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Speaker 3: Madame Monsieur moncis who I'm Ladies and gentlemen. Good evening
Speaker 3: in Mont's The investigation of the serial killer could be
Speaker 3: about to reach a conclusion. After a warrant was served
Speaker 3: today in the region of Mons, a suspect was arrested
Speaker 3: and is being interrogated at the Justice Palace by the
Speaker 3: investigating judge in charge of the investigation. For the moment,
Speaker 3: authorities are refusing to confirm the arrest. Information is slowly
Speaker 3: filtering through and we know that following the identification of
Speaker 3: one of the victims of The Butcher of Mons, things
Speaker 3: seem to be moving fast. The prosecutor remains very discreet.
Speaker 3: This morning, he refused to divulge the name of the
Speaker 3: victim in question.
Speaker 4: A carefully mysteriously covetu de.
Speaker 5: Disappearance of a woman from mont.
Speaker 6: The condition of the victims was sickening.
Speaker 7: And the question remains, where is the killer?
Speaker 1: From Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts, I'm Your Host Matt
Speaker 1: Graves and This is le manstre Season two. The Butcher
Speaker 1: of Moss April twenty fourth, nineteen ninety seven, The public
Speaker 1: breathed a collective sigh of relief when a man named
Speaker 1: Leopold Bogart was arrested in charge with the murder of
Speaker 1: his girlfriend Natalie Godard, the latest victim of the Butcher
Speaker 1: of Moss, who disappeared roughly a month earlier. You'll recall
Speaker 1: from episode two that on the day Natali disappeared, she
Speaker 1: and a group of friends attended a peaceful protest in
Speaker 1: Moss called the White March for victims of the du
Speaker 1: True Affair. After the march, she and her boyfriend Leopold
Speaker 1: went partying with friends, and Natalie was last seen in
Speaker 1: front of a fast food restaurant a week after her disappearance.
Speaker 1: Her torso was found on the side of a road
Speaker 1: named the Path of Worry. Her head and other body
Speaker 1: parts were found off of Dump Road and Saint Semforian Street.
Speaker 1: Natalie was never reported missing, not even by Leopold, which
Speaker 1: certainly raised suspicions. When she turned up murdered. After her disappearance,
Speaker 1: police were unable to locate Leopold, further raising their suspicions
Speaker 1: about his involvement. But there was a reason that Leopold
Speaker 1: was hard to locate. Nicknamed Legiton or the Gypsy, Leopold
Speaker 1: came from a family of traveling people, often referred to
Speaker 1: as gypsies. It was a rough life full of internessing, quarrels,
Speaker 1: and violence. In the same year as his arrest, it
Speaker 1: was reported that his brother was murdered by his cousin
Speaker 1: with a shotgun in a deadly dispute. Leopold was known
Speaker 1: as a tough guy who lived off the grid, so
Speaker 1: it's not surprising that police had a hard time tracking
Speaker 1: him down. They suspected him of being on the run
Speaker 1: since Natalie's disappearance, and when finally they caught up to him,
Speaker 1: police found several incriminating elements, including blood sparrow on some
Speaker 1: of his clothes. Here's the Attorney General from the time,
Speaker 1: Claude Michaud.
Speaker 4: Just after the disappearance of Natalie Goddart. We thought that
Speaker 4: he had fled. We understood that he had shaved his mustache,
Speaker 4: and we believed that he'd burned the clothes of Natalie.
Speaker 4: There were a series of elements that led the police
Speaker 4: and the investigating judge with good reason to suspect his involvement.
Speaker 1: I spoke with a lawyer who represented Leopold Bogart at
Speaker 1: the time. Her name is Celine Paris and she's still
Speaker 1: practicing in Mars.
Speaker 6: In the spring of nineteen ninety seven, the city of
Speaker 6: Mons was shocked and haunted about a series of absolutely
Speaker 6: macabre discoveries. They discovered trash bags full of dismembered female body.
Speaker 5: Parts of Montchevsim White.
Speaker 6: Yes, it was some time in March or April. I
Speaker 6: had been a lawyer for only six months, and one
Speaker 6: evening a client I had previously defended for a trivial
Speaker 6: offense called me from the prison and said Maco and
Speaker 6: they showed me a picture of my girlfriend and asked
Speaker 6: me where I hid her head. And at that point
Speaker 6: I understood right away why he'd been arrested, and then
Speaker 6: I went to see him in prison.
