WEBVTT - The Odyssey Roundtable: Box Office, MVPs, and Was That Really Athena? 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:05.320 Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:25.120 in Imax See It Now. Hello, my name is Jason kccepcion. Hell, 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.520 I'm rosy Nate and welcome back to the Extra division 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.200 of the podcast, where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies. 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.480 Comics, and pop culture. Company from I Heart, we'll bring 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:33.520 you three episodes a week. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:35.599 Lass. 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:40.760 In today's episode, we are joined by super producers Aboo 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.800 and Joel to talk about seeing the Odyssey the way 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:45.440 Nolan intended. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:50.480 On a big, big screen. We will also be talking about. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.280 Box office review, audience theories, and what's that really athena 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.200 question Mark and production notes. Guys, we will be at 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.560 San Diego Comic Con on Sunday, July twenty sixth. We 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.920 will have a special news episode where we react to 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:05.880 all those trailers, announcements and reveals from Comic Con Week. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:13.319 And Okay, the honysty round to table. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:18.560 First, let's welcome super producers Aboo, Aboo, how are you? 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.360 I'm great, very excited to go on our own personal 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:22.560 odyssey on this episode. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.880 And Joel to the podcast Joel, how are you hotty? 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.680 Team, I'm elited. We saw a masterfiece and now we 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:33.320 get to talk about it. It's like the best kind 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:34.000 of podcasting. 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:38.600 Let's let's quickly set the table with some numbers. So 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.840 The Honesty opened last weekend. We were recording this Monday. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:49.240 It is a hit currently over just under four thousand 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:51.400 theaters in the US one hundred and twenty four point 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:55.000 five million, Nolan's biggest domestic debut since The Dark Night 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.000 Rizzz one hundred and. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:59.680 Sixty million back in the day. 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.680 International markets, that's one hundred and thirty nine point six 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.480 million in seventy two different markets, so two hundred and 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:11.520 sixty four point one million global. No one's biggest global 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.400 opening ever, ahead of The Dark Knight Rises, which was 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.320 two hundred and forty nine million adjusted Oppenheimer just one 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.600 hundred and eighty million, so the third largest opening of 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.680 twenty twenty six. Per available data, the weekly chart shows 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.640 Odyssey at number one, one hundred and twenty four point 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:32.120 five million, followed by The The. 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:35.200 Bedraggled and Bemoaned Mowana. 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.800 Live Actually yea Yeah Rock looking as bad as. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:44.359 The bomb is horrendous, The Rock, the Juiceless Rock failed. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:53.600 He changed the power power dynamics of the box office negatively. 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.400 So huge, huge movie. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:04.000 And let's discuss our top line thoughts the Odyssey a Boo. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:04.760 Let's start with you. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:09.640 My top lane thoughts are that it's amazing, it's a 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.040 near masterpiece. I hesitate to call it a masterpiece like 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.600 many other folks out there are calling it. I think 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:17.960 it is a great film. I think it is one 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.840 of Nolan's best films. I would also argue not his best, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.919 but one of And I had a great time. I 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:32.800 visually incredible story, incredible music, absolutely floored, like actually literally 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.080 shook my seat because the theater was so loud. But 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.200 the music just my heart was pounding at moments, and 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.240 I like, I could feel my heart pounding along with 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:46.760 the music. Really incredible. I think, just a true achievement. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:51.480 And I'm so glad that the box office is doing well. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.080 I think, obviously Nolan is a superstar director and he 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.880 was going to get a good box office regardless. But 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.920 to see it get a great box office makes me 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:02.840 very happy because I want more movies like this in 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:03.280 the future. 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:11.720 Joelle, I stand by masterpiece in that a masterpiece for me, anyway, 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:17.560 is sort of defined by an artist canon of work 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.719 and where it stands amongst that can. This is everything 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:26.159 Nolan has ever tried to do on film realized right, 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.000 and women get to be a part of it. I 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.280 have notes, I have notes. I have notes on how 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:32.960 the women are a part of it and how much 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:34.840 they get to be a part of it. But they're there. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:40.240 It's amazing and I think too, just from a growth perspective, 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.360 like no one's doing real monster work. He went talked 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:46.279 to Del Toro a lot. He's always been great with stunts, 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.960 but whenever you add water, ask any production, that's like 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.679 it's just risk incarnate. He's shooting on location, y'all, climbing 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:58.080 mountains to make movies. Like if you're a lover of cinema, 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.279 there's so much like Nolan gifts back like it's the 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.880 best of the best in every category, like right down 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.960 to your gaffers all the way up to like your 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:12.680 producers and your actors. And like the close up of 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.880 Anne Hathaway the rack Focus Puller Award. I don't know 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.360 who did to do that, and not a ninety foot film. