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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: On your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 2: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And we are back.

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Speaker 4: I'm Dale Lollie, who is being Matt Williamson, and this

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Speaker 4: is the start of our number two of the Drive

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Speaker 4: here on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt I thought we

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Speaker 4: would let's take a look at the AFC North and

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Speaker 4: compare the Steelers roster with what other teams have in the.

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Speaker 3: Individual go with that. We gotta do that every so often.

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Speaker 4: Uh So I'm starting off here at wide receiver since

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Speaker 4: we just got to talk a little.

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Speaker 3: Wider greve me two segments here. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So for the Ravens, the starters are Zay Flowers with

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Speaker 4: Sean Bateman Nelson Agilar.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think Flowers is a really good player and

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Speaker 3: should take another step forward in year two. I don't

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Speaker 3: know that it'll ever be a great player though. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: little size a special there. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. For the Bengals, it's Shamar Chase t Higgins for

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Speaker 4: now and Trenton Irwin is the number three, although they

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Speaker 4: get your.

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Speaker 3: Main Burton has a chance to knock him out. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'll see.

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Speaker 4: But for the Browns. It's Samari Cooper, Elijah Moore, Jerry Judy.

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Speaker 4: That sounds better on paper than it is.

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Speaker 3: In Yeah life. More still is a square peg in

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Speaker 3: a round hole in the NFL. Yeah. I liked him

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Speaker 3: a lot coming out, and it just hasn't worked.

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Speaker 4: For the Steelers. It's George Pickens, Van Jefferson, Roman Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the Steelers are clearly third, yeah,

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Speaker 3: or fourth.

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Speaker 4: I mean, but I think if we were ranking the

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Speaker 4: players individually, obviously Chase would be number one.

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Speaker 3: I think Higgins is two. Higgins are Cooper?

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Speaker 4: Well, Higgins is coming off a bad year. Yeah, Cooper's

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Speaker 4: coming off.

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Speaker 3: A good year. Yeah, Cooper's underrated player.

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Speaker 4: Can he still do it? Though he's he's over thirty now,

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Speaker 4: can he still play at that level?

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Speaker 3: I think he's more well rounded than Higgins. But those

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Speaker 3: two are high quality starters.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but picking George Pickens is no worse than four.

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Speaker 3: Right, I'd go Pickens, probably Flowers next at five. Then

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Speaker 3: you're getting into Bateman, Judy More. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know that. It's like, well, I understand

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Speaker 4: people being like, you need to have.

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Speaker 3: More conversation all the position groups in terms of defending

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Speaker 3: the stealers. Right, it's rough.

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Speaker 4: But I look at these other teams and I'm like, they.

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Speaker 3: Get holes too. Yeah, they're all far from perfect. I

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Speaker 3: like Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Cincinnati's a Cincinnati, but you know the the

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Speaker 4: like the Browns. For example, Elijah Moore has done nothing

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Speaker 4: in his time in the NFL, and Jerry Judy's a maniac.

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Speaker 3: And they're overpaying for him to I mean, like, this

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Speaker 3: isn't a conversation of roster construction, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: But Chase is about to get super expensive, which is

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Speaker 4: I mean, but it's also going to CoStim Higgins.

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Speaker 3: And Higgins won't be there past this year. I have

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Speaker 3: no doubt in my mind about that. I don't know

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Speaker 3: that the Browns can keep up, considering Watson's contract, all

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Speaker 3: three veterans that are making money.

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Speaker 4: Cooper's more than twenty million a year, and now they're

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Speaker 4: paying Judy fifteen, Like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I don't understand that. And I don't know that it

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Speaker 3: re FLEC's great for a Mari's long term stint in Cleveland. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I will say I think Pickens could get the number

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Speaker 3: two on that list. Yeah, you could pass Higgins and Maari.

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Speaker 3: You know, this time next year we might be like,

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Speaker 3: that's bonkers.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, quarterback is quarterback. Yeah, you know, we know slamar

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't love their backup situation.

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Speaker 4: Backup situation. They get five guys.

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Speaker 3: I think they drafted a guy. They drafted Leary.

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Speaker 4: They drafted Leary. They also signed Emery Jones as a

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Speaker 4: It's not a great one.

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Speaker 3: I always thought Huntley was overrated, but as backups go,

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Speaker 4: The Bengals, it's Show Burrow, Jake Browning, Logan Woodside, Rocky Lombardy.

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Speaker 4: The Browns.

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Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson, Jamis Winston, Tyler Huntley, Dorian Thompson Robinson and

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Speaker 3: I think for those dudes are going to make the team, why.

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Speaker 4: Do you bring in a camp? I guess maybe for

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Speaker 3: I guess. I mean, if you're Jacob Simon, that's my

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Speaker 3: last place of the thirty two spots.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to know. You're getting the bottom

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Speaker 3: I wonder what they do with quarterback wraps. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: it's all in on Watson.

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Speaker 4: They can't keep four.

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Speaker 3: They're not gonna cut Thompson Robinson though, right the other

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Speaker 3: two they gave money, right, I think they're going keep four. Wow. Weird.

