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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursdays. This should a Big Blue Kickoff live

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Speaker 1: He has pulled the tino. I'm Lance Meadow as We're

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Speaker 1: with you for the next sixty minutes. A lot to

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Speaker 1: nine zero four six four for more details. So Pat Shermer,

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Speaker 1: James Betcher, Mike Schula all addressed the media earlier today.

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Speaker 1: We'll recap what they had to say, and we'll also

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Speaker 1: get into some locker room reaction. But right off the top,

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Speaker 1: the injury report came out because the Giants practiced earlier today,

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Speaker 1: so not practicing again for the second straight day. Sat Kwan, Barkley,

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Speaker 1: Tay Davis, alec Ogiltree, Olson Pierre, and Russell Shepard. So

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Speaker 1: none of those players statuses have changed. Going back a

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Speaker 1: day ago. Limited was Benny Fowler and a full practice

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Speaker 1: for Lorenzo Carter and Cody Adamer. So both of those

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Speaker 1: players heading in the right direction. And when Pat Shermer

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Speaker 1: addressed the media earlier today, he did mention Paul that

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Speaker 1: Sa Kwan Barkley will not be going on injured reserve,

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Speaker 1: so that impeat that positive news, will not. Yes, was

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Speaker 1: want to emphasize that will not won't is also acceptable,

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Speaker 1: It is okay any other terminology that. Well, the point

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Speaker 1: is for those of for those of you who haven't

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Speaker 1: digested that yet, if you put a guy on injured reserve,

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Speaker 1: he can't practice for six weeks, then you get the

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Speaker 1: two week grace period, so he can't return for eight

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Speaker 1: and then it's eight weeks before he actually gets on

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Speaker 1: the field. Now, Coach Shermer said there will be no

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Speaker 1: procedure or surgery involved, strictly aggressive rehab, and the fact

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Speaker 1: probably means that they are optimistic he will be back

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Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that they're optimistic, because why

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Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. Just want to let Dave

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Speaker 1: just letting you know. Okay, there you go. We wear

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Speaker 1: all kinds of If there anything else that we can do,

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Speaker 1: I'm breaking down the wall, the third wall. I'm breaking

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Speaker 1: even need snack food. I just want to make sure

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Speaker 1: dominic producer, everybody, one of our producers. There we go.

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Speaker 1: You know, good man, love is spread across the board here,

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Speaker 1: just trying to lighten the mood and have a good time.

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Speaker 1: I am all for too much stress around here. That's

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Speaker 1: why I want to prioritize your needs. And until your

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Speaker 1: needs are met, there's no point of discussing anything, giants.

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Speaker 1: Unless you're a doctor, you can't help. Well. Yes, there's

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Speaker 1: only so many things that I can appease you with

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Speaker 1: I have no issue with that. That's why we want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that you're all set, because we want

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Speaker 1: your focus to be on the listeners, the viewers, and

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Speaker 1: the far way. The Eagles are playing tonight. They are

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Speaker 1: playing correct Green Bay Packers Thursday Night Football, and they

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Speaker 1: you know entering Sunday's game against the Redskins, another NFC

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Speaker 1: that's why they do Indeed, so we went over the

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Speaker 1: injury report and it's crystal clear sat Kwon Barkley's not

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Speaker 1: somebody on I R not sa Kwan Barkley. Of course

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Speaker 1: so it really depends on how much progress he makes.

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Speaker 1: But the Giants clearly you're going to protect themselves in

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Speaker 1: But because of the injuries, all of a sudden boom,

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's not make any mistake about it. He

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Speaker 1: Said a lot of things about what he did when

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Speaker 1: Should also tell you just talked to Ogletree before I

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Speaker 1: And no doubt. Let's look at what the Giants have

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Speaker 1: Granted they've implemented new plays, but they know the core

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Speaker 1: Pierre Sorene has not practiced this week. He has been

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Speaker 1: he played about seven percent of the place. It was very,

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Speaker 1: after they finalized the fifty three man roster. And we've

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Speaker 1: part of that was because Pulley was a late arrival.

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Speaker 1: think Skipper is in somewhat familiar territory. However, now he's

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Speaker 1: so if Peter is not ready to go, it would

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Speaker 1: had the two safeties over the top and you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, the corners they covered, Like I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he don't trust that that they can't cover

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Speaker 1: up for that long. But I think he should give

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Speaker 1: it a shot. I mean, he's getting because Jenkins got

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Speaker 1: eight up and he didn't really help him the second

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Speaker 1: half except for the safety over the top on that

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Speaker 1: possessions that I saw. The Giants need two things to

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Speaker 1: happen on defense, and and one is Geners. Jenkins has

435
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Speaker 1: to get out of a slump because right now that's

436
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Speaker 1: what he's in. Uh, he's just not playing up to

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Speaker 1: his capabilities. And obviously he's a big part of what

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Speaker 1: they want to do because they'd like to leave him

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Speaker 1: in one on one coverage. So that's the first thing

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Speaker 1: that they really would like to see. Let's see if

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Speaker 1: Jenkins can snap out of it. Number two, they want

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Speaker 1: to see the increased pass rush, which over the last

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Speaker 1: two games has begun to look better and better and better.

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Speaker 1: And Marcus Golden, I said this today on w f

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Speaker 1: A N Marcus Golden is starting to look like that

446
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Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen Marcus Golden. All of a sudden, he

447
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: looked really sharp in Tampa Bay with those two sacks,

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Speaker 1: right right, you know, so he's definitely something. But I'm

449
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Speaker 1: just saying as far as like this far, but don't

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Speaker 1: you think so like the second half you would have

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Speaker 1: gave Jenkin's help. I mean, like, you know, it's one

452
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Speaker 1: thing to believe in somebody what they can do, but

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Speaker 1: it's another thing when they're not doing it. Like you know, Jenkins,

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Speaker 1: you know, he had a bad day at the office.

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Speaker 1: Everybody does, right, And I don't think he's like finished

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Speaker 1: and washed up anything, But I just think, you know,

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Speaker 1: like some of the excuse me, corners, he needs to

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Speaker 1: give them a little bit help. And why is it

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Speaker 1: just in Love? They uh uh, well, Julian Love was

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Speaker 1: a healthy scratch, so he was inactive. He couldn't have played.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm sure your next question is gonna be

462
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Speaker 1: Corey Balantine. James Betcher was asked about Balantine and said

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Speaker 1: that he'd ever discussed his playing time publicly. He'll let

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Speaker 1: it reveal itself. But I think what we've said on

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Speaker 1: this program multiple times, would you have to understand, Travis,

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Speaker 1: is they're evaluating these young guys at practice every day.

