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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, could I please have your attention?

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Speaker 2: This is a Patriots Unfiltered emergency podcast.

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Speaker 3: All of you to stop what you're.

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Speaker 4: Doing, presented by Toyota's official website.

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Speaker 5: For deals, buy a Toyota dot com. All right, I'm

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Speaker 5: not sure it qualifies as an emergency, but I think

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Speaker 5: it's uh yeah, I think it's enough news where it

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Speaker 5: warrants a special podcast, you know, so we're not gonna

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Speaker 5: be talking till tuesday, right, so I didn't want to wait.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, this was the right move.

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Speaker 6: We got coordinators, coordinators here, so coordinate.

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Speaker 5: It's Deuce at s Evan, it's Paul, it's me, Matt Nabooth.

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Speaker 5: And uh, of course, what prompted this is the hiring

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Speaker 5: of Alex van Pelt yesterday as offensive coordinator. And that

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Speaker 5: rounds out the coordinator positions.

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Speaker 6: Of well, yeah, I mean all of them are official.

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Speaker 6: The other two were reported. Yeah, no, it's all official.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that was the release came out, so we're

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Speaker 5: free to talk freely about that. And also I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, again it's just a report, but I'm encouraged

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Speaker 5: that they're looking for a new offensive line.

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Speaker 6: Coachah that too, And also just right now. News news

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Speaker 6: out right now that Steve Belichick and and Vinie Sinceri

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Speaker 6: are interviewing with Washington with Jed Fish and his Washington

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Speaker 6: Husky Husky the commanders. Okay, a little bit of juggling

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Speaker 6: going on right now for sure across the board with

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Speaker 6: all the coaches.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, so let's let's start up. You know,

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Speaker 5: so the news came so just little insider, we heard

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Speaker 5: that Alex van Pelt was in the building and apparently

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Speaker 5: they didn't leave, let him leave until he signed. So

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Speaker 5: you know when you heard that, yes, what did you think?

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Speaker 5: And now that they've signed him, what do you think?

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Speaker 7: Me go first, all right, I like it.

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Speaker 6: I mean I'm not I'm not blown away by it,

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Speaker 6: but I like the fact that he's an experienced guy

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Speaker 6: that he's been around. He seems like he's got a

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Speaker 6: good reputation for, you know, working with quarterbacks. I mean,

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Speaker 6: we talked on the show this year about the you know,

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Speaker 6: admirable job that Cleveland did going through four quarterbacks, so

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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 5: He was part of that and he deserves credit.

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Speaker 6: I'm excited just that it's a new offense, It's something new.

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Speaker 7: To kind of understand.

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Speaker 6: And you know, Evan will will jump into, you know,

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Speaker 6: some of what his impressions are of that offense, but overall,

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Speaker 6: you know, it's just I think, look, we're we're rebuilding now,

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Speaker 6: and you know you have to kind of hire the

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Speaker 6: guys that are willing to come in and take this challenge,

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Speaker 6: you know, of not really having a lot to work with.

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Speaker 6: So I like it has He hasn't called plays. There

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Speaker 6: are certainly he's kicked around a little bit, so there

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Speaker 6: are some concerns as far as that.

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Speaker 7: But I mean, honestly, with the end.

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Speaker 6: Of the day, when you think about what kind of

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Speaker 6: guys you're going to be getting, you're not going to

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Speaker 6: get a perfect candidate probably here. So I think I

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Speaker 6: think it's a good hire, you know, but we'll have

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Speaker 6: to see how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Evan.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we can get into the scheme stuff. Just in general,

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Speaker 3: you do hear a lot of good things about his culture,

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Speaker 3: that he's a culture builder, a guy that players really

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Speaker 3: people in Cleveland were a little bit taken aback and

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Speaker 3: maybe even disappointed that him and Stunt Mitchell and some

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Speaker 3: of the other staff was let go. I think that's

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Speaker 3: a big part of it that we should discuss as well.

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Speaker 3: They're running backs coach Stumpt Mitchell is one of the

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Speaker 3: best in the business and he's a free agent, so

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Speaker 3: it's a potential guy that could come here. They also

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Speaker 3: parted ways with their tight ends coach that was on

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Speaker 3: Van Pelt's staff, so maybe those two guys end up

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Speaker 3: here in New England in the same roles with the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: So I love the experience. I think when you look

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Speaker 3: at the other three coaches really, including Girodmeo, there wasn't

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Speaker 3: one thing that worries me is that they made a

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Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson. They have to make Deshaun Watson work and

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Speaker 3: it wasn't a good fit for the things that they

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Speaker 3: draft and say, is Jaden Daniels really a fit now

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Speaker 5: Well, we'll get out, we'll get into that. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's no time limit here, but you know, a week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, And I would agree with the boys. I

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Speaker 1: like the experience factor. We've made a lot of a

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Speaker 1: lot of these guys hadn't really ever worked with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: He has, So I like those kinds of elements. Eighteen

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Speaker 1: his reputation. I heard some of the same stuff that

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Speaker 1: Evan did about players coach. You know, he was well

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Speaker 1: Cleveland it wasn't necessarily a Stefanski decision. It was high

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Speaker 1: I like him even more now, well, yeah, because it's

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Speaker 1: not necessarily like Kevin Stefanski. I think he's done a

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Speaker 1: I got to get rid of this coordinator. He's not

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Speaker 1: doing the job. It was, you know, above him. So

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Speaker 1: I do feel better about it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, one of your guys. Paul was on the

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Speaker 5: he was saying the same thing. He said, people in

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Speaker 5: performance driven decision over there.

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Speaker 1: No, because if you look at the performance, it's exactly

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Speaker 1: what Mike said. I mean, he said he won games

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Speaker 1: with four different quarterbacks, forced to use five, and they

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Speaker 1: lost Nick Chubb, who was by far and away their

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Speaker 1: those are all the pluses, I would say. The minuses

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Speaker 5: But that's just a job.

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Speaker 1: That's just a me thing. Yeah no, but that's the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was what I was getting at as well.

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Speaker 3: Their scheme, their run scheme is fantastic. It's diverse, it's

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Speaker 3: they were a wide zone team. That was what they did.

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Speaker 3: And then, like a lot of these wide zone teams,

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Speaker 3: Paul's point, it's just that's the type of offense that

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Speaker 3: runs play action off of all the run action, and

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Speaker 3: that's how they're going to try to generate their big

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Speaker 5: Now this guy, before he was at Cleveland, he was

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Speaker 5: Elliott Wolf was at Green Bay. So is this an

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Speaker 1: Could influence tiring they did?

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Speaker 6: They touched, Yeah, Well, he's got a couple of connections

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Speaker 6: Paul for Flacco. Obviously you're a big Flaco fan. And

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Speaker 6: so you got you know, you have some connections to him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, hey Alex so yeah, you know Drew.

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Speaker 1: I know Drew. I don't need him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so isn't too awesome?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I know that.

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Speaker 1: Again, I don't need him.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So you think Evan he comes in with a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that Schematically, when you watch their their film,

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Speaker 3: the best thing that they do is run the ball

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Speaker 3: at least with a guy like Deshaun Watson who wants

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Speaker 3: So that's gonna be interesting in Cleveland if that's the

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Speaker 5: Going to move it. So what I'm getting at is,

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Speaker 5: do you think now that now that we've got Alex

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Speaker 6: I mean, so Ian Rappaport was on the radio or

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Speaker 6: it was on TV, you know, within the last hour

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Speaker 6: basically saying that he's going to be heavily involved with

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Speaker 6: the development of whoever the next quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't listen to it.

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Speaker 5: I saw the quotes, but the selection who they select, right, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, and I do agree with what Evan's

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Speaker 1: talking about now, the things that we don't know, like

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Speaker 1: just as a we're writing this stuff up. As you said,

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Speaker 1: you know, we sort of got word that Alex Vappelt

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Speaker 1: a little prepared. And I just did you know elementary

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Speaker 1: Google search, just like you know Kevin Stefanski's offense, you know,

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Speaker 1: and everything that stack. Yeah, well Evan just talked about

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Speaker 1: is like, you know, the heavy play action misdirection. I

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Speaker 3: If I was the Patriots, I would run the card

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, Now, I also heard that Van Pelt

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Speaker 1: So he was here.

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Speaker 5: I think it's important anyway. I don't care who is

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Speaker 1: And I'm encouraged, Like we you and I talked on

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Speaker 7: He was in Alabama yesterday.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's it's now, it's it gives you a

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Speaker 3: Everybody was speaking of Flacco. He is a free agent.

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Speaker 1: So cle One didn't necessarily think that that offense couldn't

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Speaker 1: work with a different kind of quarterback. So I don't

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Speaker 1: dismiss it that you can make some adjustments to your

438
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Speaker 1: scheme and figure out how to be successful. I think

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Speaker 1: they lost so much personnel Cleveland last year they had

440
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Speaker 1: to find something, some kind of a niche that they

441
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Speaker 1: could be successful with and to turn out to be flaccoah,

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Speaker 1: you know, throwing play actions.

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Speaker 5: I'd hate to be a coordinator in this league defense

444
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Speaker 5: or offense and be pegged as this is what I do,

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Speaker 5: and this is only what I do.

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I mean that's I wouldn't mind it

447
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Speaker 1: if I did it.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, well that's a good point.

449
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Speaker 6: But everybody's got their thing right that they believe in

450
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Speaker 6: and what they've come up and how they've learned it,

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Speaker 6: you know, And that's and that's I mean.

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Speaker 5: You can't but like work pretty well from mcvehish and

453
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Speaker 5: all of a sudden you're on a team with Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 5: Maybe you need to believe in something else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, of course, yeah, And you got to evolve.

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Speaker 6: And I mean I think that's probably what's going on

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Speaker 6: now with Mayo and him and you know, and and

459
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Speaker 6: grow and and you know, they're all coming together and

460
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Speaker 6: trying to figure out what what is this offense going

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Speaker 6: to be because I mean, it's not going to be

462
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Speaker 6: just he's going to come in and just run his offense.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think they're going to have to have

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Speaker 6: some input from the coaches, some collaboration.

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Speaker 1: That's my point though about the personnel, fred I would

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Speaker 1: hate to be a coordinator that said, no, I don't

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Speaker 1: want Caleb Williams. He doesn't fit my system.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: You have a bad system if you can't adapt it

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Speaker 1: to the guy who has the most talents coming out

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Speaker 1: of come on out of college, you know, I know,

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Speaker 1: Patrick mahomes will not work and this, I mean, that's stupid.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to be pigeonholed like that. But if

474
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Speaker 1: I have a system that works and good players can

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Speaker 1: adapt to my system, like like I said, McVeigh and

476
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Speaker 1: Shanahan have very specific you know, it's it's very similar

477
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Speaker 1: that you know, it's kind of the same offense, just

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Speaker 1: out of like different personnel groups, right, you know, like

479
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Speaker 1: like the Rams use a lot of three receiver Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was, you know, less full back when just watching

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Speaker 1: it since last night, I would say that this Brown's

482
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Speaker 1: offense mimics more like what the Lions are doing in

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Speaker 1: Detroit than what the Shanahan tree is doing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, because of how much power scheme they run. They

485
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Speaker 3: run a lot more counter trap you know, tackle wrap duo.