Speaker 1: I asked her if she knows why Leopold suddenly left
Speaker 1: Moss right after Natalie's disappearance and what led police to
Speaker 1: suspect him. He got into some.
Speaker 6: Sort of fight that night or the day after. It
Speaker 6: was after that that he decided to return to his family.
Speaker 6: They found this suspicious, and also the fact that before
Speaker 6: going back to his family, he had freshened up a bit,
Speaker 6: He had a shave and got a haircut, and these
Speaker 6: elements were apparently what prompted the investigating judge to order
Speaker 6: the arrest of my client. But you have to take
Speaker 6: into consideration that they didn't have any other leads and
Speaker 6: were desperate, which precipitated the arrest.
Speaker 1: Leopold maintained his innocence, stating that he had nothing to
Speaker 1: do as Natalis's disappearance or murder. He cleimed the blood
Speaker 1: found on his clothing was from a fight, and later
Speaker 1: testing proved that it wasn't a match with any of
Speaker 1: the identified victims. Additional investigations failed to link Leopold to
Speaker 1: the crimes, with a negative blood test and no further evidence.
Speaker 1: Police became convinced that he wasn't their man. Leopold was
Speaker 1: released two weeks after his arrest. I'm innocent.
Speaker 3: How does it fuse to be free?
Speaker 8: Good because they put an innocent guy in prison?
Speaker 3: Are you disgusted with Of course?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Why did they.
Speaker 8: Come out to see anything else?
Speaker 1: I want to go back to my family.
Speaker 3: They didn't have any proof again for you, excuse.
Speaker 1: Me, I'm going home. I'm leaving. The public's brief sigh
Speaker 1: of relief was over and the terror came flooding back.
Speaker 1: Some of the body parts of the three identified victims
Speaker 1: hadn't been found, and there was a sense of uneasiness
Speaker 1: knowing that there were likely more remains discarded around mass
Speaker 1: The pace of almost daily developments slowed, the tension remained high.
Speaker 1: These continued searching on the ground and from the air.
Speaker 1: Then news of a new connection broke.
Speaker 9: Dinu Vodona feldudipas.
Speaker 3: New information regarding the affair of the butcher of Monts,
Speaker 3: who likely murdered a fourth victim. A torso that was
Speaker 3: found in the region of Valenciennes in France in January
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six was identified by French investigators.
Speaker 1: It was January twenty first, nineteen ninety six, six months
Speaker 1: before any of the victims of the Butcher of Mass
Speaker 1: were reported missing, a hiker made a gruesome discovery along
Speaker 1: the banks of the Escot River in France, thirty miles
Speaker 1: downriver from Moss. French police attended the scene to find
Speaker 1: a dismembered pelvis. It had been cut at the belly
Speaker 1: and just above the knees. It was the pelvis and
Speaker 1: midsection of a female body, including the upper parts of
Speaker 1: Authorities had no idea who the victim was, and without
Speaker 1: a pattern of additional murders to link this crime to,
Speaker 1: it would take more than one and a half years
Speaker 1: to identify the victim. After trash bags full of body
Speaker 1: parts started appearing in Moss in nineteen ninety seven, police
Speaker 1: aggressively followed up on all unresolved missing persons cases, as
Speaker 1: well as any other discoveries of unidentified remains in southern
Speaker 1: Belgium and northern France. By comparing DNA extracted from the
Speaker 1: pelvis found in France with genetic material from family members
Speaker 1: of missing persons, it was established that the victim was
Speaker 1: Carmelina Rousseau, a forty two year old mother of three
Speaker 1: from mass She had been reported missing shortly after her
Speaker 1: disappearance the previous year, but her case had remained unsolved.
