WEBVTT - Draft Show: Fun on the Fence

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your

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<v Speaker 1>war room for in center news and draft analysis from

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<v Speaker 1>deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star

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<v Speaker 1>in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys. You liked d lambs, No, your

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<v Speaker 1>host Kyle Yeoman's We are into the single digits. We

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<v Speaker 1>are nine days away from the NFL Draft. April twenty

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<v Speaker 1>ninth is fast approaching. Happy April twenty if everybody, as

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<v Speaker 1>we are just nine days away and Cleveland, Ohio is

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<v Speaker 1>starting to feel the ramifications of the draft on the horizon,

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<v Speaker 1>and so as the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show,

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<v Speaker 1>as we have got an entire show full of fan questions. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we normally do Twitter on the twenty, but as Katie

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<v Speaker 1>Best said it yesterday in our group text, this is

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter on the zero, Twitter on the twenty, and Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>on the forty, all at the same time, because we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do the entire show full of fan questions. And Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this is kind of overdue, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we've had just fan involvement through the roof, throughout this

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<v Speaker 1>entire process, and we've just answered like six questions. I

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's not a knock on you. If anything, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think it's a byproduct of the zoom era.

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<v Speaker 1>It just takes longer to have these conversations. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we've probably only answered ten questions this

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<v Speaker 1>entire year. So yeah, good, let's let's get to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's give the people what they want. Absolutely, We've got

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<v Speaker 1>David Hellman, We've got Kevin, Katie Turner, Jeff Kavanaugh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Yeoman's glad you're with us, and Katie, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is your idea, but you got to give back

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<v Speaker 1>to the fans after all the help that they've given

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<v Speaker 1>us in terms of Twitter on the twenty all year long. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I get the frustration, Like, hey guys, guys, we sent

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<v Speaker 1>you a bunch of questions. You got to two of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, you know what, we're nine days away.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of us talking about Sir tan Verse one one

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<v Speaker 1>more time, let's just helping this bad boy up. And Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I like to improv, you know, I'd like to be random.

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<v Speaker 1>So I kind of I kind of like that we

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<v Speaker 1>got everyone asking questions and hopefully we can make a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Cowboys fans happy today. All right, So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna start things out by shooting this first question right

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<v Speaker 1>at Jeff Cavanaugh. The reason why is because it is

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit random. But you mentioned Horn, you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>Sir Tan. How about I throw another top corner name

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<v Speaker 1>in there for this first question. This comes from a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Tank Commander O R. L on Twitter and

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<v Speaker 1>he says, do we have any indication on how the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys feel about Caleb Farley's medical situation with the possible

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<v Speaker 1>trade backup into the first round be a target for Dallas?

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<v Speaker 1>Is Caleb Farley a potential despite his medical situation? Mister

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Cavanaugh, sure. I mean, first of all, I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to say hello to Tank Commander. That's a pretty bad ass,

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<v Speaker 1>So what's up, Tank Commander? And I'd like to apologize

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone for just how long winded Katie and Dave

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<v Speaker 1>are all the time. We would have gotten so many

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<v Speaker 1>more questions. The Caleb Farley thing's impossible because you're only

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<v Speaker 1>the only way you're going to know what teams are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do with Caleb Farley is if you have access

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<v Speaker 1>to the team doctors and trainers of each team. You

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<v Speaker 1>know all the reports are positive. But that's the way

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be because the report's going to come

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<v Speaker 1>from the player and his people, so you know, the combine,

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<v Speaker 1>medical rechecks, all those things. Teams are gonna have them.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can look at the Cowboys history. The Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>aren't afraid of hurt guy. A lot of times they're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for when can I get hurt guy at an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible value? And with Caleb Farley, I think if you

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<v Speaker 1>just look at kind of the consensus opinion, the thought

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<v Speaker 1>is probably that he still goes in the middle to the

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<v Speaker 1>the back of the first round. Will the Cowboys be

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<v Speaker 1>interested in making a move to do that? Maybe if

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<v Speaker 1>they went offense at ten and you felt desperate to

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<v Speaker 1>do something at corner But you know, I'm I'm dug

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<v Speaker 1>in on my thoughts on Caleb Farley. Bad backs don't

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<v Speaker 1>get better, and like, if you want to give me

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<v Speaker 1>that gift at forty four and I'll take my chances,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one thing. But giving up picks to move around

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<v Speaker 1>and do that, I'm out. Yeah, I think that's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly put. The one thing. I mean, we know there's

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<v Speaker 1>interest there, like I know the Cowboys are. They've done

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<v Speaker 1>their homework on all of these cornerbacks that we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about a million times. But Jeff's right, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people tend to keep medical close to the vest for

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<v Speaker 1>obvious reasons. And the only way I could really see

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<v Speaker 1>that making senses if they don't draft a corner at ten,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think we would all agree that's what we

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<v Speaker 1>expect to happen. Certainly doesn't mean it's going to but

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine them giving up picks to get Caleb

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<v Speaker 1>Farley if they draft a guy at ten. If for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason that doesn't happen, and like Jeff said, the

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<v Speaker 1>desperation kind of kicks in. Maybe I think it's pretty unlikely. Though.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a real buz kill when all that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>came out about him, even though we kind of knew

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about it. But to find out that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how close are we to calling this like

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<v Speaker 1>chronic back injuries? And when it's kind of went up

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<v Speaker 1>and smoked that he wouldn't go at ten, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was just kind of like, I don't it. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just a bummer. It's a real bummer. So to me,

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<v Speaker 1>we start talking about it back, I start talking about

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<v Speaker 1>you in the second round. But now I can say

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<v Speaker 1>till with the Packers, the Chiefs and all else, teams

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<v Speaker 1>late of the Saints with their Marshawn Lattimore situation. Your

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<v Speaker 1>team's picking late in the first round, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good spot for Caleb Varley. Maybe it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean there's some connection I think between Caleb

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<v Speaker 1>Varley and the Cowboys. I mean there's definitely been that

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<v Speaker 1>mutual interest, and of course ever since he was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of that top prospect, that's something that the Cowboys have

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<v Speaker 1>been very interested in, and maybe they kind of keep

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<v Speaker 1>that in the back of their mind if he does slip.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily think that trading backup is a is

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<v Speaker 1>a huge possibility, at least for Farley. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>could trade up for somebody else. And that actually brings

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<v Speaker 1>me to the second question. This comes from Jake. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>is there any buzz on Jeremiah Owusu Coromoa? If the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys were locked in on him, should they take him

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<v Speaker 1>at ten or is that a reach? If it's a reach,

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<v Speaker 1>what range should they try to maneuver in to get him? Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll send this one to you. That's, you know, going

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<v Speaker 1>back to the part about their being interest. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think you talk about buzz, I haven't heard anything that

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that he's on that short list of guys that

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<v Speaker 1>they would draft at ten. And again, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like a broken record sometimes like doesn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>mean that's what's going to happen. Like I don't ceedee

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<v Speaker 1>Lamb wasn't really on that list last year because nobody

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<v Speaker 1>thought he'd be available at seventeen. And you know, sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the pandemic aspect of all this has made it

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<v Speaker 1>way harder than ever before. Like you know, zoom offers

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<v Speaker 1>a certain amount of privacy. It's you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>think back Jeff and Kat, you probably remember this, Like

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<v Speaker 1>remember when Zeke was a prospect. He likes he put

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<v Speaker 1>all of his visits out on Snapchat. He would be like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in Philly today, I'm in New York today, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, okay, cool, Like we know, we know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what Zeke's doing, and that's not really happening because guys

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<v Speaker 1>can't visit facilities. So I'm not I'm not hearing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of buzz about him. I really I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that he would be their pick at ten almost no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what happens. But I think the conversation changes if

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<v Speaker 1>they trade back I think I think it would make

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<v Speaker 1>sense to pick him between fifteen and twenty, but again, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how likely is that to happen? So, and he's one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite players, I would probably draft him at ten,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if the cornerbacks for some reason are gone. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's the thing is, I don't think they will be,

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<v Speaker 1>so unless they trade back, it's kind of hard for

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<v Speaker 1>me to imagine that happening. Katie, you know, I like

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<v Speaker 1>Coramoa over Parsons, you know a little bit. Now. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it was just a puff piece, but

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<v Speaker 1>if y'all read this article, a physics professor in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States Navy, but he went to Notre Dame, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not surehere he was a press track wrote this

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<v Speaker 1>article about Cormoa's tackling and talking about how much he

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<v Speaker 1>speeds up right before impact. And he just did this

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<v Speaker 1>big study on him unleashing more force on the ball

