1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Ah, beaut force. If it doesn't work, you're just not 2 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software Radio, Special Operations, military 3 00:00:25,520 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: news and straight talk with the guys and the community 4 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: soft Prep dot Com on time on target. It is 5 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: a beautiful it feels like summer day here in New York. 6 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm lon't and it's out here on the balcony of 7 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: the New Place showing and it does. So it's up 8 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: to sun. Yesterday I got rained on, so it's nice yesterday. 9 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: Um oh, well that day, I don't know, that's all right. 10 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: I mean it was raining in Brooklyn or yeah, okay, 11 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: or wasn't sure if you were making a reference to 12 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: your tubing for Tommy Laren getting a drink there out 13 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: there when she's rising from the ashes he's rising. I mean, 14 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: I don't think it was appropriate. But at the same time, 15 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy that Donald Trump has commented on 16 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: this because he watches Fox and Friends in the every morning, 17 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: so he has nothing else to do. It really is 18 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: weird that that's where he gets his news. Ever, Like 19 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: you're the most I don't you have the highest position 20 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: in all of the world, and you're watching these three 21 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: guys on TV or two guys and a woman. I mean, 22 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: this is what happens when a man child is your president. 23 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: I mean, what can you say? Well? On the topic 24 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: of President Trump. June twelve, the meeting between Kim Jong 25 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: un and President Trump is now not happening. A letter 26 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: was posted on Uh let's posted, I think, Oliver, but 27 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm almos like the White House as a White House 28 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: press release. I mean they published the letter. Yeah, so 29 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: I'll read it. This is from President Trump. Um, alright, 30 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: his excellency Kim Jong n hold on, hold on, you 31 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: gotta read it in a Donald Trump voice. I I 32 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: can't really do it. Good, Donald Trump, If you want 33 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: to read, dear Mr Chairman, we greatly appreciate your time, 34 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: like Donald Trump, patients, and effort with respect to our 35 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: recent negotiation. This sounds more like a boyant gay man 36 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: than Donald Trump. Maybe he sounds boyantly gay to me. 37 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you want to read? Well? We 38 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: don't need to read the whole letter, people, can I mean, 39 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: it's a short it's a short letter. I'll read it. Um. 40 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: Dear Mr Chairman, we greatly appreciate your time, patients, and 41 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: effort with respect to our recent negotiate negotiations and discussions 42 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: relative to a summit long sought by both parties, which 43 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: was scheduled to take place on June twelfth in Singapore. 44 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: We were informed that the meeting was requested by North Korea, 45 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: but that to us is totally irrelevant. I was very 46 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based 47 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your 48 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate at this 49 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: time to have this long planned meeting. Therefore, please let 50 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: this letter serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for 51 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: the good of both parties, but to the detriment of 52 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: the world, will not take place. This is probably my 53 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: favorite part of the letter. You talk about your nuclear capabilities, 54 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray 55 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: to God they will never be never have to be used. 56 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: I felt a wonderful that you could tell that's the 57 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: one that he was like, please put that in the way. Yeah, 58 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: that was the one that was the one he actually wrote. Yeah. 59 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: I felt the wonderful dialogue was building up between you 60 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: and me, and ultimately it is only the dialogue that matters. Someday, 61 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: I look very much forward to meeting you in the meantime, 62 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for the release of the 63 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: hostage hostages who are now home with their families. Well, 64 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: we didn't get that out of it, That's true. That 65 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: was a beautiful gesture and was very much appreciated. If 66 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: you change your mind having to do with this most 67 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: important summit, please do not hesitate to call me or right. 68 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: The world, in North Korea in particular, has lost a 69 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: great opportunity for lasting peace and great prosperity and wealth. 70 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: This missed opportunity is a truly sad moment in history. 71 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: Sincerely yours, Donal. No, Actually, if you look carefully, what 72 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: it says is thanks Obama, Donald J. Trump. Um, I 73 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: mean you know what, as just pointed out in the letter. 74 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: I guess the one positive of course that that did 75 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: come out of it, or the hostages that we got back. Yeah, 76 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: but turn that frown upside down, Ian, I mean that 77 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: is that is good. But yeah, no meeting. I mean, look, 78 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: it's not like I was necessarily looking forward to a 79 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: meeting of any sort because we didn't know what would 80 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: come in this positive or negative. I tried to warn you, 81 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: to warn me, I tried to war I said, I mean, 82 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: pump your brakes on. That was literally the title of 83 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: the article I wrote about this was pump your brakes. Yeah. 84 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: I mean you can see it coming from a mile away. 85 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: But everyone was, you know, the Trump administration had those 86 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: fucking coins printed out. I mean, this was I don't 87 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: know what to say, Like there's a certain there's a 88 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: certain level of stupidity, like once you get there, you 89 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: just deserve it, like you deserve whatever you get. Um. 90 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: And again, I don't like just blame Donald Trump for everything. 91 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: As I said before, he didn't invent North Korea, like 92 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: this ship started in and Trump is just the latest 93 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: in a long procession of American presidents to try to 94 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: defuse the situation. Uh. And I mean we we signed 95 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: green or we and we tried to have agreements and 96 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: negotiations with North Korea and seventy two nine seven and 97 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: uh two thousand or no and in seven. So anyway, 98 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: there's been like three different times that we've tried to 99 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: do this and it's never worked. Jimmy Carter wanted to 100 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: he pulled all of our nuclear weapons out of Korea, 101 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: and then he he wanted to pull all American troops 102 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: out of Korea entirely, and I mean Carter learned by 103 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: the end of his presidency the world isn't such a 104 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: nice place. There's a lot of snakes out there. Um. 105 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: This was the first of which with Kim jongun though, 106 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: so I think the hope was this is a younger leader, 107 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: He's going to handle things a little bit differently than 108 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: his father, and he probably will. But I mean, it's 109 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: still the Kim family regime. There are a criminal regime 110 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: in their first priorities to maintain a stranglehold on power. 111 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: And we're still playing the same fucking games that we 112 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: were playing decades ago. So there it is. Yep, not happening. Sorry, 113 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: No Trump Kim Jong un challenged coin for your wallet. Um, 114 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: so that this. There's also an article on soft Rep 115 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: Luke Ryan wrote this one surge of Taliban led violence 116 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, killing fourteen and wounding thirty three. I read 117 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: the article he talks about that. You know, maybe or 118 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: maybe not this has some connection to Ramadan being this week. 119 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any take. Yeah, there's um, 120 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't been gooke, I'm sure has been 121 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: following what's going on in Afghanistan and that and that 122 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: firefight or in that uh, that region closer than I have. 123 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: But there's this myth out there that during Ramadan all 124 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: because in Ramadan Muslims fast, so there's this myth that 125 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: it becomes like less violent, like all the Muslims are 126 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, they're bedded down, they're hungry, so the activity 127 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: dies down. They also don't fast the full you know 128 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: during the day, if you can carry out attacks at 129 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: night when you're eating, well, it's also just it's a 130 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: it's totally a myth. It's absolutely bullshit. Then if you 131 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: look at the charts um from Iraq that shows cigas, 132 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: which are significant activities on bombings like that, I d 133 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: strikes all that they all go way up in Ramadan, 134 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: like every year in Ramadan they went up. So um, 135 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: that's a myth. And so when Ramadan pops off, that's 136 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: a time where some of the bad guys, you know, 137 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: they're they're filled with religious fervor or whatever the fucking 138 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: they go out and do this kind of ship. Yeah, 139 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: all right, so you can check out that full article 140 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: on soft rep dot com. Um. I don't know if 141 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: we have an article on this yet, but as you 142 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: mentioned to me, this former Delta Force commander will now 143 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: be leading troops in Afghanistan. Uh. And this is Army 144 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: Lieutenant General Austin who goes by Scott Miller, um, former 145 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: Delta Force captain in the black Hawk down Battle of Mogadishu. 146 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: And he'll take command of the U S and NATO 147 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: forces in Afghanistan from General John Nicholson. And so you 148 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: can cue the long procession of mainstream media articles like 149 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: given the dude to hand job. It's like they do 150 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: every fucking time. Um, they read these articles shadowy special Ops. 151 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: General emerges from the shadows and takes over shadow coming 152 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: and it's like, what the fuck? And this is just 153 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: the latest. I mean, it's like the last scene and 154 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: uh in that movie War Machine about General McCrystal. And 155 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: then at the very end of it's Russell Crowe is 156 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: coming in, just repeating the same thing, and it's like 157 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: marching Ford, I'm gonna I'm in charge now. And you know, 158 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: I mean General Miller maybe he's a good guy, you know, 159 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: I don't know him, but what the fuck? I mean, 160 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: we've been over there wasting our fucking time in Afghanistan, 161 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: soldiers getting killed for no reason, and the Pentagon keeps 162 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: trying to tell us, Oh, we're making we're improving, things 163 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: are getting better, We're turning a corner in this war. 164 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: And it's all fucking bullshit. I don't know why the 165 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: press always feels the need to write these articles just 166 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: fawning over these generals. It's so weird. Yeah, I don't 167 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: personally don't know enough about it, but I do get 168 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: your point of what you're saying that we've kind of 169 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: just seen the cyclical nature of things in Afghanistan. And 170 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: like you said, for me, personally, I've never heard the 171 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: name General Austin Miller or Scott Miller. I have. I 172 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: mean I know of him, sure, you know, But I 173 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: mean it's not him personally that's a problem. It's the 174 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: institution that we've established in Afghanistan that we rotate these 175 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: guys in and out and nothing happens. Yeah. Uh. And then, 176 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: on a completely unrelated note, I did see that George 177 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: Zimmerman is trending today, which seems to happen like every 178 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: few months. I was like, why is he trending on Twitter? 179 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: And it turns out that he is currently on trial 180 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: um for a stalking case of a guy who's filming 181 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: a documentary about um trayvon Martin, so I guess he 182 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: You know, George Immerman is not happy about that and 183 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: has apparently called the guy dozens of times, tried to 184 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: track him down, I think showed up at his house. 185 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: So he's being sued for stalking. But I'll tell you 186 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: right now, by doing that, George Zimmerman made that documentary. 187 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah like that, that dude, that's like the best luck, 188 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: the best thing that ever could have happened to that 189 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: whoever's making that documentary. But publicity now he has an 190 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: awesome story. It's like, George Zimmerman such a fucking psycho. 