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Speaker 1: Every day a week ago.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: You don't finished the y'all done morning. Everybody is DJ

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Speaker 3: n V, Jesse hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We are to

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Speaker 3: breakfast Club long. The rules is here with us as well.

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Speaker 3: We got a special guest in the building, indeed, Tim Shriver,

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Speaker 3: Welcome guy.

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Speaker 1: You nice to be here. I appreciate you'all having.

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Speaker 4: Me tell them a little bit about who Tim Shriver

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Speaker 4: is before we get started about why you're hear well.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in a big family, a lot of politicians.

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Speaker 1: I started my career teaching. I spent fifteen years teaching

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Speaker 1: in the New Haven Public schools. UH created a field

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Speaker 1: called social and Emotional learning, looking at the mental health

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Speaker 1: issues and the challenges a lot of kids face across

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Speaker 1: all income, race, gender, all that kind of stuff, and

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Speaker 1: spent the last twenty five years in Special Olympics working

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Speaker 1: on disability, healing the gap between people who do and

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Speaker 1: don't have intellectual developmental disabilities. In the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: I've been trying to figure out there's a way to

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Speaker 1: heal the gaps in our country. You're a chairman, yes, sir.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and Tim.

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Speaker 4: Tim has created a survey thatttracts how we're treating each

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Speaker 4: other in America called the Dignity Barometer.

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Speaker 1: Dignity Barometer, what is that? So the question you know,

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Speaker 1: sear we've been asking, I think the country has been asking,

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Speaker 1: is what's tearing us apart so badly? Why are we

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Speaker 1: so angry? Why are we so anxious? Why are mental

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Speaker 1: health problems growing? Why can't we talk about issues? Why

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Speaker 1: can't we solve problems? Our view is that we sometimes

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Speaker 1: I diagnose the problem as we differ, come from different backgrounds.

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Speaker 1: We don't think it's differences that are the problems. We

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Speaker 1: think it's how we treat each other when we differ,

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Speaker 1: which is a whole different set of questions. So we

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Speaker 1: decided to measure how do Americans think about how they're

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Speaker 1: treating one another? Uh, And that's the this is why

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Speaker 1: we've we launched this. This is called the Dignity Barometer.

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Speaker 1: And we think at the heart of figuring out how

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Speaker 1: we get more justice, more joy, more progress as a

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Speaker 1: country is figuring out what to treat each other better.

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Speaker 1: And that's what the survey tells us.

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Speaker 4: This survey said that ninety four percent of Americans believe

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Speaker 4: that all people deserve to be treated with dignity.

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Speaker 1: So what can you do You believe.

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Speaker 4: That I'm not gonna lie the same high But who's

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Speaker 4: gonna lie about that?

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Speaker 1: No? I know, but I mean it's it is. We

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Speaker 1: were hoping we would get like fifty five percent would

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Speaker 1: question was going to be like forty or thirty percent. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think those people should be I don't think

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Speaker 1: You know. I thought we were gonna get a lot

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Speaker 1: ninety four percent. Well, yeah, that's an aspirational goal for

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Speaker 1: us as a country. And and and what's equally interesting

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Speaker 1: I think in the barometer is that they say this

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Speaker 1: is just as important, almost as important as the economy.

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Speaker 1: People say, I think the number is eighty eighty six

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Speaker 1: percent say the cost of living is the most important issue.

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Speaker 1: The next one is eighty three percent, say, you know,

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Speaker 1: talks the toxic culture is the next most important issue.

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Speaker 1: So it's a kitchen table We call it a kitchen

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Speaker 1: You're also talking about do you trust your fellow Americans?

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Speaker 1: That's important to people, and they see it as a crisis.

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Speaker 4: So what does that tell you about society when you

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Speaker 2: Like, what does that tell you society wants?

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Speaker 1: It tells me that people are hungry for leadership to

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Speaker 1: show them how to do that. They will great rate.