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Speaker 3: Like it's not as much of the wide zone stuff

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Speaker 3: as it was a couple of years ago with Stefanski.

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Speaker 3: But you can adapt it to Jaden Daniels. I just

489
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Speaker 3: think that now you're adapting it, right, and now they're

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Speaker 3: kind of outside their comfort zone. The quarterback is the

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Speaker 3: coordinator is sort of learning a new thing as well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the easiest way to adapt it is what

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Speaker 3: the Dolphins have done with Tua, which is running pistol

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Speaker 3: and you run all the same boot actions, but you're

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Speaker 3: running it out.

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Speaker 1: Of which is what they started to do with Watson

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Speaker 1: when he finally started to play well.

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Speaker 3: I would figure that as soon as that was a

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Speaker 3: big thing that McDaniel started to do when he got

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Speaker 3: to Miami, because Tua's doesn't love being under center. He's

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Speaker 3: a shorter quarterback. He doesn't love being under center, and

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Speaker 3: so they put him in the pistol. And now you

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Speaker 3: can still make the same bootleg stretch sort of action

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Speaker 3: and turn your back to the line of scrimmage, but

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Speaker 3: you're doing it from a more comfortable spot than than

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Speaker 3: under center for the quarterback. So maybe that it's as

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Speaker 3: simple as that, and and now you have a solution.

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Speaker 3: But it's a problem I'd love to have with Jayden daniels. I.

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Speaker 3: I just if you told me, like, who's the most

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Speaker 3: ideal quarterback to have in this offense, it's it's not

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Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels.

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Speaker 5: So I was listening to UH one of Paul's stations

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Speaker 5: last night and old friend Andy Hart was on with

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Speaker 5: Keith and Andy.

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Speaker 1: Hated hated, doesn't really.

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Speaker 5: He wanted he wanted Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I thought he wanted Nick Kayley wanted but he said,

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Speaker 1: I think that's his first choice.

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Speaker 5: But I think, you know, he would have rather have

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Speaker 5: Josh McDaniels than I don't want the.

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Speaker 7: Full to come back as.

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Speaker 1: They use a little bit of.

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Speaker 5: He hated this, and like you, I think it was

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Speaker 5: I think it was just a little bit nied. But listen,

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Speaker 5: I'm encouraged that they went out of their comfort zone

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Speaker 5: me too. You know, interviewed a lot of people, settled

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Speaker 5: out a guy who hasn't been here before, although he

528
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Speaker 5: does have the connection perhaps to Elliott Wolf. But that's great.

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Speaker 5: And it sounds like they're looking at other positioned coaches

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Speaker 5: as well on offense, which is you know double great.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, seems like the running back coaches coaching, you know,

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Speaker 6: is this interviewing with Washington too?

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Speaker 7: Right now?

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Speaker 6: So you know what's gonna happen with Troy Brown who

535
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Speaker 6: was down in the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 7: Is he gonna you know, stick around?

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Speaker 6: So I mean it's I guess that's you know, as

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Speaker 6: Evan said, I think the offensive line coaches is a

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Speaker 6: big one coming up. Is there going to be a

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Speaker 6: quarterback coach maybe coming with him or is he going

541
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Speaker 6: to serve in that dual role. But that's you know,

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Speaker 6: we're kind of checking boxes going down the line right now.

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Speaker 5: But now that the that the coordinators are in place,

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Speaker 5: hopefully the other stuff will happen quick.

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Speaker 6: And is it going to be a big staff, you know,

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Speaker 6: Like that's what I'm wondering now, like they you know,

547
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Speaker 6: we're notoriously a small staff with Bill. Are they going

548
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Speaker 6: to get away from that? Are they going to try

549
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Speaker 6: to expand a little bit and bring more guy?

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Speaker 1: I think it'll look bigger because I think Mayo told

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Speaker 1: you that at his press commence that titles do matter

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Speaker 1: to him. So I don't think you're going to have

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Speaker 1: four or five guys behind the scenes doing stuff that

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Speaker 1: you don't know. I think there'll be someone, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: What it'll be coach wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: They'll have that like everybody else does, but control coach. Yes,

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Speaker 1: maybe they'll have those which that they never really they

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Speaker 1: just have like these random coaching assistants because they don't,

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Speaker 1: you know, because Bill never believed. Yeah, he never believed

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Speaker 1: in the titles.

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Speaker 3: And I think, yeah, I think you look at a

563
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Speaker 3: lot of the staffs around the league. That was like

564
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Speaker 3: quality control coaches or whatever. Some teams just call them

565
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Speaker 3: offensive defensive assistants that are just there to hand the handle,

566
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Speaker 3: like the spillage. You know, just what what's left over that,

567
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Speaker 3: you know, not all these guys and all that kind

568
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Speaker 3: of stuff when you start talking about all that kind

569
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Speaker 3: of stuff, like should the wide receiver coach really be

570
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Speaker 3: doing that or is there bigger things, you know, bigger

571
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Speaker 3: fish to fry for these position coaches?

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Speaker 5: At times you might know the seven is patting plays

573
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Speaker 5: something that the Patriots only do or do all teams do?

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Speaker 5: I think all teams do it, but they made it

575
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Speaker 5: like it was like something they invented.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a massive Belichick thing.

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Speaker 1: Oh is it? It's amazing he spent in the length.

578
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Speaker 1: He's been gone for less than a month now.

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Speaker 5: But but you say all teams do it.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure all teams have some sort of system. But

581
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Speaker 3: Bill was notoriously picky too, Like if you had a

582
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Speaker 3: guy that you had him at the seven technique instead

583
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Speaker 3: of the nine technique, you're getting chewed out right, Like

584
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Speaker 3: it was like that detailed, and I think it was

585
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Speaker 3: this like the manner in which it was recorded, like

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Speaker 3: as technology improved, he wanted it done the same way.

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Speaker 3: According to some of those guys that, like I told you,

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Speaker 3: I used to you know, that was one of the

589
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Speaker 3: original features I did. Was with Josh and Brian Dable

590
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Speaker 3: when they were doing that right, and you know, we're like,

591
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Speaker 3: we try to tell him, like, you know, there's there's

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Speaker 3: more like computerized weight.

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Speaker 1: No, he wanted it. I haven't just said by hand

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Speaker 1: and exact Yeah, but I love I loved though, like

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Speaker 1: say like that they like invent everything.

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Speaker 5: Oh now we can say that. I guess obviously, padding

597
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Speaker 5: plays it makes you kind of learn because you're down

598
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Speaker 5: in the weeds. But there are electronic ways to do

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Speaker 5: it a lot faster.

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Speaker 1: I would think, Yeah, now I don't know how they

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Speaker 1: do it now. That was that was quite a while ago,

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Speaker 1: but I know that Bill was sort of that it

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Speaker 1: needed to be.

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Speaker 5: He had one of our videos that had I forget

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Speaker 5: who it was one of the older coaches that came

606
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Speaker 5: decided to become a coach at like forty or something

607
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Speaker 5: like that. It was a big discussion with his wife,

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Speaker 5: forget his name. We did a do your Job on

609
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Speaker 5: him and he was talking about Patting plays. Who was

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Speaker 5: that guy just last year? I think we did it

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Speaker 5: just last year. Yeah, one of our coaches that he

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Speaker 5: decided to become a scout or you know, at an

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Speaker 5: older age. No, no, no, this hope for you. No,

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Speaker 5: I'll have to It was a it was a you know,

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Speaker 5: a mini do your job about this guy. Oh no,

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Speaker 5: he might have been part of a bigger one. He was.

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Speaker 5: He was part of the scouting And there was a

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Speaker 5: segment about this guy who you know, made this decision

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Speaker 5: that I want to do this. I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 5: make sacrifices. I talked to my wife, We're gonna have

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Speaker 5: to downsize, but this is what I really want to do.

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Speaker 6: You don't call his name acall all right?

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Speaker 1: Not recall all right? Doesn't.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure one of our listeners will will educate me

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Speaker 5: on our own content. All right. Eight five five PATS

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Speaker 5: five hundred is our ace ticket hotline web radio at

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Speaker 5: pages dot COM's the email address. The phone lines are stacked,

628
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Speaker 5: emails are coming in. Wow, so uh yeah.

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Speaker 7: They are stacked.

630
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Speaker 6: I thought that they were empty, but they're actually completely full.

631
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Speaker 5: So let's start with Arthur in New York. What's up, Arthur?

632
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Speaker 4: Hey, how's it going. Fred told me to call back,

633
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 4: So I had a couple of things I wanted to say.

634
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Speaker 4: The first thing was actually to Evan though, when he

635
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Speaker 4: was talking about this offense under Van Pelt has Drake

636
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Speaker 4: May written.

637
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Speaker 5: All over it.

638
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 4: It fits him like a glove. This screams Drake May.

639
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 4: We got to run the card to the to the

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Speaker 4: pedestal or whatever it's called.

641
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Speaker 3: Well, my question is.

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Speaker 4: He spent more time odium thank you, He spent more

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Speaker 4: time in the Green Bay organization than he did in Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: So to assume that everything he's learned is just this

645
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Speaker 4: Thefanski offense, I don't think that we know that. And

646
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Speaker 4: also he spent more time in the Buffalo organizations than

647
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Speaker 4: he did in you know, Cleveland as well, and he

648
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Speaker 4: spent time in Tampa Bay and Cincinnati. And if we're

649
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Speaker 4: hiring a new OC, we got to hope that this

650
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: guy has his own bright ideas and then he's his

651
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Speaker 4: own mastermind, and that it's not just a copy and

652
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Speaker 4: paste the Fanski offense. But like you know, he's just

653
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Speaker 4: some sort of offensive genius like a Ben Johnson or

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Speaker 4: a Sean McVay or one of those.

655
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: Guys, you know, when you guys that run similar offenses.

656
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: But like, so I'm saying, how do we know that?

657
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 4: We just got to go get Drake May and he's

658
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 4: the ideal fit and it's not you know, Jayden Daniels

659
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: could be a better fit because we don't really actually

660
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 4: know what Alex van Pelts all about. He's been in

661
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: five six different organizations, learning under five six different coaching staff.

662
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Speaker 3: It's a fair point. I just I'm going off of

663
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: what I know, what we know, and what's the most

664
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Speaker 3: recent I mean, I don't know what I'm supposed to

665
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: do other than that, I can't. If you want to

666
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: go back ten years and look at his offense in

667
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: Green Bay, then we can do that, But it's what

668
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: has he been doing recently? What is his mo Mike

669
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: McCarthy also runs a more West Coast based system that's

670
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: similar to this, So that's what they're doing in Dallas

671
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: right now. So like, look, I every scheme can be

672
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: adapted to everybody can fit everything to an extent. But

673
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you what I think, and that is

674
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Speaker 3: that if you had to pick a quarterback out of

675
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Speaker 3: this class that fits what they do the best, it

676
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: would be Drake Made Does that mean that Jaden Daniels

677
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: would fail in this system automatically, No, of course not.

