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Speaker 1: page on Apple Podcasts. Hmmmm, welcome back All the Smoke

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Speaker 1: the La Run.

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Speaker 2: Jack's been a hell of a day, man, hell of

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Speaker 2: a day. He started with Reggie Bush, then we did

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Speaker 2: Nate Diz yep, and now, like I don't get too excited,

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Speaker 2: like I like appreciate and respect everybody that comes to

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Speaker 2: the show, but this one got me excited.

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Speaker 3: This one got an nounce out of bed. She's six

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Speaker 3: months pregnant.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't have too many big homies. Come on

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Speaker 4: off our big homies.

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Speaker 3: The one and only man.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Sean kemp Man oh Man, Thanks,

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Speaker 2: thank you, Thank you man. It's truly an honor. You know,

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Speaker 2: Jack and I both started hitting on the DM, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: one of us, He's going to respond to one of us.

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Speaker 2: Let's both keep pressing him. But just huge fan obviously,

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Speaker 2: fourteen year pro six time All Star, uh I was

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Speaker 2: talking about you the other day before I even knew

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Speaker 2: he was gonna come on the show, Like, you made

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Speaker 2: Dunkin look cool for big dudes, because it's hard for

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Speaker 2: big dudes look sweet like you was out there and

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Speaker 2: looking like a six ten guard. Someone called you a

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Speaker 2: six ten Vince Carter Alonzo morning called you a six

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Speaker 2: of course, yeah, talk about where that Just the veracity

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Speaker 2: and your athleticism and all that came.

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Speaker 5: From manly, just it comes from from early on. I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, playing ball in Indiana first of all, and

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Speaker 5: it is a good state to play basketball. But what

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Speaker 5: happens is when you're a big kid, when you grow

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Speaker 5: up and you're tall, generally you want to play and

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Speaker 5: you want to do other things and just run and

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Speaker 5: shoot hook shots and stuff. So my goal, my goal

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Speaker 5: growing up, man was kind of I want to do

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Speaker 5: kind of all the things that the little guys did.

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Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying, But I really couldn't. You know,

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Speaker 5: I grew up with leg braces on because I kind

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Speaker 5: of grew it was very very uncoordinated growing up a

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Speaker 5: lot of people don't know that almost goofy to the point.

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Speaker 5: And then you know, as I got towards junior high

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Speaker 5: and high school. My coordination kind of caught up to it.

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Speaker 5: And you know, hard work pays off, man. You know, seriously,

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Speaker 5: when I tell you guys this, I mean that as

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Speaker 5: one of those kids who just dream, come from the ghetto,

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Speaker 5: come from nothing, and just dream. You know, my mom

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Speaker 5: everything that I that I came up with was had

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Speaker 5: to be earned and had to be you had to

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Speaker 5: go out there and work on those skills.

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Speaker 6: Man. So it was.

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Speaker 5: About learning how to dribble the basketball left hand right, hen,

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Speaker 5: being able to shoot the ball left hand right, hen,

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Speaker 5: being able to do everything. And then when you grow up, man,

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Speaker 5: and you start to realize you got some athleticsism and

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: You know, I was already playing against some NBA players

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Speaker 5: when I was in ninth grade, eighth and ninth grade,

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Speaker 5: you know. So I kind of knew that my talent,

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: So my high school coach would bring me into the

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Speaker 5: morning for me to work on big man drills, footwork drills,

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Speaker 5: dribble the ball left hand right.

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Speaker 3: How tall were you in high school? So freshman year

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Speaker 2: How much did you grow then?

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Speaker 5: I started off high school as a freshman man. I

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Speaker 5: So you know, uh, the talent was out there. You

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: Two of the best guys that I grew up playing

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Speaker 5: Chris Jackson say, we're all the same age with them

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Speaker 6: Man Moved.

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Speaker 5: Mike Move was a real good player, you know, he

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Speaker 4: A lot of you appears from the nineties in the

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, Miss Richmond, Grant Hill, Chris Webber, Tim

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Speaker 4: Hardaway all in the Hall of Fame? Is it time

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Speaker 5: But I think so. You know, I've always said that,

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Speaker 5: I'm a six time All Starry So that's you know,

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Speaker 5: those six times, those six games that I started. You

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Speaker 5: know who I had to beat out? You know, that

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Speaker 5: was Charles, That's Karl Malone. That's every year. Yeah, so

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Speaker 5: that's pretty consistent basketball.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: I will say this sough me going through some problems

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Speaker 5: hurts you at the end. But I think when you

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Speaker 5: look at the good side of it and you compare

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Speaker 5: the numbers and stuff, I'm right there with some of

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Speaker 5: the best ones. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Would you mind opening up and sharing and talking about

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Speaker 2: them problems. We don't have to if you don't want to.

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Speaker 5: But well, I'm not afraid to talk about it. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 5: I think when anytime that you you go your body

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Speaker 5: like that is always going to be highlighted. You know

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So I understand those you have those

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Speaker 5: I think it should definitely be highlighted, without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: I came from two parents that were functioning drug addicts.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in it, seen it, dad sold it.

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Speaker 2: Were there are times where you were out there at

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Speaker 5: No, not necessarily on drugs, I believe. I believe when

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Speaker 5: lot of time, man, a lot of effort, right, And

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Speaker 5: I don't think what people realize. I don't and I

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Speaker 5: It wasn't a weak mass for only the strong chavaz right.

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Speaker 5: And you know, as you want to compete at those

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Speaker 6: Change, you know. So you know.

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Speaker 5: The one thing and I tell you, guys, just the

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Speaker 5: one thing that I kind of regret about back then

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Speaker 5: is that I'll say this is that you know, playing

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Speaker 5: camaradi where we won so many games, winning fifty sixty

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Speaker 5: at things far as it's financial, sometimes you put that

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: I tell Gary this all the time. If I could

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Speaker 5: both of us would probably work on being with each other,

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Speaker 6: Than what we did.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, What's the Story out? So I did voiceovers for

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Speaker 2: this show called What's Real Stories of Basketball? And it

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Speaker 2: So I did the voiceover for that, and I didn't

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Speaker 2: obviously I was younger when that happened, so I didn't realize, like.

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Speaker 3: Damn, why would he leave?

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Speaker 2: But I read how you know they came in four

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Speaker 2: This dude led the team every in rebounds, scoring, to

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Speaker 2: more than Sean So that you at the time, right,

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Speaker 5: But I think you know, to me, it wasn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: It's more about the respect, right, come on, man? Like it,

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Speaker 5: It takes a great effort, absolutely the best every day,

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Speaker 5: young man you're going through that, you probably take it personally,

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Speaker 5: YEA in life and in business, one of the things

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Speaker 2: But I assume, with all due respect, it's hard not

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Speaker 3: That wasn't what I got from. What it was was

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Speaker 3: it was the respect factor. But you would.

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Speaker 2: Accomplish with that team you deserved more than what you were.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that's I think that's what you do

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Speaker 5: just like, hey, what do I need to do to

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Speaker 5: do to become one of the highest paid you know?

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Speaker 5: And I can remember the conversation the general manager. The

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Speaker 5: if you if you want to be the one of

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Speaker 5: out there. I played Michael Jordan and I was like, okay, well, well,

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Speaker 5: One off it sounds Patrick. We actually grew up playing

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Speaker 2: Did you ever come up here and play in the

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? So basically I was actually when I was at

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Speaker 5: This would have been nineteen eighty eight, This would have

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah. Magic was the king of the courts at

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Speaker 6: You know you can't argue with its true, you know

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Speaker 5: He can't argue with Magic.

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Speaker 6: So he was doing was he was.

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Speaker 3: Man, he was doing that. Ten years later, ninety eight,

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Speaker 2: We had a show with him, a live show with him,

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean as I as I came into the

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Speaker 5: Scott Scouts is a bad boy man, different dude.

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Speaker 5: He get under eat your skill.

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Speaker 6: He got up under mine where I stayed home.

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Speaker 6: Like that.

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Speaker 5: I don't know about that. I don't know about that.

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Speaker 5: Is that crazy at what? Man? Yeah, I'm gonna keep

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Speaker 5: I bullshit you not, So if you don't. There's a

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Speaker 5: He was on the radio. He was on the radio.

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Speaker 5: well what he's like, you ain't got no agent? And

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00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 5: I was like, man, He's like he was like that,

439
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 5: let me be your agent. Man, you go you gonna

440
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 5: go hardship tomorrow. And then I was like, man, you

441
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 5: taking him ready?

442
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 6: Shit?

443
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 5: I didn't know if I was ready then, But by

444
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 5: the time I got back to Trinity Valley, I knew

445
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 5: my ass was ready. He just told me that, and

446
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 5: that's when I started making these inquiring phone calls.

447
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 3: Man.

448
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 5: You know, at the time eighteen, I still needed my

449
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 5: mom's signature to kind of get me into the league.

450
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 5: At the time, they was doing it like that. So yeah, man,

451
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 5: that's that's really where it started off at bro. Yeah,

452
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 5: it was like I was like, Okay, don't want me

453
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 5: to practice with him, and I played with Delft and

454
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 5: Sam and we never talked about that because they knew

455
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 5: I was in the ass.

456
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 7: That's crazy, bro, Absolutely, Yeah.

457
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 6: You went to the league seventeenth pick. He was a

458
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 6: mentor by Xavier McDaniel.