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Speaker 1: They rate the problem is coming from politics and the media, honestly,

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Speaker 1: own aspirations. This is what was surprising. More than half

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Speaker 1: little bit like we're naming the problem as politics, you know,

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Speaker 1: can each be a part of solving. I said, you

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Speaker 1: know the other day, just came out of our mouth.

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Speaker 1: Not most of us can't solve the war in Iran,

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Speaker 1: but we can solve the war at home. We can.

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Speaker 1: That's it within our power. We don't have to wait

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Speaker 1: if we had leadership from those people, it would be great,

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Speaker 1: you've been talking for years now, Charlotte about mental health

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Speaker 1: do we build mental wealth you find and you feel

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Speaker 1: like you're treated with dignity? Absolutely, That's that's where it starts.

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Speaker 1: When your dignity is violated, how can you be healthy?

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Speaker 1: How how can you not resort to hostility and anger

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Speaker 1: I think that would go a long way towards helping

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Speaker 5: I've seen you say people who use this index like

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Speaker 5: in politics, it won't like censor like government, right, But

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Speaker 5: how do you not censor? Like looking at the people

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Speaker 5: who lead our government in certain administrations or whatever, how

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Speaker 5: do you not censor but also tell them to treat

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Speaker 5: other people with dignity when a lot of what they're

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Speaker 5: saying and doing is the opposite of treating people with dignity.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're just trying to Like. What I like to

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Speaker 1: say is there's a new issue. So we might differ

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Speaker 1: on what we should do in climate change, right, you

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Speaker 1: and I, But we can discuss it, and you can say, well,

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Speaker 1: on this moment, we should have done this, or we

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Speaker 1: we should have discussions. Is it appropriate for the mayor,

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Speaker 1: the governor, the president, the senator to speak this way?

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Speaker 1: How do you defend using this much contempt? Mister mayor,

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Speaker 4: the first part because the first part is asking an answer.

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Speaker 2: We know that is the way that they should be

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Speaker 2: What did you say?

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Speaker 1: Well, what I'm saying is, here's the thing, shark. Most

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Speaker 1: people don't see their own contempt. Do you see the

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Speaker 1: your Like this woman said to me, I hate hateful people. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I did that last week in my therapist.

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Speaker 4: I literally, I literally was talking to my therapist about

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Speaker 4: But I didn't actually hate them. I hated what they represent. Okay,

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Speaker 4: The point is like I became what I became, the

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Speaker 1: You we all do that and we we get but

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Speaker 1: if we started to catch ourselves challenge ourselves. We've seen

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Speaker 1: He really tried to treat the accused, perpetrator, the victim,

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Speaker 1: He tried not to get trapped in the political advice.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to return hatred with hatred.

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Speaker 4: If a give to the perpetrators at a crime, I

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Speaker 4: often wonder about that. Often I wonder if that is

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Speaker 1: Well, I think in your heart, you know, we all

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Speaker 1: know the difference. We lie sometimes when we say what

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Speaker 1: also real evidence that many people have been able to

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Speaker 1: transform hate and turn it. You know, like doctor King said,

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Speaker 1: you know, the only thing that will, you know, defeat

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Speaker 1: to return that contempt with with your principles, but without hatred.

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Speaker 1: I mean, our point here is don't don't dim your principles,

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Speaker 1: you know, don't don't don't be a centrist on everything.

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Speaker 1: Don't become you know like that. That's not the point

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Speaker 1: of dignity. The point of dignity is to fight for

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Speaker 1: your principles. We say, add one when you're fighting for

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Speaker 1: when you treat them with dignity, but challenge fiercely, strongly, passionately,

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Speaker 1: Like you said, you were so angry at what the

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Speaker 1: And this is what the poll is telling us. People want.

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Speaker 1: You know, when we said why should we bother treating

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Speaker 1: are watching. Our children are watching. Wow, our children are

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Speaker 1: If I'm fifteen, sixteen years old today and I see

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Speaker 1: I see people who threaten me. I see a future

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Speaker 1: I can't understand. I see a job market I can't

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Speaker 1: a mental health crisis? We have to reverse this because

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Speaker 1: showing them nothing but hatred and contempt for each other,

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Speaker 1: we're going to see these numbers get even worse. They're

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Speaker 4: And some other data that the Dignity Baramada showed with

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Speaker 4: thirty one percent of people say we actually treat people

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Speaker 2: What'd you think of that number?

