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Speaker 2: Let's just dive right in with the days of Noah.
Speaker 2: How do you propose the let's say, the conditions and
Speaker 2: events during the days of Noah, how they correlate with
Speaker 2: the let's say, the increased activities of giants and fallen
Speaker 2: angels according to biblical texts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have a sort of a conjoining of
Speaker 3: a couple of narratives in Genesis six, where you have
Speaker 3: the flood story, and in the preamble to the flood
Speaker 3: story you have the creation of the giants. And at
Speaker 3: the end of Genesis five you get the genealogies of
Speaker 3: the Setnites, and it ends with Noah and his three sons.
Speaker 3: Then we get the giant creation, and then we get
Speaker 3: Noah's commission and to build the arc, and the flood
Speaker 3: will come thereafter. And the information that we get for
Speaker 3: this is that there's violence and corruption that is going
Speaker 3: on before the flood. So there's one hundred years between
Speaker 3: the start of the commission and until Noah goes on
Speaker 3: the arc with his three sons and their wives, and
Speaker 3: of course Noah's wife as well. But we don't really
Speaker 3: get a lot of context with that as to who
Speaker 3: are these giants, which is Hebrew nepheline, which is Hebrew
Speaker 3: for giants, and all the other associated words are associated
Speaker 3: with giants as descriptions as tyrants and bully. And we
Speaker 3: also don't get a complete picture from the limited amount
Speaker 3: of detail as to the level of technology that was
Speaker 3: there before the flood. And so the violence part is
Speaker 3: why the giants are in the preamble to the flood
Speaker 3: story as the fuller context, and they're taught all of
Speaker 3: the crops of war, all of the technology that was
Speaker 3: that accumulated to a level very quickly that had the
Speaker 3: power to destroy the earth. And you have a another
Speaker 3: indication of the technology that's in the Hebrew word translated
Speaker 3: as corrupted the earth in Genesis six and Genesis seven,
Speaker 3: and the whole earth was corrupted, and that's the Hebrew
Speaker 3: word chica, and that means to pervert, to ruin, to destroy,
Speaker 3: words like that. So there's a degradation that's going on,
Speaker 3: and that overlaps into the DNA and overlaps into the
Speaker 3: plant genome. So we get an interesting passage from Jesus
Speaker 3: and his oration to the disciples in Matthew, Mark and
Speaker 3: Luke about the days of Noah and then with looting
Speaker 3: matches with the days of Lot, which is additional information
Speaker 3: that the end time is going to be like the flood,
Speaker 3: and that there's more than just the godlessness that's going on.
Speaker 3: There's this technology and the level of that technology that
Speaker 3: we're just catching up to today, which is why we're
Speaker 3: using some of those ancient terms like kimara for DNA manipulation,
Speaker 3: and so this is the level of technology that is
Speaker 3: kind of reflected that needs to come back in the
Speaker 3: Book of Ecclesiastics in chapter one, where it says that
Speaker 3: there's nothing new under the sun. What was will be
Speaker 3: a gain, and it goes on to say that the
Speaker 3: understanding and gaining of this kind of wisdom brings grief
Speaker 3: and sorrow. So we had allen angels or gods in
Speaker 3: the Polytheist accounts walking amongst us before the flood, who
Speaker 3: pro created in all cultures around the world, according to
Speaker 3: the Polytheist accounts, to create demigods, which is just another
Speaker 3: word for a giant and demigod in ancient meanings the
Speaker 3: offspring of a god and a human female or a
Speaker 3: goddess and a human male, and they produce these giants
Speaker 3: known by different names and great numbers around the world,
Speaker 3: and they're able to usurp with their size, their warrior capabilities,
Speaker 3: and their numbers all of the dynasties, all of the
Speaker 3: thrones around the world, and they lead the whole war
Speaker 3: into this destruction, and they're on the capability of destroying
Speaker 3: the world, which is sort of my speculation with the
Speaker 3: accumulation of this knowledge and why God brings the flood
Speaker 3: so that all of the people whose names, all of
Speaker 3: the sentient beings whose names were written in the Book
Speaker 3: of Life from before creation will have a chance to
Speaker 3: have leave their names in the Book of Life or
Speaker 3: blowed is out based on what they do while they're
Speaker 3: on the earth. And so it's very important that we
Speaker 3: understand what was going on before the flood because it
Speaker 3: cycles throughout the post Alluvian history as well.
Speaker 4: You laid the groundwork there brilliantly.
Speaker 2: Gary, Now, can you explain the significance of differentiating between
Speaker 2: the various types of giants you mentioned and that are
Speaker 2: that are mentioned in ancient texts like the Nephilim and
Speaker 2: the Refayem and the Gibborim and so forth, and then,
Speaker 2: and also their impact on historical human societies.
Speaker 4: Why is it important to differentiate between them.
