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Speaker 1: Hi in. Hello football fan, Gerald pal Dave Damaschik here

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Speaker 1: pro football and the game called life. The Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast Must talk More. Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. I am not Dan Hansas.

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Speaker 1: I'm Colleen Wolf and I employed by a room filled

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Speaker 1: with heroes, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal and get ready for it,

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Speaker 1: Lindsey Roads. We did it. We are like breaking down

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Speaker 1: barriers here. Unprecedented, I know. I mean, like, first we

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Speaker 1: find out that Harriet Tubman is going on the twenty bill.

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Speaker 1: Now there are two emails on one sports show at NFL.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is crazy. That's kind of like one

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Speaker 1: A and one right. Yeah, that's what I was thinking, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean Tubman violence, Haito Potato. Let's be honest. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Tubman news is big, but she's been past her

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Speaker 1: prime for a little while. You guys are on the way.

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Speaker 1: I'm the way up. I'm kidding. Of course, this is

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Speaker 1: a big, big day. You guys were legitimately excited. You

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Speaker 1: started like like yelling, like big day. This is crazy. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Dan and West feeling and massive tremor in the forest. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this could stick. We should say. Dan and Chris westling

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Speaker 1: Um aren't here today and they have been traded to

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Speaker 1: The Move. The Sticks Podcast's not going to be happy.

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Speaker 1: We just a one person show. Good news for them

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Speaker 1: who gave up the most in that trade, though we

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Speaker 1: like what we got alright, So I mean this is

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Speaker 1: the company now, so he took them away. I think

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Speaker 1: we're I think everyone's happy in this movie. I like

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Speaker 1: the move. I think it works out well for the podcast.

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Speaker 1: But DJ is especially excited about the draft prep that

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Speaker 1: Dan and West have done leading up to and Sessler,

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Speaker 1: I've noticed that you have a new shirt too, that's

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Speaker 1: only in our group. Would the fact because Our clothing

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Speaker 1: it is legit headline news. It's a simple, like low

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Speaker 1: broken down. Mark only has four shirts so aw far

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Speaker 1: why it really well we have so we've been on

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Speaker 1: exact clothing every single Oh my god, have you, however,

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Speaker 1: worn high socks? Oh? Let's I mean, Greg has really

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Speaker 1: fact that I was on Total Access last Friday, this

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Speaker 1: today in the game, and um, Brandon, are you gonna

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Speaker 1: it every time? Alright, So, wow, this was crazy. Yesterday

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Speaker 1: thrilled with the trade. My concern, if you're have you

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Speaker 1: I think it makes sense to bring in all of

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Speaker 1: that time frame, well, the Ramps have shown it's easier

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Speaker 1: It's hard to win titles and win playoff games often,

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Speaker 1: and you need great quarterbacks for that. And that sounds

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Speaker 1: they're gonna do that, do it. Do it. Don't have

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Speaker 1: someone in the building that's going, oh no, you gotta

429
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Speaker 1: go with your gut or something like that and fighting them.

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Speaker 1: Let them do it so that they can either sink

431
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Speaker 1: or swim. And we know that that their idea played out,

432
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Speaker 1: not that they weren't given a chance to actually do

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Speaker 1: what they wanted to do. Yeah, Yeah, and not in

434
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Speaker 1: itself as a victory for that team. What they do

435
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Speaker 1: with it, we'll see. But you're absolutely right. How weird

436
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Speaker 1: is that locker room going to be though in Philadelphia?

437
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Speaker 1: Oh my god? Because I think Sam Bradford does not

438
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Speaker 1: get traded or cut. I think Sam Bradford is their

439
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: stop gap and they're gonna sit Carson Wentz or whoever

440
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: it end up drafting, and that he's like the number

441
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Speaker 1: three this year and you've got Daniel as your backup,

442
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Speaker 1: and you've got an ideal situation for a quarterback that

443
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: teams all say it's best for a quarterback to come

444
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Speaker 1: into a situation where they don't have to start. I

445
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Speaker 1: think that they're going to give him that opportunity. But

446
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford in a leadership position on a football team

447
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 1: is going to be a lame duck. Yeah, And how

448
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: weird is that? And I think, like when you I

449
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 1: think Jimmy Kemski it was who tweeted out a picture

450
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Speaker 1: of the the actual lockers in the room, just like

451
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Speaker 1: the three of them right next to each other. How

452
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Speaker 1: weird it's going to be next year? And and the

453
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Speaker 1: fans they're so they're starving for a successful quarterback, that

454
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Speaker 1: the Eagles haven't won a playoff game since Donovan McNabb

455
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Speaker 1: was there, So you've gone through Kevin Cobb, Michael Vick,

456
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Speaker 1: Nick Foles, I mean, Sam Bradford. They need somebody there.