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Speaker 1: I think it's honest. That seemed very low. It's low,

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Speaker 1: super progressive. And I ask people, last time you talk politics,

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Speaker 1: I give them the dignity index, and I show them

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Speaker 1: here's a one. A one is violence and hatred, A

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Speaker 1: two is hatred, A three is disdain, you know, and

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Speaker 1: a four is just I'm superior to you. So those

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Speaker 1: are the scores hatred, disdain, violence, and superiority. I say,

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Speaker 1: when you last talk politics, how would you score yourself

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Speaker 1: or just superiority. Most people score themselves a two, which

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Speaker 1: is hateful. When I speak when last time you talk

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Speaker 3: In certain instance, I do believe that you can hate somebody,

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Speaker 3: Just my opinion when it comes to quote unquote hate. Now,

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Speaker 1: focused in many, many different moments in time on issues

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Speaker 1: of race and culture and these kinds of things. What

438
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Speaker 1: is racism if not institutionalized hatred for sure? Okay, So

439
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Speaker 1: it's an institutionalization of the humiliation and demeaning and hatred

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Speaker 1: of a group of people. So, you know, if we

441
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Speaker 1: want to end it, we have to end hatred because

442
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 1: at the surface, at the heart of it is hatred

443
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Speaker 1: is a sense of superiority, is a sense of disdain

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Speaker 1: for people that come from a different certain background or

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Speaker 1: certain skin color. As crazy as it is, that's what

446
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Speaker 1: we's that's the reality. So I just want to I

447
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Speaker 1: want to talk systems. I want to talk house, I

448
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Speaker 1: want to talk healthcare, I want to talk education. That's

449
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Speaker 1: my background. I want to talk all those things. I

450
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Speaker 1: also want to talk about this as a country. And

451
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Speaker 1: that's what the Baromra says.

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Speaker 3: So where does the hate?

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Speaker 2: How do we stop hate? Right?

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Speaker 3: Especially in really good question now, I feel like our

455
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Speaker 3: community has seen probably one of the worst hate right.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you from my.

457
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Speaker 3: Dad serving in Vietnam, him and the troops coming, you know,

458
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Speaker 3: going to a restaurant, the white troops going to a restaurant, he.

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Speaker 2: Has to sit outside.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's hate from built up. He will never forget that.

461
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Speaker 3: He talks about that all the time. You know, how

462
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Speaker 3: he feels towards people because those are the same people

463
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Speaker 3: he fought for this country for and it looked at

464
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Speaker 3: him differently when he got off that barret, you know

465
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Speaker 3: what I mean. So it's like that's embedded in his

466
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Speaker 3: life and how he feels. So he always looks at

467
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Speaker 3: white people like that because he remembers that. He remembers

468
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Speaker 3: taking a bus and sit in the back. He remembers

469
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Speaker 3: being a bus driving him, throwing things at him. He

470
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Speaker 3: remember those things, so that hate is embedded because those

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Speaker 3: people hated him.

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Speaker 1: I h you know, as a country or as a

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Speaker 1: person who's who's who believes in this country. It breaks

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Speaker 1: my heart. I know it's true that happened, and it happens, right,

475
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Speaker 1: It's not just what your dad experience. You know, I

476
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Speaker 1: don't have to say it on this show. That kind

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Speaker 1: of behavior still happened, and it's a it's a stain

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Speaker 1: on our country, and it's a stain on me as

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Speaker 1: a as a white man. And I you know, I'll

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Speaker 1: come back to the question you asked, which is how

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Speaker 1: do we how do we end at And you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of theories on how you end hatred.

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Speaker 1: One of them is you kill people who are hateful,

484
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Speaker 1: that's war. One of them is you canceled, destroy, demean,

485
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Speaker 1: humiliate people who are hateful. That's prison, or cancel culture.