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Speaker 4: For the Steelers, it's Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, Kyle Allen,

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Speaker 3: Plumbly, which yeah, we all know that part.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's not a stretch to say that the

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Speaker 3: This might be three.

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Speaker 4: They might have the best backup situation. I mean, Jamis

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Speaker 4: carry some weight, but he hasn't.

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Speaker 3: Played a lot of Steelers are the best backups. He

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Speaker 3: And I'm a Winston guy. Winston might be veteran Watson,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's possible, but I would take the Steelers

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Speaker 3: backups for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, looking here at running back Browns isn't great either, No,

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Speaker 4: it's well, I mean yeah, For the Ravens, it's Derrick Henry,

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Speaker 4: It's Justice Hill, Rasheen, Ali, Keaton, Mitchell, owen Wright, Chris Collier.

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Speaker 4: It's all about Derrick Henry, it is.

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Speaker 3: And I was impressed with Mitchell, but then he had

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Speaker 4: For the Bengals, it's Sack Moss, Chase Brown, Travian Williams,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay. At best. I mean, they'll probably get more

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Speaker 3: what the Bills were doing with him.

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Speaker 4: For the Browns at Snick Chubb, Jerome Ford, Nam Hines,

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Speaker 4: Deontay Foreman, John Kelly, Pierre Strong, Aiden.

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Speaker 3: Robinson, actually a lot of names on there. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: don't know the Chubb's gonna be ready for the start

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Speaker 3: of the season. Yeah, I think he screams populist, especially

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Speaker 3: after the fact that he.

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Speaker 4: Took a pay cut to stay there. Tells me yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And for the Steelers, Nagie Harris, Jaleen Warren, Cordero Patterson,

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Speaker 3: Edwards isn't a throw by, No, he's not. I mean

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Speaker 3: I think Edwards could be something. With all respect of

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Speaker 3: Derrick Henry, I'll take the stealer room of the four.

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Speaker 4: I mean, really, if you start you start looking at it.

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Speaker 4: We talked about this last year. The only duo that

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I think they're the second and third

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Speaker 3: best back in the division. And Henry could fall off

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Speaker 3: a cliff and could be the one I can't call.

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Speaker 4: I can't call Hubb that any right, we don't know

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Speaker 3: I really hope he does because he's a joy to

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Speaker 3: watch and I think he's one of the those are

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Speaker 3: two of the best backs of this generation. But Henry,

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Speaker 3: they both had a lot of wear and tear, and

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Speaker 3: I still think Henry is going to be really good,

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Speaker 4: Be Yeah, yeah, So I just don't know. Looking here, well,

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Speaker 4: you can't just look at it. Can't just look at

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Speaker 4: had a couple of undred agents, but obviously Andrews unlikely one.

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Speaker 3: Of the best sight end rooms in the league.

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Speaker 4: Carry Yeah, yeah, likely, it's a good player for the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Not bad. I mean, if I think all Is are

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Speaker 3: you said, Goecki's the one right now. Yeah, He's not

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Speaker 3: money than he probably should be. Yeah, they're different types.

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Speaker 4: They drafted him in the second round in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's okay, It's a little better than it was

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Speaker 3: for the Browns.

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Speaker 4: It's in Djoku Jordan Akins, Giovanni ricci Zaire, Mitchell Payden,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm basically the Joku and a bunch of dudes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they play a lot of twelve and thirteen too. I'd

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Speaker 4: And for the Steelers is Pat Friarmouth, Darnell Washington, Connor Hayward,

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Speaker 3: So if you were to rank the tight ends in

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Speaker 3: Andrews one, Yeah, the joke who had a better year

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Speaker 3: than friar Mouth. But I really thinky're tied for second,

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Speaker 3: probably likely next. I think he'd be my four, taking

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Speaker 3: him over Gasecki or Washington or Yeah. Okay, but I

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Speaker 3: like to steel Hiss depth.

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Speaker 4: No a great depth there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, not a bad spark at all.

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Speaker 4: Looking at the offensive tackles position, this is where it

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Speaker 4: gets really interesting. For the Ravens, you're looking at Ronnie Stanley,

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Speaker 3: I mean, hopefully Stanley is back to being Stanley or

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Speaker 4: He's talking about wrong side of thirty now, yeah, and

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he

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Speaker 4: is the Matt Williamson and Matt will continue to look

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Speaker 4: here at the AFC North. As we look at each

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Speaker 4: just list defensive ends first. Okay, okay, So you're looking

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Speaker 4: for the Ravens at Broderick Washington, Brent Urban.

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Speaker 3: Matta Bouque is not Matta Bouquet is.

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Speaker 4: Not even considered he's because he's a defensive tackle for

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Speaker 4: the Bengal. It's Sam Hubbard, Trey Hendrickson Cam sample Miles Murphy,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a hard conversation. I mean, it's really

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Speaker 3: I mean, like the best guys aren't really listed there.

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Speaker 4: I would too the first.

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Speaker 4: Did play all that great last Yeah he's.

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Speaker 4: No, looking here at the defensive tackles, this is where

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Speaker 3: There's no star there. Their d line is all about

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Speaker 3: it's a good group overall, I mean their entire front

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Speaker 3: I don't think you get the value of that.

