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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple.

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Speaker 3: Rob G.

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Speaker 1: We had some more news from the fallout of Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick getting snubbed with a capital s.

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady. We heard from Tom Brady today.

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Speaker 1: It was on an interview and he kind of addressed this,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll pivot to Tom Brady because now the

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Speaker 1: focus will go on the other cheater.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Rob G.

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Speaker 4: I don't understand it. I mean I was with them

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Speaker 4: every day. If he's not a first bout of Hall

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Speaker 4: of Famer, there's really no coach that should ever be

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Speaker 4: a first bout of Hall of Famer, which is completely

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Speaker 4: ridiculous because people deserve it and he's incredible. There's no

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Speaker 4: coach I'd ever want to play. I'd rather play for it.

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Speaker 4: If I'm taking one coach to go out there to

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Speaker 4: win a Super Bowl, give me one season I'm taking

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Speaker 4: Bill Belichick. So that's enough set. There's nothing outside of that.

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Speaker 4: You know, again, when he comes down to votes and

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Speaker 4: popularity and all that, like, you know, then welcome to

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Speaker 4: the world of voting, and you may as well go,

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Speaker 4: you know, try out for the Oscars or whatever, and

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Speaker 4: you know, get a big panel to tell you if

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Speaker 4: you're good or not.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, I'm shocking they do.

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Speaker 1: They do vote for the Oscars, and there's voters and

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Speaker 1: everything that you get where you get.

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Speaker 3: Awards, people vote for you.

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Speaker 1: And this whole notion that all of a sudden there's

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Speaker 1: something wrong with the system because you didn't get the

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Speaker 1: vote that you wanted makes absolutely no sense to me.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing and Rob g I don't know,

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Speaker 1: did you hear most of that radio interview or any

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Speaker 1: more of that. I hope they would have stopped him

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Speaker 1: to say, well, he did cheat, he did get busted

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Speaker 1: by the league, he did get fined five hundred thousand dollars,

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Speaker 1: he did lose a lot of draft picks. Like, let's

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Speaker 1: not act like he says, he doesn't understand when I

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Speaker 1: hear people say that, I don't understand what that means, right,

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, you could disagree with it,

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Speaker 1: but to act like you don't understand why some people

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Speaker 3: So that beleeves me to Tom Brady, and.

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Speaker 1: I think the same exact thing should happen to Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady that next in two years, when his time comes up,

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Speaker 1: that they should also punish tom Brady because he was

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Speaker 1: suspended by the league for four games for cheating. Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady and Bill Belichick are tied at the hip, and

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Speaker 1: to me, the voters who did not vote for Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick to give Tom Brady a pass, there would be

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Speaker 1: something I would have a problem with that because there

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Speaker 1: were enough people who did not vote for Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 1: People think it's just well, who are the eleven? It

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Speaker 1: way more. All we know is that you need forty

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, So we don't know what the real

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Speaker 1: And people some people are now starting to say who

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Speaker 1: that they voted and put their names out there, which

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Speaker 1: is fine, and I've always put my vote out with

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Speaker 1: not afraid to let you know who I voted. But

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Speaker 1: this is the only other thing Tom Brady. When I

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady is basically Lance Armstrong without the bicycle.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's what we should do. He was right there.

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Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, he's being sensible. I

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Speaker 5: you got to take it there. What Lance Armstrong might

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Speaker 5: be the greatest treated cheater in sports of all time,

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Speaker 5: and now you're the linked Brady with it just because

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Speaker 3: If you don't cut it out, are you done? I'm done?

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Speaker 5: Okay, Listen, Bill Belichick, that's a whole different thing, because

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Speaker 5: Bill Belichick, number one is a coach, right and there's

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Speaker 5: Then there's the players. So but Bill Belichick, we talked

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Speaker 5: because you can say you're the architect of it. The

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Speaker 5: go down the list of guys who also, by the way,

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Speaker 5: didn't get in. Joe gibbs S three times Super Bowl

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Speaker 5: at first ballot. So maybe they're saying that's just what

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Speaker 5: we do. Plus you cheated, so we think maybe two

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Speaker 3: Have been tainted.

