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Speaker 2: Jack's been a hell of a day, man, hell of
Speaker 2: a day. He started with Reggie Bush, then we did
Speaker 2: Nate Diz yep, and now, like I don't get too excited,
Speaker 2: like I like appreciate and respect everybody that comes to
Speaker 2: the show, but this one got me excited.
Speaker 3: This one got an nounce out of bed. She's six
Speaker 3: months pregnant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't have too many big homies. Come on
Speaker 4: off our big homies.
Speaker 3: The one and only man.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Sean kemp Man oh Man, Thanks,
Speaker 2: thank you, Thank you man. It's truly an honor. You know,
Speaker 2: Jack and I both started hitting on the DM, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: one of us, He's going to respond to one of us.
Speaker 2: Let's both keep pressing him. But just huge fan obviously,
Speaker 2: fourteen year pro six time All Star, uh I was
Speaker 2: talking about you the other day before I even knew
Speaker 2: he was gonna come on the show, Like, you made
Speaker 2: Dunkin look cool for big dudes, because it's hard for
Speaker 2: big dudes look sweet like you was out there and
Speaker 2: looking like a six ten guard. Someone called you a
Speaker 2: six ten Vince Carter Alonzo morning called you a six
Speaker 2: of course, yeah, talk about where that Just the veracity
Speaker 2: and your athleticism and all that came.
Speaker 5: From manly, just it comes from from early on. I think,
Speaker 5: you know, playing ball in Indiana first of all, and
Speaker 5: it is a good state to play basketball. But what
Speaker 5: happens is when you're a big kid, when you grow
Speaker 5: up and you're tall, generally you want to play and
Speaker 5: you want to do other things and just run and
Speaker 5: shoot hook shots and stuff. So my goal, my goal
Speaker 5: growing up, man was kind of I want to do
Speaker 5: kind of all the things that the little guys did.
Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying, But I really couldn't. You know,
Speaker 5: I grew up with leg braces on because I kind
Speaker 5: of grew it was very very uncoordinated growing up a
Speaker 5: lot of people don't know that almost goofy to the point.
Speaker 5: And then you know, as I got towards junior high
Speaker 5: and high school. My coordination kind of caught up to it.
Speaker 5: And you know, hard work pays off, man. You know, seriously,
Speaker 5: when I tell you guys this, I mean that as
Speaker 5: one of those kids who just dream, come from the ghetto,
Speaker 5: come from nothing, and just dream. You know, my mom
Speaker 5: didn't play ball, my dad didn't play no ball. So
Speaker 5: everything that I that I came up with was had
Speaker 5: to be earned and had to be you had to
Speaker 5: go out there and work on those skills.
Speaker 6: Man. So it was.
Speaker 5: About learning how to dribble the basketball left hand right, hen,
Speaker 5: being able to shoot the ball left hand right, hen,
Speaker 5: being able to do everything. And then when you grow up, man,
Speaker 5: and you start to realize you got some athleticsism and
Speaker 5: you're like, man, I can really do some things. You know,
Speaker 5: this is this is this is this is kind of fun.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: You know, I was already playing against some NBA players
Speaker 5: when I was in ninth grade, eighth and ninth grade,
Speaker 5: and it was kind of was giving them the business,
Speaker 5: you know. So I kind of knew that my talent,
Speaker 5: so I just worked on it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: So my high school coach would bring me into the
Speaker 5: gym every day before school about five thirty in the
Speaker 5: morning for me to work on big man drills, footwork drills,
Speaker 5: dribble the ball left hand right.
Speaker 3: How tall were you in high school? So freshman year
Speaker 3: the senior?
Speaker 2: How much did you grow then?
Speaker 5: I started off high school as a freshman man. I
Speaker 5: started off at six seven, six eight. By the time
Speaker 5: I was a senior, I was six ten and a
Speaker 5: half almost sixty eleven. How to do everything and playing
Speaker 5: against Alonso, a guy likelives of morning since seventh grade,
Speaker 5: Alan Houston since seventh grade, Billy oh And since seventh grade.
Speaker 5: So you know, uh, the talent was out there. You
Speaker 5: know it was you had to earn. It wasn't like
Speaker 5: it was just given these guys. Was these guys was
Speaker 5: very talented.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Two of the best guys that I grew up playing
Speaker 5: against man was Materio Green and and uh Muhammad a roof.
Speaker 5: Chris Jackson say, we're all the same age with them
Speaker 5: boys right there, you play some serious basketball.
Speaker 6: Man Moved.
Speaker 5: Mike Move was a real good player, you know, he
Speaker 5: was real talented. Bro.
Speaker 4: A lot of you appears from the nineties in the
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, Miss Richmond, Grant Hill, Chris Webber, Tim
Speaker 4: Hardaway all in the Hall of Fame? Is it time
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5: But I think so. You know, I've always said that,
Speaker 5: you know, those first eight or nine years that I
Speaker 5: had was was was pretty good, pretty solid, you know,
Speaker 5: pretty solid. And and also I will tell you this,
Speaker 5: I'm a six time All Starry So that's you know,
Speaker 5: those six times, those six games that I started. You
Speaker 5: know who I had to beat out? You know, that
Speaker 5: was Charles, That's Karl Malone. That's every year. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: that's pretty consistent basketball.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I will say this sough me going through some problems
Speaker 5: and stuff that I went through in my career also
Speaker 5: hurts you at the end. But I think when you
Speaker 5: look at the good side of it and you compare
Speaker 5: the numbers and stuff, I'm right there with some of
Speaker 5: the best ones. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Would you mind opening up and sharing and talking about
Speaker 2: them problems. We don't have to if you don't want to.
Speaker 5: But well, I'm not afraid to talk about it. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 5: I think when anytime that you you go your body
Speaker 5: shape goes from this to that, and you gain weight,
Speaker 5: or you have some drug problems in any any anything
Speaker 5: like that is always going to be highlighted. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So I understand those you have those
Speaker 5: marks against you, But the dominance I think of what
Speaker 5: I played with through those early years of my career,
Speaker 5: I think it should definitely be highlighted, without a doubt.
Speaker 2: I came from two parents that were functioning drug addicts.
Speaker 3: I grew up in it, seen it, dad sold it.
Speaker 2: Were there are times where you were out there at
Speaker 2: your best, making all Star appearances and being great leading
Speaker 2: your team when you were on drugs.
Speaker 5: No, not necessarily on drugs, I believe. I believe when
Speaker 5: my drug where drug issues probably came, and it was
Speaker 5: more when being started to go sideways, when I was
Speaker 5: having some problems with the organization. So I think, you know,
Speaker 5: as far as I was concerned, when you put so
Speaker 5: much into the game of basketball, when you when you
Speaker 5: say that you're going to become the best, when you
Speaker 5: say that you're going to become dominant, it takes a
Speaker 5: lot of time, man, a lot of effort, right, And
Speaker 5: I don't think what people realize. I don't and I
Speaker 5: don't even try to make them realize this. When I
Speaker 5: would just say this at the time of playing basketball
Speaker 5: in the nineties was a very physical sport, right, It wasn't.
Speaker 5: It wasn't a weak mass for only the strong chavaz right.
Speaker 5: And you know, as you want to compete at those
Speaker 5: best at those best levels. So I don't think drugs
Speaker 5: really came into factor to me until probably when I
Speaker 5: started to lose. You know, when you start to lose
Speaker 5: your life.
Speaker 6: Change, you know. So you know.
Speaker 5: The one thing and I tell you, guys, just the
Speaker 5: one thing that I kind of regret about back then
Speaker 5: is that I'll say this is that you know, playing
Speaker 5: with Gary Payton, we had this great friendship, this great
Speaker 5: camaradi where we won so many games, winning fifty sixty
Speaker 5: games a year. You sometimes when you start to look
Speaker 5: at things far as it's financial, sometimes you put that
Speaker 5: ahead of what you have chemistry wise.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I tell Gary this all the time. If I could
Speaker 5: go back and change a few things we were, probably
Speaker 5: both of us would probably work on being with each other,
Speaker 5: playing with each other a little bit longer.
Speaker 6: Than what we did.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, What's the Story out? So I did voiceovers for
Speaker 2: this show called What's Real Stories of Basketball? And it
Speaker 2: was when they brought Old Boy and that average like
Speaker 2: four points and two rebounds anything maclvain. So I did
Speaker 2: the voiceover for that seed you talked on it and everything,
Speaker 2: So I did the voiceover for that, and I didn't
Speaker 2: obviously I was younger when that happened, so I didn't realize, like.
Speaker 3: Damn, why would he leave?
Speaker 2: But I read how you know they came in four
Speaker 2: years on note like they came in and gave Jim mcavain,
Speaker 2: someone who didn't play, didn't do anything, a bunch of money.
Speaker 2: This dude led the team every in rebounds, scoring, to
Speaker 2: the to the playoffs, to the and he was making
Speaker 2: more than Sean So that you at the time, right,
Speaker 2: so that maybe some more things. But like I said,
Speaker 2: that's the kind of what I got.
Speaker 5: But I think you know, to me, it wasn't necessarily
Speaker 5: about the money.
Speaker 2: It's more about the respect, right, come on, man? Like it,
Speaker 2: Come on, man.
Speaker 5: It takes a great effort, absolutely the best every day,
Speaker 5: and when you do that consistently for year after year,
Speaker 5: order for that. Yeah, But absolutely I think and I'm
Speaker 5: just telling you this when I look at it now,
Speaker 5: I look at it back and I'm probably as a
Speaker 5: young man you're going through that, you probably take it personally,
Speaker 5: YEA in life and in business, one of the things
Speaker 5: that you don't do is take things personally. Once you
Speaker 5: take it personally, it's going to affect not only who
Speaker 5: you are, but also what you do.
Speaker 2: But I assume, with all due respect, it's hard not
Speaker 2: to And I in no way do I want people
Speaker 2: to make it think like you were mad about someone
Speaker 2: else get money.
Speaker 3: That wasn't what I got from. What it was was
Speaker 3: it was the respect factor. But you would.
Speaker 2: Accomplish with that team you deserved more than what you were.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that's I think that's what you do
Speaker 5: when you're a player. You're working, You're working for that,
Speaker 5: that's what you those steps, those are the things that
Speaker 5: you're working for. And man, I was one of those
Speaker 5: guys who who who kind of went in there was
Speaker 5: just like, hey, what do I need to do to
Speaker 5: become you know, the best? What do I need to
Speaker 5: do to become one of the highest paid you know?
Speaker 5: And I can remember the conversation the general manager. The
Speaker 5: general manager came to me and he was like, well,
Speaker 5: if you if you want to be the one of
Speaker 5: the highest paid, then all yeah I do is go
Speaker 5: out there. I played Michael Jordan and I was like, okay, well, well,
Speaker 5: a couple of years later we play in the championship,
Speaker 5: and uh, I look at it as an opportunity. That's
Speaker 5: an opportunity for me to shine, and it's also an
Speaker 5: opportunity for you to make more money. As they said,
Speaker 5: I mean, if I could outscore Michael Jordan this series
Speaker 5: then and also play well and help our team achieve
Speaker 5: what we try to achieve, then I'm gonna put myself
Speaker 5: in a pretty good position. Well I played well done
Speaker 5: those little things. But when it kind of when it
Speaker 5: came time for payday, there was no phone call. When
Speaker 5: you lose the series, that's what they do to you sometimes, man.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like, hey, I kind of forgot about
Speaker 5: that conversation before ahead, So you know, I think you know,
Speaker 5: and I say this, man, as a young man, you
Speaker 5: sometimes you take those things personal without a doubt. Those
Speaker 5: same things that you take personal, you sometimes don't take personal.
