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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly Jongfast, and this is Fast Politics, where

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Speaker 1: we discuss the top political headlines with some of today's

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Speaker 1: best minds. And the latest Gallup poll shows Americans leaning 49% Democrat, 39% Republican,

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Speaker 1: marking a sharp reversal from 2024. We have such a

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Speaker 1: great show for you today. The Lincoln Project's Rick Wilson

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Speaker 1: joins us to talk Emperor Trump's new hair color and

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Speaker 1: the many other things he's doing to distract from his

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Speaker 1: terrible economy. Then we'll talk to States United Democracy Center's

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Speaker 1: Norm Eisen about the battle over mail-in voting. But first,

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Speaker 1: the news.

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Speaker 2: You don't have the right to safe drinking water. How

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Speaker 2: do you feel about that?

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Speaker 1: So basically, this is the Fifth Circuit of Appeals in

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Speaker 1: Mississippi in the city of Jackson. The city knowingly let

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Speaker 1: residents drink lead contaminated water. This is a lawsuit not

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Speaker 1: from 1976, but from 2022. And the lawsuit says that

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Speaker 1: it violated Jacksonians' constitutional right to bodily integrity. But here's

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Speaker 1: the deal about this country. You only get bodily integrity

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Speaker 1: when it comes to not being allowed to have abortions. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck. And again, this will probably, oh,

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Speaker 1: I would say definitely keep going up the chain. But

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Speaker 1: the Constitution, according to the Fifth Circuit, the Constitution is

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Speaker 1: too narrow for such a claim. And these Jackson plaintiffs

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Speaker 1: do not have the right to safe drinking water. I

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Speaker 1: will remind you that Jackson is a city that is

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Speaker 1: than double the national average. And that is why their

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Speaker 1: people are taking advantage of them. And also the EPA,

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Speaker 1: the Trump EPA, which is. one of the very few

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Speaker 1: times the EPA has been pro-pollution. They did not give

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Speaker 3: Be involved in this.

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Speaker 1: And a really, some Jim Murphy of the National Wildlife

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Speaker 1: Federation said the administration is clearly struggling to craft a

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Speaker 1: rule that will hold up in court while satisfying their donors'

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Speaker 1: desire to effectively scrap those protections wherever possible. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's a great example. One thing is clear, if

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Speaker 1: we don't protect our streams of wetlands, the cost of

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Speaker 1: dirtier drinking water and increased flooding will flow downstream to households.

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Speaker 1: And especially at a time when Americans are living paycheck

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Speaker 1: to paycheck. Look, Polluted groundwater is one of the things

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Speaker 1: think it's quite interesting. I've been spending a lifetime in

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Speaker 1: Long Island where we have very polluted groundwater because of

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Speaker 1: all the farming. What we're seeing more and more is

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Speaker 1: in agricultural places, the groundwater has been polluted because of

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Speaker 1: So when you look at the map and you look

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Speaker 1: at places like Iowa that have been reliably red for

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, more agricultural spaces are largely reliably red, not Iowa.

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Speaker 1: But there are different spaces that are. And when you

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Speaker 1: look at them and you look at how they are

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Speaker 1: having the effects of the groundwater first, right, because they

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Speaker 1: are agricultural centers. And we're seeing Iowa is a really

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Speaker 1: good example where cancer is one of the biggest things

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Speaker 1: cancer rate. And that's because of the polluted groundwater. And

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Speaker 1: the agricultural areas are going to get hit first because

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So one of the great features of Trump 2.0 that

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Speaker 2: try to do really defiant things to the Constitution. And

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Speaker 2: Trump's mail-in ballot order seems that it's a little too

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Speaker 1: So this is a real.

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Speaker 1: Interesting problem the Trump administration has. They really want to

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Speaker 1: make it harder to vote. A third of all Americans

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Speaker 1: vote by mail. The Trump administration actually just went back

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Speaker 1: So we'll see about the rest. But this is a

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Speaker 1: But I think that I think it's very unlikely that

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Speaker 2: One of the things that we see is nonstop talk

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Speaker 2: But the Republicans seem to really be the ones with

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Speaker 2: the Nazi problem. And for some reason, we keep focusing

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Speaker 3: In the house.

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Speaker 1: So Nate Hockman lost his job because he had a

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Speaker 1: He was like a real guy. This reminds me of like,

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Speaker 1: remember the group chat, the Nazi group chat, the young Republicans. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was all like Nazis are good. We should cook

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Speaker 2: And yeah, a lot of gas chamber jokes because that's

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Speaker 2: what we all do at our group chats, you know.