Speaker 1: Her family and friends couldn't think of any reason at
Speaker 1: all why someone would want to hurt her. Carmelina Rousseau
Speaker 1: was originally from France. After meeting her husband, the couple
Speaker 1: moved to Moss in Belgium and started a family. Carmelina
Speaker 1: was devoted to her loved ones, and when she moved
Speaker 1: to Belgium, her parents followed her to be closer to
Speaker 1: their three grandchildren. Sadly, after her husband passed away, she
Speaker 1: found herself a widow, raising three children and taking care
Speaker 1: of aging parents. Life was difficult, and she did what
Speaker 1: she could to get by living in social housing and
Speaker 1: working in various small jobs to make ends meet. By
Speaker 1: January nineteen ninety six, her son found himself serving time
Speaker 1: at a prison in Moss. On January fourth, Carmelina went
Speaker 1: to visit him. Afterward, she made her way to a supermarket,
Speaker 1: following an eastward route that took her through the city
Speaker 1: and passed the Central train station Round zero for the
Speaker 1: US other disappearances, The last sighting of Carmelina Rousseau was
Speaker 1: that evening January fourth, at around six pm at a
Speaker 1: supermarket less than three miles from the train station. She
Speaker 1: was never seen alive again. I spoke with the only
Speaker 1: remaining lawyer representing a civil party in this affair. His
Speaker 1: name is Frank di Cippoli, and he represents the Rousseau family.
Speaker 1: Frank started off by reminding me, or maybe I should
Speaker 1: say warning me, that I'm investigating a case that's still active.
Speaker 8: So you are making a podcast about an affair that
Speaker 8: isn't even yet finished. It's not a cold case because
Speaker 8: the investigation is still open, so it's particular you're actually
Speaker 8: within that investigation.
Speaker 1: Belgium and most countries in Central Europe, for that matter, haven't,
Speaker 1: for the most part, experienced the phenomenon of active investigation
Speaker 1: pod casts. It would be an understatement to say that
Speaker 1: authorities don't welcome such initiatives. But Frank is a nice guy,
Speaker 1: and as a lawyer, I think he takes a position
Speaker 1: that more scrutiny is a good thing. He explained how
Speaker 1: he became involved in the case Javet Cleonqui.
Speaker 8: I had a client who was in the prison of Monts,
Speaker 8: who was actually the son of Carmelina Russo. And it
Speaker 8: was after investigators had identified Carmelina Russo after finding part
Speaker 8: of her body. They had suspicions in the beginning about
Speaker 8: her son, who was in prison, and he was in
Speaker 8: prison for crimes involving violence, and so investigators thought maybe
Speaker 8: he had something to do with her murder. And at
Speaker 8: the time, they thought her death had happened at a
Speaker 8: time when her son wasn't in prison. So they came
Speaker 8: to the prison and while the problem is that they
Speaker 8: didn't pull any punches, they were very direct and they
Speaker 8: showed the sun pictures of his mother, pictures of his
Speaker 8: mother's couldaver and he learned about the death of his
Speaker 8: mother while he was in prison. It was actually then
Speaker 8: that he learned that his mother was dead and that
Speaker 8: she'd actually been dismembered.
Speaker 7: On prison.
Speaker 8: And on top of that, he felt right away that
Speaker 8: he was being treated as a suspect, and so then
Speaker 8: he just went crazy. He ransacked his entire cell. I mean,
Speaker 8: the guards had to come in and suppress him, and
Speaker 8: then they realized quite quickly that he didn't have anything
Speaker 8: to do with the murder. And then he called me.
Speaker 8: He called me to explain all of this, and because
Speaker 8: he was now facing disciplinary measures because he'd rebelled so
Speaker 8: aggressively when they gave him the news, and that could
Speaker 8: have consequences on his sentence. And he explained all of
Speaker 8: this to me, and that's how I got involved with
Speaker 8: this whole affair. It wasn't like the usual case where
Speaker 8: a family comes to see you because there's an investigation
Speaker 8: about the death of someone close. No, we were directly
Speaker 8: in the heat of the action via someone who was
Speaker 8: immediately considered as a suspect and then it was quickly
Speaker 8: realized that he was actually a victim.
Speaker 1: Frank Gisippole went on to represent the children of Carmelina
Speaker 1: Rousseau in the butcher of Man's case, ensuring their mother's
Speaker 1: murder gets the attention it deserves. Frank is supportive of
Speaker 1: our work, but very conscious of something sacrisanct in Belgian
Speaker 1: law called les secret instruction, meaning that he's not allowed
Speaker 1: to share the case file or any confidential information related
Speaker 1: to the case. As the last remaining lawyer representing a
Speaker 1: civil party, he plays an important role in this affair.