191 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: That's a recording this he was stalking me. Yeah. So, 192 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: but the reason it's trending is because Zimmerman has a 193 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 1: public defender representing him because he claims to be two 194 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: point five million dollars in debt um. This has been 195 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: like the nature of this guy ever since the Trayvon 196 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: Martin thing. I know that there were a lot of 197 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: people defending him, and but it really turned out that 198 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: this was just, I think it's safe to say, like 199 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: not a good guy. But between the you know, stokton 200 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: of his ex wife and things like that and violence. Um, 201 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: and he's been arrested multiple times since the Travon Martin incident. 202 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: And I think anybody would say, you know, after that incident, 203 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: with the way it went, they would say, look like 204 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: you got off Lalo, maybe go away somewhere. And he's 205 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: done anything but Waylo even tried to auction off the 206 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: gun that he killed Trayvon Martin with, which I think 207 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: was unsuccessful. It's too bad. I mean, if he had 208 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: played his cards a little bit smarter, he probably could 209 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: have been like an n R A spokesman or something 210 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: like that. Albert No Oliver North is like the director. 211 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: You know, he's about to be the president. Yeah, the president. 212 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm saying Zimmerman could have been like one 213 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: of the spokesman for that. I don't know, but he could. Yeah, absolutely, 214 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: you could have done those commercials like do you like 215 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: to shoot black people? I sure do. I don't think 216 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: the n R I would be into that. I could, 217 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, it would be like a little wink wink, 218 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: not not like could see him as crazy as it is. 219 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: Maybe being on like a little panel and Fox News 220 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: or something like that. And I say a little because 221 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: maybe a big panel I say that because they had 222 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: they've had Mark Ferguson regor really on Fox News and 223 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: like what he's famous for was the o J trial. 224 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: And uh, you're talking about Ferman Ferman. Who's Ferguson's the 225 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: guy Mark Ferman. I'm confusing. He was he was a 226 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: racist l A p D detective that like basically he 227 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that guy pretty much blew the o J 228 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: t aisle. Yeah, like he's he shows up on Fox 229 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: News perty regularly and that's like his claim to fame, 230 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: apparently using the n work. Look at the people Fox 231 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: News has on there. I mean they're all a bunch 232 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: of like lunatics and just weirdos, people who have no 233 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: fucking business being on television. Yeah, well would say there's 234 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: a mix of people. There are people I regularly seeing 235 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: there who I do like, but uh yeah, there's I 236 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: would agree. Um, And they don't care either. That's a 237 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: weird thing. Like they keep making these same mistakes like 238 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: with the Wayne the Wayne Simmons types of the world. 239 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: Is it a mistake though? If your ratings are so high, 240 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: I mean they dominate and rating and that's what I mean. 241 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: They don't care. So there's like whatever we'll get the 242 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: most bombastic bullshit artists we can. Yeah, they don't give 243 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: a funk if the person is credible, if his background 244 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: is legit, um, you know, if he has any idea 245 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: what he's actually talking about. They don't care about any 246 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: of that. And Donald Trump watches that, then it's like, oh, yeah, 247 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: that's that's what's going on. Interesting world. Man, It's called 248 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: the circle jerky during the state vote? Is me? I 249 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,599 Speaker 1: know where? I really don't watch any of it. No. No, 250 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: I get a lot of my news from who I'm 251 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: following on Twitter, and I read with their reading, and uh, 252 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: within a matter of minutes, I've you know, gotten all 253 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: the news that they're just gonna repeat and debate for hours. 254 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: On the way I get news is yeah, probably the 255 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: same way. It's because of the people I'm friends with 256 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: or follow on social media and I see the articles 257 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: they post. They're like, hey, here's this article about you know, 258 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: Central Asia. You should probably read it and like that. 259 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: So that's like how I get my news from. Like, 260 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm basically relying on on people who I think are 261 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: credible to either post their own work or other stuff 262 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: they've read. And I think that's probably true. For like 263 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: our whole generation. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right on that. 264 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: So we have Leo Jenkins coming on. Leo is a 265 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: regular on the show. Uh. The last time he was 266 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: on was for the Big Mountain Heroes documentary which Brandon 267 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: Webb put together. Uh, he's been on a bunch of 268 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: times before though. 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Uh. 310 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: It looks like Leo Jenkins is on Skype right now, 311 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna attempt to connect and get right into it. 312 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: So back on the podcast, first time since the Big 313 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: Mountain Heroes premiere. But it's been a while. Uh well 314 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: earlier this year, uh Leo Jenkins, Actually that was last year, 315 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: come and think of it, it it was a little while 316 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: time man. Uh Leo Jenkins, former Army Ranger medic, author 317 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: of a bunch of books at this point on assimilation 318 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: of Rangers return from war, First Train out of Denver, 319 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: Lest We Forget an Army Ranger Medics Journey, and most 320 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: recently is With a Pen which came out last month. 321 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: I was looking at it. I relate to your first 322 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: poem in there about listening to growing up, listening to 323 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: deaf tones and dr Dre and then becoming a veteran 324 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: and then still listening to deaf tones of Dr Dre. 325 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: I was like, I I still listen to that as well. 326 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: So I like it. And currently you're about to do 327 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: the embark on the Verses and Curses Tour with two 328 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: other veterans um and I'll give everybody the dates, which 329 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: playing a bunch of East Coast dates. But I'm looking 330 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: forward to hearing all about it because like, when I 331 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: think of veterans, and even veteran writers are like yourself, 332 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: I honestly don't think of poetry. It's like not the 333 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: first thing that comes to mind. So I want to 334 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: hear all about this. Yeah, we're gonna we're hopefully, you know, 335 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: we're trying to break down some of those walls, some 336 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: of those stigmas, um and uh and and break out 337 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: of some of those boxes Versus and Curses tours. You know, 338 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: it was it was a little more than an idea 339 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: that was abotted around about a month ago, um that 340 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: myself and you know, like you were saying with a 341 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: penn came out this collection of poetry that put out 342 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: about a month ago as other gentlemen as a recon 343 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: marine David Rose, he had just released his poetry collection 344 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: from Stand in Time, is also the author of No Joy. 345 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: And then there's another cat, Just Nigan, who is getting 346 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: ready to release a second anthology of poetry, outside the 347 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: Wire collection. He's as another marine. I mean, um, and 348 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, we just kind of started talking about let's 349 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: let's you know, get together and try to do this, 350 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: and what it's really evolved into is an open mic 351 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: event series for veterans. We want to try to get 352 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: other veteran writers, other poets to come out and share 353 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: their short stories, share their poetry. Um, you know, to 354 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: kind of break down those walls, those stigmas that you know, 355 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: if you're a veteran, you're a knuckle dragger, your cran eater, 356 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: your your this and that, and to to to show 357 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: by showing rather than telling people, you know, or we're 358 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: a pretty diverse, um group of people, and you know, 359 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: we want to show that with our words. So um, yeah, 360 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: it kind of all clicked and came together. We're hitting 361 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: that first stop on Memorial Day in your city, in 362 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: New York City at Emminoloney's and we're gonna roll out 363 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: from there. Yeah. I'm super excited. Um, you know, see 364 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: what you guys have put together. I think it's really cool. Um. 365 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: Interested to meet David and Justin too. Yeah, they've got 366 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean I just I just finished No Joy. Uh. 367 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: You know Dave Rose's book and phenomenal writer. Very um, 368 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: you know, I pick up these like Hunter S. Thompson type, 369 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: you know, vibe off of his writing is very, very creative, 370 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: a little loose. Um and uh, you know it's uh, 371 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: I'm stoke. We but we ended up getting an RV 372 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: for this trip, and it's it's kind of turned into 373 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: this thing where you know, I think each one of 374 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: us wanted to be a musician at some point in 375 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: their life and to do this like kind of tour 376 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: and and you know, it kind of has evolved into 377 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: that we're we're kind of playing out our our childhood 378 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: fantasy of being rock star poets, you know, like traveling around. 379 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to be the three of us 380 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: in an RV with a videographer and we'll see what 381 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: kind of Shenanigan's come about. You know. Stoke to have 382 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: have Jack in New York City reading some stuff from 383 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: his upcoming book. I'm really excited about that. Marty Scotland's 384 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: going to be up there near Boston reading some of 385 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: his works. Um, and we've got you know, several other 386 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: notable um, you know, professional vetter writers who I'm hoping, um, 387 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: you know as people come out to these events and 388 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: who are aspiring writers, who are you know, just getting 389 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: out of the military, that they have the opportunity to 390 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: come up and ask us questions, how did you do it? 391 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: You know, what's you know? Um, so that you know, 392 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: we can utilize our our voice, our position to help 393 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: people and guide them through that to that transition. Yeah, 394 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: it's always super interesting to meet those guys, and it's 395 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: uh made me really happy to see more and more 396 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: guys getting out of the military and kind of finding 397 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: where their voices and using it to talk about their experiences. 398 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: That's been really cool to see happen. Um. But frankly, 399 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: on my in my own case, I'm a little nervous 400 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: or getting a little nervous because I still have no 401 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: idea what the hell I'm gonna read on Monday. Um, 402 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: I got plenty of stuff, but I have to figure 403 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: out exactly what I'm going to read. There is a 404 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: briefly EO Jenkins cameo in the in the book I'm writing. 405 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: That's uh, that's exciting, but more terrifying than anything else. 406 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: I thought there could be so many different things where 407 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: that could be. Uh. I'm sure it's gonna be very 408 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: well written, but yeah, there's no it's just it's so 409 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: interesting to see how people people write about you. I'm 410 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: used to writing about other people, you know. So no, 411 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,239 Speaker 1: it's just a brief mention because I I mean, I 412 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: didn't know you very well when we were in range 413 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: of battalion together. I definitely knew who you were and 414 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: definitely crossed pants with you. But I mean I don't 415 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: really recall us like hanging out or anything because we 416 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: were in different companies. Um. But I mean there's what 417 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: I asked you about, Um, the the guy getting flex 418 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: cuff to the fence in Afghanistan. Yeah, that's uh. I 419 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: mean it's funny now, like looking back on it, like 420 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: the humor that you have in the middle of war. Um, 421 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, to look back on it now, it's like, man, 422 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: that was a little bit mean, you know some of 423 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: the stuff that we do, but it's it's you know, 424 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: it's all out of love. Yeah, yeah, you know, like 425 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, if the other thing too. And I actually 426 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: recently wrote about this, uh in a in an article. Um. 427 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: But the concept of not spotlighting yourself, right, it's like 428 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: one of the worst things that you do in our community. 