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Speaker 4: van Ney with the Jabu coming off the bench and

437
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 4: a decent Isaac.

438
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 3: Okay potential Yeah, no potential. But it's been that way

439
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 3: for years now, right time.

440
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 4: Van Loy was their best guy last year.

441
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 3: Uh?

442
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, but van Dey was right there right.

443
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 3: Those two are really nice cheap signings veteran dudes. It's

444
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 3: not the dudes you're counting on.

445
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 4: Right, the other guys you draft. Oh it was a

446
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 4: first round draft pick in twenty twenty one.

447
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 3: He's done nothing. He's done nothing, and the other Penn

448
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 3: State dude might go past him even I mean, he's

449
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 3: not a bad prospect either. I don't love their edge guys.

450
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 4: For the Bengals. This is where they get kind of

451
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 4: they gets Jermaine Pratt, a Keem Davis, Gaither, Shaka Hayward.

452
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean these are off the ball linebackers. Cleveland

453
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 3: will be the same Cleveland.

454
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 4: Ash list too. They get Devon Bush, Yeah, Jeremiah Wosu, Cormona,

455
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 4: Tony Fields, and Nathaniel Watson.

456
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Speaker 3: I'm still a big j ok fan. Pratt's a decent player.

457
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 3: I mean, they're they're linebackers though.

458
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,199
Speaker 4: I mean, if they line up with Devon Bush in

459
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Speaker 4: a Wosu coma, they're not stopping any buddy from running

460
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Speaker 4: the football.

461
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Speaker 3: Wow, who did they draft again? I remember like he

462
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,199
Speaker 3: was Okay, it was six round guy, he could go

463
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 3: ahead a Bush. They need a little more beef though.

464
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Speaker 4: That's a very undersized m hm. Like they're gonna give up.

465
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 4: They're gonna be gashed again in the road.

466
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that's why they have Ika

467
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: and Tomlinson and nose tackle types. But Ikas might not

468
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 3: even make the team, right, I mean, he was a

469
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Speaker 3: bust as a rookie for the Steelers.

470
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Speaker 4: You're looking at t J. Watt, Alex high Smith, Nick Herbig,

471
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 4: Kyn Johnson, Jeremiah Moon, David.

472
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Speaker 3: Carlis, if we just talk edge guys. I don't bet.

473
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna fight about Watson and Garrett. I mean,

474
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Speaker 3: I think Hendrickson's clearly three, but Highsmith's four, and I'm

475
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Speaker 3: not sure who's even close. He's better than Hubbard. I

476
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 3: think he's better in Zadarius, better than all the Baltimore guys. Yeah,

477
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 3: so you get to the top four.

478
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Speaker 4: No, like yeah?

479
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Speaker 3: I agree?

480
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Speaker 2: Uh.

481
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Speaker 4: Looking then at the off ball linebackers, the inside back

482
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 4: now this is where things have changed dramatically for the.

483
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and actually the whole division used to be really bad. Yeah,

484
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 3: and now it's not so.

485
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 4: For the races, you got Rokwan Smith, you got Trenton Simpson. Yeah,

486
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 4: with Chris Board and Josh Ross behind them.

487
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 3: Brokwan's the best of the division. Yeah.

488
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 4: For the Bengals, you got Logan Wilson backed up by

489
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Speaker 4: Joe Bashie.

490
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Speaker 3: Wi Rogan player.

491
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah for the Bengals, or for the Browns,

492
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Speaker 4: I should say Jordan Hicks.

493
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Speaker 3: Kick. I mean that's their quote, thumper. You know, to

494
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Speaker 3: your your point about Bush and j Ok.

495
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 4: They might give up one hundred and sixty and seventy

496
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Speaker 4: rushing yards per game.

497
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Speaker 3: Yeah that's not great.

498
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 4: Uh, and then for the Steelers you got Patrick Queen,

499
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 4: Landon Roberts, Cole Holcomb, Peyton Wilson, Mark Robinson.

500
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Speaker 3: I think I would take that room over the Ravens,

501
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 3: which is hard to say because I think Rokwan's the

502
00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 3: second best linebacker in the league. But I think all

503
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: four of those dudes can play. Those are the Steelers, Yeah,

504
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: and be starters, you know, and that's a nice commodity.

505
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 3: I don't know who had take between Queen and Wilson,

506
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: they're both high quality starters, yeah, you know. And j

507
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 3: Okay had put in that list too. He's a little

508
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: different than those guys. But all three used to be

509
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: a really weak division, right division. I remember us doing

510
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 3: this like two years ago, Like, I don't really want

511
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 3: any of these guys. Roqu wasn't a division. Yeah, it

512
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: was rough.

513
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's move on the cornerback for the Ravens, Nate Wiggins,

514
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 4: Brandon Stevens, Jalen Armore, Davis, TJ Tampa. These are just

515
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: the outside corner.

516
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So they didn't mention hum for him?

517
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 4: Is there a nickel?

518
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 3: They like Stevens a lot. He's a quality player, and

519
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 3: I think the first rounder Wiggins will be you know,

520
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: but he's not real, not real physical, not real physical

521
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 3: or strong. Yeah.

