Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
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Speaker 1: host Kyle Yeoman's We are into the single digits. We
Speaker 1: are nine days away from the NFL Draft. April twenty
Speaker 1: ninth is fast approaching. Happy April twenty if everybody, as
Speaker 1: we are just nine days away and Cleveland, Ohio is
Speaker 1: starting to feel the ramifications of the draft on the horizon,
Speaker 1: and so as the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show,
Speaker 1: as we have got an entire show full of fan questions. Yes,
Speaker 1: we normally do Twitter on the twenty, but as Katie
Speaker 1: Best said it yesterday in our group text, this is
Speaker 1: Twitter on the zero, Twitter on the twenty, and Twitter
Speaker 1: on the forty, all at the same time, because we're
Speaker 1: gonna do the entire show full of fan questions. And Dave,
Speaker 1: I feel like this is kind of overdue, because I mean,
Speaker 1: we've had just fan involvement through the roof, throughout this
Speaker 1: entire process, and we've just answered like six questions. I
Speaker 1: It's it's not a knock on you. If anything, I
Speaker 1: think I think it's a byproduct of the zoom era.
Speaker 1: It just takes longer to have these conversations. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like we've probably only answered ten questions this
Speaker 1: entire year. So yeah, good, let's let's get to it.
Speaker 1: Let's give the people what they want. Absolutely, We've got
Speaker 1: David Hellman, We've got Kevin, Katie Turner, Jeff Kavanaugh, I'm
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's glad you're with us, and Katie, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is your idea, but you got to give back
Speaker 1: to the fans after all the help that they've given
Speaker 1: us in terms of Twitter on the twenty all year long. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get the frustration, Like, hey guys, guys, we sent
Speaker 1: you a bunch of questions. You got to two of them.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know what, we're nine days away.
Speaker 1: Instead of us talking about Sir tan Verse one one
Speaker 1: more time, let's just helping this bad boy up. And Hey,
Speaker 1: I like to improv, you know, I'd like to be random.
Speaker 1: So I kind of I kind of like that we
Speaker 1: got everyone asking questions and hopefully we can make a
Speaker 1: lot of Cowboys fans happy today. All right, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start things out by shooting this first question right
Speaker 1: at Jeff Cavanaugh. The reason why is because it is
Speaker 1: a little bit random. But you mentioned Horn, you mentioned
Speaker 1: Sir Tan. How about I throw another top corner name
Speaker 1: in there for this first question. This comes from a
Speaker 1: guy named Tank Commander O R. L on Twitter and
Speaker 1: he says, do we have any indication on how the
Speaker 1: Cowboys feel about Caleb Farley's medical situation with the possible
Speaker 1: trade backup into the first round be a target for Dallas?
Speaker 1: Is Caleb Farley a potential despite his medical situation? Mister
Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanaugh, sure. I mean, first of all, I'd like
Speaker 1: to say hello to Tank Commander. That's a pretty bad ass,
Speaker 1: So what's up, Tank Commander? And I'd like to apologize
Speaker 1: to everyone for just how long winded Katie and Dave
Speaker 1: are all the time. We would have gotten so many
Speaker 1: more questions. The Caleb Farley thing's impossible because you're only
Speaker 1: the only way you're going to know what teams are
Speaker 1: gonna do with Caleb Farley is if you have access
Speaker 1: to the team doctors and trainers of each team. You
Speaker 1: know all the reports are positive. But that's the way
Speaker 1: it's going to be because the report's going to come
Speaker 1: from the player and his people, so you know, the combine,
Speaker 1: medical rechecks, all those things. Teams are gonna have them.
Speaker 1: But you can look at the Cowboys history. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: aren't afraid of hurt guy. A lot of times they're
Speaker 1: looking for when can I get hurt guy at an
Speaker 1: incredible value? And with Caleb Farley, I think if you
Speaker 1: just look at kind of the consensus opinion, the thought
Speaker 1: is probably that he still goes in the middle to the
Speaker 1: the back of the first round. Will the Cowboys be
Speaker 1: interested in making a move to do that? Maybe if
Speaker 1: they went offense at ten and you felt desperate to
Speaker 1: do something at corner But you know, I'm I'm dug
Speaker 1: in on my thoughts on Caleb Farley. Bad backs don't
Speaker 1: get better, and like, if you want to give me
Speaker 1: that gift at forty four and I'll take my chances,
Speaker 1: that's one thing. But giving up picks to move around
Speaker 1: and do that, I'm out. Yeah, I think that's pretty
Speaker 1: perfectly put. The one thing. I mean, we know there's
Speaker 1: interest there, like I know the Cowboys are. They've done
Speaker 1: their homework on all of these cornerbacks that we've talked
Speaker 1: about a million times. But Jeff's right, like, you know,
Speaker 1: people tend to keep medical close to the vest for
Speaker 1: obvious reasons. And the only way I could really see
Speaker 1: that making senses if they don't draft a corner at ten,
Speaker 1: which I think we would all agree that's what we
Speaker 1: expect to happen. Certainly doesn't mean it's going to but
Speaker 1: I can't imagine them giving up picks to get Caleb
Speaker 1: Farley if they draft a guy at ten. If for
Speaker 1: some reason that doesn't happen, and like Jeff said, the
Speaker 1: desperation kind of kicks in. Maybe I think it's pretty unlikely. Though.
Speaker 1: It was a real buz kill when all that stuff
Speaker 1: came out about him, even though we kind of knew
Speaker 1: a little bit about it. But to find out that,
Speaker 1: I mean, how close are we to calling this like
Speaker 1: chronic back injuries? And when it's kind of went up
Speaker 1: and smoked that he wouldn't go at ten, and I
Speaker 1: was just kind of like, I don't it. It was
Speaker 1: just a bummer. It's a real bummer. So to me,
Speaker 1: we start talking about it back, I start talking about
Speaker 1: you in the second round. But now I can say
Speaker 1: till with the Packers, the Chiefs and all else, teams
Speaker 1: late of the Saints with their Marshawn Lattimore situation. Your
Speaker 1: team's picking late in the first round, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: that's a good spot for Caleb Varley. Maybe it is.
Speaker 1: And I mean there's some connection I think between Caleb
Speaker 1: Varley and the Cowboys. I mean there's definitely been that
Speaker 1: mutual interest, and of course ever since he was kind
Speaker 1: of that top prospect, that's something that the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: been very interested in, and maybe they kind of keep
Speaker 1: that in the back of their mind if he does slip.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that trading backup is a is
Speaker 1: a huge possibility, at least for Farley. I think you
Speaker 1: could trade up for somebody else. And that actually brings
Speaker 1: me to the second question. This comes from Jake. He says,
Speaker 1: is there any buzz on Jeremiah Owusu Coromoa? If the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were locked in on him, should they take him
Speaker 1: at ten or is that a reach? If it's a reach,
Speaker 1: what range should they try to maneuver in to get him? Dave,
Speaker 1: I'll send this one to you. That's, you know, going
Speaker 1: back to the part about their being interest. Like I
Speaker 1: think you talk about buzz, I haven't heard anything that
Speaker 1: suggests that he's on that short list of guys that
Speaker 1: they would draft at ten. And again, like you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like a broken record sometimes like doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean that's what's going to happen. Like I don't ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb wasn't really on that list last year because nobody
Speaker 1: thought he'd be available at seventeen. And you know, sometimes,
Speaker 1: especially the pandemic aspect of all this has made it
Speaker 1: way harder than ever before. Like you know, zoom offers
Speaker 1: a certain amount of privacy. It's you know, if you
Speaker 1: think back Jeff and Kat, you probably remember this, Like
Speaker 1: remember when Zeke was a prospect. He likes he put
Speaker 1: all of his visits out on Snapchat. He would be like,
Speaker 1: I'm in Philly today, I'm in New York today, and
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, cool, Like we know, we know exactly
Speaker 1: what Zeke's doing, and that's not really happening because guys
Speaker 1: can't visit facilities. So I'm not I'm not hearing a
Speaker 1: lot of buzz about him. I really I can't imagine
Speaker 1: that he would be their pick at ten almost no
Speaker 1: matter what happens. But I think the conversation changes if
Speaker 1: they trade back I think I think it would make
Speaker 1: sense to pick him between fifteen and twenty, but again, like,
Speaker 1: how likely is that to happen? So, and he's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite players, I would probably draft him at ten,
Speaker 1: especially if the cornerbacks for some reason are gone. But
Speaker 1: that's the thing is, I don't think they will be,
Speaker 1: so unless they trade back, it's kind of hard for
Speaker 1: me to imagine that happening. Katie, you know, I like
Speaker 1: Coramoa over Parsons, you know a little bit. Now. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was just a puff piece, but
Speaker 1: if y'all read this article, a physics professor in the
Speaker 1: United States Navy, but he went to Notre Dame, so
Speaker 1: I'm not surehere he was a press track wrote this
Speaker 1: article about Cormoa's tackling and talking about how much he
Speaker 1: speeds up right before impact. And he just did this
Speaker 1: big study on him unleashing more force on the ball
Speaker 1: carrier than anyone that he had studied. It was a
Speaker 1: very interesting piece. I mean, obviously, like you're playing fast
Speaker 1: and you're playing harden, you're gonna tackle, but just talking
Speaker 1: about how quickly before he makes the tackle he gears
Speaker 1: up and speeds up to create more force, and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, that's kind of incredible study that I'd
Speaker 1: never really thought of before. But again, that guy went
Speaker 1: to Notre Dame, so it could have just been a
Speaker 1: you know, a puff piece. But you know, for me,
Speaker 1: fifteen for the Patriots makes a lot of sense that
Speaker 1: that's kind of feels like a kind of a good zone.