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Speaker 5: So and we didn't like you as well, so you're

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Speaker 5: not getting in. When it comes to Tom Brady, couple

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Speaker 5: of things. Rob number one can't believe you just compared

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Speaker 3: He went out the bicycle.

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Speaker 5: Right a little bit of the deflated balls is nothing

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Speaker 5: the camera, swearing on the camera you didn't do it,

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Speaker 3: That's there. So don't even I'm gonna say this.

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Speaker 1: If you steal ten dollars out of your grandmother's purse,

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Speaker 1: brains out. Either way, you're still a thief. If you're

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Speaker 2: Is one.

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Speaker 5: I'm going in prison time still it. One might just

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Speaker 3: Butt for still a thief. That's it.

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Speaker 5: So this media agreed it's worse the winsday, but you

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Speaker 5: ain't God.

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Speaker 3: God.

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Speaker 5: The only person who does the sentence is in his sin.

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Speaker 5: Get there in humanity. Now, let me get back to

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Speaker 5: what you're saying with Tom Brady. I think it's in

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 5: They don't the people in favor, and I do think

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Speaker 5: all of this screaming and yelling, and then maybe in

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Speaker 5: Tom Brady also. I think Tom Brady, even the person

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Speaker 5: I don't know, they're gonna look at Tom Brady and say,

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Speaker 5: you actually were within the lines, You actually were the

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Speaker 5: through the touchdowns. You were there, Audibling, you made that happen,

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Speaker 5: So I can't hate on you for that. And I

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Speaker 5: cheated with the Flaygate and maybe the spygate and all that,

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Speaker 5: but you did also win elsewhere. You look at other

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Speaker 5: stats accumulated. I'm gonna put him in so those things

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Speaker 5: could be in his favor. I'm not saying it's gonna

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Speaker 5: happen because this I didn't have this happening on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: Every day before, you know what was yesterday Tuesday, So

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this here. Here's the issue.

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Speaker 1: The stealing of the defensive signals of the other team.

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Speaker 1: That benefits Tom Brady knowing what they're playing. Okay, like

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Speaker 1: knowing what defensive If your coach knows what they're playing,

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Speaker 3: You're gonna know, you know.

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Speaker 1: What kind of zone or whatever they're in, or what

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Speaker 3: Number Two, Robert Kraft's not in. So this is a

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Speaker 3: patriot thing, right, yeah, Robert Kraft. That could be Robert

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Speaker 3: Kraft thirteen years in a row.

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Speaker 1: He's tried to get in one three thirteen years and

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Speaker 1: Robert Kraft, I hope not, but could die any day

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Speaker 3: See that moment he was in charge.

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Speaker 5: Well, only thing I could argue. There's great points, but

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Speaker 5: I wonder if it's institutional right. You were the owner

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Speaker 1: So you're you guys, and you're the quarterback who gets

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Speaker 1: all the glory. And there are other Patriots who won

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Speaker 1: in either Rodney Harrison, there's other people.

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Speaker 3: I'm not even denying that.

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Speaker 1: many Super Bowls did he win with a kid?

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Speaker 5: And if anybody in special teams you would think would

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Speaker 5: So this could be institutionalized, you know, consequences, like anybody

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Speaker 5: from that original run of Patriots. You're getting the smoke

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Speaker 5: and that very well could be that. I'm not shocked

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Speaker 5: we'd have one little segment about it yesterday and to

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Speaker 5: be a thing, Who were these four or five people

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Speaker 6: Rob?

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Speaker 3: Did you have a vote? That's what we would ask.

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Speaker 5: We was joking, of course that first ballot for Robert

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Speaker 5: Craft to not get in, this does And I do

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Speaker 5: think part of Brady speaking, because I don't think he

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Speaker 5: because he might see that, man, is this something institutionalized

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Speaker 6: Playing eighty two games in the eighties and nineties is

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Speaker 3: Straight boulder dash poppycock.

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Speaker 5: But you know, he was very well studied, historically knows

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Speaker 5: my opinion, for multiple reasons. Number one, when we recording this,

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Speaker 3: They were going, going, going back.