429 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: And to be like, it's my birthday, it's my special day, 430 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 1: You're really asking for some form of punishment. Correct me. 431 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: And when we start talking about this stuff, I start 432 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: having more recollections and correct me if I'm wrong, if 433 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm totally remembering this wrong. Weren't you one of the 434 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: dudes who was at the promotion ceremony where First Sergeant 435 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: Seeley was promoting dudes out at Salerno and he was 436 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: just like rocking guys when he was pinning them. Oh, 437 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: he was notorious for that. I mean, he's his nickname, 438 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: the Rhino was very well deserved. Um and yeah, he 439 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: gets so um. That was that was the That was 440 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: the ceremony that I got my my combat matic batcha um. 441 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: And it was Doc Orf, who was my senior medic 442 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: at the time. Who who he was. He wasn't much 443 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: more gentle than Ceel. He was with it. You know, 444 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: they were both old school rangers and uh, you know 445 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: that was that was hopefully I'm hoping that that time 446 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: honored tradition is still going on. I know with the 447 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: Blood Wings and Airborne School. I got mine and and 448 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: I've heard you know that it's they've backed off with 449 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: with that type of stuff a little bit in public eye. 450 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: And I actually I remember in Airborne School they we 451 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: didn't do the Blood Wings during the ceremony. They left 452 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: it up to us after we got back to the 453 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: company area away from the parents and the grandparents. You know, hey, 454 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: if you want to do this, you know, get in formation. 455 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: And in the Black Hats drilled him in and we 456 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: didn't have the choice. We weren't given the choice. Ones 457 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: we were in range of battalion and you know, we 458 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: were in Salerno, in Afghanistan. They just they drove at home. 459 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: And it's it's one of those things that you know, 460 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: you earn it and you bleed into it, and you 461 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: know it becomes a part of you. And I think 462 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: that it's a beew ful thing. But I was just 463 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: gonna ask because I when Drew Dwyer was in the podcast, 464 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: he explained, like what the Marines do, Like, well, what 465 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: exactly is the process of that whole ceremony, all the 466 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: Blood Wings and Airborne school is just you know, it's 467 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: a little pin that goes on your uniform with like 468 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: the the straight uh you know, needle back that backs 469 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: out and then there's a backer that goes on it 470 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: when you put it through the fabric. Well without that 471 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: backerund it, they put it on your uniform and blood wings. 472 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a big deal, folks, Okay, don't 473 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: freak out. It's take like a hammer fist and punch 474 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: you so that it drives that metal piece into your skin. 475 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: Hence blood wings. Do you guys know if the Marines 476 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: do the same thing, because I remember Drew Dwyer explaining 477 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: pretty much that I think they. I think they used 478 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: to and um and uh Marine Corps boot camp when 479 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: they get their eagle globe and anchor. Yeah, and I 480 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: think that's what he described. You know. The symbolism of 481 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: that becoming a part of you, I think is pretty beautiful. 482 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: And if you if you look at the amount of 483 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: suffering that you know, a marine goes through through the 484 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: course of training their crucible and everything, um, that that 485 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: little pin stick at the end, it's probably one of 486 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: the least baneful things, you know, but it's you know, 487 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of seen as you know, being a little uh, 488 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, an achronistic at this point, but 489 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: it's in falling with great traditions. Um, you know same. 490 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: I think Seely drove, he drove, he drove more Chevron's 491 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: into do uh. He was. He was great about it. 492 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: He had a thing though where and this was this 493 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: is all. This was camaraderie. It's you know, it's out 494 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: of the scope of it when you're not there experiencing it. Um, 495 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: you know, it can seem a little bit barbaric. Uh. 496 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: But you know he would have a soul you know, 497 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: get into push up position, you know, maybe fifteen guys 498 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder and as we're doing push ups, he 499 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: would walk on our backs. And he's not he's not 500 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: a small man. He's a big you know. This guy's 501 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: a guy who's his arms was big around as my quads. 502 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: And but it was it was you know, that was 503 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: the environment that we were in. And it wasn't out 504 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: of it wasn't out of anything but but love, you know, 505 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: that tough love of you know, like Joseph Campbell was 506 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: someone who you talk about like the importance of tradition 507 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: and ceremony and the right of passage and all that 508 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And uh, and I remember an interview 509 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: they asked them, like, well, what happens when we we 510 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: don't have that anymore? He's like, well, read the newspaper. 511 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: You see all of these guys who are, you know, 512 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: technically adults, but they're running around like children, committing crimes 513 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: and doing all kinds of stupid ship. That's what happens 514 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: when you strip the ceremony in the tradition out of society. Yeah, 515 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: I think, and I think that's very important. That was 516 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's plenty of societies that when you know, 517 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 1: when guys would come back, when warriors would return, they 518 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: would share their experiences of war, and so that it 519 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: would it would kind of meld into the into the 520 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: collective consciousness of society. They would understand, okay, this went 521 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: through one. It's a cathartic experience for the warrior returning, 522 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: but to it kind of breaks that giant stone um 523 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: into little pieces and distributes it, you know, amongst the 524 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: society collectively. And that's really what we want to do 525 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: with this Versus and Curses tour is give that opportunity, um, 526 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, give a microphone to somebody who might not 527 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: have had that experience before, because again, it's cathartic to 528 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: give up a piece of that, to share a piece 529 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: of that, but moreover, to share with society that this 530 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: is the reality of what yours go through, good, bad, ugly, 531 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: and otherwise you know, there's gonna be a lot of 532 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 1: very funny stories. It's not it's not just you know, 533 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: the heavy stuff, but it's it's all important. It's all 534 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: important that we understand these ceremonies and the reasons for them, 535 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: the reasons for the dark humor, and to destigmatize like, 536 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: oh this, you know, this disgruntled veteran though he's just 537 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: over there, piste off in the corner. Well, let's give 538 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: him a chance to speak in front of people. And 539 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: why are you, you know, why are you a little 540 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: bit jaded about things? And and okay, I can, I can. 541 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: We can accept that, we can understand that, and it 542 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: goes I think it goes a couple of notches. Just 543 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: lending your ear goes a couple of notches above the 544 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: traditional you know, yellow ribbon on the back of your 545 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: on this EIVOC saying we support the troops. Um. I 546 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: think that you know, the listening and understanding of those 547 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: types of traditions. Why is this guy punching this other guys? 548 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: You know, this pin into his chest? You know what 549 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: is the significance the relevance of that. Oh, that's actually 550 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: quite beautiful if you think about it. It's not barbaric 551 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: um And okay, maybe we can incorporate some of those 552 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: concepts into the greater society as a whole. So the 553 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: verses in Chris's tour, I mean, is it going to 554 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: be a combination then of you know, all the uh, 555 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: the things we've carried my war gone by, the sort 556 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: of heavy stuff combined with you know, the first sergeantcy 557 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: a least stories. Yes, absolutely, I mean it's I I've 558 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: got I've been looking through I've never so I've never 559 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: done a reading from Nless We Forget in in four 560 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: or five years since it was publishing, I've never done 561 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: a public read and I started kind of thumbing through 562 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: their um and David Rose is no joy. There's plenty 563 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: of absolutely laugh out loud comedic um entries in that book. 564 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: And it's I'm really hoping to keep a balance of 565 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: those two things. I want people to come up and 566 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: share their their short stories about the phantom shit or 567 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: you know kind of kind of situations, because it's it's 568 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: part that's that's reality, that's part of you know, probably 569 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: more so than the actual uh nitty, you know, dirty 570 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: violence of combat. You know, anybody who's been in an 571 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,239 Speaker 1: arrange of battalion or a seal team or you know, 572 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: an SF group, they understand that it's really there's a 573 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: lot of those um light you know, just moments, and 574 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 1: there's there's really only a few of those really really 575 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: intense type and like there's that that balance that we 576 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: think about those intense moments because they imprint on us 577 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: a little bit heavier. But to to really tell the 578 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: story of you know, um, you know, combat experience throughout 579 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: the course of the global War on Terrorism, I think 580 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: it's very appropriate to tell both sides of that. Um 581 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: I'll be delivering. I'm still back and forth that there's 582 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: this there's you know, the story of the first time 583 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: I had a digital recto exam in front of a 584 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: learned group of people. Uh, you know, like these are 585 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: those are those are real moments. That's something that that 586 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: we go through in order to become the Special Operations 587 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: medic uh and it's something that I think most civilians 588 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: would go, await you did, what do each other? Um, 589 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: it's not gay, it's medicine. It's not gay. It's medicine. Right, 590 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: as long as you got a glove on, it's fine. 591 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's gonna be there's I think there's gonna 592 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: be that Evan flow. The poems, I think some of 593 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: them are. I know some of the ones that I'm 594 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: going to deliver are kind of goofy and have nothing 595 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: to do with the military. Um, they have nothing to 596 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: do with combat. Um, it's just you know. And by 597 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: the way, those are what can be seen in with 598 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: a pen right, your latest book. Yeah, with a pen 599 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: is you know, it's there is some there is. You know, 600 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: war is a bit of a theme here and there, 601 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: but a lot of the war concept is more of 602 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: the internal war that we fight, we struggle through as 603 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: just as human beings. You know, you mentioned that first 604 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: poem in there, oh did Dr dre And it's you 605 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: know that that poem really is about um, you know, 606 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: we all have a struggle, we all every human being 607 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: as they go through there you know, they're human experience. 