Speaker 1: I wish the Cowboys were interested at ten if they
Speaker 1: got wiped out, But you know, I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: like Certain enough. I think they like Horn enough. I
Speaker 1: think they like Slater enough, and I think they feel
Speaker 1: pretty confident they're gonna have what they need at ten
Speaker 1: instead of you know, trying to move back or things
Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, who knows, who knows? Du they're not.
Speaker 1: They're not talking much and slip it up like they
Speaker 1: usually do. If the Cowboys will let my dream come
Speaker 1: true and let Captain trade down ride and he rides
Speaker 1: right on down there to fifteen picks up number forty
Speaker 1: six from New England, that's a dude I would love
Speaker 1: for them to consider. My guess is this is going
Speaker 1: to be unfair to Dan Quinn, but this is life.
Speaker 1: Such as life, Dan, Welcome to DFW. The Cowboys for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. I have not a lot of faith that
Speaker 1: they could figure out a way to use a guy
Speaker 1: who you would consider a weapon in a proper way,
Speaker 1: because that's my favorite thing about Jeremiah Usu Cormoa is
Speaker 1: that maybe he's a weak side linebacker, maybe he's a
Speaker 1: strong safety, whatever. Maybe in Nickel and Dime you're doing
Speaker 1: different things with him, And nothing about the Cowboys organization
Speaker 1: just makes me think they would deploy that properly. But
Speaker 1: if they p him, I would hope so, because I
Speaker 1: think the NFL is so much about matchups now and
Speaker 1: teams are trying to put you in bad matchups. J
Speaker 1: Okay is matchup proof. I don't care where he ends up.
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's motion to running back out and j
Speaker 1: Okay has to cover, and well that running back ain't
Speaker 1: getting open. He has to cover a linebacker, he's got
Speaker 1: to run the alley. Whatever. He's matchup proof. I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan. If we can get kept trade down to
Speaker 1: ride to fifteen, let's go. I would at least I'm
Speaker 1: gonna god, I want to give dan Quinn some benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt. Just I don't know, and I mean,
Speaker 1: I agree with everything you just said overall, but a
Speaker 1: lot of that is because for the vast majority of
Speaker 1: the last decade it was the same people calling the
Speaker 1: shots on the defensive side of the ball. Those people
Speaker 1: aren't here anymore, I know. I mean, it was a
Speaker 1: disaster with a new coach last year, so that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's going to be better, but can't get much worse,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's it's a it's not an apples
Speaker 1: to apples comparison. But you know, Christohshard showed up and
Speaker 1: was like, well, why are you playing Byron at safety?
Speaker 1: He needs to be a corner And that turned out
Speaker 1: to be pretty smart. So maybe dan Quinn could come
Speaker 1: in and figure out how to use the guy like that.
Speaker 1: But it might be a mood point because again, unless
Speaker 1: they trade back, I don't think that's very likely. Well,
Speaker 1: in this next question from Joshua Chewie and I'm putting
Speaker 1: that on like that's literally how it's spelled Twitter, Joshua
Speaker 1: Chewi says, Dave talk trade down versus trade up. I mean,
Speaker 1: we just talked about trading down potentially, but he says
Speaker 1: if he thinks that they actually went down in the draft,
Speaker 1: they would also trade back up. So you have a
Speaker 1: little bit of both worlds where you trade down, maybe
Speaker 1: pick up a couple of selections, use those to get
Speaker 1: back into the first round. Thoughts on what players they
Speaker 1: could target if that's the potential, Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: that seems that is a growing topic. And I guess
Speaker 1: it's just because the Cowboys have enough capital to pull
Speaker 1: that off. Yeah, it's it just seems so unlikely to me, Like,
Speaker 1: I know it's happened before in the history of the draft,
Speaker 1: but like, how many times do you see a team
Speaker 1: do that, like, do both things on Day one of
Speaker 1: the draft. I certainly possible, just doesn't very likely. Um,
Speaker 1: but act like on it and maybe not Jeremiah Usu Coromoa,
Speaker 1: but guys like that, like a guy that doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense at ten but might slip again. We already talked
Speaker 1: about Farley, so we don't need to do that again.
Speaker 1: But I think that makes a lot of sense, particularly
Speaker 1: if they don't draft a cornerback or you know, we
Speaker 1: know that they've been looking at linebackers. I'm not the
Speaker 1: I won't be the first person to point out Zavian Collins,
Speaker 1: but again, probably not a guy that you are interested
Speaker 1: in at ten. But if he's still hanging around there
Speaker 1: as the first round comes to a close, or maybe
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the second round. Maybe that's something
Speaker 1: that you try to do or another thing that really
Speaker 1: moves the needle a lot as offensive tackles and pass rushers,
Speaker 1: Like if a if a Tevin Jenkins or a Alex
Speaker 1: Leatherwood is slipping and you got a chance to do
Speaker 1: something like that or or a boogie bash him, It
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me. I like I said, it would it
Speaker 1: would surprise me to see him do both on the
Speaker 1: same day. But yeah, tackles and pass rushers typically have
Speaker 1: a way of making people jump up like that. Jeff,
Speaker 1: there's a there's it. I think a couple of names
Speaker 1: that when you were just saying that scenario, there were
Speaker 1: if you traded down and then wanted to trade back up,
Speaker 1: a couple of those scenarios I guess for me would
Speaker 1: be like again, I go to my dream home. My
Speaker 1: dream home is at fifteen, and I take I don't
Speaker 1: think one of the top two corners would make it
Speaker 1: that far. But if so sweet, you take jac Horne.
Speaker 1: But let's say you take Greg Newsom the northwestern corner
Speaker 1: at fifteen, or Elijah Vera Tucker, the USC offensive lineman
Speaker 1: who could play tackle war guard. Then I like the
Speaker 1: name Zavian Collins. How about Christian Barmore as a guy
Speaker 1: that in the mid to late twenties. If he's still
Speaker 1: floating or you don't even like him, always come back
Speaker 1: up for I don't love I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 1: a normally we're really respectful. Well, no, normally we're very
Speaker 1: respectful and and measured with our words. I've learned these
Speaker 1: things from the great Brad Sham, who's always incredibly fair
Speaker 1: to everyone. It's the worst defensive tackle class I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: and Christian Barmore is probably the best prospect of the class.
Speaker 1: And the Cowboys will like that. The Cowboys will like
Speaker 1: Alabama big stage, played well in the biggest games. So
Speaker 1: you know, if you are looking for an impactful defensive
Speaker 1: lineman and he's there at twenty seven twenty eight, you've
Speaker 1: already traded down and gotten more capital, and you've already
Speaker 1: picked a corner or an offensive lineman. It's a name
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me, whether I think it's a
Speaker 1: good idea or not. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, the names,
Speaker 1: the names I'm gonna throw out Dave. I think mentioned
Speaker 1: Zavin Collins. I know they like Xavid Collins. YEA like
Speaker 1: Xavid Collins at twenty five is though, you know, late
Speaker 1: first round area with offensive tackle, I can kind of
Speaker 1: be picky and wait there. I can wait on an
Speaker 1: Eikenberg that caused me. It's even maybe later down the road.