678
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 5: Well you adapt the system a little bit to him.

679
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And I would agree, Arthur, just that you

680
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 1: would more likely go to what a guy has been

681
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: doing most recently. You know, I know he's been in

682
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: a lot of systems, but I'm not really sure what

683
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: the buffalo from But you know, let me tell you

684
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: about twenty years ago would have to do with what

685
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: he's going to do now.

686
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: That was the one time he actually did a call plays. Yeah,

687
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: it was Ryan Fitzpatrick, who is the quarterback who's the

688
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 4: opposite of West Coast. Ryan Fitzpatrick's gunslinger. Let's throw it,

689
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: let's go.

690
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: Crazy, right, and he hasn't done that in fifteen years,

691
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: So what does that tell you about his mentality?

692
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: But he's learned in four different other offenses, So to

693
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: just assume that it's the fanski I think is yeah, No.

694
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: You're right, definitely, You're right. We won't we don't want

695
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: to just assume. But I'm just asking what do you

696
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: think is most likely that he wants to be a

697
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: gunslinger throwing it all over the place, or he likes

698
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: this kind of a system that he's been in the

699
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: last four years.

700
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Speaker 4: Most likely is that a guy like Evan is an

701
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 4: up and coming reporter and until he sits down with

702
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 4: Alex van Felt and has a conversation that we don't know.

703
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: So you know, that's something I want to I want

704
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: to embrace the like the conflict. But he's just so snarky, like.

705
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 5: All right, thanks, Arthur.

706
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: He's a Jaden Daniels guy, if I remember.

707
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, he yelled at me yesterday for suggesting

708
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: that Jayden Daniels is a little bit of a project

709
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: in terms of a passer.

710
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 3: How dare you? But no, I understand what he's saying,

711
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: And no one's saying that Alex van Pelt doesn't have

712
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: the chops to like switch his offense or in a

713
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels. But I'm still saying that if they had

714
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: the choice, and they had the number one pick in

715
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: the draft, and they could choose any quarterback, and they

716
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: told me that this is this is your coordinator, I

717
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: would think that this would be the way that he

718
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: would gravitate towards. That's all.

719
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: And I'm also not saying that Jaden Daniels shouldn't be

720
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: taken because this guy's system is different. I would say,

721
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: adapt your system to Jayden Daniels. If you think Daniels

722
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: is worth that pick, well.

723
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 5: Hopefully we'll have Jerrad on the show at some point.

724
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: And you keep promising that.

725
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 5: Yeah. One of the questions that I want to ask

726
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 5: is with these coordinators, what's the one or two things

727
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 5: about each guy that convinced you that they're the guy?

728
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 5: You know? And when he gets Alex van Pelt, I

729
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 5: wonder what that is, you know, because obviously they must

730
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 5: have talked about kind of offense. Are you most comfortable

731
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 5: with what players? You know, blah blah blah. And then

732
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 5: at some point maybe they said to him, here's our

733
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 5: board or you know, I guess, and here's the quarterback

734
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 5: that we think we want to take. What do you

735
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 5: think about that? You know?

736
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I look, I have to go by what they

737
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: told me. I don't know how much of it was

738
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: lip servers or not. But Macro and Cam Williams insisted

739
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: that there is no board yet because you still because

740
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: you still have Senis Moore to go far enough in

741
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: terms of interviews, combine measurables, you know, testing numbers. Obviously

742
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: they have a film grade on everybody right?

743
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: Would you ask when the board is done if they

744
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: could forward that.

745
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: I asked for the PDP. They turned me to just

746
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: go and take a picture of it, but I yeah that.

747
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: So a lot of this I think is to to

748
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: be determined of what they you know, A big part

749
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: of it is leadership. Obviously it's a leadership position, so

750
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: a big part of it is mental makeup and leadership

751
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. But it's also football.

752
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: Iq Ski even fit all that stuff too, So there's

753
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: a long way to go.

754
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 5: Let's go to Zach in Pennsylvania. What's up, Zach?

755
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, how you doing good? Hey?

756
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 5: Good?

757
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 8: First of all, just first time caller, and I was

758
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 8: a little bummed yesterday when we heard the news break

759
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 8: two hours after last week's show, So I'm really happy

760
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 8: to hear that we're also doing an emergency pod today,

761
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 8: But just wanted to give my first main takeaways about

762
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 8: Van Pelt would mainly just be his experience with the quarterbacks.

763
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 8: I think it's huge and fourth them in his actual

764
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 8: play calling experience. I'm willing to look past that just

765
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 8: because he's also been an assistant for so long in

766
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 8: the NFL. That those two things together just give me

767
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 8: some relief and some optimism. Optimism that no matter what

768
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 8: we do at quarterback, whether it's a bridge guy or

769
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 8: in the draft, that like, we're going to have someone

770
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 8: who can can handle a quarterback maybe from start to finish,

771
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 8: or just get someone up to speed fast enough to

772
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Speaker 8: maybe move this along a little faster than maybe what

773
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 8: we were thinking two days ago. But my main question

774
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 8: for the group just done and then I'll take it

775
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 8: off the air, is you know, even yesterday we interviewed

776
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 8: twelve people and you know, with a list was dwindling

777
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 8: and kind of wasn't feeling so great about who was

778
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 8: left on the board. And then all of a sudden, this,

779
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 8: you know, Van Pelt guy comes out of nowhere, and

780
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 8: we hear about all this experience and how well respected

781
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 8: he is. So just thinking about how we were feeling yesterday,

782
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 8: and you know this the excitement that we have about

783
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 8: him today Van Telt coming like looking at that list

784
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 8: and Van felt like, do we think that this is

785
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 8: maybe the best that we could have gotten given the

786
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 8: situation just yesterday? It seems like a really good hire

787
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 8: and kind of excited to see what he does and

788
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 8: compared to the guys left on the board, like Kyley

789
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 8: and maybe this Angstrand guy, like even the San fran guys,

790
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 8: kind of looking forward to seeing what he can do.

791
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 8: So what are your thoughts on that?

792
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 5: Well, I think, you know, that's it's a tough question

793
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 5: to answer. It's just the best they could have done.

794
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 5: You know, maybe they could have thrown all the money

795
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 5: in the world and Ben Johnson would leave an lateral move.

796
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know. Could they have done better? Maybe,

797
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 5: But what I like about Van Pelt is he's actually

798
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 5: worked with quarterbacks before, you know, and we talked about,

799
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 5: you know, you're gonna have, you know, hopefully a rookie

800
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 5: quarterback that's going to have to be nurtured and brought up,

801
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 5: and it's not enough to have just been in oc

802
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 5: you know, you have to have worked with quarterbacks. And

803
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 5: we talked about experience. There's not a lot of experience

804
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 5: on this staff. This guy has it. He's been around

805
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 5: the block.

806
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: I think it's similar with a lot of the different

807
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: kid But those are the things that I put on

808
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: the plus side for Van Pelt. Yeah, now I would

809
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: put other things on the plus side of some of

810
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: the younger guys.

811
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 5: Just out of curiosity that tight pants.

812
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: Well, I wanted a tight pants guy. We got literally

813
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: the only one that doesn't wear tight pants. What would

814
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: you guys have thought if it was like a Kingsbury

815
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: or Frank.

816
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 7: Reich, I would have.

817
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: Been someone like that. A lot of experience. So I

818
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: like to say it was like the best they could

819
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: have done. I kind of do with you, Fred, It's

820
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: a hard question to answer. Yeah, I did like the

821
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 1: idea of like the Detroit guy Engstrom and he worked

822
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, and I thought it was all signs were

823
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: pointing to it. He was going to get that coordinator

824
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: job if Ben Johnson went to Washington. Obviously that didn't

825
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: work out. And I'm not telling you I would I

826
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: would feel better if it was him. I'm just saying

827
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: it would be different, you know, similar but different.

828
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 6: They all kind of have those I mean, all that

829
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 6: group of that, the guys that they interviewed, they all

830
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 6: were Kayley like, they all had some of these warts

831
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 6: of you know, and I mean I think what appeals

832
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 6: to me like with Kaylee was just like he was

833
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 6: not here for one year, Like how much Jiff different offense?

834
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 5: Right, And that's why I really interesting to hear from Mayo.

835
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 5: What's the one thing about Alex van Pelt that said, okay,

836
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 5: he's my guy? Yeah, Like, what was it? Yeah?

837
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: I think you look at it what the bands have

838
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: done recently. I kind of agree with you.

839
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 5: I was just joking.

840
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 6: I mean, let's speak about six fifteen hours.

841
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, I'll take it. Free coffee for life, I'll

842
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 5: take it.

843
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: I mean, Kingsbury, you mentioned who I love.

844
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: I know you were high.

845
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 5: I remember that coming here, Kaylee.

846
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: I think there's a story there that we're not gonna tell,

847
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: but there's there's something going on there. I think the

848
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 3: biggest thing is is that those guys come from systems

849
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: that use a lot more of like the modern tricks

850
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: like motion and things like that. So, second to last

851
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 3: team in the league last year in motion rate, the

852
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns.

853
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: How long are we hiding that from? Now?

854
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 5: We got another year?

855
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 3: You mopen the Cleveland Browns. I can't take this now,

856
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: I will say. I'll give him credit, he posted on

857
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: our po so's the motion that they do use is

858
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: well thought out motion. But they they're not like the

859
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: Niners tree or they're not They're not just running motion

860
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: on every single motion. Right, So they don't do they

861
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: don't do motion.

862
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 5: Uh.

863
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: They're not a they're not a big they run a

864
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: lot of eleven personnel. But they do love their jumbo

865
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 3: packages like they love they love to tight end.

866
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 5: Uh.

867
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: They love having alignment eligible who is actually listed on

868
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: the roster as a full back slash center. So a

869
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: guy named Nick Harris who is actually a free agent. Uh,

870
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: so he could go get him, he could be here. Uh.

871
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: He he plays like a jumbo package type of role

872
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: for their offense. So they're they're heavy group, you know,

873
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: heavy group, heavy personnel group for the most part, you know,

874
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 3: and especially their base offense. And and they're a stagnant group,

875
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: which i is what the Patriots were with McDaniels and

876
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: O'Brien and like that. That's it's not a it's not

877
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 3: this like Mike McDaniel. There's one guy going this way,

878
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 3: one guy going that way, and blockers blocking from odd

879
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: angles and stuff like that. It's not as much of that.