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Speaker 5: Not only were they playing at a plan at a

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Speaker 5: They didn't have commercial airlines, and didn't they advanced medicine

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Speaker 5: You have everything catered to you, the best medicine, best nutrition,

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Speaker 3: Any masseuse is traveling.

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Speaker 3: When I was covering the NBA eighties, I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: Some fat guy and they're rubbing you down after I

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Speaker 5: What was to do with the Pistons for all those

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I just I'm blown away with this one.

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Speaker 5: Lebron here's a big miss because they played at a

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Speaker 5: Joe Dumars came out and said, they're saying there's no more.

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Speaker 5: Paul George, the guys who sit out the most are

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Speaker 1: Is this is this I don't know, is this UH

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Speaker 5: Mary's to make sure I prop up anything I did

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Speaker 1: I think the NBA is trying to I think they're

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Speaker 1: in on that patch, you know, that twenty three, that patch.

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Speaker 2: That he has.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it'll be for smoking so that people will

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Speaker 5: I thought you were gonna say he was smoking for

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Speaker 5: James unbelievable. Ask a little bit of doing it, anything

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Speaker 5: I just I don't see a correlation the basketball. We

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Speaker 5: It's nowhing near as physical. Guys are spaced out, Guys

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Speaker 5: the pace was higher, faster, and they're more physical now

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were excited because everybody else has been held

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Speaker 5: I think it's just bigging up anything I'm a part of,

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Speaker 5: and I'm a part of the generation y'all don't get

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Speaker 5: it as hard out here. And that's where, yeah hard

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Speaker 5: out here in the NBA street.

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Speaker 8: Not the only snub from the twenty twenty six Pro

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Speaker 8: Football Hall of Fame up. The biggest name that we

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Speaker 8: talked about last year snubbed again this year. Eli Manning,

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Speaker 8: for the second consecutive year, was a finalist, did not

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Speaker 8: nt get the votes required to actually get into Canton.

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Speaker 3: And we've talked about this at nauseam.

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Speaker 8: Eli Manning whether he's in or he's not, is gonna

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Speaker 8: be a Hall of Fame outliar, because if he gets in,

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Speaker 8: eventually he'll join Joe Namath and Sonny Jurgensen as the

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Speaker 8: only modern quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame without a

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Speaker 8: winning record at starter. But since he's not in, he

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Speaker 8: currently joins Jim Plunkett as the only quarterbacks not in

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Speaker 8: who have multiple Super Bowl wins. Calvin Washington, did the

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Speaker 8: voters get it right?

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Speaker 5: They got it right, They got it right. And again,

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Speaker 5: it's not thought. This is what we talk about when

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Speaker 5: you're supposed to name people. It's supposed to be you know,

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Speaker 5: Barry Saders, Dion saiders, Joe Montana, guys that you're like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not the pro Hall of Famer. Hall of famer.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, And so when they think of Eli, you think

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Speaker 5: of it was good. He had a couple, you know,

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Speaker 5: few years he was really good, and yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing spectacular. He absolutely got in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 5: and had a few good throws. For sure. Absolutely, that's it.

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Speaker 5: And it's really that simple to me. He's not a

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Speaker 5: Hall of Famer. And that's okay. It's not that it's

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Speaker 5: not an indictment doesn't mean he wasn't a good player,

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Speaker 5: doesn't mean he didn't have a nice career.

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Speaker 3: He's got two super Bowl rings.

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Speaker 5: Life is good, he's got the show with his brother,

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Speaker 5: He's got a bunch of money toast to the town

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Speaker 5: in New York, Like, why does he have to be

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Speaker 5: in the super Bowl just because new reasons? His last

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Speaker 5: name is Manning and he beat Brady, so that has

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Speaker 5: to be the reason why you get in the super

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Speaker 5: Bowl Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: I don't see it. I don't agree, And that's one

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Speaker 3: of the you don't want to.

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Speaker 1: I want to make a betfe Yes, let's make a

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Speaker 1: bet on what on him getting in the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame or not.

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Speaker 3: You say he's not. I would be.

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Speaker 5: I would never bet not because I just told you

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Speaker 5: there's two reasons. It won't be out of merit of

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Speaker 5: him is.

