1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 2: College Basketball Front and Center not in a good way. 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Yesterday seventeen former college basketball players listed as defendants in 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: an indictment. Fifteen of the players participated in the twenty 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four or twenty twenty four to twenty 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: five seasons. And if you have actually played this season 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: and you start to look at the numbers being thrown 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: around of the amount of money bet on some of 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: these games, betting amounts four hundred and fifty eight thousand 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: dollars for North Carolina A and T to lose against thousand, 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty four thousand on Ken State to 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: cover the first half spread against Buffalo, two hundred seventy 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: five thousand for Southern miss to not cover a first 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: half spread against South Alabama. Two hundred and fifty six 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: thousand dollars for Robert Morris to flop in the first 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: half of a game against Northern Kentucky. Now, there's a 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: couple things to think about here. These are smaller schools. 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: You're gonna get nil, but not as much as you 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: think a lot of these schools still they do pay nil. 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: But also you're going to do this with a first 22 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: half cover. It's easier to pull something off like this 23 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: of not playing well in the first half and then 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 2: you play hard in the second half. You've already covered 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: the bet, you're going to get paid. But the fact 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: that you had this amount of money, I'm surprised that 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: these games weren't flagged. Our good buddy, Matt Norlander, CBS 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: Sports has been covering this. These are big numbers, Matt. 29 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: How did somebody not notice this when they were actually happening. 30 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: Well, this has been investigated for more than a year. 31 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: I actually expected this story. I was told that the 32 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 3: FEDS wanted to try and get the story out before Christmas, 33 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: but they had the processes. We finally got this lot 34 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 3: out of the bag in a public forum on Thursday. 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: And if you notice the games. 36 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: That are affected, and you can go to cbsports dot 37 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: com at bottom of that story, I've got every game that 38 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: was affected. 39 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 4: It started. 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: The whole thing starts in twenty twenty two with Antonio Blakeney, 41 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: a former five star prospect, played at LSU, had a 42 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: cup of coffee with the Bulls, and now he's playing 43 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: in China, averaging more than thirty points a game, and 44 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: then a couple of central bad actors there got involved 45 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: with him to throw some games. They purportedly allegedly got 46 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: away with that for a little while, and then they thought, 47 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 3: let's head back to the States and see if we 48 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: can get some low level college players who aren't making 49 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: huge anil deals to toss some first half lines or 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 3: affect some game outcomes. And the list of those games 51 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: it begins February seventeenth with twenty twenty four and then 52 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: the most recent one in this specific case is January eleven, 53 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. So I think, Dan, to your question, 54 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: I think that they had a line on this. The 55 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: NSUBA has also a number of players that were charged 56 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: in this. They've already been found out, named in banned 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: from the NSUBAA for life. But it's the grand scope 58 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: of this. Now it's twenty nine games that were affected 59 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 3: in the scheme of things. It's a very very low 60 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 3: number among all divisional games that are played. And we're 61 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: talking New Orleans versus Lamar, Robert Morris, Northern Kentucky, Fordham, Ducaine. 62 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: But there are I know what the shirt Polly's gone 63 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: on right now, there are a few DePaul former DePaul 64 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 3: players that were caught with this. That's the only Power 65 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: Conference program that's affiliated with this. But still twenty nine 66 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: is twenty nine way too many. This is a huge, 67 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: huge deal. It's a huge story. And for anyone that 68 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: sees the story and thinks, all right, I never watched 69 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: tu Lane play East Carolina, Like, what do I care 70 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: about a compin state South Carolina state game? 71 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 4: Remember? 72 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: Major League Baseball had this issue with its pictures. We 73 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: saw what happened with the huge case Jhontay Porter, the 74 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: separate case Terry Rogier, Chauncey Billips, with the illegal gambling ring. 75 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: So this is pervasive throughout sports. This one right here though, 76 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 3: as it pertains to all of the games affected DAN, 77 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: this really stands to be the most widespread game fixing 78 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: scandal in the history of college sports. 79 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: And yeah, they caught this or this was brought to light, 80 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: but you wonder the number of games that have not 81 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 2: been flagged and people got away with this. But once 82 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: are they betting it? Are these bets legal? 83 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 5: Like? 84 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: Are they offshore account? Because if I see four twenty 85 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: four four fifty eight North Carolina A and T to 86 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: lose against thousand, Yeah, so I am. 87 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: Not someone who is logging onto the phone and logging bets. 88 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: That's just not what I do. 89 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: But my understanding obviously is that if you have an 90 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: individual game with an individual better that is going to 91 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: bet that amount, and almost every single legal online sportsback, 92 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 3: they're going to flag that immediately and take it off 93 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 3: the board. What they were trying to do here was 94 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:32,239 Speaker 3: have a network, literally a criminal conspiracy to log these bets. 95 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: Hope they didn't get flagged, they obviously did. There's not 96 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 3: just the sports books that did this, there's third party 97 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: watchdogs that work with the sportsbooks, that work with the 98 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: NCAA that we're tracking this. My understanding also is that 99 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: you know this was a criminal investigation, they don't want 100 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: to tip it off too early. They want to get 101 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: all the evidence they can get so that they can 102 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 3: bring charges against