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Speaker 1: If they don't see things in practice, then they're not

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Speaker 1: going to activate them or they're not going to give

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Speaker 1: them additional playing time. You can't judge based on what

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Speaker 1: you saw in the preseason and a flash ear there

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Speaker 1: that's not necessarily indicative of what they asked them to

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Speaker 1: do in the regular season. So they're gonna go and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna put the best guys on the field in

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Speaker 1: the regular season. If guys are not playing in the

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Speaker 1: regular season, then that usually is an indication they're not

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Speaker 1: seeing the consistency yet in practice. And I understand that

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Speaker 1: because you're making that point. Allude to the point that

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Speaker 1: you guys are just making it, and that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: said that that's what it is, is like, you know,

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Speaker 1: in practice they're not doing it, but in preseason not

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Speaker 1: as I've seen. Actually, you know, going into Week one,

482
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Speaker 1: like like I hope he was gonna see more love

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00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: and and and and and balacee um some some rep.

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Speaker 1: I mean in preseason rut, you guys, was was was

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Speaker 1: was confident and the way they played it, I mean

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Speaker 1: did they did they show anything that maybe we didn't

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Speaker 1: see A lot I didn't see that caused for them

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Speaker 1: not to getting out like one rep. Well, Balantine was

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Speaker 1: productive in the preseason. He had an interception, he showed

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Speaker 1: some flashes. Remember he also was away from the team,

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Speaker 1: so he's playing a bit of catch up. But you know,

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Speaker 1: remember some of these decisions also, Paul, are made based

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Speaker 1: on special teams usage. And you know that's another reason

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Speaker 1: why they may dress only a specific corner and a

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Speaker 1: specific safety depending on who they have faith is going

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Speaker 1: to contribute on special teams. So you have to take

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Speaker 1: that into consideration as well, Travis, and and listen, we'll

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Speaker 1: let you go on that note. Appreciate the phone call.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for weighing in. As far as the

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Speaker 1: defense overall is concerned, they given up ninety four points,

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Speaker 1: Paul in three games. You don't need to be a

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Speaker 1: brain surgeon to realize that that side of the ball

503
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Speaker 1: needs to improve. And they need to come out stronger

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Speaker 1: in the beginning of the game, because the theme is

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Speaker 1: get a feel for the opposition, play better in the

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Speaker 1: second half, and then regroup. Well, there's got to be

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Speaker 1: that game where you get a great feel for the

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Speaker 1: opposition right out of the gates, and then you're not

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Speaker 1: having to worry about regrouping in the second half. That's

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Speaker 1: what did James Betcher tell us today. If it was

511
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Speaker 1: so easy to just take a pill to fix that,

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Speaker 1: he would show it to us. Yeah. You know, Jabrill

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Speaker 1: Peppers was just talking in the locker room before and

514
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Speaker 1: he said, you know, he doesn't know exactly why, but

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Speaker 1: he does believe that in the second half of the

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Speaker 1: past two games, the defense has gotten after it more.

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Speaker 1: And when he was asked, well, what is that about?

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Speaker 1: Is it about attitude or is it about execution? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what exactly are you talking about? That? You guys were

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Speaker 1: more into it, so to speak. And he couldn't describe,

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Speaker 1: but he said, you know, no, guys are hepped up

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of a game. They're excited, they want

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Speaker 1: to play. Everybody seems to be really rare to go.

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Speaker 1: But yet somehow, some way, guys are not on point.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he himself said, especially with a young

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Speaker 1: quarterback back there now on offense, they cannot afford to

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Speaker 1: put him in a hole and continue to play from

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Speaker 1: behind like they are. That is not a good recipe. Lands,

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Speaker 1: I would say for any quarterback, it's not a good recipe.

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Speaker 1: But if you want to take it further degree with

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Speaker 1: the young quarterback who doesn't have much experience, that's a

532
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Speaker 1: fair point. But I mean, you never want to put

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Speaker 1: your offense in a deep hole to have to play

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Speaker 1: catch up, because that's essentially what the Giants have had

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Speaker 1: to do every single week those far, and it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be a recipe for victory if that is the

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Speaker 1: script that they plan to follow. Let's head back to

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Speaker 1: the lines here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Scott is

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Speaker 1: in New Mexico. Scott, welcome aboard. What he got. I

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Speaker 1: have a question to ask both of you. I've sort

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Speaker 1: of touched on it so that I've heard a lot

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Speaker 1: of comments as the calls have come in this week

543
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Speaker 1: about the human emotion aspect of the game and how

544
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: you really can't take that out. And one of the

545
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: things about Daniel Jones is kind of interesting is I

546
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: heard that his performance on Sunday hadn't been equaled since

547
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the Super Bowl here and now we're

548
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Speaker 1: talking about the Super Bowl begin in sixty so we're

549
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: looking at over fifty years, and no quarterback had the

550
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: performance that he had technically in the second start, but

551
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Speaker 1: basically his first real start, and that's pretty amazing when

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Speaker 1: you think about it. And I had asked you, guys,

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Speaker 1: I think on separate occasions. I think I was on

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Speaker 1: Monday with you Lance, and I talked about whether it

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Speaker 1: can inspire people to play better, was specifically talking about

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Speaker 1: the defense, and I think I talked to you Paul

557
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: about whether they can beat Minnesota, etcetera, etcetera. And my

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Speaker 1: question to you both is, say the game takes place

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Speaker 1: on Sunday and uh Dan Jones replicates his performance in

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Speaker 1: one way or another. Would your personal analysis change if

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Speaker 1: that if the defense starts to play better, or would

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00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: you attribute it to something else, or that the offensive

563
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: line suddenly picks up and doesn't allow any sacks or whatever,

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Speaker 1: Because I think inspiration is a part of football and

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Speaker 1: if you take that out, why bother playing the game.

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Speaker 1: So I was just curious if either of your analysis

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Speaker 1: would change after a second game. If if the end

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Speaker 1: result is that we beat Washington and that Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: has another stellar performance, it was just curious what your

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Speaker 1: personal reactions would be to that. Well, if Daniel Jones

571
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Speaker 1: has another strong performance, I don't really think it's a

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Speaker 1: reflection of what's going on with the remainder of the team.