459
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 5: X Man, how was that, man, the best, best, best

460
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 5: when the best thing that happened to me is getting

461
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 5: drafted by Seattle. Seriously, you know, and uh Sean Kellri

462
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 5: sives a lot of praise, but the truth of it

463
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 5: is this, man, I got drafted by Seattle. They had

464
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 5: some dogs on their team. Man, they had their x

465
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 5: Man Dale Ellis. You know, they had Nate McMillan, they

466
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,719
Speaker 5: had Derrick McKee, Olden Polonies. Yeah, man, they had they

467
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 5: had they had a whole They have some good ass ballers.

468
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 5: Bro it was all about the same size. So you know,

469
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 5: these guys tried to kick my ass at first, but

470
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 5: we battled, ended up having a brotherhood and they end

471
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 5: up teaching me. It was so you know at the time, man,

472
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 5: let me I tell you this. At the time, you know,

473
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 5: shit has changed in the NBA at the time that

474
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 5: I came into the n b A, I was the

475
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 5: first of these guys that come in. They didn't believe

476
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 5: shit that you said. They didn't believe anything anything that

477
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 5: you told them. They didn't really want to believe. You

478
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 5: had to show them. Motherfuckers didn't believe you. Read they

479
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 5: here's a piece of packer. Read this. I started, what

480
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 5: you feel what I'm saying? And then, uh, I mean

481
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 5: some of the teams was crazy, man, some of the

482
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 5: there's one team motherfuckers put me in the gym with

483
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 5: one of their best seven foots and uh, I guess

484
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 5: they thought he was gonna timidate me and should they was?

485
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 5: I guess they was skinny. He go, we won't put

486
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 5: him in there with this seven two ugly motherfucker. He

487
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 5: gonna timidate he We gonna run his ass back to college. Well,

488
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 5: we got he got a little physical, he got a

489
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 5: little physical up in there. Yeah, yeah, and uh and

490
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 5: they seven two center was bleeding all out the mouth

491
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 5: of those and ship by the time we got there playing,

492
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 5: they had to come in there and stop that their workout.

493
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 5: They had to stop the workout. So I had him Lincoln.

494
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 5: So that was yeah, man, I'm a I'm you know,

495
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 5: I I shouldn't even say this. It was the Phoenix

496
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 5: Suns at the time. Man, But they put me in

497
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 5: the gym with this big ass, monky ass and then

498
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 5: they expected my fucking not to come out. They thought

499
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna come out to gym. Put him through

500
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 5: these drills. I could tell they was like rough his

501
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 5: his ass up. So I was like, lookude, you keep

502
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 5: ruffing me up a fucking old ass up in this gym.

503
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 5: That's exactly what happened, you, exactly what happened. So at

504
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 5: the time, you know, at the time of coming into

505
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 5: the league, at that time, brou there was no background. Man.

506
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 5: I mean, I said, it was child to be it's

507
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 5: what they was doing. So but I definitely needed I

508
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 5: benefit off the practice of it. So I was going

509
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 5: two hours in the morning, two hours at lunchtime, two

510
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 5: hours in the evening, two hours later. May that's how

511
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 5: much footwork and drilling that I needed.

512
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 6: Does the name Andrew Lang sound for me?

513
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, Oh my god. Yeah, a lot of

514
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 5: a lot of drilling, man and I needed at the time.

515
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 7: Bro.

516
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 6: But I think.

517
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 5: Greg wasn't there already. Greg was at un l V

518
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 5: me and had a great me and had a great relationship.

519
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 5: You know, while I was in high school. You know,

520
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 5: un l V was a school that I really wanted

521
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 5: to go to, but it was too far away from home. Okay, yeah,

522
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 5: it was just too far away. Yeah, me and ger

523
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 5: go back. I met gerg and Tark at e l V.

524
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

525
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 5: Man, they was, they was. They was very good friends

526
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 5: of mine. Used to help me out, used to look

527
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 5: out for me and give me words of you know,

528
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 5: confident wisdom. Also with the players man at the time,

529
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 5: Greg Anthony, guys of that sort. So you know, I

530
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 5: benefit off talking to these guys.

531
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 4: Early on, X Man told a story on Tim Thomas

532
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 4: The School Beast podcast about Library talking ship to you saying, yeah,

533
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 4: I'm the best motherfucker man.

534
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 6: Dianna put it three into my balls. That's true.

535
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 5: It is very true. You know Larry hey Man, he

536
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 5: first of all, we got to Boston and like he

537
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 5: had this, he has some, he has some me pay

538
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 5: and I was like for you to come over with me.

539
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 5: I ain't going tonight.

540
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 6: You got.

541
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: Exactly. I look at the boy, I'm like, so you know,

542
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 5: I look at the mirror. I'm like, well, ship, this

543
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 5: mother fucking fits out here in the work. So I

544
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 5: was before the game. I was over there rubbing my

545
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 5: hands looking at him. I'm about to get your ass.

546
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 6: What year was this for you?

547
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 5: This was my first year?

548
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: Okay?

549
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 5: And that day they came out with that morning, they

550
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 5: came out with a USA USA Today article and they

551
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 5: said that Larry didn't have it no more. So he

552
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 5: came out that night to make a statement and I

553
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 5: was just the prime candidate. Yeah, before the game he

554
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 5: told me, he was like he just shook his head

555
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 5: and he said, man, it's gonna be a fucked up

556
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 5: night for you.

557
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 6: So what do you put up?

558
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 5: I think he gave me what he gave me. I

559
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 5: think he gave me forty forty six three?

560
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 6: What did you do?

561
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 5: But I end up found out, But I was on

562
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 5: his mask. I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna tell

563
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 5: you this way. I was on it. He was actually

564
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 5: calling out bank shots. He would say, next time bank

565
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 5: shot left side, I'm ana pump fake you your dumb

566
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 5: ask you gonna go for it. He would tell you that,

567
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 5: And it happened, and I said, I said, first of all,

568
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be so close to if you if you

569
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 5: shoot the ball. Next said, I wanna try to rip

570
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 5: your fucking arm off your shide what you take he did? Man,

571
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 5: I clicked perfect dogg and you know for that ship

572
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 5: here at you man, come on? Many was how cold?

573
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 5: I don't think when I guarded his ass so tough.

574
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 5: I guarded his ass so tough that after the game

575
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 5: he came he sent the little letter over there to me.

576
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 5: He was like, he was like, I've had nobody play

577
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 5: defense that hard on me. I appreciate you playing out

578
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 5: here that. He was like, I got a little All

579
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 5: Star game. Whytn't you come work out women? Come to

580
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 5: the All Star game? Man, let me see that summer.

581
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 5: I was like ship that met everything to you guys,

582
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 5: became a friend absolutely. So it went from him whooping

583
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 5: my ass to him teaching me a few things. I

584
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 5: surely appreciate that. And that's that's the old NBA. That's

585
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 5: how I used to supposed to be. That's how it

586
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 5: used to be.

587
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 7: Man.

588
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 5: That's why I think in the league the league suffers

589
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 5: there because they don't have enough veterans. You gotta have

590
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 5: two or three veterans on the bitch. They should they

591
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 5: should have had in the in the bargaining contract. Always

592
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 5: keep a couple of vets the bitch at least times

593
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 5: called words of wisdom. Words of wisdom to them on

594
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 5: the court.

595
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: Bridge the gap between the coaches, keep them out the

596
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: pitfalls of the court. Like we've been saying this ship

597
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,239
Speaker 2: for the five years we've been on this show. We've

598
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: been saying it.

599
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 5: But I played with a guy man years ago.

600
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 6: Man, it's.

601
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 5: I think he taught Michael Jordan how to play. It

602
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 5: was Quentin Daily, you know. I think he was the

603
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 5: one that kind of helped Michael Jordan, you know, balance

604
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 5: his offensive game when they was in Chicago. When I

605
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 5: played with Quentin Daily in Seattle, and Quintin Daly was

606
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 5: a beast man.

607
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 7: You know.

608
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 5: He used to say little things to me, you know,

609
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 5: instead of shooting the ball, get to the pay put

610
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 5: a body on him. And what was work on your

611
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 5: mid rage game? All that little shit?

612
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: You know?

613
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 5: You know nowadays they just running down shooting threes, finger

614
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 5: over it. You know, the old school game. It used

615
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 5: to be working that spot, getting into that mid rage,

616
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 5: getting them solid jump shots off, shooting a high percentage.

617
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 5: Now they just you know, if you shoot thirty percent,

618
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 5: that's great.

619
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: How long did it take you to develop that mid range?

620
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 5: It took me, man, It took mean for about three

621
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 5: four years, you know, three three four years. Yeah, I'm

622
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 5: should I tell y'all, man, Man me Gary played. I

623
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 5: played my first year by myself. Gary came in the

624
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 5: second year. Uh, we was bawling, dunking, running on everybody.

625
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 5: You see the highlights. And then my mother was like,

626
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 5: fun that we're gonna start sagging off to go otherfuckers.

627
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 5: We ain't gonna go for all that ship. So then,

628
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 5: uh we started struggling. Me and Gary both were struggling.

629
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 5: He couldn't get them layoups. I couldn't get the dunks.

630
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 5: The teams was playing against us, so we you know, uh,

631
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 5: the signing starting to trade both of us really is

632
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 5: what happened.

633
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: Many they've been three year three.

634
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 5: Right after Casey Jones left Seattle. They was they were

635
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 5: streighting to trade by me and Gary Damn.

636
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 6: Yeah.

637
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 5: So that summer when we had that, we went up.

638
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 5: We was like, well, ship, well if they we ain't

639
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 5: gonna we ain't gonna go out unless it's a fight.

640
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 5: We're gonna were about to show they as something this year.