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<v Speaker 1>carrier than anyone that he had studied. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting piece. I mean, obviously, like you're playing fast

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<v Speaker 1>and you're playing harden, you're gonna tackle, but just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how quickly before he makes the tackle he gears

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<v Speaker 1>up and speeds up to create more force, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, man, that's kind of incredible study that I'd

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<v Speaker 1>never really thought of before. But again, that guy went

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<v Speaker 1>to Notre Dame, so it could have just been a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a puff piece. But you know, for me,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen for the Patriots makes a lot of sense that

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of feels like a kind of a good zone.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish the Cowboys were interested at ten if they

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<v Speaker 1>got wiped out, But you know, I think the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>like Certain enough. I think they like Horn enough. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they like Slater enough, and I think they feel

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<v Speaker 1>pretty confident they're gonna have what they need at ten

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<v Speaker 1>instead of you know, trying to move back or things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. But yeah, who knows, who knows? Du they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not talking much and slip it up like they

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<v Speaker 1>usually do. If the Cowboys will let my dream come

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<v Speaker 1>true and let Captain trade down ride and he rides

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<v Speaker 1>right on down there to fifteen picks up number forty

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<v Speaker 1>six from New England, that's a dude I would love

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<v Speaker 1>for them to consider. My guess is this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be unfair to Dan Quinn, but this is life.

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<v Speaker 1>Such as life, Dan, Welcome to DFW. The Cowboys for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason. I have not a lot of faith that

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<v Speaker 1>they could figure out a way to use a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who you would consider a weapon in a proper way,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's my favorite thing about Jeremiah Usu Cormoa is

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe he's a weak side linebacker, maybe he's a

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<v Speaker 1>strong safety, whatever. Maybe in Nickel and Dime you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>different things with him, And nothing about the Cowboys organization

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<v Speaker 1>just makes me think they would deploy that properly. But

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<v Speaker 1>if they p him, I would hope so, because I

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<v Speaker 1>think the NFL is so much about matchups now and

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<v Speaker 1>teams are trying to put you in bad matchups. J

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<v Speaker 1>Okay is matchup proof. I don't care where he ends up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, there's motion to running back out and j

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<v Speaker 1>Okay has to cover, and well that running back ain't

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<v Speaker 1>getting open. He has to cover a linebacker, he's got

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<v Speaker 1>to run the alley. Whatever. He's matchup proof. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>big fan. If we can get kept trade down to

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<v Speaker 1>ride to fifteen, let's go. I would at least I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna god, I want to give dan Quinn some benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of the doubt. Just I don't know, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with everything you just said overall, but a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that is because for the vast majority of

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<v Speaker 1>the last decade it was the same people calling the

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<v Speaker 1>shots on the defensive side of the ball. Those people

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<v Speaker 1>aren't here anymore, I know. I mean, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>disaster with a new coach last year, so that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's going to be better, but can't get much worse,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And it's it's a it's not an apples

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<v Speaker 1>to apples comparison. But you know, Christohshard showed up and

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, why are you playing Byron at safety?

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<v Speaker 1>He needs to be a corner And that turned out

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<v Speaker 1>to be pretty smart. So maybe dan Quinn could come

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<v Speaker 1>in and figure out how to use the guy like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it might be a mood point because again, unless

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<v Speaker 1>they trade back, I don't think that's very likely. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in this next question from Joshua Chewie and I'm putting

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<v Speaker 1>that on like that's literally how it's spelled Twitter, Joshua

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<v Speaker 1>Chewi says, Dave talk trade down versus trade up. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we just talked about trading down potentially, but he says

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<v Speaker 1>if he thinks that they actually went down in the draft,

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<v Speaker 1>they would also trade back up. So you have a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of both worlds where you trade down, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>pick up a couple of selections, use those to get

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<v Speaker 1>back into the first round. Thoughts on what players they

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<v Speaker 1>could target if that's the potential, Yeah, I mean, and

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<v Speaker 1>that seems that is a growing topic. And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's just because the Cowboys have enough capital to pull

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<v Speaker 1>that off. Yeah, it's it just seems so unlikely to me, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's happened before in the history of the draft,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, how many times do you see a team

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<v Speaker 1>do that, like, do both things on Day one of

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<v Speaker 1>the draft. I certainly possible, just doesn't very likely. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but act like on it and maybe not Jeremiah Usu Coromoa,

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<v Speaker 1>but guys like that, like a guy that doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>sense at ten but might slip again. We already talked

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<v Speaker 1>about Farley, so we don't need to do that again.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that makes a lot of sense, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>if they don't draft a cornerback or you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>know that they've been looking at linebackers. I'm not the

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<v Speaker 1>I won't be the first person to point out Zavian Collins,

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<v Speaker 1>but again, probably not a guy that you are interested

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<v Speaker 1>in at ten. But if he's still hanging around there

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<v Speaker 1>as the first round comes to a close, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of the second round. Maybe that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that you try to do or another thing that really

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<v Speaker 1>moves the needle a lot as offensive tackles and pass rushers,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if a if a Tevin Jenkins or a Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Leatherwood is slipping and you got a chance to do

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<v Speaker 1>something like that or or a boogie bash him, It

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't surprise me. I like I said, it would it

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<v Speaker 1>would surprise me to see him do both on the

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<v Speaker 1>same day. But yeah, tackles and pass rushers typically have

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<v Speaker 1>a way of making people jump up like that. Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a there's it. I think a couple of names

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<v Speaker 1>that when you were just saying that scenario, there were

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<v Speaker 1>if you traded down and then wanted to trade back up,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of those scenarios I guess for me would

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<v Speaker 1>be like again, I go to my dream home. My

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<v Speaker 1>dream home is at fifteen, and I take I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think one of the top two corners would make it

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<v Speaker 1>that far. But if so sweet, you take jac Horne.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's say you take Greg Newsom the northwestern corner

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<v Speaker 1>at fifteen, or Elijah Vera Tucker, the USC offensive lineman

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<v Speaker 1>who could play tackle war guard. Then I like the

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<v Speaker 1>name Zavian Collins. How about Christian Barmore as a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that in the mid to late twenties. If he's still

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<v Speaker 1>floating or you don't even like him, always come back

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<v Speaker 1>up for I don't love I mean, it's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>a normally we're really respectful. Well, no, normally we're very

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<v Speaker 1>respectful and and measured with our words. I've learned these

0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.200
<v Speaker 1>things from the great Brad Sham, who's always incredibly fair

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone. It's the worst defensive tackle class I've ever seen,

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<v Speaker 1>and Christian Barmore is probably the best prospect of the class.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Cowboys will like that. The Cowboys will like

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama big stage, played well in the biggest games. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you are looking for an impactful defensive

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<v Speaker 1>lineman and he's there at twenty seven twenty eight, you've

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<v Speaker 1>already traded down and gotten more capital, and you've already

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<v Speaker 1>picked a corner or an offensive lineman. It's a name

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense to me, whether I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good idea or not. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, the names,

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<v Speaker 1>the names I'm gonna throw out Dave. I think mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>Zavin Collins. I know they like Xavid Collins. YEA like

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<v Speaker 1>Xavid Collins at twenty five is though, you know, late

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<v Speaker 1>first round area with offensive tackle, I can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>be picky and wait there. I can wait on an

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<v Speaker 1>Eikenberg that caused me. It's even maybe later down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>James Hudson from Cincinnati. Tevin Jenkins, you mentioned like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really feel like I have to jump into the

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<v Speaker 1>first to get a off to tackle. Another name went

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<v Speaker 1>through out there is Jalen Phillips. What if teams just

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<v Speaker 1>passed on him because of the concussions and the medicals

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<v Speaker 1>and all that stuff. You know, that's something he might

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<v Speaker 1>jump back in for another corner. I think everyone loves

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<v Speaker 1>is Greg Newsome, but I don't think the Cowboys are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna love Greg Newsom because we start looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>length of Greg Newsome. His linked is more in the

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<v Speaker 1>area of like and Elijah Molden from Washington, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they're gonna want to do that. And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they maybe I'm wrong, but if they didn't, if

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<v Speaker 1>they took a corner at ten, I don't really think

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<v Speaker 1>they would double dip at corner and move to double

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<v Speaker 1>dip at corner. But like, those are some names that

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<v Speaker 1>I would kind of circle though and would consider moving

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<v Speaker 1>up for. But I don't know if they would. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think Zavian Collins is a name that they're attracted

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<v Speaker 1>to and have been for a while. So as a

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<v Speaker 1>as a I agree, I agree with you on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I'm not with you on the offensive tackle

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<v Speaker 1>thing though, Just be like, those guys are so rare