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Speaker 1: I think it's him being well prepared to handle the circumstances,

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Speaker 1: being able to execute with his teammates. From an offensive

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Speaker 1: standpoint against Washington, I disagree. I don't think the defense

576
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Speaker 1: is now playing harder or more motivated because of the

577
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Speaker 1: quarterback change. I think that they were just as motivated

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Speaker 1: to go out and play hard free line manning as

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Speaker 1: they were Daniel Jones, and I get why I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. My point was that you had mentioned or

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Speaker 1: had made a comment that he might go to Dutch

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Speaker 1: Lawrence and tell him to play better, and that was

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Speaker 1: not That was misconstrued, I hope on your part in

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Speaker 1: regards to what I was trying to bring out. I

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Speaker 1: don't think and I agree with you, that the defense

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Speaker 1: has to play through their merits. But throughout NFL history,

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Speaker 1: there have been singular players that have inspired teams to

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Speaker 1: play better, and that's really Lawrence Taylor. And again, I

589
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: was just curious about this game coming up because it's

590
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: so crucial as if they're going to make a playoff run,

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00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: they really need to be Washington. So I was just

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Speaker 1: curious from that vantage point. Uh, if if that's an

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Speaker 1: accurate statement, and can a player inspire a team to

594
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Speaker 1: really play better? Well, I mean, how many guys you

595
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: said in NFL history that I could point to that

596
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: you have factual evidence to la? But Lawrence Taylor was

597
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: hell of a football player. Well that's why. But but

598
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: but he also had a lot of talent around him.

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna tell me that You're gonna tell me

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Speaker 1: that Carl Banks only played hard because Lawrence Taylor was

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Speaker 1: on the field. That's what's gonna tell No, no no, no, no,

602
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Speaker 1: no no. What I'm telling you is and I know

603
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Speaker 1: this because Bill Parcels and I have had lengthy discussions

604
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Speaker 1: about it. He said that Lawrence Taylor could will the

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Speaker 1: team to do better because he was an inspirational player

606
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Speaker 1: just by his his actions, his excitement, his enthusiasm, his

607
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: big play capability, the intensity by which he played. Bill

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Speaker 1: said that Lawrence Taylor inspired him every every week when

609
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Speaker 1: he was on the field. Well, and I go look

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Speaker 1: at the game against the Saints, the primetime game, the

611
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: greatest game that that Lawrence Taylor ever played, because he

612
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Speaker 1: was scotch taped together and they stapled them and scotch

613
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: taped them and paper clipped them and he destroyed them

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Speaker 1: with one hand. That that was inspiration. So, Scott, I

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Speaker 1: gotta disagree with you a dent because Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 1: nowhere near Lawrence Taylor. Lawrence Tell is the only player

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen who I would put in the category

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Speaker 1: that you're trying to put that I'm not putting. I

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Speaker 1: don't think what was doing with Daniel Jones. And I

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00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: was just talking about singular players. Singular player who inspired

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Speaker 1: his team, Lawrence Taylor. The buck stops there. I've never

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Speaker 1: seen another player do that. Yeah, and I think that

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Speaker 1: once again, and appreciate the phone call, Scott. As far

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Speaker 1: as this storyline, and you know, I know it was

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00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: brought up on Monday Show. I believe. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you have received phone calls on Tuesday Show about it,

627
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: but this idea that by making the change a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: now the defense has more of a reason to play harder. No, No,

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Speaker 1: the only thing I gonna say that that's been brought up,

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Speaker 1: that's it's an absurd of course it's now again do

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Speaker 1: brill Peppers admitted in the locker room, you know, you

632
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: can't put a rookie quarterback in a position to have

633
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Speaker 1: to come from behind all the time. It's an awareness

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00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: of the struggles that a young QB will have in

635
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Speaker 1: a comeback mode. As you said, any quarterback is going

636
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Speaker 1: to have in a comeback mode. It's simply in a awareness.

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00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: In my opinion, preppers Is comment isn't directed to something

638
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: that Scott's thinking of. It's more directed at hey, the

639
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: defense needs to do it share. That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: And that's also common sense XS and ohs game flow.

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00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you never want to put your offense in

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00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: an early hole, uh in a game, no matter what

643
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: time of the season it is, and so forth. It's

644
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: just once again, this defense had opportunities to make plays

645
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: in the first two weeks of the season and didn't

646
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: come through. And there's a lot of young guys on

647
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: the field who are going through growing pains, and those

648
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: growing pains are going to continue. Whether it's Eli Manning

649
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: under center, whether it's Daniel Jones under center. That doesn't

650
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: change no matter what's going on on the opensive side

651
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: of the ball. And I think we've got to separate

652
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: those two. And that doesn't mean that the team, you know,

653
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: doesn't see the message that a new quarterbacks in And

654
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, if somebody could lose their job, then changes

655
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: can occur across the board. I think that's a fair assessment.

656
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: Let's make this simple. They started off a very disappointing

657
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: Owen two and did not look good heading there. Every

658
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: single one of these players has a reason to look

659
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: in the mirror and do better. They don't need to

660
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: be saying, oh, let's see who's the starting quarterback today,

661
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: we have to do better for him. That's absurd. They

662
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: have enough of reasons, of course, to try to get

663
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: out of this hole. No job also has guaranteed in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League. So if you continue to struggle,

665
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: who's to say that you're going to remain with the

666
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Giants for the remainder of the season. That to me

667
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: is motivation enough. Let's head back to the phone lines,

668
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: and a reminder before we do that, that Big Blue

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Speaker 1: zero four six four for more details. Denny is in Courtland,

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Speaker 1: New York. Denny, Well, The Big Blue Kickoff Live. What

674
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: do you got for us? Hey, guys doing today? Okay,

675
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: so listen, I have it's sort of semi interesting perspective

676
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: on the game. I was away Sunday. I live in

677
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: Central New York. I was in North Carolina for a wedding.

678
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: I tried my best not to see anything related to

679
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: the football or the game so I could come home

680
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: Monday night and watch it. Okay. Unfortunately, my cousin, who

681
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: I expected a ruin for me as a freaking Cowboys fan,

682
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: did Daniel Don't won the game for it? Okay? Great.