Speaker 3: There's always information in the words and the connection to
Speaker 3: the chronology of events, both before and after the floods.
Speaker 3: So one of the terms that we get for giants'
Speaker 3: is nepheline, as we've talked about, and they're described as
Speaker 3: the mighty ones, which is the Hebrew word gibor and
Speaker 3: Giborim would be the male plural, as people would understand
Speaker 3: that in English and interestingly left, yes, there is a
Speaker 3: female plural for that, and that giberon has a similar
Speaker 3: meaning and could be applied to a female giant or
Speaker 3: the application of that power and nephilem biblically were before
Speaker 3: the flood, and the only times that we have nepheline
Speaker 3: show up as giants in the Old Testament after the
Speaker 3: flood is part of the embellished account of the Scouts
Speaker 3: in the time of the Exodus who went in to
Speaker 3: explore Canaan and came back with the report of having
Speaker 3: seen people taller than them, as well as anachem kings
Speaker 3: tellmis Seshi and Ahiman that lived in Hebron or Kirif Arba.
Speaker 3: Because it was known before Hebron and that they called
Speaker 3: these an Achem the sons of giants, which is the
Speaker 3: Hebrew word nephelem. So that's not quite accurate. That's saying
Speaker 3: that the Anachem were nepheline and they were actually Repaim.
Speaker 3: And we know they're Refaem because when they're listed with
Speaker 3: other giants in the time of the Exodus and Deuteronomy two,
Speaker 3: that it is that they're called and known as giants
Speaker 3: like the mem and the Zamzuzim and others that are
Speaker 3: listed in Deuteronomy two. And that goes back to the
Speaker 3: Hebrew word refa in Refaem for poro for a tribe
Speaker 3: of giants, just says Refayem shows up as a tribe
Speaker 3: of giants in Genesis fourteen and the War of Giants,
Speaker 3: and then Genesis fifteen in the land of the covenants
Speaker 3: being given to Abraham and his descendants that go from
Speaker 3: the Nile to the Euphrates rivers. So we have these
Speaker 3: terms and we need to sort of reconcile them. And
Speaker 3: so my distinction is is that the Nephil lived before
Speaker 3: the flood, the Repayem lived after the flood, and there's
Speaker 3: a distinction in terms of the size and the power
Speaker 3: that they had. So when we look at understanding what's
Speaker 3: going on in numbers thirteen thirty three, the terrified scouts
Speaker 3: other than Joshua and Caleb, they don't want to go
Speaker 3: onto this land to fight these hyper giants and giants,
Speaker 3: and they want to have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3: So they're testifying to the veracity to the giants before
Speaker 3: the flood, but embellishing it to the application there. So
Speaker 3: these three kings are anechem. They are giants, they are massive,
Speaker 3: but they are not as large as the giants before
Speaker 3: the flood. Now, the word gibor describes the Nepheleine in
Speaker 3: Genesis six y four as mighty ones, and gibor is
Speaker 3: used about one hundred and fifty eight times in the
Speaker 3: Old Testament, not always to describe a giant, but to
Speaker 3: describe a giant in a lot of cases. So biblically
Speaker 3: we get one application in Joshua sixteen, where gibour is
Speaker 3: translated as a giant in the KGV Bible. And whether
Speaker 3: or not that's a giant or not, we don't know.
Speaker 3: You could accept that as an accurate translation into English
Speaker 3: or not. But what we do know is that word
Speaker 3: describes them. However, in the Yugaritic text, which is a
Speaker 3: very important parallel set of polytheist records that was located
Speaker 3: was located between Mount Herman and Tyr in the northern
Speaker 3: part of the land of the Covenant, you have a
Speaker 3: tribe of giants that are listed as Gbr in the
Speaker 3: original Semitic, which Hebrew comes out of it. It was
Speaker 3: originally Vowelless as well, and that you also have Gbr
Speaker 3: or gibour as a adjective to describe the giants as
Speaker 3: these mighty warriors. So we get both applications. So you
Speaker 3: could make an argument within the Euguritic text that talks
Speaker 3: about the creation of the rpm the rough Ieme in
Speaker 3: the original Semitic as post Alluvian giants as well as
Speaker 3: another tribe of giants also called Guberine, and they're all
Speaker 3: part of a assembly of giants that was called the Titanu,
Speaker 3: which has very interesting meanings that overlaps into other kinds
Speaker 3: of giants.
Speaker 4: All right, so let's get to the post Alluvian.