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.320 She's rocking back and forth and close up and that 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.280 is never out of like focus. That's incredible. That is real, 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.760 like a master at work, and I think to be 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:34.520 able to see that in every single frame is incredibly rare, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.880 as this film feels like such a gift. I mean 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.159 to the point that, like if you saw the Dune preview, 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.680 like Denny writes a note to the audience, He's like, 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.520 with so much respect to Christopher Nolan, I'm STI glad 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.080 I get to present to you June three, and you're like, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:49.640 wait a minute. 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:51.200 They're just such. 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:55.800 Gravitas sprinkled over this film, and I think it's earned 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.120 and then justified again and again throughout the film. I 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.360 don't think it's perfect by any means. I have lots 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.200 of notes, but I fucking loved this movie. 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:09.640 What format? Discuss format? What format? Did we see it in? 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.000 Rosie and I saw it in the Imax seventy mins. 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.640 We saw it in the full Imax, which is like 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.800 as big as you can get it? And that was Joel, 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:23.360 you saw in the screening that was technically seven emilimis Imax, right. 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.680 Yes, yes, so I saw I seen it twice at 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.280 two separate theaters. I saw it at the City Walk 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.200 that's the tall one, and then I saw it in 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.400 the TCL. I do hate it I don't think the 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.039 room is the right size, but then I saw at 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.360 the TCL, which is the right size. I room in 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.400 old nine hundred people and it's got a wider screen 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.760 than tall, but if you sit in the middle, you 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:47.080 feel fully enveloped. And I loved it. I loved it. 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.679 I've talked to several people who saw it in thirty five, 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.560 and our experiences were really different coming out of the screen. 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.960 I'm a believer that format matters. I do think it matters. 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:58.360 How did you see it? 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.880 I always saw it at the press screening, so I've 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.120 only seen it once so far, and I believe the 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:07.560 press screening here in New York was i'max, not seventy millimeters. 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.040 I couldn't get into the seventy millimeter one. And I'm 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:11.760 waiting to see it again because I want to see 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.080 it in true seventy millimeters i'm ax, like at Lincoln 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.400 Center here in New York, and that is like it's 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.320 like sold out for weeks, so who knows when I 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.560 will actually be able to snag a ticket and go 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.560 see it. But I really want to see it again 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.120 the second time, but I want to see it properly. 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:33.000 Who is our MVP of this movie, non Odysseus version. Oh, 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:37.960 I have I have thoughts, I have many thoughts. But 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:41.000 I'm but I'm I'm here to hear as the round 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.480 table stocks Rosie your MVP nan Odysseus. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.080 MVP of the movie. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.120 I think for me, I mean, this is not going 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.200 to be a surprise one because I think this is 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.160 a generally accepted answer, and too because I was already 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.240 a fan of this person. But I do think it's 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.560 the antinous performance. I think that. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.440 Is so funny. He's so weird. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.240 He encompasses what's great about the movie, which is this 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:12.200 balance between that high camp of the fifties, golden era 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.840 of kind of Hollywood, which is, you know, the moments 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.120 where he's hiding behind the pillar, kind. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:18.440 Of screaming sword sword. 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.480 You get him, but like not going himself, and but 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:25.680 he also manages to be genuinely scary. The stuff with 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.400 Telemachus doesn't or or how do they they be saying 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:29.840 it funny? 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:38.920 Yeah, hell Marcus, but they. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:48.640 All of us start vocal stemming that stuff doesn't work 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.760 if you don't have rob as like a really good villain. 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.720 And also, I think the other thing I love about 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.960 him is he brings out greatness in other performances like 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.360 his his co suitor, those were such petty haters, like 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.840 they have that own following Toggins. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.120 Yes, yes, so good. 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.920 And then you know with Anne Hathaway as Penelope like this, 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.400 she's so different when they're together, and obviously with Tom 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.079 Holland so I think for me he's he really stood out. 