608 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: They go through various struggles and for a lot of people, 609 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: definitely myself included. We use music to get through those 610 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: those struggles were late with with music and we use 611 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: it as a as a as a form of healing 612 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: and and and something that we can turn to. It's 613 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: an outlet um and so you know, yeah, there's there's 614 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: lines in that poem about you know, experiences that I 615 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: had in Afghanistan and are heavy, but you know through 616 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: my childhood that we're heavy, but you know, ultimately, you know, 617 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: this is the human experience and involves suffering, but also 618 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: that common ground of you know, you know, finding release 619 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: in different artistic expressions. Well, what it reminded me of 620 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: as like the Civilian where you said you still listen 621 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: to Deft tunes and Dr Dre, which I do as well. 622 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: Like I remember being a young kid listening to like 623 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: Wu Tang Client and stuff and my dad being like, 624 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: You're not going to be listening to this crap in 625 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: ten years and I'm a thirty two year old man. 626 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: Still it's still listening. To tell all that I still 627 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: have my Britney Spears tapes, nice pretty spears of my iPod, 628 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: No no shame. I have everything from sucking like the 629 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: Acacias Strain to Britney Spears on my iPod. I was 630 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: just joking and I didn't really think you were going 631 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: to take that bage. No, I'm serious. I I genuinely 632 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: listened everything I have. I have a Justin Bieber song 633 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: on iTunes. It was catchy. We're like, where do we 634 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,959 Speaker 1: go with this interview? Yeah? Um, so, so how did 635 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: you get hooked up with these other two guys? Actually, 636 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: because they're both Jack and I are not really familiar 637 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: with them, and I'm glad you gave us their background, 638 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: But what's the story of like meeting them? And the 639 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: Internet is a strange place, it is, sir, uh uh 640 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: it was. You know, it's kind of a testament to 641 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: how small the veteran community is. You know, we you know, 642 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: we think that it's it's really big, but numerically we're 643 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: pretty you know, it's there's there's only so many circles. 644 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: And when you start talking about veteran writers, um, you know, 645 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: it gets even smaller. Special operations veteran writers, it's definitely 646 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: even smaller. Um. And you know, I just I saw 647 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: his work pop up in my feed, you know, two 648 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: or three or four or five times, and so I 649 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: picked up his poetry book the day it came out 650 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: from stand in Time. It just won some big award 651 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: in d C. And I started I started reading in 652 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, man, uh, you know, my my 653 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: book with a Pen was getting ready to drop like 654 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: a week after that, and I was like, this guy's 655 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: got chops. Man, this guy is a great poet. He's 656 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: a great writer. Uh. And so I just I just 657 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: messaged and said, hey, I just got your your book 658 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: from stand in Time. And I really enjoyed it. And 659 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: he had heard of me, and we just kind of 660 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: started talking and we were you know, we kind of 661 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: the idea was, well, let's just get together and do 662 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: let's do like a like a book eventum where we 663 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: can kind of co collaborate. And we're just the kind 664 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: of I think we're both the kind of guys and 665 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people who come from from 666 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: our particular backgrounds, um, we don't we don't really understand 667 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: limitations very well. So it started out as let's get 668 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: together and just do a book signing event and read 669 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: some of this and that within five minutes turned into 670 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: a whole tour and and and and and and we 671 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: just kept adding, you know we should get in r V. Yeah, okay, 672 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: let's do that, you know, and it just well, let's 673 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: do New York City, and let's do Boston, let's do Atlanta, 674 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: let's do d C. And you know, we just the 675 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: the idea of the limitations or that I don't think 676 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: we can do that, it just doesn't exist. We just 677 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: every idea that one of us put out, the other 678 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: one was like, yes, let's do that. We don't know 679 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: how we're going to do that. We don't know where 680 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: we're going to book these events, we don't know how 681 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna you know, let's just let's just do it 682 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: because we can't um. And it just it's kind of 683 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: morphed and evolved, and it's been, I tell you, it 684 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: has been. One of the most inspiring things that I've 685 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: seen as of late, is to watch how many different 686 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: people and organizations within the veteran community have come and 687 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,280 Speaker 1: and stood behind this. And it's crazy to me be because, 688 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 1: as you said, you know, a few minutes ago, poetry 689 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: and like the special operations veteran community are not two 690 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: things that you usually see connected. And see how many 691 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: people with with huge reaches are really really behind this 692 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: h the Recon Sniper Foundation. You know, they came to 693 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: us and said, we want to help, you know, co 694 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: sponsor this, we want to help back this, you know, 695 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: And to me, I'm like, oh, we must be doing 696 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: something right. We've had so many different veteran owned businesses, 697 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: breweries and bars say hey, you know, reach out to 698 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: us and say we want we want you to come 699 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: to our spot. Um, so you know, I think we're 700 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 1: onto something. These five stops on the East Coast will 701 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: be um, you know, they're they're kind of the test 702 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: to see. Okay, Um, you know what what's the appropriate 703 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: venue signs? What are what are we doing? And by 704 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: by no means are these five going to be the 705 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: only five. But we have such an like an eclectic 706 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: array of venues. Talking about emmtal Looneys in New York City, 707 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, a Memorial Day and then you know, we've 708 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: got a better known coffee shop and have her Hill, 709 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: Massachusetts just outside of Boston two days later, and then 710 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: you know, the National Museum of the Marine Corps in Washington, 711 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: d C. And then right after that we have the 712 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: oldest cedi ist strip club and dive bar in Atlanta. 713 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,879 Speaker 1: And to my knowledge, we will be the first people 714 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: to ever recite poetry at the at this particular establishment. 715 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: Hold on which established, man, I'll tell you if it's 716 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: the most city in Atlanta or not Claremont Lounge, it's 717 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: it's at least it is at least the oldest strip 718 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: club in Atlanta, the oldest running strip club. And are 719 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: there any strippers while you guys are performing? Yeah? So 720 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: they were like, well, you can't shut down main stage. 721 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: We gotta get the girls off stage while you guys 722 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: are doing your thing. But I was like, you don't, 723 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: I don't mind. You know, I can. I can rip 724 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: off some verse and you know, in in spot while 725 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: surrounded by uh, you know, the flesh. Also, what happens 726 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: if you're like a guy who doesn't know this event 727 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: is happening, You want to go to a strip club, 728 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: You get there and it's Leo Jenkins on state it's 729 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: a two fer. Yeah, exactly, You're welcome, that's what son. 730 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: And then the last stop of the tours Cooper City, Florida. Correct, Yeah, 731 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: we got we got Red Alder Brewery that we're gonna 732 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: be hitting up. So there there are five can very 733 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,760 Speaker 1: different types of venues. Um we're gonna kind of see 734 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: um you know where you know, how this plays out. 735 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: And then uh, during the course of the tour of 736 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: the ten days that we're going to be in this 737 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: r V together, we're gonna be putting together all of 738 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: the other stops. You know, we've West Coast is going 739 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: to happen. Um, We're looking we've been getting a lot 740 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: of interest um in uh in the in the Midwest, Texas, Chicago, 741 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: that people reach out in Denver, Tacoma, UM, Portland's Phoenix 742 00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: that want us to come and do this. So we 743 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,720 Speaker 1: just kind of have to dial in the logistics. UM. 744 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: Justin author of Outside the Wire collection, he's getting his 745 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,919 Speaker 1: second volume is dropping I think on fourth of July, 746 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 1: and he's also about to be a first time father. 747 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: His his wife right now is uh you know, I 748 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: think eight and a half or nine months pregnant. So 749 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: the idea that he's going and doing this is pretty yeah, 750 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: it's pretty it's pretty spectacular. But we were kind of 751 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: we're working around some of those logistical constraints. Obviously, you 752 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: want to be there for the birth of your first child. 753 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: That's a very important event. Um, So you know, we're 754 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: we're working through where are we going to be going? 755 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: And these again, these five are nowhere near the last 756 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: five stops for this. I would like to make this 757 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: an annual thing to be honest, and try to encourage 758 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: more veterans and not just writers poets, but musicians to 759 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: do you know, events series where hey come out and 760 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: share some songs that you've written, um, you know, and 761 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: and just keep letting it let it in an unfral Yeah. 762 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: I mean this is really cool too, because just poetry 763 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: in general is a hard sell. My my next door 764 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: neighbor she published a like poetry chat book or something 765 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: like that. So typical because you live in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. 766 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: I think it's actually Catholic poetry. Yeah that's um, but yeah, 767 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's difficult. It's a difficult genre, um 768 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,399 Speaker 1: to you know, penetrate. I guess you could say, yeah, 769 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: it's not. I mean people like, well, you know, Leo, 770 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: why did you why did you choose to write a 771 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: poetry book? And I joke that, you know what, I 772 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: was just trying to figure out what's the way that 773 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: I can avoid ever becoming rich and famous? That is, 774 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: it's the way to do it. Man. There's like I 775 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,879 Speaker 1: think there's like seven or eight poets right now who 776 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: are actually feeding their family off of first But you know, 777 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's different. There's there's not a lot 778 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: of rules with poetry. I mean, you've got stuff like 779 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: high kus, which I don't dabble into because I don't 780 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: like anyone telling me how many syllables I can use 781 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: um or how to you know, frame this or that. 782 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: But there's there's just a lot of places you can go. 783 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot of room for hyperbole and um. It's 784 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of colors to paint with in 785 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: that in that genre. And I think even if even 786 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: if you're not planning on, you know, publishing poetry, I 787 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: think every writer owes it to themselves to at least 788 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: explore that genre because it does it It taps into 789 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: a different form, different level of creative that then you 790 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 1: can take and transfer over and and make your pros 791 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: you know, maybe a little bit more you know, colorful. 