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<v Speaker 1>and Okay, we think two are definitely going to go

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<v Speaker 1>in the top fifteen. Jeff already mentioned Elijah Vera Tucker,

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<v Speaker 1>which everything I've read and seen suggests he could go

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere from like the mid teens to the mid twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you're talking about guys like again Leatherwood Jenkins,

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<v Speaker 1>Like those guys could very well and even likely be

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<v Speaker 1>first round picks. If all that happens, those guys could

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<v Speaker 1>all be gone by like so no, thank you, Christian

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<v Speaker 1>derrisaw as well, So like all those guys could be

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<v Speaker 1>gone by like pick twenty eight, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, um, it's Leah Meikenberger. Bust. If we want

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<v Speaker 1>one of the top or time guys, maybe Cosm but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that could be a long wait to forty

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<v Speaker 1>four if you've got your eyes on one of those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>So and if you're planning on waiting to seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be even in more trouble. Sure if you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get a tackle. If if you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>a tackle in this draft, I think you have to

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<v Speaker 1>do it round one or round two. I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 1>also been very vocal about that though, not that I

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<v Speaker 1>would ever want to dispute a kat fund tweets report

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<v Speaker 1>on the Cowboys interest level in Greg Newsom. But I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to say this for my own selfish purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>just to get it on record. If Greg Newsom is

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy career, I would make him the favorite to

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<v Speaker 1>have the best career out of this cornerback class. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think if the Cowboys aren't interested in Greg Newsom,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Cowboys are wrong, wrong, I say, noted

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<v Speaker 1>for posterity. Yeah, that's all. That's just me just dunking

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<v Speaker 1>all over Katie's neck on a Tuesday. Is it Tuesday? Hey?

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<v Speaker 1>I love Newsome, Hey, I love Newsom. I love Newsom.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think some teams are gonna look at him

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<v Speaker 1>and go, man, where are your arms? Six or one? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>With arms, he's got the reach of Elijah Molden reach

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<v Speaker 1>man watch Congress. Godzilla reach matters man, but Godzilla, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna tell you what happened. Yeah, I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>watched it yet. Just then, you just spread bad information

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<v Speaker 1>with what you just said about Godzilla and calm, not

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<v Speaker 1>the football stuff, but the Godzilla stuff. I do about

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<v Speaker 1>the arm reaches. Reach is important, and that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about it a lot. But Jordan Lewis didn't

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<v Speaker 1>hit the height requirements that the Cowboys prefer, but he

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<v Speaker 1>had the reach to make up for it. So maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe you're onto something that which Elijah

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<v Speaker 1>moldendn't meet their reach cho didn't meet their reach requirements,

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<v Speaker 1>but he got picked like he's just stuff is I

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<v Speaker 1>think it matters when it matters. Yeah, it's not an

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<v Speaker 1>exact science. Whenever Rashawn Slader has short arms, Rashawn Slader

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be a Pro Bowl left tackle if

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<v Speaker 1>somebody lets him play tackle. It's true. I just care

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<v Speaker 1>because it doesn't aff him because he knows how to play. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just hate it. I only like the short arms

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<v Speaker 1>or the height or offensive lineman who don't have long

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<v Speaker 1>enough reach. If it hurts him on the football field,

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<v Speaker 1>then you go, Okay, that sucks that guy's off because

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<v Speaker 1>he can't overcome that. But with guy like Greg Newsom

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<v Speaker 1>is a baller, I don't care if his arms are

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<v Speaker 1>six inches too much. Does it bother you that he's

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<v Speaker 1>at a season ending injury all three years of college.

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<v Speaker 1>He's only played twenty career college games and he got

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<v Speaker 1>flagged at time. I mean that bothers me, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I don't have him in the first round. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the injuries bothered me on Newsome. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I said, if he's healthy, I think he might have

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<v Speaker 1>the best career because I just think when you compare

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<v Speaker 1>him to the top two corners, this year's athletic testing

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<v Speaker 1>has been really weird. Like it's going to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that JC Horn and Patrick Curtan are the elite of

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<v Speaker 1>elite athletes for NFL corners, and I don't buy that

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<v Speaker 1>for a heartbeat. They're good athletes, but they're not elite athletes.

0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.800
<v Speaker 1>These pro days with hand timer's, but throw it all out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad they're good athletes, So Greg Newsom is just

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<v Speaker 1>more fluid than both of them. Like you if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get your hands on a guy at the line

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<v Speaker 1>of scrimmage and he's running a slant and go, or

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<v Speaker 1>he's running a post corner, or he's running a double move.

0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Greg Newsom just has He's a more fluid mover than

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<v Speaker 1>both of them. So I think he's the stickiest one

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<v Speaker 1>in coverage. I think he can run any coverage you

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<v Speaker 1>ask him too. I think he's intelligent on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a lot that Greg Newsom does. The

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<v Speaker 1>injuries are the only thing that actually stopped me from

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<v Speaker 1>having him as cornerback number one, because I think at first,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was watching him, I just saw so much

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<v Speaker 1>kind of relaxed and conservative cover three at Northwestern that

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, now, I want to see him do more.

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<v Speaker 1>But the more you watch you now you do see

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<v Speaker 1>him in press, you do see him playing man. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that if he had no injury history and

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<v Speaker 1>he was just a totally clean slate, I think he

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<v Speaker 1>would be the best. And real quick. I know, I

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<v Speaker 1>know we're gonna get off, but seventy eight and a

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<v Speaker 1>half inch wing span for sirten seventy seven, winks span

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<v Speaker 1>on Horn you get to Newsom and I'm rounding up

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<v Speaker 1>here seventy four. That's a difference to teams, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>just not in the same realm of where Farley horns

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<v Speaker 1>Certan and Eric Stokes ont Kelvin Joseph who's a little

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<v Speaker 1>shorter and he's got a really good wingspan. I mean, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>with the visual aid there, I really appreciate that this

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<v Speaker 1>is from this is with both of our arms pointing

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<v Speaker 1>all the way out. There's this is the difference. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that matters when you're playing Aaron Rodgers, my guy. That

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a much different situations. Yeah, I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>I just think there's more to knock news There's more

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<v Speaker 1>to knock Newsom on than what maybe people are talking.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think you can both be right. I

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<v Speaker 1>still like him, honestly, I think you can both be

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<v Speaker 1>right about this. That's kind of a lame answer, though,

0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want the two to be right. That's I'm

0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:54.160
<v Speaker 1>here to be the lame arbiter, like that's what I do,

0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.040
<v Speaker 1>be the mediator between the two, here to fight broa.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's Jeff just wants to drop gloves all the

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<v Speaker 1>time with that, and he likes I'm more of a

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<v Speaker 1>Kumbaya kind of guy. He likes he likes his ar

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<v Speaker 1>Darius Washington's, he likes his Greg Newsome's. They if they

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<v Speaker 1>wear purple, he loves them. That's just kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>don't you guys take your measurements term sideways and you

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<v Speaker 1>may deposit them directedly wherever you want. Thank you. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna move on and take our first break. When

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, we're gonna talk about that defensive tackle

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<v Speaker 1>class that well we've talked about already might be the

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<v Speaker 1>worst we've ever seen, and maybe the guy that's up

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<v Speaker 1>at the top isn't necessarily the guy we think is

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<v Speaker 1>up at the top. But we're gonna talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna go ahead and pitch. Let's go into

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<v Speaker 1>some twitter on the twenty maybe there it is, there

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<v Speaker 1>it is, We got it. I tried to give a

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<v Speaker 1>lead in there. All right, This one comes from the

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<v Speaker 1>nueltorious and you'll you'll know why I'm saying the nueltorious one.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever it comes to Marvin Wilson, I'd be more concerned

0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:23.680
<v Speaker 1>with his injury history than his twenty twenty film. Of course.

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Marvin Wilson defensive tackle out of Florida State. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he could he can explain the bag twenty twenty film

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<v Speaker 1>as compared to his really really good twenty nineteen film.

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<v Speaker 1>But he just can't ignore the injuries. Don't believe he

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<v Speaker 1>ever finished a season at Florida State. Jeff, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think about Marvin Wilson? We talked about this D

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<v Speaker 1>tackle class just not being good, but he's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those top names, and well, his film in twenty twenty

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 1>wasn't good and injury history. Where do you rank him

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<v Speaker 1>on your board? Marvin Wilson. I'm debating if he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be my top D tackle over Christian Barmore or not.

