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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplug our weekly.

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Speaker 2: Look around, and there was a lot to look around

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Speaker 2: at Jack. A lot of fun stuff happened over these

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Speaker 2: past week Denver Recap. We had a good time, went

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Speaker 2: out there and messed with our coach, Prime and Shador

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Speaker 2: and then I see you rocking. You came back loaded.

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Speaker 2: Huh bro I headed the school shot.

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Speaker 3: But prom say, you got some packages on the way

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Speaker 3: for us, so we got more coming.

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Speaker 1: Also.

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Speaker 2: Man caught up with Jake the Snake Plumber and his

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Speaker 1: Man, we had a blast up there. Can't wait for

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Speaker 1: you guys to see that. Yeah, I'm fresh out my lines. Maine, Man,

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Speaker 2: I think you said, fresh off your lines, I didn't

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Speaker 1: To know what's going on over here. I just want

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Speaker 2: Reminder, we're going on tour. The first two leads of

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Speaker 1: Uh, it's definitely going down. Man.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to see you guys there again Chicago Detroit

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Speaker 1: They represented the most. Man.

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Speaker 2: So again, this is the first two stops. I think

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Speaker 2: we got like six more. So keep throwing your cities

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Speaker 1: Please come to the show.

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Speaker 2: You sounded like Bob from Martin. Thank you, cowboy Bob.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia shocked the world. Man dominated heini. Obviously you're

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Speaker 2: The videas will be the Cole Maine June fifteenth in Vegas. Yep,

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Speaker 2: fight Town Fight Way with Horror is fight Town coming back?

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Speaker 1: Jack? You got something to share with us, I'll let

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Speaker 1: you introduce her that she was already introducing. It just

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Speaker 2: You said, no, I mean I want to know. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 1: Fight Towns, We're back.

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Speaker 3: Shout out the DraftKings, Shout out to bad my guy

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Speaker 2: Obviously shout out everyone who's on the roster right now.

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Speaker 2: More big names coming, but more important, man, great content.

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Speaker 1: You know it's coming.

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Speaker 2: From a good place, and you know, we're blessed to

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Speaker 1: Well, appreciate you spending a little time with us. Jack.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you kind of run it because you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, shot out, my little bro, Man, one of the

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Speaker 3: And Steve Smith was good at teaching man he'll probably

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Speaker 2: Fellas, We're gonna play a quick game right here with

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Speaker 1: So you guys tell me if it's gonna breathe in

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Speaker 2: Adidas is stomping Nike in the signature shoe game right now.

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Speaker 2: Uh ant Man just released his debut Love Low Tops.

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Speaker 2: Obviously Giannis didn't play. I think bronze shoes have gotten

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Speaker 1: You go to these tournaments, it ain't nothing but Pg's

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing the Kyries, the Sabrinas and the and broar

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Speaker 3: So if you if you're putting up numbers, your team winning,

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna say Adida, say is running it right now?

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Speaker 5: You know, I love I love the layout that they

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Speaker 1: He was supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: He was supposed to not have to cut you off,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know, losing losing I mean not losing job,

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Speaker 1: Your creative hats on and tell us about it.

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Speaker 5: But also kind of new stuff is fired too, so

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's definitely gonna be a lot of girls.

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Speaker 1: You're definitely gonna be next. You know.

439
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Speaker 2: Interesting you said that, you know, we with the conversation

440
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Speaker 2: of ladies, you know about Caitlyn Clark getting her signature

441
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Speaker 2: shoe and how come Asia Wilson doesn't have her signature shoe?

442
00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,040
Speaker 2: And I wanted to kind of toss that around real

443
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Speaker 2: quick with both you guys and hear your thoughts.

444
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean you know, you know my thoughts. I mean,

445
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,479
Speaker 3: it's just there's no reason for her not to have one.

446
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,040
Speaker 3: I mean, she's won back to back, she's won the MVP,

447
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Speaker 3: she's won all the wats, has been the best player

448
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Speaker 3: of MVP, defensive player. And the three players that got

449
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Speaker 3: signs shoes are all white. You know what I'm saying

450
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,760
Speaker 3: like that, that's crazy and it ain't being racist. These

451
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,760
Speaker 3: are just the facts, you know what I'm saying. I mean,

452
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Speaker 3: but look, even to go further, you had four black

453
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Speaker 3: women that went number one. They never got paid what

454
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Speaker 3: Kayla's getting paid.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So, like I wasn't aware

456
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Speaker 1: of those numbers.

457
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, she getting seventy eight. Alil

458
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Speaker 3: Boston that went to Indiana last year, number one pick

459
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Speaker 3: she got. She she's the second closest to her, she

460
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Speaker 3: got seventy six.

461
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Speaker 1: But yump. So I mean it's to scale up if

462
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Speaker 1: youy chair.

463
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Speaker 3: But still, you know what I'm saying. I'm just saying,

464
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Speaker 3: these are the facts. You know what I'm saying. But

465
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Speaker 3: no question, Asia deserves her shoes.

466
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Speaker 5: No diagree everything you said. Her accomplishment, but is she

467
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Speaker 5: moving the needle like that?

468
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Speaker 4: Like like like these young girls are.

469
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Speaker 5: Coming in from college, like you know, I mean, their

470
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Speaker 5: numbers are just crazy, like I mean the game, like,

471
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Speaker 5: you know, can't she move the needle like that?

472
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Speaker 3: I think you know As is definitely moving neither.

473
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Speaker 2: I will call you no, but I mean Jack not

474
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Speaker 2: to say she's not, to say she's not. But again

475
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Speaker 2: to me, no, no, he said more than Angel Reese,

476
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. To me, I'm thinking, she's

477
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 2: already had all these accomplishments. Why hasn't it happened already?

478
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 2: It should have already happened. We all agree that she

479
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 2: should have her own shoe. If we're looking at Nike,

480
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Speaker 2: maybe Nike's not the move. Maybe it's Steph. Maybe it's

481
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Speaker 2: you know, Steph and his brand. Maybe it's it's Adidas,

482
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I'm thinking. But at

483
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Speaker 2: the same time, and I saw an interesting fact, and

484
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Speaker 2: I want to say, I don't know if Kannas Parker

485
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Speaker 2: she had her own signature shoe with Adida, so I'm

486
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Speaker 2: not mistaken. I don't know she still does. But the

487
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Speaker 2: way I was looking at is you can't hold that,

488
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Speaker 2: you know, obviously, seeing three white women that have their

489
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Speaker 2: signature you can't hold that against those women.

490
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Speaker 1: Though.

491
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Speaker 2: I'm not people's issues with Nike, and I don't like

492
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Speaker 2: that people are trying to discredit Kaitlyn Clark because she

493
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Speaker 2: has a shoe before she's even stepped in the WNBA.

494
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Speaker 2: Because for the reason that Brandon just said, she moves

495
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Speaker 2: the needle. She is a movement in herself. So all

496
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Speaker 2: these people that kind of feel a certain way about

497
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Speaker 2: Caitlyn coming in the league, or she hasn't done nothing,

498
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 2: or players kind of saying they're a little slick ship

499
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Speaker 2: that we've been seeing them say, they should all be

500
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Speaker 2: happy because she's bringing eyeballs with her. She's bringing in

501
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Speaker 2: the whole ecosystem with her. Like they said, Jack, she

502
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 2: sold one mergers in one day. Then your team sold

503
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Speaker 2: in the whole entire year.

504
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Speaker 1: The Cowboys, the Cowboys. We were just talking about Nike

505
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Speaker 1: falling off, right, Yeah, I don't know falling off, but yeah, I.

506
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Speaker 3: Mean yeah, but yeah bye bye by not by not

507
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Speaker 3: by not having the signature shoes, right because they the

508
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Speaker 3: singing shoes are not popper, right, So you're saying, how

509
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 3: many players with Nike they have signature shoes right now, that's.

510
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Speaker 1: Not moving the needle. I don't know, you'd have to look.