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Speaker 1: And and and J.D. Vance was like, actually, no one

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Speaker 2: I have numerous group chats with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's but only two in this. They defended it.

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Speaker 1: And like we saw J.D. Vance defending this group chat

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Speaker 1: He's a trusted member, a trusted and key member of

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Speaker 1: His trajectory is far from unique in Washington because that's

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 2: In other normal news, what do you think it says

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Speaker 2: when the joint staff members are getting polygraph tests?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's good. It shows a lot of trust.

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Speaker 1: It shows that you have a good polygraph.

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Speaker 2: That's usually what I think, too, is trust. That's the

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Speaker 2: word that comes to mind. That's a great Rorschach, Molly.

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Speaker 1: Around 50 people were tested. 50 people. top-level government employees

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Speaker 1: in the Pentagon were given polygraph tests. Polygraph tests are

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're not, yeah, I mean, they're pretty inaccurate.

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Speaker 1: leaks to journalists. Okay. They're doing this for leaks to

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Speaker 1: journalists about the munition shortage. You don't have to be

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Speaker 1: just do math, right? They're using all these munitions. They're

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Speaker 1: not making more. They're not buying more. But this is

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Speaker 1: feel like this is like why Pete Hegseth is such

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Speaker 1: he's out there being like, we're going to test everyone

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Speaker 1: are you even talking about? Now it's like we're going

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Speaker 1: to give everyone polygraphs. It's like. This is this has

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Speaker 2: Great stuff.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and

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Speaker 1: the host of the Lincoln Project podcast. Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Molly.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump debuted a new hair color.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he did.

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Speaker 1: A new look.

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Speaker 4: A color not found in nature.

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Speaker 1: I think a brunette is a bold move for a

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Speaker 1: Is it that he wants attention or is it that

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Speaker 4: I suspect the wheels are pretty off right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Nothing's going right for Donald Trump. And, you know, the

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Speaker 4: thing I've been watching this whole, like, last week, every

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Speaker 2: This guy.

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Speaker 4: Can't make people believe things like he used to be

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Speaker 4: able to do it. The economy is the best in history.

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Speaker 4: We're doing great. We're the biggest, best, brightest, shiniest, richest.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's buying any of it. Even his own people aren't

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, I mean, look, there are a number of like, well,

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Speaker 1: MAGA start? And it certainly started with Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: And Pam Bondi in the folders. That was the beginning.

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Speaker 1: And it was and again, like it makes sense if

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Speaker 1: idea of QAnon, it would make sense.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 1: That you would be disappointed when that president was like,

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Speaker 1: don't worry about the massive sex trafficking.

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Speaker 4: Pay no attention to the sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: And then you you had the wars. Right. All of

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Speaker 4: This is a dying religion. This is that is dying

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Speaker 4: I'm fucking done with that fucking asshole. None of this

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Speaker 1: It's bad.

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Speaker 1: But it's also like, and I think this is worth,

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Speaker 4: Long story short about this, the corruption in Florida, we

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Speaker 4: are now a state that is last in reading scores,

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Speaker 4: last in teacher pay, highest in book banning, and people

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Speaker 4: are just having enough of it. I want to say

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Speaker 4: one other thing about Angie Nixon in the Senate race,

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Speaker 4: because this is a phenomenal story. Laura Loomer has been

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Speaker 4: doing Laura Loomer. And she's been out in this, the

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Speaker 4: most overtly racist thing you've seen from Laura Loomer, which,

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Speaker 4: by the way, is a high bar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And you're a dog on my leash. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The worst things I've ever heard.

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Speaker 4: To her great credit, Angie Nixon recorded this. It's on

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Speaker 4: her TikTok or YouTube. Recorded this deadpan thing like, You know,

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Speaker 4: I know Laura Loomer is spiraling. She's had to have

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Speaker 4: mental health treatment several times before. I'm running to get

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Speaker 4: health care for every Floridian so that Laura can get

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Speaker 4: the help she needs.

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Speaker 1: Angie Nixon is a really good candidate. And I've been

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Speaker 1: very bullish on Angie Nixon for a number of reasons.

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Speaker 1: But one is that the framing that she was using.

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Speaker 1: given of like leftist insurgent versus like she was a

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Speaker 1: state legislator who ran on challenging a corrupt governor. I mean,

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Speaker 1: will you explain this a little bit?