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Speaker 1: And you know those things, you know, like fra All

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Speaker 1: Williams said, after you know, I use a great I

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Speaker 1: think it's a great quote from fra All Williams. He

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Speaker 1: just said it on a daytime talk show about eight

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Speaker 1: years ago. He said, you know, you have to choose

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Speaker 1: what side you're on. Mm hmm uh So what side

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Speaker 1: of what what? You know? He his his language was,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna choose empathy, I'm going to choose choose inclusion.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna choose love for everybody, just wishing people the

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Speaker 1: best as a way of transforming hatred. Uh, I don't

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Speaker 1: know that it always works, not maybe not in the

497
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Speaker 1: short term, but in the long term. I think you

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Speaker 1: know the thing, you know, like if you're a teacher

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Speaker 1: and you go to you're in the playground, you're in

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Speaker 1: the cafeteria, and there's a fight going on. You know what,

501
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Speaker 1: everybody says, he started it. Of course he started it.

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Speaker 1: And at a certain point like who, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: important who started it? But who's going to stop it?

504
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Speaker 1: Who's going to stop it?

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Speaker 2: Who's going to stop it?

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Speaker 1: Who's going to stop the behavior that that that damaged

507
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Speaker 1: and demean and humiliated your dad. Who's going to stop it?

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Speaker 1: And how are we going to stop it?

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Speaker 2: And what's the atonement for it?

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Speaker 1: And what's and what's the what's the reconciliation, you know,

511
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Speaker 1: the truth and reconciliation they did in South Africa, what's

512
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Speaker 1: the reconciliation process? What's the you know, uh, you know,

513
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Speaker 1: in schools, we try to get rid of punitive discipline

514
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Speaker 1: and create restorative practices so that people can learn how

515
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Speaker 1: to make amends for things they've done wrong to kids

516
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Speaker 1: at four, six, eight, ten, twelve, fourteen, sixteen years old

517
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Speaker 1: can learn the process of undoing the pain through making

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Speaker 1: some kind of restorative practice, through apology, through rebuilding trust, slowly, slowly,

519
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Speaker 1: trying to start on a new foot.

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Speaker 3: But that's a tall order. When everything that you said

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Speaker 3: is it feels like it's dialed back, right, you say, well,

522
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Speaker 3: how do we stop it? When in twenty twenty six,

523
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, they're pulling books out of schools, which

524
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Speaker 3: is African American legacies. Right, we have all these amazing

525
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Speaker 3: black entrepreneurs in all these different stores, right, and they

526
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Speaker 3: wouldn't be in those stores but they would have to force.

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Speaker 3: And those products are selling amazing, so that means it

528
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Speaker 3: was the right, the right thing to do. They pull

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Speaker 3: back the Now all those people that were selling taken

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Speaker 3: out of the stores. So how do you do that

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Speaker 3: when it feels like is dialed back? In twenty twenty six,

532
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Speaker 3: when things are supposed to be getting better and was

533
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Speaker 3: supposed to be moving on in dignity and all that,

534
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Speaker 3: but it seems like every year it gets worse, it

535
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Speaker 3: gets worse, And how do you expect people not to

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Speaker 3: hate the system that's making it.

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Speaker 1: Worse, don't. I don't think anything that you said there

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Speaker 1: is hateful. I think what you said is there's laws

539
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Speaker 1: and rules that are unfair, that are unjust. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I happen to agree with you. Somebody else might sittor

541
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Speaker 1: and say I don't agree. I don't like affirmative action,

542
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Speaker 1: you know, or I love affirmative action. I happen to

543
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Speaker 1: agree with you. But I don't think what you said

544
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Speaker 1: was hateful. I think what you said is there's policies

545
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Speaker 1: that are damaging the lives of Americans. Hard working, caring, smart,

546
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Speaker 1: creative Americans are being hurt by policies being enacted by

547
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Speaker 1: this administration. Game one. That's how it Coversation about it

548
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Speaker 1: is DEI gone. I mean maybe in some places people

549
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Speaker 1: are changing their language and stuff like that, but is