511
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to say we just talked about it.

512
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Speaker 1: We just talked about it. Who who are you talking

513
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Speaker 1: about a lot.

514
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Speaker 3: Of those players that got Signey shoes were talking about

515
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Speaker 3: the das has passed them and people are not wearing

516
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Speaker 3: those shoes. Right, They're not moving the needle, but they

517
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Speaker 3: still got they still got Signy shoes. You're saying, were

518
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Speaker 3: Asia Wilson moved the needle. She is moving the needle.

519
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 3: She's winning the championship. But you got guys in the

520
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Speaker 3: NBA that ain't moving any of that.

521
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Speaker 1: But it's still different, Jack.

522
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Speaker 2: I mean, a w NBA championship is not set, with

523
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: all due respect, it's not celebrated like an NBA championship.

524
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm not comparing like that.

525
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Speaker 2: Her accolades obviously in her league, in her league, she

526
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Speaker 2: is that.

527
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Speaker 1: She's she's she's the one, she's her in her league.

528
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Speaker 5: I mean, if I'm Nike, if I'm Nike, honestly, I'm

529
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Speaker 5: giving Juju a signature shoot right now in college.

530
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Speaker 1: Off the risk question.

531
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying like that, But but that's

532
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Speaker 4: why you got to go.

533
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Speaker 5: With it, Clay Caitlen Clark right now, because she's moving

534
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Speaker 5: the needle and that was gonna move.

535
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Speaker 1: Nobody's denying that. Nobody's denying that. Nobody's denying that. But

536
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Speaker 1: Asia deserves that too.

537
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you also got to think I think Asia

538
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: kind of missed obviously, like Jack we taught had her

539
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Speaker 2: on the show, she missed that ni l ship. You know,

540
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: she said she would have been showing up with minks

541
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Speaker 2: like Frank Lucas. So with this nil stuff, these girls

542
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Speaker 2: are coming into the w n B A bigger than

543
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Speaker 2: the w n B A yeah, you know what following

544
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Speaker 2: in their brands and their visibility and their market you know,

545
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 2: you mean, the way they can market themselves. Now, so

546
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: all these women that are in the w NBA, you

547
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: could sit, we're all hoopers. We can kind of sense

548
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 2: the slick shit that is being said, but they should

549
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Speaker 2: all appreciate it because they're all all these the top

550
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: seven picks are all coming in, top ten picks are

551
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: all coming in with built in So my whole question,

552
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,959
Speaker 2: fellas was with that excitement and the storylines from college

553
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: basketball translate to the w because if it does, it's

554
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Speaker 2: gonna change the game.

555
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Speaker 1: It's definitely gonna change the game.

556
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Speaker 2: And obviously they're going to go back after this year

557
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: and go back to the tables and redo their negotiations.

558
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 2: And there's some new TV stuff in the works for them,

559
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: and there's a big sponsor coming in, so contracts and

560
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: salaries are definitely gonna be up. But I just love

561
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: the fact that we're having these type of conversations because

562
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: that means the game is growing, whether you know people

563
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Speaker 2: like it or not.

564
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's society right now. Don't get get better

565
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Speaker 4: and better.

566
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Speaker 5: So I mean the WNBA is gonna have to do

567
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 5: their job, make it bigger, you know what I'm.

568
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Speaker 3: Saying, regards what somebody else do, regardless what you do,

569
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 3: if you if you be, if you go score thirty

570
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: and you coming in my league and you and you

571
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: big regards what you done, what you do. I know

572
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 3: what I've done in this league. So yeah, you deserve

573
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: what you what you've done and what you're coming into.

574
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: But I deserve it too. No one's arguing with that.

575
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: No one's arguing with that.

576
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: But like I said, I just think these younger women,

577
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Speaker 2: I think I feel like Caitlyn is taking heat, you know,

578
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: similar to where Agel was taking heat a while back

579
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Speaker 2: for different reasons.

580
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Speaker 1: But you can't be mad at Caitlyn because she has

581
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: a big ass deal, not at all, you know what

582
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: I mean.

583
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to tell these people, like you

584
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: can't be It's not her fault, right, It's her fault

585
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: that she hooped and did because it's not like she's

586
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 2: just you know, some great white like she's a hooper.

587
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 2: I think she benefited off the Steph Curry effect, you

588
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean. People love the way Steph kind

589
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 2: of changed the game as a whole, along with Clay

590
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: and some other guys. But that she shoots the ship

591
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: from half court with without effort, and she's carrying a

592
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 2: with all due respect, not a you know, not a

593
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: super talented team, to the team to the Final four

594
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: and to the championship. So her game speaks for itself.

595
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: So I just I just don't like the negative attention

596
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: that any of these women are getting because at the

597
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: end of the all these women are gonna help build

598
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: this game more and take it to the next level.

599
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we could I be negative again.

600
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Speaker 3: How do you feel about how do you feel about

601
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark and her team that didn't win the national

602
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: championship get invited to Saturday Night Live, her whole team,

603
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: but the national championship actually didn't.

604
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Speaker 4: Because I'm moving the needle.

605
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, Don Stanley not moving the needle, not like she

606
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: definitely is moving the needle.

607
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: Don Staley is definitely moving the needle.

608
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Speaker 3: I am trying to make I ain't trying to make

609
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: this racial. Don't think I'm just speaking the facts. Bro,

610
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: I'm not making it racial because people try to twist

611
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Speaker 3: my words.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just I'm just asking our question. I'm speaking.

613
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm mad at that. I'm not mad at the question.

614
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 2: But I think what b Jenny said, bros moving and

615
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: Don Staley is definitely moving the needle. But nobody, I

616
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Speaker 2: would argue that nobody right now, in this little last

617
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: month is moving the needle like Kaitlyn Clark period, not Lebron,

618
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: not nobody like Kayln Clark has fascinated and captured the

619
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: entire world. So no one is moving the needle like her.

620
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 2: So I get I get the Saturday Nights Year, I

621
00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: get the Nike deal.

622
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: I get it. Now he gonna have to come and

623
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: prove that shit, though, you know what I mean.

624
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: So moving on, James Worthy, the great Hall of Famer,

625
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: friend of the all the smoke praying, and he said,

626
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: Yokic is a combination of magic and Kareem. He said

627
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 2: to me, Yokic is magic and Kareem on the floor

628
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: at the same time. He's a guard who makes great

629
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: decisions and is a hell of a passer. But when

630
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: you need, he wants to be Kareem. He goes down

631
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: in the post and dominates. Question to you, guys, if

632
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: Yokic wins a chip in an MVP this year, where

633
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: do you have him on your all time list? Not

634
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: all time sinners, we'll talk about that too. Where do

635
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: you have him in the all time? Is he cracking

636
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: the top ten fifteen, twenty, Brandon, I'm gonna start with you.

637
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 4: He cracking the top thirty, Okay, Like I get him

638
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 4: top thirty.

639
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: Still it's too early, so accolades are heavy. Game is heavy.

640
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: But he's in your top thirty, Yeah, top thirty?

641
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 4: Right now?

642
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 1: Where do you have him on your top centers of

643
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: all time? Is he top ten there?

644
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's top ten for sure, He's top ten. He's

645
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 4: creeping off the bench right now.

646
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so around six seven he's off the bench. Six

647
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: I might put him higher. Jack, where's Yoki chat for you? Well, one,

648
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: you can't.

649
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: You can't never go against what Jane Worth is saying

650
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 3: because he played with Magic and Korean, so he knowing

651
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: better than anybody. And that's a great comparison because you

652
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: can see a lot of both of them and them.

653
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 3: I think for me, I got him on the all

654
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: time list. I got Yokish top ten, topki skim me,

655
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 3: top fifteen, top fifteen, top twenty, top fifteen somewhere or up.

656
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

657
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: And my all time center list, I got him top five. Ooh, okay,

658
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna agree.

659
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: I definitely. I don't know where he's at.