Speaker 1: James Hudson from Cincinnati. Tevin Jenkins, you mentioned like, I
Speaker 1: don't really feel like I have to jump into the
Speaker 1: first to get a off to tackle. Another name went
Speaker 1: through out there is Jalen Phillips. What if teams just
Speaker 1: passed on him because of the concussions and the medicals
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. You know, that's something he might
Speaker 1: jump back in for another corner. I think everyone loves
Speaker 1: is Greg Newsome, but I don't think the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna love Greg Newsom because we start looking at the
Speaker 1: length of Greg Newsome. His linked is more in the
Speaker 1: area of like and Elijah Molden from Washington, and I
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna want to do that. And maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they maybe I'm wrong, but if they didn't, if
Speaker 1: they took a corner at ten, I don't really think
Speaker 1: they would double dip at corner and move to double
Speaker 1: dip at corner. But like, those are some names that
Speaker 1: I would kind of circle though and would consider moving
Speaker 1: up for. But I don't know if they would. But
Speaker 1: I think Zavian Collins is a name that they're attracted
Speaker 1: to and have been for a while. So as a
Speaker 1: as a I agree, I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not with you on the offensive tackle
Speaker 1: thing though, Just be like, those guys are so rare
Speaker 1: and Okay, we think two are definitely going to go
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen. Jeff already mentioned Elijah Vera Tucker,
Speaker 1: which everything I've read and seen suggests he could go
Speaker 1: anywhere from like the mid teens to the mid twenties.
Speaker 1: And then you're talking about guys like again Leatherwood Jenkins,
Speaker 1: Like those guys could very well and even likely be
Speaker 1: first round picks. If all that happens, those guys could
Speaker 1: all be gone by like so no, thank you, Christian
Speaker 1: derrisaw as well, So like all those guys could be
Speaker 1: gone by like pick twenty eight, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're like, um, it's Leah Meikenberger. Bust. If we want
Speaker 1: one of the top or time guys, maybe Cosm but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that could be a long wait to forty
Speaker 1: four if you've got your eyes on one of those guys.
Speaker 1: So and if you're planning on waiting to seventy five,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be even in more trouble. Sure if you're
Speaker 1: trying to get a tackle. If if you're gonna get
Speaker 1: a tackle in this draft, I think you have to
Speaker 1: do it round one or round two. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: also been very vocal about that though, not that I
Speaker 1: would ever want to dispute a kat fund tweets report
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys interest level in Greg Newsom. But I
Speaker 1: just want to say this for my own selfish purposes,
Speaker 1: just to get it on record. If Greg Newsom is
Speaker 1: a healthy career, I would make him the favorite to
Speaker 1: have the best career out of this cornerback class. Wow.
Speaker 1: So I think if the Cowboys aren't interested in Greg Newsom,
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys are wrong, wrong, I say, noted
Speaker 1: for posterity. Yeah, that's all. That's just me just dunking
Speaker 1: all over Katie's neck on a Tuesday. Is it Tuesday? Hey?
Speaker 1: I love Newsome, Hey, I love Newsom. I love Newsom.
Speaker 1: I just think some teams are gonna look at him
Speaker 1: and go, man, where are your arms? Six or one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: With arms, he's got the reach of Elijah Molden reach
Speaker 1: man watch Congress. Godzilla reach matters man, but Godzilla, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you what happened. Yeah, I haven't
Speaker 1: watched it yet. Just then, you just spread bad information
Speaker 1: with what you just said about Godzilla and calm, not
Speaker 1: the football stuff, but the Godzilla stuff. I do about
Speaker 1: the arm reaches. Reach is important, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about it a lot. But Jordan Lewis didn't
Speaker 1: hit the height requirements that the Cowboys prefer, but he
Speaker 1: had the reach to make up for it. So maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you're onto something that which Elijah
Speaker 1: moldendn't meet their reach cho didn't meet their reach requirements,
Speaker 1: but he got picked like he's just stuff is I
Speaker 1: think it matters when it matters. Yeah, it's not an
Speaker 1: exact science. Whenever Rashawn Slader has short arms, Rashawn Slader
Speaker 1: is going to be a Pro Bowl left tackle if
Speaker 1: somebody lets him play tackle. It's true. I just care
Speaker 1: because it doesn't aff him because he knows how to play. Like,
Speaker 1: I just hate it. I only like the short arms
Speaker 1: or the height or offensive lineman who don't have long
Speaker 1: enough reach. If it hurts him on the football field,
Speaker 1: then you go, Okay, that sucks that guy's off because
Speaker 1: he can't overcome that. But with guy like Greg Newsom
Speaker 1: is a baller, I don't care if his arms are
Speaker 1: six inches too much. Does it bother you that he's
Speaker 1: at a season ending injury all three years of college.
Speaker 1: He's only played twenty career college games and he got
Speaker 1: flagged at time. I mean that bothers me, and that's
Speaker 1: why I don't have him in the first round. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the injuries bothered me on Newsome. That's why
Speaker 1: I said, if he's healthy, I think he might have
Speaker 1: the best career because I just think when you compare
Speaker 1: him to the top two corners, this year's athletic testing
Speaker 1: has been really weird. Like it's going to tell you
Speaker 1: that JC Horn and Patrick Curtan are the elite of
Speaker 1: elite athletes for NFL corners, and I don't buy that
Speaker 1: for a heartbeat. They're good athletes, but they're not elite athletes.
Speaker 1: These pro days with hand timer's, but throw it all out.
Speaker 1: I'm glad they're good athletes, So Greg Newsom is just
Speaker 1: more fluid than both of them. Like you if you
Speaker 1: don't get your hands on a guy at the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and he's running a slant and go, or
Speaker 1: he's running a post corner, or he's running a double move.
Speaker 1: Greg Newsom just has He's a more fluid mover than
Speaker 1: both of them. So I think he's the stickiest one
Speaker 1: in coverage. I think he can run any coverage you
Speaker 1: ask him too. I think he's intelligent on the field.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot that Greg Newsom does. The
Speaker 1: injuries are the only thing that actually stopped me from
Speaker 1: having him as cornerback number one, because I think at first,
Speaker 1: when I was watching him, I just saw so much
Speaker 1: kind of relaxed and conservative cover three at Northwestern that
Speaker 1: I was like, now, I want to see him do more.
Speaker 1: But the more you watch you now you do see
Speaker 1: him in press, you do see him playing man. And
Speaker 1: I think that if he had no injury history and
Speaker 1: he was just a totally clean slate, I think he
Speaker 1: would be the best. And real quick. I know, I
Speaker 1: know we're gonna get off, but seventy eight and a
Speaker 1: half inch wing span for sirten seventy seven, winks span
Speaker 1: on Horn you get to Newsom and I'm rounding up
Speaker 1: here seventy four. That's a difference to teams, and that's
Speaker 1: just not in the same realm of where Farley horns
Speaker 1: Certan and Eric Stokes ont Kelvin Joseph who's a little
Speaker 1: shorter and he's got a really good wingspan. I mean, Jeff,
Speaker 1: with the visual aid there, I really appreciate that this
Speaker 1: is from this is with both of our arms pointing
Speaker 1: all the way out. There's this is the difference. Hey,
Speaker 1: that matters when you're playing Aaron Rodgers, my guy. That
Speaker 1: it's just a much different situations. Yeah, I think there's
Speaker 1: I just think there's more to knock news There's more
Speaker 1: to knock Newsom on than what maybe people are talking.
Speaker 1: I think I think you can both be right. I
Speaker 1: still like him, honestly, I think you can both be
Speaker 1: right about this. That's kind of a lame answer, though,
Speaker 1: I didn't want the two to be right. That's I'm
Speaker 1: here to be the lame arbiter, like that's what I do,
Speaker 1: be the mediator between the two, here to fight broa.