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Speaker 3: Going to merit. It would be because so are you

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Speaker 3: kidding me?

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Speaker 2: In one game?

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Speaker 3: One game, literally one game.

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Speaker 1: If he had a one off and one one and

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Speaker 1: one super Bowl like Matthew Stafford, then maybe I would.

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Speaker 3: I would be on your side.

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Speaker 1: He won two Super Bowls and has two super Bowl MVPs.

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Speaker 1: Rob G, look up, how many guys who have won

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Speaker 1: two Super Bowl MVPs who are not in the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame, and there's only one guy and he's going

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Speaker 1: to get in.

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Speaker 3: So you making his case that they got it right.

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Speaker 1: No, this is no, no, this is what this committee

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Speaker 1: does and why it's flaky. Anyway, I just told you

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Speaker 1: Chris Carter took six years. You could go on and

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Speaker 1: on and on too. Is one of the best receivers,

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Speaker 1: and talking about that four years for him to get in,

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Speaker 1: and we know the whole time it was ridiculous. And

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Speaker 1: if you honestly don't believe Eli's gonna get in, then

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Speaker 1: you haven't watched football.

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Speaker 5: What are you d No, you haven't watched nothing. At

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Speaker 5: no point was he ever one of the best quarterbacks. Say,

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Speaker 5: it's funny because he.

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Speaker 1: Also, during the same time in career of Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 1: went to the Pro Bowl three times during the same

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Speaker 1: time when Stafford was there and Stafford didn't go, So

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Speaker 1: he was at least better than Matthew Stafford during those

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Speaker 1: three years.

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Speaker 3: Right in the allegend, I'd have to look up the

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Speaker 3: exactly how did you get in?

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Speaker 8: Up?

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Speaker 5: Was that a year Matthew Stafford was injured? No, I

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Speaker 5: have to look at that. And also that is a

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Speaker 5: team thing. You know that that team nine. You know,

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Speaker 5: the team is eleven. It was sad so the Giants

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Speaker 5: where Matthew Stafford is a better quarterback than Eli Manning,

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Speaker 5: ninety percent of people would say, no, he's not had

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Speaker 5: a good career, a couple of rings, but at.

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Speaker 3: No point was he. People going into it, we gotta

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Speaker 3: shut down.

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Speaker 5: The signature throws in the history of the two He's

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Speaker 5: got two and we talk about it all. The team

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Speaker 5: literally has two throws. Somebody can get one, but two

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Speaker 5: he and that's it. You know, the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 5: is not all of two games. It's the Hall of

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Speaker 5: your whole career. And there's been nothing about him that

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Speaker 5: puts him on that level. That's my thing. There's nothing

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Speaker 5: about him that on a Hall of Fame level quarterback.

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Speaker 1: A guy who has the idea that was four Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl MVPs, who's more knowing the Super Bowl I'm okay,

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Speaker 1: and the idea Eli and beat Tom Brady your alleged

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Speaker 1: goat two times.

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Speaker 5: And the times that Eli man is anywhere here in

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Speaker 5: the in the same room as Joe Montana is crazy.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy. Eli Manny has two throws. That's it.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have two throws because first of all, he

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Speaker 3: didn't throw. He didn't throw a game.

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Speaker 1: When a touchdown on the throat, uh the helmet catch,

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Speaker 1: he still needed to throw.

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Speaker 5: That was just that was a touch that That wasn't

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Speaker 5: an amazing throat to Plexico bur That wasn't an amazing throw.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just saying touchdowns and the Super Bowl. But

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Speaker 3: he had to throw. He didn't win a year. Someone

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Speaker 3: throws lucky throw and I was winning the game. He

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Speaker 3: literally is ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: He is the whole man one seventeen one seventeen in

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Speaker 5: his record, listen to his completion percentage. He barely got

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Speaker 5: over Said's sixty point three, barely. And then you make

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Speaker 5: from of Sam Darner who had twenty total uh hurnovers

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Speaker 5: this year. Well, your boy, Eli, twenty one year, twenty

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Speaker 5: five in another year, twenty seven in another year. Those

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Speaker 5: are just interceptions, not even to mention fumbles.

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Speaker 3: Eli. Manning had a fine career. That's to be the

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Speaker 3: end of it.