660
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: I don't have time to knock a list down right now,

661
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: but I feel like he's in my top twenty players

662
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: of all time and he's still got you know, more time,

663
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 2: and they got something really good going over there right now.

664
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: And then as far as centers, yeah, I put him

665
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: up there, man. I mean to me, it is the

666
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 2: greatest center of all time. And then you you know,

667
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: you look at Kareem and then you know, people say

668
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: Wilt and Russell, but I'm throwing Yoki right up in

669
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: that mix is TOUGHI is tough. So we shall see.

670
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: Are we seeing a passing of the torch in front

671
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: of our eyes? As far as the new wave of

672
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 2: the n.

673
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: B A H. Steph didn't make it.

674
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: Kd and and and his boys are up against the

675
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: next face of the league, Anthony Edwards Lebron. It's gonna

676
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: be uphill sledding to see if they even get out

677
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: of the first round this year. But you look at

678
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: that ant man Uh Luca. I don't know if they're

679
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: gonna get out the first round, but we all know

680
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: what lucas about.

681
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: And then Jokic. Are we seeing a passing of the torch?

682
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: Fellas hell? I think so?

683
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: I think so for the simple fact that you know,

684
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: you know, when when when you start to see, you know,

685
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: the guys that was that was carrying the torch starting

686
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: to be in the play in every year, that's the

687
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: big sign. And and and you're seeing guys like Shai

688
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: the youngest team in the NBA be number one in

689
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: the Western Conference when Western Conference is normally the toughest conference.

690
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: That's that's that that's starting to say a lot. So yeah,

691
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: the passing of the torch is definitely here.

692
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, the passing of the torches here, and the lead's

693
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 5: gonna be in a good hands man.

694
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 4: Man, Luca, your kids, you got tit on, you got shy.

695
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 5: You know, you got a bunch of young guys man

696
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 5: that can that can hold their own, and you know

697
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 5: they're not playing together.

698
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 4: They're all like, you know this this thing like they

699
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 4: want to an act man.

700
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 5: You know, he definitely want to go against everybody. So

701
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 5: just his demeanor, you know, his or and what he

702
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 5: brings to the game. Man, I think you know, the

703
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 5: lead's gonna be in a good in good hands.

704
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: These young boys not really trying to team up? Is

705
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: this Are they going to bring that wave back of

706
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: not really trying to because it was a it was

707
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: a Big three era for a minute that we all

708
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: you know, we're part of and and played in and

709
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't necessari but obviously all these guys are young

710
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: and they haven't got there. You know, they're coming some

711
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: of them are still coming off their first deals. But

712
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: do you think this next wave is going to kind

713
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: of take it back to what it used to be.

714
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 1: But we're not teaming up.

715
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: We may get one guy, but that's about it and

716
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: we try to we go on to each other's.

717
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 4: Next I could see it. I mean the money too.

718
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Supermax, you know the way the

719
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 5: way the money is going in there. You know, the

720
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 5: way first team, second team, third team is is kind

721
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 5: of like, you know, it's kind of like you stay

722
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 5: over there. I just said, you know, at this time,

723
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 5: and I mean, and the way guys are just putting

724
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 5: up numbers too, you know, it's just crazy, like they're

725
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 5: so young and and you know, the way Minnesota has

726
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 5: already built their team, it's kind of like, you know,

727
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 5: they have their they have their guys, they have him

728
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 5: and Cat, and you know they have a vet in

729
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 5: Mike Conley. So you know, some of these teams are

730
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 5: well put together. They just got to add just like one,

731
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 5: one or two, you know pieces.

732
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: I just want to see it from okayce in Minnesota.

733
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: I love it.

734
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: I love that they got there. We all know the

735
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: regular season is a little bit different than the playoffs.

736
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: But right as of now, although man, OKAYC went down

737
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: to the wire last night with that was a really

738
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 2: good game with New Orleans, you know, obviously minus Zion,

739
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: But I just want to see it from these young teams.

740
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: You know, obviously, Jack, we spoke.

741
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: It's kind of a change in the guards from you know, okay,

742
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: season number one in the West now and so they

743
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: finished third, but I got to see it in the playoffs.

744
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: One thing that also drew my attention was the ship

745
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: that Anthony Edwards was talking to KD, and KD loved it.

746
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: KD loved it obviously, KD, you know, being uh Ant's

747
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: favorite player, and it's you know, it's when your idols

748
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: become your rivals, so to speak. And and out of

749
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: all these young players, and there's a lot of young players,

750
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: I just love Anthony Edwards energy and his game backs

751
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: it up. What was going through you guys mind when

752
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: you've seen him talking shit to KD like that.

753
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: I loved it.

754
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: Bro put us up the fact that he already He

755
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: already then came out millions of times saying Kate is

756
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: his favorite player.

757
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: Dog.

758
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: So when you get a chance in the playoffs to

759
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: go up against your favorite player, one of the best

760
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: players of all time, to prove yourself, it's no better

761
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: feeling than that, Matt, There's no better feeling than that.

762
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: When even though were the same age, when I got

763
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: a chance to play against cobD in the playoffs after

764
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: they had three pet it and beat them to go.

765
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: Win the championship. Doll, that was the best feeling in

766
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: the world.

767
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: So when you you know, I looked even I looked

768
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: up to Cobe even though it was the same age,

769
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: just because how good he was. But I get it.

770
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: That's the best fit in the world. And Katie embracing it,

771
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. He's not taking it the

772
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: wrong way. He loved the competition as well. But it's

773
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: good to see that you got players coming back that's

774
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: ready to compete like that and give the game what

775
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: we want to see.

776
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it just talked about.

777
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 5: It just shows his passion and this is why he's

778
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 5: about to be the face of the league. This is

779
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 5: what the league wants. This is what the NBA is about. Like,

780
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 5: you know, this is what you know, This is what

781
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 5: the dogs. You know, this is when the dogs come out,

782
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 5: and you know, this is when you take your game

783
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 5: to the next level. This is something that everybody dreams of.

784
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 5: You know, everybody dreams to play against the favorite player

785
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 5: on the court, give him thirty or being that big game,

786
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 5: hit that big shot, against them, So I mean that

787
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 5: just shows his passion and the love for the game.

788
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: So I'm rooting for the young gain.

789
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: The great Detroit Mercy point guard who knocked UCLA out

790
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: in the tournament.

791
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: I think it's my freshman year.

792
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: Rashad Phillips on Twitter said, Katie smiles at like a

793
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: proud father as he watches a generation he helped build

794
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 2: have their moment in the midst of the battle. This

795
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: is beautiful. As you get older, you will understand what

796
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: I mean. KD is one of the greatest of all times.

797
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: So I thought that was a beautiful, beautifully said by

798
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: Rashade Fillips because like like I said, I mean, we're

799
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: seeing it. And I hope now people are appreciating what

800
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: KD has been able to do for this game, what

801
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: Steph has been able to do for this game, what

802
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: Lebron has been able to do for this game. Because

803
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: these guys, you know, two three years, they might not

804
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: be here after that. So you know, I love when

805
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: when in an era where everyone loves to talk shit

806
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: and be disrespectful and critique everything, I hope that these

807
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: people just appreciate what they've been able to see the

808
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: last twenty years. From Lebron and seventeen from KD And

809
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: I think Steph's at fifteen or sixteen. So I just

810
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: hope these people appreciate it.

811
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: Man.

812
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: One last thing before we get out of this. A

813
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: man said he's the best two guard in the league

814
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: over Booker. We don't leave that out there. We're gonna

815
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: leave that out there.

816
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 4: I'm a Clippers, right, I'm not.

817
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: I ain't even argue. I'm just gonna throw it out there.

818
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: I know book Go has to say. And that's the

819
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: best part about it is.

820
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 1: You're playing each other in the playoffs right now, right,

821
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: Clippers veteran savvy can it? Can it? Can it win? Obviously?