Speaker 5: And that's kind of what makes you, that's what kind
Speaker 5: of drives you. So you know, there were things that
Speaker 5: I probably didn't take personal that drove me, but that
Speaker 5: one right there definitely hurt me.
Speaker 6: What's the biggest misconception about Sean Camp? Uh?
Speaker 5: Biggest misconception is I have to be about UH would
Speaker 5: probably be about that or either about UH. I guess
Speaker 5: with the drugs and the things of that session. Like
Speaker 5: I said, those things really didn't come and play man
Speaker 5: until a little bit later in the game. But I
Speaker 5: think the miscommunication that I think with the public was
Speaker 5: just me wanting to have a personal relationship and not
Speaker 5: being broadcast with myself. And I think that's what really
Speaker 5: hurt me when you and I just say this man
Speaker 5: at the time, as a young man, you want to
Speaker 5: protect not only your image but kind of your life. Yeah,
Speaker 5: those people want to get inside your life. They want
Speaker 5: to know more about you. I had that wall up,
Speaker 5: and when you put that wall up, it definitely hurts you.
Speaker 5: I realized that.
Speaker 4: Now let's get to your upbringing in El Card Indiana,
Speaker 4: who was to state basketball was crazy. The urban legend
Speaker 4: is you dunked on the Pacer center when he was fourteen.
Speaker 5: That's true, very true. Who wasn't it, Who wasn't I
Speaker 5: caught the big fellow. It was No, it wasn't Rich Swiss.
Speaker 5: It was a big seven footer. I have to look back,
Speaker 5: but he actually came to my school and we we
Speaker 5: played one on one in front of the kids. So
Speaker 5: you were a freshman probably eighth grade. Oh, you know,
Speaker 5: it was a My coach gave me to not. He
Speaker 5: had already told me you don't get him, you don't
Speaker 5: get him good. So my coach gave me to not.
Speaker 5: He was like attacking, So I just went to dunking
Speaker 5: on him. Man left.
Speaker 6: Eighth grade.
Speaker 5: Yeah, eighth grade, bro, you know so I mean, And
Speaker 5: I'll tell you guys this, Me and my coach actually
Speaker 5: had talks with We were talking to colleges and NBA
Speaker 5: teams in ninth grade. I was saying, I was trying
Speaker 5: to tell them that I was ready in ninth grade.
Speaker 5: They were trying to tell me that I needed some
Speaker 5: more maturity, you know what I'm saying. So we were
Speaker 5: talking to schools and stuff early on. I was I
Speaker 5: was definitely a little bit ahead of my time far
Speaker 5: as a strength and conditioning. And you know, they just
Speaker 5: come from growing up on the streets, bro, you know,
Speaker 5: from milk Hard, Indiana. We don't claim any fame to
Speaker 5: be anything. That's kind of the gunner of the world
Speaker 5: really when you think about it. But I will tell
Speaker 5: you this, man, when you grew up around that area
Speaker 5: between Chicago, Detroit, Indianapolis, Ohio, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Louisville. When you
Speaker 5: grew up in the middle of all those places, you
Speaker 5: see things. Those things make you tough, they make you,
Speaker 5: or they break you. The average kid that I grew
Speaker 5: up with usually went to jail or dead or dead
Speaker 5: and went out a doubt, probably seven out of ten.
Speaker 5: So I always felt great just making it through, being
Speaker 5: able to represent the city of Elkharre, the state of
Speaker 5: Indiana in the positive way and then the best way possible.
Speaker 5: And that's just to be successful in life.
Speaker 4: Bobby Knight mob Ties pulled away your mister basketball because
Speaker 4: you didn't want to rock with him?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, very true.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: You know I was very close to Coach Knight at
Speaker 5: one time. You said, we had a great relationship, you
Speaker 5: know whatever. There was things I said, Coach Knight, do
Speaker 5: you can rock with did? I didn't like. Now I
Speaker 5: will say this, he didn't do those things to hurt you.
Speaker 5: He didn't do those things to to you know, to
Speaker 5: discriminate them. Things was done just just to push you.
Speaker 5: That was his way of motivation. It was an old
Speaker 5: school way of doing things, and he was still doing
Speaker 5: it and I made the decision late in the game,
Speaker 5: but very late in the game, to switch schools, switch
Speaker 5: schools and go to Kentucky. Coach Knight was very upset
Speaker 5: about that. And that's because we had a great relationship.
Speaker 5: One off it sounds Patrick. We actually grew up playing
Speaker 5: AAU basketball together, so I was able to spend time
Speaker 5: with some time with the Sun, time with Coach Knight.
Speaker 5: We had a you know, a great relationship. But you know,
Speaker 5: I've seen a few things that made me question when
Speaker 5: you're a young man, when you see some of them things,
Speaker 5: you know, you like damn coaches out there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't deal with that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't deal with that. It's an easy way
Speaker 5: to do things. So you know, I thought by going
Speaker 5: to Kentucky that would be better. But you know, once
Speaker 5: I went to Kentucky, they actually went on probation. Man.
Speaker 5: That's what the problem was. They went on probation before
Speaker 5: I even got to school to go to school there.
Speaker 5: You know, one of my good friends is Chris Mills.
Speaker 5: M you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Chris Mills. Me and
Speaker 5: Chris Mills. Well, I grew up. I played my AE
Speaker 5: basketball out here now Los Angeles. I played for cine Monica.
Speaker 5: I played out in the Valley cine Monica. I played
Speaker 5: with Mitchell Butler, Chris Mills, you know, Chris daddy was
Speaker 5: my daddy.
Speaker 2: Did you ever come up here and play in the
Speaker 2: U c. A Men's gym in the summertime?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 6: I missed.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2: Was it true that you almost went to un O
Speaker 2: V with Larry Johnson?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? So basically I was actually when I was at
Speaker 5: Trinity Valley and that was it was a decision, But
Speaker 5: I go to Trinity Valley, I do I go to
Speaker 5: UH out of the Western Texas and go to school with
Speaker 5: Larry Johnson. Well, I actually called I actually called him,
Speaker 5: got a hold of magic and talk to him and
Speaker 5: ask him his opinion. And then he told me. He
Speaker 5: told me he thought, you know, he thought I was ready.
Speaker 5: Well he played with me in the summertime and he
Speaker 5: thought I was ready. So you know, by that time,
Speaker 5: I went to Trinity Valley just for a few weeks,
Speaker 5: and then I moved out here to LA. I was training.
Speaker 5: I was actually living here in Los Angeles, playing in
Speaker 5: U c. L A every day.
Speaker 3: What year was that?
Speaker 5: This would have been nineteen eighty eight, This would have
Speaker 5: been nineteen eighty eight and the Sonics owner son was
Speaker 5: going to UCLA. At UCLA for a long time. Boy,
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah. Magic was the king of the courts at
Speaker 5: the time. Magic was may we come down court. Magic
Speaker 5: will kick you and one qualifoul every time down court.
Speaker 6: You know you can't argue with its true, you know
Speaker 6: you can't.
Speaker 5: He can't argue with Magic.
Speaker 6: So he was doing was he was.
Speaker 5: He was working us at the gym every day.
Speaker 3: Man, he was doing that. Ten years later, ninety eight,
Speaker 3: when I came down here. It's funny.
Speaker 2: We had a show with him, a live show with him,
Speaker 2: and I went to the bathroom real quick, and Paul
Speaker 2: Pierce came up on stage because he's in the crowd.
Speaker 2: He started talking about Magic. He was cheating on them runs.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean that's like around the table he
Speaker 5: had the he started to create the Midnight Uh yeah,
Speaker 5: I got chance to open that stuff. That Magic. No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: yeah no.
Speaker 3: No, that that's so l A l E n least
Speaker 3: summer nights.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean as I as I came into the
Speaker 5: NBA and I looked at this whole the whole NBA league,
Speaker 5: I was looking at Magic mid summer nights. I was
Speaker 5: looking at what Magic was doing, how he played the game,
Speaker 5: what he did. I was looking at everything. I was
Speaker 5: studying Magic when he was in Michigan State. I was
Speaker 5: studying his game. One of the guys I grew up
Speaker 5: playing with is Scott Skoules, Jack Love Scottscotts.
Speaker 6: I don't don't.
Speaker 5: Scott Scouts is a bad boy man, different dude.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: He get under eat your skill.
Speaker 6: He got up under mine where I stayed home.
Speaker 5: You know, man, I'm saying, say, I used to watch man.
Speaker 5: I tell you, I used to watch Scott Scouts when
Speaker 5: I was in seventh grade. And he would come and
Speaker 5: play against the all black schools and they was trying
Speaker 5: to knock him out and stuff. And he would tell
Speaker 5: these brothers, man, I'll get y'all forty five, and he
Speaker 5: would hit forty five and he wouldn't score no more.
Speaker 6: Like that.
Speaker 3: He probably would have whooped your ass too. Jack.
Speaker 5: I don't know about that. I don't know about that.
Speaker 5: I don't know about that.
Speaker 3: He turned Jack.
Speaker 2: Jack went on a mixtape tour that season with the Bucks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I couldn't play them. So is this an urban legend?
Speaker 2: You got your first practice through a radio dunk contest?
Speaker 5: Is that crazy at what? Man? Yeah, I'm gonna keep
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you what the truth too. Now I'm
Speaker 5: in college and Trinity Valley and we ain't but two
Speaker 5: damn restaurants there. It's a dairy Queen and the McDonald
Speaker 5: that's your choice of restaurants. You go out too, Bro
Speaker 5: and uh in Eastern Texas and they came on the
Speaker 5: radio and they was like this. They say, Hey, there's
Speaker 5: a dunk contest next Friday night and the winner and
Speaker 5: the winner the dunk contest gets to practice with the
Speaker 5: Mavericks all week here. Three practices, yes, they said, three
Speaker 5: practices if you win the on contest. So everybody in
Speaker 5: the every junior college around Texas was trying to get
Speaker 5: in their motherfucker man. I mean you name it, Sino Tyler,
Speaker 5: you every every last school man. We was down there
Speaker 5: after the Dallas Na then was probably six contestants, man,
Speaker 5: and I want the dunk contest that night, and Uh,
Speaker 5: I got a chance to practice with the Mavericks. Now
Speaker 5: I get to the Mavericks practice and guess who's on
Speaker 5: the damn team My teammates that the strip Sam Perkins.
Speaker 5: They on the They on the team, and I am.
Speaker 5: I come in and I guess you get a chance
Speaker 5: to practice with him? Where they let me practice one day?
Speaker 5: I bullshit you not, So if you don't. There's a
Speaker 5: guy that works for the Mavericks man light skinned guy, Chris.