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.080 But there's I think you could really pick any of 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.280 the cost from people who have two minutes to people 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.200 who are on screen the whole time, and you could 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.080 make an argument for a lot of them. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:25.320 Aboo, who is your MVP? 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.480 Yeah, noan Odissey is. I mean, as a dog lover, 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.080 my MVP is always going to be the dog shouts 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.360 to my guy waiting twenty years to see his dad. 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:38.719 That's gonna just I don't care how sappy that is. 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.120 That's gonna get me every time. My real answer, though, 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:47.520 is definitely who plays her. Samantha Morton as Circe. I 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.960 love sequence just start to finish. She's so I couldn't 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:56.200 look away, and it was also exactly what I wanted 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:00.920 and at the same time totally surprising, and I everything 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.760 she was bringing to the screen. I think I thought 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.960 she brought the exact right kind of Circe to the screen. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.120 You know, I think you could have leaned to like 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.880 hot babe Circe by casting someone like younger and hotter, 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.440 and I think that would have been a weird take 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:16.880 on it. But you also could have leaned too far 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:22.200 into like old Crone, like ugly, gross old lady Circe, 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.000 and that would have been the wrong take on it too. 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.679 And this I think struck a really good balance. And 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.480 the reason this was an MVP moment character for me 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:35.480 is because I left the theater being like, I need 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:40.400 a Surce movie. And if a few minutes Samantha Bordon 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.679 had on screen convinced me that I need a whole 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.880 two hour movie with her, she did it. Then she 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:45.520 did a great jo. 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:50.960 Yes, Chloe pick Malan Mill's book, Let's Go, Jason May. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.160 I just want to insulute with the nrty fact that 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.280 I learned from watching a video that is relevant to 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:55.880 that scene. 0:10:56.080 --> 0:11:00.480 Himesh Patel was talking with Waterstones. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.480 Or something I believe about the food eat ink scene 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.400 right often how he was like, was it hard to eat? 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:06.360 Was it not hard to eat? 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.959 But what he revealed is that every most well, he 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.240 said everything, but I'm sure that it's predominant. He said 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.120 he saw all of the stuff of her transforming them. 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.640 That was all practical. So when she was pulling the faces, 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.160 when she was molding them, that was all done in 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.400 front of him and he really saw it, which makes 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.479 that sequence even more unbelievable. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.680 Of the Madeline Miller Sercey book too, And I feel 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.280 like I got a little bit of that in this movie. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:38.200 Yeah, d percent, Okay, this is like the hardest question 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.320 to be honest, because there's so many people who. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.280 There's so many everybody is crushing it in this movie. 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:49.040 So I speaking a genuine I think Himysh Mattel is 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:54.760 a personal MVP. He is such a good counter to Odysseus, 0:11:55.080 --> 0:12:00.480 and then he's also so fine. I was just like 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.880 the whole like, sorry to objectify that man, but what 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:03.160 is that? 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:06.800 For ten years? What's going on here? 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:07.200 Yeah? 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.000 The oil caid never ran out. He was fully prepared. 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.040 But I think I think the movies MVP is John 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:20.200 like Wizama. I think like Yumas is tricky right because 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.000 he's gotta be a fierce warrior, but he's also somebody 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:27.600 who's adjusting to a disability. He's also somebody who's like 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.600 trying to train up this kid, but who doesn't have 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.439 like a high status amongst the like royalty. Like it's 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.720 it's a lot of layers to try to portray. And 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:40.240 I think he's also the only person truly in the 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.760 cast who exemplifies Zeus's law, Like if you look at 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.160 everybody's like actions, he's really the only one who's consistently 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.959 holding it up. Don't even get it out of Telemachus, 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.199 you know, he's sort of there, but then he's fighting 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.280 with his mom and like running off and not really 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.600 thinking about the kingdom. Like mom's kind of their penelope. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.880 She's whole holding it down. But he's got her own 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:03.800 like situation to figure out with all of these damn 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.560 suitors and her son is an asshole. Uh, Like there's 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.760 just a lot going on. He's the only one who's 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.719 kind of anchoring this idea of like what does it 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.800 mean to follow Zes's law? And then John plays him 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.839 with such heart and such gravitas, and I really feel 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.440 like he understood what movie he was in. Like to 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.080 your point, what Robert Pattinson does so well is like 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.079 the old Hollywood style of acting. I think John taps 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.840 into that as well, and it's so, so, so excellent. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.760 What about you, Jason, Do you have an MVP? 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:40.480 My MVP when I have a real MVP? That is 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.000 like the version of my question that I asked, who 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.280 I guess my MVP. I was also gonna play Samantha Morton. 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:47.359 I think she's incredible. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.040 It's incredible just. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:56.800 Even the way she pitches her voice is so crone like, 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.520 but also there's a warmth beneath the crone like manner. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.600 But I'm gonna I was gonna go with I'm gonna 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:12.880 go with Elliott Page as the Greek soldier who is 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:18.520 tasked with telling the Trojans what the horse is and 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:25.240 essentially being like the propaganda deliverer of this Greek psyop 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:29.600 to deliver the secret like ambush weapon into the heart 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:33.600 of the city, and obviously sinn on his lie to 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.880 is not told the truth of what it is. Is 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:38.880 also like kind of like not supposed to be there, 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:44.880 like took the place of uh Antonius because Antonius is 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.720 rich and paid another person to go his family's or 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.040 but he wanted to go to be fair to him, 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:55.720 he wanted he did want to go but zooming out. 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:56.680 It's really. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:03.000 It's Nolan's like longtime casting director John pap Sidera and 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.400 Nolan in general, because I think, and we talked about 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:11.240 this in our original just Reaction to the Odyssey, I 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:16.160 think Nolan is doing something really creative and fascinating in 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:23.640 the way that he plays off of the audience's understanding 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.600 of these people who are playing the characters. And I 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.440 think we're doing it in a fascinating way and in 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.720 a way that I don't think I've ever seen another 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.600 director do it like this. And I understand that it 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.240 seems like I'm reading a level of intentionality into it, 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.720 but I don't think I am. And we talked about this, 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.600 but like, just to go from the top, Matt Damon 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:51.440 breaks out as a young whipper snapper boy genius in 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:57.960 Goodwill Hunting, and this all culminates thirty plus years later 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:03.360 in him playing the Elder Genius, an older, middle aged 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:07.800 man genius within the Greek Army. Everybody says he was, 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.880 you know, the cleverest of the generals, the most wily 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.760 of the generals, and here he is playing on that 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:21.160 earlier kind of explosion into the public mind and playing 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:26.240 a more tortured genius, someone who is very clever but 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:30.320 is now like bearing the weight of his own cleverness 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.280 and what it is unleashed into the world. You have 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:38.480 Charlie Stern, who's spoken a lot in many interviews recently 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.200 about being single and being single by choice and not 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.200 wanting to date and you know, certainly not being able 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:48.280 to date within Hollywood and entertainment circles. And here she 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:53.640 is playing a drop dead gorgeous single woman who ends 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.000 up single at the end of it after having a 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:58.920 Hollywood relationship, you know, with Matt. 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.160 You know, like you know what I mean, like happily 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:05.040 ever aft, like yes, you know stifashion. 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:09.080 We have Tom Holland, who is most known in the 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:14.600 public mind for playing a perpetual teenager in Peter Parker, who. 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.440 In this movie struggles with being seen as a man. 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.040 That's like his whole character's arc is like why people 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.879 don't take me seriously like as an adult. You have 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:30.480 John Berthall, who's I think it's undeniable in my opinion, 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.639 his podcast persona and his real life persona really is 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.080 he wants to tell the stories of veterans. He wants 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.320 to platform veterans, on his podcast, he's always talking to 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:47.520 like X Special Forces guys, former seals, former fucking Delta guys, 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.920 and really like talking about what vets went through. 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:51.960 And here he is in this. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:56.960 Movie as the most fervent king King of Vets, the 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:02.840 most fervent promoter of veterans. He wants to meet veterans, 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.120 he wants to meet the sons of veterans. He wants 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.400 to talk about what the veterans went through. And he 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.960 is the main proponent of. 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.040 The fucking war was good because he actually. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:21.880 Can't look at he can't process being having gone through 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.479 that experience and having it be a negative and just 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.880 like it an absolutely incredible thing. This leg was Amo 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:33.480 leg was Amo once again is like once again in 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:38.960 a Shakespearean type role. Yeah, and in a I mean 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.080 Nolan is a jokester too. Here he is once again 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.800 in a movie that hinges on the death of a dog. 