822
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: Can you guys think he can get them, get them

823
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: out of the West? I mean minus Kawhi? They went

824
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: took Game one versus Dallas Westbrook integral part off the bench,

825
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: smart doing it on both ends, defensively and offensively. James

826
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: Harden in his bag twenty eight and twenty eight and

827
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: eight six for eleven from deep this supporting cast. I

828
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: haven't even mentioned PG and what he brings to the game.

829
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: Do you guys think that this team has a chance

830
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: to get out of the West?

831
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 4: Man?

832
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 5: I mean the West is tough, man, you know, especially

833
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 5: without Kawhi. Leonard is definitely going to be tough. But

834
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 5: they're definitely gonna have to use Westbrook a lot and

835
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 5: let him, you know, do his thing and you know,

836
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 5: beat him. But yeah, man, I mean, you know, the

837
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 5: West is so stacked.

838
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 4: Man, it's it's I don't know.

839
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: And we're not even saying they gonna get out the

840
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: first round. Just up one nothing on Dallas. This I

841
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: mean that the series, you know what I mean, the

842
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: series is just getting started. But Jack, do you feel like,

843
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: uh with if Kawhi is able to come back, can

844
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: this team come out of the West.

845
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: That's my thing, Matt. I love the Clippers.

846
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 3: I love the coach I loved I love the way

847
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: they put James and Russ and Kawhi and Parr together.

848
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: I love that whole little thing.

849
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: But I know Jason Kidd, I know Kawhi, I know

850
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 3: Luca Donci is the leading scorer in the NBA this year.

851
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: They gonna come back. Real this is far from over.

852
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: This is far from over, yeah, because you know, you know,

853
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: you know how Luclan had some amazing games there in

854
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: the playoffs. So my thing is they can tie the

855
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: series up now they have homecome home court advantage, So

856
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 3: I don't we've seen We've seen James do this and

857
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: and I love him James playing well because it's just

858
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: the game is just more exciting when he getting his

859
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: threes and doing his io, the game is way more exciting.

860
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: But he hasn't sustained that on no team he's been

861
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 3: on to get them, you know what I'm saying.

862
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: To the championship out of the Western Conference.

863
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: So with with with Kawhi coming back, there's less shots

864
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: with a lot of these guys too, So how this

865
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: is gonna look when he come back. I don't know

866
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: if the Clippers can do it, but I know they

867
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: will see a different Dallas team come Game two.

868
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: I mean I kind of feel like, I mean, Clippers

869
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: have been my pick from the beginning, and I agree

870
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: with you know, James has been great, you know in

871
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: flashes of the playoffs, but hasn't been consistent. But I

872
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: think this team is different from a standpoint if he

873
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be him every single night, you know

874
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, you know, PG could be him.

875
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: You know, Russ can come off the bench and still

876
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: be him. If they're able to get Kawhi. We already

877
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: know Kawhi's resume when it comes to playoffs in the finals,

878
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: so I don't feel like there's as much pressure. And

879
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if pressure was the reason why he

880
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: wasn't playing well at times, but those have always been

881
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: kind of the James Harden shows with with with you know,

882
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: with the Rockets obviously, and then him and Embiid and

883
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: that didn't really mix too well. But I just don't

884
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: feel like there's a lot that as much pressure on him,

885
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: and I feel like he's definitely gonna do his thing.

886
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: But I do agree there's no telling if they're going

887
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 2: to get out of this series if they don't have Kawhi,

888
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: and I don't know if they can make it through

889
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: the West uh without Kawhi.

890
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: But there's still my pick.

891
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: I can't go back on my pick, and I hope

892
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: that Kawhi is able to come back BG before our

893
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: BJ Before we get you out of here, man, we

894
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: wanted to you know, obviously, your game speaks for it self.

895
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: We're definitely looking forward to having you come on of

896
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: all the smoke soon, but we wanted to touch on

897
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: just tough crowd and what you've been able to build

898
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: and your brand and your partnerships and and and and

899
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: what's kind of in the future for you there if

900
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: you don't mind breaking it down for us as I'm interested,

901
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: but I know our fans are institting here too.

902
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

903
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 5: Tough Crowd is a brand I started when I took

904
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 5: a trip to China. I think it was my last

905
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 5: year playing basketball, and I was just looking at how

906
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 5: big our culture was over there, so you know, far

907
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 5: as hip hop and fashion, and when I came back,

908
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 5: I was just like, I want to start a brand.

909
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 4: Uh So started a brand.

910
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 5: Sat on the name Tough Crowd for for a while,

911
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 5: and tough Crowd is just for anybody that's like an

912
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 5: entrepreneur or anybody that's you know.

913
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 4: Wanted more in life.

914
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 5: And you know, at the end of the day, you know,

915
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 5: life is just a tough crowd because we always got

916
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 5: to prove ourselves and you know, it's always haters and doubters.

917
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 4: So that's like the meaning behind it a tough crowd.

918
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 5: And the reason why I put tough Crowd on the collar,

919
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 5: uh was because back in the day, you know, they

920
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 5: had the selfie era, right, so so you know everybody

921
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 5: was taking selfie so I was doing that to use,

922
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 5: uh to get the brand out there and use marketing.

923
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 5: So it was like a cool little marketing way to

924
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 5: get everybody to see the brand first.

925
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: So I know you if I'm not mistaking, I follow

926
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: you on. I g I know you have a gym,

927
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: a hoop gym that this brand. You've also did a

928
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: partnership with your brother Steph Curry. Uh, and you were

929
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: one of the early under Armour guys.

930
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: Mar Yeah.

931
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was the first one to sign the un Armour.

932
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 5: Then Curry came over and so me and Curry, we

933
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 5: have a a lot of relationships with people from an Armor.

934
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 5: So it was just dope the fact to be able

935
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 5: to do that collab go back to my home gym

936
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 5: in Raleigh Park where I grew up at actually where

937
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 5: I first started basketball three. So doing that for the

938
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 5: community dropping the collapse was dope, man, And it was

939
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 5: actually one of our biggest moments so far.

940
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: He man.

941
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: He also made our Hall of Fame jackets for our

942
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 3: old kids ceremony too.

943
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They hooked everybody up.

944
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: That's what's up. That's really good.

945
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: And again we're gonna dig a little, you know, get

946
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: into more of your story once we have you on

947
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: the show. We just want to give you all a

948
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: taste of what our guys giving you right now. But

949
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: before we get you out of here Gil's Arena. Yes,

950
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: in one year, you guys have done amazing things. You

951
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: guys just had a live show. Shout out to the

952
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: whole team, man. I think it's a beautiful thing, the

953
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: way you guys have been coming together. I feel like

954
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: there's just that we all know there's a huge shift

955
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: in media right now. And when I was on Paul

956
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: George's podcast here there, I was like, I don't look

957
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: at any of my brothers as competition. I feel like

958
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: all moving the needle, we're all pushing, we're all changing

959
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: the game. And there's enough money for all us because

960
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: there's at least some good money out here. But tell us,

961
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 2: you know how that you know how you guys kind

962
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: of came about and what that experience it has been

963
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: like for you guys.

964
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 4: Man experiences been great.

965
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 5: First, I want to shout out Gil Man forgiving me

966
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 5: the opportunity and given you know, Rasha Keing, Lexi Brown,

967
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 5: Josiah you know, uh, you know it's called everybody, Tim

968
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 5: Steve everybody over there, Paolo, and you know, coming being

969
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 5: from la you know, you know l A and I

970
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 5: gotta be real.

971
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of us we don't do business together.

972
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 4: So you know, fortunately, you know the fact that.

973
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 5: Gil, you know, as a o G you know, gave

974
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 5: me an opportunity to be on the show definitely has

975
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 5: opened up a lot of doors for me outside of it,

976
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 5: you know.

977
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: Speaking engagements for the NBA.

978
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 5: You know, getting back with the Bucks has been tremendous, so,

979
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 5: you know, just the whole experience and just being able

980
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 5: to talk about the game and my life.

981
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 4: You know, it's been great, man, it's been great. It's

982
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: been awesome.