Speaker 5: His name is Chris something. Man. I can't take to
Speaker 5: Chris's last name. He still works for the Mavericks. I
Speaker 5: believe their TV guy.
Speaker 3: We'll find him.
Speaker 5: He was on the radio. He was on the radio.
Speaker 5: He actually they sent me to the locker room. He
Speaker 5: actually came in the locker room. And this is where
Speaker 5: it kind of started at. This is the night where
Speaker 5: the shit started at you know, Juny College. You h
Speaker 5: get the motherfucker. He ain't ship popping off. You ain't
Speaker 5: in Kentucky no more. Chris Arnold, Chris Arnold. So Chris
Speaker 5: Arnold comes back in the locker room and he was like, hey,
Speaker 5: well what he's like, you ain't got no agent? And
Speaker 5: I was like, man, He's like he was like that,
Speaker 5: let me be your agent. Man, you go you gonna
Speaker 5: go hardship tomorrow. And then I was like, man, you
Speaker 5: taking him ready?
Speaker 6: Shit?
Speaker 5: I didn't know if I was ready then, But by
Speaker 5: the time I got back to Trinity Valley, I knew
Speaker 5: my ass was ready. He just told me that, and
Speaker 5: that's when I started making these inquiring phone calls.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: You know, at the time eighteen, I still needed my
Speaker 5: mom's signature to kind of get me into the league.
Speaker 5: At the time, they was doing it like that. So yeah, man,
Speaker 5: that's that's really where it started off at bro. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was like I was like, Okay, don't want me
Speaker 5: to practice with him, and I played with Delft and
Speaker 5: Sam and we never talked about that because they knew
Speaker 5: I was in the ass.
Speaker 7: That's crazy, bro, Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 6: You went to the league seventeenth pick. He was a
Speaker 6: mentor by Xavier McDaniel.
Speaker 5: X Man, how was that, man, the best, best, best
Speaker 5: when the best thing that happened to me is getting
Speaker 5: drafted by Seattle. Seriously, you know, and uh Sean Kellri
Speaker 5: sives a lot of praise, but the truth of it
Speaker 5: is this, man, I got drafted by Seattle. They had
Speaker 5: some dogs on their team. Man, they had their x
Speaker 5: Man Dale Ellis. You know, they had Nate McMillan, they
Speaker 5: had Derrick McKee, Olden Polonies. Yeah, man, they had they
Speaker 5: had they had a whole They have some good ass ballers.
Speaker 5: Bro it was all about the same size. So you know,
Speaker 5: these guys tried to kick my ass at first, but
Speaker 5: we battled, ended up having a brotherhood and they end
Speaker 5: up teaching me. It was so you know at the time, man,
Speaker 5: let me I tell you this. At the time, you know,
Speaker 5: shit has changed in the NBA at the time that
Speaker 5: I came into the n b A, I was the
Speaker 5: first of these guys that come in. They didn't believe
Speaker 5: shit that you said. They didn't believe anything anything that
Speaker 5: you told them. They didn't really want to believe. You
Speaker 5: had to show them. Motherfuckers didn't believe you. Read they
Speaker 5: here's a piece of packer. Read this. I started, what
Speaker 5: you feel what I'm saying? And then, uh, I mean
Speaker 5: some of the teams was crazy, man, some of the
Speaker 5: there's one team motherfuckers put me in the gym with
Speaker 5: one of their best seven foots and uh, I guess
Speaker 5: they thought he was gonna timidate me and should they was?
Speaker 5: I guess they was skinny. He go, we won't put
Speaker 5: him in there with this seven two ugly motherfucker. He
Speaker 5: gonna timidate he We gonna run his ass back to college. Well,
Speaker 5: we got he got a little physical, he got a
Speaker 5: little physical up in there. Yeah, yeah, and uh and
Speaker 5: they seven two center was bleeding all out the mouth
Speaker 5: of those and ship by the time we got there playing,
Speaker 5: they had to come in there and stop that their workout.
Speaker 5: They had to stop the workout. So I had him Lincoln.
Speaker 5: So that was yeah, man, I'm a I'm you know,
Speaker 5: I I shouldn't even say this. It was the Phoenix
Speaker 5: Suns at the time. Man, But they put me in
Speaker 5: the gym with this big ass, monky ass and then
Speaker 5: they expected my fucking not to come out. They thought
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna come out to gym. Put him through
Speaker 5: these drills. I could tell they was like rough his
Speaker 5: his ass up. So I was like, lookude, you keep
Speaker 5: ruffing me up a fucking old ass up in this gym.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what happened, you, exactly what happened. So at
Speaker 5: the time, you know, at the time of coming into
Speaker 5: the league, at that time, brou there was no background. Man.
Speaker 5: I mean, I said, it was child to be it's
Speaker 5: what they was doing. So but I definitely needed I
Speaker 5: benefit off the practice of it. So I was going
Speaker 5: two hours in the morning, two hours at lunchtime, two
Speaker 5: hours in the evening, two hours later. May that's how
Speaker 5: much footwork and drilling that I needed.
Speaker 6: Does the name Andrew Lang sound for me?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, Oh my god. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 5: a lot of drilling, man and I needed at the time.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 6: But I think.
Speaker 5: Greg wasn't there already. Greg was at un l V
Speaker 5: me and had a great me and had a great relationship.
Speaker 5: You know, while I was in high school. You know,
Speaker 5: un l V was a school that I really wanted
Speaker 5: to go to, but it was too far away from home. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was just too far away. Yeah, me and ger
Speaker 5: go back. I met gerg and Tark at e l V.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, they was, they was. They was very good friends
Speaker 5: of mine. Used to help me out, used to look
Speaker 5: out for me and give me words of you know,
Speaker 5: confident wisdom. Also with the players man at the time,
Speaker 5: Greg Anthony, guys of that sort. So you know, I
Speaker 5: benefit off talking to these guys.
Speaker 4: Early on, X Man told a story on Tim Thomas
Speaker 4: The School Beast podcast about Library talking ship to you saying, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm the best motherfucker man.
Speaker 6: Dianna put it three into my balls. That's true.
Speaker 5: It is very true. You know Larry hey Man, he
Speaker 5: first of all, we got to Boston and like he
Speaker 5: had this, he has some, he has some me pay
Speaker 5: and I was like for you to come over with me.
Speaker 5: I ain't going tonight.
Speaker 6: You got.
Speaker 5: Exactly. I look at the boy, I'm like, so you know,
Speaker 5: I look at the mirror. I'm like, well, ship, this
Speaker 5: mother fucking fits out here in the work. So I
Speaker 5: was before the game. I was over there rubbing my
Speaker 5: hands looking at him. I'm about to get your ass.
Speaker 6: What year was this for you?
Speaker 5: This was my first year?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 5: And that day they came out with that morning, they
Speaker 5: came out with a USA USA Today article and they
Speaker 5: said that Larry didn't have it no more. So he
Speaker 5: came out that night to make a statement and I
Speaker 5: was just the prime candidate. Yeah, before the game he
Speaker 5: told me, he was like he just shook his head
Speaker 5: and he said, man, it's gonna be a fucked up
Speaker 5: night for you.
Speaker 6: So what do you put up?
Speaker 5: I think he gave me what he gave me. I
Speaker 5: think he gave me forty forty six three?
Speaker 6: What did you do?
Speaker 5: But I end up found out, But I was on
Speaker 5: his mask. I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 5: you this way. I was on it. He was actually
Speaker 5: calling out bank shots. He would say, next time bank
Speaker 5: shot left side, I'm ana pump fake you your dumb
Speaker 5: ask you gonna go for it. He would tell you that,
Speaker 5: And it happened, and I said, I said, first of all,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be so close to if you if you
Speaker 5: shoot the ball. Next said, I wanna try to rip
Speaker 5: your fucking arm off your shide what you take he did? Man,
Speaker 5: I clicked perfect dogg and you know for that ship
Speaker 5: here at you man, come on? Many was how cold?
Speaker 5: I don't think when I guarded his ass so tough.
Speaker 5: I guarded his ass so tough that after the game
Speaker 5: he came he sent the little letter over there to me.
Speaker 5: He was like, he was like, I've had nobody play
Speaker 5: defense that hard on me. I appreciate you playing out
Speaker 5: here that. He was like, I got a little All
Speaker 5: Star game. Whytn't you come work out women? Come to
Speaker 5: the All Star game? Man, let me see that summer.
Speaker 5: I was like ship that met everything to you guys,
Speaker 5: became a friend absolutely. So it went from him whooping
Speaker 5: my ass to him teaching me a few things. I
Speaker 5: surely appreciate that. And that's that's the old NBA. That's
Speaker 5: how I used to supposed to be. That's how it
Speaker 5: used to be.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: That's why I think in the league the league suffers
Speaker 5: there because they don't have enough veterans. You gotta have
Speaker 5: two or three veterans on the bitch. They should they
Speaker 5: should have had in the in the bargaining contract. Always
Speaker 5: keep a couple of vets the bitch at least times
Speaker 5: called words of wisdom. Words of wisdom to them on
Speaker 5: the court.
Speaker 2: Bridge the gap between the coaches, keep them out the
Speaker 2: pitfalls of the court. Like we've been saying this ship
Speaker 2: for the five years we've been on this show. We've
Speaker 2: been saying it.
Speaker 5: But I played with a guy man years ago.
Speaker 6: Man, it's.
Speaker 5: I think he taught Michael Jordan how to play. It
Speaker 5: was Quentin Daily, you know. I think he was the
Speaker 5: one that kind of helped Michael Jordan, you know, balance
Speaker 5: his offensive game when they was in Chicago. When I
Speaker 5: played with Quentin Daily in Seattle, and Quintin Daly was
Speaker 5: a beast man.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: He used to say little things to me, you know,
Speaker 5: instead of shooting the ball, get to the pay put
Speaker 5: a body on him. And what was work on your
Speaker 5: mid rage game? All that little shit?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: You know nowadays they just running down shooting threes, finger
Speaker 5: over it. You know, the old school game. It used
Speaker 5: to be working that spot, getting into that mid rage,
Speaker 5: getting them solid jump shots off, shooting a high percentage.
Speaker 5: Now they just you know, if you shoot thirty percent,
Speaker 5: that's great.
Speaker 3: How long did it take you to develop that mid range?
Speaker 5: It took me, man, It took mean for about three
Speaker 5: four years, you know, three three four years. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: should I tell y'all, man, Man me Gary played. I
Speaker 5: played my first year by myself. Gary came in the
Speaker 5: second year. Uh, we was bawling, dunking, running on everybody.
Speaker 5: You see the highlights. And then my mother was like,
Speaker 5: fun that we're gonna start sagging off to go otherfuckers.
Speaker 5: We ain't gonna go for all that ship. So then,
Speaker 5: uh we started struggling. Me and Gary both were struggling.
Speaker 5: He couldn't get them layoups. I couldn't get the dunks.
Speaker 5: The teams was playing against us, so we you know, uh,
Speaker 5: the signing starting to trade both of us really is
Speaker 5: what happened.
Speaker 3: Many they've been three year three.