641
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 5: So we went the whole summer and that's kind of

642
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 5: when we started working out in Vegas with Gerd working

643
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 5: on our game in Vegas, working on that mid range game.

644
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 5: Just mid range two points, two points here, two points there,

645
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 5: bouncing left hand, right hand off the glass, and then

646
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: that's what made my game take off. Bro, That's that's

647
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 5: what really did. Once once I learned how to bounce

648
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 5: and started making that mid range, then I was able

649
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 5: really to get to some dunks and do some explosive plays.

650
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: Oakland and Indiana came together. Yeah, absolutely, GP talked to us.

651
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I want to hear about on the court,

652
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: but I want to hear off the court. I mean,

653
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: you guys captured a basketball and inspired and I played

654
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: on that Lob City team.

655
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

656
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: I used to talk about you guys, and when we

657
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: talk about us with Blake and DJ with you and

658
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: GP used to do so, I mean, you guys just

659
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: kind of captivated the world.

660
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 6: What was that?

661
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: What was that like on air?

662
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 5: It's good. Me and Gary clicked from day one, bro,

663
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 5: you know, so we was able to click, not just

664
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 5: on that court, but off the court, hang out, shoe

665
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 5: pool together. And still to this day we still work

666
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 5: with each other and do stuff with each other. All

667
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 5: the graph sessions, uh, you know, should I sell his

668
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 5: weed products in my stores? All all that ship So

669
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 5: we we still look out for each other and work

670
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 5: with each other. But you know, at the time, the

671
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 5: thing with Gary is that we can motherfuck each other.

672
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Look, get your mother fucking

673
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 5: shit together, get your shit together respected, you know. And

674
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 5: he would get in my face, He's like, look, mother fuck,

675
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 5: get your ship together. Yeah, you're playing against David Robinson

676
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 5: until Duncan fucked him, you still got to go up

677
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 5: in there dunk on the mother And that's just how

678
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 5: it was. And he was the first player that I

679
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 5: played with that we could have that type of relationship,

680
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. He would call me out

681
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 5: on my ship and I could call his ass out

682
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 5: on the ship.

683
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 7: You know.

684
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 5: I remember a night in Philadelphia, Dog, we was cossing

685
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 5: each other out so bad man. You know, you know,

686
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 5: if you you to taught, we hated each other, but

687
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 5: we came back in the second half of worship. I

688
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 5: feel you see what I'm saying, that's what that's what

689
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 5: type of relationship we had. Definitely fed off that. You know,

690
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 5: we off that. My mom and his mom before she

691
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 5: passed away, was good friends. H You know, I'm glad

692
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 5: I've been with around his kids. He's been around my

693
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 5: kids all day life. So I respect you shit out, Gary, Man.

694
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 5: I'm happy for him. He's always been a smart, intuitive player,

695
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 5: but definitely I was the one that's always been pushing

696
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 5: him on that court, and it truly showed after we

697
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 5: didn't play with each other. I think both of our careers,

698
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 5: you know, went a little sideways.

699
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: So that was one thing you wish if you can

700
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 3: go up, that would be the one thing that yeah.

701
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 5: Man, if the one thing, no doubt about it, man,

702
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 5: the one thing if I go back, Man, we don't

703
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 5: break that relationship. We don't break that relationship. Matter of fact,

704
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 5: like when I tell him, now, say we go back, man,

705
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 5: we're supposed to go up in there in the office

706
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 5: and tell them to make that shit work instead of

707
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 5: getting mad and getting upset about this and that, we're

708
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 5: supposed to go up in there and be like, yo,

709
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 5: this is what we need, you know, because that's what

710
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 5: they do to us when.

711
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: We was y'all, I mean not to cut you off.

712
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: I know players later on we're going in and talking

713
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: to manager like that where you guys ask players doing

714
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: that at that time, that was early.

715
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 5: On absolutely, man, we was. We was very intuitive with

716
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 5: the coaches and ship in the management, telling them what

717
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 5: we wanted, you know, to go back and like to

718
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 5: tell y'all, I was the reason Michael Vain came to

719
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 5: Seattle because of me. I was the one that noticed

720
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 5: him on the court. I ain't gonna say, paid this

721
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 5: my fucking sixty something points, but I like I told

722
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 5: Jim Man, don't turn down no free fucking money, right,

723
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 5: don't don't you turn out? And I love him to

724
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 5: death as a friend, still do. He didn't make a

725
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 5: bad decision at all. That was a team's fault for that,

726
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 5: So I don't hold anything against Jim Man. Jim was

727
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 5: a great guy when we played with each other. We

728
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 5: worked out with each other in the morning. I respect him,

729
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 5: but that was the team's decision to do that, so

730
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 5: it wasn't personal.

731
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: Tell us a story about GP going at MJ in

732
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: the preseasonn you.

733
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 5: Know, uh, Man, Like like with myself, Man, I'm one

734
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 5: of them guys who always believe in motivating cats man.

735
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 5: You know, like they said, people got different ways of motivating,

736
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 5: and in the hood, we motivate. We motivate people differently,

737
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 5: you know. We we don't always slap you on your

738
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 5: ass and tell you a good job to motivate you.

739
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 6: You know.

740
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 5: You know when I used to see Michael Jordan and

741
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 5: I would see Gary, I would go over and whisper

742
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 5: some ship in Gary's ear. There he is, he's about

743
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 5: to kill your ass because I know that's gonna get

744
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 5: I know that's gonna get underneath the skied man. But

745
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 5: I know that's gonna bring the best out of it.

746
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 5: That's the only reason I do that. Make And at

747
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 5: the time, at the time when I would do this

748
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 5: to Gary, it wasn't because I didn't think less of man.

749
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 5: It's because I knew this boy could play.

750
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: Some serious des could he could he push your buttons.

751
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: He would, Man, he knew exactly what. But yeah, he

752
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: knew exactly we kind of you know, and he you know,

753
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: spa come on if we planned it against one of

754
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: these singers, he's Patrick going, yeah, oh yeah, come over,

755
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: don't let me figure don't let me go to the

756
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: hole and finger rolling.

757
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 5: Yeah we figure over, No, saw Ship.

758
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 6: We finger roll in the night.

759
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was tearing around down there. You got these

760
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 5: boy man. Yeah, absolutely, Man, we had that type of relationship.

761
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: I love to hear.

762
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 6: I love to hear.

763
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: So Saw This went fifty five plus games, five years

764
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: in a row, ninety three to ninety seven. Ninety three

765
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: lost in game seven to Charles Barklay and the Suns.

766
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: Barkley shot twenty two. God damn free though, Yeah cheat,

767
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: I think you cheat a lot of three. Yeah, who

768
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: was wrapping? Remember who was reffing back then?

769
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 5: Tim was he?

770
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 6: Yes, he was Donny.

771
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 5: He was on that game.

772
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 6: God damn Tim. You just fuck there a boy? The

773
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 6: ship up.

774
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 3: Cut it out.

775
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 5: They shot down their fifty free throws. We think we

776
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 5: shot eight or nine free throws. They shot They wanted

777
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 5: they wanted Phoenix to get to the championship. Yeah, but

778
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 5: you know, I will say this though too.

779
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 6: Man.

780
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 5: You know it's still it's just in the game today,

781
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 5: aggressive play wins. You know, whoever gets to the free

782
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 5: throw line the most of the time, who's gonna be

783
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 5: the first one, the first one to create contact and

784
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 5: the first one to get to that free throw line,

785
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 5: that's gonna win the game. It still goes to today's game.

786
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 5: There ain't nothing changed.

787
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: Years later, ninety first round exits in ninety four, you

788
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: become the first one seed to lose to an eight

789
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 2: seed demper if I'm not mistaken.

790
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, you gotta have the right chemistry. You know,

791
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 5: when when you look back at our at our at

792
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 5: our years that we had bro you know, the year

793
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: with Michael Jordan going to the championship, that was okay,

794
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 5: but we actually lost that. We lost before that, man,

795
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 5: our years of winning the championship came when Michael was

796
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 5: retired and Houston win those two championships. That's when we

797
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 5: were supposed to take advantage of we were supposed to

798
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 5: get one of them Marines right there. But what happens

799
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 5: is when you when you're making so many changes on

800
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 5: the team and the chemistry gets off, marn sometimes you

801
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 5: bring in them. Well, they don't take but one or

802
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 5: two bad people to bring in. Don't pike up the chemistry. Mothers,

803
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 5: don't want to pass the ball later in the game,

804
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 5: get to shoot that ship. You know when when somebody

805
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 5: do that, the next person started doing that. So, uh,

806
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 5: I think in a couple of years when we have

807
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 5: some problems with some selfish play with some players and stuff,

808
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 5: and uh, the result is that is that you up

809
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 5: three zero and if you if you don't bring it,

810
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 5: you're gonna lose four four straight in which we did.

811
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 5: And there were some young boys with dinner, some young dogs.

812
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 5: It was hungry, and they was motivated by beating some

813
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 5: some veterans, some savvy veterans, and they just whipped our

814
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 5: ass like they were supposed to.

815
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: You finally break through, You sweep Dream and Clyde beat

816
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 2: Stocking them alone in seven you get to Mike, You're

817
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: revenue twenty three and ten in the finals.

818
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 6: What was that?

819
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: We got GP start. We had GP a couple of

820
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: years ago.

821
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: GP said if GP said, if they would have put

822
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: him on our MJ earlier, y'all would have won it.

823
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, Gary was having had They had a couple of

824
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 5: little injuries he had, so they didn't want to exert him.

825
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 5: At first, they put that lia on Michael Jordan, which

826
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 5: didn't go well. I mean, I mean, look at it.