twenty six people that came down, many 103 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 3: of them former players in general. But yes, this was 104 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 3: all done or mostly done in person, at sportsbooks online, 105 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: at a variety of different sports books, and this is 106 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: just what we have here. There are still talking to 107 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 3: some sources both this week and back in the fall. 108 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: There are still believed to be some other former players 109 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 3: that could still be up for some real trouble here, 110 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: but this was this was the big story out of 111 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. And now, you know, we 112 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: wait to see how it advances and if all the 113 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: twenty six charged wind up going to prison. The potential 114 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 3: prison times vary by person. But every you mentioned this before, 115 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 3: four players in college basketball, or I should say we're 116 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: in college basketball played within the past week, Simeon Coddle 117 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: at Kennesaw State. 118 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 4: I know most of your audience isn't gonna know who 119 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 4: that is. 120 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 5: He was. 121 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 3: He's one of the best mid major players in America. 122 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: So there is a little bit of a shock value 123 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: there that you even had guys who had allegedly participated 124 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: in this in the previous seasons still playing as recently 125 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: as early this week. Obviously, all of those players. 126 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 4: Now have been suspended. 127 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 3: Has he been arrested, he has been charged. There is 128 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 3: no been a release that he has specifically been arrested. 129 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: There have been some arrests made, but the charges come down, 130 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: the indictment has come down, is not specifically been revealed. 131 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: If Coddle and some of the other current players have 132 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 3: been arrested and we're done with prop bets in college, correct, 133 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: you would hope. So I'm so glad you brought that up, Dan, 134 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: because that is the other part of this. So Charlie 135 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: Baker has been pushing to end prop. 136 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: Bets much the president of the NA. 137 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 4: I've heard you talk about this on your show as well. 138 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: He wants to get rid of it, not just so 139 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 3: that players can't be tempted to affect their own prop 140 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 3: bet lines and be induced to do game manipulation. As 141 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: you well know, also college basketball players, college football players, 142 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: they are the subject of severe, severe online harassment out 143 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: in public in their dms. And eliminating prop bets at 144 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 3: the collegiate level, which needs to be done by Congress. 145 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 3: The NCAA is waiting on Congress to basically fix all 146 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: of its issues timeline, and that very much remains to 147 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: be seen. But that is the hope and that is 148 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 3: the goal. But as you well know, even if we 149 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: do get to that point in twenty six, in twenty 150 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 3: seven and twenty eight, and prop bets are no longer 151 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: a thing in the legal gambling laps that are out there, 152 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: it still isn't going to prevent the idea of someone 153 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: you know, getting compromised and someone going to someone and say, hey, 154 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: because these players well paid ten thousand, twenty thousand, one thousand, 155 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: sometimes thirty thousand dollars just to say, hey, make sure 156 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: that your team doesn't cover that first half eleven and 157 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: a half points spread so that prop bets can't solve. 158 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: But it's kind of a six and one half dozen. 159 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: And the other Dan, the fact that gambling and all 160 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: these ads and all these apps out there, it's just everywhere. 161 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: So the fact that it is it makes the watchdogging 162 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: and the flagging of it easier to catch. But you 163 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: can also make the argument that it makes it that 164 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: much more likely that it is just since it is 165 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: so pervasive in the culture, that it is that much 166 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: easier to find a player or two or in this case, 167 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: dozens to participate in a scheme like this, because it's 168 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: becoming more and more just an accepted part of the culture. 169 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: And it's why that Supreme Court case that got basically 170 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: flipped seven eight years ago was such a massive one 171 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: as it pertains to our industry. 172 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on short notice, Matt, have a 173 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: great weekend. 174 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 4: Appreciate you, Dan, Thank you. 175 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: Matt Noorlander, CBS Senior Writer, Analysts podcast host. 176 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 177 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 178 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Fox Sports 179 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: Radio is taking over YouTube and you can be a 180 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: part of it. 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You also see him 191 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 2: usually on Wednesdays on First Take with Steven A. Smith. 192 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 2: Let me start with the Dodgers Dog. Good morning, Dan, 193 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Dog. Dodgers decide they need another 194 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: big ticket item here, Kyle Tucker going there to the Dodgers. 195 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: Your reaction is. 196 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 6: Well, it's terrible for baseball. I'll start there. 197 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 7: I mean, how many guys, you're gonna have them signed Diaz, 198 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 7: And I'm not saying for the Dodgers, it's it makes 199 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 7: some sense. They probably needed in an outfielder. They had 200 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 7: some issues as a closer last year, so there comes Daz. 201 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 7: But this is this is ridiculous. Their payroll last year 202 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 7: with insurance was over five hundred million dollars and now 203 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 7: they had two guys in one's making what eighty million 204 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 7: or seventy million and Daz and he's making sixty million 205 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 7: and an average salary in Ducker. I mean, the Dodgers 206 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 7: theoretically aren't doing anything wrong. They're playing by the rules, 207 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 7: but the rules have to change. I mean, this is 208 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 7: getting to be a joke. I mean, and I this 209 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 7: is going to in a lot of ways. You can 210 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 7: make an argument this helps Manford with the lockout discussions 211 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 7: and the contract. 212 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 6: With the CBA for next year, which. 