522
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 4: For the Bengals, you're looking at Camaylor, Britt, DJ Turner,

523
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 4: dj Ivy, Josh Newton.

524
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: And they switched Dax Hill to corner. I don't know

525
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 3: if I think they're gonna play. I think he's gonna

526
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 3: be slot. You know, he's gonna be there. Cooper dejene

527
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 3: type again. I don't like. I don't dislike the Ravens

528
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: or the Bengals corners. I don't think they're great though.

529
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: I think it's a B.

530
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Speaker 4: For the Browns, it's Denzel Ward, Martin Emerson, with Justin

531
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 4: Hardy and Khalif Alassie behind those guys. The starters are good.

532
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, depth isn't great.

533
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 4: The depth is not good at all. That's that's the

534
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 4: entire Browns roster. Really.

535
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 3: That's a lot of what they have. Yeah, I mean

536
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: they have so much money spent that depth isn't great,

537
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 3: and they've had it. They've had second round picks and

538
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 3: stuff lately. I mean they've had a lot of quality

539
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: draft picks, a Watson deal right.

540
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 4: For the Steelers, you're looking at Joey Porter Jr. Dante Jackson,

541
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 4: you got Corey Trace Junior.

542
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Speaker 3: You got it Rush not On. They call him a slot.

543
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 3: They're calling him a slot.

544
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Speaker 4: I don't know where people getting that from.

545
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: But I never thought that either. But you keep hearing

546
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: it here and there that he could be in the

547
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 3: mix with slot. I'm like, really foresee that. But maybe

548
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 3: Newsom's not really a slot either.

549
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 4: You got the Ryan Watstrown in there, the cron draft.

550
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 4: Interesting player, Luke Barku, Kaylen Barnes, Anthony of Rhett who

551
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 4: they signed over the weekend.

552
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, underrated picked right, Yeah, no, I'm super I'm not

553
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: sure I trade Porter for any of them. I think

554
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: Ward's a better player, probably right this minute, but I

555
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: wouldn't trade them in terms of what their future.

556
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 4: A different style, right, really different style. Looking at the Nichols.

557
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: For the Ravens, it's Marlon Humphrey backed up by Arthur Malette.

558
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: Really good.

559
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 4: They also have the Marion Williams there. For the Bengals,

560
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 4: it's Mike Hilton, Jalen Davis. They don't list the Hills.

561
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: I think they must still have them as a safety.

562
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 4: For the Browns, it's Greg Newsom, Cameron Mitchell for the

563
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 4: Steelers right now, Darius Rush, Josiah Scott, Thomas Graham, and

564
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 4: then Beanie.

565
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 3: Pretty good strength for the other three teams in division. Yeah,

566
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Speaker 3: I mean there's there's guys that would be outside starters

567
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: and kind of are Humphrey Newsome Hilton.

568
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 4: If Humphrey is still that though just at this point

569
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 4: in his career.

570
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: I was wondering it was Humphrey on the decline? Is

571
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: Hilton on the decline? I can't see Hilton lasting long?

572
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: I might say yes, and yes, yeah, I would lean

573
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: that way. Doesn't mean they're gonna be bad this year, right, right,

574
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: they've peaked.

575
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: But the fact that the Bengals are even talking about

576
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 4: moving Hill into this.

577
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: Well, when we get their safeties, you'll figure out why

578
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: they got so many safeties all of a sudden after

579
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: having nun last year.

580
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 4: Right.

581
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 3: But I'm not sure that they know what to do

582
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: with Hill. No, I don't think they. I mean, that's

583
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: the Degene conversation too, like, yeah, I love him, but

584
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 3: if he doesn't work out somewhere, is position two going

585
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 3: to be? Okay?

586
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: Uh? At safety for the Ravens is Marcus Williams with

587
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 4: Kyle Hamilton A Darius Washington sansuy Kane. They've only got

588
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 4: really three.

589
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 3: The top two are as good as are in the league.

590
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: But they love big Nickel and they don't have their general.

591
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, Darius Washington is certainly not a big Nickel.

592
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 3: No, No, he's tiny. I think they're gonna have to

593
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: change their personal groupings. Yeah, and they lost Queen too,

594
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: so playing an extra linebacker is not going to be

595
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: as easy for him, right right, to play a little bit.

596
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 4: For the Bengals, it's Gino Stone Von Bell with back

597
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 4: Dax Hill and Jordan Battle behind those guys.

598
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: Battle wasn't terrible as a rookie. They just asked him

599
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: to do too much. Yeah, and the top two they

600
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: just paid. Uh.

601
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 4: For the Browns one Thornhill, Grant Delpit with Rodney McLeod

602
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 4: and d Anthony Bell behind those guys. They also have

603
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 4: Ronnie Hickman.

604
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: I'm a Delpit fan, and Thornhill's okay.

605
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: And for the Steelers you've got Menka Fitzpatrick, Deshaun, Elliott,

606
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 4: de Monte, kay z Uh, Jaylen, Elliott, Miles Killerbrew, Trenton Thompson.

607
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 3: I mean becoming I would imagine it's a strength this year.

608
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: I mean it's is already a strength.

609
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: I mean even like you got a guy like Jaylen

610
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: Elliott who's been in the league for several years now,

611
00:28:59,280 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: his start a game.