683
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: So the next that morning, I'm out for breakfast and

684
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: I see on CNN Daniel Jones leaves the comeback and

685
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: the whole day I said, okay, I tried not to

686
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: watch too much, so I get home. I watched the game,

687
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: and going through it, I see the comeback drive or

688
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: he leaves the team down the field, and this relates

689
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: exactly to what Scott called in about Monday. I see them,

690
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: we lead the team down the field. Now, never once

691
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: did I see anything about a miss text missed field

692
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: goal at the end. So I'm thinking, all right, great,

693
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is great. But the real story here's the

694
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: defense made a stop when we needed it. So I

695
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: watched that drive two plays there down the field on

696
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: the twelve yard line or whatever the heck they were,

697
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, are they gonna shank a thirty yard

698
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: field goal? And of course that's what happened. So my

699
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: point related to oh, if they played better for the

700
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: the new quarterback is if there was ever a time

701
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna kick somebody's butt and shut some and down

702
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: for being excited, was after Daniel Jones right up the middle,

703
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: and we didn't stop anybody after that down the field. Well,

704
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, thank goodness for the Giants that

705
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas made a one on one solo tackle on

706
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: the previous drive to force the Buccaneers to plunt the

707
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: football and that allowed Daniel Jones the chance to execute

708
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: eight game winning drive. Well, I would also and thank

709
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: Bruce arians for taking a delay of game penalty too,

710
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: because I think that was a big contributor. Yeah, absolutely,

711
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: So my quick question related to that is, and again

712
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the defense didn't play better. You could

713
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: see that throughout the game. But isn't a little bit

714
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: of that a team is ahead by eight teen points,

715
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: so they're really just trying to keep their lead. I

716
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: mean that happens to us all the time when we

717
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: have a lead, We get a lead, and then we

718
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: kind of go into conservative mode and we don't score

719
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: anymore points. So I'd like to say the defense shut

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00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: him down, but it sort of seemed like Tampa Bay

721
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: was kind of well to hang on to their lead

722
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: a little bit as well. Well, you know, here's the

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00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: thing that surprised me. And I just said this on

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Speaker 1: the fan earlier, and I don't want to get too

725
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: deep into it because it will take forever, but on

726
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: the game winning drive, you know, Todd Bowles is supposed

727
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: to be a very aggressive defensive coordinator who sends the

728
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: kitchen sake at people, and and I would, and what

729
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: happened on the game winning drive. He did not send

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00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: a single solitary blitz at Daniel Jones on the game

731
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Speaker 1: winning drive. Now, I have to be perfectly frank with you,

732
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: if I was the defensive coordinator. I would have tried

733
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Speaker 1: to mess up that quarterback either with right either with

734
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: a pre snap the skies, or just send the kitchen

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Speaker 1: sake and go for zero blitz because in that spot

736
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Speaker 1: you want to rattle the kid. You figure it's his

737
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: first ever start, the pressure is on, he's trying to

738
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: win the game with one final possession. I'm gonna go

739
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: after that guy. I'm gonna force the issue. For some reason,

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00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles only went with a four man rush on

741
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: that entire drive, did not blitz at all, and then

742
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: to compound the error, he made the Cardinals sin of

743
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: all time. The Giants have a fourth and five at

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Speaker 1: the seven, and not only does he send four even

745
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: though the four man rush did not get home once

746
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Speaker 1: on the final drive, because, by the way, besides Nate Soldier,

747
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: who had a tough day against Shaquille Barry, okay, the

748
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: rest of the offensive line played extremely well in pass protection.

749
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Speaker 1: So not only did he not get a rush, he's

750
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Speaker 1: playing man defense and he's got his single high free

751
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: safety going over to double Evan Ingram. That meant there

752
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: was a gaping hole the size of the Grand Canyon

753
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: up the middle. Let me tell you something like, without Dexter,

754
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: Lawrence could have crawled through that hole. That's how big

755
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: that hole was. I thought that, in my opinion, Todd

756
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: Bowles made some horrific mistake in terms of his scheme

757
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: on the final game winning drive. And you know, look,

758
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: I'm older. I don't know how old you are. I'm

759
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: old enough to remember John Elway calling quarterback draws out

760
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: of shotguns because teams couldn't get the pass rush. They're

761
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,959
Speaker 1: playing man, and all of a sudden he waltzes into

762
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: the end zone. He must have done that two dozen

763
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: times during his career. I've seen it time and time again.

764
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Speaker 1: The last defense you want to call is the one

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00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: that Todd Bowles called on fourth and five from the seven.

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Speaker 1: So you know, but here's the only thing I said

767
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: about on the on the station today. Maybe maybe Daniel

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00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: Jones showed him so much in the first three and

769
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Speaker 1: half quarters that he was scared of him. It's maybe

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Speaker 1: he maybe Daniel Jones earned so much respect from Todd

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00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: Bowles that he decided, you know what, I'm not gonna

772
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Speaker 1: blitz the kid because I can't rattle him. Maybe, and

773
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Speaker 1: I'm again, I'm really fighting myself on this Is it

774
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: because Todd Bowles was asleep at the switcher because Daniel

775
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: Jones just move him away and he didn't know how

776
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: to deal with them. I'm not sure. Well, they were

777
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: clearly concerned about Evan Ingram, but remember Daniel Jones targeted

778
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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram twice on the previous two plays and they

779
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: forced incompletions he did, so I was kind of surprised,

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00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: as you just laid out, that he then would force

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00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: the double team in that area and not be concerned

782
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: about some aspect of Daniel Jones running or at least

783
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. That was I think a

784
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: little bit surprising. Do the circumstances in previous plays. Yeah,

785
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: all right, Denny, appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much

786
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: for weighing in. You got it all right, Let's head

787
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: back to the lines. We've got Louis hit Syracuse. Lewis,

788
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: what do you have for us here? A big blue

789
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: kick off? Five? Hey, guys, appreciate you taking my phone

790
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: call the show, Thanks for making him. Going to my

791
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: first game this weekend. I'm extremely excited. I have a

792
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: good time Big dex Sea, Dexter Lawrence and Wayne Goldman, who,

793
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: although I would have loved to see Kwon. Wayne Goldman

794
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: runs with a great mix of power and elusiveness. I

795
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: got to see him a lot of Compson, so I'm

796
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: excited to watch him play player. He's got some skills

797
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: and I know he is chopping at the bid for

798
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: this opportunity. Uh. It's been three years now that Wayne

799
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: Goldman has been with the Giants, and for one reason

800
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: or another, you know, he's never really gotten the ability

801
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: to say it's my ball. Well he's got its Sunday, Yeah,

802
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: because he's split time before Sa Kwon Barkley came along,

803
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: then Berkeley comes along. So yeah, this is now a

804
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: great opportunity for him to prove that he could carry

805
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: the load and you know, not give a reason to

806
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: the Giants to go out and get another back, to

807
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: perhaps create some type of sharing situation. So now he

808
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: seems very hungry. And I found it very interesting, Paul

809
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: when he was in the locker room yesterday and the

810
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: reporters were peppering him with question after question. Goldman is

811
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Speaker 1: not a talker. Goldman basically his philosophy has just give

812
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: me the football and then I'll quiet this game. Yeah,

813
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: he's a show me guy. He's not. I'm gonna lay