213 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 7: Obviously concludes I think on December first, it's right after 214 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 7: the season, and this is now going to be a 215 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 7: major sticking point these owners. Is a hundred Now, how 216 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 7: am I supposed to compete when the Dodgers And again, 217 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 7: the Dodgers don't do anything wrong with the rules, stick 218 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 7: and you know, they gave Otany all that money, but 219 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 7: it's all deferred, so he's making basically ten million dollars 220 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 7: a year, so they can defer it, which it gives 221 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 7: them the best player in baseball at an incredibly low price, 222 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 7: which means they can do anything they want. And everybody 223 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 7: else did the same exact thing. Play in LA winning team, 224 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 7: great organization, good weather have a chance to be in 225 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 7: the World Series every year. Who wouldn't defer all the money? 226 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 7: The problem is it doesn't work as far as the 227 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 7: basis of the sport is concerned, because half these teams 228 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 7: can't compete. Why would anybody think they can win the 229 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 7: NL West next year with the Dodgers? And who cares 230 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 7: what the Dodgers do between April first and October first? 231 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 7: You know, once the postseason starts, at the team to beat. 232 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 7: Last year, they had a bad year for them. They 233 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 7: won nineties something games? Were they when ninety five games? 234 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 7: And they still won the World Series. So it makes 235 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 7: the regular season obsolete for LA because they're gonna make 236 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 7: the playoffs. Then they have the best players. So once 237 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 7: they get into the playoffs, despite the impredictability of baseball postseason, 238 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 7: they got a hell of a chance to win. You 239 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 7: can't tell me it's good for the sport that the Dodgers, 240 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 7: who have won two championships, been in the playoffs, what 241 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 7: fifteen sixteen years in a row in the last five years, 242 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 7: gave Feenland twenty five million of Yamamoto, gave Sasaki two 243 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 7: hundred million dollars, gave Otani a fortune, and now they 244 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 7: give Tucker a fortune and Diaz a fortune. That's not 245 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 7: good for the sport, and the overall riding theme of 246 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 7: it good for la bad from baseball. 247 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: If you include deferred payments, the guaranteed salary for the 248 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 2: Dodgers this upcoming season is two point one billion dollars. 249 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 6: Wow, that's amazing. Good job, Dane. I don't even know that. 250 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 6: I mean, how are the Pirates supposed to compete with that? 251 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 7: I mean, how are the Coils and the Guardians and 252 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 7: the Reds and the White Socks. 253 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 6: I mean, how are they supposed to compete with that? 254 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: Baseball Once then well you got Tampa Bay. 255 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 6: They solved the problem. How they solved the problem is 256 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 6: gonna be hard. 257 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay's seventy million, yeah, Miami seventy six million. The 258 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: White Sox one hundred and two, Saint Louis one O two, 259 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 2: Washington won twenty, Cleveland won thirty one, Minnesota one hundred 260 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 2: and fifty four million. So these include deferred payments, guaranteed salaries. 261 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 2: But I don't know how you could get everybody on 262 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: the same page with this. Chris Players Association's gonna fight it. 263 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: They want these contracts. I mean, I don't know if 264 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: these owners, I don't know what you can do. 265 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 6: I agree with you. 266 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 7: I mean, ever, let's also say this the guy who 267 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 7: what was the Players Association of Scott Boris. It's not 268 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 7: Tony Clark, it's not Bruce Weber. Weber might negotiate it. 269 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 7: It's it's Boris. They were doing anything without Boris's approval. 270 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 7: And Boris is an unbelievable good agent who last time 271 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 7: I had this major fight, everybody on the executive board 272 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 7: were Boris clients. 273 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 6: I think they had five or six and they were 274 00:12:59,480 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 6: all boards. 275 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 7: He got Matt Shurz, who on the phone callin Boris 276 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 7: to see if he agrees with what they're doing. 277 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 6: In March. 278 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 7: The whole thing is that, listen, baseball. This is what 279 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 7: Hill kills baseball. It's great in the postseason, because you 280 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 7: never know, the best team doesn't always win. But as 281 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 7: far as the regular season is concerned, it's gotten to 282 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 7: a situation where it becomes obsolete because you know, certain 283 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 7: teams are just going to be in a postseason barring 284 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 7: it's a catastrophe in one of those teams. Now you 285 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 7: know the Yankees and you know teams like that, and 286 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 7: one of those teams definitely now is LA And it's 287 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 7: bad for the sport. You know, a lot of fans 288 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 7: are gonna be annoyed, and I don't know what you 289 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 7: do to solve it. 290 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 6: You're right. 291 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 7: You know, Manford's done a great job because he's been 292 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 7: a commission that has not lost a regular season game 293 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 7: since he was involved with negotiating these contracts in the 294 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 7: mid nineties. 295 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 6: So he has that on his legacy. So you know, 296 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 6: he's not. 297 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 7: Gonna want to lose games next year. But he's also 298 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 7: in a situation where he's gotta do something. So we 299 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 7: shall see. 300 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, because with the NFL, you can go from worse 301 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: to first. We've seen those success stories and do that. 302 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 6: You can't do that here. 303 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the NBA, we've seen success stories. 304 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 6: They had to pick Look at the Spurs. 305 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: Different champion what the last five or six years. So 306 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: you go into a season, you give the NFL gives 307 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: you hope. Absolutely, it gives you. Carolina Panthers fans at 308 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, you're probably thinking, Okay, we're 309 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: in a bad division. Can can we win this division? 310 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: And the answer is yes. You look at the Bears. 