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:00.439
<v Speaker 1>That's where I am with Marvin Wilson. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people will have him as like a

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<v Speaker 1>third or fourth or fifth round guy after twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just don't because my only question about Marvin

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Wilson is I want my team to do their background

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.639
<v Speaker 1>in terms of how did somebody who was such a

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<v Speaker 1>dominant force as a I don't have this age in

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<v Speaker 1>front of me, but probably what an eighteen and nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen and a twenty year old become so much less

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<v Speaker 1>dominant Because I've seen him line up in the role

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna play him in the NFL, and I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>him dominated and I saw him doing it for multiple

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:40.640
<v Speaker 1>years against people who were older than him. I think

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 1>Marvin Wilson, he's like Mike greg Knwsom of the defensive tackles.

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<v Speaker 1>If I can just say, okay, different defensive coordinators, different schemes,

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:52.479
<v Speaker 1>meniscus in the knee during the twenty twenty season, and

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:54.919
<v Speaker 1>I can go hump if I can get him healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I say this with knowing nothing about him personally,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing about his football care or work ethic or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But if Mike Scots tell me that his twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do with just like not loving it

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 1>or not working at it and it was just that

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>he was banged up and they'd switched schemes, then to me,

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<v Speaker 1>Marvin Wilson's the best d tackle in this class because

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<v Speaker 1>his eighteen and nineteen film I think is more consistently

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<v Speaker 1>dominant than Christian Barmore at any point in his career.

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:26.959
<v Speaker 1>So that's Marvin Wilson. So many people are thinking like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even day three guy, and I'm looking at him

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<v Speaker 1>like Gallie. I mean, I've seen him line up and

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what I'm going to ask him to do in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL and absolutely dominate for multiple years, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna write that off. Marvin Wilson is potentially a study.

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 1>It was not fair to Marvin Wilson to go as

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 1>quick David. It's it's not fair for Marvin Wilson to go,

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, line up at the five technique and he

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<v Speaker 1>had to do that, and it's just not good for him.

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Like so like things like that is kind of annoying.

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of is very tough about sometimes evaluating these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a game from a few years back

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<v Speaker 1>when he just wiped out McKay Beckton and he was

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<v Speaker 1>playing outside and even though that's not like his position,

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>you could see the explosion. And I think that's what's

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:19.360
<v Speaker 1>so frustrating about the Stephen's tackle class is the consistency.

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:23.399
<v Speaker 1>You have these guys with Marvin Wilson and Bartimore who

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<v Speaker 1>at times when you see them flash, you're going, holy crap.

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Aline McNeil is another guy when you see him flash

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<v Speaker 1>here on holy crap. And then you have these like

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.879
<v Speaker 1>less exciting guys like Tommy Toby. Guy, he's a good player,

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>but he's not exciting, he's not explosive, and oh, he's

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>just a good run player, strong, and that's where it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of gets frustrating for me. I have Marvin Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>the second round because I'm banking on what he can

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<v Speaker 1>be and not what he was at times at Florida State.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just encourage everyone who watches some of these

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<v Speaker 1>Florida State guys Janarius Robinson and Kane as well, keep

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<v Speaker 1>it on. These guys were are extremely good athletes, especially

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of high school into college, and they dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with coaching changes and they dealt with a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff at Florida State that really did not help their

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<v Speaker 1>development at all. Get him into an NFL locker room,

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<v Speaker 1>into a system, and I like these guys is really

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<v Speaker 1>good value those other guys in day three and I

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<v Speaker 1>still have a second round grade on Marvin Wilson. Now

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<v Speaker 1>forty four, you're gonna have to tell me who's on

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<v Speaker 1>the board. They're gonna be probably some other guys there

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I like more, but yeah, he's definitely a consideration for

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 1>me there. I think a big and this is more

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>so media than the actual teams, but like those of

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>us in the media, it feels like it's so much

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:42.479
<v Speaker 1>about momentum, Like j. C. Horne's a great example of like,

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and Jeff, You're right, like these pro days are totally fogus.

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>But you know JC Horne runs a four to three nine,

0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, people are like, oh, he

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:53.719
<v Speaker 1>might be just as good as certain and it's like, well,

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the tape never changed, and that's how it. Like Marvin

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Wilson and Christian Barmore. The last time I saw Christian Barmore,

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<v Speaker 1>he was beating up two of the best teams in

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<v Speaker 1>the country. And Marvin Wilson, you know, twenty nineteen feels

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<v Speaker 1>like a lifetime ago, especially you know, with the pandemic

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>and everything is, and so I feel more this is

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<v Speaker 1>just me, totally subjective. I feel more confident betting on

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 1>a guy who was kicking ass in his last game

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to a guy where I'm like, well, maybe

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I can help him rediscover what he used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a problem. I wouldn't have a problem

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<v Speaker 1>drafting him. It's a classic case. I do this all

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<v Speaker 1>the time where I'm like, wouldn't be excited about drafting

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 1>him at forty four, but maybe a little bit later

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 1>on just because I think in the top fifty, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't want to. I shouldn't be asking questions

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<v Speaker 1>about a guy that I'm at drafting in the top fifty,

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Like I should just be like, this guy is ready

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 1>to go, and I don't have to worry about injuries

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>or the fact that he didn't play very well last year.

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>And I think I kind of ride the fence a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. I'm pulling a David Hellman here in that regard,

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>But I agree with what you're saying. It's fun on

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<v Speaker 1>the fifth it is. You get to have both opinions.

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 1>But if you're in the top fifty and you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>a guy at defensive tackle, you've done this before where

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<v Speaker 1>you've had questions, Right trist Nill, I mean, I guess

0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't top he was. You're right, but Marvin Wilson

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>could also be a bad player. Tristan Hill. Tristan Hill

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 1>had some very exciting flashes like his just like plays.

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>But I can't compare a guy who had fifteen flash

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>plays at Central Florida to a dude who was dominant

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 1>at Florida State for multiple years. Well that's not fair.

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>He was Doriston Hill was a run mare. Nilly liked

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>that he got off the ball well twelve times. You are,

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>You're not wrong about that, yeah, But I mean, whenever

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about Marvin Wilson consensus five star, I mean

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>he was one of the top recruits in the country

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>able to come out of high school and then once

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>again was able to translate that game to the college

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 1>level in twenty nineteen, but just wasn't able to do

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>it in twenty twenty. That worries me that, And like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, there's guys that figure it out at the

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<v Speaker 1>college level, and that guys that just don't nest early

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 1>take it to the next level. If Marvin Wilson would

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 1>have came out last year, he would have been a

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 1>lock to go early day too. Instead, he wanted to

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 1>try and go rise up draft boards and try and

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 1>make a Derek Brown type of jump. And if you

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 1>would have done that, then sure you would have had that.

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>But instead he just had a mediocre year and kind

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>of pitter patter down the stretch. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what has a lot of teams worried to k to

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Kat's point, I just have to believe that there would

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.640
<v Speaker 1>be a guy available that I'd be more excited about

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>drafting at forty four. I mean, yeah, I would be

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot more excited if there was another name called

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 1>other than Marvin Wilson. All Right, this question comes from

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>John Nelson. He said Zeke had his best years with

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<v Speaker 1>a good blocking fullback. Any chance that Dallas looks at

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>a fullback or maybe even a blocking tie it in

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 1>in the latter rounds and who could that potentially be.

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I've got a couple names that come to mind. First,

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>one is a fun little pet cat at fullback out

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>of the Senior Bowl, Ben Mason from Michigan. That would

0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>be a lot of fun for me, I think, as

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 1>they don't necessary utilize a fullback and they already cut

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the one that they had, But there's some guys in

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>this draft that could be blockers. I just I'm doing

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>this right off the rip with no research done whatsoever.

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>But like, is that is that even true? Like in

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Zeke has been on the team since twenty sixteen, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I know, you know they had Keith Smith for a

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 1>little while Jamaze while I was here. I would go

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 1>I would bet I'd bet ten dollars without even looking

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 1>at it that they in that entire time frame of

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 1>fullback has never played more than like ten to twelve

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>percent of the snaps, like they used Keith in short

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>yardage situations sometimes, but like this was never the nineties,

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, like it wasn't like Moose Johnson where you're

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>just constantly bulldozing people. So I don't necessarily think I

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>agree with that premise, which is why if they were

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<v Speaker 1>to get a fullback, just do it in priority free

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 1>agency like they do that every year anyway that you know,

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 1>you sign a guy who can do a little bit

0:33:56.800 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 1>of both. Shiwo Alana Lua kind of fits that role

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 1>right now, especially since they released Jamay's I mean, if

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>there's a guy, if there's a guy they like that's

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 1>available after the draft, go for it. But I wouldn't

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>want to spend a draft pick on one kat and

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>tight ends. With a new fullback, you can use tight

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 1>ends there, and that's what I think. You know, we

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.439
<v Speaker 1>saw him run the belldozer in there a couple times

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 1>last year, right like, um, she maybe shot Sean McKinnon

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.359
<v Speaker 1>can maybe do that. Um, I'm not spending a draft

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 1>pick on a guy who's just a fullback. But it's

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 1>a fun position that I definitely played in junior high

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and I totally went the fullback to stay alive a

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:41.399
<v Speaker 1>little bit. Go draft kat, I would like to say

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.360
<v Speaker 1>that I um I have a fullback for the Cowboys.