612
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like number six guy. Yeah, yeah, I think

613
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: that's a good situation for them. The whole division as

614
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: a hole is pretty good at safety. I mean, I

615
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: think Hamilton's a star. Still have some faith in Hill.

616
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: I don't know what he'll faith Hill, I what he'll

617
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: end up doing, but delp it's a really good player.

618
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: Thornhill's strong, Marcus Williams is good, Mink is number one,

619
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: but it's a good safety in linebacker group all of

620
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: a sudden, and.

621
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Speaker 4: Yeah, all of a sudden, everybody's up the middle is

622
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: pretty Yeah good.

623
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Speaker 3: Back seven in general is not bad in the division

624
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: right now.

625
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 4: Right there's not a team you look and go they're

626
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 4: in trouble.

627
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: But I mean, I know Cincinnati was down, but these

628
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: were four of the best defenses over the last two

629
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: years in the league too. Yeah, it's not Some divisions

630
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: aren't that strong here. I know, by the way, you've

631
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: got Mattabuque and Watt and Garrett and.

632
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that is there a division in

633
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: the league that has more star power and defense than

634
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 4: the North.

635
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: I was thinking Parsons and some of the Eagles dudes,

636
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: but I mean the Giants have a couple of dudes.

637
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: Washington as not much. I bet the answer is no.

638
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you could look at it in

639
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 4: a lot of ways and say every team in the

640
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 4: AFC North has a top five defensive player at least

641
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 4: one of the positions.

642
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: Maybe not sincey Hendrickson might be a top five pass

643
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: rush Yeah, say that's their best bet for it. But

644
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: they're also not weak anywhere. I mean, that's what's nice

645
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: about them too. Yeah, I think you're right.

646
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean you can make an argument that

647
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 4: Logan Wilson's a top five off the ball linebacker.

648
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe there's not a corner.

649
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: Porter might be there pretty soon.

650
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: I think it's not crazy. And then and none of

651
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: the teams are weak at corner, right, And we just

652
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: talked about how strong they are, and you know there's

653
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: good Nickels and all that too. I mean, it's probably

654
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: the best defensive division in the league.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's any doubt about that. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think at top to bottom, like the top to

657
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Speaker 4: all four of those teams are.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you could make the argument that the Browns

659
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Speaker 3: and Ravens were one and two last year. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're definitely the top five.

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Speaker 4: At least the Browns at home then they were one there. Yeah,

662
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 4: Road Browns were like thirty seconds right.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, that's a division, is the bottom line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, that is the division. In a nutshell,

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Speaker 4: We're going to get to another break. He is the

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Speaker 4: finish up the show right after this.

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Speaker 4: A couple of things here, Matt to some house cleaning stuff.

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Speaker 4: So it was reported over the weekend and I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to get into who reported what whatever, because we've

681
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Speaker 4: talked about this already. The Steelers opening some contract negotiations

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Speaker 4: with Cam Hayward.

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Speaker 3: Oh that too.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's something we've talked about on the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of expected that to becoming.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you want to extend him and keep him.

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Speaker 3: Right, so his deal's up after this year, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you could definitely I always looked at him as

689
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Speaker 3: someone to be an easy one to get cap space,

690
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Speaker 3: get cap relief if you have somewhere to use it,

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Speaker 3: which I mean that you.

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Speaker 4: Can always find places to use You get all these.

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Speaker 3: Places to use it, you know. So I don't I

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Speaker 3: can't imagine that if he became a free agent, he's

695
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Speaker 3: just leaving town, you know, if if you'll let the

696
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Speaker 3: contract expire. I don't think he's like running out the

697
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Speaker 3: door to go play for Kansas City or something. But

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Speaker 3: if you have money, or if you have somewhere in

699
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Speaker 3: mind to use a nice chunk this year by via

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Speaker 3: trade would be the only thing that makes sense to me.

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Speaker 3: Or someone becomes available that you want to give ten

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Speaker 3: million two or whatever at some position right.

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Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, any money that don't spend this year,

704
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Speaker 4: you can roll over. You roll it over in the

705
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Speaker 4: next year, right, and then all of a sudden you

706
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Speaker 4: have all you know, you're even more fast.

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Speaker 3: Space next year already. I mean, so if you make

708
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Speaker 3: the space now and don't use it, it's not like it's

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Speaker 3: it doesn't go away vacation days that get burned up

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Speaker 3: at the end of the year or whatever. So why not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a good move to basically

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Speaker 3: at a year is what I would imagine the contract

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Speaker 3: negotiations if you're looking.

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Speaker 4: At that in maybe a couple of years under the

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Speaker 4: end of it, and you know, see where it's at.

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Speaker 4: But you lower the number. His cap hit right now

717
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Speaker 4: is twenty two point four million dollars this year because

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Speaker 4: he's got a sixteen million dollar.

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Speaker 3: Base salary, which isn't that bad though it.

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Speaker 4: Really isn't when you compare it to what some of

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Speaker 4: the other defensive tackles got in the off season, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean, he's worth that money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can lower that number, particularly the cap

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Speaker 4: is by with that sixteen mollion dollar mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know, you turn that into in the signing bonus

727
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Speaker 4: for the most part.