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Speaker 4: One of the things about the Republican ticket. So Ashley

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Speaker 4: Moody is running against Angie Nixon saying, oh, the Democrats

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Speaker 4: have destroyed Florida and she'll be worse than anything. And

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Speaker 4: and even Byron Donald's doing the same thing. David Jolly

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Speaker 4: wants to raise Florida's taxes through the roof and he's

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Speaker 4: woke and he's this. The Republicans have controlled the state

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Speaker 4: of Florida for 32 years. I know this because I

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Speaker 4: was one of the engineers of the early victories of

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Speaker 4: this war. I know this by heart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: We took over control of the legislature in 1994 and

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Speaker 4: we never let it go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: There hasn't been a Democratic statewide official for 15 years.

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Speaker 4: There are no democratic policies in place in Florida. The

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Speaker 4: Republicans are the ones who have raised people's cost of living,

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Speaker 4: who've raised people's insurance rates, who have given away massive

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Speaker 4: tax breaks to developers, given away massive tax breaks to

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Speaker 4: the energy companies. And Angie and David are both running

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Speaker 4: a campaign to say to people, you're not happy. We

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Speaker 4: get it, but we're going to fix it. These guys

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Speaker 4: are the ones who did it to you. Yeah. The

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Speaker 4: only thing they have left with Nixon and Donalds is

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Speaker 4: culture war. So the only thing you're going to see

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Speaker 4: in the end is trans, trans, trans. That's all they

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Speaker 4: got left.

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Speaker 1: But, you know, I was on Bill Maher with Byron

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Speaker 1: last weekend, which feels like 10 years ago, but was

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Speaker 1: actually just last weekend. Is that possible?

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Speaker 4: It is possible, yes. I remember talking to you right after.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that he, he's the anti-vaxxer.

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Speaker 1: Because and so I asked him about that and he said, well,

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Speaker 1: he had vaccinated his children, but then he went right

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Speaker 1: what people on the right were like, see, he got you.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, no, did he? But it's interesting

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Speaker 1: because it was like it was almost as if it

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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter what happens if you can push hard

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Speaker 1: enough on your frame of reality.

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Speaker 5: Look.

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Speaker 4: What is it that Republicans want to see in an interview?

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Speaker 4: They don't care about facts. The MAGA universe does not

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Speaker 4: care about the facts of anything. What they care about

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Speaker 4: is did you own the lips? Did you perform the

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Speaker 4: ritualistic rituals? fan dance of the Republican Party today, which

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Speaker 4: is own the libs. I don't think he owned you

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Speaker 4: in that because because if you follow social media in Florida,

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Speaker 4: even Byron supporters and Republicans like, well, why did he

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Speaker 4: vaccinate his kids? Because it's poison from Dr.

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Speaker 1: Fauci. Right, right, right.

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Speaker 4: But be proud, though, Florida, because we're going to bring

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Speaker 4: back polio. Outstanding.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just but it is it does strike

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Speaker 1: me as a hard thing. is a hard nut to

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Speaker 1: crack for Trump, right? Because you have a sort of

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Speaker 1: unreality problem of the party. And that's where Trump, when

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Speaker 1: we see Trump say things like, my polling is the

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Speaker 1: best ever, right? And so the question there is, how

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Speaker 1: does that happen? What does Trump do there when he

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Speaker 1: runs into reality? Look, Trump right now, is.

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Speaker 4: Still trying to cast that spell. Still trying to change

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Speaker 4: the world around him. And the people below him in

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Speaker 4: the White House are increasingly trying to just follow along.

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Speaker 4: You know, you saw the Energy Secretary, Chris Wright, talking

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Speaker 4: about how great gas prices were. They're going down. And

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Speaker 4: Trump had kept them from going higher.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: And nobody's buying that. Even the Fox audience isn't buying

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Speaker 4: that anymore. So that schism of.

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Speaker 4: Hallucination that they want to live in, that imaginary world

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Speaker 4: they want to live in. Every time you go to

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Speaker 4: the gas pump and you pay five bucks, you're not

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Speaker 4: going to say, I just paid two bucks for gas.

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Speaker 4: That spell broke because the economy is hurting Trump's own base.

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Speaker 4: The whole thing, the lack of agency that we ascribe

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Speaker 4: to Trump voters, because they're just so entranced by Trump,

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Speaker 4: did have a limit. We found it. And so it's

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Speaker 4: harder for him to spin that It's why also you're

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Speaker 4: going to see a massive exodus from this administration in November.

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Speaker 4: You are going to see people heading to the doors

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Speaker 4: because they want out. They can't abide much longer in this.

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Speaker 4: They know the damage that's been done to their reputations. And,

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Speaker 4: you know, some of the hardcores will stay. But a

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Speaker 4: lot of these people, a lot of these... Deputy secretaries

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Speaker 4: are going.

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Speaker 3: To be like, I'm out.

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Speaker 4: I'm done.