Speaker 1: For example, if new evidence is discovered, he can request
Speaker 1: additional duties of the investigating Jim, who can then order
Speaker 1: police to carry out further investigations. In short, this means
Speaker 1: that Frank could act as a direct line between our
Speaker 1: work and Belgian authorities. It's believed that Carmeline Russeau was
Speaker 1: the first victim of the butcher of Monts. It wasn't
Speaker 1: until after three other victims were discovered and identified that
Speaker 1: police were able to link her murder to this case.
Speaker 1: Just like the other victims, Carmelin Ne Russeau was known
Speaker 1: to frequent establishments around the central train station, including the
Speaker 1: hotel and bar Le Metropol. The investigative journalist Frederic Laure explains.
Speaker 7: Carmelin Russeau is probably the first victim of the passeo
Speaker 7: of montm She had a quite normal life, you know,
Speaker 7: and she even worked in an insurance company before disappearing.
Speaker 7: She didn't have mental and social problems like the others.
Speaker 7: She had a main job, she had her family, a
Speaker 7: place to live, and apart from that, she had a
Speaker 7: side job. She was selling lagerie in different places around
Speaker 7: the mont station, especially in the bars of the night
Speaker 7: close to the station of Monts. You know those places
Speaker 7: where people, especially men of course go there to meet
Speaker 7: girls and especially prostituted. And we also know that she
Speaker 7: used to go to the Hotel Metropol and then there
Speaker 7: she met different people, but also some girls to sell
Speaker 7: them a laxurie. So now we have four victim and
Speaker 7: we are sure that they have one thing in common.
Speaker 7: They all spend time in the area of the station
Speaker 7: and they wear old customers of the Ottel Metropoli.
Speaker 1: Carmelina's case is similar to the other victims in many ways,
Speaker 1: but there's a distinct difference. Her remains were found nearly
Speaker 1: thirty miles away from Mons, in neighboring France. You recall
Speaker 1: from the last episode that I visited various sites in
Speaker 1: Mons where victims body parts were discovered. So we just
Speaker 1: drove up to this bridge. We're on a street that's
Speaker 1: called Worry Way, Shmann, Did I get you to Worry Street?
Speaker 1: And it's right over a river that's called the River
Speaker 1: of Hate. So what you have here is we're behind
Speaker 1: the train station, not very far. And if I'm on
Speaker 1: this bridge, and if I look down about two hundred
Speaker 1: meters in front of me, I see where the trunk
Speaker 1: of a body was found. In July of nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: turned out to be Bone. And then if I turn
Speaker 1: around and look a little bit to my left, I
Speaker 1: can see where the trunk of another body was discovered.
Speaker 1: This was on the twenty fourth of March, and this
Speaker 1: was Natari Goda. And Morgan has an interesting theory that
Speaker 1: he thinks that all of the big body parts were
Speaker 1: dropped here into this river that I'm looking at right now,
Speaker 1: And I can see that the river is slightly flowing
Speaker 1: in the direction that I'm looking, which is away from
Speaker 1: Mons and towards France, where the trunk of the body
Speaker 1: of Carmelina Russo was found. So I'm standing in the
Speaker 1: place where the killer certainly always came to dispose of
Speaker 1: the larger body parts of the victims. Given where Carmelina
Speaker 1: Rousseau's torso is found down river, it's highly likely that
Speaker 1: it was dumped into the water here in Moss and
Speaker 1: that it flowed down river towards France. Water levels are
Speaker 1: higher in January compared to July when Martin Bone's torso
Speaker 1: got stuck in an eddy nearby, so it would make
Speaker 1: sense that the disposal of Carmelina's torso in January made
Speaker 1: its way further down the river like most of the
Speaker 1: other victims. Her head has still never been found to
Speaker 1: this day. It's horrifying to think that there are likely
Speaker 1: several body parts, including the heads, of victims, hidden somewhere
Speaker 1: here near to where I'm standing right now, or even worse,
Speaker 1: being kept as trophies by a twisted serial killer. There's
Speaker 1: something particular about Carmelina's remains that makes her case different
Speaker 1: from other victims. This is graphic material, so listener discretion
Speaker 1: is advised. The torsos and body parts of the three
Speaker 1: later victims were cut with relative precision. Cuts were made
Speaker 1: along key articulations, which would have minimized blood loss and contamination.