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>He plays at Alabama. His name is Jalen Waddle. Because

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 1>there's no point in having two hundred fifty pound dudes

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 1>whose job is to run in a hole and mash

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>into a run defender and bringing a you're rundefender into

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 1>the box. In the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty one,

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the idea that fullbacks still exists and non Kyle Shanahan

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 1>offenses is absurd and I will not stand for it.

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>The fullback is what you would get if Jason Garrett

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:16.160
<v Speaker 1>came back, and we don't need that. Okay, say no

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 1>to fullbacks. A matter of fact, it's about time to

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 1>start saying no to tight ends running four wide, and

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>then the next step is gonna be saying goodbye to

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 1>running backs and going five wide and let your quarterback run.

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Now we're dancing, let's go. Now the fullbacks out. You

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 1>just want, you just need a running back who can

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>catch the ball. But I'm with you over like ten personnel.

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 1>That's the wave that's the move man. Yeah, you hate

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 1>twelve personnel. I can't unless one of those when less

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 1>one of those two tight ends is Kyle Pitts, I

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>can't stand it. That would be fun though, Yeah, yeah,

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 1>that could get you excited. Personnel likes two tight ends.

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh all, all the head coaches like two tight ends

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 1>because they're all, you know, fifty plus and refused to

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:00.760
<v Speaker 1>let go of some of those concepts. But that's okay.

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Talking about some of these guys that could maybe jump

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:08.320
<v Speaker 1>up into the top ten. Ja Stender on Twitter says

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 1>it is well discussed the possible top ten picks with quarterbacks,

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>offensive lineman, wide receivers, tight ends, corners. Who is someone

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 1>that we're not talking about that could jump into the

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:22.800
<v Speaker 1>top ten and make things really interesting? And another option

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>to ship someone down to pick number ten. I'm gonna

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>start with kat on this one, Katie, anybody that's outside

0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:34.359
<v Speaker 1>of the top ten conversation that could slip in. It

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 1>feels like he slipped out of the conversation. But Michael

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Parsons deserves to be in that conversation. I could see it.

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 1>De Troy at seven pulling the you know, doing that,

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, if Seul and Slater are both gone at eight.

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:51.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, does Elijah Vera Tucker get into that top

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.719
<v Speaker 1>ten conversation? Maybe? You know, I don't know if he

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 1>deserves to be that high pretty close for that, I

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I mean, I'm a guy who's not one

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:05.360
<v Speaker 1>in love with jac Hornet pick ten, So you know,

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 1>I think I think this is the whole thing. Like

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 1>getting into the top ten. It's very easy to narrow

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 1>it down and get what you want. It's different than

0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 1>when you're picking seventeen and you're kind of flipping coins

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:16.959
<v Speaker 1>on who you got over there. Ten. You narrow it down,

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 1>you get one or two guys, you know who you want,

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and that no better be who you get. Yes, I

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:25.879
<v Speaker 1>don't know if we're really leaving anyone out. I yes,

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I would say go to the linebacker. J Ok and

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Parsons perhaps should be in that conversation. I would go

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 1>to pass rushers. I think if you're gonna have a surprise,

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.799
<v Speaker 1>he would play on the edge because it's just such

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:44.360
<v Speaker 1>an important position. So like my order would be Adularry Phillips,

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 1>bash him, pay Turner Oway. But we were talking about

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 1>the NFL, and so we got to read tea leaves,

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:53.839
<v Speaker 1>so I would say Quitty pay would be the guy

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 1>who could throw it off and be a top ten pick.

0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:58.359
<v Speaker 1>Jeff took the words right out of my mouth, just

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 1>because he's got the craziest upside of the bunch, like

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>and you know, the college production wasn't there, but with

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 1>the numbers that he turned in, and I know you

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 1>can't completely trust pro days, but I just think his

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 1>athleticism is on that level where if a team just

0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:16.840
<v Speaker 1>absolutely wants to take a swing at a pass rusher,

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I think he would be the one. And then yeah,

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:22.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm it's hard to imagine this happening, but you know,

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 1>maybe if maybe if Slater and Sewell are gone, or

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:30.279
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe somebody just like loves Dary Saw or like

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Jenkins more than some or Elijah Vera Tucker may you know,

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I think back a couple of years, well even last

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 1>year the Giants kind of shocked everybody when they took

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Thomas first among all of those offensive tackles, and

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 1>the year before that, the Raiders took Cleveland Farrell and

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:50.839
<v Speaker 1>just blew everybody away. So you know, just because the

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>common logic says, like Slater sewel and then everybody else,

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't mean that every team agrees with that.

0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:59.840
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, pass rushers and offensive tackles, I think always

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 1>have a chance to shake things up. I would have

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 1>originally said mac Jones just based off of where I

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>thought he was gonna go initially, but I think that's

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>already kind of been pretty much taken care of. He's

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 1>probably going in the top ten, and somebody's gonna try

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.319
<v Speaker 1>and take him in the top ten. I can still

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.719
<v Speaker 1>see him slipping out. I think Micah Parsons, like you said,

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 1>if somebody really falls in love with him and they're

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.720
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily as concerned about the off the field issues,

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 1>or maybe they think he's a better player than he

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 1>is on the field, and maybe they go up and

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>get him. But that's pretty much the extent of it.

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I think the top ten of this draft is pretty straightforward.

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 1>By the way, last year, when we did our mock

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 1>draft of the top the top thirty two picks, we

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:42.440
<v Speaker 1>got nine of the ten picks in the first round, right,

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we were It's pretty easy usually to be

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 1>able to say. I think that's a thing that's happening

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:51.240
<v Speaker 1>right now is like we're all we're bored. Every Cowboys

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>haven't picked this high up in a while. Like we're

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 1>bored of We're like, surely gonna happen, Surely there's something

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 1>else that could change. It's like, no, not really, there's

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:03.000
<v Speaker 1>probably thirteen names that make sense for these ten spots,

0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's I'm kind of bored of talking about it too,

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 1>but I think that's what's gonna happen. So why guys

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 1>like Jeff Kavan I want to talk about Jalen Waddle

0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 1>at ten instead of talking about Jeff Spender. Guys banging

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 1>on that drum since like the SEC Championship. I don't

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>blame him though, you guys like winning. I've got a

0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver for you, Jeff. And this next question, how

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 1>about that? Goodness? I lost it already, all right? So

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Vance on Twitter says, why is no one talking about

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Shy Smith out of South Carolina? Insanely productive, showed out

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 1>at the Senior Bowl and comes from a college that

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 1>produces really good receivers. He loves the idea of taking

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:44.399
<v Speaker 1>him in the fourth or the fifth round, and that's

0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:47.800
<v Speaker 1>really where the Cowboys would have to find a burner

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 1>like that ran of four four three, he had a

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 1>one six ten yards split. I mean the broad jumps,

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 1>the vertical jumps were good led the team in receiving. Jeff,

0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:58.840
<v Speaker 1>do you know a whole lot about Shy Smith and

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 1>why are we not talking about him as a Cowboys

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 1>option late in the draft? Well, I dig the alliteration

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.719
<v Speaker 1>in his name. It's a cool sounding name. And I

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 1>heard kat make sounds when you said his name. I'm

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.360
<v Speaker 1>currently cramming on my wide receivers to get prepared to

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 1>have some twelve wide receivers and he is not one

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 1>of them. So Katie gets sexy with it. Yeah, I know,

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 1>he's a slot guy at five to nine. The thing

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>about Shy Smith is he made some really really impressive catches.

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I remember the Senior Bowl and a lot of impressive catches.

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 1>But if you're talking about Shy Smith and you're kind

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:33.560
<v Speaker 1>of taking by Jalen Darden to pick away, so I

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.879
<v Speaker 1>serve my big issues. But Shi Smith's a good player.