457
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Speaker 1: I was surprised that the fans didn't like I was

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Speaker 1: surprised the Browns fans seem to like this move, according

459
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Speaker 1: to uh some radio hosts that were on our air,

460
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Speaker 1: and that the Eagles fans did not like this move

461
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Speaker 1: because to me, the Eagles side of things is much

462
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Speaker 1: more exciting, but the Eagles fans seem to disagree. Yesterday,

463
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Speaker 1: this is the stupidest trade in the history of Literally,

464
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Speaker 1: my whole life is my mother and my family and

465
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Speaker 1: the Eagle. I love this team more than anything, and

466
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Speaker 1: I cannot believe that we gave up a first runner

467
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Speaker 1: from next year and a second rounder from for a

468
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Speaker 1: guy who has not even played Division one talent. I

469
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Speaker 1: just think we came up way too much for the commodity.

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Speaker 1: I agree with the first call. Things up. What's gonna happen?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know it was gonna be anarchy and

472
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia I would beyond furious. I had to really sit

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Speaker 1: down in a corner and keep myself from crying, and

474
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Speaker 1: I had to promise myself cry to the fans out

475
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Speaker 1: there on the national radio to make me look like

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Speaker 1: a girl. This is instead Wow fighty for w i P.

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Speaker 1: They did it again. So sometimes I will just like

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Speaker 1: listen to w i P Sports to work there. I

479
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: used to work there. That's actually where I started in sports,

480
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Speaker 1: and I don't know what show that was in particular,

481
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Speaker 1: but it really makes me miss home. Anarchy. It's true, though,

482
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Speaker 1: it will be anarchy in Philadelphia this I like that

483
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Speaker 1: the first caller was literally the character from Silver Linings playbook.

484
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Speaker 1: Absolutely well. I mean, honestly, this was the same fan

485
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Speaker 1: base that Boo Donovan McNab when he was drafted. So

486
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: maybe the FAZ they'll change their their tune will change

487
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Speaker 1: if Carson Wentz becomes that guy, and that that's very

488
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Speaker 1: much a possible. Their tune will change. If Sam Bradford

489
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Speaker 1: is the starter, then they'll love Carson Bradford. Throw one

490
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Speaker 1: interception and Carson Wentz will be the most popular guy

491
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Speaker 1: in town. So everybody's going to be crying for him immediately.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can almost guarantee that Chase Daniel continues

493
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Speaker 1: to make massive bank by just putting a football uniform

494
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Speaker 1: on and standing for three hours every Sunday while it

495
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Speaker 1: was it was tough out here, and I think that

496
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Speaker 1: was what was lost a little bit in the shuffle

497
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday was Chase Daniel nation of which I'm a

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Speaker 1: part of, Chase Montana bursting. I mean, it was tough.

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Speaker 1: It was a setback for a guy who we know

500
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Speaker 1: is going to become an all time great and has

501
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Speaker 1: just been waiting to make that leap since I wrote

502
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Speaker 1: Making the Leap piece about him in two thousand thirteen,

503
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Speaker 1: and I thought this was his chance. And I still

504
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: do think Brad fertile struggle. Daniel come in and he'll

505
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: have his moment in the sun soon. Montana fans out there,

506
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: don't sell your jersey. Don't worry. It's gonna happen. The

507
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Speaker 1: one good part about all of this, uh and the

508
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Speaker 1: stockpile of quarterbacks is that the Eagles have guaranteed that

509
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Speaker 1: they will not be last year's Cowboys. That's so true,

510
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Speaker 1: that's what you want to avoid. Who else? Who else?