880
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And just so people know my little comment about

881
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: the full million that yesterday on one of my stations, Fred,

882
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: they threw out the there was evidently according to Jimmy's

883
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: phone on Felger and maz he was looking for. Nick

884
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: Cayley was looking for four million dollars, to which I said,

885
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: peace out, bro Like first time coordinator ever, never even

886
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: coach quarterbacks, let alone coordinated an offense, and he's looking

887
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: for more money than like Bill O'Brien was making.

888
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I heard, didn't Jimmy say a lot of

889
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 5: it had to do with moving, Like he wanted to

890
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 5: stay in the West Coast, but in order to decide

891
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 5: to move, like that's what he needed Jimmy.

892
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: Jimmy likes Elaine h Jesse in Houston?

893
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 5: What's up Jesse? Jessey up.

894
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: Show?

895
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 9: And I won't take my head off just this.

896
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: It's a suggestion.

897
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 9: I guess if Night is the guy for this off

898
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 9: and they're not sold on Daniels and Williams isn't available,

899
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 9: so they try and traight up, they can't get it.

900
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 9: Are we looking at the possibility of another year Mac Jones?

901
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 9: And then you know, I mean, if Mac Jones is

902
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 9: as bad as everybody's saying years, then we're really picking

903
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 9: high again next year anyways, regardless if we take Marvin Harrison, Junior,

904
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 9: jaw whoever.

905
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, so thanks Jef, you'll take that off the air.

906
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: It's a fair question. I really would be absolutely blown

907
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: away if Mac Jones is the quarterback of this team

908
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: next year, whether it's a bridge guy in free agency,

909
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: I think the one guy we really should be paying

910
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 3: attention to is Baker Mayfield. I think that if he's

911
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: somehow gets out of Tampa Bay or that turned sour,

912
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: that situation. Yeah, you know, Van Pelt was obviously with

913
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: him in Cleveland, so I would look at it.

914
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 5: It's kind of sad, you know, and you hate to

915
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 5: say this about anybody, but Mac's time up here I

916
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 5: think is done. And it's not even just about his

917
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 5: playing ability. I think that I don't want to call

918
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 5: him toxic, but there's a locker room you have to

919
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 5: worry about futurod Mayo and I don't have time. You can't.

920
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 5: I don't have time to be, you know, refereeing and

921
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 5: you know, talking for Matt say, hey, you know he's

922
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 5: a good you know, he's either he's either leading this

923
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 5: locker room or he's not. And I think that ship

924
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 5: has sailed. And I hate to say it, and I

925
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 5: hope Mac does well. Good kid, I wish him the best,

926
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 5: but I think his time here is done, and it

927
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 5: has probably less to do about his playing ability than

928
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 5: all the other stuff.

929
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 6: I agree so much, Fred, I've been thinking a lot

930
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 6: about that over the last couple of weeks. And you know,

931
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 6: there's always this little voice in the back of your

932
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 6: head of like Alex Van Peltz got a great reputation

933
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 6: with quarterbacks, you know, regardless of fit, Like you know,

934
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 6: could he possibly league?

935
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 7: You know, there's are some.

936
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 6: Skills that you still hear people say Mac Jones, you know,

937
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 6: if he gets But I'm with you. I think that's

938
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 6: what it comes down to. It's not even about the

939
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 6: on the field stuff. It's just a hard sell to

940
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 6: the defense. And you know, to Juwan Bentley and guys

941
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 6: like that, who have had two years of watching Mac

942
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 6: Jones turn the ball over consistently, doesn't really seem like

943
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 6: they love the way he presents himself to the team.

944
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 6: We talked about his leadership and you know, I'm gonna

945
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 6: run my race, and you know, I I on PC agree.

946
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: It's on field, off field, and I think if they

947
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: got stuck quote unquote, they don't like the guy at

948
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: three you know that, you know they, let's face it,

949
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: they have no control over the other two picks, right,

950
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: so if they don't like the third one that's left

951
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: for them and they couldn't move up to get the

952
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: one they wanted, and every option in free agency, because

953
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I still think if that were to happen,

954
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: you get a bridge guy, like we'resett or something, a.

955
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 5: Bridge guy draft a quarterback in the fourth or fifth.

956
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: But if you get stuck and you don't have anybody,

957
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: I still am trading Mac Jones. Yeah, and I'll let

958
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy play like if I get stuck and I

959
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: have absolutely nobody. I don't think Zappi is as sort

960
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: of polarizing as Mac is right now in the locker room.

961
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 3: I still think that there's a very viable path. There's

962
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 3: gonna be some end of the first round, second round

963
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in this class ye that have are going to

964
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: have starter grades, maybe not high end starter grades, but

965
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: are gonna have starter grades.

966
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 5: You know.

967
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 3: I think Michael Pennix is going to be a guy

968
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: that's going to go right in that twenty five to

969
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: thirty five range, probably end of the first round, just

970
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: to get the fifth year option. A bow Nicks, JJ McCarthy,

971
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: like those guys are going to be in that territory

972
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: that if you want to go Olofushanu Joel Marvin Harrison

973
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: at the top of the draft, you might have an

974
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: opportunity to get one of those.

975
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I say it in a very respectful way. You know,

976
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 5: Mac needs to go find his way somewhere.

977
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's hard to see it happening here.

978
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 6: And like, as much as you like can imagine a

979
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 6: world maybe where they just look at a blank slate,

980
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 6: but you got to compete. You're not not the starter.

981
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 6: And he goes out there and he plays well and

982
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 6: he starts, you know, he re earns people's respect. As

983
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 6: much as I want to sell that story to my

984
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 6: I can't buy it. I can't buy it.

985
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 5: It's more important. Will the remnants of last year buy it?

986
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 6: Yeah?

987
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 7: No, And that's the whole thing.

988
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 6: That's the whole thing is you know, I think it's

989
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 6: the last kind of vestige of what the problem was

990
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 6: last year. And yes, it wasn't all Max's fault, but

991
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 6: he was part of the problem too.

992
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 5: When it's time, Yeah, let's go to Matthew in Texas.

993
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 5: What's up, Matthew? Matthew and Texas, are you having us

994
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 5: on mute. No, Matthew, Matthew, he's there, but he just

995
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 5: won't speak. Okay, we'll go up to the top of

996
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 5: the stack to Dominic in New York. Hey, Dominic.

997
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 9: Hey.

998
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

999
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 10: So, you know, when I first started to Alexandill hiring,

1000
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 10: and obviously, like many others, had no idea really what

1001
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 10: he's done or what he did. But going to Zac's

1002
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 10: point with him just being so good at quarterbacks, and

1003
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 10: you know, Aaron Rodgers gave him, you know, a nice

1004
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 10: glow of you know, respect and admiration. It's kind of

1005
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 10: nice knowing that we have someone experience, especially with how

1006
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 10: young our defensive coordinator is. Jerry Springer's a young rising coach,

1007
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 10: you have to rod So it feels good because you

1008
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 10: guys did mention. It kind of feels nice to let

1009
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 10: the offensive offensive coordinators do what he does best, right

1010
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 10: and not really think about it too much, not worry

1011
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 10: about it too much, especially with as much experience that

1012
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 10: he has, So it feels like a safe tick. I'm

1013
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 10: honestly feeling better about this than if we picked up

1014
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 10: an unknown in Nick Kaylee. You know, even if he's

1015
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 10: enticing coming from asadamic bay Tree. But you know, the

1016
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 10: one thing here is Mac has been ruined, his confidence,

1017
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 10: you know, broken. It's kind of nice knowing no matter

1018
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 10: who we have it, even if it's a bridge quarterback

1019
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 10: or someone knew that the culture is really what Ja

1020
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 10: Rob Mayle was going for here. And then that's something

1021
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 10: that you know, will help hopefully motivate the players to

1022
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 10: play as hard as they can. You know, we see

1023
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 10: what motivation can do with certain teams and that's really nice.

1024
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 10: So you know, well, let's see how that goes. And

1025
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 10: one other thing I'm hoping for is that we see

1026
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 10: in this offense. I hope we see a return of

1027
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 10: the fullback. I've missed that, miss that we use them.

1028
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 10: I've seen how the team's down in Miami, San Francisco, Baltimore,

1029
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 10: your name, and how they use them. So I really

1030
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 10: hope they incorporates some real full back in the offense.

1031
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 5: So yeah, all right, thanks Domin. You know, it's I

1032
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 5: hate to harp on the pass, but I don't think

1033
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 5: you can underestimate the damage last not last year, but

1034
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 5: the year before UH was caused by bringing Patricia and

1035
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 5: Judge and putting them in charge of the offense. I think,

1036
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 5: you know, I think things were salvageable after you know,

1037
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 5: they got to the playoffs the year before, but you know,

1038
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 5: the season was going downhill. But I think that killed

1039
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 5: a lot of things. That was a that was a

1040
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 5: really bad move in whether it was morale and the

1041
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 5: coaching staff or morale in the locker room among your

1042
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 5: you know, you know for your quarterback that that had

1043
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 5: a lot of that did a lot of damage.

1044
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 6: What do you think could have been done? Like I'm

1045
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 6: just asking this, like, like is there a you know,

1046
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 6: it's hard to go because Josh is Josh, and I

1047
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 6: feel like there's no real like second option behind Josh

1048
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 6: to teach Josh's offense. So like it just seems like

1049
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 6: no matter what decision you made, you were going to

1050
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 6: switch the offense on Mac Jones, like you were going

1051
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 6: to lose any kind of continuity.

1052
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 5: But not switching the offense is one thing, But doing

1053
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 5: it with guys who have never done it before, No, Yeah,

1054
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 5: just doubled the frustration for a lot of people. And

1055
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 5: it wasn't fair. I stand by what I've said all along.

1056
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 5: It wasn't fair to Matt Patricia. You know, I still

1057
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 5: say he deserves thanks for giving it a go. It

1058
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 5: wasn't his fault and he was trying to learn too,

1059
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 5: But just the decision to do that had long lasting

1060
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 5: effects throughout that season, and it trickled into the next season.

1061
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: That's where I feel like the losing started to permeate

1062
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: the locker room. Yeah, the morale, the mopiness and all that,

1063
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 3: the frustration, that's where it really started. And I think

1064
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: they were caught in between a little bit because Nick

1065
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: Keyley was probably not quite ready yet to take the

1066
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator job on. But they couldn't get to Bill

1067
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 3: O'Brien yet, so that wasn't really there.

1068
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: It's easy have just done this.

1069
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there wasn't a ton of options in hindsight.

1070
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: Should they have probably just lived with the growing pains

1071
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 3: of a young staff with Nick Kayley. Maybe, but that's

1072
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: easy to say now, I suppose.

1073
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 5: Right, right, But you know, and and part of it,

1074
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 5: you know, once it happened, then Mac didn't handle it well,

1075
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 5: you know, and his lack of I think leadership made

1076
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 5: that situation even worse.

1077
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 7: It's just snowballed.

1078
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 6: And I mean, to Evan's point, you know, it's I

1079
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 6: even hear the guys saying, like, we don't have the answers.