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 1>The thing about Shi Smith is how incredibly aggressive he

0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.640
<v Speaker 1>is at all times as a route runner. And usually

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>those slut guys seem a little more nuanced, you know,

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.799
<v Speaker 1>more kind of joy sticky, and I don't really see

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:52.839
<v Speaker 1>that as much with him. I kind of see him

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>as just kind of run through a guy to get

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 1>across and kind of get open a little bit. He's

0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:58.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of more of a you know, an A to

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>B type guy. And I'm not saying he's not shifty.

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying he's not as shifty as you know

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:05.240
<v Speaker 1>the Jalen Darden's who I just you know, talked about.

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:10.799
<v Speaker 1>So again, I like him highly productive UM in his

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:17.279
<v Speaker 1>in his career UM fourth round, fifth round for me

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 1>on my wide receiver chart. Uh, as I got through

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>my wide receiver rankings, there's just so many of them.

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Ten his wide receiver twenty for me. Yeahs, fifth round

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 1>at just the wrong USC, Sat Brown. There you go,

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 1>son fun. It's different types of players though, I mean,

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Saint Brown is the seventh receiver on my board, whereas

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Shy Smith's eighteen. I agree with the production though from

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Shy Smith and the question that was asked. I mean

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Deebo Samuel Brian Edwards, two receivers that have notably gone

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.400
<v Speaker 1>in the last couple of years that have had immediate

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:56.839
<v Speaker 1>impacts in the NFL, and Shy Smith has been just

0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 1>as productive with those guys in the lineup. And then

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 1>he was a productive without those guys in the lineup.

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:04.880
<v Speaker 1>So I think over the course of his career, you

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 1>could look at it and say, Shy Smith's been just

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.439
<v Speaker 1>as good as those two guys have during their time

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 1>at South Carolina. Why can't we talk about him the

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 1>same way, especially if he's going to fit that slot role,

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.399
<v Speaker 1>which he's quick enough, he's big enough, he's shifty enough

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 1>to be able to do that in the NFL. I

0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 1>like him a lot. And I know we always say

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I made this joke on Twitter like a month ago.

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 1>We always say like, don't scout the helmet, don't scout

0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:29.719
<v Speaker 1>the program. But at this point, I'm like, oh, he

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.319
<v Speaker 1>was a stud at South Carolina. He's probably pretty damn good.

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Whenever he has production playing alongside those guys, that's gonna help.

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>And without absolutely I don't have a problem with him,

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 1>other than maybe that I'm a little bit spoiled. You know,

0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 1>we got for so many years it was like, well,

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Dez is the X and Terence is the Z, and

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Beasley has to play in the slot because that's what

0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 1>he does. And now you know, Amari and Lamb are

0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 1>so damn versatile, and I'm a little bit spoiled. By

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 1>having guys that can move all over the place, and

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:04.319
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Shy Smith, maybe he can play on

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the outside, but I assume he would be primarily a slot.

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I'd be perfectly fine drafting him on Day three, But

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I think there are other guys that are a little

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 1>bit more reversatile that I think I would rather have.

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 1>But I do like we probably haven't talked enough about

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:22.080
<v Speaker 1>drafting a receiver because you have ten picks, it's a

0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 1>loaded class, and we don't know what the future holds

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>from Michael Gallop, and so I absolutely love the idea

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:31.839
<v Speaker 1>of restocking the depth chart. Probably not with not with

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the first four picks, but yeah, I mean

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 1>it would It would be a lot of fun to

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:37.880
<v Speaker 1>use a Day three pick. And if I mean, if

0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Shy Smith is who they picked, I'm not going to

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:42.760
<v Speaker 1>complain about it. What do you feel like the odds

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 1>are that the Cowboys do pick a receiver with ten

0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 1>picks in the middle of this draft. Ten picks, I bet,

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:53.319
<v Speaker 1>and who knows if who knows if they'll even make

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:57.359
<v Speaker 1>all ten picks, But yeah, I think they've got six

0:44:57.360 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 1>picks on Day three right now. I bet one of

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.319
<v Speaker 1>them will be a receiver or like the class is

0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 1>too deep, and you know between Gallop and obviously Noah

0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Brown and Cedric Wilson don't have long term situations here. Again,

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>I think with a class this loaded, I think it's

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:13.879
<v Speaker 1>very smart to just sort of try to keep that

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.840
<v Speaker 1>conveyor belt moving and that way. You know, not not

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 1>that that you're trying to kick Michael Gallop off the team,

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 1>but it gives you option. It gives you options for

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.799
<v Speaker 1>the future, and you can get a really really good

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.880
<v Speaker 1>player in the fourth, fifth, sixth round. And even better,

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to play him right away like he

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:31.480
<v Speaker 1>don't don't You don't need to lean on him as

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:33.839
<v Speaker 1>a rookie. So I hope they do it. For sure.

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.360
<v Speaker 1>If shy Smith ended up as a Cowboy, I wouldn't

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 1>be upset, don't nor should you. Like I said, there

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 1>are other guys I like more, But that doesn't mean

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I dislike shy Smith at all. There you go. When

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 1>we come back here on the Draft show, who is

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 1>a starting linebacker the Cowboys could potentially draft in Day

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 1>two that could be a starter. We're gonna see if

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:55.600
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0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:58.399
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<v Speaker 1>here over the last forty eight minutes. Kyle Yeoman's, David Hellman,

0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin KT Turner, and Jeff find me a

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<v Speaker 1>linebacker that the Cowboys could draft Day two? Who could

0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:25.719
<v Speaker 1>start immediately? Ernie asked this question on Twitter. Is there

0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:32.320
<v Speaker 1>one available? Oh? Yeah, well start immediately? Who are you

0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:37.360
<v Speaker 1>kicking off the team you kick? If you make that decisions,

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<v Speaker 1>you have your starting limit. Okay, Well, the NFL on

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<v Speaker 1>he plays two starting linebackers, so whoever you pick is

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<v Speaker 1>not starting until you decline lv's fifth year option and

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:47.360
<v Speaker 1>you get rid of number fifty four it for this season.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's okay, you can figure that out later. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it depends on how the draft falls, because

0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, every year you start talking about, oh, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to have this guy at this pick, and then

0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the whole world goes he's not good at falling there

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, okay, well you got CDLA at seventeen.

0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 1>So my guy would obviously beat Nick Bolton, the Missouri linebacker,

0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:06.319
<v Speaker 1>if you can find a way to get him to

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<v Speaker 1>forty four, which is not impossible because he's five foot

0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:11.680
<v Speaker 1>eleven and he didn't test well athletically, so NFL teams

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:14.799
<v Speaker 1>are gonna go, oh, small unathletic linebacker. When do I

0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>pick him? And my answer is forty four if the

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:20.880
<v Speaker 1>NFL will let you, because I love Nick Bolton. But

0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:22.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I got a list of guys. So if

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:24.840
<v Speaker 1>any of you guys are big fans of any of

0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 1>these guys individually, feel free to talk about him. But

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:31.440
<v Speaker 1>you got well, we say that Parsons is gone, Zavian

0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Collins is gone, and Jayman Davis has gone by forty

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:38.279
<v Speaker 1>four maybe and think so, yeah, that's pretty safe, okay,

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:41.680
<v Speaker 1>And even if so, I would say, you've got guys

0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:43.879
<v Speaker 1>like Baron Brownie at Ohio State, who I'm a big

0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:48.520
<v Speaker 1>fan of, Jabrille Cox at LSU. I like, Okay, Dylan

0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Moses is interesting, but I don't trust him. Pete Warnard,

0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State. My guy Jones, what's Ernest Jones? I believe

0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:01.319
<v Speaker 1>that South Carolina And I mean I've got more and

0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:03.439
<v Speaker 1>more and more and more guys. Yes, you can find

0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 1>lineback round day two, and I think there's gonna be

0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:07.840
<v Speaker 1>a chance for some pretty good value on one. Baron

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Browning is on the shortlist of picks that would make

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:16.600
<v Speaker 1>me do a backflip. I just met four. Yeah, I mean,

0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably where you'd have to take him.

0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:20.919
<v Speaker 1>And I just, I just I like his game a lot.

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I think I think he could fall to seventy five.