511
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: Were winners here? Before we move RG three RG three

512
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Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. I mean, they could still draft to quarterback,

513
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: so that's a little bit TBD because you talk about

514
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Speaker 1: Bradford getting booed the mini he throws a pick. I mean,

515
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Speaker 1: that's gonna happen in Cleveland if there's a rookie sooner

516
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Speaker 1: there not so much of its account Josh McCown because

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Speaker 1: at this point, if they didn't draft the quarterback, I'm

518
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Speaker 1: starting to think maybe Josh McCown's their Week one starter.

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Speaker 1: I would trust him in a battle. I think maybe

520
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the Charge put that in his piece,

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Speaker 1: and he's right. I mean, if Dallas wanted one of

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, all right, not so great, but really a

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Speaker 1: lot of people did not. Most people don't feel like

524
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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks are the you best players in the draft.

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Speaker 1: So suddenly the Chargers and the Cowboys have a chance

526
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Speaker 1: to really address needs. Alright, so let's move on yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So that was surprised. Yesterday was just like a crazy

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Speaker 1: day one thing afternoon. I mean, it's serious. I felt

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Speaker 1: bad for for you guys doing all the posts and

530
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Speaker 1: everybody that all of a sudden had to just like

531
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Speaker 1: jump on and start doing all sorts of breaking news.

532
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Speaker 1: That's what we do and put us in the mind

533
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Speaker 1: of a you know, a television host hosting a live

534
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Speaker 1: what happened on your side? And this is dropping just

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Speaker 1: hours or an hour before you go, and you have

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Speaker 1: to blow up the whole. So I'm not gonna lie

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Speaker 1: because we were sort of anticipating that like something like

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Speaker 1: this might happen. We're talking about Josh Norman by the way,

539
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Speaker 1: the Panthers rescinding the tag. Yes, the Josh Norman thing

540
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: blew everything up because I was so excited that the

541
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Speaker 1: trade happened in the morning, Like when that happened, I

542
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Speaker 1: was like, we didn't We don't even have to rip

543
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Speaker 1: up the rundown. We can do the entire show around this.

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Speaker 1: We've got plenty of time to plan and structure the

545
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Speaker 1: chats accordingly, and then Josh Norman, boom, everything's out. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that that definitely throws everything. And that's really

547
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Speaker 1: aggressive with your producers. Richard as a cow, you know,

548
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: are you yelling? You know what happens? And I always

549
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Speaker 1: feel like I owe an apology at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day to like one or two people when things

551
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: get hit. I bring in that's happened? Is that whoever

552
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: is working the social media, like the what's trending wall

553
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. Those people come up

554
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: to me throughout the day, like pitching tweets like hey,

555
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: this guy just tweeted that, and I'm like, no, I

556
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: don't like that one. Yeah, that one's good. I can

557
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: do something take it away. And people who like so

558
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: throughout the day that's kind of our thing, right, And

559
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: then it gets to a certain point in the day

560
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Speaker 1: where they walk up to me and they go, do

561
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Speaker 1: you have a minute? And I go nope, and they

562
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: just go like okay and walk away. And that's how

563
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: it was yesterday. And at the end of the day,

564
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Speaker 1: I go, so that happened, and that happened, and I

565
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: need to go around and apologize to people because I'm

566
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Speaker 1: just like, don't talk to me now. So it happens,

567
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Speaker 1: especially like if you're planning a segment and then somebody

568
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: wants to come up and talk to you about a

569
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: segment that's like tomorrow, and you don't mean for that

570
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: stuff to happen, but it just kind of does. When

571
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: you're on deadline or newsome breathon. I give Lindsay a

572
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: lot of credit even before we even really knew you

573
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: at all, but you sat in the same space with

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Speaker 1: us back during like the Tim Tebow days, Lindsay was

575
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: the first person on newsroom to stand up at times

576
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: and just fight people and say, uh, well, you're not

577
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: doing another Tim Tebow segment. We're not doing it. And

578
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: she would get very vocal and it's but it's right

579
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: because it's you that has to sit there and sell

580
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: it like you're interested. Lindsey does a great job for

581
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: the fans battling the low hanging fruit. She does not

582
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Speaker 1: want to do the low hanging cheesy debate debate, and

583
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: it's a five line that you have to sort of

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Speaker 1: balance because you don't want to look like the high

585
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Speaker 1: maintenance person that's no, this is wrong and I don't

586
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Speaker 1: want to do that idea. But like at the same time,

587
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Speaker 1: it's like you don't want to be the person who's

588
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: sitting out there doing the Timo segment for the nineteen

589
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: time that said. For that reason, yesterday I was like giddy,

590
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Speaker 1: like a total nerd when I sat down at my desk, Like,

591
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: you guys are so many different things that we could

592
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: talk about. Chargers, we could go, Paxton Lynch, we could

593
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: go you know. It was like all of the different

594
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: levels of like legitimate things to talk about It was

595
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: so exciting. It was like Christmas Morning in terms of

596
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: news in the off season, because it was legit news

597
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: with many different layers, and there were so many different conversations.