814
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: out everything that I plan on showing you. So I

815
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: think he's got that quiet determination to him. Yeah. Absolutely,

816
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: very excited to him. Play. Um. One quick question then

817
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: I'll take my answer off the air. Um. In regards

818
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: to Genor Jenkins, do you think him having to step

819
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: up as a leader and kind of mentor of the

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00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: younger guy has affected his quality of play and kind

821
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: of vice versa? Do you think that his quality of

822
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: play affects what the younger guys may like see his

823
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: mentorship and leadership. Well, let you go on that. Appreciate

824
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: the phone call. I mean, I don't think his production

825
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: has dip because he's got to worry about mentoring the

826
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Speaker 1: guys throughout preseason and training camp. I mean, he was

827
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: constantly on the sidelines talking those guys up. But I

828
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: mean there are plenty of guys that do that on

829
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Speaker 1: the offensive side of the well. Plus, I mean Eli

830
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: had been mentoring Daniel Jones all this time, So I

831
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Speaker 1: don't think that's anything different than some of these other

832
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: veteran players Paul have been put in a position to do. Yeah,

833
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: I would agree with you, Land, So getting back to

834
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Speaker 1: Goldman just for those of you who may not have

835
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: really understood what he brought to the table when he

836
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Speaker 1: came out of Clemson. His last two years he ran

837
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Speaker 1: for to george An eleven yards, thirteen touchdowns and then

838
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: seventeen touchdowns. This was a guy who was extremely productive

839
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Speaker 1: at a very high level program. You know, when the

840
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: Giants got him, they firmly believed that he could be

841
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: a productive, if not rotational, maybe even better than that

842
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: as a running back. So you know, the one problem

843
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: that he has had on occasion is some slippery thinking.

844
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Speaker 1: Three fumbles in two thousands seventeen his rookie year, he

845
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: lost one. He didn't lose all three, but he lost

846
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: control of the football so harder than what you would think,

847
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: because he's got a real good um balance. He's got

848
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: a good balance. Uh he runs with a lot of might.

849
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Speaker 1: And even though he doesn't look stocky, he doesn't look

850
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: very powerful, he runs with more might than he shows.

851
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: And uh, I know that you know, they're very hopeful

852
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: that you know he can he can do what he

853
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: needs to do well. Remember, I bring this game up

854
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: all the time. I'll bring it up again because because

855
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: I think it's relevant to the conversation. Asked her at

856
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: Philadelphia the game where the Giants blew that massive lead pole.

857
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: Remember Barkley, remember the game series. I appreciate it, just

858
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: providing the facts and the whole controversy in that game

859
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: was the amount of touches that Barkley got. Why wasn't

860
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: in the game. And if you go back the two

861
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: series that Goldman was in there, Goldman actually ran the

862
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: ball effectively, and I'm not talking about he had a

863
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: one yard run. We're talking about nice junkage on the ground.

864
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: And then unfortunately, the Giants gave up a sack and

865
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: had penalties and that backed them up. So that just

866
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: goes to show you they were more than confident at

867
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: giving sake Kwan Barkley breathers last season, putting Coleman in

868
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: and feeling as if the running game could still be productive.

869
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: And remember that was also behind the old offensive line

870
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: from last year. So when you look at that and

871
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: you look at the decision making that the coaching staff

872
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: has made, they believe that Goldman can be thrown into

873
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: a situation where he can handle a bulk of the

874
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: carries and be productive. But it's a matter of him

875
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: now taking advantage of this opportunity. Let's head back to

876
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: the phone lines. Antonio is in Manhattan. What's happening in Antonio? Hey,

877
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: what's going on? How you guys doing today? I just

878
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about little two things. First, and once

879
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: said about General's Jenkins. I am sick and tired of

880
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: the fans getting on General's Jenkins and saying that he's

881
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, he's washed up, for his ability has diminished. Guys.

882
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: I buy every single Giants fans to get NFL game

883
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: pass and look at the coaches film. He's not getting

884
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: help over the top. You're asking Jenkins to cover top

885
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: five wide receiver Mike Evans, who's been doing nothing the

886
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: whole season, and now you're asking him to go one

887
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: on one Jenkins is I would say, right now, Jenkins

888
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: is the top twenty corner in the league and asking

889
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: him to make every single play is one thing. But

890
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: then expecting him to cover Mike Evans on the slot

891
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: just by himself, I think it's ridiculous. And I think

892
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: it's more Thatcher fixed it at the second half. He

893
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: called a lot more different type of place. He called

894
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: Cover three, called Cover two. He switched it up so much.

895
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: And it also not only helped um Jenkins, but it

896
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: also confused more Winston and I think that's what happened

897
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: in the second half. It wasn't a played better, it

898
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: was better made better. Cause that's what I think happened

899
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: in the second half. What did you guys think about that? Look,

900
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: Genorris Jenkins, I think during the time of the of

901
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: his career in the NFL, he has been I think,

902
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, probably a top ten, top

903
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: twelve cover corner. Yes, okay, he is an upper echelon

904
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: cover corner. He's not a Pro Bowl player, but he's

905
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: a notch blow Okay, but he's not there no more now.

906
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: Now there's no doubt he is in a slump right now.

907
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: He would be the first one to tell you that

908
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: if he was sitting here at the table, there are

909
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: plays he'd like to have back this year. So so

910
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: the question becomes when you've been in the league as

911
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: long as Genorri's has been. Remember he had a full

912
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: contract with the Rams before the Giants brought him in,

913
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: so he's not He's not a spring chicken. The question

914
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: always becomes as a guy enters this stage of his

915
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: NFL career, when he has a slump. Is it just

916
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: as slump is it's something he can work out of

917
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: and get back to the level that we're accustomed to watching.

918
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: Or is this the start of a slide. It's always

919
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: going to be a question that's asked of a veteran

920
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: in this situation, so it's a fair question to ask.

921
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: But to be truthful with you, I don't think three

922
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: games is enough for us to tell because there's been

923
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: so many other issues with the Giants defense to identify

924
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: exactly what's going on with Jenkins. Hopefully, for their sake,

925
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: the defense will improve and jenkins Is play will improve

926
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: with it. I'm not I I agree with you in

927
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: regards to don't fingerpoint at Jenkins because it's it's really

928
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: there's not enough clear and obvious evidence in to say

929
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: what's going on with him right now. I mean just tape.