827
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 5: Dedland is a great player. I mean he is man.

828
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 5: I don't think it was fair to him all of

829
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 5: a sudden. You know, you come on, you know what

830
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 5: I'm saying. If anything, you pull somebody off the bench

831
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 5: and pull on Michael Jordan, they can just waste files

832
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 5: and be physical with him. But you know, you come

833
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 5: out there being soft with Michael, He's gonna take advantage

834
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 5: of you. And that's exactly what happened. But Michael wasn't

835
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 5: the reason he didn't beat us in the championship. He

836
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 5: did not beat us. Man was on his ass, but

837
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 5: he didn't beat us. Dennis Robbins the one who we

838
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 5: had no answer for. His ass man. Really, we had

839
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 5: no answer for Dennis Robbins. I mean, every time that

840
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 5: they needed a second shot or something special, extra rebound

841
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 5: or chippion, this motherfucker was flying and weaking, and I

842
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 5: mean he said winking and winking and tisting and ship

843
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 5: frustrating everybody on the team. Man's not even like that.

844
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 5: He just do that Ship just just doing that ship.

845
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 5: He had my team just flustered.

846
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 3: Man, what kind of ship would he do?

847
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 5: Uh, I'm gonna tell you what. Frank mcconsky. Man then

848
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 5: this month and dinner started wearing color contacts. The championship,

849
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 5: he started wearing color color contacts in the Championship with

850
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 5: some lip ship on man. He would be like he

851
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 5: was trying to kiss Frank's arm and the ship, and

852
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 5: then Frank just couldn't take it. Man, it was just

853
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 5: the man and him just couldn't allow it. Dinn's new

854
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 5: buttons to push, man, we need to freak the rebound.

855
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 5: He got him all discombobulated.

856
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 6: Man.

857
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 5: So yeah, my god, absolutely, man, Dennis Robert, he I

858
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 5: was his defense man's well me, I mean his defense

859
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 5: was good. It wasn't. I mean, he wasn't just too

860
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 5: big for dinner, right, you know what I'm saying, I'm

861
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 5: a little bit too big for dinner. I don't think

862
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 5: that's a fair agile too. But his defense was great.

863
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 6: Man.

864
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 5: Like I said, he was just tipping the ball and

865
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 5: rebounding high knee and doing all this silly ship man,

866
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 5: all all the ship that you hate to see, and

867
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 5: they needed. Yeah, that's exactly what they need.

868
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 6: Man.

869
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 5: Scotty Pipping is great man. You know, I play with

870
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 5: Pipping in Portland. I just say this, but sometimes the

871
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 5: people don't get Pipping his props. But Scottie Pippen was

872
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 5: gonna be good ball player without Michael Jordan. He would

873
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 5: have been a quality ball player without Michael Jordan. Michael

874
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 5: Jordan definitely made him a little bit better. But my man,

875
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 5: Scottie Pippen was still balling when he was in Portland.

876
00:42:59,120 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 3: You know.

877
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 5: He wasn't no match for Kobe when we were playing

878
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 5: back then. Yeah, yeah, but Scotty was still balling.

879
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 7: Man.

880
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 5: He could still play the pass and lanes. He never

881
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 5: been a great shooter, but he's just been athletic to

882
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 5: do a lot of different things, you know, pass, scoring, rebounding,

883
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 5: that's his game.

884
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: Talk.

885
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: What was Mike like in those finals? Talking just straight

886
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: about business?

887
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 6: What was it like?

888
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 5: And well, we played Mike in the finals. Were trying

889
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 5: to engage with him a lot, man. We really wanted him.

890
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 5: We wanted physicality, We wanted to uh. We was trying

891
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 5: to test him, but he wasn't. He wasn't going forward.

892
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 5: He was focused all right.

893
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: Here was a picture right there.

894
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 5: No that's that's Gary. Gary was letting him know that

895
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 5: he was getting in his ass. Because that's when they

896
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 5: didn't put they took Gary. They took dadla f off.

897
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 5: Michael put Gary on. So Gary, you know, I used

898
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 5: to run down court and I'd be like, shortened the glove.

899
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 5: I'd be like the glove can't give his back the

900
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 5: ball away and gave him flashy glove to But that's

901
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 5: you see Michael looking back. He flashing that glove side.

902
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 5: He didn't like that ship. That's the ship. That's the ship.

903
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 5: That's the ship there. That's you. You get Michael going. Man,

904
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 5: when you see that look right there, you got some

905
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 5: problems coming back because now he don't want to talk

906
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 5: to you. Now he got something to prove to you.

907
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 5: You got another problem.

908
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: Get a chance to know Mike off the court, not

909
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: so much off the.

910
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 5: Court, but definitely battles on the court, man, definitely battles

911
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 5: on the car respecting. I got a lot of mad

912
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 5: respect for the man. You know, I've seen people be

913
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 5: physical with Mike. I've seen him have a game plan

914
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 5: to stop him. He altered his game plan every night.

915
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 5: He couldn't stop him. Is he the best to ever

916
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 5: played the game.

917
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 6: No, who is.

918
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 5: I mean, people get mad at me when I say this,

919
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 5: spell but Bill Russell, Bill Russell, Bill Russell. You know

920
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. The best they ever played the game

921
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 5: is not gonna be the league scorer. Best to play

922
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 5: the game is gonna be one. It's gonna be in

923
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 5: the middle doing a lot of different things because he's

924
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 5: gonna be able to help people out. Keep the ball

925
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 5: in play. Bill Russell was the first one blocking shots.

926
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 5: Keep the ball in play. You know, we was blocking

927
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 5: shots doing that shit, seventeen rolls up in the stairs.

928
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 5: He was actually blocking shots and they was actually getting

929
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 5: fucking layups off of him. So absolutely, man, I you know,

930
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 5: as I look through the years of basketball, I think

931
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 5: Will Chamber was a beast. But ship Bill Russell was

932
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 5: wearing his ass up. So let's keep it real. If

933
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 5: you're talking about the all around best player of the game,

934
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 5: you look at and see how many championships they won,

935
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 5: how long they did it, He's got to be up there, bro.

936
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 5: So with that think, you know, I think unfortunately people

937
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 5: forget about the age a little bit. People didn't get

938
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 5: a chance to see those guys play. They don't really

939
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 5: know the history of some of these older players played

940
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 5: in the game back then, Elgin Baylor and some of

941
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 5: these guys, but they didn't get a chance to see

942
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 5: some of these guys. All they see is a couple

943
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 5: of clips and now they forced to be able to

944
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 5: look at Michael and Kobe and Lebron.

945
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: So with that said, Lebron is someone that was in

946
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: a mix of doing everything. Where do you kind of

947
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: have him in the hierarchy?

948
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 5: Man, I think Lebron is right up there. I don't

949
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 5: think he's the best. Well, I don't think he has

950
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 5: to be the best. And I don't think Lebron should

951
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 5: be compared to Michael Jordan either. I think Lebron should

952
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 5: be compared to Magic Johnson. Right. I think that you know,

953
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 5: whoever started that ship up got it totally wrong.

954
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 6: Man.

955
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 5: Lebron is not no damn Michael Jordan's. Kobe is more

956
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 5: like Michael Jordan, Bron is more like Magic Johnson. It's

957
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 5: like they wanted to make a story for the news

958
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 5: or something, I guess, so they just do their name

959
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 5: up in there. But absolutely, man, I don't see how

960
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 5: you could you really compare those two. He's such a

961
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 5: bigger stronger person than what Michael Jordan was the most

962
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 5: forceful person. You know. I just well, Lebron, I wonder.

963
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 5: I don't know if he could have done that back

964
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 5: when we played with all those big bodies. I don't

965
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm not saying that he wouldn't have

966
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 5: been a very good player, but I think his game

967
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 5: would have had to change. He would have play, had

968
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 5: to play more like he did in his younger years.

969
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 6: Yeah.

970
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you saw m J at his peak and you

971
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: you got you saw Kob a young Coke getting going.

972
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: Compare and contrast those two, man.

973
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 5: You know, with Kobe Man, it was I man, it

974
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 5: was it was different.

975
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 6: Man.

976
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 5: I I used to uh, you know with Coche. You know,

977
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 5: I had got this chance to play against Michael Jordan bruh.

978
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 5: And when I got a chance to go against Kobe

979
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 5: late in the season, I really wanted to test his ass.

980
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 7: Man.

981
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 5: I want to see if he was as strong as

982
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 5: Michael was. So I used to uh. I used to

983
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 5: have Ruben Pattison on my team, man, and I used

984
00:47:49,760 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 5: to shake water and stop. I used to go around

985
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 5: and just gas these guys up to play against Kobe man.

986
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 6: But it was.

987
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 5: Just I mean, I mean, and the thing about it, man,

988
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 5: Kobe got mad at me for doing that ship and

989
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 5: he was he was here.

990
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, got asked pride out there. You gotta fake. I

991
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 7: got Bonzie fried to you got as pride to Absolutely.

992
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 7: I think that's what the game is about. If anything, man,

993
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 7: did I miss about the game?

994
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 5: Is that locker room?

995
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 6: Yeah?

996
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, fight bus ride card games. You remember, just tough

997
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: ass press. You're sitting that motherfucker two three hours, that's right. No,

998
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: just in your town, no shower yet, chopping it up.

999
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 5: Chopping it up. That's what about that.

1000
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1001
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 5: The relationships that you have with the players and stuff. Absolutely,

1002
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 5: What does Duncan mean to you? Man?

1003
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 4: You know.