Speaker 1: But that's Jeff just wants to drop gloves all the
Speaker 1: time with that, and he likes I'm more of a
Speaker 1: Kumbaya kind of guy. He likes he likes his ar
Speaker 1: Darius Washington's, he likes his Greg Newsome's. They if they
Speaker 1: wear purple, he loves them. That's just kind of what
Speaker 1: don't you guys take your measurements term sideways and you
Speaker 1: may deposit them directedly wherever you want. Thank you. All Right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna move on and take our first break. When
Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna talk about that defensive tackle
Speaker 1: class that well we've talked about already might be the
Speaker 1: worst we've ever seen, and maybe the guy that's up
Speaker 1: at the top isn't necessarily the guy we think is
Speaker 1: up at the top. But we're gonna talk about that
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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. Glad you're with us. David Helman, Kyle Yomen's,
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanall, Kevin kt Turner and I know we've already
Speaker 1: been doing this, but I've got to put the sounder up,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go ahead and pitch. Let's go into
Speaker 1: some twitter on the twenty maybe there it is, there
Speaker 1: it is, We got it. I tried to give a
Speaker 1: lead in there. All right, This one comes from the
Speaker 1: nueltorious and you'll you'll know why I'm saying the nueltorious one.
Speaker 1: Whenever it comes to Marvin Wilson, I'd be more concerned
Speaker 1: with his injury history than his twenty twenty film. Of course.
Speaker 1: Marvin Wilson defensive tackle out of Florida State. He said
Speaker 1: he could he can explain the bag twenty twenty film
Speaker 1: as compared to his really really good twenty nineteen film.
Speaker 1: But he just can't ignore the injuries. Don't believe he
Speaker 1: ever finished a season at Florida State. Jeff, what do
Speaker 1: you think about Marvin Wilson? We talked about this D
Speaker 1: tackle class just not being good, but he's one of
Speaker 1: those top names, and well, his film in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: wasn't good and injury history. Where do you rank him
Speaker 1: on your board? Marvin Wilson. I'm debating if he's gonna
Speaker 1: be my top D tackle over Christian Barmore or not.
Speaker 1: That's where I am with Marvin Wilson. And I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people will have him as like a
Speaker 1: third or fourth or fifth round guy after twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: but I just don't because my only question about Marvin
Speaker 1: Wilson is I want my team to do their background
Speaker 1: in terms of how did somebody who was such a
Speaker 1: dominant force as a I don't have this age in
Speaker 1: front of me, but probably what an eighteen and nineteen
Speaker 1: year old in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, maybe a
Speaker 1: nineteen and a twenty year old become so much less
Speaker 1: dominant Because I've seen him line up in the role
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play him in the NFL, and I've seen
Speaker 1: him dominated and I saw him doing it for multiple
Speaker 1: years against people who were older than him. I think
Speaker 1: Marvin Wilson, he's like Mike greg Knwsom of the defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: If I can just say, okay, different defensive coordinators, different schemes,
Speaker 1: meniscus in the knee during the twenty twenty season, and
Speaker 1: I can go hump if I can get him healthy.
Speaker 1: And I say this with knowing nothing about him personally,
Speaker 1: nothing about his football care or work ethic or anything.
Speaker 1: But if Mike Scots tell me that his twenty twenty
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with just like not loving it
Speaker 1: or not working at it and it was just that
Speaker 1: he was banged up and they'd switched schemes, then to me,
Speaker 1: Marvin Wilson's the best d tackle in this class because
Speaker 1: his eighteen and nineteen film I think is more consistently
Speaker 1: dominant than Christian Barmore at any point in his career.
Speaker 1: So that's Marvin Wilson. So many people are thinking like
Speaker 1: maybe even day three guy, and I'm looking at him
Speaker 1: like Gallie. I mean, I've seen him line up and
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm going to ask him to do in
Speaker 1: the NFL and absolutely dominate for multiple years, and we're
Speaker 1: just gonna write that off. Marvin Wilson is potentially a study.
Speaker 1: It was not fair to Marvin Wilson to go as
Speaker 1: quick David. It's it's not fair for Marvin Wilson to go,
Speaker 1: you know, line up at the five technique and he
Speaker 1: had to do that, and it's just not good for him.
Speaker 1: Like so like things like that is kind of annoying.
Speaker 1: It's kind of is very tough about sometimes evaluating these guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a game from a few years back
Speaker 1: when he just wiped out McKay Beckton and he was
Speaker 1: playing outside and even though that's not like his position,
Speaker 1: you could see the explosion. And I think that's what's
Speaker 1: so frustrating about the Stephen's tackle class is the consistency.
Speaker 1: You have these guys with Marvin Wilson and Bartimore who
Speaker 1: at times when you see them flash, you're going, holy crap.
Speaker 1: Aline McNeil is another guy when you see him flash
Speaker 1: here on holy crap. And then you have these like
Speaker 1: less exciting guys like Tommy Toby. Guy, he's a good player,
Speaker 1: but he's not exciting, he's not explosive, and oh, he's
Speaker 1: just a good run player, strong, and that's where it
Speaker 1: kind of gets frustrating for me. I have Marvin Wilson
Speaker 1: the second round because I'm banking on what he can
Speaker 1: be and not what he was at times at Florida State.
Speaker 1: And I just encourage everyone who watches some of these
Speaker 1: Florida State guys Janarius Robinson and Kane as well, keep
Speaker 1: it on. These guys were are extremely good athletes, especially
Speaker 1: coming out of high school into college, and they dealt
Speaker 1: with coaching changes and they dealt with a ton of
Speaker 1: stuff at Florida State that really did not help their
Speaker 1: development at all. Get him into an NFL locker room,
Speaker 1: into a system, and I like these guys is really
Speaker 1: good value those other guys in day three and I
Speaker 1: still have a second round grade on Marvin Wilson. Now
Speaker 1: forty four, you're gonna have to tell me who's on
Speaker 1: the board. They're gonna be probably some other guys there
Speaker 1: I like more, but yeah, he's definitely a consideration for
Speaker 1: me there. I think a big and this is more
Speaker 1: so media than the actual teams, but like those of
Speaker 1: us in the media, it feels like it's so much
Speaker 1: about momentum, Like j. C. Horne's a great example of like,
Speaker 1: and Jeff, You're right, like these pro days are totally fogus.
Speaker 1: But you know JC Horne runs a four to three nine,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, people are like, oh, he
Speaker 1: might be just as good as certain and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: the tape never changed, and that's how it. Like Marvin
Speaker 1: Wilson and Christian Barmore. The last time I saw Christian Barmore,
Speaker 1: he was beating up two of the best teams in
Speaker 1: the country. And Marvin Wilson, you know, twenty nineteen feels
Speaker 1: like a lifetime ago, especially you know, with the pandemic
Speaker 1: and everything is, and so I feel more this is
Speaker 1: just me, totally subjective. I feel more confident betting on
Speaker 1: a guy who was kicking ass in his last game
Speaker 1: as opposed to a guy where I'm like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: I can help him rediscover what he used to be.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem. I wouldn't have a problem
Speaker 1: drafting him. It's a classic case. I do this all
Speaker 1: the time where I'm like, wouldn't be excited about drafting
Speaker 1: him at forty four, but maybe a little bit later
Speaker 1: on just because I think in the top fifty, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to. I shouldn't be asking questions
Speaker 1: about a guy that I'm at drafting in the top fifty,
Speaker 1: Like I should just be like, this guy is ready
Speaker 1: to go, and I don't have to worry about injuries
Speaker 1: or the fact that he didn't play very well last year.
Speaker 1: And I think I kind of ride the fence a
Speaker 1: little bit. I'm pulling a David Hellman here in that regard,
Speaker 1: But I agree with what you're saying. It's fun on
Speaker 1: the fifth it is. You get to have both opinions.
Speaker 1: But if you're in the top fifty and you're getting
Speaker 1: a guy at defensive tackle, you've done this before where
Speaker 1: you've had questions, Right trist Nill, I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: that wasn't top he was. You're right, but Marvin Wilson
Speaker 1: could also be a bad player. Tristan Hill. Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: had some very exciting flashes like his just like plays.
Speaker 1: But I can't compare a guy who had fifteen flash
Speaker 1: plays at Central Florida to a dude who was dominant
Speaker 1: at Florida State for multiple years. Well that's not fair.