792 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: Was it Justin or David? You said, is having a 793 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: kid Justin? Because correctly, if I'm wrong here, I could be. 794 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's so many guys, you just know from 795 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: the show. It all gets scrambled together. Didn't you just 796 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,439 Speaker 1: recently have a kid? Yes? Yeah, my daughter is ten 797 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: months so yeah, this like really breaks the stereotype of 798 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 1: like once you get married of a kid, you can't 799 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: live your life because I know plenty of guys like that. 800 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: Who you know, they they wouldn't be able to travel 801 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: in a van and and do this. What other option 802 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: is there? Yeah, I mean there's plenty of guys I 803 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: know just basically stay chained to the house and unless 804 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: they're at work and uh, don't really do much. Yeah. 805 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: I mean the best example of the primary example that 806 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: my child has for how to live life is me 807 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: and her mother. Um, you know, and I want to 808 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 1: continue to show like take a risk, you know, go 809 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: out and um, you know, to do something different, do 810 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: something creative. Like Jack said, you gotta live your life. 811 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,240 Speaker 1: You've gotta, you know, because that that child is looking 812 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: at you. You know, I want her. She's so we 813 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: just we just she was born in Mexico and um, 814 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: we've just applied for her third passport. It took our jobs. 815 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, my husband, my Mexican, my Mexican daughter is 816 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: that she's the threat of the blood. Here blue, little 817 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: bring good chick, she's you gotta you're doing the anchor 818 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: baby thing the wrong way. I don't think that's he did. 819 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: I definitely did. I wrote about that as well, and 820 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: like it's it's been an interesting that, you want to 821 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: talk about an interesting assimilation culturally, I'm immigrating the opposite direction. 822 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,240 Speaker 1: I've got a green card, um, you know in Mexico. Um. 823 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: And I think Jack I told you this story at 824 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: one point, but my wife, who's Canadian, was deported from 825 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: Mexico for being an undocumented worker. But she got she 826 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: didn't get deported to the the kidda. They deported her to 827 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,439 Speaker 1: the United States, where she's not even from. So it's 828 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: it's been an interesting thing that the process of you know, 829 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,800 Speaker 1: getting a driver's license, you know, in in a foreign country, 830 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: and and and and everything that comes in between. It's 831 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: a totally totally different process for for a lot of 832 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: these things. And I'm you know, I'm the I'm the 833 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: dumb immigrant who's sitting at the d m V and 834 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: I don't know the language very well. You know, I 835 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: get by with it, but you know, I'm sitting there 836 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: with my crying child on my lap, trying to get 837 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 1: a driver's license and going uh, you know what what 838 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: what so feeling that the other way is It's been 839 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,359 Speaker 1: a very interesting cultural experience for me and an understanding, 840 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, be being an immigrant. I'm you know, we've 841 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: we've immigrated to uh to Mexico. At this point, my 842 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: my daughter will have free passports. We just applied for 843 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: a US passport, so um, you know, to give her 844 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: that opportunity to be able to go anywhere in the world, 845 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: to be whoever she wants to be. It's not enough to, 846 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: I think, to tell a child you can be what 847 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: you want to be if they see dad working like 848 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 1: a menial uh nine to five job that you hate 849 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: and your miserable and all of that. I mean, is 850 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: that setting a good uh a good example? But you know, 851 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta leave the way, and I you know, 852 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,919 Speaker 1: I've I've you know, at this point, Um, the most 853 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: important job that I have is being a father and 854 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: being a role model. And I always wanted to be 855 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: a rock star to some degree, you know, like I 856 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: always least wanted to go on tour, and so I'm 857 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: doing that because there's never there's never a time when 858 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: you can't do, you can't follow and pursue um, you know, 859 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,320 Speaker 1: the things that you want in life, and there's nobody. 860 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: I mean, people will tell you it's dumb. People will 861 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: tell you that's not a good idea, or you shouldn't 862 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: do that, or that's going to fail. But I mean, 863 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: funk those people. You can do it and and and 864 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: watch what happens. Believe in yourself, and and you know, 865 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that. For me, it's not 866 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: enough to give my child that lip service and say 867 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 1: you can be what you want. I'm not going to 868 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: tell her that I'm going to go out and be 869 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,320 Speaker 1: exactly what I want to be every single day and 870 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: and hopefully she just observes that from the youngest age. 871 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't. I don't think it's appropriate 872 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 1: for any human being to put themselves on a shelf 873 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: just because they have a child, because that child is 874 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: seen you put yourself on that shelf. I think, you know, 875 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,839 Speaker 1: our kids look at us, and they don't. I don't. 876 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 1: I really don't believe our kids want us to be pussies. No, 877 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: but he wants the dad who can beat up the 878 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: other dad, you know, like everybody wants that. You know, 879 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: it's it's having a strong you know, influence in life. 880 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: And and I'm standing like in a in a violent 881 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: sense in somebody who is capable, who was driven, who 882 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,399 Speaker 1: is going out and achieving. It's a it's a great 883 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,919 Speaker 1: example to set and we can do it in small ways, 884 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to do a full on tour. 885 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: In so many little ways we can can be an 886 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,759 Speaker 1: example for that next generation. And there's a lot of 887 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: that going on right now right with you know, and 888 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 1: I see it, and it's it's it's tough. But again, 889 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: the internet is a different place than reality. UM. But 890 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: we see on the internet a lot and now we've 891 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 1: been seeing more on social media. Is this this I 892 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 1: think unnecessary discourse? You know, we have you know, we 893 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: have teenagers who are you know, who are vocalizing their 894 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: you know themselves and utilizing their First Amendment right to 895 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: to speak for what they believe in. UM. And I 896 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,440 Speaker 1: really think that this is an opportunity for our generation 897 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: to go, Okay, you know, you know, we're adults, but 898 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,799 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that your that your voices, you're going 899 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: to you're going to be the adults in ten years 900 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,400 Speaker 1: and twenty years, You're going to be the one dictating 901 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: you know what it looks like when we're retired, you know, um, 902 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 1: And to to to show that generation that listening um, 903 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: showing them by example, that example of you know, your 904 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: voice is value. What do you have to say, Okay, 905 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: I don't. Here's the thing, I don't agree with it, 906 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: and here's why. And to show that generation that's coming 907 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 1: up behind us how to engage in conversation and dialogue 908 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: and civil discourse without the vitriol. Yeah, what you're saying 909 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: is completely true. Unfortunately, it's like I think the people 910 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: who believe that, which is probably the three of us, 911 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 1: are in the minority. I mean, I saw it that 912 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: whole student march, you know against firearms, which like the 913 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,319 Speaker 1: three of us pretty much on the opposite side of 914 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 1: the spectrum. But these you know, adults double the age 915 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: of these kids going on Twitter and like cursing at 916 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: them and just it's it's pretty discussing. I was in 917 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: the middle of the march here in the city though 918 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,879 Speaker 1: most people were pretty reasonable. Yeah, but on Twitter people 919 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: are not what Twitter makes people assholes? Yeah, Twitter makes 920 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,919 Speaker 1: people assholes. It's the Internet is a whole another place, Yeah, 921 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: it is. It is affecting our collective consciousness. Right, we 922 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: speak to each other differently in those spheres than we 923 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: do in person UM. And you know, I think generationally, 924 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,240 Speaker 1: like our generation definitely puts an emphasis on social media, 925 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: but not nearly as much as the generation that grew 926 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: up with an iPhone in their hand from the earliest age, right. 927 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: That is that is stitched into the fiber of who 928 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: they are, and so those words tend to you know, 929 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,359 Speaker 1: those interactions via you know, Facebook, Twitter, you know any 930 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,400 Speaker 1: of the other new fangled social media devices that the 931 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: kids are using these days. Um, you know, those those 932 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 1: those exchanges are I think more valuable to that to 933 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 1: that generation where we still definitely have a lot more 934 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 1: experience with um, interacting with people face to face, and 935 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 1: I think that's a very important thing I think we 936 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: need to you know, as as as Maynard said, you know, 937 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: it's time to put the silicon obsession down. Uh, you know, 938 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 1: it's it's to come you know, face to face and 939 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,839 Speaker 1: have those those conversations. I think that's going to be 940 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,400 Speaker 1: the cool new thing, the avant garde thing to do, 941 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,399 Speaker 1: is to use your smartphone to coordinate an in person meeting. Yeah, 942 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,760 Speaker 1: I mean that's what we're trying to do with this, 943 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,799 Speaker 1: this versus in cursor. We're trying to get people out 944 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: to engage with one another. To um, you know, to 945 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, to to hear one another speak, and to 946 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,839 Speaker 1: you know, to to collaborate is a great poet of 947 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: our generation. Vanilla. I said, stop and listen, all right. 948 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:51,080 Speaker 1: Two questions, Jenkins, Uh. First one very practical. How much 949 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: material should I have prepared for Memorial Day? I mean 950 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 1: I think that I think so that I think we're 951 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: gonna go and maybe like five to eight minute rotations 952 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: just to keep people interested. I'm gonna get up there, 953 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,919 Speaker 1: do an introduction and do a poem or two. Pass 954 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 1: the mic off. Um, you know, let Dave Rose do 955 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,799 Speaker 1: his thing for a few minutes and and just let 956 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: us cycle through. So you know, you got five to 957 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 1: eight minute story, three to five eight minute story to 958 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,680 Speaker 1: to rip off, and you know, hop into the rotation 959 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: when you feel comfortable with it. Um. And same thing 960 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 1: with anyone else that has a poem, a short story, 961 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: who wants to you know, get up, we'll have the 962 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, will announce hey the next five eight minutes. 963 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: Is anybody who wants to grab the mic and to 964 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,319 Speaker 1: share if you want to go over that a little bit. 965 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 1: Cool man, it's your world. You got the microphone in 966 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,239 Speaker 1: your hand to your thing if you want to do 967 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: two or three short pieces or just one. Um. You know, 968 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,360 Speaker 1: we're just we're stuck to be, you know, sharing these 969 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: collective experiences together, regardless of length. Okay, so I'll try 970 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 1: to prepare, you know, two or three vignettes. And you're 971 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 1: saying that, like other dudes can show up if they want, 972 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,120 Speaker 1: with with whatever material they have ready to go and 973 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,799 Speaker 1: just jump into the rotation. Yep, Yep, absolutely, I think 974 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,480 Speaker 1: you know it's gonna probably me, Dave justin open me, 975 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: Dave justin open um. And so you know, of the 976 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 1: time that we're up there, the mic is going to 977 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 1: be available if somebody wants to come up, and we're 978 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: encouraging that. I want people to share whatever they can 979 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: because I want to hear some other guys poetry I've 980 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 1: I've heard all mine, and I've read the other two guys. 981 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 1: I as as selfish as it sounds, I want to 982 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: I want to experience some people who I've never met 983 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,920 Speaker 1: and I've never engaged with. I want to hear what 984 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,719 Speaker 1: they've got to say, because that ship is inspiring man, 985 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: at least for me, like it pumps me up. I 986 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: want I want to hear people who are coming out 987 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 1: and and ripping off, you know, ripping poems out that 988 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 1: are better than mine, um, and short stories and things 989 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: that make you laugh and things that make you think um. 990 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,760 Speaker 1: And then we can all have um, you know, two 991 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: or three or ten adult libations together and explore those experiences. Well, 992 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: that's what brings me to our My second question is, 993 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,879 Speaker 1: just like the beat Nick art houses of the day, 994 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 1: can I snap my fingers in the air when I 995 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: like what you said? You know, it's a free country. 