930
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: I just think that that is putting eight men in

931
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: the box with that safety bound that's his defense. But

932
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: I just want to see him just trust seven men

933
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: on the box, has it too safety for the most part,

934
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: and see what happens then not to wait to the

935
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: second half to do that. And but the Jenkins of

936
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: some years past, and he's put a lot of tape,

937
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, on the table here that says he can

938
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: take a guy one on one. He can't. So you

939
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: can't blame you can't blame that you for saying, Okay,

940
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: you know, Jack Rabbit, I know you got this guy.

941
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: I know you've been doing it for years. Go ahead.

942
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: You know in some regards you're seeing it in the

943
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: opposite here because you know you're you're complaining that Jack

944
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: rabbits getting him one on one. But the truth is,

945
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: if you talk to Jack Rabbit, he would tell you

946
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: I can handle that. That's my guy, give me one

947
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: on one. And and so you know you can't have

948
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: it both ways. Satis like when the top receiver goes

949
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: into the slot right away, you gotta know, hey, listen,

950
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: if Evans going into the slot, that's no longer there's

951
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: no longer a good match for you there. You have

952
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: to understands her and things like that. That's what I

953
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: thought about that. I just want to say one quick

954
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: point about Daniel Jones. I was a not I was

955
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: not a fact. And I'm still for the most on

956
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: defense when it comes to Daniel Jones and picking Daniel

957
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: Jones and the one thing that fans are saying about

958
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is that he doesn't have awareness in the pocket.

959
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: My thing is that's great, honestly, because what's the problem

960
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: with most working quarterbacks and they're coming too the league,

961
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: They look too They're too worried about who's coming at them.

962
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: This guy's eyes is down the field. You could teach

963
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: with more. With more games, you'll get the experience of

964
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: feeling present in the pocket and feeling that pressure and

965
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: be able to slide a chord right. You're right. I

966
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: think he's already gotta feel for that too, based on

967
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: what he does. He has to. Sometimes he won't feel

968
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: it and that's why he got hit, and sometimes you'll fumble.

969
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: He'll take care of the ball by holding in two hands.

970
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: Those things will come with experience. My thing is, as

971
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: a person who didn't like him, I love the fact

972
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: that he keeps his eyes down the field, and I

973
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: love how accurate is his ball. And the one thing

974
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: that I saw right away, I was like, Wow, we

975
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: got ourselves something here is he got pressured right in

976
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: the middle of the podcast and won't play, and he

977
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: back pedaled and he threw off his back foot a dime.

978
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: I forgot to who it was, but it was I

979
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: was like, man, this is what the offense has missing

980
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: for a long time. So I'm excited about that. And again,

981
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna point him as the savior right now

982
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: the New York Dance, but I'm very fool feel good

983
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: about that one game. I just want to see a

984
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: bigger sample size, you know, and that and that's all.

985
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Now you have to a great one, Okay, all right, Antonio,

986
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call, and it is one game, and

987
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: you do want to see more so that you can

988
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: feel as if it's not a flash and that it's consistency.

989
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: But so far it's trending in a very good direction

990
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 1: based on the early results quickly. The one item about

991
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones that you'd really like to see him clean

992
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: up at this point is hold onto the ball too long.

993
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: But I'd rather that than just chucking it up and

994
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: getting picked off. Now a a football coach who was

995
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: now retired, alright, a guy who was in the game

996
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: for forty years. I was on the phone with him

997
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: the other day and we were talking about Daniel Jones

998
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, Daniel Jones reminded me during

999
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: the preseason and during this game a little bit of

1000
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner in that he is looking downfield. He's always

1001
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 1: looking to make sure that he's got his eye down

1002
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: there because he'd like to make the play. And Warner

1003
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: did that all the time when he was at the

1004
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: Rams and with the Giants too, and the Cardinals. That's

1005
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: that's what Kurt Warner did. He was always looking down

1006
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: field vertically to see if he can get that playoff

1007
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: and holding the ball and being brave and sometimes, to

1008
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: be honest, it got Warner in trouble with the Giants.

1009
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: That's what got him benched, is that that he took

1010
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: thirty seven sacks in that half a season, and he

1011
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: also was fumbling the ball because he was getting crunched

1012
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: in the pocket on those sacks and it was a

1013
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: sack slashed force humble and Tom Coughlin wasn't gonna have

1014
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: any more of it, and that's why he made the

1015
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: change free lie Um. So he's just the guy. The

1016
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: coach said to me, I'm seeing some of that right

1017
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: now in Daniel at the very very very very early

1018
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: stages of his career. Is that he's erring on the

1019
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: side of holding the ball too long, looking downfield, looking

1020
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: to make the play. He's like, don't worry about it.

1021
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: Over time, that clock will mature and he will understand

1022
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: it and he will recognize it and instinctively he'll get

1023
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: the timing down. It's okay right now. But if after

1024
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: a couple of years he still hasn't figured that out,

1025
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: now you've got a bit of a problem because you know,

1026
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: once a quarterback gets a rep for holding the ball

1027
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: too long, will defenses start to salivate over that because

1028
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: they know, oh, we can get to him, we can

1029
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: smoke him, and we can get that ball free. So

1030
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: that that if you really want to pinpoint one thing

1031
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: right now, that Daniel Jones, you know he's he's he's

1032
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: not checking a box as well as you'd like. That

1033
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: would be the one well sack five times in terms

1034
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: of the Bucks game. So you know, part of it

1035
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: was I think him holding the football too long. Also,

1036
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: remember this is something that is always overlooked at the conversation.

1037
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: The mobile quarterbacks in the NFL get sacked more than

1038
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: actually the ones who don't really roam out of the

1039
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: pocket because they give defense is an opportunity based on

1040
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: them deciding to run out of the pocket and therefore

1041
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: the protection breaks down to get after you. Deshaun Watson

1042
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: and Dak Prescott were sacked more than any other quarterback

1043
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: last season. So you know, that's the other thing that

1044
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: you have to walk a fine line with. Do you

1045
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: hold onto the football and then if you start running,

1046
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: you expose yourself to injury and also you're exposing yourself

1047
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: to more sacks. Now, of the five sacks that the

1048
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: Giants were charged within Tampa Bay, I charged one of

1049
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: them on my unofficial tape review to Jones for holding

1050
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: the ball too long. And it was on the Nassib sack,

1051
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: which was a third down zone blitz four man rush

1052
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: and and that's the only one where he actually attributed

1053
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: that sack to Jones where he should have done something

1054
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: with it. But again, throughout the course of the game,

1055
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, there were times where you know, he's gotta

1056
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: he's gotta get that clock. But it'll all come in time. Well,

1057
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: those are things that could be learned and absolutely that

1058
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: that's why a panic button type of moment. All right,

1059
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: let's head back to the phone lines as we move