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Speaker 1: Right. And it's and it's also why you're going to

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Speaker 1: see because you're going to end up seeing a lot

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Speaker 1: of hearings. And I think that.

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Speaker 4: Like, an oversight. Let me say this, Molly. There is

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Speaker 4: a persistent worry among a lot of Democratic voters that

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Speaker 4: you're not going to see hearings and that Hakeem is

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Speaker 4: going to say, eh, you know what, let's put it

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Speaker 4: behind us. We've got to pass a prescription drug bill

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Speaker 4: or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: If you want to lose in 2028 and you're the

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Speaker 4: Democratic Party, Don't investigate Trump or his allies or his

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Speaker 4: administration or this insane corruption. Because the insane corruption is

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Speaker 4: part of what has put America in this economic ditch.

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Speaker 4: Unless we fix that, unless we address that, unless we

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Speaker 4: drag these people, unless you drag the people causing this

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Speaker 4: in front of committees and investigate them and show America

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Speaker 4: what's happening, the Republicans will just lie more and do

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Speaker 4: this again.

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Speaker 3: And if Jeffrey's.

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Speaker 4: Falls into the trap with Jared Kushner and these people saying,

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Speaker 4: we've got to just all get together and pass bipartisan

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Speaker 4: legislation that everybody likes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, that is not what you have to do. You

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Speaker 4: have to go after the corruption and punish it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 4: No, John Fast. Can I come back?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Norm Eisen is a CNN legal analyst and the co-founder

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Speaker 1: of the States United Democracy Center. Welcome, welcome, Norm.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Molly. Great to be with you.

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Speaker 1: So I want you to first start by saying why

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Speaker 1: everything's going to be OK.

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Speaker 6: Fast politics listeners, you can consider this your like a

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Speaker 6: legal prozac for the day. Look, if you consider the

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Speaker 6: history of the past year and a half, it is

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Speaker 6: a history of Donald Trump losing. Some of that is

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Speaker 6: the pro-democracy champions forcing his hand. I'm very proud of

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Speaker 6: the over 300 legal cases and matters that We have

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Speaker 6: done a Democracy Defenders Fund, a Democracy Defenders Action.

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Speaker 3: Some of it is his own incompetence. Right. Thank God.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where we would be.

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Speaker 6: The greatest ally of the resistance is Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. And his cabinet's complete inability.

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Speaker 3: He's taken all the.

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Speaker 6: Real people out and, you know, filled them up with

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Speaker 6: sycophants and the emperor's new clothes. are so terrific and

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Speaker 6: they feed him fake polls and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: So if you actually look at the evidence of.

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Speaker 6: The past year and a half, yes, the death, devastation,

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Speaker 6: and destruction has been vast. But as Peter Baker wrote

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Speaker 6: last week in The Times, I was very honored to

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Speaker 6: be quoted in that piece and our Faces were discussed extensively.

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Speaker 6: The defiance is vast and growing also at home and.

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Speaker 3: Around the world.

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Speaker 6: And I believe that we have successfully helped slow the

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Speaker 6: Democratic backsliding.

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Speaker 3: That's the first part of fighting an autocrat, Molly.

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Speaker 6: Number two, you need to then, you've put the brakes

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Speaker 6: on backsliding, you need to make a democracy U-turn.

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Speaker 3: That's what these... elections will be.

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Speaker 6: And then number three, you have to sustain the U-turn

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Speaker 6: by making a new compact with the American people. Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump is going to be very severely punished, spanked. And

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Speaker 6: the MAGA movement, he's not on the ballot, but the

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Speaker 6: MAGA movement is on the ballot. The American people hate

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Speaker 6: what he's done. He has historically low disapproval ratings. So

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Speaker 6: defiance and disapproval are meeting.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of anxiety, though, despite the fact

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Speaker 1: that he's not popular. And part of the reason is

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Speaker 1: because of this whistle. I mean, there's a lot because

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Speaker 1: Trump is going to mess with the midterms. So I

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Speaker 1: would love you to talk us through what your plan

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Speaker 1: is for that.

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Speaker 6: Well, at Democracy Defenders, we have been fighting him on

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Speaker 6: his effort to mess with the midterms and winning.

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Speaker 5: Do you know what that effort started, Molly? It started

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Speaker 5: in January 2025. And throughout, first, yes, that's why we exist.

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Speaker 6: Our organization includes some of my best colleagues we worked on.

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Speaker 6: Many of those 63 cases defeating him in 2020. defeating

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Speaker 6: his attempted coup. And then we've come together again here

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Speaker 6: in this operation. First, he tried to have an executive

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Speaker 6: order using false claims about voter citizenship to take control

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Speaker 6: of the elections.