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Speaker 3: And he'd be happy with that too. Get gets a

729
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Speaker 3: giant checking do whatever he wants with and so I

730
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Speaker 3: guess you don't want him being a lame duck. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's too important to the organization. I think that just

732
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: showed it ripples down to the other, you know, guys

733
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Speaker 3: on the roster that we take care of our guys.

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Speaker 3: You could retire a Steeler if you could be the

735
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Speaker 3: next one, Hey, proderc Jones, you know, you could have

736
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Speaker 3: the same career path as Cameron, you know, Cam Hayward.

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Speaker 3: If you're the same quality individual and player, will reward

738
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Speaker 3: you and you'll be here forever and your kids will

739
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Speaker 3: grow up here and all that good stuff. You know.

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Speaker 3: Do they need the cap relief right this second? No?

741
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Speaker 3: I mean I don't think this is a contract that's

742
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Speaker 3: holding up some DK metcalf trade or something, you know,

743
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Speaker 3: or they would have had it done, you know. But

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Speaker 3: to your point, why not create more roll it over

745
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Speaker 3: if you have to have it, if the trade deadline,

746
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Speaker 3: if you need it, or in camp or who the

747
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Speaker 3: heck knows. So I'd imagine it gets done.

748
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I would think both sides want something

749
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Speaker 4: to get done there. So I think that that certainly

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 3: I'd be shocked if he's like, I need Chris Jones

752
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Speaker 3: money and I need to be the highest paid defensive

753
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Speaker 3: player in the league. I mean, like, I can't see

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Speaker 3: that being a sticking point.

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Speaker 4: So we know now the first game of the season

756
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Speaker 4: is going to be Ravens at Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: That was good news for the Steelers because I always

758
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: think the team on the road for that game is

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Speaker 3: going to lose. Yeah, it's an awful place to play.

760
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Speaker 4: So the ring ceremony, they're dropping the banners.

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Speaker 3: You know, you knew they were going to play sometime.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think you want to be that team

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Speaker 3: that gets rewarded. The Chiefs game schedule release looks like

764
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Speaker 3: it's Wednesday. It is Wednesday, Okay, that's been announced, right, Yes.

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Speaker 3: One little thing I'm going to look at is I

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Speaker 3: hope the Ravens don't play the Steelers in Week two

767
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Speaker 3: because then they'll have ten days rest. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to make a story out of this.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if since the Ravens are playing Kansas City. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the last couple of seasons, the last few seasons, a

771
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Speaker 4: lot of what the league has done is you play

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Speaker 4: your your your division opponents in those first two weeks.

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Speaker 4: So with the Ravens playing Kansas City, do we not

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Speaker 4: get that in the AFC North this year? Do they

775
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Speaker 4: save those for later in the season?

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Speaker 3: Ah, how are you thinking? Maybe the Steelers, Browns, Bengals

777
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: don't match up in Week one either, same with probably

778
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Speaker 3: the West. Right, maybe the Steelers will play a West

779
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Speaker 3: team in the week one if all the divisions are

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Speaker 3: matching up except for those two, well it doesn't that

781
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Speaker 3: kind of leaves Yeah, maybe that's true. Maybe the West

782
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Speaker 3: and North will square off in Week one. Yeah, which

783
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Speaker 3: we find some people wouldn't want to go to Denver's.

784
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Speaker 3: Denver here there, Denver's out there. That's one of my

785
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Speaker 3: concerns early in the year. Denver, I do not want a.

786
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Speaker 4: Lot of it wouldn't bother me because the Denver's gonna

787
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Speaker 4: be starting a rooie quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Oh I know. I don't think it's the condition.

789
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Speaker 4: To take that all day long.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean they're.

791
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Speaker 4: Nokey quarterback making his first career start. Yeah, give me that,

792
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Speaker 4: I hear.

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00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: Yah. I mean they're not a formidable opponent, but they

794
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: they win like seventy five percent of their September games.

795
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Speaker 3: At home over the last decades. I mean, it's just

796
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: hard to breathe the yeah, but small thing to look at.

797
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: Then it haven't won.

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Speaker 4: I bet that's not as good since twenty fifteen. I

799
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Speaker 4: bet they have made Denver Broncos have not made the

800
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Speaker 4: playoffs since twenty fifteen, not made the playoffs, haven't had

801
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Speaker 4: a winning season.

802
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Speaker 3: They're one of the most underrated, disappointing franchises that doesn't

803
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: get that credit because they've had a lot of success

804
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: on our lifetimes, right elway, and you know, right you

805
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: look at the last it's a disaster.

806
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 4: How many years they've been as bad as as the Giants,

807
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 4: even worse than the Giants have been in that streight.

808
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: Actually pretty that's a comparable team to them. Yeah, I mean,

809
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: like great, we're growing up right.

810
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: Of your storied franchises.

811
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Speaker 3: Maybe Washington's like that to stink of a lot of

812
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: Super Bowls, a lot of Hall of Famers, great coaches,

813
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: successfu when we were kids all through my twenties and thirties,

814
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: and now it's like these are bottom type organization. And

815
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: it's not just because they didn't have a quarterback, you know, like, yeah,

816
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: they were great with Peyton Manning and obviously before that.