Speaker 1: He was Doriston Hill was a run mare. Nilly liked
Speaker 1: that he got off the ball well twelve times. You are,
Speaker 1: You're not wrong about that, yeah, But I mean, whenever
Speaker 1: you're talking about Marvin Wilson consensus five star, I mean
Speaker 1: he was one of the top recruits in the country
Speaker 1: able to come out of high school and then once
Speaker 1: again was able to translate that game to the college
Speaker 1: level in twenty nineteen, but just wasn't able to do
Speaker 1: it in twenty twenty. That worries me that, And like
Speaker 1: you said, there's guys that figure it out at the
Speaker 1: college level, and that guys that just don't nest early
Speaker 1: take it to the next level. If Marvin Wilson would
Speaker 1: have came out last year, he would have been a
Speaker 1: lock to go early day too. Instead, he wanted to
Speaker 1: try and go rise up draft boards and try and
Speaker 1: make a Derek Brown type of jump. And if you
Speaker 1: would have done that, then sure you would have had that.
Speaker 1: But instead he just had a mediocre year and kind
Speaker 1: of pitter patter down the stretch. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what has a lot of teams worried to k to
Speaker 1: Kat's point, I just have to believe that there would
Speaker 1: be a guy available that I'd be more excited about
Speaker 1: drafting at forty four. I mean, yeah, I would be
Speaker 1: a lot more excited if there was another name called
Speaker 1: other than Marvin Wilson. All Right, this question comes from
Speaker 1: John Nelson. He said Zeke had his best years with
Speaker 1: a good blocking fullback. Any chance that Dallas looks at
Speaker 1: a fullback or maybe even a blocking tie it in
Speaker 1: in the latter rounds and who could that potentially be.
Speaker 1: I've got a couple names that come to mind. First,
Speaker 1: one is a fun little pet cat at fullback out
Speaker 1: of the Senior Bowl, Ben Mason from Michigan. That would
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun for me, I think, as
Speaker 1: they don't necessary utilize a fullback and they already cut
Speaker 1: the one that they had, But there's some guys in
Speaker 1: this draft that could be blockers. I just I'm doing
Speaker 1: this right off the rip with no research done whatsoever.
Speaker 1: But like, is that is that even true? Like in
Speaker 1: Zeke has been on the team since twenty sixteen, Like
Speaker 1: I know, you know they had Keith Smith for a
Speaker 1: little while Jamaze while I was here. I would go
Speaker 1: I would bet I'd bet ten dollars without even looking
Speaker 1: at it that they in that entire time frame of
Speaker 1: fullback has never played more than like ten to twelve
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps, like they used Keith in short
Speaker 1: yardage situations sometimes, but like this was never the nineties,
Speaker 1: you know, like it wasn't like Moose Johnson where you're
Speaker 1: just constantly bulldozing people. So I don't necessarily think I
Speaker 1: agree with that premise, which is why if they were
Speaker 1: to get a fullback, just do it in priority free
Speaker 1: agency like they do that every year anyway that you know,
Speaker 1: you sign a guy who can do a little bit
Speaker 1: of both. Shiwo Alana Lua kind of fits that role
Speaker 1: right now, especially since they released Jamay's I mean, if
Speaker 1: there's a guy, if there's a guy they like that's
Speaker 1: available after the draft, go for it. But I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to spend a draft pick on one kat and
Speaker 1: tight ends. With a new fullback, you can use tight
Speaker 1: ends there, and that's what I think. You know, we
Speaker 1: saw him run the belldozer in there a couple times
Speaker 1: last year, right like, um, she maybe shot Sean McKinnon
Speaker 1: can maybe do that. Um, I'm not spending a draft
Speaker 1: pick on a guy who's just a fullback. But it's
Speaker 1: a fun position that I definitely played in junior high
Speaker 1: and I totally went the fullback to stay alive a
Speaker 1: little bit. Go draft kat, I would like to say
Speaker 1: that I um I have a fullback for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: He plays at Alabama. His name is Jalen Waddle. Because
Speaker 1: there's no point in having two hundred fifty pound dudes
Speaker 1: whose job is to run in a hole and mash
Speaker 1: into a run defender and bringing a you're rundefender into
Speaker 1: the box. In the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: the idea that fullbacks still exists and non Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: offenses is absurd and I will not stand for it.
Speaker 1: The fullback is what you would get if Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: came back, and we don't need that. Okay, say no
Speaker 1: to fullbacks. A matter of fact, it's about time to
Speaker 1: start saying no to tight ends running four wide, and
Speaker 1: then the next step is gonna be saying goodbye to
Speaker 1: running backs and going five wide and let your quarterback run.
Speaker 1: Now we're dancing, let's go. Now the fullbacks out. You
Speaker 1: just want, you just need a running back who can
Speaker 1: catch the ball. But I'm with you over like ten personnel.
Speaker 1: That's the wave that's the move man. Yeah, you hate
Speaker 1: twelve personnel. I can't unless one of those when less
Speaker 1: one of those two tight ends is Kyle Pitts, I
Speaker 1: can't stand it. That would be fun though, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that could get you excited. Personnel likes two tight ends.
Speaker 1: Oh all, all the head coaches like two tight ends
Speaker 1: because they're all, you know, fifty plus and refused to
Speaker 1: let go of some of those concepts. But that's okay.
Speaker 1: Talking about some of these guys that could maybe jump
Speaker 1: up into the top ten. Ja Stender on Twitter says
Speaker 1: it is well discussed the possible top ten picks with quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, wide receivers, tight ends, corners. Who is someone
Speaker 1: that we're not talking about that could jump into the
Speaker 1: top ten and make things really interesting? And another option
Speaker 1: to ship someone down to pick number ten. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start with kat on this one, Katie, anybody that's outside
Speaker 1: of the top ten conversation that could slip in. It
Speaker 1: feels like he slipped out of the conversation. But Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons deserves to be in that conversation. I could see it.
Speaker 1: De Troy at seven pulling the you know, doing that,
Speaker 1: you know, if Seul and Slater are both gone at eight.
Speaker 1: You know, does Elijah Vera Tucker get into that top
Speaker 1: ten conversation? Maybe? You know, I don't know if he
Speaker 1: deserves to be that high pretty close for that, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I'm a guy who's not one
Speaker 1: in love with jac Hornet pick ten, So you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think this is the whole thing. Like
Speaker 1: getting into the top ten. It's very easy to narrow
Speaker 1: it down and get what you want. It's different than
Speaker 1: when you're picking seventeen and you're kind of flipping coins
Speaker 1: on who you got over there. Ten. You narrow it down,
Speaker 1: you get one or two guys, you know who you want,
Speaker 1: and that no better be who you get. Yes, I
Speaker 1: don't know if we're really leaving anyone out. I yes,
Speaker 1: I would say go to the linebacker. J Ok and
Speaker 1: Parsons perhaps should be in that conversation. I would go
Speaker 1: to pass rushers. I think if you're gonna have a surprise,
Speaker 1: he would play on the edge because it's just such
Speaker 1: an important position. So like my order would be Adularry Phillips,
Speaker 1: bash him, pay Turner Oway. But we were talking about
Speaker 1: the NFL, and so we got to read tea leaves,
Speaker 1: so I would say Quitty pay would be the guy
Speaker 1: who could throw it off and be a top ten pick.
Speaker 1: Jeff took the words right out of my mouth, just
Speaker 1: because he's got the craziest upside of the bunch, like
Speaker 1: and you know, the college production wasn't there, but with
Speaker 1: the numbers that he turned in, and I know you
Speaker 1: can't completely trust pro days, but I just think his
Speaker 1: athleticism is on that level where if a team just
Speaker 1: absolutely wants to take a swing at a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: I think he would be the one. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm it's hard to imagine this happening, but you know,
Speaker 1: maybe if maybe if Slater and Sewell are gone, or
Speaker 1: maybe maybe somebody just like loves Dary Saw or like
Speaker 1: Jenkins more than some or Elijah Vera Tucker may you know,
Speaker 1: I think back a couple of years, well even last
Speaker 1: year the Giants kind of shocked everybody when they took
Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas first among all of those offensive tackles, and
Speaker 1: the year before that, the Raiders took Cleveland Farrell and
Speaker 1: just blew everybody away. So you know, just because the
Speaker 1: common logic says, like Slater sewel and then everybody else,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that every team agrees with that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, pass rushers and offensive tackles, I think always
Speaker 1: have a chance to shake things up. I would have
Speaker 1: originally said mac Jones just based off of where I
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna go initially, but I think that's
Speaker 1: already kind of been pretty much taken care of. He's
Speaker 1: probably going in the top ten, and somebody's gonna try
Speaker 1: and take him in the top ten. I can still
Speaker 1: see him slipping out. I think Micah Parsons, like you said,
Speaker 1: if somebody really falls in love with him and they're
Speaker 1: not necessarily as concerned about the off the field issues,
Speaker 1: or maybe they think he's a better player than he
Speaker 1: is on the field, and maybe they go up and
Speaker 1: get him. But that's pretty much the extent of it.