Speaker 5: Right after Casey Jones left Seattle. They was they were
Speaker 5: streighting to trade by me and Gary Damn.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So that summer when we had that, we went up.
Speaker 5: We was like, well, ship, well if they we ain't
Speaker 5: gonna we ain't gonna go out unless it's a fight.
Speaker 5: We're gonna were about to show they as something this year.
Speaker 5: So we went the whole summer and that's kind of
Speaker 5: when we started working out in Vegas with Gerd working
Speaker 5: on our game in Vegas, working on that mid range game.
Speaker 5: Just mid range two points, two points here, two points there,
Speaker 5: bouncing left hand, right hand off the glass, and then
Speaker 5: that's what made my game take off. Bro, That's that's
Speaker 5: what really did. Once once I learned how to bounce
Speaker 5: and started making that mid range, then I was able
Speaker 5: really to get to some dunks and do some explosive plays.
Speaker 2: Oakland and Indiana came together. Yeah, absolutely, GP talked to us.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I want to hear about on the court,
Speaker 2: but I want to hear off the court. I mean,
Speaker 2: you guys captured a basketball and inspired and I played
Speaker 2: on that Lob City team.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I used to talk about you guys, and when we
Speaker 2: talk about us with Blake and DJ with you and
Speaker 2: GP used to do so, I mean, you guys just
Speaker 2: kind of captivated the world.
Speaker 6: What was that?
Speaker 3: What was that like on air?
Speaker 5: It's good. Me and Gary clicked from day one, bro,
Speaker 5: you know, so we was able to click, not just
Speaker 5: on that court, but off the court, hang out, shoe
Speaker 5: pool together. And still to this day we still work
Speaker 5: with each other and do stuff with each other. All
Speaker 5: the graph sessions, uh, you know, should I sell his
Speaker 5: weed products in my stores? All all that ship So
Speaker 5: we we still look out for each other and work
Speaker 5: with each other. But you know, at the time, the
Speaker 5: thing with Gary is that we can motherfuck each other.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Look, get your mother fucking
Speaker 5: shit together, get your shit together respected, you know. And
Speaker 5: he would get in my face, He's like, look, mother fuck,
Speaker 5: get your ship together. Yeah, you're playing against David Robinson
Speaker 5: until Duncan fucked him, you still got to go up
Speaker 5: in there dunk on the mother And that's just how
Speaker 5: it was. And he was the first player that I
Speaker 5: played with that we could have that type of relationship,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. He would call me out
Speaker 5: on my ship and I could call his ass out
Speaker 5: on the ship.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: I remember a night in Philadelphia, Dog, we was cossing
Speaker 5: each other out so bad man. You know, you know,
Speaker 5: if you you to taught, we hated each other, but
Speaker 5: we came back in the second half of worship. I
Speaker 5: feel you see what I'm saying, that's what that's what
Speaker 5: type of relationship we had. Definitely fed off that. You know,
Speaker 5: we off that. My mom and his mom before she
Speaker 5: passed away, was good friends. H You know, I'm glad
Speaker 5: I've been with around his kids. He's been around my
Speaker 5: kids all day life. So I respect you shit out, Gary, Man.
Speaker 5: I'm happy for him. He's always been a smart, intuitive player,
Speaker 5: but definitely I was the one that's always been pushing
Speaker 5: him on that court, and it truly showed after we
Speaker 5: didn't play with each other. I think both of our careers,
Speaker 5: you know, went a little sideways.
Speaker 3: So that was one thing you wish if you can
Speaker 3: go up, that would be the one thing that yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, if the one thing, no doubt about it, man,
Speaker 5: the one thing if I go back, Man, we don't
Speaker 5: break that relationship. We don't break that relationship. Matter of fact,
Speaker 5: like when I tell him, now, say we go back, man,
Speaker 5: we're supposed to go up in there in the office
Speaker 5: and tell them to make that shit work instead of
Speaker 5: getting mad and getting upset about this and that, we're
Speaker 5: supposed to go up in there and be like, yo,
Speaker 5: this is what we need, you know, because that's what
Speaker 5: they do to us when.
Speaker 2: We was y'all, I mean not to cut you off.
Speaker 2: I know players later on we're going in and talking
Speaker 2: to manager like that where you guys ask players doing
Speaker 2: that at that time, that was early.
Speaker 5: On absolutely, man, we was. We was very intuitive with
Speaker 5: the coaches and ship in the management, telling them what
Speaker 5: we wanted, you know, to go back and like to
Speaker 5: tell y'all, I was the reason Michael Vain came to
Speaker 5: Seattle because of me. I was the one that noticed
Speaker 5: him on the court. I ain't gonna say, paid this
Speaker 5: my fucking sixty something points, but I like I told
Speaker 5: Jim Man, don't turn down no free fucking money, right,
Speaker 5: don't don't you turn out? And I love him to
Speaker 5: death as a friend, still do. He didn't make a
Speaker 5: bad decision at all. That was a team's fault for that,
Speaker 5: So I don't hold anything against Jim Man. Jim was
Speaker 5: a great guy when we played with each other. We
Speaker 5: worked out with each other in the morning. I respect him,
Speaker 5: but that was the team's decision to do that, so
Speaker 5: it wasn't personal.
Speaker 2: Tell us a story about GP going at MJ in
Speaker 2: the preseasonn you.
Speaker 5: Know, uh, Man, Like like with myself, Man, I'm one
Speaker 5: of them guys who always believe in motivating cats man.
Speaker 5: You know, like they said, people got different ways of motivating,
Speaker 5: and in the hood, we motivate. We motivate people differently,
Speaker 5: you know. We we don't always slap you on your
Speaker 5: ass and tell you a good job to motivate you.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: You know when I used to see Michael Jordan and
Speaker 5: I would see Gary, I would go over and whisper
Speaker 5: some ship in Gary's ear. There he is, he's about
Speaker 5: to kill your ass because I know that's gonna get
Speaker 5: I know that's gonna get underneath the skied man. But
Speaker 5: I know that's gonna bring the best out of it.
Speaker 5: That's the only reason I do that. Make And at
Speaker 5: the time, at the time when I would do this
Speaker 5: to Gary, it wasn't because I didn't think less of man.
Speaker 5: It's because I knew this boy could play.
Speaker 2: Some serious des could he could he push your buttons.
Speaker 2: He would, Man, he knew exactly what. But yeah, he
Speaker 2: knew exactly we kind of you know, and he you know,
Speaker 2: spa come on if we planned it against one of
Speaker 2: these singers, he's Patrick going, yeah, oh yeah, come over,
Speaker 2: don't let me figure don't let me go to the
Speaker 2: hole and finger rolling.
Speaker 5: Yeah we figure over, No, saw Ship.
Speaker 6: We finger roll in the night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was tearing around down there. You got these
Speaker 5: boy man. Yeah, absolutely, Man, we had that type of relationship.
Speaker 3: I love to hear.
Speaker 6: I love to hear.
Speaker 2: So Saw This went fifty five plus games, five years
Speaker 2: in a row, ninety three to ninety seven. Ninety three
Speaker 2: lost in game seven to Charles Barklay and the Suns.
Speaker 2: Barkley shot twenty two. God damn free though, Yeah cheat,
Speaker 2: I think you cheat a lot of three. Yeah, who
Speaker 2: was wrapping? Remember who was reffing back then?
Speaker 5: Tim was he?
Speaker 6: Yes, he was Donny.
Speaker 5: He was on that game.
Speaker 6: God damn Tim. You just fuck there a boy? The
Speaker 6: ship up.
Speaker 3: Cut it out.
Speaker 5: They shot down their fifty free throws. We think we
Speaker 5: shot eight or nine free throws. They shot They wanted
Speaker 5: they wanted Phoenix to get to the championship. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: you know, I will say this though too.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: You know it's still it's just in the game today,
Speaker 5: aggressive play wins. You know, whoever gets to the free
Speaker 5: throw line the most of the time, who's gonna be
Speaker 5: the first one, the first one to create contact and
Speaker 5: the first one to get to that free throw line,
Speaker 5: that's gonna win the game. It still goes to today's game.
Speaker 5: There ain't nothing changed.
Speaker 2: Years later, ninety first round exits in ninety four, you
Speaker 2: become the first one seed to lose to an eight
Speaker 2: seed demper if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, you gotta have the right chemistry. You know,
Speaker 5: when when you look back at our at our at
Speaker 5: our years that we had bro you know, the year
Speaker 5: with Michael Jordan going to the championship, that was okay,
Speaker 5: but we actually lost that. We lost before that, man,
Speaker 5: our years of winning the championship came when Michael was
Speaker 5: retired and Houston win those two championships. That's when we
Speaker 5: were supposed to take advantage of we were supposed to
Speaker 5: get one of them Marines right there. But what happens
Speaker 5: is when you when you're making so many changes on
Speaker 5: the team and the chemistry gets off, marn sometimes you
Speaker 5: bring in them. Well, they don't take but one or
Speaker 5: two bad people to bring in. Don't pike up the chemistry. Mothers,
Speaker 5: don't want to pass the ball later in the game,
Speaker 5: get to shoot that ship. You know when when somebody
Speaker 5: do that, the next person started doing that. So, uh,
Speaker 5: I think in a couple of years when we have
Speaker 5: some problems with some selfish play with some players and stuff,
Speaker 5: and uh, the result is that is that you up
Speaker 5: three zero and if you if you don't bring it,
Speaker 5: you're gonna lose four four straight in which we did.
Speaker 5: And there were some young boys with dinner, some young dogs.
Speaker 5: It was hungry, and they was motivated by beating some
Speaker 5: some veterans, some savvy veterans, and they just whipped our
Speaker 5: ass like they were supposed to.
Speaker 2: You finally break through, You sweep Dream and Clyde beat
Speaker 2: Stocking them alone in seven you get to Mike, You're
Speaker 2: revenue twenty three and ten in the finals.
Speaker 6: What was that?
Speaker 3: We got GP start. We had GP a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 2: GP said if GP said, if they would have put
Speaker 2: him on our MJ earlier, y'all would have won it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Gary was having had They had a couple of
Speaker 5: little injuries he had, so they didn't want to exert him.
Speaker 5: At first, they put that lia on Michael Jordan, which
Speaker 5: didn't go well. I mean, I mean, look at it.
Speaker 5: Dedland is a great player. I mean he is man.
Speaker 5: I don't think it was fair to him all of
Speaker 5: a sudden. You know, you come on, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. If anything, you pull somebody off the bench
Speaker 5: and pull on Michael Jordan, they can just waste files
Speaker 5: and be physical with him. But you know, you come
Speaker 5: out there being soft with Michael, He's gonna take advantage
Speaker 5: of you. And that's exactly what happened. But Michael wasn't
Speaker 5: the reason he didn't beat us in the championship. He
Speaker 5: did not beat us. Man was on his ass, but
Speaker 5: he didn't beat us. Dennis Robbins the one who we
Speaker 5: had no answer for. His ass man. Really, we had
Speaker 5: no answer for Dennis Robbins. I mean, every time that
Speaker 5: they needed a second shot or something special, extra rebound
Speaker 5: or chippion, this motherfucker was flying and weaking, and I
Speaker 5: mean he said winking and winking and tisting and ship
Speaker 5: frustrating everybody on the team. Man's not even like that.