1004
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 5: Duncan. It didn't mean that much to me at first, man,

1005
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 5: But you know, I think, uh, I tell you all this, man,

1006
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 5: I wasn't really dunk in the basketball when I first

1007
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 5: got into the NBA. The motherfucker wasn't playing me enough.

1008
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 5: And I would sit on there, goddamn bitch late in

1009
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 5: the game and I'd be so furtherfucking man, and I'd

1010
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 5: be like the I mean, fuck, who was your coach

1011
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 5: at the time. It was Bernie Bickerstaff. And then that Uh,

1012
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 5: you know, I got. I got. My coach was one

1013
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 5: of those old black professional going straight by the book coaches,

1014
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 5: and Bertie used to have this, uh, this rule he

1015
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 5: used to tell me. He'd be like, look, he I'm

1016
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 5: gonna put your young ass in the game. You know

1017
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 5: what you use. You're playing right back tonight. When the

1018
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 5: motherfucking veterans throw the ball back, you throw it right

1019
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 5: back to the ass and go set a pitch. If

1020
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 5: it ain't a dunk, if it ain't a dunk, don't

1021
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 5: shoot it. Look look at me. If it ain't matter

1022
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 5: of fact, if it ain't a dunk, if you shoot

1023
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 5: that motherfucker, you run your ass right right back over

1024
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 5: here and shit your ass. Then that's what you do.

1025
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 5: I have to play like that, boy, man, it's tough

1026
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 5: to play like that. And then he knew what he

1027
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 5: was doing there. One night he came to me, man,

1028
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 5: and he was just like, well, Ship, I'm gonna let

1029
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 5: you loose, my baby boy. That's sweet whiter finger roll

1030
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 5: ship you be doing. I want to see all that

1031
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 5: ship you make. I'm gonna let you loose. Don't fucking

1032
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 5: embarrass you. Don't go crazy on me, he said. But yeah,

1033
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 5: it's my rookie season too. And then that was against

1034
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 5: uh that would have been that had been against Charles Barkle,

1035
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 5: no doubt. So that was like the first would have

1036
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 5: been the first twenty point game that I got against

1037
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 5: that against yourself, Philadelphia, And then they got a little

1038
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 5: more trust.

1039
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 3: Than me and did that game kind of change and start.

1040
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 5: Man, it was a tough game because at the time,

1041
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 5: you know, when I came in, theyoul having me into

1042
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 5: two guard. I'm skinny, I'm playing the two guard in

1043
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 5: the three.

1044
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1045
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 5: Man, it was tough. It's not yeah, So you know,

1046
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 5: and uh, back then they was they give you that

1047
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 5: jad it was jabbing you went to two steps, and man,

1048
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 5: it was. It was a tough catch up for me.

1049
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 6: Man.

1050
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 5: So I felt like I was getting on a lot

1051
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 5: of foul property. Absolutely. So you know, I I said

1052
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 5: to myself one night, man, we ain't getting no rebounds.

1053
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 5: Let me just go ahead and just start grabbing motherfucking rebels.

1054
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 5: So once I did that, I got some rebounds, right,

1055
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 5: so I realized I could rebound the basketball. Well, my

1056
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 5: mom had told me something, man, she said, well, don't

1057
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 5: do none of that fancy ship until you get to

1058
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 5: uh somewhere big. So I waited till we got to

1059
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 5: New York. We got to New York and I told

1060
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 5: we're sitting on the end of the bench, and I

1061
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 5: told Daniel Barrows, I said, man, if you see me tonight,

1062
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 5: start my fucking in the middle something. Man, just throw

1063
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 5: it anywhere. I don't get where you throw it. Get that,

1064
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 5: he's like anyway, I said, just throw that day they

1065
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 5: just throw it up there. It's like that anywhere. I

1066
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 5: don't care where you threw it. And then you know,

1067
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 5: I made this one dunk, double pump, reverse dunk in

1068
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 5: New York.

1069
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 6: Garden.

1070
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 5: Stop bro, referee, stop, the ball just mounts. Pat Riley

1071
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 5: called the time out. You don't let this players because

1072
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 5: nobody was moving. It was in ad a little bit.

1073
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 5: Uh you know, I felt the crowd, I felt the ship. Well,

1074
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 5: I'll tell you all this man. In the next thirty days,

1075
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 5: I think I had fifty four dunks. So it just

1076
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 5: created a beast. I mean, when when I said about

1077
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 5: dunk and it wasn't, I went from duncan, I was

1078
00:52:53,960 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 5: trying to fucking rip it. I made this, no man,

1079
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 5: I would make this now. So on my bathroom mirror,

1080
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 5: every and my partners man, every anybody that was played.

1081
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 5: It was like a seven footer. We would cut a

1082
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 5: picture off of it, literal my damn mirror in my

1083
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 5: bathroom and then and I was like, you know, they

1084
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 5: was like you gotta get this, You gotta get this

1085
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 5: big fucking my boys would be like, you gotta get

1086
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 5: this big. I was like, won don't we just get

1087
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 5: everybody guards, big man, anybody there, whoever, It didn't matter.

1088
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 5: So it was just like my mindset, man, was just

1089
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 5: like I could just dump on any and everybody. It

1090
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 5: didn't matter. Five ft away, three feet away, double punt, reverse,

1091
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 5: double windmill, anything possible.

1092
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 6: Man. It was like double wind It was just like

1093
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 6: just kept talking double windmill. Yeah. Man.

1094
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: So it was just like, you know, trade was all statements, Yeah,

1095
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: do you have some do you have some favorites? Obviously

1096
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 2: the old listed one is big and we've.

1097
00:53:52,600 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 5: Seen Ratland Gallon was a good one because he listen

1098
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 5: the story do I'm saying, But the truth of it

1099
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 5: is he is he tried to hurt me. That was

1100
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 5: a playoff game. He actually tried to hurt me before that.

1101
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 5: So he basically hit threw me to the ground kind

1102
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 5: of slammed me to the ground. I told his ass,

1103
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 5: we get your old ass back. We'll get you back.

1104
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 5: I know how to get you back. I ain't gonna

1105
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 5: fight you because we get kicked out, but I know

1106
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 5: how to get your ass. I'm gonna put you one

1107
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 5: of these posts, the ratling Gatlin. This is the one

1108
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 5: of my favorite ones because I couldn't believe this nigga

1109
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 5: really gave me that. I loved it, man. I was

1110
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 5: just man, well, he gave me that right there. I

1111
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 5: was just like, man, you know, and we were partners too,

1112
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 5: and I was just like, damn, got me. He's like damn,

1113
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 5: you know. And then that's what you're doing.

1114
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: That what you lose how long?

1115
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 5: Man? That's when they this was the first compression shorts

1116
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 5: they made, the first compression shorts they made.

1117
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 6: Damn.

1118
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 5: It came below your kneecap. You used to have to

1119
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 5: pull him up, man, It wasn't it. It was just

1120
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 5: your balls falling out on the side of Yeah. Man,

1121
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 5: come on, you've seen them clips. You got to come funk.

1122
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 5: When he's on balls, it's falling all out on the

1123
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 5: side of your shorts and ship. That's how it was.

1124
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, they wear them.

1125
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1126
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1127
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: I forgot to ask us when we was talking about

1128
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 2: GP when what was there a moment that clicked when

1129
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: the lib ship came together?

1130
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Absolutely, Man.

1131
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 6: It was.

1132
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 5: Boston Celtics playing out East.

1133
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: One year and you're his his rookie year, his second year.

1134
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 5: Second his second year. And Gary was like, uh, he said,

1135
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 5: for now, man, I don't give a funk if you

1136
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 5: run down corner. I'm just gonna start throwing this motherfucker

1137
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 5: because you bullshit, he said, So when I get the ball,

1138
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 5: look here, I'm just gonna throw the ship up to

1139
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 5: the realm. You just go go up there and get

1140
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 5: the ship. I don't get fucked. So it was like

1141
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 5: two or three places from Crock the ball. Just threw

1142
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 5: the ball up there, and I was like, let he said,

1143
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 5: go get.

1144
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 2: The mother fucking ball.

1145
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 6: Man.

1146
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 5: You know he won't go jump up there. So then

1147
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 5: I was just like, man, should all right? All right?

1148
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 5: Come on. So we got to says this game we

1149
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 5: had particularly I think we had six lob duks, which

1150
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,959
Speaker 5: is a lot we can running play. Then we started

1151
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 5: running the same play on the opposite side, and then

1152
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 5: he just started Then he just started just you know,

1153
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 5: running down court, just throwing the ship up anywhere and everywhere,

1154
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 5: and then the ship got fun. It was then it

1155
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 5: is really fun then at that point in time, man,

1156
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 5: cause the chemistry is there. Like I said, man, my

1157
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 5: mindset at that time.

1158
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 6: Is that.

1159
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm coming from an area of el Current, Indiana,

1160
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: and you have no room not take sel. You can't.

1161
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 5: When you come from areas them country areas like some

1162
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 5: of us come from, there is no turning back. There

1163
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 5: is there is there's none of that. It's about figuring

1164
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 5: this shit out right. And that's how it was. Now

1165
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 5: these days, these kids got a lot of bigger, much

1166
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 5: opportunity because they're trained better. They got multiple early on

1167
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 5: where they teams and AAU and stuff. But back then

1168
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 5: is when you really had to put this work in

1169
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 5: because you didn't have all of these opportunities at hand

1170
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 5: in front of.

1171
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 6: You like that.

1172
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 3: What was it like when you guys were at the

1173
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: top of your game, U and G.