817
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 3: But there's some organizational moves with those teams that are questionable.

818
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: It's why you don't necessarily, you know, when people are

819
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 4: called tanking, we're doing things like that. There's no guarantee

820
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 4: you get it back.

821
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Speaker 3: No, there isn't. I mean, we talk about the Bears.

822
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 3: The Bears haven't been great for a long time either.

823
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, and maybe Caleb Williams goes on to

824
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: be the best Bear quarterback in history. It wouldn't be

825
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 3: as hard as any of it is, right, but they

826
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: might just be six and ten again, you know, you know,

827
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Speaker 3: because that's kind of what they've been, kind of what

828
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Speaker 3: they do. I mean, the Jets are sort of similar to.

829
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Speaker 4: Realistically, if you look at the Bears, are they third

830
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 4: best team in the division, fourth best team in like, but.

831
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Speaker 3: They're the better in Minnesota.

832
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 4: I trust, I trust Minnesota more.

833
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: They're definitely not first or second, definitely not Green Bears

834
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Speaker 3: noticeably better. Detroit is way better.

835
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Speaker 4: So you did all this, all these moves this song season,

836
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 4: had this great offseason, and you're still at best the

837
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 4: third best team in your division.

838
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Speaker 3: I think so. I mean, maybe three years from now

839
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 3: they have the best quarterback, one of the best quarterbacks

840
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: in the league in their first but they got a

841
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: lot of stuff to climb to get there. Yeah, Denvers

842
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: another one. I mean, could they come in second in

843
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: that division? They could, but I don't think there's any

844
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: chance they make the playoffs. No, And I think there's

845
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: a better chance they're picking fifth than they're picking in

846
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 3: the twenties.

847
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

848
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. And their division's bad, but I mean

849
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 3: Kansas City should moon walk through that division.

850
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 4: Should should Yeah, that's why when I look at the

851
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 4: Steelers schedule this year, like they play they play against

852
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 4: the AFC West, I think Chargers, outside of Kansas City,

853
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 4: none of the rest of those teams scare me a bit.

854
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 3: I think that division could have three teams picking in

855
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: the top ten. Yeah, and I think the Raiders have

856
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: maybe the worst quarterback situation in the league.

857
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 4: And you used to look at it, Well, if you're

858
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: playing the games for the Steelers on the West Coast, then.

859
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: You know that's trouble. Yeah.

860
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: They went three and oh on the West Coast last year.

861
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, good point, good point. So I think the Raiders

862
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: are flat out bad too. I mean I know they're

863
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: Their head coach is a great story and revitalized them

864
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: and all that. He's still unknown to me, you know.

865
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: I mean they they're the teams they beat when he

866
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: took over weren't great. And maybe he ends up being

867
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: Pierce ends up being a really good coach, But I

868
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: don't know about that.

869
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: I think he's done some smart yeah things. Yeah, you know,

870
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 4: he hired Marvin Lewis as his assistant head coach.

871
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: Smart things like that.

872
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 4: I mean, guy's been there, done that kind of guy.

873
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 4: Guy can tap me on the shoulder and say, let's

874
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 4: do this in this situation exactly. You know.

875
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: But Pierce was a position coach this time last year.

876
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, he just and he hasn't been

877
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: a coach period very long. He was playing like five

878
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: years ago, six years ago, something.

879
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: Which is some ways is good in some ways as bad. Again,

880
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 4: that's why, you know, surrounding yourself with good people.

881
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: I just think he's smart saying it's a bad hire.

882
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 3: You know, it is a major question to me.

883
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: That's one of the things. You know, when people talk

884
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 4: about this coach is just a cheerleader, That coach is this,

885
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 4: and your is a head coach in the NFL, you

886
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 4: are a CEO.

887
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, first and foremost, and you put out fires.

888
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 4: And you put out fires and you recognize, oh, this

889
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: is going to be a problem. We got to handle this.

890
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: You got to handle that.

891
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: We see fires before they get started, and then you

892
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: put them out whenever they exist, too, And that's hard.

893
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: This isn't know where they're coming.

894
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 4: This isn't forty years ago or fifty years ago when

895
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: the head coach is also your offensive coordinator, is also

896
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: your special teams coach, right, Like, there's most of the

897
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 4: coaching staffs in the NFL have twenty five assistant coaches

898
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 4: on it.

899
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 3: I know, which is insane. Yeah, But I was asked

900
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: the other day, like, does the Steelers not having league

901
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: average coaching staff bother you? And I'm like no, I mean,

902
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure all those people on the staff have a

903
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: job that they do well or don't whatever, and maybe

904
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: the Steelers coaches are asked to do a little more

905
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 3: on a day to day basis. But it seems insane

906
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: to me that these staffs are as big as they are. Oh,

907
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 3: you think about it, if you've got twenty five much

908
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: of an asset, if.

909
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 4: You've got twenty five or more assistant coaches, you're basically

910
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 4: telling me you've got a position coach or a coach

911
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 4: for every two players.

912
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: Right right, What the hell is it?

913
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 4: These are professionals?

914
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: Is there three or four Ozero line coaches on those staffs?