Speaker 5: He just do that Ship just just doing that ship.
Speaker 5: He had my team just flustered.
Speaker 3: Man, what kind of ship would he do?
Speaker 5: Uh, I'm gonna tell you what. Frank mcconsky. Man then
Speaker 5: this month and dinner started wearing color contacts. The championship,
Speaker 5: he started wearing color color contacts in the Championship with
Speaker 5: some lip ship on man. He would be like he
Speaker 5: was trying to kiss Frank's arm and the ship, and
Speaker 5: then Frank just couldn't take it. Man, it was just
Speaker 5: the man and him just couldn't allow it. Dinn's new
Speaker 5: buttons to push, man, we need to freak the rebound.
Speaker 5: He got him all discombobulated.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: So yeah, my god, absolutely, man, Dennis Robert, he I
Speaker 5: was his defense man's well me, I mean his defense
Speaker 5: was good. It wasn't. I mean, he wasn't just too
Speaker 5: big for dinner, right, you know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 5: a little bit too big for dinner. I don't think
Speaker 5: that's a fair agile too. But his defense was great.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: Like I said, he was just tipping the ball and
Speaker 5: rebounding high knee and doing all this silly ship man,
Speaker 5: all all the ship that you hate to see, and
Speaker 5: they needed. Yeah, that's exactly what they need.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: Scotty Pipping is great man. You know, I play with
Speaker 5: Pipping in Portland. I just say this, but sometimes the
Speaker 5: people don't get Pipping his props. But Scottie Pippen was
Speaker 5: gonna be good ball player without Michael Jordan. He would
Speaker 5: have been a quality ball player without Michael Jordan. Michael
Speaker 5: Jordan definitely made him a little bit better. But my man,
Speaker 5: Scottie Pippen was still balling when he was in Portland.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: He wasn't no match for Kobe when we were playing
Speaker 5: back then. Yeah, yeah, but Scotty was still balling.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: He could still play the pass and lanes. He never
Speaker 5: been a great shooter, but he's just been athletic to
Speaker 5: do a lot of different things, you know, pass, scoring, rebounding,
Speaker 5: that's his game.
Speaker 3: Talk.
Speaker 2: What was Mike like in those finals? Talking just straight
Speaker 2: about business?
Speaker 6: What was it like?
Speaker 5: And well, we played Mike in the finals. Were trying
Speaker 5: to engage with him a lot, man. We really wanted him.
Speaker 5: We wanted physicality, We wanted to uh. We was trying
Speaker 5: to test him, but he wasn't. He wasn't going forward.
Speaker 5: He was focused all right.
Speaker 3: Here was a picture right there.
Speaker 5: No that's that's Gary. Gary was letting him know that
Speaker 5: he was getting in his ass. Because that's when they
Speaker 5: didn't put they took Gary. They took dadla f off.
Speaker 5: Michael put Gary on. So Gary, you know, I used
Speaker 5: to run down court and I'd be like, shortened the glove.
Speaker 5: I'd be like the glove can't give his back the
Speaker 5: ball away and gave him flashy glove to But that's
Speaker 5: you see Michael looking back. He flashing that glove side.
Speaker 5: He didn't like that ship. That's the ship. That's the ship.
Speaker 5: That's the ship there. That's you. You get Michael going. Man,
Speaker 5: when you see that look right there, you got some
Speaker 5: problems coming back because now he don't want to talk
Speaker 5: to you. Now he got something to prove to you.
Speaker 5: You got another problem.
Speaker 3: Get a chance to know Mike off the court, not
Speaker 3: so much off the.
Speaker 5: Court, but definitely battles on the court, man, definitely battles
Speaker 5: on the car respecting. I got a lot of mad
Speaker 5: respect for the man. You know, I've seen people be
Speaker 5: physical with Mike. I've seen him have a game plan
Speaker 5: to stop him. He altered his game plan every night.
Speaker 5: He couldn't stop him. Is he the best to ever
Speaker 5: played the game.
Speaker 6: No, who is.
Speaker 5: I mean, people get mad at me when I say this,
Speaker 5: spell but Bill Russell, Bill Russell, Bill Russell. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. The best they ever played the game
Speaker 5: is not gonna be the league scorer. Best to play
Speaker 5: the game is gonna be one. It's gonna be in
Speaker 5: the middle doing a lot of different things because he's
Speaker 5: gonna be able to help people out. Keep the ball
Speaker 5: in play. Bill Russell was the first one blocking shots.
Speaker 5: Keep the ball in play. You know, we was blocking
Speaker 5: shots doing that shit, seventeen rolls up in the stairs.
Speaker 5: He was actually blocking shots and they was actually getting
Speaker 5: fucking layups off of him. So absolutely, man, I you know,
Speaker 5: as I look through the years of basketball, I think
Speaker 5: Will Chamber was a beast. But ship Bill Russell was
Speaker 5: wearing his ass up. So let's keep it real. If
Speaker 5: you're talking about the all around best player of the game,
Speaker 5: you look at and see how many championships they won,
Speaker 5: how long they did it, He's got to be up there, bro.
Speaker 5: So with that think, you know, I think unfortunately people
Speaker 5: forget about the age a little bit. People didn't get
Speaker 5: a chance to see those guys play. They don't really
Speaker 5: know the history of some of these older players played
Speaker 5: in the game back then, Elgin Baylor and some of
Speaker 5: these guys, but they didn't get a chance to see
Speaker 5: some of these guys. All they see is a couple
Speaker 5: of clips and now they forced to be able to
Speaker 5: look at Michael and Kobe and Lebron.
Speaker 2: So with that said, Lebron is someone that was in
Speaker 2: a mix of doing everything. Where do you kind of
Speaker 2: have him in the hierarchy?
Speaker 5: Man, I think Lebron is right up there. I don't
Speaker 5: think he's the best. Well, I don't think he has
Speaker 5: to be the best. And I don't think Lebron should
Speaker 5: be compared to Michael Jordan either. I think Lebron should
Speaker 5: be compared to Magic Johnson. Right. I think that you know,
Speaker 5: whoever started that ship up got it totally wrong.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: Lebron is not no damn Michael Jordan's. Kobe is more
Speaker 5: like Michael Jordan, Bron is more like Magic Johnson. It's
Speaker 5: like they wanted to make a story for the news
Speaker 5: or something, I guess, so they just do their name
Speaker 5: up in there. But absolutely, man, I don't see how
Speaker 5: you could you really compare those two. He's such a
Speaker 5: bigger stronger person than what Michael Jordan was the most
Speaker 5: forceful person. You know. I just well, Lebron, I wonder.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he could have done that back
Speaker 5: when we played with all those big bodies. I don't
Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm not saying that he wouldn't have
Speaker 5: been a very good player, but I think his game
Speaker 5: would have had to change. He would have play, had
Speaker 5: to play more like he did in his younger years.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you saw m J at his peak and you
Speaker 2: you got you saw Kob a young Coke getting going.
Speaker 3: Compare and contrast those two, man.
Speaker 5: You know, with Kobe Man, it was I man, it
Speaker 5: was it was different.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: I I used to uh, you know with Coche. You know,
Speaker 5: I had got this chance to play against Michael Jordan bruh.
Speaker 5: And when I got a chance to go against Kobe
Speaker 5: late in the season, I really wanted to test his ass.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: I want to see if he was as strong as
Speaker 5: Michael was. So I used to uh. I used to
Speaker 5: have Ruben Pattison on my team, man, and I used
Speaker 5: to shake water and stop. I used to go around
Speaker 5: and just gas these guys up to play against Kobe man.
Speaker 6: But it was.
Speaker 5: Just I mean, I mean, and the thing about it, man,
Speaker 5: Kobe got mad at me for doing that ship and
Speaker 5: he was he was here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, got asked pride out there. You gotta fake. I
Speaker 7: got Bonzie fried to you got as pride to Absolutely.
Speaker 7: I think that's what the game is about. If anything, man,
Speaker 7: did I miss about the game?
Speaker 5: Is that locker room?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, fight bus ride card games. You remember, just tough
Speaker 2: ass press. You're sitting that motherfucker two three hours, that's right. No,
Speaker 2: just in your town, no shower yet, chopping it up.
Speaker 5: Chopping it up. That's what about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The relationships that you have with the players and stuff. Absolutely,
Speaker 5: What does Duncan mean to you? Man?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Duncan. It didn't mean that much to me at first, man,
Speaker 5: But you know, I think, uh, I tell you all this, man,
Speaker 5: I wasn't really dunk in the basketball when I first
Speaker 5: got into the NBA. The motherfucker wasn't playing me enough.
Speaker 5: And I would sit on there, goddamn bitch late in
Speaker 5: the game and I'd be so furtherfucking man, and I'd
Speaker 5: be like the I mean, fuck, who was your coach
Speaker 5: at the time. It was Bernie Bickerstaff. And then that Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, I got. I got. My coach was one
Speaker 5: of those old black professional going straight by the book coaches,
Speaker 5: and Bertie used to have this, uh, this rule he
Speaker 5: used to tell me. He'd be like, look, he I'm
Speaker 5: gonna put your young ass in the game. You know
Speaker 5: what you use. You're playing right back tonight. When the
Speaker 5: motherfucking veterans throw the ball back, you throw it right
Speaker 5: back to the ass and go set a pitch. If
Speaker 5: it ain't a dunk, if it ain't a dunk, don't
Speaker 5: shoot it. Look look at me. If it ain't matter
Speaker 5: of fact, if it ain't a dunk, if you shoot
Speaker 5: that motherfucker, you run your ass right right back over
Speaker 5: here and shit your ass. Then that's what you do.
Speaker 5: I have to play like that, boy, man, it's tough
Speaker 5: to play like that. And then he knew what he
Speaker 5: was doing there. One night he came to me, man,
Speaker 5: and he was just like, well, Ship, I'm gonna let
Speaker 5: you loose, my baby boy. That's sweet whiter finger roll
Speaker 5: ship you be doing. I want to see all that
Speaker 5: ship you make. I'm gonna let you loose. Don't fucking
Speaker 5: embarrass you. Don't go crazy on me, he said. But yeah,
Speaker 5: it's my rookie season too. And then that was against
Speaker 5: uh that would have been that had been against Charles Barkle,
Speaker 5: no doubt. So that was like the first would have
Speaker 5: been the first twenty point game that I got against
Speaker 5: that against yourself, Philadelphia, And then they got a little
Speaker 5: more trust.
Speaker 3: Than me and did that game kind of change and start.
Speaker 5: Man, it was a tough game because at the time,
Speaker 5: you know, when I came in, theyoul having me into
Speaker 5: two guard. I'm skinny, I'm playing the two guard in
Speaker 5: the three.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, it was tough. It's not yeah, So you know,
Speaker 5: and uh, back then they was they give you that
Speaker 5: jad it was jabbing you went to two steps, and man,
Speaker 5: it was. It was a tough catch up for me.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: So I felt like I was getting on a lot
Speaker 5: of foul property. Absolutely. So you know, I I said
Speaker 5: to myself one night, man, we ain't getting no rebounds.