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Speaker 1: But the Josh Norman thing that happened, and so now

599
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Speaker 1: he's an unrestricted free agent and he's hitting the market

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Speaker 1: six weeks after free agency happened. And you go back

601
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: to combine and Dave Gentleman said there, it doesn't make

602
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: sense to draft and develop players for other teams, right,

603
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: and Ron Rivera went even a step further, and he

604
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: said that he wasn't even concerned about the team paying him.

605
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: And now Rob Rivera says today, well, I guess I

606
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Speaker 1: just have to trust the g M. Well, yeah, if

607
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: you're a coach, you're going to be disappointing. This a

608
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Speaker 1: defensive coach who's built up this defense with superstars at

609
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: every level of the defense, and he just us this

610
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: superstar at cornerback. This is one of the most surprising

611
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: stories that we've had in the NFL, just in terms

612
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: of a pure business transaction. I think of the last six, seven,

613
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Speaker 1: ten years. First of all, you don't really see tags rescinded.

614
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Speaker 1: You certainly have we haven't seen in six years, and

615
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Speaker 1: that was for a guy Leroy Hill, and there's Corey

616
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Speaker 1: Siven before this. You don't see Leroy Hill, Gregg. You

617
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Speaker 1: don't see a top level player just become a free

618
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Speaker 1: agent in April. If Chris and I were doing our

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Speaker 1: top ninety nine free agents in March and Josh Norman

620
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Speaker 1: was available, he would have been number one easily. He's

621
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Speaker 1: in his prime starting cornerback and he's looking for Darrell

622
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Speaker 1: Revus money. I don't know if he's gonna get Darrell

623
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Speaker 1: Rivus money. I think that's an open question. But for

624
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Speaker 1: the Panthers to just say, now, we don't really like

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00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: how you're approaching this contract situation. We want to avoid

626
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: any distraction, like we'll see you like that is unprecedented.

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to know what else happened there

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. I feel like I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: got to be something else. I mean, unless it's just

630
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Speaker 1: they didn't want to spend that kind of money on

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Speaker 1: a one year lease for him. I just look a

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Speaker 1: gettleman just spent three years trying to get out of

633
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: the cap hell that he was dealt when he took

634
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: the job, and he kept saying there's gonna be tough

635
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 1: decisions every season. They let Steve Smith go, you know,

636
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: not entirely because of money, but a lot to do

637
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: with that, and in general having to you know, that

638
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: position is not a position that they've handed out. The

639
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: Gettlman's hand a lot of cash to and Norman's asking

640
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: price started to become outrageous for a guy that frankly

641
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Speaker 1: has had one great season, right, I mean they he's

642
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: had one great year, and at cornerback, we've seen these

643
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: guys that call themselves the best cornerback of all time

644
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: and two years later than not even in the top

645
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: five when we talk about those discussions. So you have

646
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: to be absolutely sure that he is Darryl Green part two.

647
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: If you're gonna hand that kind of money out and

648
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: Gettleman in a way, it's not it's painful for the fans,

649
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: but it might have been a smart decision. Well. As

650
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: Eric Davis said on Total Access last night, and he

651
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: certainly knows more about playing the position and the Panthers

652
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: defense than I. He said, um that it's not a

653
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: corner based defense, so it's not everything doesn't stem from

654
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: the corner, so it doesn't make that much sense. To

655
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: put all of your money in the corner on your defense.

656
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan defense would right. And so I made some

657
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: calls after work because I was like, we're missing something here.

658
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. He's so good, why would

659
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: you do this? Is like it going to come out

660
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: that he was arrested or is he do you guys

661
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: on the team not like him? Or is there some

662
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: more stuff going on here? And all I heard was

663
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: that he's great. We like him. Uh, everybody likes him there.