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.800
<v Speaker 1>It's and that like I I never I try not

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<v Speaker 1>not just a sweet spot, like he's not at forty

0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:31.080
<v Speaker 1>four seventy five, he's still more in between. I try

0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:33.479
<v Speaker 1>not to peck guys because like we're wrong all the time,

0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:36.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, Ja Jam and Davis. Nobody was

0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 1>talking about until three weeks three, four weeks ago, and

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:40.359
<v Speaker 1>now it's like that he was the first round, well

0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:42.279
<v Speaker 1>not only first round. People are like he might not

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:45.480
<v Speaker 1>last at number twenty, So it's hard to peck this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I know you can get Baron Browning on

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<v Speaker 1>day two. And I like his game a lot. I

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<v Speaker 1>like his athleticism. He hits, he gets to the ball carrier,

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 1>he makes plays, and yeah, like if you needed him too,

0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I think he could start right away and you don't

0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:05.440
<v Speaker 1>have to spend a crazy expensive resource on him. And

0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:07.800
<v Speaker 1>unless it was bolted, I don't think I would have

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<v Speaker 1>loved a linebacker at forty four, but I would love

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:16.240
<v Speaker 1>or I would like Browning at forty four over jimbro Cox,

0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:18.560
<v Speaker 1>And those are all guys who I would not mind

0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:21.080
<v Speaker 1>at all at seventy five because I do think you

0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:24.200
<v Speaker 1>still have to be kind of picky up there in

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 1>the top fifty and things like that. So whilst at

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Baron Browning he always kind of looked for that guys.

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:32.719
<v Speaker 1>When we talked about this earlier with Marvin Wilson, it's

0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:37.040
<v Speaker 1>a little different conversation with Baron Browning. You do give

0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:39.400
<v Speaker 1>him some bonus points for getting better as his career

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:43.560
<v Speaker 1>went on. So that's something that Baron Browning absolutely did.

0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he had out standing production and got better

0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:48.319
<v Speaker 1>as his career went on, and I think that's kind

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:51.480
<v Speaker 1>of important. So again, day two is a good thing.

0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:55.000
<v Speaker 1>But I really don't want anything to do with linebacker

0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 1>at ten or forty four, to be honest. Well, okay,

0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:00.319
<v Speaker 1>well how about that. I've got to know I've got

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:02.880
<v Speaker 1>a thing that I'll make you happy. Then how about

0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:06.080
<v Speaker 1>another Ohio State linebacker? A little bit later on Blake

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:11.279
<v Speaker 1>Kenson on Twitter asked would Pete Warner fit the Cowboys

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 1>as a hybrid linebacker and what round would you target him?

0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:16.400
<v Speaker 1>And I guess you're not does not like the question.

0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:21.239
<v Speaker 1>CD is anti Pete Warner always has, just does not

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 1>like him at all. Pete Wurn's fine. I think Pete

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Warner on tape, I'll be honest. I was just like, Oh,

0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:31.799
<v Speaker 1>here's a guy that's kind of not all that athletic

0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:34.439
<v Speaker 1>and drops that he does are very basic, but he'll

0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:37.040
<v Speaker 1>do his job. So I was like fourth, fifth round.

0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:39.920
<v Speaker 1>And then his athletic testing was way better than I

0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:41.880
<v Speaker 1>thought it would be. I didn't think he was that athletic,

0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:44.759
<v Speaker 1>So I think that helps Pete Warner. I bet he's

0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:46.960
<v Speaker 1>like a third round guy. If I had to guess,

0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:50.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I want to be the team

0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:55.280
<v Speaker 1>that does that there. But Mike, I mean, again, as Dave,

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna use the weird word Dave was using,

0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:02.160
<v Speaker 1>but I don't like to try to guess exactly where

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:06.040
<v Speaker 1>it's going to go. Wow, Pete Warner, Jeffrey Hug third round,

0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Jesus Jesus, jeff some of those numbers on Werner in

0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:16.360
<v Speaker 1>his athletic testing four point five nine, one point five six.

0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 1>He had a pretty good jump, actually a top three

0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 1>vertical in the linebacker class, just under forty inches thirty

0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:24.400
<v Speaker 1>nine and a half is what he was measured at.

0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:27.319
<v Speaker 1>So you're right. I mean the numbers stuck out for him,

0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:30.320
<v Speaker 1>and on tape he's fundamentally sound. He has a great history.

0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, his dad played football and baseball for DePaul

0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 1>University and he was a tight end for two years

0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:39.280
<v Speaker 1>in the NFL. He's had the pedigree, he has the athleticism.

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Why not try and take a guy like that later on,

0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:44.799
<v Speaker 1>especially if Kat was talking about how he's scared of

0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:47.399
<v Speaker 1>a guy at forty four, which okay, I don't want

0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:50.919
<v Speaker 1>to turn this into the David Hellman LSU Tiger Hour,

0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and I try not to do that on this. I mean,

0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:55.879
<v Speaker 1>we talk about Jalen dartin so I am I'm curious,

0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:59.759
<v Speaker 1>and so Kat's just Kat must love Jalen Smith because

0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:03.920
<v Speaker 1>he's out on drafting linebackers early, and that's fine, and Vendish,

0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:07.439
<v Speaker 1>that's yeah, good point. But all right, so you don't

0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:09.120
<v Speaker 1>like what they have and you don't want to draft

0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:11.440
<v Speaker 1>a linebacker. So I'm at a loss for your I'm

0:54:11.480 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 1>at a loss for what's going on in KT fun

0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Land over there, but trying to pay you here on

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.960
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing. God we are play four so close

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:26.680
<v Speaker 1>to the rails. Wait, okay, why here's my thing? Why? Well,

0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:28.880
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying is I would rather have a camera

0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:32.960
<v Speaker 1>groan Amani rice a hafanga in round four. It picked

0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:36.960
<v Speaker 1>one fifteen. Okay, I just linebacker is a valuable position

0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:39.040
<v Speaker 1>to me. It's just not well it's it's not a

0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:41.600
<v Speaker 1>top ten position, but I think, I mean, I think

0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:44.479
<v Speaker 1>I think it is. If there's a guy worth taking

0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:46.719
<v Speaker 1>at forty four, I think you do it. Which that

0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:49.120
<v Speaker 1>is the question I wanted to ask. I feel like

0:54:49.280 --> 0:54:52.640
<v Speaker 1>neither one of y'all really loves Jabril Cox. And I'm

0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 1>not saying he's the you know, he ain't Devin White,

0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:57.759
<v Speaker 1>But what is it about him that you don't like?

0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:04.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that he and jam And Davis in Kentucky, like,

0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I think they're actually exact opposites. Like jam And Davis

0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:12.879
<v Speaker 1>is an awesome run player and as a coverage guy,

0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 1>he's got a lot to prove. Jabril Cox is an

0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:19.319
<v Speaker 1>outstanding coverage guy. Yes, and I think he's a bad

0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:22.400
<v Speaker 1>run defender, like I think his fits are bad. The

0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:26.360
<v Speaker 1>diagnos is bad, the actual tackling itself is not good.

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.879
<v Speaker 1>So it's a linebacker who's a bad run player, Which

0:55:29.920 --> 0:55:32.040
<v Speaker 1>is a really interesting question because I do believe coverage

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:34.040
<v Speaker 1>is super important today it's NFL. That's why he has

0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:36.399
<v Speaker 1>so much value. But when a guy's not a good

0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:38.319
<v Speaker 1>run defender, what do you do see that? I put

0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:42.719
<v Speaker 1>him in the cheat around two three. I agree with

0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:45.440
<v Speaker 1>everything you just said, but I feel completely different. I'm

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:47.960
<v Speaker 1>just like, give me the guy that can cover, and

0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:50.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm more familiar with Jabril Cox than a lot

0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.440
<v Speaker 1>of these guys. I think that's because we're hurt because

0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:56.640
<v Speaker 1>our linebackers can't necessarily cover. We're scarred by the fact

0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:58.719
<v Speaker 1>that we want to cover his linebacker coverage. You want

0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:01.200
<v Speaker 1>to see that coverage is what you can't teach. I

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:03.520
<v Speaker 1>would like I would like to think that a coach,

0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:05.799
<v Speaker 1>a good coach can teach to play down hill can

0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:09.880
<v Speaker 1>make you a better run defender, Like anybody with athleticism

0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.240
<v Speaker 1>who is big enough to play in the NFL should

0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:15.160
<v Speaker 1>be able to learn how to tackle better and you know,

0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 1>work against the run better. I don't know if you

0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:19.160
<v Speaker 1>can teach a guy how to move in space and

0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:21.360
<v Speaker 1>keep up with some of these athletes that are playing

0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:25.239
<v Speaker 1>offense these days. So I'll and that's just me. I mean,

0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:27.759
<v Speaker 1>it's like different flavors of flavors of ice cream. But like,

0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I would rather try to teach Jabril Cox how to

0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:33.319
<v Speaker 1>tackle than draft a guy that can't cover and hope

0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:35.560
<v Speaker 1>that he can magically learn how to do that. So

0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to try and get two questions in here

0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 1>before we're done with the show. First from Grady says

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:43.440
<v Speaker 1>to piggyback off of what Brian broad has said. On

0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:47.840
<v Speaker 1>last week's show, Brian tried to trade that the tenth

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:51.200
<v Speaker 1>overall pick for Chase Young. That's unrealistic. We kind of

0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:53.720
<v Speaker 1>hit that on the show. But what if Washington offered

0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:56.879
<v Speaker 1>you the pick number nineteen and then also dron Payne

0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.200
<v Speaker 1>for number ten. Is that a little bit more realistic?