Speaker 5: Let me just go ahead and just start grabbing motherfucking rebels.
Speaker 5: So once I did that, I got some rebounds, right,
Speaker 5: so I realized I could rebound the basketball. Well, my
Speaker 5: mom had told me something, man, she said, well, don't
Speaker 5: do none of that fancy ship until you get to
Speaker 5: uh somewhere big. So I waited till we got to
Speaker 5: New York. We got to New York and I told
Speaker 5: we're sitting on the end of the bench, and I
Speaker 5: told Daniel Barrows, I said, man, if you see me tonight,
Speaker 5: start my fucking in the middle something. Man, just throw
Speaker 5: it anywhere. I don't get where you throw it. Get that,
Speaker 5: he's like anyway, I said, just throw that day they
Speaker 5: just throw it up there. It's like that anywhere. I
Speaker 5: don't care where you threw it. And then you know,
Speaker 5: I made this one dunk, double pump, reverse dunk in
Speaker 5: New York.
Speaker 6: Garden.
Speaker 5: Stop bro, referee, stop, the ball just mounts. Pat Riley
Speaker 5: called the time out. You don't let this players because
Speaker 5: nobody was moving. It was in ad a little bit.
Speaker 5: Uh you know, I felt the crowd, I felt the ship. Well,
Speaker 5: I'll tell you all this man. In the next thirty days,
Speaker 5: I think I had fifty four dunks. So it just
Speaker 5: created a beast. I mean, when when I said about
Speaker 5: dunk and it wasn't, I went from duncan, I was
Speaker 5: trying to fucking rip it. I made this, no man,
Speaker 5: I would make this now. So on my bathroom mirror,
Speaker 5: every and my partners man, every anybody that was played.
Speaker 5: It was like a seven footer. We would cut a
Speaker 5: picture off of it, literal my damn mirror in my
Speaker 5: bathroom and then and I was like, you know, they
Speaker 5: was like you gotta get this, You gotta get this
Speaker 5: big fucking my boys would be like, you gotta get
Speaker 5: this big. I was like, won don't we just get
Speaker 5: everybody guards, big man, anybody there, whoever, It didn't matter.
Speaker 5: So it was just like my mindset, man, was just
Speaker 5: like I could just dump on any and everybody. It
Speaker 5: didn't matter. Five ft away, three feet away, double punt, reverse,
Speaker 5: double windmill, anything possible.
Speaker 6: Man. It was like double wind It was just like
Speaker 6: just kept talking double windmill. Yeah. Man.
Speaker 2: So it was just like, you know, trade was all statements, Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you have some do you have some favorites? Obviously
Speaker 2: the old listed one is big and we've.
Speaker 5: Seen Ratland Gallon was a good one because he listen
Speaker 5: the story do I'm saying, But the truth of it
Speaker 5: is he is he tried to hurt me. That was
Speaker 5: a playoff game. He actually tried to hurt me before that.
Speaker 5: So he basically hit threw me to the ground kind
Speaker 5: of slammed me to the ground. I told his ass,
Speaker 5: we get your old ass back. We'll get you back.
Speaker 5: I know how to get you back. I ain't gonna
Speaker 5: fight you because we get kicked out, but I know
Speaker 5: how to get your ass. I'm gonna put you one
Speaker 5: of these posts, the ratling Gatlin. This is the one
Speaker 5: of my favorite ones because I couldn't believe this nigga
Speaker 5: really gave me that. I loved it, man. I was
Speaker 5: just man, well, he gave me that right there. I
Speaker 5: was just like, man, you know, and we were partners too,
Speaker 5: and I was just like, damn, got me. He's like damn,
Speaker 5: you know. And then that's what you're doing.
Speaker 3: That what you lose how long?
Speaker 5: Man? That's when they this was the first compression shorts
Speaker 5: they made, the first compression shorts they made.
Speaker 6: Damn.
Speaker 5: It came below your kneecap. You used to have to
Speaker 5: pull him up, man, It wasn't it. It was just
Speaker 5: your balls falling out on the side of Yeah. Man,
Speaker 5: come on, you've seen them clips. You got to come funk.
Speaker 5: When he's on balls, it's falling all out on the
Speaker 5: side of your shorts and ship. That's how it was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they wear them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I forgot to ask us when we was talking about
Speaker 2: GP when what was there a moment that clicked when
Speaker 2: the lib ship came together?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Absolutely, Man.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 5: Boston Celtics playing out East.
Speaker 3: One year and you're his his rookie year, his second year.
Speaker 5: Second his second year. And Gary was like, uh, he said,
Speaker 5: for now, man, I don't give a funk if you
Speaker 5: run down corner. I'm just gonna start throwing this motherfucker
Speaker 5: because you bullshit, he said, So when I get the ball,
Speaker 5: look here, I'm just gonna throw the ship up to
Speaker 5: the realm. You just go go up there and get
Speaker 5: the ship. I don't get fucked. So it was like
Speaker 5: two or three places from Crock the ball. Just threw
Speaker 5: the ball up there, and I was like, let he said,
Speaker 5: go get.
Speaker 2: The mother fucking ball.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: You know he won't go jump up there. So then
Speaker 5: I was just like, man, should all right? All right?
Speaker 5: Come on. So we got to says this game we
Speaker 5: had particularly I think we had six lob duks, which
Speaker 5: is a lot we can running play. Then we started
Speaker 5: running the same play on the opposite side, and then
Speaker 5: he just started Then he just started just you know,
Speaker 5: running down court, just throwing the ship up anywhere and everywhere,
Speaker 5: and then the ship got fun. It was then it
Speaker 5: is really fun then at that point in time, man,
Speaker 5: cause the chemistry is there. Like I said, man, my
Speaker 5: mindset at that time.
Speaker 6: Is that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm coming from an area of el Current, Indiana,
Speaker 5: and you have no room not take sel. You can't.
Speaker 5: When you come from areas them country areas like some
Speaker 5: of us come from, there is no turning back. There
Speaker 5: is there is there's none of that. It's about figuring
Speaker 5: this shit out right. And that's how it was. Now
Speaker 5: these days, these kids got a lot of bigger, much
Speaker 5: opportunity because they're trained better. They got multiple early on
Speaker 5: where they teams and AAU and stuff. But back then
Speaker 5: is when you really had to put this work in
Speaker 5: because you didn't have all of these opportunities at hand
Speaker 5: in front of.
Speaker 6: You like that.
Speaker 3: What was it like when you guys were at the
Speaker 3: top of your game, U and G.
Speaker 5: It was great. We was rockstar as well, basically traveling
Speaker 5: around and I tell you all this, man, The best
Speaker 5: thing about that is this is that being able to
Speaker 5: go to anybody's gym and match their energy and beat
Speaker 5: them knowing that you're going to win. Uh means everything,
Speaker 5: you know. With myself and Gary, I was the ball.
Speaker 5: I was on the ball, pressure on the ball up
Speaker 5: the court. He was behind me for he could get
Speaker 5: the stills. If he got the steals, then I was
Speaker 5: already on their place for these lobb dark. So we
Speaker 5: that's kind of we was kind of absolutely was playing
Speaker 5: cat mouse and just pressure and using our energy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Like I said, at the time, we wasn't the greatest
Speaker 5: shooters at the time.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: That really took a lot of time man for us
Speaker 5: to get our shot and ship together. Coach Greg would
Speaker 5: We basically would go shoot every night, brou That's how
Speaker 5: much it meant to us. We went shot every night.
Speaker 5: We we did all all the little ship that the
Speaker 5: player gotta do to make himself better.
Speaker 2: Can I get you a little shot? Yeah, sir, I
Speaker 2: love your storyteller. I just wanted ship to go on
Speaker 2: for the whole night. Where's your cup at, bro? You
Speaker 2: need to get out the bottles going on our new cut.
Speaker 2: Here's the more cup fright here. We appreciate your time, Bro.
Speaker 2: This is dope gg gg.
Speaker 6: While my cups got out.
Speaker 5: Greg was the he was the first coach man to
Speaker 5: be able to uh relate to the person.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: The relate. A coach's relationship has got to be strong
Speaker 5: with you and your work ethic. You work your workhouse,
Speaker 5: you feel what I'm saying. Different Gerdy was different man.
Speaker 5: So he would actually study your game and then tell
Speaker 5: you what you need to work on, you know, and
Speaker 5: that looks absolutely Yeah. So basically giving you options, man,
Speaker 5: instead of like doing this, If you do this, you
Speaker 5: got you go left or right, staying more in the
Speaker 5: middle of the court. You got more options, y'all. Keep
Speaker 5: going baseline, you're killing yourself. So it was just all
Speaker 5: like a lot of little things, man, shooting the ball
Speaker 5: with a little art, shoot what your left hand shoot
Speaker 5: the ball, same way with your right hand. Just basically
Speaker 5: all fundamental of stuff man, Just capitalizing off the things
Speaker 5: you can do. Strip wise. Yeah, he first assistant coach,
Speaker 5: you making a million dollars in NBA. First assistant coach
Speaker 5: you making a million dollars. So he was he was
Speaker 5: definitely well worked.
Speaker 7: It a.
Speaker 6: You goodes me.
Speaker 5: The long day.
Speaker 4: Come on, let's finish strong, Jesse. You got this all
Speaker 4: for what you got this? I'm showing this tour. Sure, Okay,
Speaker 4: that's all. I ain't coming up nothing. I'm just showing
Speaker 4: all smoke toys.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Someone someone said, you chet about yourself and and still
Speaker 2: some ketchup on yourself.
Speaker 6: No I didn't.
Speaker 4: I just I'm just I'm just discovering that a catfish
Speaker 4: is too good. Go ahead, give me your five, you know,
Speaker 4: your list of your five most.
Speaker 6: Ferocious dunkers of all time.
Speaker 5: Man, I Daryl Dawkins. I try to say it wrong.
Speaker 5: Daryl Dawkins. People forget about chocolate.
Speaker 6: Chocolate can't here.
Speaker 5: He was naming and dunk. He was dunking the breaking
Speaker 5: back boys, breaking back boys, and you never really heard
Speaker 5: about it, but.
Speaker 6: Dryl Dawkins, doctor Duncanstein.
Speaker 5: Doctor Duncan Starn or Terrence Stansbury. A lot of these
Speaker 5: old guys. These are the guys I used to watch
Speaker 5: Dunk and the Basketball. David Thompson. David Thompson was one
Speaker 5: of the baddest, coldest donkeys ever. He was glad from
Speaker 5: the freak dunk in the sideways, dun two balls at
Speaker 5: one time. Come on, man, absolutely, absolutely absolutely, you know
Speaker 5: you know I realized that I could jump in high
Speaker 5: school when I could touch the top of the backboard.
Speaker 6: It was yeah.
Speaker 5: Once I could do that off a vertical leap, and
Speaker 5: my coach would have this drill where I would have
Speaker 5: to do a drop step, touch the backboard, top the
Speaker 5: top of the back board, run on the other post
Speaker 5: to drop step, touch the top of the backboard again.
Speaker 5: So you have to do this consecutive times, man. And
Speaker 5: like I said, it was just it was great. It
Speaker 5: just made me stronger. Absolutely, did you did you get it?
