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Speaker 2: And yeah, we've given most of.

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Speaker 1: Our adult lives to working for the US government and

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Speaker 2: And this is how they pay us.

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Speaker 3: From Futuro Media and PRX, it's Latino USA. I'm Maria

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Speaker 3: in Josa. Today we visit a family in Texas. Dreading

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Speaker 3: something President Biden said, they would no longer fear border

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Speaker 3: wall construction. For years during the Trump administration, the Cavazos

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Speaker 3: family had to fight in court to avoid border wall

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Speaker 4: The Secretary of Homeland Security, working with myself and my.

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Speaker 5: Staff, will begin immediate construction of.

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Speaker 2: A border wall.

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Speaker 3: The Cavazos felt really hopeless, but then a month after

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Speaker 3: becoming the Democratic presidential nominee, Joe Biden said something that

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Speaker 4: There will not be another foot of wall constructed on

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Speaker 3: Biden was also emphatic about land confiscations for the border wall.

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Speaker 4: And stop done over, not going to do it. Withdraw

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Speaker 4: the lawsuits, we're out, We're not going to confiscate the land.

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Speaker 3: Nonetheless, seven months into Biden's presidency, the federal government continues

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Speaker 3: to condemn private property for border wall projects. So did

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Speaker 3: Biden break his promise? Latino USA producer Renaldo Lanos Junior

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Speaker 3: is based in the Rio Grande Valley of South Texas.

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Speaker 3: He's going to pick up the story from there.

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Speaker 5: I recently visited cousins ray Alsan Lua and Fred Gavassos.

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Speaker 5: As we talk, they're sitting together near the Rio Grande

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Speaker 5: in Mission, Texas, on property their family has owned for generations.

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Speaker 1: Now, this land here, our grandmother actually acquired it in

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Speaker 5: That was Ray He says. Family has also owned other

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Speaker 1: We have very deep roots here, and we also have

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Speaker 2: Most of our youth here.

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Speaker 5: Fred says. Here in Mission, they own more than sixty

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Speaker 6: Most of the tenants that I have been here for

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Speaker 5: That's one of the ways they make a living, and

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Speaker 1: And we never signed any documentation. And then the other

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Speaker 1: You know, we need your land for a border wall,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to take a first They said only

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Speaker 5: Last December, before Biden took office, the government filed for

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Speaker 5: it underwent a review. The proclamation says that the federal

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Speaker 5: Biden also later said that no military funds would be

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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, because the proclamation did not mention the eminent domain cases,

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Speaker 5: That's Ricky Garza. He's an attorney with the Texas Civil

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Speaker 7: We filed a second extension, saying nothing has been developed.

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Speaker 7: It's the government has pledged to do it soon. Please

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Speaker 5: Court, however, denied them this extension and they were ordered

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Speaker 7: Before we logged onto the zoom call, there was an

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Speaker 5: This was shocking to the Gobaso's family and to Ricky.

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Speaker 5: He says, there was a lot that the government could

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Speaker 7: It's something that could still be reversed if the Biden

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Speaker 7: resolution is simple. There is a it's called a motion

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Speaker 7: Essentially just you know, saying, Judge, we give up and

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Speaker 5: Ray doesn't hide his disappointment either.

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Speaker 1: So we were kind of hoping that Joe Biden would

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Speaker 2: And here they come. You know, they confiscated the land.

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Speaker 1: Now we haven't gotten anything in writing yet, but the

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Speaker 5: They are already surrounded by nearby border wall. They aren't alone.

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Speaker 5: There's been dozens of land condemnation lawsuits against landowners in

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Speaker 8: Nina's case, like so many other cases, is kind of

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Speaker 5: Not that's David Donati. He's a staff attorney with the

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Speaker 5: It's counseling neither Alvarez, the woman he referred to. She

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Speaker 8: There's nothing that's being demanded of Naida at this time.

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Speaker 8: The government isn't saying we want to come onto your property,

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Speaker 8: we want to take it. But with that being said,

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Speaker 8: they haven't withdrawn the lawsuit. They haven't given her the

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Speaker 5: Still, David says, there are other cases that are being

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Speaker 8: We would like a concrete commitment to not carry forward

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Speaker 8: so a definitive statement these cases are done. We would

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Speaker 8: cases we're not moving forward. We don't intend to condemn

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Speaker 8: We are canceling these cases.

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Speaker 5: Ricky shares the urge for more clarity.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's hard for us to feel patience when

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Speaker 7: just this inaction that has left everything in place. If

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Speaker 5: While Biden has said no more military funds would be

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Speaker 7: We have gone too long treating the border as something

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Speaker 7: So I think that's it's a world without border patrol,

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Speaker 5: Ricky says. This reimagining includes the idea that border communities

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Speaker 7: We are not a sacrifice zone, and we need to

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Speaker 5: Back at the Caabaso's property races, all the rhetoric about

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Speaker 1: I'm seventy six years old and I have seen this

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Speaker 5: He also says he feels betrayed by his government. He

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Speaker 2: And this is how they pay us.

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Speaker 5: The Coastle's family is not sure what their future holds

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Speaker 5: when it comes to the border wall, and recently, their

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Speaker 5: Governor Greg Abbott has said he plans to build a

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Speaker 5: We reached out to the Department of Homeland Security and

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Speaker 5: to withdraw the lawsuit against the Kavasso's family and other

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Speaker 5: I mean, just how are you feeling right now? Dude?

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Speaker 5: There's a snake right there that is a big stake

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Speaker 5: that's coming up the tree, just living its life. It's

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Speaker 5: just living its life right now.

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Speaker 3: I'm Maria no Hossa.

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Speaker 5: Next time on Latino USA.

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Speaker 3: Inside the writer's room with the creators of the TV

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Speaker 3: shows Pose and Hintified. We're going to dissect what Latino

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Speaker 3: representation looks like on the screen, scene by scene.

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Speaker 4: We historically haven't been able to tell our own narratives.

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Speaker 4: It's always been through the white lens, and so the

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Speaker 4: story's been told incorrectly.

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Speaker 3: That's next time on Latino USA and