1174
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 5: It was great. We was rockstar as well, basically traveling

1175
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 5: around and I tell you all this, man, The best

1176
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 5: thing about that is this is that being able to

1177
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 5: go to anybody's gym and match their energy and beat

1178
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 5: them knowing that you're going to win. Uh means everything,

1179
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 5: you know. With myself and Gary, I was the ball.

1180
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 5: I was on the ball, pressure on the ball up

1181
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 5: the court. He was behind me for he could get

1182
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 5: the stills. If he got the steals, then I was

1183
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 5: already on their place for these lobb dark. So we

1184
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 5: that's kind of we was kind of absolutely was playing

1185
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 5: cat mouse and just pressure and using our energy.

1186
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1187
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 5: Like I said, at the time, we wasn't the greatest

1188
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 5: shooters at the time.

1189
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 4: Uh.

1190
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 5: That really took a lot of time man for us

1191
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 5: to get our shot and ship together. Coach Greg would

1192
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 5: We basically would go shoot every night, brou That's how

1193
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 5: much it meant to us. We went shot every night.

1194
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 5: We we did all all the little ship that the

1195
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 5: player gotta do to make himself better.

1196
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: Can I get you a little shot? Yeah, sir, I

1197
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: love your storyteller. I just wanted ship to go on

1198
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: for the whole night. Where's your cup at, bro? You

1199
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 2: need to get out the bottles going on our new cut.

1200
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: Here's the more cup fright here. We appreciate your time, Bro.

1201
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 2: This is dope gg gg.

1202
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 6: While my cups got out.

1203
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 5: Greg was the he was the first coach man to

1204
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 5: be able to uh relate to the person.

1205
00:58:59,680 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 7: You know.

1206
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 5: The relate. A coach's relationship has got to be strong

1207
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 5: with you and your work ethic. You work your workhouse,

1208
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 5: you feel what I'm saying. Different Gerdy was different man.

1209
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 5: So he would actually study your game and then tell

1210
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 5: you what you need to work on, you know, and

1211
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 5: that looks absolutely Yeah. So basically giving you options, man,

1212
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 5: instead of like doing this, If you do this, you

1213
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 5: got you go left or right, staying more in the

1214
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 5: middle of the court. You got more options, y'all. Keep

1215
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 5: going baseline, you're killing yourself. So it was just all

1216
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 5: like a lot of little things, man, shooting the ball

1217
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 5: with a little art, shoot what your left hand shoot

1218
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 5: the ball, same way with your right hand. Just basically

1219
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 5: all fundamental of stuff man, Just capitalizing off the things

1220
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 5: you can do. Strip wise. Yeah, he first assistant coach,

1221
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 5: you making a million dollars in NBA. First assistant coach

1222
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 5: you making a million dollars. So he was he was

1223
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 5: definitely well worked.

1224
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 7: It a.

1225
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 6: You goodes me.

1226
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 5: The long day.

1227
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 4: Come on, let's finish strong, Jesse. You got this all

1228
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 4: for what you got this? I'm showing this tour. Sure, Okay,

1229
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 4: that's all. I ain't coming up nothing. I'm just showing

1230
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 4: all smoke toys.

1231
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1232
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,959
Speaker 2: Someone someone said, you chet about yourself and and still

1233
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: some ketchup on yourself.

1234
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 6: No I didn't.

1235
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 4: I just I'm just I'm just discovering that a catfish

1236
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 4: is too good. Go ahead, give me your five, you know,

1237
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 4: your list of your five most.

1238
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 6: Ferocious dunkers of all time.

1239
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 5: Man, I Daryl Dawkins. I try to say it wrong.

1240
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 5: Daryl Dawkins. People forget about chocolate.

1241
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 6: Chocolate can't here.

1242
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 5: He was naming and dunk. He was dunking the breaking

1243
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 5: back boys, breaking back boys, and you never really heard

1244
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 5: about it, but.

1245
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 6: Dryl Dawkins, doctor Duncanstein.

1246
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 5: Doctor Duncan Starn or Terrence Stansbury. A lot of these

1247
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 5: old guys. These are the guys I used to watch

1248
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 5: Dunk and the Basketball. David Thompson. David Thompson was one

1249
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 5: of the baddest, coldest donkeys ever. He was glad from

1250
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 5: the freak dunk in the sideways, dun two balls at

1251
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 5: one time. Come on, man, absolutely, absolutely absolutely, you know

1252
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 5: you know I realized that I could jump in high

1253
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 5: school when I could touch the top of the backboard.

1254
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 6: It was yeah.

1255
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 5: Once I could do that off a vertical leap, and

1256
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 5: my coach would have this drill where I would have

1257
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 5: to do a drop step, touch the backboard, top the

1258
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 5: top of the back board, run on the other post

1259
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 5: to drop step, touch the top of the backboard again.

1260
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 5: So you have to do this consecutive times, man. And

1261
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 5: like I said, it was just it was great. It

1262
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 5: just made me stronger. Absolutely, did you did you get it?

1263
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 6: Uh huh?

1264
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 3: Besides itself, you're there.

1265
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 5: Oh and I'm gonna say, uh, Shack, No, I mean

1266
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 5: Shack is you know shock Shack is a different beast.

1267
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 6: Dominique.

1268
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 5: But Dominique wilkins Man, Domini Dominique wilkins if you if

1269
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 5: you watch me dunk, you gotta you gotta see a

1270
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 5: little Dominique and sign me. I was one of them

1271
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 5: young kids that was watching the TVs who were.

1272
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 6: Doing yeah yeah.

1273
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 5: Hawks man. We said it was like Dominque Wilke show.

1274
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 5: You know, domald Ship, Dominice got that ass curled up

1275
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 5: in his head. Let's go watch Dominique Wilkins Man. And

1276
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 5: so absolutely Dominicu Wilkins But.

1277
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 3: I got a chance to play against him though, right, Yeah,

1278
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 3: how cold was he?

1279
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 5: Man, he was a cold and I'm gonna tell you

1280
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 5: all this man, Dominique was so cold when he towards Achilles.

1281
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 5: He still came back dropping fifties and forties on people.

1282
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 5: People forget that he was still he was like thirty four,

1283
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 5: thirty five years old. He still came back. Dominique Wilkins

1284
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 5: was still dropping thirties and forties on people, fifties on people.

1285
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 3: Man.

1286
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it was just a crying of shame. But a

1287
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 5: guy like Dominic didn't get a chance to play for

1288
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,919
Speaker 5: a great team at the interview, Yeah, I always feel

1289
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 5: like those guys like Dominic should They should always give

1290
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 5: him at least one chance to play for a veteran team.

1291
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 6: Pigeon toe where you're weaing?

1292
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 4: A lot of players walk around fake, fake being pigeon

1293
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 4: toed because you yeah, that's.

1294
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 5: What they.

1295
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 3: Ship.

1296
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 4: That's funny as hell. Man, I used to walk like that.

1297
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 4: Have to call de Shaun can't walk? Why do you

1298
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,439
Speaker 4: Why did you leave Nike for reebok.

1299
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 6: Oh?

1300
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 5: Michael Michael and Charles Man had in the contract. Couldn't

1301
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 5: I could make more money than they could. Absolutely, Yeah,

1302
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 5: you a no one or you just know okay, okay,

1303
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 5: he wasn't gonna get and chuck at the time. Yeah,

1304
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 5: what just wasn't gonna happen. Man, So I looked at

1305
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 5: Rebok as a there's a way to get back to

1306
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 5: the hood. Get back in the hood, man, Yeah, you

1307
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 5: always I'm always my bad.

1308
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 2: I don't Did you get what you deserved financially with Rebund?

1309
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 5: I think so? Absolutely, I think so.

1310
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 7: I do.

1311
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 5: I think so, And I would still work with Reebok.

1312
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 5: But man, right now, right now, I'm trying to develop

1313
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 5: all shoes coming. I will do some shoes with some

1314
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 5: hip made out of him.

1315
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 6: Interesting is a legendary.

1316
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 5: Though, no, no doubt about it. But now you're gonna

1317
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 5: always be legendary without a doubt. Man. We still they

1318
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 5: still selling them.

1319
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 3: We'll rock you, We'll rock them. Yeah, let us know,

1320
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 3: make some fourteens were in there.

1321
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 5: That's a bet.

1322
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1323
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: Train to do the Cavs in ninety seven, make the

1324
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 2: All Star Game, Uh, playoffs, first year in Cleveland.

1325
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 6: Uh.

1326
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: Then the lockout happens. Yeah, you show up the training

1327
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 2: camp overweight, and what happens?

1328
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 5: Hey, man, hey, you back then, I'm gonna tell you

1329
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 5: back then, you didn't you didn't take the chance of

1330
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 5: hurting nobody on a big contracts. Man, if you heard

1331
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 5: get hurt during that lockout, that's on you. You know,

1332
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 5: was there things I probably could have did have gotten

1333
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 5: better shape? Absolutely absolutely it was. Was I mad about

1334
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 5: gaining weight, not at all, Not at all.

1335
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 6: Man.

1336
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 5: I'm playing for a young team in Cleveland. First year

1337
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 5: I was in Cleveland, Man, I realized I was gonna

1338
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 5: be gardened. I went from garden uh guys like Dennis Robin,

1339
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 5: Tony Kook coach. Now I'm guarding people like Patrick Ewing,

1340
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 5: every big center in the league. That little way helped

1341
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 5: me down there in Cleveland, Trust me, it did.

1342
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 6: Man.