Speaker 6: Uh huh?
Speaker 3: Besides itself, you're there.
Speaker 5: Oh and I'm gonna say, uh, Shack, No, I mean
Speaker 5: Shack is you know shock Shack is a different beast.
Speaker 6: Dominique.
Speaker 5: But Dominique wilkins Man, Domini Dominique wilkins if you if
Speaker 5: you watch me dunk, you gotta you gotta see a
Speaker 5: little Dominique and sign me. I was one of them
Speaker 5: young kids that was watching the TVs who were.
Speaker 6: Doing yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Hawks man. We said it was like Dominque Wilke show.
Speaker 5: You know, domald Ship, Dominice got that ass curled up
Speaker 5: in his head. Let's go watch Dominique Wilkins Man. And
Speaker 5: so absolutely Dominicu Wilkins But.
Speaker 3: I got a chance to play against him though, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: how cold was he?
Speaker 5: Man, he was a cold and I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 5: all this man, Dominique was so cold when he towards Achilles.
Speaker 5: He still came back dropping fifties and forties on people.
Speaker 5: People forget that he was still he was like thirty four,
Speaker 5: thirty five years old. He still came back. Dominique Wilkins
Speaker 5: was still dropping thirties and forties on people, fifties on people.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it was just a crying of shame. But a
Speaker 5: guy like Dominic didn't get a chance to play for
Speaker 5: a great team at the interview, Yeah, I always feel
Speaker 5: like those guys like Dominic should They should always give
Speaker 5: him at least one chance to play for a veteran team.
Speaker 6: Pigeon toe where you're weaing?
Speaker 4: A lot of players walk around fake, fake being pigeon
Speaker 4: toed because you yeah, that's.
Speaker 5: What they.
Speaker 3: Ship.
Speaker 4: That's funny as hell. Man, I used to walk like that.
Speaker 4: Have to call de Shaun can't walk? Why do you
Speaker 4: Why did you leave Nike for reebok.
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: Michael Michael and Charles Man had in the contract. Couldn't
Speaker 5: I could make more money than they could. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 5: you a no one or you just know okay, okay,
Speaker 5: he wasn't gonna get and chuck at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 5: what just wasn't gonna happen. Man, So I looked at
Speaker 5: Rebok as a there's a way to get back to
Speaker 5: the hood. Get back in the hood, man, Yeah, you
Speaker 5: always I'm always my bad.
Speaker 2: I don't Did you get what you deserved financially with Rebund?
Speaker 5: I think so? Absolutely, I think so.
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 5: I think so, And I would still work with Reebok.
Speaker 5: But man, right now, right now, I'm trying to develop
Speaker 5: all shoes coming. I will do some shoes with some
Speaker 5: hip made out of him.
Speaker 6: Interesting is a legendary.
Speaker 5: Though, no, no doubt about it. But now you're gonna
Speaker 5: always be legendary without a doubt. Man. We still they
Speaker 5: still selling them.
Speaker 3: We'll rock you, We'll rock them. Yeah, let us know,
Speaker 3: make some fourteens were in there.
Speaker 5: That's a bet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Train to do the Cavs in ninety seven, make the
Speaker 2: All Star Game, Uh, playoffs, first year in Cleveland.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Then the lockout happens. Yeah, you show up the training
Speaker 2: camp overweight, and what happens?
Speaker 5: Hey, man, hey, you back then, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 5: back then, you didn't you didn't take the chance of
Speaker 5: hurting nobody on a big contracts. Man, if you heard
Speaker 5: get hurt during that lockout, that's on you. You know,
Speaker 5: was there things I probably could have did have gotten
Speaker 5: better shape? Absolutely absolutely it was. Was I mad about
Speaker 5: gaining weight, not at all, Not at all.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: I'm playing for a young team in Cleveland. First year
Speaker 5: I was in Cleveland, Man, I realized I was gonna
Speaker 5: be gardened. I went from garden uh guys like Dennis Robin,
Speaker 5: Tony Kook coach. Now I'm guarding people like Patrick Ewing,
Speaker 5: every big center in the league. That little way helped
Speaker 5: me down there in Cleveland, Trust me, it did.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: That first year I was in Cleveland, Man, the boys
Speaker 5: kicked my ass on the Eastern Conference. You don't realize
Speaker 5: how physical it is until you get out there on
Speaker 5: different it's a lot different, man. So that wait, that wait, actually,
Speaker 5: but I played my best basketball with that weight on me.
Speaker 5: My problem, my problem in Cleveland is I could get
Speaker 5: no veterans there. I can I you know, I played
Speaker 5: with ten rookies. Well we still made it to the
Speaker 5: second round.
Speaker 6: M so was on that team.
Speaker 5: I had uh Wesley person Bobby Sora, you know, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know sometimes he casts, Brandon Brandon Knight, now Chris
Speaker 5: went he had left. He left with the trade when
Speaker 5: I got when I came in, and uh yeah, just
Speaker 5: we had ten rookies and three ve three veterans.
Speaker 6: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: How was your time in Portland? She Bonzie pip ze
Speaker 2: Bo uh the nickname the jail Blazer. Yeah, what was
Speaker 2: that time like with that team?
Speaker 5: Man? Man, we had some fun. I loved them casting
Speaker 5: Bonzie Rashid, Like I said, Scottie Man, the whole team,
Speaker 5: even Steve Kerr was on team. We love all them cats.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: You know, our only problem in Portland was it La
Speaker 5: was a young Kobe and a young Shaq, and you know,
Speaker 5: and at the time Kobe and Shaq was competing against
Speaker 5: each other and it wasn't losing. It's just the truth
Speaker 5: of it. It was playing some serious basketball. If it
Speaker 5: wasn't for that, we probably won the championship one of
Speaker 5: those years.
Speaker 4: I got a question when you when you was in Portland,
Speaker 4: do you remember, yeah, playing San Antonio and all y'all
Speaker 4: showing up in my house.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the whole I talked to Bondis like we're gonna
Speaker 5: pull up.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking she.
Speaker 5: Pulled up that's that's how we used to roam bro
Speaker 5: That's what they used to.
Speaker 6: And then what we got it in.
Speaker 5: We had a great time. Absolutely, that's what it used
Speaker 5: to call it. We used to roll the whole squad.
Speaker 5: We roll together.
Speaker 6: The whole team came to that's team was are we
Speaker 6: believe the same way?
Speaker 3: Well, d all my brothers burning it down?
Speaker 5: Yeah. Man, That's how the old league was. It wasn't
Speaker 5: as as you see these young guys today. They little
Speaker 5: stand offish kind of do their own things. That's let
Speaker 5: you know that. That money then came into play and
Speaker 5: everybody got their own ways of doing thing. But the
Speaker 5: way the old NBA was was guys that was unified.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: Everybody had money too, but everybody had money and everybody
Speaker 5: was everybody was unique. But they definitely stayed together and communicated.
Speaker 2: You know, you had some issues with speaking of money, money,
Speaker 2: what was what was it like when you were coming up?
Speaker 2: Was there any kind of guidance once you got that
Speaker 2: money or they had the NBA have any kind of
Speaker 2: guidance once you because obviously we all came from nothing
Speaker 2: into all that. Was there any kind of guidance coming
Speaker 2: up for you in that process? You kind of just
Speaker 2: trialing there.
Speaker 5: Man. No, man, it was just family, you know, family,
Speaker 5: I think what my family have always always looked out
Speaker 5: for me and them them them regards. But absolutely, man,
Speaker 5: with that money, when you're making that much money, you
Speaker 5: got to be on top of it, you know. And
Speaker 5: if you're not on top of it, you better have
Speaker 5: a hell of a game plan to get back on top, right.
Speaker 5: And you know, and I always tell people this, man,
Speaker 5: it's great to play in NBA, and it's great to
Speaker 5: make that money playing basketball, but when you're done playing basketball,
Speaker 5: you better have a game plan together to be able
Speaker 5: to help you out financially. With myself, I'm still living
Speaker 5: off the money that I played played, So I feel fortunate,
Speaker 5: you know, I feel very fortunate, and you know, and
Speaker 5: obviously I'm still making more money on the side, but yeah,
Speaker 5: I feel fortunate to still be in that position to
Speaker 5: live off the money that I still played what years ago,
Speaker 5: I played basketball since two thousand and three, I believe.
Speaker 2: So when you hear that after this next collecting bargain
Speaker 2: to given the max contract, players are gonna be making
Speaker 2: eighty ninety million per year, what.
Speaker 3: Comes to mind? What could you have done in this era.
Speaker 5: I mean, I take congratulations to these guys, but I
Speaker 5: think this is me saying is that these young men
Speaker 5: need to really be able to look at themselves and
Speaker 5: and and and handle their business professional wise with this money.
Speaker 5: When I came into the NBA, I'll say this, when
Speaker 5: when I came into the NBA years ago, in nineteen
Speaker 5: eighty nine, nineteen ninety Magic Johnson was probably the highest
Speaker 5: paid person in the NBA, and he was probably just
Speaker 5: making three or four million dollars. You understand, three or
Speaker 5: four million at the time.
Speaker 6: I believe.
Speaker 5: Around nineteen around ninety nine, ninety nine, two thousand is
Speaker 5: when the first hundred million dollar contract came in. And
Speaker 5: I want to I want to say it was either
Speaker 5: Larry Johnson or Kevin Garnett. You know, so that hasn't
Speaker 5: been that long. When these contracts have been really big,
Speaker 5: I had no idea that they were going to expand
Speaker 5: to where they have expanded to today. Right, So you know,
Speaker 5: with these with these now comes a great deal of responsibility.
Speaker 5: With these young guys making this funny, you know, it
Speaker 5: was a responsibility for us to do that. But now
Speaker 5: with these guys making thirty, forty fifty, I mean, Lebron
Speaker 5: probably make fifty something sixty million dollars a year this year.
Speaker 5: I mean, Colon man, that's it's a lot of money.
Speaker 5: And uh, now I'm happy for these young guys. But
Speaker 5: as yet I will say is that's a big responsibility.
Speaker 5: Uh basketball is not the only thing that they need
Speaker 5: to focus on. They need to focus on their money off.
Speaker 4: So cannabis, let's talk about cannabis plus, Like, we all
Speaker 4: feel like we had a hand in cannabis being legal
Speaker 4: for players. Now, what does cannabis mean to you and
Speaker 4: what was the stigma of cannabis when you was in
Speaker 4: the league.
Speaker 5: Well, the stigma in cannabis is that they was treating
Speaker 5: it like heroin. Yeah, absolutely, and they made you and
Speaker 5: if you got caught with it, they made you feel
Speaker 5: like you was actually a horrible person, you know, the
Speaker 5: most worst person in the world. I mean, was use
Speaker 5: a piece of shit. I mean seriously. So it's great
Speaker 5: to see that they've uplifted some of these laws with
Speaker 5: the cannabis. I wouldn't have cared about smoking the weed,
Speaker 5: but I just think with the lotions and the creams
Speaker 5: that right there would have let me play at least
Speaker 5: another three or four years along, just if I could
Speaker 5: have used the lotions. Yeah, even the teachers. Absolutely, So,
Speaker 5: I think these guys got a great chance right now
Speaker 5: to be able to have their bodies recover regardless if
Speaker 5: they use cannabis, if they use something else. But if
Speaker 5: they are, they just got to make sure that they're
Speaker 5: using the right thing, whether they smoking it or using
Speaker 5: teachers or whatever. There's so many avenues of using cannabis
Speaker 5: these days, you know. So they're having Heller's, they you
Speaker 5: name it. So there's so many avenues of using these
Speaker 5: things nowadays that these guys got a big opportunity to
Speaker 5: be able to make their bodies recover fast.