983
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 2: I think that shit is dope because you gouts, it's different,

984
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, like you bring your energy. Gil

985
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: brings his energy. Rad Is Burnt over there, he brings

986
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: his energy. K Mart and you know all the people

987
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: you guys have rotating as well, other Joe Siah, you

988
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

989
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: Joe's our dog.

990
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: You know, I went to college with Joey, playing on

991
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: the same hoop team. But I just really love but

992
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: quick story, Jack, I don't I don't think I've never

993
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: told this story. So a podcast was pitched to me

994
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: before I came up with this idea for me and

995
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: Kmart and this dude from Vice Sports pitched it to me.

996
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: I don't even know if Kmart knows this story or not.

997
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 2: I want to ask him one day. But the dude

998
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: that was doing it died. The dude that had the

999
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: idea and was was taking the device.

1000
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: It died. And then really yeah, and.

1001
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: Then maybe like six months later is when I hit

1002
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: you up, like yo, let's let's do this thing. But

1003
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 2: it was pitched to me originally to do something with Kmart.

1004
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: That's my boy. Yes, our dog ye came came out

1005
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: and that's my brothers.

1006
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: Man. I like I said, I love the energy in

1007
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: the mix, the mix of Burton we were talking for humor. Yeah,

1008
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: how was how was your We're gonna start doing a lot.

1009
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: We've done a few live shows. Were going on our

1010
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: live tour the summer. But how was it you guys

1011
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: you know sold out the l RA right to hundred people.

1012
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: I think, L right, what was that experience?

1013
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: L Ray was great?

1014
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 2: Man?

1015
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 5: And the thing about the live show, like your fans

1016
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 5: come so they just being a rowdy, like they just

1017
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 5: asked the question. They just be shouting out stuff, you know,

1018
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 5: even going back and forth. The questions are you know,

1019
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 5: the questions are kind of intense, but I mean just

1020
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 5: overall man like, just to be out of the element

1021
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 5: of like playing in the you know, like in the

1022
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 5: arena and you know.

1023
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 4: Having life after basketball and doing something different.

1024
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 5: It's just like dang, like we still stars, like we

1025
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: still like, you know, still got it.

1026
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

1027
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 4: Well.

1028
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: Congratulations man, and again, thank you for coming on our

1029
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: show today, and we look forward to you coming and

1030
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: sitting down with us and really chopping it down for

1031
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: show man.

1032
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: Thank you, Stack, Thank you, Matt love five you know

1033
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: that always always five heys.

1034
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: And I love to the bros over there too. Yeah,

1035
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: y'all tell everybody we said whatever.

1036
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: I love y'all.

1037
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: Jack.

1038
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: Right now, we want to welcome to the show. Uh.

1039
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: When when this idea was pitched to me, I loved

1040
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: it instantly, you know, once I looked up who he

1041
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: was and what he had going on, and then obviously

1042
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: who his sister was, like all this through this dope,

1043
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: but he also has his own story, not to mention

1044
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: you know what he's doing with coach cal So. Right now,

1045
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: welcome to Unplugged Craig Robinson.

1046
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: Craig, how you doing, man.

1047
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 6: I'm doing fine. So happy to be here with you, brothers. Man.

1048
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, man, We appreciate you making some

1049
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: time for us. Former Division one coach two time has

1050
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: some game of his own. Jack two time IVY League

1051
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: Player of the Year over at Princeton, worked in the

1052
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: front office with the Bucks and the Knicks. Recently launched

1053
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: a new podcast with Coach Cal which I'm definitely looking

1054
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: forward to catching up on.

1055
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: Craig. What's going on, man? I just do a lot

1056
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: at you, But what's going on with you right now? Currently?

1057
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 6: Listen?

1058
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: So.

1059
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 6: I'm currently the executive director of the NABC, which is

1060
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 6: the National Association of Basketball Coaches. Two years ago we

1061
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 6: launched our own media content creating company called Coach Plush

1062
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 6: and and part of that, we've done three documentaries and

1063
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 6: we've launched this podcast called Ways to Win with Coach

1064
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 6: Cal and. Uh. I can't tell you how thrilled I

1065
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 6: am to be doing that, uh, and then to be

1066
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 6: on here with you guys. I am a huge fan

1067
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 6: of your show, was a fan of you guys while

1068
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 6: you were playing. Even though I'm older than you, I

1069
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 6: know all about I coached in the Pac twelve, so

1070
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 6: so Matt, I came to Oregon State right after you left,

1071
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 6: a little bit after you left. So I coached against

1072
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 6: Drew and and Westbrook and that that team that just

1073
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 6: you know, we were eating the pants off folks. So Steven,

1074
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 6: I'm i'm I'm a big fan of yours because I

1075
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 6: like both of you all because you're like me. You

1076
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 6: like big guys who can play guard, but you you

1077
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 6: also can guard people both sides.

1078
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 2: That's how I was both sides of the ball. Tell

1079
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: us how this pod with coach Cal came about? What

1080
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: should we be expecting? And then obviously the whirlwind. You know,

1081
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: your good friend is leaving Kentucky where he you know,

1082
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: set down at you know, set the presidents for the

1083
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: one and done and all the pros that he's turned

1084
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: out and he's off to Arkansas. So tell me how

1085
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: the pod came about, you know a little bit about

1086
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: your guys' friendship and what we should expect from the podcast.

1087
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I've known Cal for a long time and

1088
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 6: he was always really nice to me when I got

1089
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 6: into coaching, and uh, and we've sort of stayed connected

1090
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 6: and then once I got this job. He was on

1091
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 6: the board, and I pitched the board on using our

1092
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 6: coaches to start a content creation company where we use

1093
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 6: our coaches and we tell stories about coaches, about coaching,

1094
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 6: about ball. And then we had this idea to do

1095
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 6: a podcast about lessons learned on the court, on the

1096
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 6: field that can translate into regular life, the business world, uh, teaching, leadership,

1097
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 6: that kind of thing. And we were trying to figure

1098
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 6: out who would be good to be on and so

1099
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 6: I talked to a couple of coaches and I talked

1100
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 6: to Cal, and Cal, of course, you guys know how

1101
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 6: Cal is. He raised his hand, he was like, podcast, Yeah,

1102
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 6: I'm in, And that's how we that's how we got it.

1103
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 6: And obviously we launched it right before the start of

1104
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 6: the NCAA tournament. So we're doing shows and then he's uh,

1105
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 6: plays in the tournament and then and then leaves Kentucky

1106
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 6: crazy and that's where we are. But it's it's it's been.

1107
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 6: It's been chaotic for him, I'm sure, but as you

1108
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 6: guys know, in this business, chaos makes for good stories.

1109
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: Right and and and it don't last long.

1110
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 3: And one thing about Cal I know from from watching

1111
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: for them from afar.

1112
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: He hadjust quickly, you know.

1113
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Yeah, he adjust real quickly, right right.

1114
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 6: And you know, I I listened to your last episode

1115
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 6: it might not have been your last one, but a

1116
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,959
Speaker 6: recent one where you had Boogie on talking about cal

1117
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 6: and talking about how the effect on him is like

1118
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 6: when you have two parents who get divorced, right for

1119
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 6: for for his players, they're they're riding with them one

1120
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 6: hundred percent, but they're still loyal to Kentucky. So I

1121
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 6: find that as a as a really interesting dynamic with

1122
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 6: all this going on. But you know, this is the

1123
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 6: business that we're in. You know, you get hired, you

1124
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 6: get fired, and you know, my my question was to Kentucky,

1125
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 6: who you gonna get?

1126
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: Right?

1127
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 6: That's a hard act, that's a hard act to follow,

1128
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 6: and and you know, I represent all the coaches in

1129
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 6: our organization, so I'm happy for Mark Pope. But that's

1130
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 6: that's a hard job, hard fans, hard shoes to fill.

1131
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 6: I mean, come on.

1132
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: Ye, it's gonna be a hard job.