1343
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,959
Speaker 5: That first year I was in Cleveland, Man, the boys

1344
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 5: kicked my ass on the Eastern Conference. You don't realize

1345
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 5: how physical it is until you get out there on

1346
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 5: different it's a lot different, man. So that wait, that wait, actually,

1347
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 5: but I played my best basketball with that weight on me.

1348
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 5: My problem, my problem in Cleveland is I could get

1349
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 5: no veterans there. I can I you know, I played

1350
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 5: with ten rookies. Well we still made it to the

1351
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 5: second round.

1352
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 6: M so was on that team.

1353
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 5: I had uh Wesley person Bobby Sora, you know, yeah,

1354
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 5: you know sometimes he casts, Brandon Brandon Knight, now Chris

1355
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 5: went he had left. He left with the trade when

1356
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 5: I got when I came in, and uh yeah, just

1357
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 5: we had ten rookies and three ve three veterans.

1358
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 6: That's crazy.

1359
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 2: How was your time in Portland? She Bonzie pip ze

1360
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 2: Bo uh the nickname the jail Blazer. Yeah, what was

1361
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 2: that time like with that team?

1362
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 5: Man? Man, we had some fun. I loved them casting

1363
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 5: Bonzie Rashid, Like I said, Scottie Man, the whole team,

1364
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 5: even Steve Kerr was on team. We love all them cats.

1365
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 6: Man.

1366
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 5: You know, our only problem in Portland was it La

1367
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 5: was a young Kobe and a young Shaq, and you know,

1368
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 5: and at the time Kobe and Shaq was competing against

1369
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 5: each other and it wasn't losing. It's just the truth

1370
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 5: of it. It was playing some serious basketball. If it

1371
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 5: wasn't for that, we probably won the championship one of

1372
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 5: those years.

1373
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 4: I got a question when you when you was in Portland,

1374
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 4: do you remember, yeah, playing San Antonio and all y'all

1375
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 4: showing up in my house.

1376
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, the whole I talked to Bondis like we're gonna

1377
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 5: pull up.

1378
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 6: I'm thinking she.

1379
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 5: Pulled up that's that's how we used to roam bro

1380
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 5: That's what they used to.

1381
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 6: And then what we got it in.

1382
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 5: We had a great time. Absolutely, that's what it used

1383
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 5: to call it. We used to roll the whole squad.

1384
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:55,919
Speaker 5: We roll together.

1385
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 6: The whole team came to that's team was are we

1386
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 6: believe the same way?

1387
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 3: Well, d all my brothers burning it down?

1388
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 5: Yeah. Man, That's how the old league was. It wasn't

1389
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 5: as as you see these young guys today. They little

1390
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 5: stand offish kind of do their own things. That's let

1391
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 5: you know that. That money then came into play and

1392
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 5: everybody got their own ways of doing thing. But the

1393
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 5: way the old NBA was was guys that was unified.

1394
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 6: Man.

1395
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 5: Everybody had money too, but everybody had money and everybody

1396
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 5: was everybody was unique. But they definitely stayed together and communicated.

1397
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 2: You know, you had some issues with speaking of money, money,

1398
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 2: what was what was it like when you were coming up?

1399
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,560
Speaker 2: Was there any kind of guidance once you got that

1400
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 2: money or they had the NBA have any kind of

1401
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: guidance once you because obviously we all came from nothing

1402
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: into all that. Was there any kind of guidance coming

1403
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 2: up for you in that process? You kind of just

1404
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 2: trialing there.

1405
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 5: Man. No, man, it was just family, you know, family,

1406
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 5: I think what my family have always always looked out

1407
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 5: for me and them them them regards. But absolutely, man,

1408
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 5: with that money, when you're making that much money, you

1409
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 5: got to be on top of it, you know. And

1410
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 5: if you're not on top of it, you better have

1411
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 5: a hell of a game plan to get back on top, right.

1412
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 5: And you know, and I always tell people this, man,

1413
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 5: it's great to play in NBA, and it's great to

1414
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,560
Speaker 5: make that money playing basketball, but when you're done playing basketball,

1415
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 5: you better have a game plan together to be able

1416
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 5: to help you out financially. With myself, I'm still living

1417
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 5: off the money that I played played, So I feel fortunate,

1418
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 5: you know, I feel very fortunate, and you know, and

1419
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 5: obviously I'm still making more money on the side, but yeah,

1420
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 5: I feel fortunate to still be in that position to

1421
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 5: live off the money that I still played what years ago,

1422
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 5: I played basketball since two thousand and three, I believe.

1423
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 2: So when you hear that after this next collecting bargain

1424
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 2: to given the max contract, players are gonna be making

1425
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: eighty ninety million per year, what.

1426
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 3: Comes to mind? What could you have done in this era.

1427
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I take congratulations to these guys, but I

1428
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 5: think this is me saying is that these young men

1429
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 5: need to really be able to look at themselves and

1430
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 5: and and and handle their business professional wise with this money.

1431
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 5: When I came into the NBA, I'll say this, when

1432
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 5: when I came into the NBA years ago, in nineteen

1433
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:18,799
Speaker 5: eighty nine, nineteen ninety Magic Johnson was probably the highest

1434
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 5: paid person in the NBA, and he was probably just

1435
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 5: making three or four million dollars. You understand, three or

1436
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 5: four million at the time.

1437
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 6: I believe.

1438
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 5: Around nineteen around ninety nine, ninety nine, two thousand is

1439
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 5: when the first hundred million dollar contract came in. And

1440
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 5: I want to I want to say it was either

1441
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 5: Larry Johnson or Kevin Garnett. You know, so that hasn't

1442
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 5: been that long. When these contracts have been really big,

1443
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 5: I had no idea that they were going to expand

1444
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 5: to where they have expanded to today. Right, So you know,

1445
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,520
Speaker 5: with these with these now comes a great deal of responsibility.

1446
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 5: With these young guys making this funny, you know, it

1447
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 5: was a responsibility for us to do that. But now

1448
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 5: with these guys making thirty, forty fifty, I mean, Lebron

1449
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 5: probably make fifty something sixty million dollars a year this year.

1450
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 5: I mean, Colon man, that's it's a lot of money.

1451
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 5: And uh, now I'm happy for these young guys. But

1452
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 5: as yet I will say is that's a big responsibility.

1453
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 5: Uh basketball is not the only thing that they need

1454
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 5: to focus on. They need to focus on their money off.

1455
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 4: So cannabis, let's talk about cannabis plus, Like, we all

1456
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 4: feel like we had a hand in cannabis being legal

1457
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 4: for players. Now, what does cannabis mean to you and

1458
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 4: what was the stigma of cannabis when you was in

1459
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 4: the league.

1460
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 5: Well, the stigma in cannabis is that they was treating

1461
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 5: it like heroin. Yeah, absolutely, and they made you and

1462
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 5: if you got caught with it, they made you feel

1463
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 5: like you was actually a horrible person, you know, the

1464
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 5: most worst person in the world. I mean, was use

1465
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 5: a piece of shit. I mean seriously. So it's great

1466
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 5: to see that they've uplifted some of these laws with

1467
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 5: the cannabis. I wouldn't have cared about smoking the weed,

1468
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,799
Speaker 5: but I just think with the lotions and the creams

1469
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 5: that right there would have let me play at least

1470
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 5: another three or four years along, just if I could

1471
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 5: have used the lotions. Yeah, even the teachers. Absolutely, So,

1472
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 5: I think these guys got a great chance right now

1473
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 5: to be able to have their bodies recover regardless if

1474
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 5: they use cannabis, if they use something else. But if

1475
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 5: they are, they just got to make sure that they're

1476
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 5: using the right thing, whether they smoking it or using

1477
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 5: teachers or whatever. There's so many avenues of using cannabis

1478
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 5: these days, you know. So they're having Heller's, they you

1479
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 5: name it. So there's so many avenues of using these

1480
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 5: things nowadays that these guys got a big opportunity to

1481
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 5: be able to make their bodies recover fast.

1482
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 4: It shouldn't be what they called it when they're not

1483
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 4: playing low management all it was weed. Now you shouldn't

1484
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 4: be low man. Yeah there flying like a kite.

1485
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 3: Did you smoke while you played?

1486
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

1487
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 2: So what would you do the past? The drug test

1488
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 2: at my house when we were playing, So what would

1489
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 2: you so? What would you do the past test?

1490
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 5: You don't have to pass the test once a year?

1491
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, what was what was your last? What was

1492
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 3: your last?

1493
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 5: Two thousand and three?

1494
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 3: So I want to say, was it five?

1495
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 2: When it changed? It used to go from one because

1496
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 2: I came into three. It was one random until like five,

1497
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: and then it was four. It was excuse me, not

1498
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 2: one one preseason test because we'd all be rolled up

1499
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 2: in the car waiting for it to get that So

1500
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 2: you never had the four.

1501
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 6: Two thousand and three was going down down.

1502
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1503
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, did you take one test and you was good?

1504
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 3: What were you talking about?

1505
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean before that it was no test. I

1506
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 5: mean that that didn't that didn't pop off until ninety nine.

1507
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 3: That's when I started.

1508
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 5: That's when I started. Yeah, ninety nine. Yeah, before then,

1509
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 5: they didn't even test for weed. Right after that lockout. Yeah,

1510
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 5: it was after that lockout, after Berkeley slept ship out

1511
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 5: Oakley sp.

1512
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 7: There.

1513
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, all kind of told us about it.

1514
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 5: No, man, that was I mean ship it was a

1515
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 5: big players meeting. Man, I you know, it happens fast, man.