Speaker 1: In fact, police initially focused their suspect profile on someone
Speaker 1: with experience in domains like surgery or butchery. However, Carmelina
Speaker 1: Rousseau's torso was severed at the level of her navel.
Speaker 1: This would have created a gruesome mess for whoever carried
Speaker 1: it out. Amputating a torso at the navel would cause
Speaker 1: significant loss of bodily fluid and probable discharge of organs.
Speaker 1: None of the killer's subsequent victims were dismembered this way.
Speaker 1: Based on the date of her disappearance, we believe that
Speaker 1: Carmelina was the butcher of Moss's first known victim. It's
Speaker 1: probable that he learned from her abduction and murder and
Speaker 1: adjusted his method of dismemberment and disposal of future victims.
Speaker 1: I was able to speak with a renowned Belgian profiler,
Speaker 1: doctor Danielle Zuguer, who actually trained Roy Hazelwood, one of
Speaker 1: the FBI's pioneers in behavioral analysis. I asked you about
Speaker 1: the significance of a serial killer's first murder.
Speaker 9: So we can learn a lot with the first crime,
Speaker 9: because the first crime occurs often near a comfort zone,
Speaker 9: so you can define already an area where you could
Speaker 9: find a perpetrator. Of course, his modest operandi, which will
Speaker 9: change with the time, because he will make some progress
Speaker 9: each time he's committing a crime. He will learn from
Speaker 9: his errors, so he will make some progress too, so
Speaker 9: it gets more complicated to find him. This is why
Speaker 9: the first crime is so interesting and important for investigation.
Speaker 9: With the experience, you know, criminals are like us. With experience,
Speaker 9: we get better at what we do, so it's the
Speaker 9: same for them. This is why you know the coach
Speaker 9: can be perhaps a bit difficult for the first crime
Speaker 9: or the control of the victim or the acting out
Speaker 9: of the fantasy is not quite the way he would
Speaker 9: like it to be, and also the disposal of the body.
Speaker 9: He will get better with the other crimes. And the
Speaker 9: first crime also shows if you have a very organized
Speaker 9: offender or disorganized one. And it's important because it gives
Speaker 9: you clues about who he is, how he's functioning, where
Speaker 9: perhaps you can find him. And the more organized he is,
Speaker 9: the more distance is willing to go to find victim.
Speaker 9: There can be a trigger or not. When there is
Speaker 9: no trigger, it means that you know fantasy has become
Speaker 9: so loaded that it needs to come out. But there
Speaker 9: can be a trigger, and it can be a disappointment, frustration, anger, revert,
Speaker 9: all kinds of motives. Really, it's the first time where
Speaker 9: he's acting out his fantasy, so you can understand what
Speaker 9: is his fantasy. Of course you can understand it with
Speaker 9: the later crimes too, but sometimes make some mistakes. But yeah,
Speaker 9: first crimes are always very important because they give you
Speaker 9: the maximum of clues.
Speaker 1: Doctor Zuker's point about early mistakes is interesting. Indeed, we
Speaker 1: believe that Carmelina Rousso was his first victim, but was
Speaker 1: she his first attempt. It's relatively common for serial killers
Speaker 1: early efforts to be unsuccessful. A number of infamous monsters
Speaker 1: like Ted Bundy or David Berkowitz aka the Son of Sam,
Speaker 1: or Gary Ridgeway aka the Green River Killer, who failed
Speaker 1: at their first attempts. We believe that there are likely
Speaker 1: other women who may have had close calls with the
Speaker 1: Butcher of Moss, perhaps without even knowing how close they
Speaker 1: came to meeting similar fates as the other victims. As
Speaker 1: we attempt to narrow down a profile of the perpetrator,
Speaker 1: I spoke with the investigative journalist Frederick Law about what
Speaker 1: he thinks we can assume about the killer at this point.