664
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: The problem was legitimately they thought, um what Gettleman said

665
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: it was, and that they were he maybe not going

666
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: to come to a long term deal, and they thought

667
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: that Josh was enough of a wild card personality that

668
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: he might actually take a holdout pretty far like through

669
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: maybe even into the season. And this is a team.

670
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: And we heard Jared Allen say this when he came

671
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: through about a month ago after his retirement. He said,

672
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: and he's been on so many teams, Jared Allen, uh

673
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: that this was the most special locker room that he'd

674
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: ever been in. That there was a no drama, like

675
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: no drama at all. And I've heard that from a

676
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: few different people to play on that team, that it

677
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: was like weirdly cool in that locker room last year.

678
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: Well you could tell to just based on all of

679
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: their shenanigans on the sideline. We hated, we like to

680
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: hate on it, but at the same time, it's like, oh,

681
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: that's so cool, why can't my team be doing that?

682
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: If you want to carry that over into next season,

683
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: then it would be weird and distracting and maybe throw

684
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: a wrench in the good vibes of that room. If

685
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: you have to answer questions about Josh Norman or if

686
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: he's doing sit ups in his driveway, well, and they

687
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: just don't think they think he was good enough to

688
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: pay eleven twelve million dollars, but I don't think they

689
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: believe he's irreplaceable. There. There was a great piece by

690
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: Football Outsiders in their annual book going into last year.

691
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: This is before last year that basically the secrets sauce

692
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: of what the Panthers have been able to do is

693
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: develop a secondary with putting almost no resources into it.

694
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: That they change players every year, and these guys like

695
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: Ben Wabe, been Wickery or Charles Tillman who was washed

696
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: up at this point of his career. They stick all

697
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: these guys in and they've had great secondaries year after

698
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: year despite changing names. Josh Norman was a guy we

699
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: didn't even know about two years ago. They coach it up,

700
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: they get pressure up front, and they've managed to avoid

701
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: spending lots and lots of money in the secondary, and they,

702
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: I think, believe in that well, and Gettleman certainly does.

703
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: Gettleman's theory is defensive line and quarterback, and that front

704
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: seven is part of the reason that someone like Josh

705
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: Norman succeeds. It's also because he's extremely talented, not at

706
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: the price tag, but it's two Super Bowl gms this

707
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: offseason that have had to make a series of very

708
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: difficult choices. And the point is, do you trust Getleman

709
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: up to now and what he's done with this team? Personally?

710
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: I do, And this is I think you can't throw

711
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: your cap back into the situation it was in just

712
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: a few years ago. And did you guys see what

713
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson tweeted out yesterday? And then wait, so he tweeted,

714
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: know you're worth definitely throwing shade right at Josh Norman

715
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: here and then he deleted it and he said, not

716
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: my style, So I decided he then he tweeted that

717
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: he did delete it said not my style, so I

718
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: decided to delete positive vibes only hashtag don't press send,

719
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: think loud. There's a lot of shade thrown at Josh Norman.

720
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: I think other cornerbacks don't think he's really that good,

721
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: and he didn't play as well in the second half

722
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: last season. I don't think they think he has the

723
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: sort of skill set that plus that position group they

724
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: love to go at each other, right, I mean every

725
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: offseason cornerbacks talking about corner I mean they that might

726
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: be the biggest, like maybe behind wide receiver. That's probably

727
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: the biggest diva position in the league, I'd say, And

728
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: for that reason, I this is neither here nor there,

729
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: but you might find it interesting when he When Josh

730
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: Norman came through Total Access a month ago, I was

731
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: so surprised, becaus I thought he was going to be

732
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: a diva based on his play on the field, his

733
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: swag and all that kind of stuff. And frankly, I

734
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: liked his swag on the field. I'm like footba, I'm

735
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: pro Norman, So it wasn't going to throw me off

736
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But I was expecting him to

737
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: be a bit of a diva. He was one of

738
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: the most unassuming, just chill guys that has come through

739
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: Total Access. You have a lot of like smaller names

740
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: that come through that throw out a lot of attitude,

741
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,479
Speaker 1: and you're like, do you have any idea how many

742
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: people come through here on a daily basis? And then

743
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: Josh Norman rolled through and he was like, Hey, good

744
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: to see you, and You're like, we haven't met, but

745
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate the enthusiasm. I appreciate that because he attacked

746
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: me on Twitter early last season when I made a

747
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: horrible prediction that was incorrect, and he was correct to, uh,

748
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, take me to task for it. But that

749
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: changes my impression. Sound was just an anti diva in

750
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: my experience, and I was surprised by that. Greg and

751
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: Colleen over there right, I worry, we'll keep the show going.