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Speaker 3: We beat him. We got an injunction.

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Speaker 6: Then he said, oh, we're going to redistrict all over

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Speaker 6: the country in places like Texas and California. We represented

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Speaker 6: those Texas legislators who sounded the alarm.

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Speaker 3: Then we went over to California with them.

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Speaker 6: We won the Prop 50 case.

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Speaker 3: That was five seats alone that we helped add.

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Speaker 6: We've preserved by our count 14 seats that he tried

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Speaker 6: to steal in Congress. That's 14 more seats that'll be

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Speaker 6: in the pro-democracy majority come the fall.

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Speaker 3: Then he went to.

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Speaker 6: Georgia, Molly, and Georgia hired us, Fulton County. to try

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Speaker 6: to do a criminal investigation of the 2020 election.

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Speaker 3: We quashed that subpoena. A Trump judge quashed the subpoena.

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Speaker 6: Now we have a whistleblower this morning who says Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump is messing with the Postal Service.

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Speaker 3: Well, guess what? We were already in court.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, we don't do any of this alone.

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Speaker 6: We have wonderful clients, colleagues, partners. And we were already

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Speaker 6: in court, a bipartisan gathering of nonpartisan groups.

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Speaker 3: And we were already had the case.

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Speaker 6: We're updating the case before coming on Fast Politics. I

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Speaker 6: spent the morning working out the legal papers. We are

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Speaker 6: going to stop that, too.

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Speaker 3: It's illegal under the Constitution and laws. We're going to

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Speaker 3: stop it.

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Speaker 1: And there are a number— you are not the only one.

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Speaker 1: There are a number of organizations like the League of

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Speaker 1: Women Voters and the organization that Mark Elias does and

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Speaker 1: the organization that Sky Perriman does where they are bringing

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Speaker 1: cases in order to bring these arguments. So I want to, like,

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Speaker 1: go back to the mail-in ballots for a minute. The

666
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court last week said it was too soon to

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Speaker 1: rule on the mail-in ballots. Now, League of Women Voters

668
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Speaker 1: went back the next day. Now it's going back to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, right? Will you tell us sort of

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Speaker 1: where that is?

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 6: I've seen this movie before because in birthright.

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Speaker 3: Citizenship, you had a big coalition.

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Speaker 6: There was one group of us who were over in

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Speaker 6: New England, another group litigating elsewhere. And you have the

676
00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:34,180
Speaker 6: same thing here with the mail-in ballots. There's one group

677
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Speaker 6: of us who are in Boston, another group in this

678
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:41,890
Speaker 6: case in D.C. In birthright citizenship, one group went up

679
00:36:42,140 --> 00:36:45,850
Speaker 6: and that case, remember round one, that case was thrown

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Speaker 6: out by the Supreme Court. Then my group, which was

681
00:36:49,450 --> 00:36:54,090
Speaker 6: also part of these coalitions, was back in court in minutes, Molly.

682
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Speaker 6: We went back up to the Supreme Court a second time.

683
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Speaker 6: And the second time we won, the first one was procedural.

684
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Speaker 6: The second one was on the merits. That's what you

685
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:08,270
Speaker 6: have here with this EO. The Supreme Court said, you

686
00:37:08,330 --> 00:37:11,570
Speaker 6: came to us too soon. The rule is not final.

687
00:37:11,850 --> 00:37:15,450
Speaker 6: Now it's not being implemented. Now the rule is final.

688
00:37:15,489 --> 00:37:18,250
Speaker 6: We immediately went back to court. Not only is the

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Speaker 6: rule final, but we hear from a whistleblower, they're actually

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Speaker 6: taking steps.

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Speaker 3: We're back in court.

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Speaker 6: We're going to file today all of the coalition.

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Speaker 3: All the wonderful partners.

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Speaker 6: We work a lot with LULAC, the largest, oldest Latinos

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Speaker 6: civil rights group.

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00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:35,109
Speaker 3: We represent them.

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00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:40,130
Speaker 6: The Campaign Legal Center is part of our partnership.

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00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 4: Here, our group.

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Speaker 6: They were founded by the Republican FEC.

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Speaker 3: Chair Trevor Potter.

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Speaker 6: Very bipartisan partnership we have here. We're going to be

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Speaker 6: back in court. If we have to go back to

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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court, we will. And I think we're going

704
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Speaker 6: to win. And you know why I think we're going

705
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,550
Speaker 6: to win? Donald Trump doesn't have the power to mess

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Speaker 6: with elections under the Constitution and laws.

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Speaker 1: Right, because it's federal versus state.

708
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Speaker 6: The Constitution, Article 1, Section 4 gives these powers.