Speaker 4: It shouldn't be what they called it when they're not
Speaker 4: playing low management all it was weed. Now you shouldn't
Speaker 4: be low man. Yeah there flying like a kite.
Speaker 3: Did you smoke while you played?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: So what would you do the past? The drug test
Speaker 2: at my house when we were playing, So what would
Speaker 2: you so? What would you do the past test?
Speaker 5: You don't have to pass the test once a year?
Speaker 3: So yeah, what was what was your last? What was
Speaker 3: your last?
Speaker 5: Two thousand and three?
Speaker 3: So I want to say, was it five?
Speaker 2: When it changed? It used to go from one because
Speaker 2: I came into three. It was one random until like five,
Speaker 2: and then it was four. It was excuse me, not
Speaker 2: one one preseason test because we'd all be rolled up
Speaker 2: in the car waiting for it to get that So
Speaker 2: you never had the four.
Speaker 6: Two thousand and three was going down down.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, did you take one test and you was good?
Speaker 3: What were you talking about?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean before that it was no test. I
Speaker 5: mean that that didn't that didn't pop off until ninety nine.
Speaker 3: That's when I started.
Speaker 5: That's when I started. Yeah, ninety nine. Yeah, before then,
Speaker 5: they didn't even test for weed. Right after that lockout. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was after that lockout, after Berkeley slept ship out
Speaker 5: Oakley sp.
Speaker 7: There.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all kind of told us about it.
Speaker 5: No, man, that was I mean ship it was a
Speaker 5: big players meeting. Man, I you know, it happens fast, man.
Speaker 5: You know, Okay, my boy, man, that's that's my dog,
Speaker 5: no doubt. He is definitely the big homie. He's one
Speaker 5: you're not gonna talk and mouth off to know they happened. Man,
Speaker 5: he's that ship out child Stocktor snaps. You have one
Speaker 5: of the biggest dispersements in Seattle.
Speaker 6: Three. Excuse me, kimp cannabis.
Speaker 5: Yeah, kept cannabis were doing it, bro.
Speaker 6: It is succeeding. Succeeding in the cannabis space isn't easy.
Speaker 6: What do you feel like you've done? Correct?
Speaker 5: Man? I think just reach out to the community. Be
Speaker 5: a part of the community. First of all, is what
Speaker 5: you have. That's who's supporting you. That's who supports you. Say,
Speaker 5: you gotta you gotta, you gotta reach out to the community.
Speaker 5: You gotta be there for him. You gotta respect them,
Speaker 5: you gotta develop a relationship with them, and uh, you
Speaker 5: gotta have some fire obviously.
Speaker 4: So you also got to let them know that you
Speaker 4: ain't playing because when you steal my ship, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: pull up and let off a couple of shots.
Speaker 6: Yeah that too, that too, Yeah, that too, that too,
Speaker 6: that too. Mind the motherfucker heartbeat.
Speaker 3: You figured out a side?
Speaker 6: Yeah that too? Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: Quick hitters man, first team to come to mind and
Speaker 3: let you let us know.
Speaker 6: We dunk contests, including yourself U plus four dunckers.
Speaker 5: Man, you know, I would love to love to see
Speaker 5: Vince Carter it one. Dwight Howard. Definitely, I got a
Speaker 5: lot of respect for doing Vin Dominique Wilkins, no doubt
Speaker 5: about it, bro. Yeah. And the reason I say that
Speaker 5: is because when we watch these dunk contests. Now, we
Speaker 5: watched them, but we're not feeling it. We're not feeling that.
Speaker 5: We're not feeling the thundery. We're not feeling that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's just been you know they we we finger tip Duncan. Now,
Speaker 5: let's just keep it real, man, we finger tip Duncan now.
Speaker 6: Dugging at dunk contest. I was dugging in the gang.
Speaker 6: I gotta stop it.
Speaker 5: Fingertip dunk. You don't feel that power? And I think yeah,
Speaker 5: with them guys, definitely. I think that's what the fans
Speaker 5: want to see when it comes to dunk. It's not
Speaker 5: so much in between the legs. It's not so much
Speaker 5: all fancy stuff. They actually want to feel that power.
Speaker 5: They want to see the explosiveness and you attacking the
Speaker 5: rim and trying to shatter the backboarders. They don't want
Speaker 5: to see all that cute shit. All these guys are
Speaker 5: getting so cute. They're cute and then they barely dunked about.
Speaker 5: They actually want to see. They want to see some
Speaker 5: thunder man motherfucker down, absolutely man. And I think That's
Speaker 5: what people had so much respect from my game as
Speaker 5: being that I played with that aggressiveness, you know, and
Speaker 5: being able to do this aggressive moves and these aggressive dunks.
Speaker 5: Not just in the first quarter you're doing but you're
Speaker 5: doing it in the fourth quarter. You're doing it in
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter with two minutes to go. When you're
Speaker 5: able to consistently do those things, then there's going to
Speaker 5: be attraction.
Speaker 6: To you game.
Speaker 2: You spoke on Dwhite Howard, and you respect this game.
Speaker 2: I got a chance to play with him. He was
Speaker 2: absolutely incredible. Bad situation coming with the Lakers with the
Speaker 2: hurt back. But what impressed you about Dwhite?
Speaker 5: Well, I watched Dwhite Howard for years, and I was
Speaker 5: always amazed how agile he was to be able to
Speaker 5: get from one in the court to the other end
Speaker 5: of court, to be able to control the rebound and
Speaker 5: be able to get a dunkey and at the other
Speaker 5: at the other end of the court. And your best
Speaker 5: big mens used to be able to get from A
Speaker 5: to B real quick. Nowadays you see your best big
Speaker 5: man's they slow and methodical. You know, you got your
Speaker 5: boy from Denver, he slow, you guy from Dallas. I mean, hey,
Speaker 5: Luka is a great player, but he's really slow with
Speaker 5: the basketball, man, really really slow. So you know, to
Speaker 5: see the white back then go from point A to
Speaker 5: point B man and be able to control the board,
Speaker 5: get the ball and dunk it so quickly. That was
Speaker 5: very impressive. Yeah, I was a press vise game.
Speaker 6: You have a childhood crush. Who's your childhood crush growing up? Man?
Speaker 5: My childhood crush? Well yeah, I mean you know, uh
Speaker 5: my childhood my childhood crush.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: We actually actually became good friends, man. But uh, Salt
Speaker 5: pepper Man, no doubt, man, Salt Peppering was always I
Speaker 5: always had a lot of respect for Salt pepper.
Speaker 6: Man, and as we all did.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and then we we gotta we got a
Speaker 5: chance to become friends when I was playing and stuff.
Speaker 5: So it was definitely without a doubt. I always thought
Speaker 5: the two sisters is good.
Speaker 3: One thing you wish you were better at.
Speaker 5: Man, Uh, one thing got be better at man. I
Speaker 5: take all of us all we we all want to
Speaker 5: be better fathers to our kids, you know, I tak
Speaker 5: it's a challenge for all of us always to be
Speaker 5: a better person in life.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: With myself, I think, uh I have a lot of
Speaker 5: respect for people. Therefore, you want to make these these
Speaker 5: changes to yourself. There not only yourself benefit, but the
Speaker 5: people around you benefit also. So just staying on top
Speaker 5: of your game, always remind yourself to stay on top
Speaker 5: of your game, be the best that you can be
Speaker 5: is a daily reminder from my self. And you know
Speaker 5: not to not to back down from any challenges, to
Speaker 5: face them on, work hard as you always have done,
Speaker 5: and uh and be successful.
Speaker 3: Love it. One album you can listen to with no skips?
Speaker 5: Oh man, I would have to say Wu Tang Clan,
Speaker 5: no doubt about it. Yeah yeah, thirty six Chambers and
Speaker 5: some of my boys right there. Man, you know, I
Speaker 5: look at them. We started off about the same time.
Speaker 5: We Yeah, our career started off about the same time.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we know each other as well. I actually met
Speaker 5: the Wu Tang in New York before they even came
Speaker 5: out with their album. Yeah so I and we still
Speaker 5: good friends to this day.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So my fiance is best friend with his wife.
Speaker 5: Okay, he's a man. Yeah yeah, absolutely guilty pleasure, guilty pleasure.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: Right now, I would probably say my golf.
Speaker 2: Game, golfing, Yeah, bring your clubs out golf gametet play
Speaker 2: my love.
Speaker 5: I man I play. I like to play two three
Speaker 5: times a week. But man, I tell you, I'll tell
Speaker 5: you right now. I hit the ball along and straight.
Speaker 5: But I got no short game. I ain't got the
Speaker 5: patience for this. Be ready to tear half that ship up,
Speaker 5: the balls all that ship. I'm like, I missed that
Speaker 5: little short lived the little plutts.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: It's like, come on, man, I got this ball.
Speaker 2: All the way down, so you stay sucking up a
Speaker 2: good drive.
Speaker 5: Man, I fuck it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sir, one guess you would like to see all
Speaker 4: the smoke, but you have to help us get your
Speaker 4: answer on the show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I think without a doubt. Man, you gotta
Speaker 5: have me and Gary Paytone over here to say yes, yes,
Speaker 5: we can do it in Seattle. Well, yeah we can
Speaker 5: do it. We can do it live.
Speaker 2: Don't play game, don't play games with us, bro, we
Speaker 2: can do this, man. We can do a live show
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 5: Yes, live show.
Speaker 3: We'll take care of everything.
Speaker 5: That's gonna be crazy. Hell yeah it, no doubt about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Catfish Corner, Yeah, Catfish Corner. Yeah, Fish Corner. They
Speaker 5: bring us some good corner brand and the green team
Speaker 5: pulling enough team. Oh my god, we've had everybody in
Speaker 5: the sun.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: But I really enjoyed this, sir. It's been a blessing.
Speaker 2: You're someone that don't really get out and talk too much.
Speaker 2: That's why to me, it was so important to just
Speaker 2: get out and talk to your ship.
Speaker 5: No, thank you, man, I appreciate you guys calling me Man.
Speaker 5: Proud of y'all too for what you're doing. Man, your
Speaker 5: game is strong in this business. Just keep doing what
Speaker 5: you're doing. There's always gonna be some some just keeping
Speaker 5: what you're doing.
Speaker 2: No vision, man, that's a wrap. The one and only
Speaker 2: Sean Kemp need to be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 6: So with bullshit.
Speaker 2: And you can catch this on all the Smoke Production
Speaker 2: YouTube and the DraftKings Network.
Speaker 3: Man, we'll see y'all next week.