1080
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 6: And I think that's got to be a hard way

1081
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 6: to enter a football game knowing that they throw curveball

1082
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 6: at us today, were in trouble, you know, and that

1083
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 6: that just going into a game, you feel like hand

1084
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 6: and so.

1085
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 5: Many you know, when you hear it in a lot

1086
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 5: of different stories, that writers right, it's you know, it's

1087
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 5: probably true, but you heard they didn't have answers, you know.

1088
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 5: And these guys are dogs. They you know, they're all

1089
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 5: alpha dogs. But somebody's got to be the alpha dog

1090
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 5: and they need to be led, you know. And when

1091
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 5: they think that you don't have answers, you're not putting

1092
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 5: them in the best spot to succeed. You're screwing with

1093
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 5: their career. You've lost them. You've lost them.

1094
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 6: That's the worst thing as a coach. Yeah, you know,

1095
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 6: if you don't, if you can't help your players put them.

1096
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 5: I'm a player. My time in this league is limited.

1097
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 5: I don't have time to waste seasons on you learning

1098
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 5: how to do offense right. You know, I underestimated that

1099
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 5: I thought that a head coach in this league could

1100
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 5: adapt down to pretty much anything. I was wrong when

1101
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 5: it came to specifically play calling, but going from a

1102
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 5: different side of the ball and leading it up, I

1103
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 5: guess it's not that easy.

1104
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: Well, and you know, I think Bill admitted the same thing.

1105
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: And it was a story that was relayed to me

1106
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: that happened in Vegas that year, the infamous lateral game,

1107
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: the Jacobe Myers Lateral game. That before that game, someone

1108
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: told me there was a conversation between Bill and Josh,

1109
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: and Bill told Josh I underestimated how much, how much

1110
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, went into it, you know, went into running

1111
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: an offense.

1112
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 5: See for Bill, I think all this is easy. Yeah,

1113
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 5: I think he could call it. I think he could

1114
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 5: call a game on offense with without a play sheet.

1115
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 3: Well you're just called lead isoh no, but everything's in it.

1116
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 5: I think he knows. I don't know.

1117
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: It's a deep dive.

1118
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 5: But but that's that's a that is a nerd joke,

1119
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 5: but it's a very good nerd Yeah, running leak?

1120
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: How hard is it? All that time on three?

1121
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 5: Okay, all of Evan's fandom like, that's the best line ever.

1122
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: I've given you my high school power, all right, twenty

1123
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: two lead it's on one and every once in a

1124
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: while we really got wild power. I left twenty three

1125
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: leads on one, but all on.

1126
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 6: What never first sound. I love the first sound. First sound.

1127
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: That was the only goal line.

1128
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but I that.

1129
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: Was how I scored first sound.

1130
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 5: All right, let's go to Todd in North Carolina. I

1131
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 5: hate Todd.

1132
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,959
Speaker 11: Hey, gentlemen, Hey, hey, I'm actually kind of excited about

1133
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 11: this because I feel like, just looking at his history

1134
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 11: and doing a little bit of research, he doesn't just

1135
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 11: hop around. He's not like McDaniel's. You know, I need

1136
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 11: to get that HC. I need to be the head

1137
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 11: cover somewhere. I think he'll stick around, and I think

1138
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 11: that's what we need because really Mac was a disaster

1139
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 11: because of the continuity, just the lack of you know,

1140
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 11: putting stuff in. Do I think that he fell below

1141
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 11: his you know, his initial floor. Yeah, I think he

1142
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 11: got just he just he went back to maybe high

1143
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 11: school level or something. And that's because there's no consistency.

1144
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 11: So I don't want to know if you guys feel

1145
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 11: like this guy's going to stay around, because if van

1146
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 11: Pelt stays around, we get a new cube.

1147
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 5: Well, you can argue the other one. Why hasn't If

1148
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 5: he's that good, why hasn't.

1149
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: He would be my argument, right, I just I've never

1150
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: heard his name mentioned in coaching, sir.

1151
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 3: Now, maybe if he starts to call plays and is

1152
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: successful with that, he could, but I, like, I would

1153
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 3: think that he's not on that track.

1154
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 6: Just be good, Like I don't really care, like, just

1155
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 6: be good, like if he if he's.

1156
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: Good, I mean, that's obviously the bottom line. But I don't.

1157
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: And I heard this a little bit on the other station,

1158
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: not Mine Your Morning, This Morning.

1159
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 5: Ninety five is your for all your station, Paul Radio.

1160
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: There was an argument then, that was the argument and

1161
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: they were saying, you know, it worries me that he's

1162
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: never you know, like like that they think he's going

1163
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: to stay and like and I would fall on that, like, yeah,

1164
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: it'd be great if he really bangs it out of

1165
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: the park and he's content to be a coordinator. That's

1166
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: a perfect world. But that's rare that Like, if he

1167
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: knocks it out of the park and he has like

1168
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he turns this offense, or in

1169
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: two years from now we're talking about him having one

1170
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: of the best offenses in football and he doesn't have

1171
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: any aspirations to do anymore, that would be really rare.

1172
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: That would be great. I agree Todd's right. If that happened,

1173
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: that would be awesome. But more likely he hasn't really

1174
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: been getting any of these opportunities because no one has

1175
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: been clamoring for him. That's the most likely scenario.

1176
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think when you look at a guy

1177
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: like that too, he's kind of missed the boat if

1178
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 3: he was wanting to make that jump. Because now the

1179
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 3: Bobby slow x and the Ben Johnson's like those are

1180
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 3: the hot names now on the offensive side of the ball,

1181
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: so on once your time has kind of skipped over.

1182
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: But if I'm Girodd as a defensive minded guy, I'm

1183
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: really mindful of succession plans on that side of the ball.

1184
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: Not just because Van Pelt could go to head coaching job,

1185
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 3: but maybe he ends up leaving to go someplace else

1186
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: because he likes it.

1187
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: And I want a guy who's kind of looking at

1188
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: it as a stepping stone because he thinks if I

1189
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: do the Bobby slowick and I go and I knock

1190
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: it out of the park.

1191
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to do great things.

1192
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: That's good, but that's good for my team. Like I

1193
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: never understand this. Right now, Boston College, we're going to

1194
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: talk about this. You know again, they lost their coach

1195
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: and they don't look at their job as a stepping

1196
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: stone school, and I think they should. I think they

1197
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: should embrace it because that would be good for them.

1198
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: But they want a guy who comes home, you know.

1199
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: They want a guy to come in and stay. Yeah,

1200
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: they don't want another Coughlin.

1201
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 3: They want Bill O'Brien, you know, Jared and Vermon.

1202
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: I think Bill O'Brien would be crazy to take that job.

1203
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: I really do.

1204
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 3: Let's see what really wants to stay here.

1205
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 6: Evan did a little sleuthing today because I might see Billy.

1206
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 7: O'Brien getting getting the jersey mics today.

1207
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I might have number.

1208
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1209
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 5: I didn't.

1210
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't that much of a weirdo fred. But I

1211
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 3: went to go up to the shelf that the takeout shelf,

1212
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: grab my sandwich, and there my sandwich is sitting here.

1213
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: There's a sandwich sitting next to it with the tag

1214
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 3: that says Bill O'Brien.

1215
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: And then you start looking around and I was like,

1216
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: I thought, he's gonna how long do I How long

1217
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: do I wait? Did you think of it? And You're

1218
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: like the meeting was coming out.

1219
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 3: I waited like a beat. I wasn't. I wasn't. I

1220
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 3: wasn't because who I am? So like if you walk

1221
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 3: through the door, like you know, absolutely and so like

1222
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I'll wait like ten seconds

1223
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 3: extra the normal, just to scond.

1224
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 5: He's gonna wait an anything.

1225
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 3: And then I was like, no, all right, I gotta go.

1226
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, this big chin comes.

1227
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 5: It just sucks it into a hole.

1228
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: Another one, another guy.

1229
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 3: I would have loved to have had a conversation with.

1230
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 5: Well, so yeah, he might even talk to you, yeah,

1231
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 5: Jared writes in wants to take a shot at the media.

1232
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 5: Cool He says, eleven offensive coordinator interviews and nobody reported

1233
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 5: the guy they hired was even in consideration. What gives

1234
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 5: that came in yesterday?

1235
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: I was hired Boom bang bang.

1236
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that is fair, though, I mean it was.

1237
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: I think Reese had the report yesterday that it was

1238
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 3: cooling on Nick Kayley.

1239
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: Yep, oh, I didn't see that these guys can be

1240
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: convinced that it was Kaylee on the show. No.

1241
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: I think yesterday Reese had a report on one of

1242
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 3: your show, Paul, that that Nick Keley the last couple

1243
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: of days that sort of had died down, but nobody

1244
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 3: had Alex van Pelt in terms of.

1245
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 5: The name Chad in Atlanta. While it's not the flashiest signing,

1246
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 5: it may be a signing that was needed. Obviously, Van

1247
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 5: Pelt isn't vying for a head coach position anytime soon,

1248
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 5: so this may be a long term move to solidify

1249
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 5: the OC position. That way, the next young quarterback doesn't

1250
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 5: have to worry about changing ocs after a few years

1251
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 5: like mac Jones did, especially since most of the available

1252
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 5: and hired OC candidates are looking to be head coaches eventually. Uh,

1253
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 5: a VP has the offensive experience that I think Mayo

1254
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 5: will need in an OC moving forward.

1255
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: I agree with that.

1256
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: I like the experience partner, and I love the.

1257
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 3: A v P. That's definitely gonna stay a VP. Yeah,

1258
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 3: it's just easier to say.

1259
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 5: So does Lion does he?

1260
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 4: Is?

1261
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,959
Speaker 5: He gonna bring his kids Linus and Lucy? With him?

1262
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 6: Oh right? Good? Fred didn't work on.

1263
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: The text yesterday?

1264
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 12: I did.

1265
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 5: You don't know?

1266
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't get it. It was over my head.

1267
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 5: You know, peanuts.

1268
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: No, I had no idea what you were talking about.

1269
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 5: You don't know, peanuts.

1270
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what Matt's children.

1271
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, but I was really young.

1272
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 5: Lucy and Lionis they were brother and sister and their

1273
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 5: last name was Van Pelt.

1274
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 6: Okay, it sounds like they come from money, and I

1275
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 6: just I never really saw that line up with like

1276
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 6: Linus and the Blanket and you know, like the Van Pelts,

1277
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 6: like they sound like you know what stra money?

1278
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 5: Right?

1279
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: They like from money?

1280
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: Well, mister Hollywood's got to think about this.

1281
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 5: Eric was so against the Peanuts remember that. No, oh no,

1282
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 5: it wasn't Eric was Andy.

1283
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 7: Andy didn't like I don't like stuff.

1284
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 5: They're not funny.

1285
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 7: They're not funny, but it's not funny.

1286
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 6: But you just put on the Halloween one and Halloween

1287
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 6: and the Christmas one at Christmas and maybe the Thanksgiving one.