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Speaker 3: To Congress, to pass.

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00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,830
Speaker 6: The laws, to the states, to regulate elections in the

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Speaker 6: context of elections. No president is mentioned. This is ridiculous. Obviously,

712
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Speaker 6: we have to fight. We have to get ready. It

713
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 6: is going to be like 2020. but we are ready

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Speaker 6: for this. Molly, you know what I've told my Democracy

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Speaker 6: Defenders Fund and Action colleagues? We litigated 63 cases, or

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Speaker 6: we were part of up to 63 cases in 2020.

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Speaker 6: We were involved in many of them. There was 163

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Speaker 6: in total. I said, get ready for 126, guys. Internally,

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Speaker 6: we call it Project 126.

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Speaker 3: And that's just us. Imagine all the other groups, the.

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Speaker 6: ACLU and Protect Democracy and the LULAC and the civil

722
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Speaker 6: rights groups, the NAA and the LDF, so many others.

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Speaker 3: I could name groups.

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Speaker 6: For an hour that are public citizen. They're fighting this,

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Speaker 6: the League of Women Voters, common cause.

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Speaker 3: Do not despair.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about some of the craziness that Donald

728
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Speaker 1: Trump is doing besides the mail-in voting. He has been

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00:39:25,070 --> 00:39:28,870
Speaker 1: Marie Antoinette-ing it through the District of Columbia. So I

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Speaker 1: would love you to talk about the Kennedy Center, what's

731
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Speaker 1: happening there.

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Speaker 7: Part of the reason that I'm confident hopeful that we'll

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Speaker 7: succeed is because in our over 300 legal matters, we've

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Speaker 7: had so many other wins, like with the Kennedy Center,

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Speaker 7: where the courts have stood up and done.

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Speaker 3: The right thing. Here, of course, Donald Trump is obsessed.

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Speaker 6: It's like Kazakhstan or North Korea or something, Molly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he wants to put his name on everything.

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Speaker 6: I expect when I go to use the public restroom

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Speaker 6: on the mall, it'll say the Donald J. Trump Memorial

741
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Speaker 6: Toilet in like gold, gold letters on the porta potty.

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Speaker 6: I'm surprised he hasn't named every one of those portable

743
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Speaker 6: toilets down there on the mall. So the Kennedy Center

744
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Speaker 6: is a monument to a fallen president.

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Speaker 3: And he had the chutzpah.

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Speaker 6: To pack the Kennedy Center board with his cronies and

747
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Speaker 6: his billionaire donors and to vote.

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Speaker 3: To put his name on that building. Ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: My client, Congresswoman Joyce Beatty, tried to object.

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Speaker 3: They muted her, Molly. So she made her voice known

751
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Speaker 3: in court. We went to court. We won.

752
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Speaker 6: We got his name off the building. Now he wants

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Speaker 6: to put it back on. Not once, not twice.

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Speaker 3: Three times. It's insane.

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Speaker 6: The brief that they filed was so crazy because the

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Speaker 6: court has already ruled no career DOJ lawyer would put

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Speaker 6: their name on the papers, only Donald Trump's political appointees.

758
00:41:09,380 --> 00:41:12,180
Speaker 6: So we went to court. DOJ said, we want to

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Speaker 6: go to court right now. And the judge said, what

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Speaker 6: are you doing?

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Speaker 3: The judge was somewhat skeptical.

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Speaker 6: They came immediately after the hearing, immediately after they said, oh,

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Speaker 6: Take all the time you want. We won't do anything

764
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Speaker 6: right now. Take another month because they're afraid of the inevitable.

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Speaker 6: They are likely going to lose this. And it goes

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Speaker 6: with our work on the reflecting pool, the East Wing,

767
00:41:36,820 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 6: the toxic dirt dumping from the East Wing. So many

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Speaker 6: cases we have in Donald Trump's Marie Antoinette portfolio. He's

769
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Speaker 6: telling these Americans who can't afford the cost of living,

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Speaker 6: let them have.

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Speaker 3: It's not letting me take. Let them have ballrooms.

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Speaker 1: Talk me through what's happening with the reflecting pool, because

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Speaker 1: that's also your case.

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Speaker 6: We'll be back to court this week. We have a

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Speaker 6: hearing two o'clock on Friday, our last hearing. We expect

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Speaker 6: that there will be substantial, peaceful, joyful. Hundreds of people

777
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 6: showed up last time to show their support outside the

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Speaker 6: courthouse for Davey Hearn.

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Speaker 3: We loved it with music.