752
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: We have to bail out of the studio a little,

753
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: a little quicker than we expected. Can we do landing spots? Yeah?

754
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: We can just talk real quickly about like, is another

755
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: team gonna see him as that top player? I mean,

756
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: that's an open question. And I wouldn't be totally stunned

757
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: if he returned to Carolina I'd be a little surprised,

758
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't totally shock me if the best deal

759
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: out there is still from Carolina. Any returned, but early

760
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: we're hearing what San Francisco. I think San Francisco is

761
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: a great spot because they have over fifty million dollars

762
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: in cap room, so they have the money, and they,

763
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: as Mark mentioned in our now Hit today, they've been

764
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: so quiet and free agency. It's been like kind of boring,

765
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: so they could use a splash. Plus, they really need

766
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: a guy in that secondary too, because their starters are

767
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: Kenneth Acker and Tremaine Brock, but they need so many

768
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: things that if I'm Josh Norman, why would I go

769
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: play there. Let's essentially be the rebuilding piece. Yeah, I

770
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: mean he's got a choice in at this time, it's

771
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: not where do we trade him. I mean, if you

772
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: want to look at a defense that's up and coming,

773
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears, I mean they've got they've got some

774
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: money to play with, not as much as the Niners,

775
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: but they certainly have a need at the position, and

776
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: I think Vic Fangio is starting at every level of

777
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: defense in Chicago. There are parts in place, and Norman

778
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: would make that a very interesting unit to watch. Rappaport

779
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: listed uh some teams that were interested, and he left

780
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: the Rams off the list. And I'm to why that is,

781
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 1: because since they who do you have there? Who? He said, Bucks, Titans, Jaguars, Bears,

782
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: and Redskins were among the teams that were interested. I

783
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: don't know if that's just that the Rams don't have

784
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: money or because I don't know, I like that there.

785
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean they put you know, they've spent money at

786
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: that position. They also lost Genorris Jenkins. I think the Jaguars,

787
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: if they really want to go for it, because that

788
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good things happening in Jacksonville with

789
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: the coach and GM. If things go towards are horribly

790
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: wrong again and they go to and fourteen, they could

791
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: be out. And so maybe you just make that final

792
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: push Jacksonville Jaguars add Norman to that defense, that would

793
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: be there would be a lot of new faces there.

794
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: They just have so much money they feel like they

795
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: just want to spend it all. Right now, what is

796
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: happening over there, We're trying to figure out. We gotta

797
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: get out, we gotta abort, abort. I think I think

798
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: they out of the two females on one show, and

799
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: they're like, this ended. I can't do that. A lot

800
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: of shadowy League figures behind the glass. I'm seeing this

801
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: was a revolution that was started. I just got TD

802
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: in my ear saying I'm a big fan of this, Colleen.

803
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: So if you're a big, if you're such a big

804
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: I think I think we're wrapping up. We gotta wrap up.

805
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: What are we back? What are you guys back again?

806
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: We will be back on Monday, all right, on Monday.

807
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: So that is it. This has been real, guys, this

808
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: has been super fun. Um So let's uh, let's end it.

809
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: Then let's do it for clients, for the boss, for

810
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: the lensmeister. I think that's maybe your I don't know

811
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: that my day. By the time we got to the

812
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: end of the set when you did do Purple Rain,

813
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: that was one of those times where things just worked

814
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 1: magically and there's nothing you can do but just say

815
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: thank you. I've never been to calls you. I've never

816
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: been to calls you in pain. I want one tap

817
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: see you, let them be a little feel see leaven

818
00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: in the rain. Fo h, Brady, that's all right, Come on,

819
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: y'all made for boys. Don't you feel good? I only

820
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: want to see you, see you. Can I play this

821
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: guitar