996 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want. That's awesome. I plan 997 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: on raising up a drink and that's going to kind 998 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: of be my applause and and I'll do that thing, 999 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,840 Speaker 1: and it's going to be a very loose, very very casual. 1000 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,920 Speaker 1: These events are very casual. Again, we're doing of them 1001 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: in a tick club, so it is gonna be what 1002 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be. I'm not gonna try to control it 1003 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: too awful much. If you want, if you want to 1004 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,759 Speaker 1: get your you know, your Ginsberg, snap snap on and 1005 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: that makes you feel good and congo drums fucking right, 1006 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: bring him out, man, bring the congos, bring him you 1007 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,680 Speaker 1: know you can, you know where your beret. Just make 1008 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 1: sure that it's not too squared away, and and we'll 1009 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 1: go from there. I can tell Jim West is uh 1010 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: like freaking out about what he should do because he 1011 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,040 Speaker 1: he he wants to come, he's excited. And then he 1012 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: was like, you know, give me Leo's number, because I 1013 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 1: think he has the same question as you, Jack of 1014 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,320 Speaker 1: like what should I go up there? What's appropriate? I 1015 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,279 Speaker 1: haven't heard from Jim at all. We had we had 1016 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,239 Speaker 1: Jim said he'll be there, though he did, like we 1017 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,520 Speaker 1: had lunch together a week ago. But I haven't heard 1018 00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,520 Speaker 1: anything from him since. He may have gotten in touch 1019 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 1: with you, right Leo, because I think he was. I 1020 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 1: gave I gave you his number. Because he's got his number. 1021 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him a call this afternoon. I love 1022 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,400 Speaker 1: the fact that he's coming out. Uh, he's such a 1023 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,799 Speaker 1: great guy. Um. And again, it is one of those 1024 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 1: things where if you want to share something, you can. 1025 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,760 Speaker 1: If you don't want to, you don't have to. Um. 1026 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 1: You know, if poetry is not your thing, there's other 1027 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,600 Speaker 1: stuff going on, you know, Sit and have a glass 1028 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,360 Speaker 1: of whiskey and ask questions. We'll have um, you know, 1029 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,640 Speaker 1: we'll have books available. If anybody is looking to have 1030 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, a book signed, we're happy to do that. 1031 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 1: We'll have copies of I'll have copies unless we forget 1032 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 1: first right out of Denver with a pen, just in 1033 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,680 Speaker 1: case people want them. Um, same thing Rose Dave Rose 1034 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,040 Speaker 1: will have you know, no Joy and from Staying in Time, 1035 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,920 Speaker 1: and and Justin will have some copies of Outside the 1036 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,880 Speaker 1: Wire and uh, you know, we're just we're just hoping 1037 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 1: to interact with our community as much as possible. Um. 1038 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,960 Speaker 1: And it's something different, man, if you've never like, I'll 1039 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,560 Speaker 1: be honest, man, I've never gone to, you know, a 1040 00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,080 Speaker 1: poetry reading before, and it's it's uh, it's going to 1041 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,400 Speaker 1: be something new for a lot of people. And you 1042 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,840 Speaker 1: know that's what life is is, you know, is engaging 1043 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: in new experiences and and not judging something until you've 1044 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,520 Speaker 1: you've actually tasted it a little bit. Um. But yeah, 1045 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: well Jim, you know he can come up, he can, 1046 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,480 Speaker 1: he can that man can say whatever he wants. He 1047 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,839 Speaker 1: can just grab the bike and and you know, tell 1048 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,320 Speaker 1: a story doesn't have to be something that I admit 1049 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm slightly scared of what he's gonna say. I feel 1050 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,720 Speaker 1: the same way for those who don't know. By the way, 1051 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,400 Speaker 1: the first time that Leo met Jim in person, after 1052 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 1: a few drinks, Leo, you were like, I wonder what 1053 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,280 Speaker 1: would happen if I got into a fight with Jim West. 1054 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to see if I could survive a punch 1055 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,520 Speaker 1: from that man. I'll be honest with you, and I'm 1056 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm I'm very lucky. Um. My dad called me right 1057 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,080 Speaker 1: when I was propositioning Jim about this, and I was like, 1058 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I think I'm gonna have Jim West punched 1059 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,919 Speaker 1: me in my face. And my dad was like, okay, 1060 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,200 Speaker 1: let's put him on the phone. And my dad, I 1061 00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:01,960 Speaker 1: think it was like, please don't hit my side. But 1062 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's like hey said, Hey to be it's 1063 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 1: a it's a it's a feather in the cap. You know, 1064 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,359 Speaker 1: the guy survived to punch from from from a pretty 1065 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: damn deadly man. So um, it was. It was a 1066 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 1: poor idea, and I'm glad that. I'm glad that he 1067 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: did not entertain the thought more than just to laugh 1068 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,640 Speaker 1: at me. I've got to ask, you're an avid surfer, 1069 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,440 Speaker 1: cross fitter, snowboarder. Like you're a big extreme sports guy, Like, 1070 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,080 Speaker 1: what are you up to on that front right now? Um? 1071 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,719 Speaker 1: You know, right now, you know, the surf is kind 1072 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,640 Speaker 1: of goofy where I live in the springtime and try 1073 00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,600 Speaker 1: to surf as much as I can five six times 1074 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,840 Speaker 1: a week. I'm pretty close to the break and you know, 1075 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,080 Speaker 1: I try to walk down each morning and check it out. 1076 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,880 Speaker 1: That's been occupying most of my physical and neverors. But 1077 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,759 Speaker 1: you know, I try to keep it together with you know, 1078 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,240 Speaker 1: I don't I don't lift. I don't go crazy lifting 1079 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,760 Speaker 1: too much anymore. But I'm doing a lot more gymnastics stuff. 1080 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm still working rings, um, you know, kettlebells here and there, 1081 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,480 Speaker 1: and just trying to stay fit. I'm trying. I'm just 1082 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,919 Speaker 1: trying to stave off the dad bod. Is my time 1083 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: very fitness thing. After you know, I've competed at elite 1084 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,839 Speaker 1: level and mixed martial arts. I raced traathlon professionally for 1085 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,640 Speaker 1: several years, and then Crosston j switched over into you know, 1086 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,960 Speaker 1: competing in CrossFit and and did you know computer as 1087 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 1: an individual regionals for a few years in a row, 1088 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,640 Speaker 1: and um, you know, those days. You know, I'm thirty 1089 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,000 Speaker 1: five now going on thirty six. You know, the amount 1090 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,920 Speaker 1: of training that you have to endure, that your body 1091 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,520 Speaker 1: has to endure to do any of those sports, it 1092 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,759 Speaker 1: starts to wear on you after a while. I've got 1093 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,520 Speaker 1: my terrors and my brakes and my you know, all 1094 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,719 Speaker 1: of those injuries, and they're starting to catch up. So 1095 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,560 Speaker 1: surfing is one of those relatively low impact sports that 1096 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,040 Speaker 1: I can do five, six times a week. And then 1097 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,319 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to stay as limber as possible, trying 1098 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,319 Speaker 1: to trying to trying to be able to keep up 1099 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,360 Speaker 1: with my child for as late as the life as possible. 1100 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,080 Speaker 1: It's really my fitness goals at this stage, and and 1101 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: to not again have the dad body. We had my 1102 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 1: my daughter's birthday party over the weekend and um, there's 1103 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,920 Speaker 1: probably like six seeing kids over for it, and um, 1104 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,200 Speaker 1: by the end of it, after everyone went home, I 1105 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 1: way down. I took a nap. I felt like dead 1106 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,040 Speaker 1: asleep for like two hours. I'm like, oh my god, 1107 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,279 Speaker 1: I've become my parents. Yeah, it's a it's a weird shift, right, 1108 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,680 Speaker 1: You're like, dude, all the times when I heard my 1109 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,360 Speaker 1: parents when I was really young, so I wish I 1110 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,160 Speaker 1: had your energy. It's like, well, just come on, what's 1111 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 1: the hard thing about it? You get you get on 1112 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,160 Speaker 1: in years, and especially doing the things we've done with 1113 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,400 Speaker 1: how many you know, how many rock marches? How many 1114 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, uh static line jumps and the knees in 1115 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,600 Speaker 1: the back and everything. It's you know, you're slowing down 1116 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, not too much, but you 1117 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 1: know you're just trying to stave that off a little 1118 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,360 Speaker 1: bit and keep that at bay. And but like my 1119 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,240 Speaker 1: my ten month old, man, I like I envy her 1120 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,120 Speaker 1: when she goes down for her nap because I'm like, 1121 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 1: this is the only forty minutes of the day that 1122 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,720 Speaker 1: I've got this quiet that I'm gonna get a little 1123 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,360 Speaker 1: bit done, So I I can't follow suit. But we're 1124 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,840 Speaker 1: becoming our parents. Man, Well, well your daughter is at 1125 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,840 Speaker 1: that age where like she doesn't really necessarily know she's 1126 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,400 Speaker 1: getting tired. It probably just it's like the off switch 1127 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,640 Speaker 1: gets flipped. Like they're just going all all day and 1128 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,040 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they like lay down on 1129 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,880 Speaker 1: the couch and fall asleep. Yeah, well she she she goes, goes, goes, goes, 1130 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,920 Speaker 1: and then she gets tired. It's just cantankerous. It's just ah. 1131 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: So then you gotta you know, she she goes down, 1132 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,520 Speaker 1: she doesn't. She she's either sleeping or she's on fire. 1133 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,840 Speaker 1: It's one of the other. But my kid doesn't really 1134 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,080 Speaker 1: take naps that often anymore now that she she just 1135 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:30,840 Speaker 1: turned us seven. So but they have limitless energy. It's incredible. Yeah, 1136 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,320 Speaker 1: if we just tap into that, tap into that a 1137 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,600 Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, it's inspiring though, man, Like you know, 1138 00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,360 Speaker 1: this is it's it's an interesting evolution into you know, 1139 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 1: for me to uh. It speeds you up in certain 1140 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 1: ways and it slows you down in others. Uh. And 1141 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,120 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a it's a cool experience, a 1142 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,520 Speaker 1: very inspiring thing because I look at this human being 1143 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,600 Speaker 1: looking at me, and you know, not that she has 1144 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,800 Speaker 1: any expectations of me, but I understand fully that her 1145 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, her concept of who you should be in 1146 00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,560 Speaker 1: life is she's learning that every minute of every day, 1147 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, through my actions. Um, And it makes me 1148 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,440 Speaker 1: want to be a better human being. It makes me 1149 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,160 Speaker 1: want to be um just just better in every way 1150 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,760 Speaker 1: shaping form. Well, it's more, it's more than just that. 1151 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,040 Speaker 1: Even Jenkins, I mean, a kid doesn't know any better. 1152 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,240 Speaker 1: Like she thinks you are the world, like you and 1153 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,840 Speaker 1: her mom are the world. Yeah, and see, I think 1154 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,920 Speaker 1: it's it's a responsibility to give her the best version 1155 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,640 Speaker 1: of that. And uh it makes me work harder. Man, 1156 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,120 Speaker 1: I didn't. Uh, I was, I was very much. I 1157 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,640 Speaker 1: was blissfully enjoying the You know, we lived in a 1158 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,640 Speaker 1: van for a year and a half traveling through from 1159 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,680 Speaker 1: Alaska to Panama. Um, you know, lived in a camper. 