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Speaker 6: And some had inflatable costumes in the courthouse. We're going

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Speaker 6: to be arguing the judge should slam the door on

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Speaker 6: this case forever. Remember, the case was dismissed, but the

783
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Speaker 6: judge left open the question with or without prejudice. Can

784
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Speaker 6: it be brought again? That's without prejudice or never brought again.

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Speaker 6: And we argue that the standard for with and without

786
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:52,669
Speaker 6: prejudice is if victim could be harassed, then it should

787
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:56,730
Speaker 6: be dismissed with prejudice. It should be dismissed forever. The

788
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Speaker 6: door should be slammed. Look at the harassment of Davey Hearn.

789
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Speaker 6: Jean Pirro has admitted that the faulty botched installation caused

790
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Speaker 6: the damage and the president is still attacking Davey.

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. So that's what we'll be arguing in the courthouse.

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Speaker 1: So if that happens, then is he done? Is that

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Speaker 1: over then?

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Speaker 3: We're considering all options.

795
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Speaker 1: The fact that the president is like attacking a random guy,

796
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:28,950
Speaker 1: don't people have any protection or no?

797
00:43:29,230 --> 00:43:31,790
Speaker 3: They picked the wrong guy to randomly attack.

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Speaker 6: He's a three-time Olympian, many-time world champion, and he's tough.

799
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Speaker 6: He was forged in the crucible of representing our country.

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Speaker 3: In these competitions. So we are considering all options.

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Speaker 6: Right now, the first step is get the case dismissed.

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Speaker 3: We will argue with prejudice. But all options are on

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Speaker 3: the table.

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Speaker 6: Molly, there's nothing that American law hates worse than accusing

805
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,220
Speaker 6: an innocent person of a crime.

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Speaker 3: And we're looking at it all. So stay tuned.

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Speaker 6: This may not be our last conversation about the Reflecting

808
00:44:09,620 --> 00:44:10,219
Speaker 6: Pool case.

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Speaker 1: OK, explain to me about this amicus on the coalition

810
00:44:15,590 --> 00:44:16,770
Speaker 1: of U.S. attorneys.

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Speaker 6: So part of the way that Donald Trump has been

812
00:44:21,850 --> 00:44:25,690
Speaker 6: persecuting innocent people around the country is he skipped the

813
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Speaker 6: usual process to appoint U.S.

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Speaker 3: Attorneys.

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Speaker 6: And instead, he's broken the law to stick people whose

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Speaker 6: loyalty is to him into those jobs, Alina Haba, Lindsay Halligan.

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Speaker 3: These are his former personal lawyers. It's happened all over

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Speaker 3: the country.

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Speaker 6: Wherever this has happened, anywhere in the country, our Democracy

820
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Speaker 6: Defenders crew has brought bipartisan experts to litigate these matters.

821
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Speaker 6: whether it's judges appointed by those of both parties, whether

822
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:03,130
Speaker 6: it's U.S.

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Speaker 3: Attorneys.

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Speaker 6: And in this most recent instance in Seattle, you had

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Speaker 6: a respected longtime prosecutor who was appointed the way the

826
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Speaker 6: law prescribes the judges of the district. If the job

827
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Speaker 6: is vacant, can put somebody in the job.

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Speaker 3: Trump fired him within an hour. It's against the law.

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Speaker 3: He defied Congress.

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Speaker 6: There is a lawsuit that was brought. And we in

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Speaker 6: this case, for the first time, we had dozens of U.S.

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Speaker 6: attorneys appointed by presidents of both parties themselves.

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Speaker 3: They had this job.

834
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Speaker 6: They showed up and they said, in essence, this is

835
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Speaker 6: against the law. We filed a brief to stop Donald

836
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Speaker 6: Trump from breaking the law. He's trying to manipulate U.S.

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Speaker 6: attorneys because they have the criminal power and he wants

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Speaker 6: to use that to go after his enemies.

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Speaker 1: So does that sound like something you'll win?

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Speaker 3: We've won. All the other cases.

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Speaker 6: To be more precise, sometimes we bring the cases like

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Speaker 6: in the very first case, the mother of them all,

843
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Speaker 6: Alina Haba, Donald Trump's former personal attorney. He found her

844
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Speaker 6: at his country club. She was a parking traffic mall attorney.

845
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Speaker 6: We went to court and we said, this is an

846
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Speaker 6: illegal appointment.

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Speaker 3: And we won. And we won it all the way

848
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Speaker 3: up to the Third Circuit. That's the founding precedent.

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Speaker 6: In the other cases, we have appeared, amicus briefs, friend

850
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Speaker 6: of the court, litigating in various forms for these bipartisan

851
00:46:41,230 --> 00:46:45,049
Speaker 6: groups of judges, U.S. attorneys to say this is wrong.