1060
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: along here on Big Blue Kick Off Live. Coach Marvin's

1061
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: in Delaware. What's happening coach, Hey, coach at right, what

1062
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: do you got for us? Uh? Real quick? I know

1063
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: it's about over um To comment on what Paul said

1064
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: about Todd Bowles, I had the feeling that Todd Bowels

1065
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: uh got out of the defense he was running as

1066
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: far as blitzing, because they did get a little nervous

1067
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: at what Jones were doing. I don't know what the

1068
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: stats were, but he did pretty well against pressure. So

1069
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: maybe they didn't want to give up the big play

1070
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: based on them not completely getting to him and allowing

1071
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: him to make a big play in them scoring quicker

1072
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: than they wanted them to. Yeah, it's it's it's one

1073
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: or the other. Either Bowls you know, mistakenly pulled back

1074
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: or was do I dare use the word intimidated by

1075
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and his ability through the first three and

1076
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: half quarters. And if that's the case, and I mentioned

1077
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: it on the radio today, I said, you know, you

1078
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: want to talk about something that was really impressive about

1079
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, peeled back the layers of the onion. If

1080
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: he had that kind of impact on Todd Bowls that

1081
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: he actually I don't want again it is intimidated the

1082
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 1: right word, but that that he pushed Todd Bowles into

1083
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: doing something that he didn't want to do. That says

1084
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: a lot about Daniel Jones. Yeah, it does. I think

1085
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: it was more he pushed him. I'm not gonna say scared.

1086
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say. Yeah, I don't know what the right

1087
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: word is, to be honest with you. GIF think his

1088
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: game plan that prompted him, He prompted him to get

1089
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: out of his game. Yeah. Yeah. And then you're you're

1090
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: looking at the New York Giants planning you and maybe

1091
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: they got lost that who was quarterback in that they

1092
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: went man the man down in the red zone and

1093
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: just got lost in the team that the player that

1094
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: was playing quarterback. That I'm still thinking they publicly thought,

1095
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, these are Giants. Quarterbacks don't run how many

1096
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: times from your board when you played the diner, So

1097
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: they might have lost tracks that he runs the ball.

1098
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: Not that they didn't think he could put and run,

1099
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: but maybe they lost track of that given the play call.

1100
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: You know, you know what the coach. Here's the other

1101
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: part of that equation that made it really good for

1102
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: the Giants is that the offensive line held up on

1103
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: that entire game winning drive. Yeah, and that was a

1104
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: good sign. Yeah, they did a good job real quick

1105
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: that they don't want to go back to this for

1106
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: one more time. The last one of the callers were

1107
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: talking about the emotions in the mental parts of the game,

1108
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 1: and Paul you was talking about Launce Taylor how mentally

1109
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: he had guys played a little tougher the Kid's hard

1110
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 1: to say if it's hard or not artists, but there's

1111
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: a little more used to it. And and and for me,

1112
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm right, and I'm not saying anybody

1113
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: else that don't agree with me is um wrong. I'm

1114
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: just saying that we have to respect each other's opinion

1115
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: based doing that. If they do disagree, so big, but

1116
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: don't downplay it. But I believe in those emotions with players. Um,

1117
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't Daniel Jones, maybe it was. But the

1118
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: offense I think did so inspire the defense to play

1119
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: better at certain points to that game. The plays they

1120
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: came down to with third and three and Michael Thomas

1121
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: making the big play of the game, those things are

1122
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: inspired by something someone else is doing. It's almost like

1123
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: the um. I don't know if Lance remember, but I

1124
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: know you do. Paul the utly issue with the sure

1125
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: that carried them into the playoffs that year. If you remember, well,

1126
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: there are instances, coach, I agree with you, there are

1127
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: instances that can have an impact on the team's emotions,

1128
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: which then can carry over into on the field play.

1129
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing that there are instances that can do that,

1130
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: and I'm not disagreeing I think there are certain guys

1131
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: who can. But as far as my experience with the Giants,

1132
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: it stops at Lawrence Taylor because there's a very elite, small,

1133
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: special group of guys who were just at the top

1134
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: of Mount Rushmore who could consistently inspire their teammates, you know,

1135
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the season. And you know, to

1136
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: say that after Daniel Jones had one game in Tampa Bay,

1137
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: I I I'm sorry, but that concept to me is

1138
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: just totally lost. And also the play that Michael Thomas made,

1139
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: it was a heads up play by a smart player

1140
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: who's a veteran player. I mean, Michael Thomas could have

1141
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: made that play where they were down by twenty five points,

1142
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: they were up by thirty one. It doesn't matter. He

1143
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: made a great play period. I understand that, guys, I

1144
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: understand that, but that doesn't downplay that. It couldn't. Yeah,

1145
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: but but but coach, coach, at the end of the day,

1146
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: this is a hypothetical scenario that we're all trying to

1147
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: get deep down. The bottom line is they went out

1148
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: and won a game. Whether they were inspired by this guy,

1149
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: they were inspired by that guy, they won the game

1150
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: and and now they got to try to build off

1151
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, all of these hypothetical physical he

1152
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: doesn't really mean much. Here's what I want to do, coach,

1153
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: because you know, we we love when you call here's

1154
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: what I want to do. Go back and look at

1155
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: what what the the great Emmett Smith did in the

1156
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: season finale against the Giants when he was scotch taped

1157
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: together and just absolutely bowled over the Giants. There. That's

1158
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: a that's a performance that that counts. Killen Winslow are

1159
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: the Chargers in the playoff game against the Dolphins. Those

1160
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: are the kinds of of players and games that right,

1161
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: but that fits into the category with Daniel Jones did

1162
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: the other day does not fit And I mean, but also,

1163
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers played a playoff game against the Patriot. It's

1164
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: with a partially torn a c L and the charges

1165
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: didn't even win that game. So my point is, yeah,

1166
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: there could be inspirational performances that you respect what the

1167
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: guy does. Everybody still has to go out and do

1168
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: their job. You don't make plays based on, you know,

1169
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: fairy tales. I understand that what you're saying, and I

1170
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: agree with you on that, but that's not the safe

1171
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: that this can't happen situation with his dad the team

1172
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: and said they played harder than they ever Well, I'm sure,

1173
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: well because emotions, emotions were running high under those circumstances,

1174
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: and we'll let you go on that. No, Coach marvit

1175
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call because obviously bred Farv lost a

1176
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: family member, but he was personally inspired to go out

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00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: and play hard. And then I'm sure a number of

1178
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: people on his team were touched by his story. But

1179
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, let's not forget the individual performance by Brett

1180
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: Farve is also a big reason why they went out

1181
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: and won that game. It's not exactly everybody I was

1182
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: doing what they did. It's him having the power to

1183
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: go out there under the circumstances surrounding him personally. So

1184
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, listen, you don't get brownie points when you

1185
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: win games. If two defensive players say they were blown

1186
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: away by what the young quarterback did, you don't get

1187
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: Brownie points for that. So at the end of the day,

1188
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: to me, it's meaningless. It's irrelevant. I understand it's fun

1189
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: to have conversations, but it's all hypothetically. You're never gonna

1190
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: go to approve that the reason why the Giants won

1191
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: the game is because Daniel Jones gave a lift to

1192
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: the offense. You just there's nothing factually that you can

1193
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: point to. Let's head back to the phone lines. Hawses

1194
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. How's what's happening? Hey, how you going right?