1160 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,200 Speaker 1: We we hit up last winter. I think we hit 1161 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:47,160 Speaker 1: fourteen different ski resorts in the back of a camper. Well, well, 1162 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,280 Speaker 1: my wife was pregnant. I think she's skied up to 1163 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:54,160 Speaker 1: five months. We were still climbing outdoors until about five months. Um, 1164 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it's uh, you know, it's a different 1165 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,800 Speaker 1: like the brakes kind of haul a little bit, but 1166 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,800 Speaker 1: it speeds up in other places. And um, it's uh, 1167 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,880 Speaker 1: it's not it's not a place where I thought I 1168 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,520 Speaker 1: was gonna be at two years ago, necessarily, but it's 1169 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,720 Speaker 1: it is. It is really cool. It is really cool. 1170 01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,080 Speaker 1: That's awesome. I'm wondering so that, like I said, the 1171 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,160 Speaker 1: last time we had Yawn was Big Mountain Heroes, the 1172 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,320 Speaker 1: Banner People, will see for this episode is like a 1173 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,160 Speaker 1: great shot of you shooting the Big Mountain Heroes documentary 1174 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,120 Speaker 1: having the time of your life. Um. But all right, 1175 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,000 Speaker 1: three of the guys who were on Big Mountain Heroes, yourself, 1176 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 1: Nick Betts, and Nick ca Hill. You are, as you said, 1177 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 1: living in Mexico. Nick Betts is living in Mexico. Nick 1178 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,720 Speaker 1: Cahill is apparently at your place right now, right now 1179 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,520 Speaker 1: in Mexico. Like, what's with all you guys moving to Mexico? 1180 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,720 Speaker 1: What's the what's the big I'll tell you what I 1181 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,680 Speaker 1: And I don't know if I should do this or not, 1182 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,720 Speaker 1: but you're invited. You come down and stay at my 1183 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,320 Speaker 1: house in Baja for a weekend. Um. And it might 1184 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: be a dangerous premise because you might not want to 1185 01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,800 Speaker 1: go back, but you'll see why. Um. Nick Nick Betts 1186 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,760 Speaker 1: and I had a lot of conversations about that move 1187 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,200 Speaker 1: when we were in Shamani shooting Big Mountain Heroes. UM. 1188 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,000 Speaker 1: And you know, he'd been kind of thinking about it 1189 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,200 Speaker 1: for a while. And I like to think that like 1190 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,640 Speaker 1: I gave him that like little last little bit of 1191 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 1: a push of like, dude, it's pretty sweet, you know, 1192 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,760 Speaker 1: um living by you know this motto of make dollars, 1193 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,920 Speaker 1: spend pace. Thos is the conversion rate is actually pretty sweet. 1194 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,200 Speaker 1: But it's you know, I enjoy at this time in 1195 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 1: my life. I enjoy the expansive freedom of the Baja Peninsula. 1196 01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,960 Speaker 1: I just do it's you know, it's live and let live. Um. 1197 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,120 Speaker 1: I can. I can, you know, pull a vehicle up 1198 01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,400 Speaker 1: to any beach and just camp out for a week 1199 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,600 Speaker 1: to three weeks at a time, have a camp fire 1200 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,280 Speaker 1: and you know, surf right there and and nobody says 1201 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,040 Speaker 1: word one about it. I enjoy that. Um. It's difficult 1202 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,520 Speaker 1: to find those places more and more in the US 1203 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:58,440 Speaker 1: because people, they become it becomes abused right to trash 1204 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,840 Speaker 1: and everything else. And you got a career rules and 1205 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,960 Speaker 1: um and restrictions about how you can do this. Uh. 1206 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,480 Speaker 1: You know, I can take my dog to the beach 1207 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,919 Speaker 1: and just let him run around and there's nobody telling 1208 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,000 Speaker 1: me that I can't do that, And UM, that's just 1209 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:14,520 Speaker 1: I just feel I feel that there. Um it's uh, 1210 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,240 Speaker 1: it's just a beautiful place to live. And then you 1211 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,200 Speaker 1: got Burkhart up in the Pacific Northwest to do in 1212 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,400 Speaker 1: d m T or whatever those people do up there. 1213 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,880 Speaker 1: He's holding out man. The last time I went and 1214 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,200 Speaker 1: visited in burke Hard, he didn't share any of that 1215 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,400 Speaker 1: d MT with me. I'm just joking about the d 1216 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,200 Speaker 1: m T. I don't know, but I don't know what 1217 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,280 Speaker 1: people do up there. That place weirds me out. I've 1218 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,440 Speaker 1: never been there. Yeah, it's that was my first experience 1219 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,800 Speaker 1: in Ben when we did the uh we did the 1220 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,120 Speaker 1: showing of Big Mountain Heroes there and what a turnout. Man, 1221 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,120 Speaker 1: that was so cool that the old the old theater 1222 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,520 Speaker 1: there and Ben that we had that at and and 1223 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, it was just filled out and we had 1224 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,200 Speaker 1: so many people show up and ask questions and engaged 1225 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,240 Speaker 1: that were interested. They loved that film, and um, then 1226 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,200 Speaker 1: you know it's a cool town. It's got its own pulse. Um. 1227 01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,920 Speaker 1: You know, I can see why he's uh while he's 1228 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,040 Speaker 1: settled there, and uh it's I would I would love 1229 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:10,920 Speaker 1: eventually to have a place in you know, in the 1230 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,480 Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest and um, you know, just have my my ball. 1231 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,240 Speaker 1: He plays to be kind of a you know, a 1232 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,200 Speaker 1: getaway spot. But uh, it's it's it's beautiful country man. 1233 01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,280 Speaker 1: You cannot deny Washington and Oregon or are They're just 1234 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,800 Speaker 1: beautiful beautiful States. Very cool man. Well, we're looking forward 1235 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,760 Speaker 1: to the Verses and Curses Tour as you you know, 1236 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,240 Speaker 1: you guys listening. I've heard I'll be at the New 1237 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,400 Speaker 1: York City date along with Jack and Jim West. So 1238 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:41,040 Speaker 1: to give everybody the details on that, Um, New York City, 1239 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:46,680 Speaker 1: May thirty, a Hill, Massachusetts June second, Washington, d C. 1240 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,680 Speaker 1: June fourth, Atlanta June sixth, Cooper City, Florida. And then 1241 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,640 Speaker 1: if you want to see the actual venues themselves. Uh, 1242 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:59,040 Speaker 1: the website is Versus and Curses Tour dot com. On Instagram, 1243 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,960 Speaker 1: it's Versus on er Score, the Letter and Underscore Curses. Uh. 1244 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,560 Speaker 1: Leo is on Instagram and really active on there at 1245 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,920 Speaker 1: Leo Underscore Jenkins and then on Twitter at Leo Underscore 1246 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 1: Jenkins Underscore. UM. So yeah, looking really forward to it, men. Um, 1247 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,280 Speaker 1: and so you said that Marty Scoveland will be at 1248 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,720 Speaker 1: the Massachusetts State Who this audience knows any other like 1249 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:27,800 Speaker 1: surprise guests that this audience would be excited about. Um, 1250 01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:32,480 Speaker 1: I think, uh, that's that's I think the yeah, I 1251 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,760 Speaker 1: mean those are yeh, Marty's gonna be out uh in 1252 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:40,240 Speaker 1: in Haverhill. I'm I'm I've heard he's actually gonna read 1253 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,720 Speaker 1: a poem that he wrote. I'm really excited about that. 1254 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that he'll share two or three pieces of 1255 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,360 Speaker 1: his writing. He's actually in Afghanistan right now on assignment. 1256 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,360 Speaker 1: Um so's he's on his way back. I think he's 1257 01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,400 Speaker 1: going to be in the States for like four days 1258 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,760 Speaker 1: and then he's I think going to Normandy to cover 1259 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,680 Speaker 1: something there. Uh and you know, is this thing that 1260 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,160 Speaker 1: goes on in June six, Um that uh that's kind 1261 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,920 Speaker 1: of a big deal. And uh so yeah, he's I 1262 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,760 Speaker 1: think he's coming back to the States for three or 1263 01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,960 Speaker 1: four days to be at that event. And um and 1264 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,560 Speaker 1: uh yeah, and there's every I think every one of 1265 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,520 Speaker 1: these stops there's going to be a potential uh to 1266 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,760 Speaker 1: you know, not just to hear the three of us, 1267 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, myself, Dave and and Justin, but but to 1268 01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,560 Speaker 1: hear the voices of a lot of um maybe read 1269 01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,360 Speaker 1: and writers who haven't come up yet, you know. Um 1270 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,440 Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna see. And from what I've 1271 01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,240 Speaker 1: been people have been sharing things. Hey, would it be 1272 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,400 Speaker 1: okay if I can share this poem in d C 1273 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,640 Speaker 1: and send it to me? It's like, wow, man, that's 1274 01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,800 Speaker 1: it's it's rattling, and so it's you know, where these 1275 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,000 Speaker 1: maybe some of these names aren't names we know yet. 1276 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,120 Speaker 1: I think that this might be the very first opportunity 1277 01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,520 Speaker 1: to springboard for some of these people who you're going 1278 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,080 Speaker 1: to see a year two years from now releasing books, 1279 01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:01,080 Speaker 1: who are fantastic writers. They just haven't been given opportunity yet, 1280 01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,800 Speaker 1: or they haven't been given the guidance or the mentorship yet. 1281 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,560 Speaker 1: And that's really what we're attempting to achieve here, is 1282 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,080 Speaker 1: to say, look, a little bit of knowledge that I 1283 01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,640 Speaker 1: do have in this realm, let me use that to 1284 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,720 Speaker 1: help you come up and to to utilize your talents 1285 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,880 Speaker 1: and to you know, to show that often to tell 1286 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,880 Speaker 1: your stories, because there are so many phenomenal stories that 1287 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,400 Speaker 1: come out of combat. The camaraderie, you know, the brotherhood, 1288 01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:33,360 Speaker 1: the suffering, the sorrow, the absolute raunchy, beautiful humor, um, 1289 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:37,200 Speaker 1: all of that is uh, you know, it's we're hoping 1290 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,680 Speaker 1: to pull all those people you know out of the 1291 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,040 Speaker 1: woodwork and get them writing more and sharing those experiences 1292 01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,200 Speaker 1: because our society as a whole needs them so um. 1293 01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,400 Speaker 1: We're that's really what we're trying to emphasize is to 1294 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,080 Speaker 1: get people who who aren't you know, don't have a 1295 01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,120 Speaker 1: hundred thousand followers necessarily, who don't have a voice yet, 1296 01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,920 Speaker 1: to give them that opportunity to create that voice and 1297 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:02,320 Speaker 1: to to amplify it for them. It's awesome. I'm glad 1298 01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,480 Speaker 1: you guys are putting this on. Yeah, it'll be interesting. 1299 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it could go any which way, and I 1300 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,720 Speaker 1: think no, nothing like this has really happened before to 1301 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,840 Speaker 1: my knowledge. Um, so there's not really a template for it. 1302 01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,520 Speaker 1: We're definitely shooting from the hip over and over and 1303 01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,160 Speaker 1: over again. We're making little mistakes and adjusting fire and 1304 01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,080 Speaker 1: we'll see, you know. Um I. The only thing that 1305 01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,200 Speaker 1: I know, definitively, absolutely percent is that r V is 1306 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,640 Speaker 1: gonna smell like a dead fucking camel after about three 1307 01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,080 Speaker 1: hours with all of us living in it. It's that 1308 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna be. There's a so there's a tattoo artist 1309 01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,040 Speaker 1: who's also coming along, who's gonna be living in the 1310 01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,120 Speaker 1: r V with us, tattooing us along the way. Um, 1311 01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,360 Speaker 1: just because why not if you're gonna do a punk 1312 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,360 Speaker 1: rock poetry tour, let's let's get some inks slung on 1313 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,080 Speaker 1: the road. On the way. So it's gonna be a ruckus. 