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Speaker 6: So we've been in all these cases.

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Speaker 1: So interesting and such important work. Thank you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Norm.

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Speaker 6: Molly, you know I love it whenever we talk about things.

856
00:46:57,410 --> 00:47:01,029
Speaker 6: We have an equally fun time when we're in the

857
00:47:01,170 --> 00:47:04,859
Speaker 6: green room talking about these things. So it's nice to

858
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,379
Speaker 6: come on Fast Politics. And just to be very precise

859
00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 6: about Alina Haba's antecedents, she was a formerly general counsel

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Speaker 6: for a parking management enterprise.

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Speaker 3: Enterprise. You know.

862
00:47:26,110 --> 00:47:29,270
Speaker 6: So that is where she dealt with issues of the

863
00:47:29,330 --> 00:47:33,670
Speaker 6: law of parking, traffic, malls, and the rest.

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Speaker 3: Not a qualification to be U.S. attorney.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Molly.

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Speaker 2: And now your moment of fuckery.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: You know what my moment of fuckery is?

871
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Speaker 4: Tell me.

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00:47:51,370 --> 00:47:53,489
Speaker 1: It involves the money, honey.

873
00:47:54,090 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 4: Yes, the money, honey.

874
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the money, honey.

875
00:47:57,940 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 4: When even Fox can't handle the money, honey.

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00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: Her name is Maria Bartiromo.

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Speaker 4: Bartiromo. Formerly beloved of, well, I think she's still beloved

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00:48:08,910 --> 00:48:15,530
Speaker 4: by Trump, but formerly beloved Fox News hostess. On Fox Business.

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Speaker 1: Fox Business and Fox Sunday Features.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Sunday Features. Features. Well, Molly, the fact that Fox itself,

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Speaker 4: during that crazy January 12th election denier speech, or 16th, whatever,

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Speaker 4: the July, July, excuse me, the July election denial speech,

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Speaker 4: the fact that even Fox sent a memo around inside

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Speaker 4: Fox and said to everybody, do not fucking cover this.

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Speaker 4: We've already paid $ 800 million on this. We can't afford

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Speaker 4: $ 800 million more dollars.

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Speaker 1: Right, right.

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Speaker 4: And they particularly told Barbara, no, not you, baby, and

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Speaker 4: her producer. And what did they do? They snitched to

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Speaker 4: the White House. God, I love it so much that

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Speaker 4: they got caught.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think happened there?

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Speaker 4: I think the general counsel at Fox said to Lachlan,

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Speaker 4: if she goes crazy on this, we're going to open

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Speaker 4: ourselves up. We're already paying $ 800 million to Dominion. We're

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Speaker 4: going to end up. in this ongoing Smartmatic suit. We're

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Speaker 4: going to end up getting hammered by Smartmatic in the

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Speaker 4: settlement or in a suit. None of this is going

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Speaker 4: to work if we don't figure this out and we

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Speaker 4: keep her quiet. Well, I think they just had money

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Speaker 4: right flat up that they just had a money problem.

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Speaker 4: And if you're Fox, why die on the hill of

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Speaker 4: the election denial stuff that doesn't even move a majority

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Speaker 4: of the MAGA voters?

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: Why die on that hill?

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Speaker 1: That's what I think the.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny. Rupert and Lachlan show these occasional

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Speaker 4: flashes of like, wait, it's a business, not it's an ideology.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 4: And the MAGA voters think Fox is an ideology, but

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Speaker 4: it's a business.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's a really good point. I also

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Speaker 1: think she, you know, when you look at her numbers,

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Speaker 1: she gets like under a hundred thousand. Right. For the

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Speaker 1: morning show. I thought, I think it's like, it's just,

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Speaker 1: there's not, there's no, it's just not worth it now.

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Speaker 4: It's not enough. to, it's not enough income to keep

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Speaker 4: her around if she's going to be a loose cannon.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: And cost them money.

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Speaker 1: Now, my question is, does she end up in the

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Speaker 1: White House?

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Speaker 4: I'm going to say this advisedly because if I say it,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be wrong. I think she does not

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Speaker 4: in a forward-facing role. She might become like a, member

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Speaker 4: of the Board of Peace or the Shield of the Mill,

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Speaker 4: whatever the weird, like, misfit toys department is.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think she becomes White House press secretary

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Speaker 4: because she's too old for Trump. He wants the younger

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Speaker 4: girls out there forward-facing. And I know that's horrible and

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Speaker 4: sexist and ageist and all that shit.

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Speaker 1: But I'm speaking of Donald Trump's decision-making process. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 4: All right, Molly, we'll see you next week.

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