311 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: You know where they were where they are. I mean 312 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: you could have the rise and the fall Detroit up 313 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: then down. So to say to these teams, you're going 314 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: to have an opportunity to at least compete for a 315 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: playoff berth, I mean, that's what you want as a fan. 316 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: You want hope. Now there's certain franchises where you go, no, 317 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: we expect to be in in the NBA, want you 318 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: want hope. You want to go, Hey, I believe in 319 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: the team and I'll continue to go out and support it. 320 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: You know, if you're a Pittsburgh Pirate fan, you go 321 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: out one day, you go to see your pitcher, that's 322 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: probably it. It's a great ballpark, but you know how 323 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: many times are you going to see those games? But 324 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: if you're playing in big games, now, all of a sudden, 325 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: you're buying it. You know, the Reds make the playoffs. 326 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: Now you're you're going out to watch a season, not 327 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: just a couple of games. 328 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 6: Watch the Dodgers get Schooble too. 329 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: I brought that up this morning. I go, that's who 330 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: I thought that they were going to be getting somehow, 331 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: Someway and he's gonna. 332 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 7: Leave and you know this arbitration issue with him. Yeah, 333 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 7: it's a major problem. I mean, last year the Bears 334 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 7: didn't make the playoffs. This year they're in a divisional round. 335 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 7: You made a good point of our Carolina. They won 336 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 7: the division, they get a home playoff camp. You know, 337 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 7: Denver last year barely made the playoffs. Now the under 338 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 7: the one seed Seattle last year didn't make the playoffs. 339 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 7: Now to the one seed, you have so many advantages 340 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 7: from that standpoint. Was it normally six in and six 341 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 7: out in the NFL, six teams every year, and you 342 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 7: know that they you know, have a short schedule. Now 343 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 7: you need the quarterback. Without the quarterback, you're not gonna win. 344 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 7: But you ways to get the quarterback. You can draft one. 345 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 7: You can be bad at the right time. You know, 346 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 7: perty was the last pick in the draft they found 347 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 7: in right. I mean, you can get the QBAM Josh 348 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 7: Allen wasn't the first pick you can get Knicks wasn't 349 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 7: the first pick. You can get the quarterback by Little 350 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 7: Lucky somehow, a free agent, a trade, well you know Donald, 351 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 7: I mean he was a trade Seattle they won. 352 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 6: You can get the quarterback. 353 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 7: In the NBA, you got to get the great player, 354 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 7: you know when Byama, you know, David Robinson, Duncan. You 355 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 7: got to get that great player, the transformational player. There 356 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 7: are ways to do it, but you got to get 357 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 7: that player. But it doesn't have anything to do with money. 358 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 7: I mean, you know, it might have something to do 359 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 7: with the markets. But Sacramento was good for a long time. 360 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 7: This Furst won some championships, so the small market can win. 361 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 7: And in baseball, it's really about three or four teams 362 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 7: and that's the and that's the Unfortunately, think about baseball. 363 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 6: It's got a great playoff system. The playoff system last 364 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 6: three weeks. It's done. 365 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 7: It's not a slugout four month process where they played 366 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 7: best the sevens where you know who's gonna win beforehand, 367 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 7: like the NBA might have. You know, it's the games 368 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 7: are unpredictable because there's no guarantee the best team's gonna win, 369 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 7: So that makes it fun too. You know, the Great 370 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 7: Baseball game, As you know, Dan, you're a great baseball fan, 371 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 7: Game seven Toronto on Dodgers. 372 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 6: How great a game was that? You know, it gives 373 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 6: you incredible trauma. 374 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 7: But the problem is is baseball has become over the 375 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 7: long period of time too much dominated by the big 376 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 7: market teams. And I don't know how you solve that problem. 377 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 7: I really don't. 378 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 6: Without a strike, without a strike. 379 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: He's Christopher mad Dog Russo, host of mad Dog Unleashed 380 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 2: on Serious XM Channel eighty two and also you'll see 381 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: him on First Take. What's holding up John Harbaugh and 382 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: the Giants. 383 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 6: Hasn't an officially signed it yet? Yeah, I don't know. 384 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 7: I don't have the answer for you on that. Maybe 385 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 7: the money for the assistant coaches. This is the move 386 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 7: the Giants had to make. This is gonna happen. 387 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I don't think it's gonna fall apart. 388 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 6: Harbor and Mara, I guess really had a great sit down. 389 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 6: They had a great dinner a couple of nights ago. 390 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 6: And the Giants need him. 391 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 7: I mean, you know, they've gone the assistant route, whether 392 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 7: it's you know Dable Judge, you know Ben McAdoo. It 393 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 7: just it's been a disaster. They have to bring an 394 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 7: established coach. Harball is a good coach. I mean, he's 395 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 7: not a great coach yet got a chance to be, 396 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 7: you know, hall of fame. I wouldn't say Harball is 397 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 7: a Hall of Fame coach by my standards, I wouldn't 398 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 7: say he's a Hall. 399 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 6: Of Fame coach. 400 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: Is Tomlin? 401 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 6: You know he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame. 402 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 6: They're gonna make it. 403 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 7: But by you and I standards, do I consider Tomlin right. 404 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 6: This second a Hall of Fame coach? I don't, now 405 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 6: that's me. 406 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 7: Now, he's gonna make it because they vote, you know, 407 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 7: they vote six candidates a year, and you know they 408 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 7: Coriel made it. He never won a championship, kwras anyone 409 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 7: won Super Bowl, so he's he's gonna get in. But 410 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 7: obviously Marve Levey he's made it. He's got one hundred 411 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 7: and forty three wins and four Super Bowl losses. 412 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 6: You know, George Allen's in. He never won a thing. 413 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 6: So they're gonna make it. 414 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 7: But do I consider it Tom and her Harbor myself, 415 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 7: as a football fan, a great all time coach. 