1314 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,080 Speaker 1: It's just the whole thing is just gonna be it's 1315 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,760 Speaker 1: gonna be a ruckus. Yeah. I think you're right that 1316 01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,880 Speaker 1: there's like a whole generation of veteran writers that haven't 1317 01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,440 Speaker 1: really come to the forefront quite yet. Um. And maybe 1318 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,080 Speaker 1: part of it is because the war has not ended 1319 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,440 Speaker 1: and it's still going on, or I really don't know. 1320 01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,520 Speaker 1: I think we've gotten a lot of books, um that 1321 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,960 Speaker 1: are kind of like the ghost written memoirs and things 1322 01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,919 Speaker 1: like that, but we we haven't gotten like the Tim 1323 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,080 Speaker 1: O'Brien effect, Like we haven't really had those voices, or 1324 01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,440 Speaker 1: we haven't I should say, we haven't had many of them, 1325 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,639 Speaker 1: um coming to the forefront quite yet. To me, these 1326 01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,639 Speaker 1: are the best stories, you know, UM. You know, from 1327 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,760 Speaker 1: from the calamity of combat can can come some of 1328 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,559 Speaker 1: the best, um, you know, the best pros, the best poetry. UM. 1329 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,800 Speaker 1: And you look historically at some of the you know, 1330 01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,280 Speaker 1: the most revered writers in our history. UM. You know, 1331 01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,920 Speaker 1: whether they emphasize it in their righting or not, they 1332 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, they came from that background hemingway, you know, 1333 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,600 Speaker 1: they these you know, there's there's there's talent there, and 1334 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,120 Speaker 1: I think it's I don't think it's quite as prevalent 1335 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,200 Speaker 1: as it's made out to be. But there is that 1336 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,599 Speaker 1: a version or suppression in the veteran community to say, well, 1337 01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,439 Speaker 1: don't you're not supposed to share your story, are supposed 1338 01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,720 Speaker 1: to be quiet and all these things. But the thing is, 1339 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,880 Speaker 1: these these stories are being told by other people, right 1340 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,679 Speaker 1: who didn't actually live them, you know, in television shows 1341 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,720 Speaker 1: and movies, and and they're just they're doing like kind 1342 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:17,160 Speaker 1: of a theatrical version of what they something some officer 1343 01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:18,760 Speaker 1: is going to write about the ops you are on 1344 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,519 Speaker 1: and take credit for him exactly he wasn't even there, 1345 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, you know, or a Hollywood producer director is 1346 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,840 Speaker 1: just gonna you know, he'll make a film about you know, 1347 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,680 Speaker 1: combat situations or or or operations that you know he 1348 01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,439 Speaker 1: wasn't ever a part of. Uh. And you know, I 1349 01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,200 Speaker 1: think that the people who should be writing these stories about, 1350 01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, seventeen years of war should be the people 1351 01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,439 Speaker 1: who lived in it. Should be coming from their from 1352 01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,200 Speaker 1: their pen, from their mouth, um. And you know, I 1353 01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:47,880 Speaker 1: just want to encourage that. And if we can get 1354 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, in this whole thing, at the end of 1355 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,280 Speaker 1: it all said and done. If we get one or 1356 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:57,080 Speaker 1: two people that end up writing these beautiful stories that 1357 01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,760 Speaker 1: ends up being shared, you know, throughout societ id, then 1358 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,680 Speaker 1: then we've we've done right by by our peers. Uh. 1359 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,080 Speaker 1: And again to try to take away that stigma of 1360 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,880 Speaker 1: like you're not supposed to talk about it. Don't talk 1361 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,720 Speaker 1: about that fuck that funck that man um funk that. 1362 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,759 Speaker 1: Tell your story, you know, and tell it with pride 1363 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,000 Speaker 1: that it's it's who you are. Do not be ashamed 1364 01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,920 Speaker 1: of having done the things that you've done. It's there's, there's, there's. 1365 01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,479 Speaker 1: Life is too short to throw that ship on your 1366 01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,840 Speaker 1: back and have to carry that, you know, for years 1367 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,240 Speaker 1: and years and years and years. Get that ship out. 1368 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,200 Speaker 1: Tell your story, do not be ashamed of it, um, 1369 01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,080 Speaker 1: embrace it, have you know, tell it with pride um 1370 01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,400 Speaker 1: you know. It's we want people to come out and 1371 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,880 Speaker 1: and feel that well said man, Well, looking forward to it, 1372 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,799 Speaker 1: and thanks for coming on with us, right always man always, 1373 01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'll see you, feed you 1374 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,120 Speaker 1: guys and having a pint. Yeah, I'll see you on Monday, 1375 01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,360 Speaker 1: and I'll probably get some audio while i'm there too, 1376 01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,320 Speaker 1: and maybe throw that on the next show. Very cool, 1377 01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:57,200 Speaker 1: very cool. Thanks all right, you take care man. So 1378 01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,599 Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing any of you who can make 1379 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,720 Speaker 1: it on Monday. I mean, if you don't have any 1380 01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,280 Speaker 1: Memorial Day plans, you have no excuse come out hang 1381 01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,280 Speaker 1: with us. Uh, you know, I think everybody who's like 1382 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,840 Speaker 1: a part of this podcast or very approachable guys. I 1383 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:12,960 Speaker 1: should have addressed this, by the way at the beginning 1384 01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:16,400 Speaker 1: of the show. Um, the response to the Dan Gordon interview, 1385 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,519 Speaker 1: like already is really really big, Like I'm seeing comments 1386 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,640 Speaker 1: between like the Instagram and the Twitter and the emails 1387 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,320 Speaker 1: and even on the website. And the one thing that 1388 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,880 Speaker 1: that I was just going to mention though, is I 1389 01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,599 Speaker 1: saw like some Facebook comments of like, oh, you know, 1390 01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,600 Speaker 1: you can't expect a guy who's like a former i 1391 01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,400 Speaker 1: d F captain to give you an objective look at 1392 01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,160 Speaker 1: what's going on in Israel right now now. In the 1393 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,280 Speaker 1: title like yes, I did, right, Dan Gordon says what's 1394 01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:43,880 Speaker 1: going on the truth of like what's going on in 1395 01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,200 Speaker 1: the ground. But even on the on the interview itself, 1396 01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:50,200 Speaker 1: I did address like, yes, this is one side of 1397 01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,479 Speaker 1: of an ongoing issue. However, I think Dan makes a 1398 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,080 Speaker 1: great argument. I think that he went very into detail. 1399 01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,640 Speaker 1: It couldn't really vast for more. Um, but by no 1400 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,360 Speaker 1: means am I saying that there's not another side to 1401 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,280 Speaker 1: this conference. I mean, what are we supposed to not 1402 01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,200 Speaker 1: talk to Israeli's about what's going on in Israel? Like 1403 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense exactly. Yeah, So I just you know, 1404 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,280 Speaker 1: I think that you know what it is. I think 1405 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,960 Speaker 1: when I speak on the podcast, the people hearing this 1406 01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,080 Speaker 1: already feel the way that I do. It's probably the 1407 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,719 Speaker 1: people who just see the headline and want to comment 1408 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,200 Speaker 1: right away before they hear hear the actual episode. But 1409 01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,120 Speaker 1: if you didn't hear that episode, I think there was 1410 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,360 Speaker 1: plenty that Actually, I'll even say for me, a lot 1411 01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,559 Speaker 1: of what he said changed my mind. Um. You know, 1412 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,719 Speaker 1: although like I grew up Jewish, have been to Israel, 1413 01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm not someone who sees this as like purely one 1414 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,599 Speaker 1: sided conflict. And when I saw what was going on, 1415 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,640 Speaker 1: I was frankly disgusted by some of it. And then 1416 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,320 Speaker 1: when I listened to Dan going to detail, I was like, 1417 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,439 Speaker 1: all right, this makes a little bit more sense and 1418 01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,240 Speaker 1: kind of pieces together the puzzle of like why things 1419 01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,720 Speaker 1: happened the way that they did, why the numbers were 1420 01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,559 Speaker 1: the way that they were, And well, I saw like 1421 01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,240 Speaker 1: left wing outlets were saying that the Israelis have already 1422 01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,479 Speaker 1: killed three thousand people, and I'm like, dude, really it's 1423 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,479 Speaker 1: just made up. Ship. Yeah, and uh, you know, I 1424 01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,720 Speaker 1: put up a great clip on the Instagram. I think 1425 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,439 Speaker 1: of him saying the amount wounded, the amount killed, and 1426 01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,040 Speaker 1: where he says like, I thought it was interesting, especially 1427 01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,640 Speaker 1: where he said like, because it's Israel and we know 1428 01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,519 Speaker 1: the identity of all the Palestinian people there, we were 1429 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,640 Speaker 1: able to point out that the guys we killed, like 1430 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,960 Speaker 1: this is his name, this is his address, this is 1431 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,479 Speaker 1: this person's phone number. Yes, they are affiliated with the 1432 01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,000 Speaker 1: MOSS Like, I thought that was really interesting. Well, it's 1433 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,760 Speaker 1: interesting that he said there's a spreadsheet with every shot fired. Yeah, Now, 1434 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean it would be interesting if the Israeli government 1435 01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,599 Speaker 1: was willing to share that information. Yeah, why don't Why 1436 01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,840 Speaker 1: don't they, you know, be more transparent about it. I mean, 1437 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,839 Speaker 1: I know there's there's a such thing as military secrecy, 1438 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,639 Speaker 1: of course, right you know. Um, and I think Dan 1439 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,080 Speaker 1: also he kind of beat around the bush. He didn't 1440 01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:59,439 Speaker 1: want to detail troop numbers, and I understand that. Um, 1441 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,120 Speaker 1: but I mean, if Israel has documented all that stuff, 1442 01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,680 Speaker 1: I wish they would release more of that information so 1443 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,160 Speaker 1: we can kind of analyze it. Yeah, I would agree. 1444 01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,439 Speaker 1: The unfortunate thing, and this goes both ways, I think, 1445 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,400 Speaker 1: is that there's a certain segment of the population where 1446 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:17,200 Speaker 1: no matter what Israel does, Israel is responsible for all 1447 01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:18,920 Speaker 1: the evils of the world, which is what he kind 1448 01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,960 Speaker 1: of went into. And I think there's a segment of 1449 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,479 Speaker 1: the population that the muscle world is responsible for every 1450 01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,600 Speaker 1: single thing that goes wrong in the world. And I 1451 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,240 Speaker 1: don't think it's that clear on either end. Yeah, That's 1452 01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,360 Speaker 1: why I very rarely comment on this subject because people 1453 01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:36,559 Speaker 1: pull into one or two extremes, and I mean not 1454 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:41,240 Speaker 1: And when I say people, I don't mean Israeli's or Palestinians. Um, 1455 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,200 Speaker 1: I mean people in America. Yeah, and Dan is obviously 1456 01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:50,679 Speaker 1: on on the Israel side. However, he didn't just come 1457 01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,599 Speaker 1: on here and spout, you know, his opinion on things. 1458 01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,160 Speaker 1: He went into very uh, he went very in depth 1459 01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,160 Speaker 1: in details. So you don't want to do it, I 1460 01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,080 Speaker 1: think you should. I really enjoyed um doing that interview 1461 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,960 Speaker 1: a lot. Is probably one of my favorites anytime he's on. 1462 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,000 Speaker 1: I just I really love hearing from him, especially because 1463 01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,479 Speaker 1: I my favorite people on the podcast, I think are 1464 01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,800 Speaker 1: veterans who have gone on to do just really other 1465 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,320 Speaker 1: interesting things on a mass scale. And he's one of 1466 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,320 Speaker 1: those guys, uh, you know, beyond just being a veteran, 1467 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,360 Speaker 1: has written not just movies, but like movies that became 1468 01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,759 Speaker 1: critically acclaimed with actors like Wesley Snipes and Kevin Costner 1469 01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,439 Speaker 1: and Denzel Washington. And I think that's just so cool 1470 01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:36,559 Speaker 1: to say. Definitely, he's he's lived an interesting live. Yeah. Um, alright, 1471 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,679 Speaker 1: So next episode, I believe we have on the author 1472 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:43,160 Speaker 1: of that book in front of you, Daniel Ford. Oh good, um, yeah, 1473 01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:47,400 Speaker 1: Daniel Ford, who I think I got in touch with 1474 01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,160 Speaker 1: us because of the David rered In interview. No, I 1475 01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,599 Speaker 1: think because of the Jim Morrison. Yes, the Jim Morris, 1476 01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,120 Speaker 1: because Jim Jim knew this guy. This uh any reference 1477 01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,679 Speaker 1: the book during the interview is what it was. Oh 1478 01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:04,559 Speaker 1: look at this. I'm looking at the acknowledgments and there's 1479 01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,920 Speaker 1: another name in this book that I know, and I've 1480 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:13,440 Speaker 1: actually spoken to this person. He's long time agency employee. 1481 01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,720 Speaker 1: Actually he's retired. Now I did not expect to see that. 1482 01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,080 Speaker 1: He's a very he's a very sharp guy. So this 1483 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,960 Speaker 1: will be an interesting one with Daniel. And this is 1484 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,280 Speaker 1: another one of those guys who you don't really hear 1485 01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:29,800 Speaker 1: interviews from older generation. Um. The book, I believe was 1486 01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,599 Speaker 1: put out completely independently, So a lot of these books 1487 01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,840 Speaker 1: don't get the exposure of of other books that we 1488 01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,960 Speaker 1: have on the show by guys like everybody knows about 1489 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,679 Speaker 1: the Rob o'neils and all these stories, but someone like him, Um, 1490 01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, people don't don't hear this. And these these 1491 01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:51,400 Speaker 1: are the unc sunsung heroes of the war is, the 1492 01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:55,880 Speaker 1: interpreters and the guys who assumed so much risk and 1493 01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,080 Speaker 1: did so much crazy stuff and supported us. Um this 1494 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,599 Speaker 1: you know, it's I was like this guy in Vietnam. 1495 01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,080 Speaker 1: He was a mountain yard. Um. 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