1288
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 6: Was it every funny? I mean Pepper and Patty's inviting

1289
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 6: herself over and stuff. I mean, sorry, it's an emergency podcast.

1290
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 5: I can't talk serious. They chuck coming over.

1291
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 6: I'm bringing Marcy too, like like, come on, what are

1292
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 6: you doing?

1293
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 5: Christian says, did we forget? Did we forget? A VP

1294
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 5: also coached Aaron Rodgers Rogers was actually we forget?

1295
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: Everybody says he's so great with quarterbacks. That's the only

1296
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: one he ever had that had any accomplishment.

1297
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 5: Rogers was actually up to we forget wow. Rogers was

1298
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 5: actually upset and spoke with the media when they let

1299
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Speaker 5: him go. I would trade up for number one and

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Speaker 5: get Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how those two things are related, but sure,

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Speaker 3: I mean it could be a bad sign that he

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00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: didn't talk to me.

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Speaker 1: So I like that with a lot of quarterbacks mostly

1305
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: sort of average at best, ones like Trent Edwards and

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00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,479
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andy Dalton after his like good years,

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00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: I'll give him credit a little bit for Baker.

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00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 3: Baker was pretty good at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: That's where I said, I'll give him a little credit

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Speaker 1: for Baker's But you know, Aaron Rodgers is like the

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00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: only quarter I mean, let's face it, do we give

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00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: him Alex van Pelt credit for Aaron Rodgers or are

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00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: we just gonna assume Aaron Rodgers is pretty good?

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Speaker 6: That's all Alex Pelton, Okay, in my book told me

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00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 6: experience in.

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Speaker 5: The ground up Jason and Saint Petersburg. For everyone complaining

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01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 5: about Van Pelt getting fired from Cleveland and being a

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01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 5: bad hire, weren't you the same people begging for Mike

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01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 5: Rabel to be the head coach and he got fired

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01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 5: from Tennessee.

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01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Andy Harri absolutely, that's directed write it in all right,

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01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: not one because both of those are true.

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01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 5: No one down has been played, and we don't know

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01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 5: what the draft of free agency looks like. So please

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01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 5: chill out. Let's just see what happens. PS. Love the show,

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01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 5: and you guys and gals are great. Keep up the

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01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 5: good word.

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Speaker 3: I don't think any we're not freaking out about no

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01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 3: a VP. I'm going to sell that. But also Mike Rabel,

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01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: who happened to have a run in with him yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, did he say hi to you back?

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Speaker 7: Did you say hello?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: We said hello to each other.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 5: Yeah. John in La wants to know the show.

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Speaker 1: What do we need to fix that?

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01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 5: The Rabel thing?

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01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: Do we talk about that on the show yesterday?

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01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 5: What?

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01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: No? Okay? Evidently we didn't go ahead, move along, proceed

1342
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: all not for air.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: I was wondering if we were talking about that on

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01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: the air yesterday Mike Rabel, because I knew that they

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01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: had and I thought we might have talked about that.

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01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 5: On Oh no, we talught that they were on the plane.

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01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: Right, but not the one to Boston. Evidently not the one,

1349
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: So I think that changed. So we did talk about

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01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: it on the air. Yeah, so that to me, that

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01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: changes the concept the concept on the plane. We got

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01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: that information telephone, the game of telephone.

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Speaker 3: No, I got a funny story for about it. But

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01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 3: I'll tell you.

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01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 5: John in La says Arthur brought up this possibility. I

1356
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 5: wanted to ask about the reality. What are the odds

1357
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 5: we'll get us sit down with Van Pelton Evan for

1358
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 5: Pages dot com video or article. I they could be

1359
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 5: fascinating to learn where a VP is scheme wise and

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01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 5: what Evan has to say about it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so who wrote this email?

1362
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 5: John and La? John and La.

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01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 3: Fantastic question John in l A and one that I

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01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 3: was planning on asking these two about as soon as

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01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 3: we're done question.

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01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 6: We're not legally allowed to let Evan within fifty feet

1367
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 6: of anyone in the coaching staff right now.

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01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 5: Listen, No, we talked about called an r O.

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01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: We just want to talk about the ball, that's it.

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01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: And you talked about Mayo and getting you on the show.

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01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: We're also going to do our best to get some

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Speaker 1: time with all three of the coordinators. Yes, you know,

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01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: for some, for some on camera stuff has written, So

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01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: what do you think of r pos?

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01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think in in depth with evan interview

1376
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 5: might might be good.

1377
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 7: Get up on the board.

1378
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 5: It's not for people who like football.

1379
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: Or anybody else. It's people like it's people who like football.

1380
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 5: Let's see a lot of emails. Jordan writes in thank

1381
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 5: God for the Emergency Pod. There's a lack of Patriots

1382
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 5: media on Fridays and that has been starving for information.

1383
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 5: I just have a message to Patriots Nation. Justin Fields

1384
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 5: is not the answer. I don't know where this erroneous

1385
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 5: notion came from, of seeking a washed up ten to

1386
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 5: twenty eight.

1387
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: Ten and twenty eight his records tenant tenant sounds about right.

1388
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know is the answer for a rebuild.

1389
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 5: He's not good. He's an okase he had an okay season.

1390
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 5: You're not going to get the most out of him.

1391
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 5: He's already given everything he has and it's not good enough.

1392
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 5: Him and M HJ are not the answer. Please please

1393
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 5: stop suggesting this. I can't handle hearing that take anymore.

1394
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 5: Your guys were.

1395
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 6: Saying, Yeah, your guys you guys, Marvin Harris, Marvin Harrison.

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01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: That then that's junior think bugs me too, that's the path.

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01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,479
Speaker 5: But yeah, your guys, Felger, we're all over that plan.

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01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't want to do that.

1399
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 5: No, they want they want to get Harris and get.

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01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 3: Justin Field just because Felger is terrified of taking a quarterback.

1401
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: Now, I just don't understand why you can roll the

1402
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: dice and take a tackle at three or Marvin Harrison

1403
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: at three, but if you take a quarterback, you know

1404
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: the world's gonna end.

1405
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 3: I also don't understand. Isn't Justin Fields a huge roll

1406
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 3: of the dice just equal.

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01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: To Yeah, I think so, But I would strongly push

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01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: back on that, Like he's played three years and that

1409
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: means he stinks and he will forever stink and that's

1410
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: that's it. Like I I've seen guys get better, and

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01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: I think that he has incrementally gotten better. I think

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01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: he was better in the second half of the season

1413
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: last year than he was in the first half. You're

1414
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: at the point now, am I gonna like put all

1415
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: my eggs in the Justin Fields basket?

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01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 4: No?

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01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 5: I'm with Evan, No way, you got a big role you.

1418
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 6: Gotta beat every bush you can. You have to be creative.

1419
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 6: You can't rule anything out. You have to take the

1420
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 6: chances you do. I mean, I'm not you know, we

1421
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 6: can talk about Justin Fields, but like, just generally, I.

1422
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: Don't hate the idea of Justin Fields, but if you're

1423
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 3: giving up like a third round pick for Justin Fields,

1424
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 3: I would mud if it's gonna take that much, and

1425
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 3: you can't then use another top one hundred pick on

1426
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 3: a quarterback because now you're using your second and your

1427
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:45,439
Speaker 3: third round.

1428
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 7: And that was kind of as they were flirting with that.

1429
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want If I could steal Justin Fields

1430
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 3: from the Bears because they want nothing to do with him,

1431
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 3: and then I'm drafting Justin Fields, I'm taking Justin Fields

1432
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 3: for nothing, and then drafting Bo Nicks in the second round,

1433
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 3: and then one of those two guys ends up being

1434
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 3: my guy. Then I guess I could get behind it.

1435
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 3: But if you're already making a big leap for Justin

1436
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 3: Fields and that's your guy, like that's the guy.

1437
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want it. I don't want another quarterback

1438
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: if I'm making a trade, right, he's the guy.

1439
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,959
Speaker 3: It is weird, though, he's only justin Field's only twenty five.

1440
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: Well, and that's my point about I'm just understand why

1441
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: his story is completely done written. That's it.

1442
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 3: He's like a year older than some of the quarterbacks

1443
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 3: in this draft because and he's played three years in

1444
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 3: the NFL.

1445
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: Especially this draft, like these guys have played six years

1446
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: of college football, like some of these guys Daniels. I

1447
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: mean they've had like long, they've been in college.

1448
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 3: For six years, twenty five years old, already there fifth

1449
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 3: and sixty year seniors.

1450
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Tyler says he heard the rumor about Bill

1451
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 5: O'Brien going to Boston College.

1452
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 3: It's all over the X machine.

1453
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 5: And l from Wisconsin says, I haven't snorted in a while,

1454
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 5: but hearing Fred bring back the Bill could call a

1455
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 5: game without play sheet line really got me. That's not

1456
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 5: a joke. I really believe it's true.

1457
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 7: I thought she was gonna say Evans.

1458
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, uh, let's see. You know those people aren't on here,

1459
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 5: they're on substack. Evans people.

1460
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: That's true.

1461
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 5: The Liz armyla Ours.

1462
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: Carl Weathers died.

1463
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: He was just on the.

1464
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 5: Commercial car with Gronk Creed. Carl Weathers, he was just

1465
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 5: on the the Draftings commercial with Gronk like it's running

1466
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 5: right now, that's AFL Like you must have had like

1467
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 5: a heart attack or something. I don't know, but I

1468
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 5: mean that sucks.

1469
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 6: I mean Predator, Yeah, happy Gilmour right.

1470
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 3: Predators are underrated action movie.

1471
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 5: Not bad?

1472
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1473
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 7: What was his name?

1474
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 5: No, that's how this emergency podcast someplace to go get

1475
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 5: a week.

1476
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: I gotta find something to eat at some point though. Oh,

1477
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,959
Speaker 1: the schedule was not conducive to lunch today.

1478
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 5: Well, we'll go to three, We'll do twenty more minutes.

1479
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 5: Mark's in Connecticut. What's up, Mark, it's going on today?

1480
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 11: Guys, love your show.

1481
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: Thanks Mark, Thanks so Evan.

1482
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 2: How does Joe Milton look? This kid out of Tennessee

1483
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 2: is really intriguing because he's like a Josh Allen. I

1484
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 2: feel like replica. I feel like you can pick Marvin

1485
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 2: Harrison at three and pick Joe Milton in eath of

1486
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,439
Speaker 2: the second or third round. I want to do guys

1487
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 2: stake on how he looked sable?

1488
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 5: Right?

1489
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he looked pretty good in practice. Joe Milton

1490
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 3: is is definitely a project. Though he's someone that at Tennessee.

1491
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 3: It took him a while to even get the starting job,

1492
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 3: and then he had some just accuracy decision making issues.