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl when he had a fine career.

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Speaker 1: You don't win two super Bowls over those Patriots when

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Speaker 1: they were cheating during that time, and you broke the

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Speaker 1: cheat code, that's why. But Bill Belichick was winning against

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Speaker 1: everybody else and guests who beat the cheat code.

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Speaker 3: It was Eli Manning, It's not four.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't they just shut out the Patriots. If you told

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Speaker 1: me that Eli won seven and nothing in both of

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Speaker 1: those games, and the defense held Tom Brady and the

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Speaker 1: Patriots to nothing, then maybe I would buy into that

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Speaker 1: they were behind and they needed Eli to come through.

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Speaker 3: I'm not questioned it.

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Speaker 5: He didn't have a few throws, never arguing that they want,

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Speaker 5: you know one, you know what they won.

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Speaker 3: Why did you give anybody from the front four? They want?

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Speaker 5: Seventeen to fourteen? That's called great defense. I shot out

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Speaker 5: that team, that same team that was eighteen to no

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Speaker 5: you know what they were doing, lighting the league up,

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Speaker 5: Randy Moss all over the place, touch kins, and we

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Speaker 5: hold the Patriots to fourteen point credit to the defense.

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Speaker 5: Seventeen that's called you know they did the next next

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Speaker 5: time they won twenty twelve Giants twenty one Patriots. What seventeen?

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Speaker 5: So in two games, the high flying Patriots scored thirty

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Speaker 5: one points total. That shows me it's it's Coughlin in

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Speaker 5: that defense. What are you talking about? Your ranting and

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Speaker 5: raving about giving up. He gave up seventeen points in both.

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Speaker 5: They didn't shut them out, They didn't put it down

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Speaker 5: where they were down. Only gave up two field goals

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Speaker 5: or some point.

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Speaker 3: Nothing like it up.

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Speaker 5: He scored seventeen and he scored twenty one. And that

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Speaker 5: defense congress with him no, held the Patriots to fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Patriots beat the Rams in their last Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: That's when the defense and Tom Brady had no touchdowns

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Speaker 1: in a turnover and a fumble, and they won that

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Speaker 1: game thirteen to three or whatever it was. That's where

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Speaker 1: the defense shut down a team.

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Speaker 5: Even a good team eighteen three or ten and six

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Speaker 5: getting in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: What not even a good team.

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Speaker 1: It's even more so tells you about Eli. Tell me

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Speaker 1: that is It tells you he elevated when it mattered

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Speaker 1: more defensive team you talk about Eli.

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Speaker 5: They held the Patriots to fourteen points and the next

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Speaker 5: time seventeen points. Especially at fourteen from the high flying

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Speaker 5: two thousand and eight, Eli had a nice you're so

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Speaker 5: short that he had hit, you said, But you won't

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Speaker 5: say he's not getting it, no, because I know the

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Speaker 5: same reason why I would have thought I would have

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Speaker 5: lost my house if I told you Bill Belichick wouldn't

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Speaker 5: getting it because of his people. But absolutely with no marriage.

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Speaker 5: That's why you talked to fourth slayers. I can't get

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Speaker 5: mad about the idea. I gotta be in the same

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Speaker 5: hall of fame with Eli rod Woodson.

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Speaker 3: Right now. You got one name, give me another name.

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Speaker 3: Give me another name. I can tell you plenty of

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Speaker 3: the players. Give me another name. Anytime. I will give

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Speaker 3: me another name. Don't go on your computer give me another.

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Speaker 5: No money it look up on this because there's plenty

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Speaker 5: of layers who come out and they always say.

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Speaker 3: You've got the fine story stopping five seven seven. You

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Speaker 3: don't get there for at least two more times.

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Speaker 5: Okay, eight seven cent. But you won't bet me because

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Speaker 5: you know he's gonna win, not because there could be

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Speaker 5: a sympathy. All right, he's been on it long enough.

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Speaker 5: Let's we just saw t O took four years. If

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Speaker 5: you can press carters.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to tell your receiver to a top

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Speaker 1: forty quarter craft thirteen years

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Speaker 3: On the owner, and they don't like theirs