1133
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: You were you were a four year starter at Princeton

1134
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: under the Great Peter Carrol Carill pe carea excuse me,

1135
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: peop career.

1136
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: And he was also a long time a king's assistant.

1137
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: Did Can you say that the offense at Princeton taught

1138
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: you about life?

1139
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 6: Oh? Absolutely, Steven, I will tell you it. It not

1140
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 6: only taught me about life, but it taught me how

1141
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 6: to play too, right, because you know, I'll start with

1142
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 6: that part first. You know, now, all the stuff you

1143
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 6: see run in the NBA, that's all former Princeton offense stuff. Pistol,

1144
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 6: uh you know, back cuts off a chin, you know,

1145
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 6: all that stuff got started. I was doing that when

1146
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 6: I was in college. And uh so I learned how

1147
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 6: to play from Coach Carell. But you know, there were

1148
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 6: a couple of things when I think about some of

1149
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 6: the life lessons I learned from them, because there were many,

1150
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 6: but the ones that stick out were, first and foremost,

1151
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 6: everything is important. He preached that all the time because

1152
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 6: we were you know, we were Princeton, right, we weren't

1153
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 6: McDonald's all Americans, and when we had to play folks

1154
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 6: like you, in order to win those games, which we

1155
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 6: want our share of, you had to do everything perfectly.

1156
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 6: And so what that taught me was that everything you do,

1157
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 6: whether people are looking at you or not, is important.

1158
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 6: How you come to work every day, how do you

1159
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 6: be a professional, How you hit the weight room, how

1160
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 6: you hit the books in school. All of that contributes

1161
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 6: to being good enough to beat the Stephen Jackson's of

1162
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 6: the world. Right, you can't beat the Stephen Jackson's of

1163
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 6: the world. You just come show off for a game.

1164
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 6: The second thing I would say is, you know, in

1165
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 6: the Princeton offense and in basketball generally, you know if

1166
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 6: you give yourself over to the tea team and the

1167
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 6: process in the game. So being unselfish you get further

1168
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 6: ahead than if you are selfish.

1169
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: Thanks.

1170
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 6: So when you make a cut and you know you're

1171
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 6: not going to get a pass, but you know that

1172
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 6: cut's gonna open up the guy behind you. A lot

1173
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 6: of guys don't learn that these days playing basketball with

1174
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 6: their one on oher worker.

1175
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't know how to play off the ball

1176
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: at all.

1177
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 6: They don't know how to play off the ball, and

1178
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 6: off the ball is teaching you how to sacrifice for

1179
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 6: the for the good of the team. Those are Those

1180
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 6: are a couple of things man, that I took with me.

1181
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 6: And you know, I spent before I got into coach,

1182
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 6: and I spent fourteen years in corporate America and investment banking,

1183
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 6: and and those were the lessons that got me to

1184
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 6: move up the corporate ladder.

1185
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: What what kind of person was coach? Off the court?

1186
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: Coaching coach? E?

1187
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 6: Well, you guys, you guys got the good coachy in

1188
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 6: the in the NBA. I always used to laugh when

1189
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 6: I used to go visit him in Sacramento. I was like, coach,

1190
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 6: you're way nicer to these guys than you were up

1191
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 6: I used to tell people he was hard on us

1192
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 6: and he coached by character assassination, right, So he had

1193
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 6: a sharp he had a sharp tongue and what he

1194
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 6: did guys, And I tried to do this with my coaching,

1195
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 6: only without the acidity. Every day we called it going

1196
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 6: down the line. Every day after practice, you know where

1197
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 6: you stood because he would go down the line and

1198
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 6: tell you what you did well and didn't do well

1199
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 6: at practice every day. So if you were the fifteenth

1200
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 6: guy on the roster, you knew what it takes to

1201
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 6: get to be number one. It was no it was

1202
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 6: all accountability. You knew why the number one guy was

1203
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 6: number one, and you knew why you were fifteen. And

1204
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 6: if you were the number one guy, you knew why

1205
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 6: you were number one, and you knew why what the

1206
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 6: other guys had to do to come take you from

1207
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:09,479
Speaker 6: being number one? That daily accountability not most people can't

1208
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 6: take it, and most athletes can't.

1209
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: Take especially this day.

1210
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 6: So in this day and age, oh, forget about it. Man,

1211
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 6: It's just it's it's you know, you have to handle

1212
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 6: these these kids with kid gloves and and like you,

1213
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 6: I'm coaching my my two youngest in AAU and I

1214
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 6: barely even open my mouth these days because I'm scared

1215
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 6: I'm gonna shatter somebody's future dreams.

1216
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: I dealt with it coming in with Greg Popovich, but

1217
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 3: it was the best thing for me. You know, Greg,

1218
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: Greg was hard on me, but when I seen him

1219
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 3: treat Tim Duncan the same way he was treating me

1220
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: and was hard on the best player, it was easy

1221
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: for me to take because you're talking to the best

1222
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: player like that.

1223
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: So I needed that and that was definitely beneficial for me.

1224
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 6: Well Jack, you know, And and it's it's really interesting

1225
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 6: because I was late to the NBA game when I

1226
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 6: when I started working in the front office, and it

1227
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 6: amazed me how many times that that didn't happen. Right,

1228
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 6: Like I'm with you. You know, I visited with Pop

1229
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 6: a lot before I went to the NBA to see

1230
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 6: if it was something I wanted to do, and.

1231
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: He was. He was.

1232
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 6: He reminded me of coach career, only just a mile

1233
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 6: a milder version. But the ability to hold your best

1234
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 6: players accountable and the ability of your best players to

1235
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 6: allow the coach to hold you account is so big

1236
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 6: in in winning and and to me it's a good

1237
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 6: it's a good example of why it's so hard for

1238
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 6: these teams to win on a consistent basis because they're

1239
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 6: changing out the coaches so much. You're afraid the whole

1240
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 6: guy's accountable because you're trying to hang on to your job.

1241
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 2: Absolutely, your sister, the former First Lady, Miss Michelle Obama,

1242
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: obviously wanted to to shout that out and real quick

1243
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: what was she like as a sister. But then I

1244
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: want to get to those those pickup games and here,

1245
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 2: if you had any good pickup games with Brock.

1246
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 6: Well, you know, my and I are close and continue

1247
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 6: to be close today. And you know, she was the

1248
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 6: people don't realize she was like a really good athlete.

1249
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 6: But she came along right at the time, right before

1250
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 6: folks started pushing girls into sports. And even if she

1251
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 6: was her her personality, she's she didn't. She was more

1252
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 6: of why do we have to keep scoring? Why does

1253
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 6: there have to be a winner? And I was like, well,

1254
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 6: that's the whole point of competing some people, But she,

1255
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 6: she was was. She was a good sister to have

1256
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 6: because we're like twenty months apart. So when I was

1257
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 6: playing basketball, she was playing basketball. When I was playing softball,

1258
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 6: she was playing softball. When I was playing football, she

1259
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 6: was playing football. I played ice hockey at our park.

1260
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 6: She played ice hockey at the park. So she was

1261
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 6: She was my first competitor, and my dad was my

1262
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 6: first coach. So so we've been close ever since and

1263
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 6: continue to be so I appreciate you asking about her.

1264
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 6: And then the pickup get Well, you guys have heard

1265
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 6: I don't know if you've heard this story. I've told

1266
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 6: it so many times about my sister asking me to

1267
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 6: take Barack to play pick up basketball and she was

1268
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 6: first dating. You guys haven't heard that story. All right,

1269
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 6: let me share it with you. So my sister, who

1270
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 6: you know, she had her shared dates and she went

1271
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 6: to Princeton too, so you know she she she was

1272
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 6: popular on campus and had boyfriends, but they never lasted

1273
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 6: too long. So we get out of college and I'm

1274
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 6: I went overseas, played, came back, started working. She meets

1275
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 6: this guy and she says, he fashions himself a basketball player,

1276
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 6: and well, what do you want me to do about it?