550
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Speaker 1: this country no longer committed? I mean, in the special

551
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Speaker 1: Olympics world, we call ourselves the Inclusion Revolution. I that's

552
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Speaker 1: the eye of DEI inclusion revolution. We go all schools

553
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Speaker 1: all over the country trying to help people see that

554
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Speaker 1: this child you thought was hopeless and helpless and a victim,

555
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: and somebody you wanted out of your school, out of

556
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Speaker 1: your classroom, out of your place of business, belongs people

557
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Speaker 1: are still welcoming it. So I think, I think the

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Speaker 1: heart of the country is open. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: there's there's a there's a possibility in the future. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm naive. You know, you might say I'm naive. I've

561
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: been accused of that before, but I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: our history tells us that leaders can rise up and

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Speaker 1: can change the narrative for us and can bring us

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Speaker 1: greater dignity. We've seen this in other countries when there

565
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Speaker 1: have been governments that have appeared totalitarian or if appeared authoritarian,

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Speaker 1: and leaders rise up sometimes from the people and they say, no,

567
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Speaker 1: we want a different path, or do we want to

568
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Speaker 1: just retaliate and do revenge because they started it? And

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Speaker 1: you know what, they say, the guy before me started it.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna end up in either a revenge cycle

571
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Speaker 1: or a healing cycle. And maybe there's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of us in each one. There's a little bit of

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Speaker 1: us that wants healing and a little bit of us

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Speaker 1: that wants revenge. Okay, game on, let's have that conversation.

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Speaker 4: This is anter other conversations because you know, Endy's not wrong,

576
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Speaker 4: You're not wrong either. And you know, like you said

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Speaker 4: in light History, I think about like Martin Luther King

578
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Speaker 4: Junior record, there's evidence that what you're talking about his

579
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Speaker 4: work them. Okay, Junior always talked about, you know, the

580
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Speaker 4: power of love, right.

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Speaker 2: He talked about how he.

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Speaker 4: Decided to stick with love because he knows that love

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Speaker 4: is ultimately the only answer to human kind problems, which

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Speaker 4: you still had to have a leader like your uncle,

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Speaker 4: John F. Kennedy, who who understood that, who felt that,

586
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Speaker 4: who had compassion for what other people were going through.

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Speaker 4: So I wonder was that message was that what made

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Speaker 4: your uncle move the way he moved.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think so, I think. Look, he grew

590
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Speaker 1: up with a sister who had an intellectual disability. So

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Speaker 1: take this. You know, in nineteen twenty, to have an

592
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Speaker 1: intellectual disability met you got put an institution for life,

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Speaker 1: locked up, parents told give up your kid, put it

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Speaker 1: in his you know, half the time, no clothing. So

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Speaker 1: that's what that's what would have happened to his sister.

596
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Speaker 1: But his sister stayed home. My grandparents made the most

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Speaker 1: important decision I think of their lives with just to

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Speaker 1: keep their child with a disability at home. So that

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Speaker 1: young man, John Little John Kennedy grew up with a

600
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Speaker 1: sister of the world hated and he loved, and so

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Speaker 1: he knew something was wrong with the world because he

602
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: knew his sister was beautiful and competent and caring and

603
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Speaker 1: funny and playful and socially great, and she couldn't go

604
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Speaker 1: to school. There was no school literally, So.

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Speaker 2: He had compassion for marginal lives communities.

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Speaker 1: I think I think he learned it at the at

607
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Speaker 1: his own kitchen table, just like a lot of us

608
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Speaker 1: learned it at our own kitchen tables. And so the

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Speaker 1: question is, can you know, can we can we create

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Speaker 1: a viral movement. That's what doctor King did. He's he

611
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: awakened people to the dignity. I mean, that's what that's

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Speaker 1: what the that's what the march was. That's that's what

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Speaker 1: the sit in protests were. I'm sitting here because I

614
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Speaker 1: own my own dignity. I'm not getting up from this seat. No,

615
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Speaker 1: Miss Park said, I Am not moving. And all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, not all of a sudden. That's