416 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 5: No, I don't know. 417 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 7: When I think of the great all time coaches, I'm 418 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 7: thinking Paul Brown, Belichick, Lombardi, Gibbs, Welsh, A Walsh, Parcels. 419 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 7: You know, I'm thinking along nose lines of you know, 420 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 7: that establishment group, Shoe Lit Landry, those kind of guys. 421 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 7: And I don't think that myself, that Tom and her 422 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 7: Harbor are on that level myself. But I'm a small 423 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 7: room guy. You're a small room guy. A lot of 424 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 7: people put all these coaches in. I mean, Bill Coward 425 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 7: to me is not a Hall of Fame coach, very 426 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 7: good coach. Do I consider him a Hall of Fame coach? 427 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 6: Two Super Bowls? 428 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 7: He's one and one Hall of Fame where Wow, he's 429 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 7: a great coach. 430 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 6: I don't consider him that. But he's in the Hall 431 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 6: of Fame. 432 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 7: So they put a lot of guys in who I 433 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 7: wouldn't put in, and Tom and Harbor are sort of 434 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 7: on a very good category right now, uh and Halbar 435 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 7: and Tom will have a chance to get to that 436 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 7: next level. I mean, you think Dungee's a great coach, 437 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 7: very good? Is he great in your eyes? 438 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 2: Then? 439 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 6: Is Tony Dungee a Hall of Fame coach? 440 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: Well, he was also a great defensive coordinator as well. 441 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 2: That Tampa team that he had that Gruden came in, 442 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: you know, Tony Tony was helped in building that. 443 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he's an interesting case. Do you think 444 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 6: you think George Allen's Hall of Fame coach? No, he's 445 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame. 446 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: I know. 447 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 6: You think Pete Carroll's going to make the Hall of Fame? 448 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: Yes, you do? Yeah? 449 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, wow, I'm not sure especially answer now. 450 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: It is the Pro Football Hall of Fame, so they're 451 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: not factoring in USC Yeah, I do forget us, but 452 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: I'm guessing. See, I think the thing is is you're 453 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 2: trying to compare today's coaches with yesteryear, and that's it's 454 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: hard to do that and come up with a Hall 455 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: of Fame coach. Because these guys were established, they didn't 456 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: have to worry, you know, about all these other things 457 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: that today's coach has to deal with, getting to two 458 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: Super Bowls? Like Sean Payton. Is Sean Payton a Hall 459 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: of Fame coach? 460 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 6: He's been in one Super Bowl? 461 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: Not yet, He's probably going in. Is Mike McCarthy Hall 462 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 2: of Fame coach. No, he's got the same resume as 463 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: Sean Payton. 464 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't put Peyton in though. 465 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 7: Again I'm a small room guy. I want greatness. I 466 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 7: don't do I think Sean Payton's. 467 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 6: A great coach. He's very good. Great Parcels is a 468 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 6: great coach. Jibs is a great coach. Three super Bowls, 469 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 6: three different quarterbacks. Phil Walsh, that's a great football coach. 470 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: Brown. 471 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 6: Those are the sort of guys who. 472 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: Has more pressure, either player or team the most pressure 473 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 2: this weekend in the NFL. 474 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 7: Uh not San Francisco, Seattle, Buffalo so banged up. And 475 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 7: I heard your thought with Josh Allen. He's great anyway, 476 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 7: I probably you know it's weird. I might say Stafford 477 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 7: with the Rams. You can't say there's any pressure on Houston. 478 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 7: You can't say there's any pressure on the Patriots. The 479 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 7: Bears are a young team. You can't use them. San Francisco. 480 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 7: Somehow we're in this spots Seattle, you know, maybe Sam Donald, 481 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 7: Maybe Donald because he needs to go out there and 482 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 7: you know, sort of undue last year, or he didn't 483 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 7: play very well in the postseason. I don't look at 484 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 7: Denver young quarterback Alan. I think he's accomplished plenty anyway. 485 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 7: I know people bring Alan up because there's no MA 486 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 7: homes in Burrow and Jackson. I still think Alan's got 487 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 7: plenty of time to win a Super Bowl. I think 488 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 7: this is an important you know, the Rams had a 489 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 7: great year and then they kind of stole. They were 490 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 7: not great last weekend. I think there's some pressure on 491 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 7: End and I think there's a lot. I think there's 492 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 7: some pressure on Sam Donald. 493 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 6: You know, in a weird way. 494 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 7: You brought up an interesting question because I don't know 495 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 7: if there's a clear cut wow, he's got a win. 496 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 6: You know, I don't know if the you know, if. 497 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 7: For Moore was in this spot, i'd say three to 498 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 7: five in the postseason, maybe i'd put him in that category. 499 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 7: I don't know if I have anybody right now in 500 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 7: the last eighth in that category where they know that 501 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 7: they have to win. 502 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 6: I don't know if I have that right now. 503 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 2: Good to chat with you, go the best. Glad you're 504 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: feeling better. 505 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 6: Thank you, Pat. You had a rough week. Hickups, nickups, 506 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 6: never get them, never get them. 507 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 7: Wait, you had the hiccups, which led to some issues 508 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 7: and I was in bad shake for about fifteen hours. 509 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 7: If I had a missed first take after Division Round, 510 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 7: you know it was Have a good weekend. You're too peeky. 511 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: Thank you. That's Christopher mad Dog Russo. 512 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 513 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 514 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 515 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: listen live. 516 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 2: He's Christophe Simms, Pro Football Talk Live co host and 517 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: you'll find him on Football Night in America. They got 518 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: the Bears and the Rams. Festivities started six eastern on 519 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: NBC and Peacon. Good to see you again. Give me 520 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 2: the team or the player with the most pressure this weekend. 