1516
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 5: You know, Okay, my boy, man, that's that's my dog,

1517
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 5: no doubt. He is definitely the big homie. He's one

1518
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 5: you're not gonna talk and mouth off to know they happened. Man,

1519
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 5: he's that ship out child Stocktor snaps. You have one

1520
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 5: of the biggest dispersements in Seattle.

1521
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,759
Speaker 6: Three. Excuse me, kimp cannabis.

1522
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, kept cannabis were doing it, bro.

1523
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 6: It is succeeding. Succeeding in the cannabis space isn't easy.

1524
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 6: What do you feel like you've done? Correct?

1525
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 5: Man? I think just reach out to the community. Be

1526
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 5: a part of the community. First of all, is what

1527
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 5: you have. That's who's supporting you. That's who supports you. Say,

1528
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 5: you gotta you gotta, you gotta reach out to the community.

1529
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 5: You gotta be there for him. You gotta respect them,

1530
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 5: you gotta develop a relationship with them, and uh, you

1531
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 5: gotta have some fire obviously.

1532
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 4: So you also got to let them know that you

1533
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 4: ain't playing because when you steal my ship, I'm gonna

1534
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 4: pull up and let off a couple of shots.

1535
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 6: Yeah that too, that too, Yeah, that too, that too,

1536
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 6: that too. Mind the motherfucker heartbeat.

1537
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 3: You figured out a side?

1538
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 6: Yeah that too? Yeah, I love it.

1539
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 3: Quick hitters man, first team to come to mind and

1540
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 3: let you let us know.

1541
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 6: We dunk contests, including yourself U plus four dunckers.

1542
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 5: Man, you know, I would love to love to see

1543
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 5: Vince Carter it one. Dwight Howard. Definitely, I got a

1544
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 5: lot of respect for doing Vin Dominique Wilkins, no doubt

1545
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 5: about it, bro. Yeah. And the reason I say that

1546
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 5: is because when we watch these dunk contests. Now, we

1547
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 5: watched them, but we're not feeling it. We're not feeling that.

1548
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 5: We're not feeling the thundery. We're not feeling that. Yeah,

1549
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 5: it's just been you know they we we finger tip Duncan. Now,

1550
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 5: let's just keep it real, man, we finger tip Duncan now.

1551
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 6: Dugging at dunk contest. I was dugging in the gang.

1552
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 6: I gotta stop it.

1553
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 5: Fingertip dunk. You don't feel that power? And I think yeah,

1554
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 5: with them guys, definitely. I think that's what the fans

1555
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 5: want to see when it comes to dunk. It's not

1556
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 5: so much in between the legs. It's not so much

1557
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 5: all fancy stuff. They actually want to feel that power.

1558
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 5: They want to see the explosiveness and you attacking the

1559
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 5: rim and trying to shatter the backboarders. They don't want

1560
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 5: to see all that cute shit. All these guys are

1561
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 5: getting so cute. They're cute and then they barely dunked about.

1562
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 5: They actually want to see. They want to see some

1563
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 5: thunder man motherfucker down, absolutely man. And I think That's

1564
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 5: what people had so much respect from my game as

1565
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 5: being that I played with that aggressiveness, you know, and

1566
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 5: being able to do this aggressive moves and these aggressive dunks.

1567
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 5: Not just in the first quarter you're doing but you're

1568
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,560
Speaker 5: doing it in the fourth quarter. You're doing it in

1569
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter with two minutes to go. When you're

1570
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 5: able to consistently do those things, then there's going to

1571
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:41,520
Speaker 5: be attraction.

1572
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 6: To you game.

1573
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: You spoke on Dwhite Howard, and you respect this game.

1574
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 2: I got a chance to play with him. He was

1575
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 2: absolutely incredible. Bad situation coming with the Lakers with the

1576
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 2: hurt back. But what impressed you about Dwhite?

1577
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 5: Well, I watched Dwhite Howard for years, and I was

1578
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 5: always amazed how agile he was to be able to

1579
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 5: get from one in the court to the other end

1580
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 5: of court, to be able to control the rebound and

1581
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 5: be able to get a dunkey and at the other

1582
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 5: at the other end of the court. And your best

1583
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 5: big mens used to be able to get from A

1584
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 5: to B real quick. Nowadays you see your best big

1585
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 5: man's they slow and methodical. You know, you got your

1586
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 5: boy from Denver, he slow, you guy from Dallas. I mean, hey,

1587
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 5: Luka is a great player, but he's really slow with

1588
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 5: the basketball, man, really really slow. So you know, to

1589
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 5: see the white back then go from point A to

1590
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 5: point B man and be able to control the board,

1591
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 5: get the ball and dunk it so quickly. That was

1592
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 5: very impressive. Yeah, I was a press vise game.

1593
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 6: You have a childhood crush. Who's your childhood crush growing up? Man?

1594
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 5: My childhood crush? Well yeah, I mean you know, uh

1595
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 5: my childhood my childhood crush.

1596
01:18:58,960 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 6: Man.

1597
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 5: We actually actually became good friends, man. But uh, Salt

1598
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 5: pepper Man, no doubt, man, Salt Peppering was always I

1599
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 5: always had a lot of respect for Salt pepper.

1600
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 6: Man, and as we all did.

1601
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and then we we gotta we got a

1602
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 5: chance to become friends when I was playing and stuff.

1603
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 5: So it was definitely without a doubt. I always thought

1604
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 5: the two sisters is good.

1605
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 3: One thing you wish you were better at.

1606
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 5: Man, Uh, one thing got be better at man. I

1607
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 5: take all of us all we we all want to

1608
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 5: be better fathers to our kids, you know, I tak

1609
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 5: it's a challenge for all of us always to be

1610
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 5: a better person in life.

1611
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 6: You know.

1612
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 5: With myself, I think, uh I have a lot of

1613
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 5: respect for people. Therefore, you want to make these these

1614
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 5: changes to yourself. There not only yourself benefit, but the

1615
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 5: people around you benefit also. So just staying on top

1616
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 5: of your game, always remind yourself to stay on top

1617
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 5: of your game, be the best that you can be

1618
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 5: is a daily reminder from my self. And you know

1619
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 5: not to not to back down from any challenges, to

1620
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 5: face them on, work hard as you always have done,

1621
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:08,520
Speaker 5: and uh and be successful.

1622
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 3: Love it. One album you can listen to with no skips?

1623
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 5: Oh man, I would have to say Wu Tang Clan,

1624
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 5: no doubt about it. Yeah yeah, thirty six Chambers and

1625
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 5: some of my boys right there. Man, you know, I

1626
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 5: look at them. We started off about the same time.

1627
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 5: We Yeah, our career started off about the same time.

1628
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1629
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, we know each other as well. I actually met

1630
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 5: the Wu Tang in New York before they even came

1631
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 5: out with their album. Yeah so I and we still

1632
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 5: good friends to this day.

1633
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1634
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 3: So my fiance is best friend with his wife.

1635
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 5: Okay, he's a man. Yeah yeah, absolutely guilty pleasure, guilty pleasure.

1636
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 3: Man.

1637
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 5: Right now, I would probably say my golf.

1638
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 2: Game, golfing, Yeah, bring your clubs out golf gametet play

1639
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 2: my love.

1640
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 5: I man I play. I like to play two three

1641
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 5: times a week. But man, I tell you, I'll tell

1642
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 5: you right now. I hit the ball along and straight.

1643
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 5: But I got no short game. I ain't got the

1644
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 5: patience for this. Be ready to tear half that ship up,

1645
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 5: the balls all that ship. I'm like, I missed that

1646
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 5: little short lived the little plutts.

1647
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 6: Man.

1648
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 5: It's like, come on, man, I got this ball.

1649
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 2: All the way down, so you stay sucking up a

1650
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: good drive.

1651
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 5: Man, I fuck it up.

1652
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, sir, one guess you would like to see all

1653
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 4: the smoke, but you have to help us get your

1654
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 4: answer on the show.

1655
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I think without a doubt. Man, you gotta

1656
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 5: have me and Gary Paytone over here to say yes, yes,

1657
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 5: we can do it in Seattle. Well, yeah we can

1658
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 5: do it. We can do it live.

1659
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 2: Don't play game, don't play games with us, bro, we

1660
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 2: can do this, man. We can do a live show

1661
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 2: about it.

1662
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 5: Yes, live show.

1663
01:21:58,880 --> 01:21:59,759
Speaker 3: We'll take care of everything.

1664
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 5: That's gonna be crazy. Hell yeah it, no doubt about it.

1665
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1666
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 5: Yeah. Catfish Corner, Yeah, Catfish Corner. Yeah, Fish Corner. They

1667
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 5: bring us some good corner brand and the green team

1668
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 5: pulling enough team. Oh my god, we've had everybody in

1669
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 5: the sun.

1670
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 6: Man.

1671
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 2: But I really enjoyed this, sir. It's been a blessing.

1672
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 2: You're someone that don't really get out and talk too much.

1673
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 2: That's why to me, it was so important to just

1674
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 2: get out and talk to your ship.

1675
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 5: No, thank you, man, I appreciate you guys calling me Man.

1676
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 5: Proud of y'all too for what you're doing. Man, your

1677
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 5: game is strong in this business. Just keep doing what

1678
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 5: you're doing. There's always gonna be some some just keeping

1679
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 5: what you're doing.

1680
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 2: No vision, man, that's a wrap. The one and only

1681
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 2: Sean Kemp need to be a Hall of Famer.

1682
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 6: So with bullshit.

1683
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 2: And you can catch this on all the Smoke Production

1684
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 2: YouTube and the DraftKings Network.

1685
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 3: Man, we'll see y'all next week.