1277
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 6: And she said, I want I know how you and

1278
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 6: dad always talk about you can tell a guy's personality

1279
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 6: and character by pick up basketball, because my dad used

1280
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 6: to well and you guys know, you guys know these

1281
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 6: dudes to be calling files. He's like a jerk on

1282
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 6: the he's a jerk, and pick up he's a jerk

1283
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 6: in real light. And so my sister's like, would you

1284
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 6: take him to play? Iff was like, no way. First

1285
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 6: of all, I play with real dudes, you know, Like

1286
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 6: I'm in Chicago, I'm playing you know, Michael Jordan plays

1287
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 6: in our summer league, Tim Hardaway. I mean, I'm like

1288
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 6: a I'm a bona fide player. I'm like, he'll get killed. Yeah,

1289
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 6: I'm a real hooper. And She's like, come on, please,

1290
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 6: and just kept begging me, and I was like, finally, okay,

1291
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 6: I'll do it. And I was like, but I'm not

1292
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 6: gonna be your bad guy. You if this dude turns

1293
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 6: out to be a jerk, you gotta I'm not saying,

1294
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 6: you have to say it. So I put together a

1295
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 6: group of my friends. A couple of my friends Aren'tie Duncan,

1296
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 6: who you guys probably have heard of, was former secretary

1297
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 6: of Education, and John Rodgers, who runs a mutual fund

1298
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 6: in Chicago, and Marty Nesbitt and some other guys who

1299
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 6: are friends of mine. And we put together this game

1300
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 6: and we're playing, and Brock comes and you know, we're playing,

1301
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 6: and to my surprise, he wasn't that bad. But you know,

1302
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 6: not like us, not like the three of us. And

1303
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 6: I'm I'm I'm taking some liberties, including myself. But but

1304
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 6: but he he could hold his own in a pickup game, right, So,

1305
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 6: and and so I had to report back to my

1306
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 6: sister and she said, would you think? And I said, well,

1307
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 6: it was actually pretty good. Like he passed the ball

1308
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 6: when he should have passed, he took shots when he

1309
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 6: should have taken it. And I said, most importantly, he

1310
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 6: didn't try and suck up to me, like passing the

1311
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 6: ball to me. And just because I'm your sister, it's

1312
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 6: like it was like you know he was not noticeable.

1313
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 6: It was a good game, and that was how that

1314
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 6: he passed that test and the rest is history. We

1315
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 6: had no idea the guy was the guy was going

1316
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 6: to be present.

1317
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: Socause so pretty much so because of you is how

1318
00:57:58,640 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: the union formed.

1319
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 6: Is what you're saying, it's absolutely because, it's absolutely because

1320
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,959
Speaker 6: it because I could have just been like, the dude

1321
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 6: can't play. I don't know why you do this, little skin.

1322
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: Guy loving basketball is a beautiful thing. I love it.

1323
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: I love it.

1324
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: The state of college sports right now, the transfer portal, nil,

1325
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: the emergence of women's basketball. Let's start with the transfer portal.

1326
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 2: Seeing that you're first and foremost a father, so I

1327
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: know you're teaching your kids. You know when when tough,

1328
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: when adversity hits, you got to stand it and get

1329
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: through it. But then you've also been a coach, and

1330
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: I know a lot of coaches like getting those experienced

1331
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: players into portal.

1332
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: So talk to us about the portal.

1333
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 6: Well, I would say that the way the portal's currently constructed,

1334
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 6: along with the fact that they're doing nil and it

1335
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 6: started at the same time, it's not working the way

1336
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 6: they thought it was gonna work. It's turned into pay

1337
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 6: for play, right, And to your point about folks sticking

1338
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 6: it out when they have a tough time, it's too

1339
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 6: easy to just chase the money. So and the second thing,

1340
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 6: and most importantly, and folks are not talking about this enough,

1341
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 6: is that when you go into the portal, it's not

1342
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 6: like Steven Jackson Matt Barnes going to the portal, y'all

1343
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 6: gonna get picked up. It's Joe Blow. I'm not even

1344
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 6: gonna say Craig robinsons. Joe Blow from ex University with

1345
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 6: no prospects, and he's hoping somebody's gonna pick him up,

1346
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 6: and so he loses what he he loses his bird

1347
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 6: in the hand, go for two in the bush, and

1348
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 6: then he's out. And most of these see what they're

1349
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 6: not reporting on are the people who get stuck in

1350
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 6: the portal and don't have a home to go to.

1351
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: Well, they also said, I mean not to cut you off.

1352
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 2: There's over fifteen hundred kids in the transfer portal and

1353
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 2: a little bit over three hundred and fifty Division one

1354
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: program opening, you know what I mean.

1355
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: So it's just like, what are we the number? What

1356
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 1: are we doing?

1357
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 6: It's a numbers game, and so so here. You didn't

1358
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 6: cut me off because you're going right where I'm going

1359
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 6: with this. In addition to that, when you transfer, and

1360
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 6: you guys know this with your own kids and just

1361
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 6: reading the papers, these schools have different admissions policies, so

1362
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 6: not all your credits transfer. So so what I liked

1363
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 6: about having to set out a year, you all the

1364
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 6: all the athletes got ahead because you got taught to

1365
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 6: work on the on the work, and you had some

1366
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 6: time to get it, and then you got ahead, so

1367
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 6: you could you go to school in the summer and

1368
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 6: next thing you know, you're working on your graduate degree.

1369
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Speaker 6: All that's going to go out the window. And they're

1370
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 6: not talking about that because it's too soon to have

1371
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 6: any data on it. And I'm so sick of this

1372
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 6: whole data thing. I shouldn't say that, but you also

1373
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:53,919
Speaker 6: got sick. But you also got to think.

1374
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, on the basketball side, they're not

1375
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: going for that anyway, you know, which it's just a

1376
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: whole differ. And I remember Jack went straight to the pros.

1377
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: But I remember, you know, I was kind of the

1378
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: end of an era.

1379
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: You know, ninety six guys started going pro, ninety five

1380
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: scars started going pro. I'm ninety eight.

1381
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Speaker 2: So we went for the reasons you said. Obviously we

1382
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 2: you know, you couldn't tell us we weren't going to

1383
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: the pros. But we also went to get a degree.

1384
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 2: But those days are long gone. If you stay in

1385
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: the in college basketball, if you stay past two years,

1386
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: there's a problem with you.

1387
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1388
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 2: So it's just a whole different mentality and thinking what

1389
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: You can't fault the kids for thinking this way, because

1390
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: that's what that's what's going on.

1391
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: So they had that matt.

1392
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Speaker 6: To you, to you to your point. There are four

1393
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty jobs in the NBA. And really I

1394
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 6: always tell people after I worked in the NBA, because

1395
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 6: I was like, so, we're all the good players, they're

1396
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 6: all in the NBA. So and you you cut off,

1397
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 6: like the top eight guys are the ones who play.

1398
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 6: So that's eight times, that's two hundred and forty guys.

1399
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 6: The rest of the guys are expendable g league might

1400
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 6: get in, might not. So we're talking about a small

1401
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 6: chance of making it. And all these guys are putting

1402
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 6: putting all their eggs in one basket.

1403
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 4: I just don't like the way it is.

1404
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 6: And we're and we at the NABC are trying to

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01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 6: help with the coaches that are trying to help the

1406
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 6: n C double A come up with a better way

1407
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 6: for it. So I like the idea of folks being

1408
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 6: able to have some freedom. But the way this is

1409
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 6: currently constructed, it's it's not doing it's doing a disservice

1410
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 6: to the student athletes. And then there's one other point here.

1411
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 6: I don't think these are just student athletes trying saying

1412
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 6: all right, I'm gonna raise my hand and go in

1413
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 6: the portal. You know these these there are agents and

1414
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 6: handlers who are telling guys, oh, I can get you

1415
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 6: this amount of money, and they really don't have an offer.

1416
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: Or just like guys, go ahead, Jack. Yeah. I just

1417
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: want to give you two examples of the points you're making.