521 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 5: Oh well, I think, you know, team wise, that's a 522 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 5: good player. I still think we're probably on the Josh 523 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 5: Allen conversation just because of the course. Yeah, I know, 524 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 5: Burrow not being in there, Lamar, Patrick Mahomes. Everybody thinks that. 525 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 5: As I've told you before, and we discussed I think 526 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 5: the last time on we're looking at the modern day 527 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 5: John Elway. He's one of the greatest quarterbacks we've ever 528 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 5: seen play the sport. He's yet to get to a 529 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 5: Super Bowl. I think he feels that pressure. I think 530 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 5: you could see that on his face last weekend, right, 531 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 5: So that would be one. 532 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: Right. 533 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 5: The other guy I would say is CJ Stroud. I 534 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 5: mean CJ Stroud last week? How could there not be pressure? 535 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 5: Everybody's gonna be looking at him. That's the Houston Texans 536 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 5: defense is like the twenty thirteen seed Hawks or the 537 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 5: twenty fifteen Broncos or the two thousand Ravens. They're the 538 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 5: best unit left in this playoffs. And the way that 539 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 5: he played, I mean I was yelling at the screen, 540 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 5: going just kneel on the ball, Texan, kneel on it 541 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 5: and you'll win fourteen to three. Just don't do anything again, right, 542 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 5: So we're gonna be watching him for sure, And you know, 543 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 5: I think after that, the team I probably look out 544 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 5: to have the most pressure would be the Denver Broncos. Honestly, 545 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 5: Denver just being at home expectations ooh, the first big 546 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 5: time home playoff game and we're a number one seed 547 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 5: in the Sean Payton era and bo Nick's first home 548 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 5: playoff game, so this is unchartered territories for them. I 549 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 5: would think that would be the team i'd probably pick 550 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 5: under the most pressure. 551 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: No Sam Darnold on the list. 552 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 5: Huh, well, there's that for sure, Yes, everybody. I felt 553 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 5: like that was almost too obvious. We know Sam Donald, 554 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 5: He's gonna be the guy we look at. I'm a 555 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 5: big believer in the Seattle Seahawks. I will be shocked 556 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 5: if they lose the football game on Saturday night. I 557 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 5: think they are in another class from this San Francisco 558 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 5: forty nine ers. Their roster, their defense is just a 559 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 5: tick below the Houston Texans. I think they're a team 560 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 5: on the rise. I hope he's healthy, but yeah, we'll 561 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 5: be watching him. That's an obvious one. 562 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 2: Give me the game that could be a blowout of 563 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: all the four games. 564 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 5: You know what, if you had to make me choose 565 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 5: one game that I think it could be a blowout, 566 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 5: I think it would be the Seattle Seahawks forty nine 567 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 5: er football game. That would be the one. You know, 568 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 5: I'm amazed that the forty nine ers are there. You know, 569 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 5: I'm friends with Shanahan and I just think this is 570 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 5: maybe his greatest coaching job ever. When you just talk 571 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 5: about everything that's happened, the injuries, right, all of that, 572 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 5: the defense, they're just decimated. They got destroyed in that 573 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 5: Week eighteen matchup. I mean, I don't need to say much. 574 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 5: You saw Shanahan at halftime. He was like, I'm just 575 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 5: glad we're down by ten points, right, because I think 576 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 5: he was like we should be down twenty twenty four. 577 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 5: So I do look at that and go Do I 578 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 5: think Seattle can slow down the Shanahan offense? Yes, of 579 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 5: course I do. And Seattle was so close on offense 580 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 5: the kind of blowing them out of the water in 581 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 5: Week eighteen. I think that if there's one that'll be 582 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 5: the game. 583 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: Help us understand what Kyle Shanahan does for his quarterback 584 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: in the huddle and then well they cut that off 585 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 2: with what fifteen seconds to go? But sure, what exactly 586 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 2: is he saying to Brock Purdy and you know, as 587 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: he gets ready to call the player go to the 588 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: line of scrimmage? 589 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 5: I don't think he says much to him, and that 590 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 5: from my understanding, right, I think they've already been wired 591 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 5: as a robat during the week to kind of know, hey, 592 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 5: when I call this you, he makes it simple for 593 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 5: them when I call this. 594 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: Oh, so it's not in game as much as it 595 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 2: is prior to that leading guyer too. 596 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 5: Right, he's already come into the game plan. Go and listen, 597 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 5: I'm gonna call this play with this play in the 598 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 5: huddle too. So you got to figure out and just 599 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 5: look at this guy. If he goes this way, check 600 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 5: to the other play. If he goes to this way, 601 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 5: you know, stay with the play we got called. But 602 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 5: he's an ultimate what I always kind of the phrase 603 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 5: I use as code cracker, Right, Shanahan is rare and 604 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 5: rare in the history of NFL football, And I would 605 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 5: say Bill Belichick could do this the other way around. 606 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 5: Shanahan's dad could probably do it as well. He could 607 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 5: be a defensive coordinator. He understands the defensive rules every 608 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 5: bit as much as any defensive coach in the sport. 609 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 5: And that's what he does. So when he gets in film, 610 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 5: get into film during the week and starts to go, okay, 611 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 5: what do they do when I play this formation in 612 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 5: that formation? He tries to find something to go all right, 613 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 5: all right, all right, I know they're going to kind 614 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 5: of be in this one defense or maybe this other defense, 615 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 5: and now I'm going to devise a few plays off 616 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 5: of it that are if I can get him in 617 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 5: this one defense. It's gonna challenge some rules of some 618 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 5: of the guys in this coverage, right, And as long 619 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 5: as he can figure out, okay, you're gonna be in this, 620 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 5: he now can kind of teach his receivers and maybe 621 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 5: a play action pass to go, Wait, this guy's got 622 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 5: this rule, and if we do this to him, it 623 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 5: kind of blows up his rules and now he's in 624 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 5: trouble and they can't stop it. So I know that's 625 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 5: a long way to say that. It's a deep conversation, 626 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 5: but I hope that answered the question pretty well. 627 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: Weather is perhaps going to play a role in the 628 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: Bears game. Right, Who is affected aside from the quarterback? Yeah, 629 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: who's going to be affected the most with this weather? 