Speaker 7: Based on what we know now, I think we can
Speaker 7: drew several assumptions about the killer. First of all, we
Speaker 7: think that he was living and operating in Monts. If
Speaker 7: you think about it, it made no sense kill someone
Speaker 7: outside the city and then dismember them, and then to
Speaker 7: drive into Monts and dumb them. A second assumption is
Speaker 7: that we firmly believe that he had a car, because
Speaker 7: if you visit the different sites where the bodies were found,
Speaker 7: you immediately understand that he needed a car. And then
Speaker 7: a third assumption is we believe finally that he must
Speaker 7: frequent the area around the railway station, and he probably
Speaker 7: knew all the victims. They had to know him a
Speaker 7: little bit at least. Remember the pack of cigarettes at
Speaker 7: Jacqueline's house. Her sister Georgette was firmly convinced that it
Speaker 7: belongs to the perpetrator. Also, Natalie was finally seen just
Speaker 7: in front of the train station, and if someone had
Speaker 7: taken her by force, it would have been noticed. If
Speaker 7: we look at all of these assumptions, it narrows the
Speaker 7: profile of the perpetrator.
Speaker 1: You recall from the last episode that we tracked down
Speaker 1: a woman who were calling Giselle. We confirm that she
Speaker 1: was contacted by police because her DNA was a possible
Speaker 1: match with an unknown DNA profile that was found at
Speaker 1: one of the dumb sites. The unknown profile was from
Speaker 1: a strand of hair found in one of the fifteen
Speaker 1: trash bags. Giselle told us that in nineteen ninety six
Speaker 1: she was living with a community of traveling people on
Speaker 1: the outskirts of Moss. Police took a DNA sample from
Speaker 1: her in twenty twenty three in an attempt to validate
Speaker 1: the match, but she never heard back from them. Our
Speaker 1: investigative team has been trying to find out if the
Speaker 1: testing was ever carried out and if so, what the
Speaker 1: result was. Unfortunately, the only information that we received is
Speaker 1: that the related case details are all confidential. Like Giselle,
Speaker 1: the suspect who was arrested and subsequently released, Leopold Bogart
Speaker 1: also hails from a family of traveling people. It's an
Speaker 1: interesting possible connection. But is it simply a coincidence or
Speaker 1: something more. I asked Giselle if she knew or had
Speaker 1: any connection to Leopold Bogart, but she said she knew
Speaker 1: nothing about him. We investigated further and learned that Leopold's
Speaker 1: traveling community was from a different part of the country
Speaker 1: than the community that Giselle was with in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1: They appeared to have nothing in common, but through another
Speaker 1: improbable coincidence, I learned that Giselle had once been represented
Speaker 1: by the same lawyer as Leopold Bogart for an entirely
Speaker 1: unrelated matter. As you heard at the top of the episode,
Speaker 1: I tracked down this attorney, named Celene Paris. Towards the
Speaker 1: end of that interview, I asked her about Giselle and Leopold.
Speaker 1: She was also surprised by this coincidence, but didn't remember
Speaker 1: representing Giselle as it was several years ago. She did
Speaker 1: say that she could look into it, but only at
Speaker 1: the request of Gisel, so I put the two of
Speaker 1: them in contact Madame de dit Mord. Selene and Giselle
Speaker 1: were able to connect the dots of their past relationship,
Speaker 1: and after Giselle explained the possible DNA match and lack
Speaker 1: of response by authorities, Selene expressed her willingness to check
Speaker 1: with the district attorney on her behalf. This may be
Speaker 1: the only way for us to break through the confidential
Speaker 1: wall regarding this aspect of the case.
Speaker 3: This affair is sowing panic in the region of Mons
Speaker 3: since the end of March until now fifteen trash bags
Speaker 3: containing body parts have been found in places that were
Speaker 3: maybe not chosen by chance based on their names.
Speaker 1: Five months into the investigation, authorities now knew that the
Speaker 1: Butcher of Moss had been an active serial killer for
Speaker 1: over a year, claiming four known victims. The citizens and
Speaker 1: the press only had their imaginations and a set of
Speaker 1: gruesome facts to guide them, and those facts were exceedingly grim,
Speaker 1: and news of the dumb site names only serve to
Speaker 1: reinforce the panic. The investigative journalist Frederic Lau recalls covering
Speaker 1: this aspect of the case.
Speaker 7: So because of those hevocative names of the places where
Speaker 7: the bodies the pieces were discovered, the investigators began to
Speaker 7: think that the killer was playing a kind of game.
Speaker 7: It almost felt like a treasure hunt. Names like the
Speaker 7: River of eight, the path of Rory Damp Road, the
Speaker 7: River of Fear. I'm in French, Rudy Bassa, I'm not
Speaker 7: sure of the translation, and public discovered this and it
Speaker 7: created more fear in the public.