617
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Speaker 1: that's the wrong way to put it. But over time

618
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Speaker 1: hearts began to soften. If you read that, if you want,

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Speaker 1: if you want the best treatise in American history on dignity,

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Speaker 1: in my view, just my personal opinion, reread. I know

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Speaker 1: everybody's read it, but reread after this conversation the letter

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Speaker 1: from a Birmingham City jail. Read the long version. Don't

623
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Speaker 1: read the short version. The people. Sometimes you see it

624
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: on the internet. You get the three paragraphs, not three

625
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: paragraph It's like five thousand words. And he fiercely challenges

626
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: the bigotry and the segregationists and the accommodationists of mostly

627
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: religious leaders, but find in there a hateful word towards

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Speaker 1: I was talking to this guy the other day. He

629
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Speaker 1: runs the one of the big museums in Atlanta, and

630
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Speaker 1: his grandfather was one of those white ministers in Birmingham

631
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Speaker 1: who doctor King was writing to in that Birmingham and

632
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Speaker 1: he I haven't dug into this much, but he said,

633
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Speaker 1: you know, that letter changed my grandfather's life. And the

634
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: grandfather is still alive. So I'm guessing a couple of

635
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: those preachers that he was writing to those ministers, he

636
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: was writing to are still living. So I I just

637
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 1: think that's we got a better shot that way. I

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00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: just wonder if that's not quick, you know, taking somebody

639
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: out is quicker.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just wonder if that will work with just

641
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Speaker 4: with a regime implementing authoritarian strategy.

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Speaker 2: That's all I just wonder. And also I wonder if

643
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Speaker 2: it's even about the regime.

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00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 4: Maybe it's just about us, maybe us as people, because

645
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 4: you know, I feel like the greatest you know, political

646
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 4: institution in this country.

647
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: Is we the people.

648
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: That's it, right, That's right.

649
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 4: But maybe it starts with us having dignity for each other.

650
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Speaker 4: Maybe we need to be the body that you know

651
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Speaker 4: comes down.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what that's what the data says.

653
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Speaker 1: I mean, in the end of the day, I'm here

654
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Speaker 1: because there's new data, and the data says people want that,

655
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: and we don't have to wait for the president. But

656
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: let's be clear, hateful politicians survive and thrive when they

657
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: tap in to the hate in us on both sides. Now,

658
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's morally equivalent on both sides,

659
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Speaker 1: but I'm saying the tactics are sometimes equivalent. Hatred on

660
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Speaker 1: one side is not necessarily better than hatred on the

661
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Speaker 1: other side, even if the cause might be better on

662
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Speaker 1: one side or the other. So I think people are

663
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Speaker 1: starving to hear a conversation like that. I mean, I'm

664
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Speaker 1: gett I hope people's like, wow, that's interesting. I agree

665
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Speaker 1: with him. No, I don't agree with him. No, maybe

666
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Speaker 1: we should try it there. Maybe we shouldn't try it there.

667
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Speaker 1: Maybe I could have said that differently. That's what kids

668
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Speaker 1: when I present this stuff, invariably kids say, you know what,

669
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Speaker 1: I put a post up. Yes, I'm gonna take it down.

670
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Speaker 1: I attacked. And kids see this, Kids see the attacks,

671
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Speaker 1: the vicious. You know, you're disgusting, you jerk, you're hopeless,

672
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: you're ugly. You know. This is what kids are seeing

673
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Speaker 1: at ten, twelve, fourteen years old. And when they hear

674
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Speaker 1: that there's another way to do this, they almost all

675
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Speaker 1: of them. I'm telling you, it's amazing. I'm talking to

676
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Speaker 1: assemblies five, six, seven oundred kids. They almost always I'm

677
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Speaker 1: going to take a post down I put up yesterday.

678
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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 7: There are actually like the streamers that categorize rage bait,

680
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Speaker 7: it's called rage bait. They do nothing but bait people

681
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Speaker 7: to be angry. They say things they could be not

682
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 7: just racist things, but just anything to get people riled up.

683
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 7: Like that's an actual category on this show.