Speaker 1: I think the top ten of this draft is pretty straightforward.
Speaker 1: By the way, last year, when we did our mock
Speaker 1: draft of the top the top thirty two picks, we
Speaker 1: got nine of the ten picks in the first round, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, we were It's pretty easy usually to be
Speaker 1: able to say. I think that's a thing that's happening
Speaker 1: right now is like we're all we're bored. Every Cowboys
Speaker 1: haven't picked this high up in a while. Like we're
Speaker 1: bored of We're like, surely gonna happen, Surely there's something
Speaker 1: else that could change. It's like, no, not really, there's
Speaker 1: probably thirteen names that make sense for these ten spots,
Speaker 1: and it's I'm kind of bored of talking about it too,
Speaker 1: but I think that's what's gonna happen. So why guys
Speaker 1: like Jeff Kavan I want to talk about Jalen Waddle
Speaker 1: at ten instead of talking about Jeff Spender. Guys banging
Speaker 1: on that drum since like the SEC Championship. I don't
Speaker 1: blame him though, you guys like winning. I've got a
Speaker 1: wide receiver for you, Jeff. And this next question, how
Speaker 1: about that? Goodness? I lost it already, all right? So
Speaker 1: Vance on Twitter says, why is no one talking about
Speaker 1: Shy Smith out of South Carolina? Insanely productive, showed out
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl and comes from a college that
Speaker 1: produces really good receivers. He loves the idea of taking
Speaker 1: him in the fourth or the fifth round, and that's
Speaker 1: really where the Cowboys would have to find a burner
Speaker 1: like that ran of four four three, he had a
Speaker 1: one six ten yards split. I mean the broad jumps,
Speaker 1: the vertical jumps were good led the team in receiving. Jeff,
Speaker 1: do you know a whole lot about Shy Smith and
Speaker 1: why are we not talking about him as a Cowboys
Speaker 1: option late in the draft? Well, I dig the alliteration
Speaker 1: in his name. It's a cool sounding name. And I
Speaker 1: heard kat make sounds when you said his name. I'm
Speaker 1: currently cramming on my wide receivers to get prepared to
Speaker 1: have some twelve wide receivers and he is not one
Speaker 1: of them. So Katie gets sexy with it. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: he's a slot guy at five to nine. The thing
Speaker 1: about Shy Smith is he made some really really impressive catches.
Speaker 1: I remember the Senior Bowl and a lot of impressive catches.
Speaker 1: But if you're talking about Shy Smith and you're kind
Speaker 1: of taking by Jalen Darden to pick away, so I
Speaker 1: serve my big issues. But Shi Smith's a good player.
Speaker 1: The thing about Shi Smith is how incredibly aggressive he
Speaker 1: is at all times as a route runner. And usually
Speaker 1: those slut guys seem a little more nuanced, you know,
Speaker 1: more kind of joy sticky, and I don't really see
Speaker 1: that as much with him. I kind of see him
Speaker 1: as just kind of run through a guy to get
Speaker 1: across and kind of get open a little bit. He's
Speaker 1: kind of more of a you know, an A to
Speaker 1: B type guy. And I'm not saying he's not shifty.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he's not as shifty as you know
Speaker 1: the Jalen Darden's who I just you know, talked about.
Speaker 1: So again, I like him highly productive UM in his
Speaker 1: in his career UM fourth round, fifth round for me
Speaker 1: on my wide receiver chart. Uh, as I got through
Speaker 1: my wide receiver rankings, there's just so many of them.
Speaker 1: Ten his wide receiver twenty for me. Yeahs, fifth round
Speaker 1: at just the wrong USC, Sat Brown. There you go,
Speaker 1: son fun. It's different types of players though, I mean,
Speaker 1: Saint Brown is the seventh receiver on my board, whereas
Speaker 1: Shy Smith's eighteen. I agree with the production though from
Speaker 1: Shy Smith and the question that was asked. I mean
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel Brian Edwards, two receivers that have notably gone
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years that have had immediate
Speaker 1: impacts in the NFL, and Shy Smith has been just
Speaker 1: as productive with those guys in the lineup. And then
Speaker 1: he was a productive without those guys in the lineup.
Speaker 1: So I think over the course of his career, you
Speaker 1: could look at it and say, Shy Smith's been just
Speaker 1: as good as those two guys have during their time
Speaker 1: at South Carolina. Why can't we talk about him the
Speaker 1: same way, especially if he's going to fit that slot role,
Speaker 1: which he's quick enough, he's big enough, he's shifty enough
Speaker 1: to be able to do that in the NFL. I
Speaker 1: like him a lot. And I know we always say
Speaker 1: I made this joke on Twitter like a month ago.
Speaker 1: We always say like, don't scout the helmet, don't scout
Speaker 1: the program. But at this point, I'm like, oh, he
Speaker 1: was a stud at South Carolina. He's probably pretty damn good.
Speaker 1: Whenever he has production playing alongside those guys, that's gonna help.
Speaker 1: And without absolutely I don't have a problem with him,
Speaker 1: other than maybe that I'm a little bit spoiled. You know,
Speaker 1: we got for so many years it was like, well,
Speaker 1: Dez is the X and Terence is the Z, and
Speaker 1: Beasley has to play in the slot because that's what
Speaker 1: he does. And now you know, Amari and Lamb are
Speaker 1: so damn versatile, and I'm a little bit spoiled. By
Speaker 1: having guys that can move all over the place, and
Speaker 1: I feel like Shy Smith, maybe he can play on
Speaker 1: the outside, but I assume he would be primarily a slot.
Speaker 1: I'd be perfectly fine drafting him on Day three, But
Speaker 1: I think there are other guys that are a little
Speaker 1: bit more reversatile that I think I would rather have.
Speaker 1: But I do like we probably haven't talked enough about
Speaker 1: drafting a receiver because you have ten picks, it's a
Speaker 1: loaded class, and we don't know what the future holds
Speaker 1: from Michael Gallop, and so I absolutely love the idea
Speaker 1: of restocking the depth chart. Probably not with not with
Speaker 1: one of the first four picks, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it would It would be a lot of fun to
Speaker 1: use a Day three pick. And if I mean, if
Speaker 1: Shy Smith is who they picked, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: complain about it. What do you feel like the odds
Speaker 1: are that the Cowboys do pick a receiver with ten
Speaker 1: picks in the middle of this draft. Ten picks, I bet,
Speaker 1: and who knows if who knows if they'll even make
Speaker 1: all ten picks, But yeah, I think they've got six
Speaker 1: picks on Day three right now. I bet one of
Speaker 1: them will be a receiver or like the class is
Speaker 1: too deep, and you know between Gallop and obviously Noah
Speaker 1: Brown and Cedric Wilson don't have long term situations here. Again,
Speaker 1: I think with a class this loaded, I think it's
Speaker 1: very smart to just sort of try to keep that
Speaker 1: conveyor belt moving and that way. You know, not not
Speaker 1: that that you're trying to kick Michael Gallop off the team,
Speaker 1: but it gives you option. It gives you options for
Speaker 1: the future, and you can get a really really good
Speaker 1: player in the fourth, fifth, sixth round. And even better,
Speaker 1: you don't have to play him right away like he
Speaker 1: don't don't You don't need to lean on him as
Speaker 1: a rookie. So I hope they do it. For sure.
