fun. Yeah. Chris got a local 434 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: North Carolinian poet to tell the story of a Ryan 435 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: for them one Benjamin Prior, is it go story time? 436 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: I think it's go story time? Yes, all right, take 437 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: it away. The legend of ed Iran starts back in 438 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: Civil War days up on Leatherwood Top and Haywood County 439 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: near Cataluchi. Well, a lot of people don't know, is 440 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: not everybody in the South wanted to be a part 441 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: of the Confederacy. A lot of poor people didn't. And 442 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: being a poorer farming and family in Iran and her 443 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: father didn't care for the secession at all, put him 444 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: in odds with the rich people of the county. One day, 445 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: Grady Mitchell, the son of the richest man in the valley, 446 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: came riding up the road and laid eyes on that 447 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: Iran now and it was very beautiful in her then 448 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: on spirit fair skin, and said to glow like a 449 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: halo around her. Grady Mitchell decided he had to have her, 450 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: but Dada refused his advances because she was in love 451 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: with another boy who lived across the mountain and Shelton's 452 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: coat called Bird. He was a poor toback, a farmer's boy. 453 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: Eda Rhyan loved him, didn't care that he was poor 454 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: because he had a good soul and treated her with respect. 455 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: Grady Mitchell obsessed over Edda. He convinced his daddy to 456 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: use his standing to talk at his father into having 457 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: her attended harvest dance. Grady not Bird. After protesting, she 458 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: finally relented to her father's demand, but she still made 459 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: plans to meet Bird. Dance came and Grady Mitchell arrived 460 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: in his father's fine carriage, but they had a despised 461 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: Grady Mitchell more than ever. Grady didn't care about her 462 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: feelings and only wanted to be seen with a most 463 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: beautiful girl in the county. He was convinced that his 464 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: wealth and good looks and turned at his heart and 465 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: she'd be stupid to pass him up. While Gratty was 466 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: bragging into a group of his friends, he had a 467 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: snuck off of Bird. They're leaving though one of Gratty's 468 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: friends song. The boys ridiculed laughed at Gratty, Infuriating outside, 469 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: Eda and Bird kissed under a harvest moon, and Graty 470 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: Mitchell he attacked Bird, knocked him out, grabbed it of 471 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: forcing their own to the carriage. On the ride back 472 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: to Eda's farm, Gratty's embarrassment and shame fueled his anger. 473 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: He had a strangle to jump from the carriage, but 474 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: Gretty's grasp was too powerful. She finally lashed out with 475 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: her nails and scratched the gash into his handsome face. Livid, 476 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: Gratty stopped the carriage, grabbed it a drugger into the woods, 477 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: and strangled As her soul left her body, the church 478 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: bell and the valley rang out twelve times. Grady Mitchell 479 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: was arrested for murder. Grady's daddy used his influence to 480 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: get him off, regardless of it the father Bird's protests, 481 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: Grady Mitchell walked free and his heart Graty glowy at 482 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: hadn't beaten the law. He fed his arrogance. Grady went 483 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: to sleep drunk. That night. He was woke by a 484 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: rustling outside of his window. Grady looked out the window 485 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: to see what it was. He saw the ghost of 486 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: at Iran. He heard the ringing church bells in his head. 487 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: With each ring, it got louder, and the ghost of 488 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: at Iran got closer and closer uncause she was face 489 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: to face with him. When the last bell rang out, 490 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: she started strangling him. He was paralyzed by fear and 491 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: Soon he gassed his last breath, and he woke up 492 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: the next night the ghost of ved iran period and 493 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: again the bells rang and he was strangled. Night after 494 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: night the ghost appeared, and even though he tried not 495 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: to sleep, every night he was strangled. Soon, Grearty Mitchell 496 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: saw the ghost of It a rhine everywhere, and was 497 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: haunted by the maddening ring of the church bells throughout 498 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: the day. Slowly he distended into madness, his family's wealth 499 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: and power unable to help. Eventually, Gratty Mitchell decided to 500 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: take his own life and climbed the top of Mango 501 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: Falls and threw himself to the rocks below. But his 502 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: suicide wasn't successful, only mutilated his handsome face paralyzed his 503 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: strong body. Gratty Mitchell spent the rest of his life 504 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: haunted by the sound of church bells ringing in his head, 505 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: unable to scream, unable to move, unable to try and 506 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: take his life again. They say, Lissy, walk on Lettlewood 507 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: top at night you hear a church bell rang out. 508 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: It's a ghost of it. I Ryan looking for her 509 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: lost love, and uh, yeah, there you have it. I 510 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: love a good ghost story. It's a beautiful story and 511 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: beautifully told. Yeah. Thank you so much to Chris Bower 512 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,239 Speaker 1: and Rhett Murphy and all the folks over at at 513 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: a Rhyan for sharing that story with us and speaking 514 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: to us. Um. Also thanks goes out to Jason Allison 515 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: of Wicked Weed for introducing us to Kelly Denson, who 516 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: introduced us to these fine fellows. Yes, there's a lot 517 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: of chain of introductions happening here And if you would 518 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: like to get in touch with us, if you have 519 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: a ghost story that you would like to share, oh yeah, 520 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: we would love to or from you. Our email address 521 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 1: is hello at saver pod dot com. We're also on 522 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: social media. You can find us on Twitter, Instagram, and 523 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: Facebook at saver Pod. Thanks as always to super producer 524 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: Dylan for making our jobs lovely, not just easy, but 525 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 1: pretty excellent. Thank you to our co executive producers Christopher 526 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: Hasseiotas and Julie Douglas. Thanks to you for listening, and 527 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: we hope that lots more good things are coming your way. 528 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: I want listeners. I'm excited for them to hear the 529 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: noc No story. Yeah, because it is wild. Yes, Oh 530 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: my goodness, there's climbing up trees by barefoot woman involved 531 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: only start on the Baptists fire. Yeah, black walnuts. Yeah. 532 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: You know. You go into a distillery and end up 533 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: talking about all kinds of things related