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.439 I could play play the same kind of role in 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.200 that as the person who explains. 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.320 How bad ass the hero is John Wick, where the 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:57.200 dog died. 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.080 And set the whole thing off. And here he is 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.920 in this movie You're Not My Master. When he gets back, 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:06.160 he's gonna fucking whoop your ass, same character and then 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.120 like here is the one that I think is actually 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:15.440 Nolan at his funniest Okay, Colwan Marshall Green has been 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:21.760 spoken of, has been spoken of for years as a 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:22.080 as a. 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:23.280 T Woo Tom Hardy. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:28.000 Yes, he took the Now the original person who is 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.000 supposed to be in this movie I think was Cosmo Jarvis, 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.159 who is another fake who has the new tim O 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.520 Tom Hardy, who has actually taken the the he has 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.440 moved Logan down a. 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.280 Peg on the t Woo Tom Hardy hierarchy, and the 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:44.920 and the fact that in. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:49.119 A Christopher Nolan movie he couldn't get Tom Hardy, so 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.320 he gets t Tom Hardy and the second version Tim 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:56.239 Tom Hardy. I'm sorry, but this man is operating on 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.399 levels that we have never fucking sang before in a 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:03.080 cat Yeah, casting perspective. 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:03.760 And what's incredible. 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.280 Jason, I'm glad you've been thinking about this more because 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.399 just quickly before I thrit to Joel, I think this 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.680 is also why it feels like an old school Hollywood movie, 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:15.320 because when they cast Cleopatra and you have your Elizabeth 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:15.840 Taylor or. 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.200 Whatever, and her romance and her lover is she's a 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:18.720 great lover. 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.440 That makes it feel like she's the right casting choice, 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:23.359 and that's what you're talking about now, Jason. 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.000 And then you know, obviously there is the more direct 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:30.480 and obvious versions. There's Travis Scott as the bard, you know, 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.840 very in your face, like with the you know, the 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:39.960 referencing rap as storytelling. And then there's like the one 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:41.800 that for me, I think is the most affecting, which 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:47.040 is Elliott Page who he puts Elliott right at the 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:51.719 start of the mo like this movie starts with a 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:56.320 black man in an ancient Greek story. First voice you 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.240 hear is Travis Scott, and then it proceeds from that 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:05.480 to Elliot Page being sacrificed on the beach as the 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:09.680 soldier who the Greeks threw away. And I just think 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:14.919 as a as a representative of the trans community. 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.439 Like Christopher Nolan is doing deep work with this. 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:22.040 Yeah, with that casting, to say nothing of the fact 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:27.440 that like Synon's sacrifice is the emotional through line of them. Yes, 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.320 Oassees wants to get home. He desperately wants to see 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.480 his wife. He keeps the little token shout out to 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.680 shout out to Christopher Nolan, loving little metal tooken. 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.840 He loves that token. There's multiples in this movie, but 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:43.800 that is. 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:52.920 Like interwoven with delivering Synon's token back to Antinous and 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:57.080 righting that wrong, which is like a I mean, it's 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.720 it's very deep. None of this in the story, by 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:01.760 the way, none of this in the Odyssey. So I 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.440 think I just think for me, it's the casting and 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.520 agree and what Nolan did with the casting and what 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:13.280 he's saying with the roles m is. 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:13.080 Is pretty remarkable. 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.080 Can I cherry on top that? 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:16.320 Yes? Too? 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.760 Okay, So I've been watching a lot of the behind 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:20.800 the scenes stuff. I tried to save it until after 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.119 I saw the movie. And what's been really interesting to 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:27.159 me is, you know, no one says famously no chairs, 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:28.920 you must stand. No one will stand the whole time 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.240 as well, everybody on your feet, you're ready to move. 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.800 We're doing a lot, we don't have a lot of money, 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:36.280 and now we're shooting with these giant, impossible cameras, so 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.320 everybody always has to be ready. The other rule on 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:41.960 this set was no phones. You have any phones on set. 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:44.800 So they did an interesting thing in casting where they 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:49.879 cast all of uh Odysseus's men there the whole time. 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.320 So I think from from the beginning to the very end, 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:55.920 it's the same group of men who's in that cast. Well, 0:22:56.040 --> 0:23:01.119 joe Banna depo will you it's there like this is 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:05.520 a veteran like thirty five plus actors, actors who've been 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.040 through the shit, who know how to play in the 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.120 background but can give you that rich depth of texture 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.080