1195
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about the number one lands

1196
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: which he was just touching on, which coach was just

1197
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: touching on. I've played football for about twenty years, okay,

1198
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: and I'll place him my pro Uh. There's a thing, uh,

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01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: and you can't explain it, but there's a certain type

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01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: of momentum change when you get a certain type of

1201
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: player that brings a certain type of dynamic that you

1202
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: haven't seen before. It gives you an inspiration. And I'm

1203
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: not gonna say it gives the it carries all over,

1204
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: but it gives you an inspiration as a player to

1205
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: see your quarterback, your young quarterback making please. I played defense.

1206
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: I played quarter when we had a quarterback who comes

1207
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: out and we're down and we have a quarterback that

1208
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: wants to come out and make please, whether he's a

1209
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: rookie of veteran, it gives you some type of spark

1210
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: to say, you know what, maybe we can do this.

1211
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: Let's go team. So that's that's what I think they're

1212
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: talking about. It's not necessarily him just willing the team himself,

1213
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: but given them that inspiration, that spark to say, you

1214
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: know what, we are capable of playing with any and

1215
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: everybody if we give ourselves a chance. And our young

1216
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: quarterback proved that, And I just want to get on.

1217
01:01:55,320 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones has been doing this since college. Nobody about him,

1218
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: and that's because nobody watched duke football. Now I'm gonna

1219
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: say this, I don't watch munch college football. But what

1220
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: I do watch is what I listened to the analysts

1221
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: and what they say about certain college players. And then

1222
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: I go back and I watched games, and I watched

1223
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones in his games on how his pocket presence

1224
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: was evident in every game that he played. He had

1225
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: pocket presence, he had accuracy, he had nobility, and he

1226
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: was running the offense and a post style offense, playing

1227
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: against teams that were running post style defenses. So was

1228
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: she surprised none of the fans and none of the

1229
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: analysts that Daniel Jones is the real deal. Of course,

1230
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna have his rules, but if you go back

1231
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: and you watch his games, you understand exactly what he's

1232
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: been dealing with. This is nothing new to him. So

1233
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: I guess he's scared to polls. And you know why

1234
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: he's scared him because top poles didn't know. He didn't

1235
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: do his pot work, and he didn't know that Daniel

1236
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: Jones was accurate, and he didn't know how fast he was,

1237
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: and he know how cerebral he is. He is a

1238
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: cerebral quarterback that show. That's all I have to say

1239
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: for us, and I'll pick your answers off there. I

1240
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you, Coach Cutcliffe. Yeah, I don't think

1241
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: that I'm having fun with you because because all the

1242
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: positive things you said about Daniel Jones are things that

1243
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: all of us who have studied him, uh no, So

1244
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: you're not shocking any of us. But I will just

1245
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: add this one other thing. Okay, yes, again, there are

1246
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: events in a game that can inspire teams. That's true,

1247
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: it does happen. There are an elite group of players

1248
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: over the course of time who have done that for

1249
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: their teams. But in general, what you're talking about right,

1250
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: there are just leaders. Yeah, Okay, Michael Strahan was a leader.

1251
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,959
Speaker 1: Justin Tuck was a leader. Jesse Armstead was a leader.

1252
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce was a leader. Being a leader and revving

1253
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: up a team or helping them get over the hump

1254
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: is not the same as inspiring a team. There is

1255
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: a difference. Okay, there is a difference. And and what

1256
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: I think we're confusing here are the guys who inspire

1257
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: somebody with their performance and guys who simply lead. I

1258
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: I to me, it's it's definitely apples and oranges that

1259
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: it is not the same thing. Well, if you go

1260
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: watch Giants Sights and Sounds, which is up on giants

1261
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: dot com, Sterling Shepherd is shown on the sideline when

1262
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: the defense is out on the field. So I mean,

1263
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: did that have an impact on the rest of the

1264
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: team The defense was on the field when Sterling Shepherd

1265
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: was doing that. How the hell would they know what

1266
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: he was saying to the offense. So you know, once again,

1267
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: I think it's just people. You know, they're excited about

1268
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: the win, and that's fine, but you could just leave

1269
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: it as it was a great win period. We don't

1270
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: need to add more to the legend of the victory.

1271
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: And I feel as if there's the need to add

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Speaker 1: more legend to the victory. So I think that Evan

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Speaker 1: Ingram's quick touchdown all of a sudden gave the team

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Speaker 1: and inkling, hey, you know what, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: time left, Paul. We could perhaps pull off a comeback,

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Speaker 1: and then they get another touchdown, and I think the

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Speaker 1: But that's the nature of football. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: that's something that was just unique for the Giants. If

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Speaker 1: you make plays in the blink of an eye and

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Speaker 1: you're back within a touchdown or two, I think the

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Speaker 1: entire team saying to themselves, hey, we got a realistic

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Speaker 1: shot to actually pull off the comeback. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you really want to say who provided the spark in

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Speaker 1: that game, it was Evan Ingram and got a block

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Speaker 1: from Darius Slayton at the forty five on Hardgraves to

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Speaker 1: go to the end zone. You know, they did more

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Speaker 1: to make that play than anybody did well because that

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Speaker 1: was what the doctor ordered. You didn't take any time

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Speaker 1: off the cloth and you scored. It was going to

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Speaker 1: the gates to start the third quarter. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: England comes over to the sideline and he was like

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Speaker 1: the incredible Hokey was so intense, screaming, let's go, let's

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Speaker 1: go out. He's he's jumping up on the bench and

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Speaker 1: he was. He was absolutely foaming at the mouth. So

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Speaker 1: are we gonna say now he inspired? No, there are

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Speaker 1: leaders and then there are guys who inspire lt inspired.

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Speaker 1: The other guys can be leaders. Big difference. All Right,

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