Speaker 1: The translation of Rude Bassa is Pelvis Road. Indeed, the
Speaker 1: names of the dumb sites really felt like more than
Speaker 1: a coincidence, and journalists and psychologists scrambled to establish a
Speaker 1: profile of the butcher of mass.
Speaker 3: The serial killer of Mons is a dangerous psychopath, completely
Speaker 3: exceptional case in the annals of criminality. Until now, there
Speaker 3: have been no examples of serial killers in Western Europe
Speaker 3: who dismember their victims. The reference comes from the United States.
Speaker 3: Analysts are reduced to theoretical assumptions to determine the psychological
Speaker 3: profile of the killer.
Speaker 5: We can consider that the profile is someone intelligent, maybe
Speaker 5: also someone provocative, who seeks to create sensation because his
Speaker 5: techniques are rather extraordinary and exceptional. May be also someone
Speaker 5: influenced by all that comes from America and the latest
Speaker 5: films that we've seen in movie theaters.
Speaker 3: Gipsy psychopaths are generally very sensitive to their image in
Speaker 3: the media, which could explain the macabre treasure hunt he's
Speaker 3: imposing on investigators by disposing of the sacks in various locations.
Speaker 5: He must have a developed sense of narcissism, someone who
Speaker 5: likes to watch himself and hear about himself on the
Speaker 5: radio and television, knowing that he has him impotence in
Speaker 5: the media, he's developing his image and feeding his narcissism.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey Dahmer made headlines after being
Speaker 1: arrested and accused of killing and dismembering at least seventeen victims.
Speaker 1: Decades before Dahmer, other US serial killers, like the Torso Killer,
Speaker 1: dismembered their victims as well. Right around the same time,
Speaker 1: The Butcher of Moss began as Murdersprey, the American movie
Speaker 1: seven was released in theaters in Europe, starring Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: and Morgan Freeman, who worked together to track down a
Speaker 1: serial killer orchestrating a string of gruesome crimes that left
Speaker 1: behind symbolic clues. Western European media thought that the influence
Speaker 1: of real and fictional American serial killers might be influencing
Speaker 1: the Butcher of Moss. As the spring of nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: seven gave way to summer, the gruesome discoveries stopped. Police
Speaker 1: were furiously investigating the case, but since the arrest and
Speaker 1: release of Leopold Bogart, there weren't any strong persons of
Speaker 1: interest on the radar. People began to assume that the
Speaker 1: killer had either decided to stop or was spooked away
Speaker 1: from Moss. Nightlife around the train station came to a
Speaker 1: virtual standstill, and police increased patrols throughout the city to
Speaker 1: strike again, with the city on Hiler would have been Madness.
Speaker 3: Janan, a thirty eight year old woman, disappeared two weeks
Speaker 3: ago in Mont's. Investigators are exploring a link with the
Speaker 3: Butcher of Mon's case in so far as the missing
Speaker 3: woman has a similar profile as other victims of the
Speaker 3: serial killer.
Speaker 10: The scene was completely out of the ordinary and we
Speaker 10: had to move quickly and try to determine who was
Speaker 10: in the trash bags.
Speaker 11: List are now confirming that the body, cut into pieces
Speaker 11: and stopped into two plastic garbage bags found in this
Speaker 11: slot near the Brooklyn Navy Yard last month is indeed
Speaker 11: that of sixty one year old Mary Beale.
Speaker 10: Over the years, we continued to work on the case
Speaker 10: and interviewed over one thousand people.
Speaker 1: Los America, and then.
Speaker 10: At one point we were contacted by the Americans.
Speaker 12: The fact that he was in Belgium around the time
Speaker 12: of the Monds murders, which remained unsolved but bore many
Speaker 12: of the same macabre hallmarks, left many to suspect that
Speaker 12: he may have been involved in those as well.
Speaker 1: That's next time on the Monstre. The Monstre is a
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Speaker 1: Original music by Jay Ragsdale, Sound design and master by
Speaker 1: Cooper Skinner. Cover design by Brian McCoy and Trevor Eiler.
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Speaker 1: thanks to Orrin Rosenbaum and the team at UTA, the
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