Speaker 1: If shy Smith ended up as a Cowboy, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be upset, don't nor should you. Like I said, there
Speaker 1: are other guys I like more, But that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I dislike shy Smith at all. There you go. When
Speaker 1: we come back here on the Draft show, who is
Speaker 1: a starting linebacker the Cowboys could potentially draft in Day
Speaker 1: two that could be a starter. We're gonna see if
Speaker 1: we can answer that question and many more. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: com Draft Show. Final segment here of the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com Draft Show. So glad you've been with us
Speaker 1: here over the last forty eight minutes. Kyle Yeoman's, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin KT Turner, and Jeff find me a
Speaker 1: linebacker that the Cowboys could draft Day two? Who could
Speaker 1: start immediately? Ernie asked this question on Twitter. Is there
Speaker 1: one available? Oh? Yeah, well start immediately? Who are you
Speaker 1: kicking off the team you kick? If you make that decisions,
Speaker 1: you have your starting limit. Okay, Well, the NFL on
Speaker 1: he plays two starting linebackers, so whoever you pick is
Speaker 1: not starting until you decline lv's fifth year option and
Speaker 1: you get rid of number fifty four it for this season.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, you can figure that out later. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, it depends on how the draft falls, because
Speaker 1: you know, every year you start talking about, oh, I'd
Speaker 1: love to have this guy at this pick, and then
Speaker 1: the whole world goes he's not good at falling there
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, well you got CDLA at seventeen.
Speaker 1: So my guy would obviously beat Nick Bolton, the Missouri linebacker,
Speaker 1: if you can find a way to get him to
Speaker 1: forty four, which is not impossible because he's five foot
Speaker 1: eleven and he didn't test well athletically, so NFL teams
Speaker 1: are gonna go, oh, small unathletic linebacker. When do I
Speaker 1: pick him? And my answer is forty four if the
Speaker 1: NFL will let you, because I love Nick Bolton. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I got a list of guys. So if
Speaker 1: any of you guys are big fans of any of
Speaker 1: these guys individually, feel free to talk about him. But
Speaker 1: you got well, we say that Parsons is gone, Zavian
Speaker 1: Collins is gone, and Jayman Davis has gone by forty
Speaker 1: four maybe and think so, yeah, that's pretty safe, okay,
Speaker 1: And even if so, I would say, you've got guys
Speaker 1: like Baron Brownie at Ohio State, who I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of, Jabrille Cox at LSU. I like, Okay, Dylan
Speaker 1: Moses is interesting, but I don't trust him. Pete Warnard,
Speaker 1: Ohio State. My guy Jones, what's Ernest Jones? I believe
Speaker 1: that South Carolina And I mean I've got more and
Speaker 1: more and more and more guys. Yes, you can find
Speaker 1: lineback round day two, and I think there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a chance for some pretty good value on one. Baron
Speaker 1: Browning is on the shortlist of picks that would make
Speaker 1: me do a backflip. I just met four. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's probably where you'd have to take him.
Speaker 1: And I just, I just I like his game a lot.
Speaker 1: I think I think he could fall to seventy five.
Speaker 1: It's and that like I I never I try not
Speaker 1: not just a sweet spot, like he's not at forty
Speaker 1: four seventy five, he's still more in between. I try
Speaker 1: not to peck guys because like we're wrong all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Ja Jam and Davis. Nobody was
Speaker 1: talking about until three weeks three, four weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: now it's like that he was the first round, well
Speaker 1: not only first round. People are like he might not
Speaker 1: last at number twenty, So it's hard to peck this stuff.
Speaker 1: I just I know you can get Baron Browning on
Speaker 1: day two. And I like his game a lot. I
Speaker 1: like his athleticism. He hits, he gets to the ball carrier,
Speaker 1: he makes plays, and yeah, like if you needed him too,
Speaker 1: I think he could start right away and you don't
Speaker 1: have to spend a crazy expensive resource on him. And
Speaker 1: unless it was bolted, I don't think I would have
Speaker 1: loved a linebacker at forty four, but I would love
Speaker 1: or I would like Browning at forty four over jimbro Cox,
Speaker 1: And those are all guys who I would not mind
Speaker 1: at all at seventy five because I do think you
Speaker 1: still have to be kind of picky up there in
Speaker 1: the top fifty and things like that. So whilst at
Speaker 1: Baron Browning he always kind of looked for that guys.
Speaker 1: When we talked about this earlier with Marvin Wilson, it's
Speaker 1: a little different conversation with Baron Browning. You do give
Speaker 1: him some bonus points for getting better as his career
Speaker 1: went on. So that's something that Baron Browning absolutely did.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had out standing production and got better
Speaker 1: as his career went on, and I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of important. So again, day two is a good thing.
Speaker 1: But I really don't want anything to do with linebacker
Speaker 1: at ten or forty four, to be honest. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: well how about that. I've got to know I've got
Speaker 1: a thing that I'll make you happy. Then how about
Speaker 1: another Ohio State linebacker? A little bit later on Blake
Speaker 1: Kenson on Twitter asked would Pete Warner fit the Cowboys
Speaker 1: as a hybrid linebacker and what round would you target him?
Speaker 1: And I guess you're not does not like the question.
Speaker 1: CD is anti Pete Warner always has, just does not
Speaker 1: like him at all. Pete Wurn's fine. I think Pete
Speaker 1: Warner on tape, I'll be honest. I was just like, Oh,
Speaker 1: here's a guy that's kind of not all that athletic
Speaker 1: and drops that he does are very basic, but he'll
Speaker 1: do his job. So I was like fourth, fifth round.
Speaker 1: And then his athletic testing was way better than I
Speaker 1: thought it would be. I didn't think he was that athletic,
Speaker 1: So I think that helps Pete Warner. I bet he's
Speaker 1: like a third round guy. If I had to guess,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to be the team
Speaker 1: that does that there. But Mike, I mean, again, as Dave,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna use the weird word Dave was using,
Speaker 1: but I don't like to try to guess exactly where
Speaker 1: it's going to go. Wow, Pete Warner, Jeffrey Hug third round,
Speaker 1: Jesus Jesus, jeff some of those numbers on Werner in
Speaker 1: his athletic testing four point five nine, one point five six.
Speaker 1: He had a pretty good jump, actually a top three
Speaker 1: vertical in the linebacker class, just under forty inches thirty
Speaker 1: nine and a half is what he was measured at.
Speaker 1: So you're right. I mean the numbers stuck out for him,
Speaker 1: and on tape he's fundamentally sound. He has a great history.
Speaker 1: I mean, his dad played football and baseball for DePaul
Speaker 1: University and he was a tight end for two years
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He's had the pedigree, he has the athleticism.
Speaker 1: Why not try and take a guy like that later on,
Speaker 1: especially if Kat was talking about how he's scared of
Speaker 1: a guy at forty four, which okay, I don't want
Speaker 1: to turn this into the David Hellman LSU Tiger Hour,
Speaker 1: and I try not to do that on this. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talk about Jalen dartin so I am I'm curious,
Speaker 1: and so Kat's just Kat must love Jalen Smith because
Speaker 1: he's out on drafting linebackers early, and that's fine, and Vendish,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, good point. But all right, so you don't
Speaker 1: like what they have and you don't want to draft
Speaker 1: a linebacker. So I'm at a loss for your I'm
Speaker 1: at a loss for what's going on in KT fun
Speaker 1: Land over there, but trying to pay you here on
Speaker 1: what you're doing. God we are play four so close
Speaker 1: to the rails. Wait, okay, why here's my thing? Why? Well,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I would rather have a camera
Speaker 1: groan Amani rice a hafanga in round four. It picked
Speaker 1: one fifteen. Okay, I just linebacker is a valuable position
Speaker 1: to me. It's just not well it's it's not a
Speaker 1: top ten position, but I think, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I think it is. If there's a guy worth taking
Speaker 1: at forty four, I think you do it. Which that
Speaker 1: is the question I wanted to ask. I feel like
Speaker 1: neither one of y'all really loves Jabril Cox. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's the you know, he ain't Devin White,
Speaker 1: But what is it about him that you don't like?
Speaker 1: I think that he and jam And Davis in Kentucky, like,
Speaker 1: I think they're actually exact opposites. Like jam And Davis
Speaker 1: is an awesome run player and as a coverage guy,
Speaker 1: he's got a lot to prove. Jabril Cox is an
Speaker 1: outstanding coverage guy. Yes, and I think he's a bad
Speaker 1: run defender, like I think his fits are bad. The
Speaker 1: diagnos is bad, the actual tackling itself is not good.