630 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's you know, the ones I go 631 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 5: to after that are running backs, right, running backs, I 632 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 5: think just because it is so pulled the contact, the 633 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 5: ball does become slick. So anybody carrying the football, I 634 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 5: think is the next guy you look at. We know, 635 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 5: you know, playing in the cold, it's a different ballgame, 636 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 5: and when you get hit it hurts a little bit 637 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 5: more and everything's a little older and drier and slicker 638 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,239 Speaker 5: and all that. But you know, I think that's what 639 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 5: you look at after that. You know, it depends if 640 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 5: the field gets frozen, then you can start to look 641 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 5: at DB's and receivers and can they keep their feet. 642 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 5: But as far as the quarterbacks, like you mentioned, I'm 643 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 5: not worried about either one of those quarterbacks. I mean 644 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 5: they are they can throw the ball through anything, right, 645 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 5: those are these are two of the greatest arms in 646 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 5: the sport, right up there with Josh Allen in that 647 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 5: category right where you know, they can throw spirals, they 648 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 5: can cut it right through the win and still throw it, 649 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 5: make power throws, and I don't think it will be 650 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 5: affected too much. 651 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: On Sunday night, Sam Darnold with an oblique injury, explain 652 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: to us how that would affect him. 653 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's just I've had it. It's an annoying injury 654 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 5: for a quarterback. 655 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: Think about it. 656 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 5: When you're throwing a lot of like right, your golf swing, 657 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 5: anything like that baseball swing, you're swinging and you're trying 658 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 5: to create that torque between the lower and upper half 659 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 5: of your body, right, And that's what great throwers do. 660 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 5: You see Josh Allen, he's like this sometimes and then 661 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 5: he lets it go. Well, that muscle there. Your oblique 662 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 5: is what's letting you rope paid out of it. And 663 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 5: when your arm is disconnected as well and you have 664 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 5: a longer lever, it really can pull on there. And 665 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 5: I'm telling you it's something that I had before, and 666 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 5: it bothered me for weeks. And the first week had happened. 667 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 5: I mean I couldn't throw a football for the first 668 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 5: seven or ten days I had it. Hmm okay, yeah, 669 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 5: So I'm going to be interested to see what he's 670 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 5: got there, right, You know, the guy at LSU, nuss Meyer, 671 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 5: he had it this year and it really affected his play. 672 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 5: That is not an easy injury to deal with. And 673 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 5: I'll certainly be looking at Donald early in that football 674 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 5: game to see where he's at with that. 675 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: Dante Moore going back to Oregon, Yeah, Boomersiasin said that 676 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: the Jets benefited because they probably would have taken Dante 677 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: Moore and Dante Moore is not ready to play, which 678 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: is an interesting perspective on that. But who benefited the 679 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: most of Dante Moore going back to Oregon, Dante Moore 680 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: or Ty Simpson of Alabama? 681 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 5: Oh well, I think ty Simpson here just in you know, 682 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 5: as far as right now, because now he's automatically. I 683 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 5: think Hugh Bee too. I haven't studied Trinidad Chambliss yet. 684 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 5: I know he's damn good and he's exciting. But I 685 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 5: think the NFL is little hesitant on the smaller quarterback 686 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 5: between Kyler Tua Rice Young, right, So that's something that 687 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 5: I'm interested to dive into. But I think Ty Simpson 688 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 5: and I'll say this, Dan, I agree with Dante Moore. 689 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 5: I think that was the right decision. He's got the 690 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 5: talent to be the number one pick in the draft. 691 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 5: He has all that, but you know, I'd like to 692 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 5: see him let his body mature a little bit more. 693 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 5: I think he can become a little bit of a 694 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 5: better leader and show some better, you know, body language 695 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 5: during the game as well. His talent jumps off the screen. 696 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 5: But yeah, playing those reps, you know how important that is. 697 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 5: I'm glad he's going back. 698 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: You're a New York Giants family. What did the family 699 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: think of John Harbaugh. 700 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 5: Dodgy Man, I mean, we loved it. This is something 701 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 5: I've been banging the table really since the end of November. 702 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 5: I knew in the summer that Harbaugh and this could 703 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 5: happen I had said it on my podcast with Florio 704 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 5: All that it was very aware that this was a 705 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 5: possibility with Harball and the Ravens knowing some people in 706 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 5: the situation, so I was not surprised that happened when 707 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 5: it did happen. And I've been kind of since the 708 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 5: end of November, like man, Tomlin or Harball. We want Tomliner, Harbaugh. 709 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 5: Of course it's Harbaugh. I think he fits the Giant way. 710 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 5: I really do, right tough. He has a little bit 711 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 5: of a demeanor like a Bill Parcell's a Tom Kofflin. 712 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 5: He's going to know how to talk to the media. 713 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 5: And I think his core beliefs are poor Giant beliefs, 714 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 5: I said yesterday. Like when I was growing up or 715 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 5: even playing in the NFL, the one thing about the 716 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 5: Giants was always, oh my gosh, look at the Giants 717 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 5: walk on the field. 718 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 2: Holy cow, how big are they? 719 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 5: Right? 