0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:02.080
<v Speaker 1>And would that be some thing you would be interested in? Jeff,

0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:06.160
<v Speaker 1>you're already shaking your head no, because I agree with

0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Brian because we're kind of kicking it around on radio.

0:57:10.120 --> 0:57:14.600
<v Speaker 1>And the thing with Washington is like, Okay, their division rival.

0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Is that going to stop me from trading with them

0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:19.160
<v Speaker 1>if I think it's my best offer? It's not. But

0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:23.840
<v Speaker 1>if they're coming up for their quarterback, they're not giving

0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:28.120
<v Speaker 1>me a solid defensive tackle in nineteen for their future quarterback.

0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:30.600
<v Speaker 1>You're not doing it like. That's why I actually think

0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:34.880
<v Speaker 1>the Chase Young thing might seem far fetched, But that

0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:37.800
<v Speaker 1>would be the very beginning of my conversation. If Washington

0:57:37.880 --> 0:57:41.080
<v Speaker 1>calls is you want your future quarterback, well, then you're

0:57:41.080 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna give me your stud pass rusher and number nineteen,

0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and that'll be the beginning of our conversation. If that

0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:48.600
<v Speaker 1>doesn't begin a conversation, we got nothing to talk about

0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:51.680
<v Speaker 1>because you're wanting me to give you a quarterback. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's either nineteen and next year's one and then some

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<v Speaker 1>or it's let's talk about Chase Young. Yeah, that goes well. Hey,

0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:03.200
<v Speaker 1>hey what we got we gotta ride Fitzpatrick though we

0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:05.280
<v Speaker 1>got ride Fitzpatrick, though you got him, make this trade,

0:58:05.280 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>we got fitz magic. Huh huh huh. Looking forward to

0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:10.920
<v Speaker 1>playing against him, and one of the games against us,

0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:13.080
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna throw four scores and he's gonna beat us

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<v Speaker 1>by seventeen. The other one he's gonna throw four picks

0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna win by thirty. So it'll be great

0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:22.520
<v Speaker 1>going five and eleven this year. Well, get your games right,

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<v Speaker 1>It goes true. Yeah, that's true. Well, wow, I gotta

0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:29.240
<v Speaker 1>think about that. I don't want to put words in

0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:31.080
<v Speaker 1>your mouth. I don't want to put words in your mouth.

0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:33.680
<v Speaker 1>That goes Like when we argued about this the first time,

0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Brian was like, well, congratulations, they're they're gonna hang up

0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:38.400
<v Speaker 1>the phone. They're not gonna trade with you. I'm like,

0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:41.920
<v Speaker 1>that's fine, meet my price or buzz off, Like true,

0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm not helping quarterback. I'm not helping my division rival

0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:48.640
<v Speaker 1>find a franchise quarterback. Honestly, I might not do it

0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:51.600
<v Speaker 1>no matter what. But if I do it, you are

0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:54.919
<v Speaker 1>going to pay well. And like, oh no, you're gonna

0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:56.320
<v Speaker 1>hang up the phone on me. Guess I just have

0:58:56.360 --> 0:58:58.800
<v Speaker 1>to pick a great player. What was me like, I

0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:02.120
<v Speaker 1>want Yeah, I want to Ron Payne and next year's

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<v Speaker 1>one and nineteen or or I want Chase Young and

0:59:05.680 --> 0:59:09.080
<v Speaker 1>next year's or whatever, like I want a crazy price.

0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:12.040
<v Speaker 1>If I'm expecting a team that I have to play

0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:16.240
<v Speaker 1>twice a year to do business with me um into

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<v Speaker 1>a question. But okay, And just to follow that up,

0:59:19.720 --> 0:59:22.440
<v Speaker 1>like everybody is thinking it's absurd because Chase Young is

0:59:22.440 --> 0:59:25.160
<v Speaker 1>so good, which he was supposed to be, But think

0:59:25.160 --> 0:59:28.320
<v Speaker 1>about it. This way. Picking Chase Young for Washington was

0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:32.680
<v Speaker 1>a massive mistake. Messive, How much better is that team

0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:37.400
<v Speaker 1>if they picked Justin Herbert? M? Yeah, that's true. Is

0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:40.520
<v Speaker 1>ten times brighter if they picked Justin Herbert. You want

0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:43.160
<v Speaker 1>me to help you get your quarter knowing dude, wash helmet,

0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:45.520
<v Speaker 1>you won't give me your defense end. Washington is a

0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:48.720
<v Speaker 1>quarterback away from Gosh, that was a really I don't

0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:50.280
<v Speaker 1>want to I don't want to say that they would

0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:52.440
<v Speaker 1>run this division if they had a good quarterback. But

0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:55.440
<v Speaker 1>that is a scary freaking team with a good quarterback.

0:59:55.800 --> 0:59:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I would be if that was Justin Herbert, I'd be

0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:01.800
<v Speaker 1>scared for the next decade. And instead of Kyle Allen

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<v Speaker 1>last year, and it should have been. I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not trying. I'm not trying to help them find that

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<v Speaker 1>puzzle piece unless they are really gonna pay me well

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<v Speaker 1>for it. I don't know. If they wanted to give

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<v Speaker 1>me two firsts and maybe talk about a defensive end

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<v Speaker 1>or somebody like that, to go up and pick mac Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>I might let them do it, because I don't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also just not super Jane the quarterback. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. Yeah that's but I can't let them know

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<v Speaker 1>that before they agree to the press. You play it

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<v Speaker 1>up like, oh man, Mac Jones, this guy, look at

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<v Speaker 1>this guy. Yeah, no, that's that's the way you do it,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Final question, and this one I was semi

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<v Speaker 1>forced to Matt Jones forced to throw into this. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So my girlfriend Lorena asked, if you could could make

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<v Speaker 1>sure the Cowboys take Kyle Pitts at ten, but you

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't contact your significant other or your best friend. If

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have a significant other for a month, would

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<v Speaker 1>you do it? You wouldn't talk to anybody significant your

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<v Speaker 1>best friend, but the Cowboys or just help saying Kyle,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just helping Kyle Yeoman's get brownie points here today.

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<v Speaker 1>Necessarily true. Um, I don't know what I'm going to answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that supposed to be? Yes? I do. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be considered a significant cost? Is that the

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<v Speaker 1>idea it supposed to be something that would be supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be something that you give up from? Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is I mean, as long as as long as you're

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to tell them first. I'm sure I do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just I had to be able to clear cold turkey. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. You can't know they can't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Oh, they're not gonna look Kyle Pitts

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<v Speaker 1>go Yeah, good pig, Chris, it's just popped on Xbox.

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<v Speaker 1>What Yeah, that's said? Are we talking about your relationship?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No No, No, this is you because I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to put it out there as the only

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<v Speaker 1>single guy on this show. This is easy. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't love my friends that much. Give me,

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Pitts. I'd love to see you go a month

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<v Speaker 1>without talking to Chuck. I want to see this. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I can get to do that one No, I could

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I just spent a week with her in Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 1>I could absolutely do that. Just never talk to her again.

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<v Speaker 1>The best thing ever for my relationship would be to

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<v Speaker 1>not talk to her for a month because she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be around me. She's annoyed by me. It'd

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<v Speaker 1>be great for her. No, I've been I've been around.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been around how often Jeff spends on FaceTime with

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<v Speaker 1>his significant other, And I just don't think that would

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<v Speaker 1>go very well for there you go. No, I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I for Kyle Pitts, I would say no, I

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<v Speaker 1>would not do that. But if it's Rashawn s later

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<v Speaker 1>a Pennay sul Oh talk, that's so lame. Might you

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<v Speaker 1>would make that sacrifice offensive offensive line? I like, I

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<v Speaker 1>like the potential there, But that's gonna do it for

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<v Speaker 1>us here on the Draft show. So glad you've been

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<v Speaker 1>with us here over the last hour, for Chris Bean,

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<v Speaker 1>for David HELLMT, Jeff Cavanaugh, Kevin KT Turnerho pulls out

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<v Speaker 1>the guitar right at the end, I'm Kyle Yeoman's We'll

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<v Speaker 1>see you on Thursday, Draft nine days away. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you next day, every bird. This has been a production

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<v Speaker 1>of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.