1493
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 3: I compare him more to like Day three Anthony Richardson

1494
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,479
Speaker 3: than Josh Allen. I think that Josh Allen was a way, way,

1495
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 3: way better player than Joe Milton. But Anthony Richardson, when

1496
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 3: you talk about size, tools, athleticism, arm strength, not quite

1497
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 3: as polished as Richardson. Obviously, that's why he's he's kind

1498
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 3: of like the discount version of that. But if you're

1499
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 3: talking about him as like a double dip quarterback, or

1500
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 3: they have Baker Mayfield and you're just taking a flyer

1501
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 3: on a guy in like the fourth round, then Joe

1502
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 3: Milton is a is an interesting tally was like, what,

1503
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 3: he looks huge, He's like six six huge.

1504
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 6: He looked like I was kind of calling him wish

1505
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 6: Cam Newton, like he looked like, you know, kind of

1506
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 6: like the budget Cam Newton version.

1507
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: And there are times where you watch him play and

1508
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: you're like, there it is, you can see it.

1509
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 6: But yesterday I was watching Little and they're on seven

1510
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 6: or seven, and he just threw it right to like this,

1511
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 6: like just the guy was standing there, just threw it

1512
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 6: right to the.

1513
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: I was just talking about like the Tennessee games, like

1514
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: you could see it like at times, like they would

1515
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: play and they'd be really competitive because they weren't a

1516
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: bad team Tennessee. And then you know, they put together

1517
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 1: a drive and then the other team will get on

1518
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: to score, and then they put together a drive and

1519
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, like he looked totally different,

1520
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,799
Speaker 1: and before you know it, they're you know, they're punting

1521
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: like four times in a row in the games over. Yeah,

1522
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: you just couldn't seem to put full games together.

1523
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 3: His his arm talent is extremely enticing. And I think

1524
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 3: that going to the Senior Bowl practices coming off of

1525
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 3: year watching Mac Jones and Bailey Zappi for six months

1526
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 3: and then seeing a guy that can actually drive it

1527
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 3: between two defenders fifteen yards down the field, You're like,

1528
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 3: all right, that that I don't normally see that in Foxborough.

1529
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: So that was nice.

1530
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 3: Spencer Rattler Small, that was the one on because if

1531
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 3: I had to say who was the most consistent down

1532
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 3: in Mobile this week, it probably would have been Spencer Rattler.

1533
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 3: But he's a shade under six to one.

1534
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't I didn't really love med Oklahoma

1535
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: and I didn't loved South Carolina either, but I saw

1536
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: some people saying that the Patriots had some interest there,

1537
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 1: and I.

1538
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 3: Just, well, he worked with the team that you know.

1539
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 3: I think Spencer Rattler probably had the most consistent week.

1540
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,839
Speaker 3: I know a lot of the teams. We're really impressed

1541
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 3: with Michael Pennix in the interviews and just sort of

1542
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 3: his his gravitas and his leadership.

1543
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: And his u on the field. Eldred yelled at me

1544
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: because I thought that I had heard people saying that

1545
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: he kind of struggled a little bit, and he said, no, no, no, no, no.

1546
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,560
Speaker 3: Second day one was it was a little bit of

1547
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 3: an issue for him. I thought that he didn't he

1548
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 3: was right down the middle.

1549
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 12: To me.

1550
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 3: Didn't help his stock, didn't hurt his stock. He just

1551
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 3: had a fine week. Bone Nicks probably heard his stock

1552
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 3: a little bit, and then Rattler and Milton probably helped there.

1553
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 5: What do you think of Rattler.

1554
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 3: I just think he's small, Like I think he throws

1555
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 3: a nice ball. I think he's got some moxy to

1556
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 3: throw the ball down the field and some arm talent

1557
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 3: to do it. But I'm just so out on short quarterbacks,

1558
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 3: like I just need somebody that that can tools he

1559
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 3: that Yeah, that's a guy A little bit more to him.

1560
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 5: Diana writes in She's from New Hampshire. First time written,

1561
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 5: longtime listener, nice look forward every time listening. I was

1562
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 5: just wondering what you thought of Baker Mayfield with Alex

1563
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 5: Van Pelt. As soon as Pelt was hired, I immediately thought

1564
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 5: of Baker Mayfield and how he was really good this year,

1565
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 5: his year with the Bucks. This year with the Bucks,

1566
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 5: Baker would be a great fit. I would think with

1567
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 5: Pelt and we could select Marvin Harrison at third from Pelton,

1568
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 5: and second round we could select a good tackle. I

1569
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 5: would roll the dice with and draft a quarterback later,

1570
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 5: or maybe trade several picks to move up and get

1571
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 5: a quarterback. What do you think? My feelings won't be

1572
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 5: hurt if you disagree. Just thought it would be a

1573
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 5: viable option.

1574
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: I think I think Mayfield is a viable bridge option.

1575
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 5: But he's gonna want money.

1576
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, he'll have to pay him little bit, I think.

1577
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 7: I mean Evan said it, this is he gonna get

1578
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 7: away from Tampa Bay.

1579
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 6: It just seems like usually those situations where teams like

1580
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 6: that find a little bit of gold and a veteran

1581
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 6: quarterback that can play for them.

1582
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 7: They usually do their best at to hang on them

1583
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 7: and not let.

1584
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 5: Them get away. Tom writes in with a VP's higher

1585
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 5: could this be a better fit for cold Strange. I'm

1586
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 5: by no means saying he was a good pick, but

1587
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 5: could the new run schemes be a better fit for him?

1588
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 5: And also, signing on when you to a new contract

1589
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 5: has to be number one priority. Not re signing him

1590
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 5: would be malpractice. We have so many holes to fill

1591
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 5: on this team, and we need to use cash to

1592
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 5: fill some of them.

1593
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not too concerned about I think we're gonna

1594
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 3: get a lot of these questions of like which lineman fits,

1595
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 3: I'm not like that concerned about it. I think one

1596
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 3: of the good things about what the Browns were able

1597
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 3: to do is they were very game plan oriented in

1598
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 3: the run game, so they called plays based off of opponent,

1599
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 3: and I think that they could probably do anything to

1600
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 3: fit if they had to, like really adjust it because

1601
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 3: they have a three hundred and forty pound tackle Like,

1602
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about that as much as as maybe

1603
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 3: the quarterback position.

1604
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 5: Let's see back to the phones Willem and Philam. What's up? William?

1605
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 4: Thanks?

1606
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 5: Greg? How you doing all right? All right?

1607
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 10: Questions forever? Well, I'll just say this first, go, I

1608
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 10: want Drake May on our team though, but if we

1609
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 10: can't get Drake May, I take Marvin Hamerson any day period.

1610
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 10: So I just wanted to say something that in tours

1611
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 10: of him and Alex Bark they were talking about, Okay,

1612
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 10: there's there's like ten more other receivers in the draft

1613
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 10: or not. My push back to y'all this okay, Uh,

1614
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,440
Speaker 10: the Patriots passed on many receivers, correct.

1615
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,440
Speaker 5: They passed that over the years. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1616
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 5: So you.

1617
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 10: Know, I'll just say, man, we need so much man,

1618
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 10: Bill left this team so much in the shamble.

1619
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 2: Man, it's so bad.

1620
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 10: Man. But but my take is just you have a

1621
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 10: chance to get the number one receiver. But yes, we

1622
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 10: need a tackle. I'm with you, We need to we

1623
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,480
Speaker 10: need a quarterback. I'm with you. Haven't we need everything.

1624
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 10: I understand it. But were talking, man, Marvin Harrison, this guy,

1625
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 10: I don't know if he's going to be that dude.

1626
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 10: I don't know, you know, just like Paul was saying

1627
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 10: at one point, I don't know.

1628
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 9: I don't know what he's gonna be. But yeah, man,

1629
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 9: I just I.

1630
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 10: Just want the guy and I take him. But if

1631
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 10: we got to, I'm all over the place right there.

1632
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 5: But it is not a better chance. There's a better

1633
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 5: chance than not that he is immediately a top ten

1634
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 5: quarter wide receiver, Mars Marvin Harrison. True or false? I

1635
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 5: think true. I have no idea top ten receiver better

1636
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 5: chance than not.

1637
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 7: With any quarterback there.

1638
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, with any quarterback I don't know.

1639
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: Is Garrett Wilson one, Yeah.

1640
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:18,759
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson.

1641
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 5: I think he is in the top ten.

1642
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: I was looking at paper.

1643
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was thinking about that the other day, and

1644
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, I think Garrett Wilson would be

1645
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 5: in the top ten.

1646
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 1: I mean I would put like Jefferson, Jamar Chase killed

1647
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: jam Chase Adams, A J.

1648
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 5: Brown, I put it, I put, I put Deebo Samuel

1649
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 5: up there, I put I wouldn't I put the kid

1650
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 5: from San Francisco in there? No, the other way.

1651
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: I'd put a UK ahead of Deebo Samuel for sure.

1652
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: But I don't know if he's a top ten receiver either.

1653
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of good receivers, but I

1654
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 5: think Barbara.

1655
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 3: I think that's the point, right, is that there is

1656
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 3: a lot of good receivers, and it's a really good class.

1657
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:00,799
Speaker 3: There's receivers around the league.

1658
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: It just if you.

1659
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 3: I like Marvin Harrison Junior as much as everybody else does.

1660
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 3: I think he's a can't miss prospect, and I don't

1661
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 3: throw that around too easily. Whether he's a Hall of

1662
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 3: Famer like his dad, I'm not sure, but he's going

1663
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 3: to be a good player in the league no matter what.

1664
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 3: I agree, And I think that the bottom line is

1665
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 3: those that you have to think about allocating resources and

1666
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,440
Speaker 3: where are the most important resources.

1667
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 5: I know they have to like it's it's NFL twenty

1668
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 5: twenty four wide receiver, right. The hun're a huge and

1669
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 5: you know, over the last few years we've worried about

1670
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 5: the Patriots hitting on one pick, so at least we

1671
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 5: know that their first pick will be a good player.

1672
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that any more than anything else. I

1673
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: don't know why you always.

1674
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 5: Say that, but you can't know for certain, for anything exactly.

1675
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: But that's exactly right. But that's but everybody's treating this

1676
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:52,799
Speaker 1: particular pick like it is.

1677
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 5: Because absolute, because the odds. I don't understand the odds

1678
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 5: are that he's going to be good.

1679
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: I agree, Okay, I agree, the odds are that it's

1680
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: going to be good, just like the odds are that

1681
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is going to be good.

1682
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he might not be. But we we're not

1683
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 5: going to get him.

1684
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,759
Speaker 1: No. I'm just saying, like the odds are, the best

1685
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: player on the board at those positions are gonna be good, right,

1686
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: But it doesn't always work out that way, I know.

1687
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 5: But we never get to take the best player on

1688
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 5: the board. We finally do have that chance to do it.

1689
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 5: So if somebody says you got to take Marvin Harrison,

1690
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 5: I'm not arguing.

1691
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: So listen, take Marvin Harrison and I think that they

1692
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: will have taken.

1693
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 5: Go ahead, go ahead, William Kenn.