720 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 2: They were always the look team. 721 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 5: Well, they got a huge tight end, huge tackles, big 722 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 5: defensive tackles, pass rushers, all of that. They've gotten away 723 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 5: from that hardball as we know in Baltimore, they've made 724 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 5: it a yearly acquisition of pillaging. The biggest, baddest mofos 725 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 5: on the planet to get on their football team, and 726 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 5: that's the Giant way. So I'm excited about that too. 727 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 5: And the Giants got a good nucleus that's young that 728 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 5: he can grow and really build something here in New York. 729 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 2: He's Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host his 730 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: podcast Unbuttoned, and you can see him on Football Night 731 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 2: in America. It'll be the Bears in the Rams on 732 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: Sunday they started six Eastern. How much have you watched 733 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: the Fernando Mendoza, Oh a lot I have. 734 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, being a Big ten team doing 735 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 5: NBC Big Ten College Saturdays. Right that I saw him, 736 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 5: I'm very impressed with Fernande and Doze. 737 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 2: I really am. 738 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 5: I mean his throwing is he's a machine throwing the football. 739 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 5: When he talked about power, accuracy, right, all the different 740 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 5: types of throws. He's a better athlete that he gets 741 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 5: credit for, right, So all of that. Yeah, really impressed. 742 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 5: Am I blown out away with him like I've been 743 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 5: other guys. I'm not gonna lie to you and say yes, no, 744 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, is he like Josh Allen or 745 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes. When I saw them coming out, 746 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 5: or even C. J. Stroud, who I really thought was 747 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 5: special coming out as well. I don't know if I 748 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 5: feel that way about him, but he's certainly worthy of 749 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 5: being the number one pick and the first quarterback off 750 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 5: the board. 751 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, as a source said to me, there's nothing he 752 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 2: does great, But there's nothing that he does wrong that 753 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 2: he he just he knows what he's doing. He does 754 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 2: he does that to play. I don't know if that's 755 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 2: the best description for the number one overall pick, but 756 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: he we always look for flaws, you know, that guy's 757 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 2: throwing motion, or he got away with you know, some 758 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 2: bad habits in college. He doesn't anticipate, he doesn't you know, 759 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, process, all of those things. It feels 760 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 2: like he has all of those things exactly. But I said, 761 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,959 Speaker 2: would you take would you sign up if I said 762 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: he's going to be Joe Flacco? 763 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 5: I would sign up for that. 764 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 2: Of course. Yes. 765 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 5: I think Joe Flacco is one of the underrated quarterbacks 766 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 5: of all time, right, haven't seen that in person and 767 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 5: how big he is and how he throws the football. 768 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 5: And then of course again I think like Mendoza, sneaky 769 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 5: underrated athleticism to move in the pockets, scramble when something 770 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 5: was there. Yeah, I've signed up for Joe Flacco right 771 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 5: now if I were an NFL football team. But I 772 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 5: know what you're saying, right, he is a slam dunk 773 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 5: right machine throwing the football. But am I wowed buy 774 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 5: him sometimes? Am I wowed buy his backyard ability to 775 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 5: do stuff like that that we know is so important 776 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 5: in the NFL. Now, No, I'm not, But NFL coaches 777 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 5: are going to like him for all the reasons you explained, Dan. 778 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 5: He knows how to read coverage, he knows how to 779 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 5: make the appropriate, appropriate throws, he knows how to anticipate, 780 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 5: he can in the pocket and do all that, And 781 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 5: especially a coach that knows, hey, we got a good 782 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 5: offensive coordinator and a good system, and we need a 783 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 5: guy that can run this system. 784 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 7: Right. 785 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 5: That's where he's really gonna you know, benefit, and they're 786 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 5: gonna like him a lot. 787 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 2: What's the next best opening in the NFL? 788 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 5: Oh, well, I think the Atlanta won Atlanta or Tennessee 789 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 5: after the or and then the Ravens, of course, I 790 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 5: mean the Ravens. You know, it's it's one of the 791 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 5: greatest quarterbacks of all time. So you got that right there, 792 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 5: and of course a lot of pieces. So I look 793 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 5: at that and go, that's one of them. The Falcons 794 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 5: are definitely one of them, right with that offensive line. 795 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,959 Speaker 5: You know, they got Drake London, they got some young 796 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 5: defensive talent. And then the Tennessee Titans are the other 797 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 5: one I look at because they do have an offensive line, 798 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 5: they got one of the best defensive tackles in football, 799 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 5: and you got the quarterback. 800 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 2: To me, those are the top ones available right now. Yeah, 801 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,479 Speaker 2: but you got to give me at least three years 802 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 2: in Tennessee probably, but you know, you know how it is. 803 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 5: You know, you probably would have said maybe the Patriots 804 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 5: need two years or the Bears need two years, right, 805 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 5: all right, So you get the right coach in there, 806 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 5: with that new coach bump of energy and then also 807 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 5: having a new way of how they're coaching and playing, 808 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 5: the team's going, Wait, I don't you know, we got 809 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 5: to we need a year to figure out the schematics 810 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 5: of what this guy does. And then they got money 811 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 5: to spend on top of that, and could really I 812 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 5: think they're gonna have the most money out of anybody 813 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 5: in salary cap in this offseason. You know, they could 814 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 5: certainly turn it around to where at least they're a 815 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 5: pain in the butt in the AFC next year. 816 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 2: Have a great weekend as always, thanks for joining us. Chris, 817 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 2: Hey always man, you the man sell those jerks. I 818 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 2: said Hi, all right, hey jerks, he says, Hi, Chris 819 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 2: Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host, and he'll be 820 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 2: there with the Bears and the Rams.