Speaker 1: So it's a linebacker who's a bad run player, Which
Speaker 1: is a really interesting question because I do believe coverage
Speaker 1: is super important today it's NFL. That's why he has
Speaker 1: so much value. But when a guy's not a good
Speaker 1: run defender, what do you do see that? I put
Speaker 1: him in the cheat around two three. I agree with
Speaker 1: everything you just said, but I feel completely different. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, give me the guy that can cover, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm more familiar with Jabril Cox than a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys. I think that's because we're hurt because
Speaker 1: our linebackers can't necessarily cover. We're scarred by the fact
Speaker 1: that we want to cover his linebacker coverage. You want
Speaker 1: to see that coverage is what you can't teach. I
Speaker 1: would like I would like to think that a coach,
Speaker 1: a good coach can teach to play down hill can
Speaker 1: make you a better run defender, Like anybody with athleticism
Speaker 1: who is big enough to play in the NFL should
Speaker 1: be able to learn how to tackle better and you know,
Speaker 1: work against the run better. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can teach a guy how to move in space and
Speaker 1: keep up with some of these athletes that are playing
Speaker 1: offense these days. So I'll and that's just me. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like different flavors of flavors of ice cream. But like,
Speaker 1: I would rather try to teach Jabril Cox how to
Speaker 1: tackle than draft a guy that can't cover and hope
Speaker 1: that he can magically learn how to do that. So
Speaker 1: I want to try and get two questions in here
Speaker 1: before we're done with the show. First from Grady says
Speaker 1: to piggyback off of what Brian broad has said. On
Speaker 1: last week's show, Brian tried to trade that the tenth
Speaker 1: overall pick for Chase Young. That's unrealistic. We kind of
Speaker 1: hit that on the show. But what if Washington offered
Speaker 1: you the pick number nineteen and then also dron Payne
Speaker 1: for number ten. Is that a little bit more realistic?
Speaker 1: And would that be some thing you would be interested in? Jeff,
Speaker 1: you're already shaking your head no, because I agree with
Speaker 1: Brian because we're kind of kicking it around on radio.
Speaker 1: And the thing with Washington is like, Okay, their division rival.
Speaker 1: Is that going to stop me from trading with them
Speaker 1: if I think it's my best offer? It's not. But
Speaker 1: if they're coming up for their quarterback, they're not giving
Speaker 1: me a solid defensive tackle in nineteen for their future quarterback.
Speaker 1: You're not doing it like. That's why I actually think
Speaker 1: the Chase Young thing might seem far fetched, But that
Speaker 1: would be the very beginning of my conversation. If Washington
Speaker 1: calls is you want your future quarterback, well, then you're
Speaker 1: gonna give me your stud pass rusher and number nineteen,
Speaker 1: and that'll be the beginning of our conversation. If that
Speaker 1: doesn't begin a conversation, we got nothing to talk about
Speaker 1: because you're wanting me to give you a quarterback. So
Speaker 1: it's either nineteen and next year's one and then some
Speaker 1: or it's let's talk about Chase Young. Yeah, that goes well. Hey,
Speaker 1: hey what we got we gotta ride Fitzpatrick though we
Speaker 1: got ride Fitzpatrick, though you got him, make this trade,
Speaker 1: we got fitz magic. Huh huh huh. Looking forward to
Speaker 1: playing against him, and one of the games against us,
Speaker 1: he's gonna throw four scores and he's gonna beat us
Speaker 1: by seventeen. The other one he's gonna throw four picks
Speaker 1: and we're gonna win by thirty. So it'll be great
Speaker 1: going five and eleven this year. Well, get your games right,
Speaker 1: It goes true. Yeah, that's true. Well, wow, I gotta
Speaker 1: think about that. I don't want to put words in
Speaker 1: your mouth. I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Speaker 1: That goes Like when we argued about this the first time,
Speaker 1: Brian was like, well, congratulations, they're they're gonna hang up
Speaker 1: the phone. They're not gonna trade with you. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's fine, meet my price or buzz off, Like true,
Speaker 1: I'm not helping quarterback. I'm not helping my division rival
Speaker 1: find a franchise quarterback. Honestly, I might not do it
Speaker 1: no matter what. But if I do it, you are
Speaker 1: going to pay well. And like, oh no, you're gonna
Speaker 1: hang up the phone on me. Guess I just have
Speaker 1: to pick a great player. What was me like, I
Speaker 1: want Yeah, I want to Ron Payne and next year's
Speaker 1: one and nineteen or or I want Chase Young and
Speaker 1: next year's or whatever, like I want a crazy price.
Speaker 1: If I'm expecting a team that I have to play
Speaker 1: twice a year to do business with me um into
Speaker 1: a question. But okay, And just to follow that up,
Speaker 1: like everybody is thinking it's absurd because Chase Young is
Speaker 1: so good, which he was supposed to be, But think
Speaker 1: about it. This way. Picking Chase Young for Washington was
Speaker 1: a massive mistake. Messive, How much better is that team
Speaker 1: if they picked Justin Herbert? M? Yeah, that's true. Is
Speaker 1: ten times brighter if they picked Justin Herbert. You want
Speaker 1: me to help you get your quarter knowing dude, wash helmet,
Speaker 1: you won't give me your defense end. Washington is a
Speaker 1: quarterback away from Gosh, that was a really I don't
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to say that they would
Speaker 1: run this division if they had a good quarterback. But
Speaker 1: that is a scary freaking team with a good quarterback.
Speaker 1: I would be if that was Justin Herbert, I'd be
Speaker 1: scared for the next decade. And instead of Kyle Allen
Speaker 1: last year, and it should have been. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not trying. I'm not trying to help them find that
Speaker 1: puzzle piece unless they are really gonna pay me well
Speaker 1: for it. I don't know. If they wanted to give
Speaker 1: me two firsts and maybe talk about a defensive end
Speaker 1: or somebody like that, to go up and pick mac Jones,
Speaker 1: I might let them do it, because I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm also just not super Jane the quarterback. Oh no,
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah that's but I can't let them know
Speaker 1: that before they agree to the press. You play it
Speaker 1: up like, oh man, Mac Jones, this guy, look at
Speaker 1: this guy. Yeah, no, that's that's the way you do it,
Speaker 1: all right. Final question, and this one I was semi
Speaker 1: forced to Matt Jones forced to throw into this. Okay,
Speaker 1: So my girlfriend Lorena asked, if you could could make
Speaker 1: sure the Cowboys take Kyle Pitts at ten, but you
Speaker 1: couldn't contact your significant other or your best friend. If
Speaker 1: you don't have a significant other for a month, would
Speaker 1: you do it? You wouldn't talk to anybody significant your
Speaker 1: best friend, but the Cowboys or just help saying Kyle,
Speaker 1: we're just helping Kyle Yeoman's get brownie points here today.
Speaker 1: Necessarily true. Um, I don't know what I'm going to answer.
Speaker 1: Is that supposed to be? Yes? I do. Is that
Speaker 1: supposed to be considered a significant cost? Is that the
Speaker 1: idea it supposed to be something that would be supposed
Speaker 1: to be something that you give up from? Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is I mean, as long as as long as you're
Speaker 1: allowed to tell them first. I'm sure I do that.
Speaker 1: Just I had to be able to clear cold turkey. No,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't know they can't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Oh, they're not gonna look Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: go Yeah, good pig, Chris, it's just popped on Xbox.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, that's said? Are we talking about your relationship?
Speaker 1: No? No No, No, this is you because I wanted to.
Speaker 1: I wanted to put it out there as the only
Speaker 1: single guy on this show. This is easy. I don't
Speaker 1: like I don't love my friends that much. Give me,
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. I'd love to see you go a month
Speaker 1: without talking to Chuck. I want to see this. Oh,
Speaker 1: I can get to do that one No, I could
Speaker 1: do that. I just spent a week with her in Hawaii.
Speaker 1: I could absolutely do that. Just never talk to her again.
Speaker 1: The best thing ever for my relationship would be to
Speaker 1: not talk to her for a month because she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be around me. She's annoyed by me. It'd
Speaker 1: be great for her. No, I've been I've been around.
Speaker 1: I've been around how often Jeff spends on FaceTime with
Speaker 1: his significant other, And I just don't think that would
Speaker 1: go very well for there you go. No, I like it.
Speaker 1: So I for Kyle Pitts, I would say no, I
Speaker 1: would not do that. But if it's Rashawn s later
Speaker 1: a Pennay sul Oh talk, that's so lame. Might you
Speaker 1: would make that sacrifice offensive offensive line? I like, I
Speaker 1: like the potential there, But that's gonna do it for
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Speaker 1: for David HELLMT, Jeff Cavanaugh, Kevin KT Turnerho pulls out
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