1418
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 3: You talked about credits and credits not transferring over to

1419
01:02:59,200 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: certain colleges.

1420
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: Don Staley had to create.

1421
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 3: She had to create not not She had to create

1422
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: a what's the word I'm looking for, Matt major. She

1423
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 3: had to create a major just to get this, just

1424
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 3: to get this player, and have the school create a

1425
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 3: major just where they can get this player. Until your

1426
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 3: other point, Prime Deon SAMs even said his daughter jumped

1427
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 3: in the transfer portal, and he called it dumb because

1428
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 3: to your point, why jump in the transfer portal when

1429
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 3: we don't have a school to go to?

1430
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: It makes no sense, you know what I'm saying.

1431
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 3: So that I just want to make points two great

1432
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 3: points of what you said, because Deon just said that

1433
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:32,919
Speaker 3: to us when we had him on the show.

1434
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: The emergence of women's basketball.

1435
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 2: You know, I was someone who played D one and

1436
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: played the tournament and I still feel like there's nothing

1437
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 2: like March Madness.

1438
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: But I feel like in the.

1439
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 2: Last two years, the women's March Madness has been bigger,

1440
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 2: uh and had more stars than the men's. Uh.

1441
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that as as a former division

1442
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: player and the.

1443
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 6: Coach, yeah, I will, and as a parent of adult. So,

1444
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 6: my my second oldest played at Princeton, got drafted, you know,

1445
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 6: went to the NCAA tournament, got drafted, got she got

1446
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 6: cut when Overseas played a couple of years now, she's

1447
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 6: working in finance, right. I think just it's it's it's

1448
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 6: just a matter of time the women the women's game

1449
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 6: has it's not the men's game, right, but it's caught

1450
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 6: up from a media it's catching up from a media standpoint,

1451
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 6: like it's getting enough attention from folks like you, folks

1452
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 6: like ESPN. That's all they needed is a little bit

1453
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 6: of that. And then I always said they needed those

1454
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 6: storytellers to tell the drama of what's going on in

1455
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 6: the women's game because as a sports fan, like you know,

1456
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 6: I watched football, I was a baseball fan growing up.

1457
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 6: You don't just root for your team. You root against

1458
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 6: the teams you don't your team doesn't like. And yeah,

1459
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 6: and I'm from Chicago, I'm rooted against the Packers I like.

1460
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 6: And now I live in Wisconsin and I'm like, oh

1461
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 6: my god, I must have done so they only know.

1462
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 6: But but I think that the attention that the game

1463
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 6: is getting is helping people. It's it's awakening people to

1464
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 6: another former competition that they weren't paying attention to because

1465
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 6: they it just wasn't being seen. And I'm really excited

1466
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 6: for what's going on because it's basketball for me, Like

1467
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 6: you know, I was made privy to a stat that

1468
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 6: I did not know the bulk the number one demographic

1469
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 6: of the fans who go to see the w n

1470
01:05:53,960 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 6: b A are black males. Really, yes, your reaction, it

1471
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 6: was my reaction if.

1472
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: They didn't expect that. But interesting, I.

1473
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 6: Didn't expect it either. I didn't expect it either. You know.

1474
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 6: I was thinking they would say something like LGBT something

1475
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 6: or other. But it is straight black male. And when

1476
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 6: you think about it, when I want to take my

1477
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 6: kids to a game that that's affordable, and I want

1478
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 6: to sit down.

1479
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 2: In front of the key word affordable.

1480
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 6: To a w NBA game, right. And then my two

1481
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 6: younger sons who are in eighth grade and sixth grade,

1482
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 6: they grew up watching their sister who and and I

1483
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 6: have an older son who played Division III college, but

1484
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 6: they all watch their sister play and she's their role model.

1485
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 6: It's like it's just a different time from women and

1486
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 6: it's it's happening. I'm really excited.

1487
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: For I love it. I love it. I love the growth.

1488
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 2: I love words going, the fact that at the top

1489
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 2: of the conversation, the fact that people are getting big

1490
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 2: time shoe deals now, and I definitely think.

1491
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: It's good overall for the growth of the sport.

1492
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,919
Speaker 2: Last question before we get you out of here, your

1493
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 2: thought on being again a former player and coach on

1494
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: the college landscape. The former professional NBA and particularly NFL

1495
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 2: guys that are coming back and starting to coach.

1496
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: College.

1497
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love it. I love it for a couple

1498
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 6: of reasons. One is, so many times, like when I

1499
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 6: was growing up, I never thought I could coach for

1500
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 6: a living, right, Like that wasn't that wasn't on my

1501
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 6: list of things, right, it was like be a teacher.

1502
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 6: You know, my families are full of teachers and cops

1503
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 6: and firemen, and you know, city workers and laborers and

1504
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 6: things like that. So just having the opportunity for young

1505
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 6: particularly African Americans as as a as a way to

1506
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 6: to get in the game is fantastic. And then secondly,

1507
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 6: you know what I what I learned in the NBA,

1508
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 6: and I'd love to get you guys take on this,

1509
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 6: But what I learned is the most important person in

1510
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 6: a pro franchise is the person who has the ability

1511
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 6: to connect with the players.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely and and.

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Speaker 6: And then sometimes that's becomes threatening, but that's another that's

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Speaker 6: for another show.

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Speaker 2: Because most of the time those are the assistant coaches,

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Speaker 2: and those.

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Speaker 6: Are the guys who can get through to the players

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01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 6: and help your team win and and and so the

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01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 6: more guys who have pro experience, who can get in

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01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 6: on the game and learn the coaching profession because a

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01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 6: lot of people don't realize you can't just like come

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Speaker 6: out and blow whistle and just say, okay, let's have

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01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 6: two lines for layups and then scrimmage right like, it's

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01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 6: a real profession. The more who can learn that profession,

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01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 6: the better it is for our game, and the better

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01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 6: it is for the players are student athletes, especially the players,

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01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 6: because most of our players are not going to the NBA,

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01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 6: they're not going pro. So hearing from the guys who

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Speaker 6: know how hard it is to do it. If you

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Speaker 6: if you want to sign up for that, that's great.

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01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 6: And if you don't, you understand what other stuff you

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Speaker 6: can do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely one thing I mean people don't understand. And

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01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 2: as we were talking earlier, the transfer portal and the

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01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 2: likeliness are going pro. Ninety nine percent of student athletes

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01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: don't go pro in sports. They may go pro in

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01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 2: another profession, but not in sports. So it's it's a

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Speaker 2: crazy number if you really think about the end of

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01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 2: the day. But Craig, we want to thank you man

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Speaker 2: for your time, best lessen the pod and everything else

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01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 2: you have going on. Give coach cal our best man.

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Speaker 2: And come back. We want to catch up with you again.

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01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely, and we want to have you guys on

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01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 6: so you can share some of your your life lessons.

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Speaker 1: You guys learned anytime? Have you any time?

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01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 6: Thanks, guys, really appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Craig.

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Speaker 2: We want to thank our guest today, Craig Robinson and

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01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 2: our brother Brandon Jennings. So, Jack, it was a good

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01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 2: one today, man, covered a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Good luck. What's next for you? Well?

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Speaker 3: Next, I got coaching the Alans game. And shout out

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01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 3: to my son Steve Jr. He made the classic. It's

1554
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 3: gonna be dope for him. A lot a lot of

1555
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 3: Cup Player, Cooper Flag and Mercy master Piece Sun, a

1556
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 3: lot of those guys supposed to be there. And shout

1557
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 3: out to AI and Bobby and all of them. But uh,

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Speaker 3: I'll see you in Miami.

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Speaker 2: I'll be in Atlanta before that, thumb. I'll be in

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01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 2: Atlanta the weekend before with the Twins.

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Speaker 1: Au Oh, I'll be there pulling up straight up.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 2: You can catch this unplugged on the Draft Kings Network

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01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 2: and all the all the Smoke Productions YouTube.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you guys next week