1694
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 10: I just want to say, look when you had when

1695
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 10: we had the greatest quarterback of all time, Okay, and

1696
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 10: we passed up on all the receivers from free agency

1697
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 10: to draft because you know who. But that's me to here.

1698
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 10: But now you have a chance to get that, you

1699
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 10: know what I'm saying, Like, look look at if you

1700
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 10: look at the history of how many receivers we passed on.

1701
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 10: I mean, I can name many, okay, from free agency

1702
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 10: to the trand and this is regidulous too.

1703
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 11: And these were blue ship players.

1704
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 10: That could have did them for our team. And now

1705
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 10: we have a chance to do that, Fellas, we have

1706
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 10: a chance. Now you know what I'm saying. I'll just

1707
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 10: leave it, so all.

1708
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:03,719
Speaker 5: Right, thanks William.

1709
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: I just would ask Evan, who do you think is

1710
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: the best receiver in football?

1711
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 5: Kill?

1712
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So is the difference between Tyreek Hill and say,

1713
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper really good receiver but not top five really

1714
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: good player? You know, I'm just using him as an example.

1715
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: You can probably come up with a better one. Is

1716
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:33,839
Speaker 1: that difference bigger, more important, less important than the difference

1717
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: between Patrick Mahomes potentially and you know some run of

1718
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: the mill starter Baker Mayfield. I think that's the point, right,

1719
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to get at, Like, there are

1720
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 1: a ton of really really talented receivers I don't need

1721
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 1: justin Jefferson what I want him, absolutely I would love

1722
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: to have them. But the difference between even even in Cincinnati,

1723
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: difference between Jamar Chase and t Higgins is there's a difference.

1724
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: There's one's better than the other, yes, but it's not

1725
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: as big of a difference between a really good quarterback

1726
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: in an average quarterback.

1727
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:14,759
Speaker 5: Correct.

1728
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 1: That's way bigger correct to me. And there are way

1729
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: more t Higgins out there than there are good quarterbacks.

1730
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 5: And if Andrew Luck was there, I would say you

1731
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 5: got to take him. You know, he's he's I would

1732
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 5: say there's more chance than not that he's going to

1733
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 5: be a top ten call.

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01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, I'm fine if I don't get

1735
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,919
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior, if I end up getting a Doonsa

1736
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: or neighbors. I don't think that. I don't think they're

1737
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: the same. I don't think they're I don't think that

1738
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: they as good as Harrison. I'm not suggesting that they are.

1739
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,440
Speaker 1: But I think there are a lot of good receivers

1740
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: I know you can get that are really good place.

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01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 5: I agree, but I like and I don't know. I'm

1742
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 5: just going by what the Nudnicks say. I agree with,

1743
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 5: you know, and I haven't heard this much clatter about

1744
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 5: you know, there's been clatter about wide receivers.

1745
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 1: But don't you think that a little something to do

1746
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: with his name?

1747
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 3: I don't know, I do would say the last time

1748
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 3: this much hype for receivers. Jamar Chase, I was, I.

1749
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 5: Didn't even hear it this much about Jamar Chase.

1750
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 3: Honestly, well, Jamar Chase was like, I can't mat like

1751
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 3: he was the same in the same boat. It was

1752
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 3: this this type of of guy.

1753
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 5: I just I don't once you started playing he was,

1754
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 5: you know, I just.

1755
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 3: Think that it's when it comes to roster building, it's

1756
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 3: building it backwards, like you're you're starting with the shiny

1757
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 3: toy when you don't have an offensive line, you don't

1758
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 3: have a quarterback to get him the ball, but you

1759
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 3: have this this, this Ferrari on the outside.

1760
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: It's like what what?

1761
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 5: But all those things you just talked about, you're not

1762
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 5: gonna get those all in the first pick anyway.

1763
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 3: But but those things contributes, in my opinion, are more

1764
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 3: conducive to winning.

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01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 5: But all right, so it's one guy, one pick. You

1766
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 5: know you can only you can only solve one problem.

1767
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 5: I just wouldn't build.

1768
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 1: I guess what my point is, if I have my

1769
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: choice and you can't do it this way either, I

1770
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: realize this is flawed. But if I have my choice,

1771
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: what Let's just say that Drake may is number three

1772
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: and he hits he's good. I'm not talking about Patrick Mahomes,

1773
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: but he's really good. I'd rather have that than the

1774
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: best receiver in football.

1775
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 7: Correct, Yeah, I wish.

1776
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: I even though I think that there's probably a better

1777
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: chance that Marvin Harrison is really good. I think it's

1778
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: way more important because now I can get Drake May

1779
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: and in the third round, Drake May is gonna make

1780
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: somebody better. Maybe the next year I can get a

1781
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 1: first round wide receiver, you know, because I have Drake

1782
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: May and he's making my offense better. I don't know

1783
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: how much Marvin Harrison makes your offense better if you

1784
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: don't have that situation settled.

1785
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 3: It's bottom line as as it comes down to winning

1786
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,799
Speaker 3: football games and how much better does Marvin Harrison junior?

1787
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 3: How many wins does Marvin Harrison Junior ad versus the quarterback?

1788
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 3: And it's it's just not it's not apples to arm.

1789
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 5: If you're asking me what position is more important than

1790
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 5: the NFL, it's.

1791
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: Quarterback, right, And I don't think you're in this situation

1792
01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: very often, a top pick in a year that the

1793
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: quarterback position is deep.

1794
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, if I feel real good about Drake May, then

1795
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 5: you picked Drake May if the.

1796
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 3: Question is always in either or it's Marvin Harrison Junior

1797
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: and Bo Nicks, which is what Dame Brugler marked the

1798
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 3: mock to the Patriots a couple of weeks ago. Or

1799
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 3: it's Drake May and Roman Wilson, who just had a

1800
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 3: great week down at the Senior Bowl, And it's which

1801
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 3: one do you would you rather?

1802
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 5: And do you love Drake May? Yes, Okay, then it's

1803
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 5: Drake May. But what if Drake May and whoever else?

1804
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 6: Well, what if it's Jade and Daniels or you know,

1805
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 6: like I mean, I think we all agree. But if

1806
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 6: it's like I just think about they have a draft

1807
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 6: board and you always hear them say stick to the board.

1808
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 6: Now at third overall, is there a good chance that

1809
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 6: Caleb Williams and Drake May go won two? Who should

1810
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 6: be the number one guy on their.

1811
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 5: Board right now?

1812
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 7: So why shouldn't he be selected? And if you never.

1813
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: Think that Marvin Harrison is substantially better than Jade and Daniels,

1814
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: then you should take Harrison. I agree, Yeah, I wouldn't

1815
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 1: just take the quarterback for the sake of taking a quarterback.

1816
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: I don't believe in. And that's but can you Imagine

1817
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: if this was like two years ago and the quarterback

1818
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: draft class had Kenny Pickett, who some people thought might

1819
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: be a first round pick, and that was the best

1820
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 1: on the board, You'd be suicidal right now, right You're

1821
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 1: not dealing with that. You're dealing with three guys that

1822
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people think are going to be the

1823
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: first three picks.

1824
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 5: Or it could be overrated.

1825
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: No, Fred, there's always a chance. There's always a chance.

1826
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: Last year, three of the top four were quarterbacks. One

1827
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 1: of them was great, one of them was bad, and

1828
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: one of them got hurt. Like that could happen.

1829
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 6: But is it which is it fair to say that

1830
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 6: there are probably two players in this draft class that

1831
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 6: people are maybe considering his generational players, and it would

1832
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 6: be Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Junior.

1833
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think that there's a lot of

1834
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: that because of his name, Sure I could, but.

1835
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 6: I think he's terrific, is a generational So it's just

1836
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 6: like you know, and after after the last four years,

1837
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 6: except for you just said, like three years ago, there

1838
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 6: was a guy who was similarly thought of.

1839
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: So how generational is its? Every year the top wide

1840
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 1: receiver is like that? Not every year the top quarterbacks

1841
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 1: after all.

1842
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 5: These drafts of overthinking it. You know, for some people,

1843
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 5: it's staring you right in the face.

1844
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 3: Right, Well, and that's what like he five years ago

1845
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 3: with Jamar Chase, like we're talking about so it was

1846
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 3: it was he's drafted in twenty twenty.

1847
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: He's so like, what are we talking? He's played four years?

1848
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 5: Right?

1849
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1850
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,480
Speaker 1: So that so that's four years. Okay, that's not generational.

1851
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 3: I mean then did you like use your whatever you

1852
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 3: turn justin Jefferson?

1853
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: Know what was he like a year before that? Like,

1854
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 1: it's not a generational pick quarterback. I go back to

1855
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,959
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. I haven't seen a prospect like Andrew Luck since.

1856
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 3: A lot of people would say Trevor Lawrence was on that.

1857
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 1: Level and he didn't hit right, and he didn't hit

1858
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 1: He's not to that level, to that level, he's not

1859
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: been that guy. That's my point.

1860
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 5: I want to take another call. Devlin's been hanging on

1861
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 5: for a while. He's in Florida. What's up, Devlin James?

1862
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, what's up?

1863
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 5: Guys?

1864
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 13: I just wanted to go to back to Paul's point

1865
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 13: about coordinators and kind of being a stepping stone or

1866
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 13: this new England being a stepping stone for coordinators. Don't

1867
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 13: you think we would need someone that can stay for

1868
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 13: multiple years if you want to kind of have like

1869
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 13: an established and run kind of similar to a dynasty.

1870
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 13: Obviously we can't replicate what Tom Brady did. Yeah, but

1871
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 13: just try to have a you know.

1872
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what Paul said in the Best of

1873
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 5: Both Worlds. He does.

1874
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: Really, I didn't say New England should be a stepping stone.

1875
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: I think the coordinator positions should be stepping stones. I

1876
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: don't care what organization you ran. Now, you should want

1877
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 1: that guy to build a really good offense or defense

1878
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 1: as the case may be, and he's generating interest, and

1879
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: then you replace him because you have a system in

1880
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 1: place and you've said, up, that's what they did in

1881
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: the early two thousands. It was the same. The reason

1882
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 1: why Tom Brady so effortlessly kept moving on is because

1883
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:42,759
Speaker 1: it was the same.

1884
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 6: Offense, right, And that highlights the importance of hiring a

1885
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 6: good staff that's deep.

1886
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 1: That's what you want.

1887
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 6: Hit like Detroit, they're looking at all, right, Ben Johnson's

1888
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 6: gonna leave.

1889
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 1: We got a guy waiting, And that's like whatever was

1890
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 1: talking about, have that succession plan in place, and I

1891
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: think that's what Detroit did.

1892
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 5: And I gave Bill Belichick a lot of credit over

1893
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 5: the years for having that structure in place with guys

1894
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 5: in the waiting, and you know, finally the brain drain

1895
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 5: caught up to them. All right, Thanks Devin. I got

1896
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 5: to take care of some business. Do I have to

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