915
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: Is one just in charge of the centers? It's insane?

916
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: Come on, right, that's like makes no sense.

917
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 4: It's insane.

918
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 3: I mean, if there's some of that, if there's contributors

919
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: to the organization, Okay, you're an analytics guy, your filmed breakdown, dude,

920
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: you're the statistician. I don't know I'm making enough titles,

921
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: but I think some of these teams do, right, So

922
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: I don't need two running back coaches.

923
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 4: Do we need to do we need a chief chief

924
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 4: of staff? I've seen right for some places on what

925
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 4: the hell do you need a chief? That's what your

926
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 4: head coach is?

927
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 3: Chief of staff? Like the Browns doing. Interesting thing I

928
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 3: just read the other day is they have like two

929
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: guys on staff whose whole job is to get players

930
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: acclimated to Cleveland and the NFL. And every team has that.

931
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: They all do it to some degree.

932
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 4: Every team has at least one of those guys.

933
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think there's a I don't know,

934
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: maybe they maybe they're the same as everybody else, but

935
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: something like that has immense value. But that's not a coach.

936
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: I mean, that's on one of these twenty five coaches.

937
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: That's not the running back coaches job on the side.

938
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I mean that's somebody that's on the the staff.

939
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 3: They're not even football people.

940
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 4: I always looked at it this way when people would

941
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 4: ask about the Steelers size of the Steelers coaching staff,

942
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: they basically every year had the same amount of coaches

943
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 4: that the Patriots have.

944
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: Really, I don't know who has a lot and who

945
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 3: has a little.

946
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: The Rams always have a lot, The Browns have a ton.

947
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: The Browns have these new fangles, you know, the new

948
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 4: wave coaches.

949
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I always wonder what their jobs are like, yeah,

950
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: I mean like it it Pit you had a small staff,

951
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: and I was there. It was a tight ends coach.

952
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 3: There's a D line coach and a D N coach,

953
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: you know, because there's there's rules against it. And then

954
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 3: if you walk through Pitt's facility when I was there

955
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 3: on a Wednesday at eleven o'clock, it's barren because all

956
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: the offensive coaches are in one room and all the

957
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: defensive coaches are in one room and a dark room,

958
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 3: watching tape and chewing and scratching and doing whatever. Do

959
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: they have like a done or fifteen guys sitting there

960
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 3: all watching tape together? You know, like who speaks up?

961
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: I mean, like those guys became really good friends. There's

962
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: like five of them sitting in there, and they all

963
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: kind of knew who's in charge of looking at what,

964
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 3: and you know, then they took care of the whole defense.

965
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: You know, if.

966
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 4: Somebody could show me how having twenty five assistant coaches

967
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 4: makes me much better team than having fifteen.

968
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm all ears. I'd be interested in a

969
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: graph of this is the teams with the most coaches. Okay,

970
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 3: there's one's the top, and these are the teams with

971
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: the most wins. Yeah. Do they correlate at all? I

972
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean I bet not, probably not. I

973
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: don't think it's negative necessary to have the most But

974
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: I don't think it makes you win.

975
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: I don't think it does on iota. Yeah, but it

976
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 4: also you know, if you if you've got fewer coaches,

977
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: it means everybody has to be more involved.

978
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: There's more more. I would think people contribute more than yes,

979
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: you know, like everybody's chiming in at the table as

980
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: opposed to waiting for their time to talk or whatever too.

981
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 4: Like you see these teams with this guy's a run

982
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 4: game coordinator, that guy's the pass game coordinator. Well, the

983
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 4: Steelers do that, but the run game coordinators are offensive

984
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: line coach. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, so you know,

985
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 4: the passing game coordinat might be their quarterbacks coach. He

986
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 4: might also do that.

987
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, is there assistant run game coordinator? I don't know.

988
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 3: I mean, some of these staffs are ridiculously big right now. Yeah,

989
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think it's.

990
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 4: I don't know that you need to a coach for

991
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 4: every two players.

992
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: I mean, even like when we were in Cleveland, we

993
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: had two defensive back coaches, two aligned coaches. Everything else

994
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 3: was like one.

995
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 4: Because those positions have like ten players.

996
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that makes all the sense in the world.

997
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and safeties aren't the same as cornerbacks. Yeah, runterior

998
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 4: offensive line and aren't the same as ten.

999
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: And once in a while I practice, the tackles would

1000
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: go with one coach and the interior go with the other,

1001
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: you know, for it different in individual drills they'd work

1002
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: on polling or whatever. You know, Fine, that makes sense.

1003
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: Do you need four of them for those positions? Nope,

1004
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: I don't know. Steelers are cheap. They don't have a

1005
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: lot of assistant coaches. I'm like, oh, what good it

1006
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 3: does you?

1007
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you can show me we're having ten more

1008
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 4: assistant coaches would help them win more games.

1009
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 3: But they from fourteen games last year with ten more coaches.

1010
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: I don't think. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't.

1011
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 4: Think anyways, that's going to do it for the show today.

1012
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Speaker 4: Uh So, for my partner Matt Williamson for CJ. Wolfley

1013
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Speaker 4: here on site keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lallie.

1014
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