Speaker 2: I guess is that what we refer to as the
Speaker 2: second incursion, And then if you could sort of elaborate
Speaker 2: on what the second incursion entails how it differs from
Speaker 2: the initial fall of the angels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and one of the things if people get confused
Speaker 3: in prehistory, it's because you have a hard time understanding
Speaker 3: when was the rain of the offspring gods and when
Speaker 3: was the reign of the parent gods. So parent gods
Speaker 3: reigned before the flood, they went to the pit prison
Speaker 3: for their crimes, one of them being creation of the giants,
Speaker 3: and offspring gods took over after the flood. And so
Speaker 3: you have a good example from a biblical perspective is
Speaker 3: as you have l as the parent god of the
Speaker 3: Canaanite pantheon, that would be a parent god, and he
Speaker 3: would have been partnered with Astaroth, and they both would
Speaker 3: have created giants before the flood. So bay Al and
Speaker 3: a Nat take over after the flood, and they create
Speaker 3: giants as well, as they're described in the Eugoritic Texas,
Speaker 3: making the Rapiu or the rapim or the rpm and
Speaker 3: original Semitic and that's what I would call as a
Speaker 3: second incursion, is a recreation of giants after the flood. Now, biblically,
Speaker 3: we're not told how giants and show up after the flood.
Speaker 3: What we are told is in Genesis six four that
Speaker 3: the sons of God went to the daughters of men
Speaker 3: and did so again and in like manner as you
Speaker 3: take that back to the meaning and Hebrew, which means
Speaker 3: they could have created more giants before the flood and
Speaker 3: other procreations, and it also could mean after the flood.
Speaker 3: And I think you could make a case for either.
Speaker 3: So I leave a crack open that maybe nepheline Nepheline
Speaker 3: survived the flood somehow, some way with the help of
Speaker 3: the gods or fallen angels, whether in the Earth, off
Speaker 3: the Earth, in another dimension, on another arc. However that
Speaker 3: help comes about but biblically, and you can make that
Speaker 3: case because biblically, but it's a technical legal case. You
Speaker 3: could say in Genesis six and Genesis seven, where God
Speaker 3: brought the flood to destroy everything that he had created
Speaker 3: except for the eight and the animals that are on
Speaker 3: the arc, and so he didn't create the giants, all
Speaker 3: angels who created this hybrid angelic human demigod in the
Speaker 3: physical world. And so what fits better biblically is a
Speaker 3: second incursion where there would have been another probably oath
Speaker 3: sworn by angels out of spite the holtes that was
Speaker 3: sworn to create the Nephilm before the flood was understood
Speaker 3: as harem anathema devoted oath of consecration and to carry
Speaker 3: it out to the end, no matter the consequences, and
Speaker 3: so one presumes there would have been another oath to
Speaker 3: do that probably had a spite and in support of
Speaker 3: the angels that did that before the flood, and for
Speaker 3: the same purposes to try and wipe human kind from
Speaker 3: the face of the earth, to be remembered no more
Speaker 3: enough so that they would not be able to reach
Speaker 3: their destiny. And so the second incursion likely takes place
Speaker 3: in as we get detail in the Bible in Sodom,
Speaker 3: and one of the things that is linked in the
Speaker 3: end time prophecies, as I mentioned a few minutes ago,
Speaker 3: is that Jesus was talking in the Book of Luke
Speaker 3: that the end time is going to be like the
Speaker 3: days of Noah and the days of Law, which is
Speaker 3: the days of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and
Speaker 3: that Sodom and Gomorrah is as you look at passages
Speaker 3: in the New Testament like Jude One's six and second
Speaker 3: Peter to four, and when Jesus visits these fallen angels
Speaker 3: in the pit prison when he was crucified. It's all
Speaker 3: linked to the crimes of the angels before the flood,
Speaker 3: and also included in that discussion linkages in the language
Speaker 3: like filthy language and strange flesh that is going on
Speaker 3: with this propriation of the giants, and it's the same
Speaker 3: crimes that that are being equated to the crimes that
Speaker 3: the fallen angels did before the flood. So we get
Speaker 3: a lot of evidence that Sodom is the location for
Speaker 3: the second incursion, and if that rings a bell with
Speaker 3: a lot of people, that's got a pretty important biblical
Speaker 3: sort of moral application, and with sexual crimes that were
Speaker 3: kind of unlimited that were going on there as the
Speaker 3: giants were ruling over the Canaanites in the Canaanite pentapolies
Speaker 3: in the southern Dead Sea region. So we have a
Speaker 3: likely place for the creation that is close to Mount Herman,
Speaker 3: and even the first creation of giants before the flood
Speaker 3: wasn't likely done on Mount Hermon, only the both were
Speaker 3: sworn there. And what's interesting is is in the Anostic
Speaker 3: versions of the creation of the giants, you have the
Speaker 3: mora as the location of the of the creation of
Speaker 3: giants before the flood, and Sodom again as the creation
Speaker 3: after the flood.
Speaker 4: Oh that's interesting. I didn't know that interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Well, there's lots of evidence per second incursion,
Speaker 3: just as you have the Greek accounts that talks about
Speaker 3: the angels that were killed, I mean the giants that
Speaker 3: were killed in the in the in the flood, and
Speaker 3: then another creation of giants after the flood.
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