684
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Speaker 1: It's a business that you know, Amanda Ripley calls them

685
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 1: conflict entrepreneursh oh, I like that, you know, and they're

686
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: just out there trying to get us furious. Yeah, so

687
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: that you go to you you have to go to

688
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Speaker 1: your therapists, Like God, I can't hate this mother. I

689
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: hate this mother. I can't stand it. Because you've been

690
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: more often than not, you've been caught by rage bait. Yeah,

691
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: and you've been. You've been. You've seen the conflict entrepreneurs,

692
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Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes like I said, I had this

693
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Speaker 1: focused group with seventh graders out in eighth graders in

694
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Speaker 1: Des Moines, Iowa's a couple of years ago. I was

695
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Speaker 1: talking about bullying and contempt and what's it like in

696
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Speaker 1: your school. The kids, well young girls, said, you know,

697
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Speaker 1: we don't have much bullying in the school. So I

698
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Speaker 1: asked another questions like when you do, do the teachers care? Yeah,

699
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Speaker 1: the teachers care. I said, well, what about you in

700
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Speaker 1: the peer groups when there's bullies? She says, that's a

701
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: third question you asked me about bullying. I'm telling you

702
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: we do not have have a bullying problem. Says you

703
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: want to find bullies, go look at the adults. Wow,

704
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: in ties and suits and boardrooms and halls of congress.

705
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Speaker 1: That's what she said. She said, When I go home,

706
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Speaker 1: I see my mom watching TV. That's where the bullies are.

707
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Speaker 1: Bullies aren't in my school.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

709
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Speaker 1: So the kids know that it's us. And again I'm

710
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: not saying this is the absolute you know, right and wrong.

711
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, when you start to see like the map

712
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: in your mind, like you were just describing to me,

713
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: this map in your mind when someone comes in and

714
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: takes the life of your children, your family, and how

715
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Speaker 1: you would move from being a maybe a peaceful or

716
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: they're a happy person, down down down into the descent

717
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: of hatred and venom and retaliation. And that that's a

718
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: map we've all known, and there's a map that lets

719
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: us move up, you know. And the steps we can

720
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Speaker 1: go through, and the healing we can go through, and

721
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Speaker 1: the therapy we can go through, and the faith we

722
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Speaker 1: can manage and the trust we can build. You know,

723
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Speaker 1: we all have different solutions. The music we can listen to,

724
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Speaker 1: I think that's a good conversation, like how do we

725
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Speaker 1: move up and how do we get the you know,

726
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Speaker 1: the rage bait out of our system. I mean if

727
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Speaker 1: you said, have a cup of poison in the morning,

728
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Speaker 1: so that's not good for you, but we consume a

729
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: whole dose of rage bait and that's not good for

730
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Speaker 1: you either. That's even in my view, I mean depends

731
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Speaker 1: on what the point. It's almost worse. The data says

732
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Speaker 1: people understand that me and me had a question.

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Speaker 6: Well we were talking, you were talking earlier, and I'll

734
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Speaker 6: bring it back to rage bait. Yeah, we have our

735
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Speaker 6: President of the United States basically rage bating us every

736
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Speaker 6: single day. I mean, he recently just said he was

737
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Speaker 6: happy that Robert Muehler, you know, was dead right. So

738
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Speaker 6: how do we how do we continue to process that

739
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 6: when every day we continue to hear things like that

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Speaker 6: coming from the top.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a perfect answer for you there. I

742
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Speaker 1: tell you what I do. I limit my intake because

743
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: some of that is not news anymore than I would

744
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: watch a ku Klux Klan website. I don't I don't

745
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: go there. I don't mean it's not happening, but it's

746
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Speaker 1: not important to me. So I think a lot of

747
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: people in schools, we're doing this. Now, limit your intake.

748
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: Don't click on everything that says something that you think

749
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 1: is outrageous, not because you know you want to live

750
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: in a in a in a fantasy world, but because

751
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: you want to limit the poison going into your body.

752
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: And sometimes that's all it is. Sometimes we're just spinning

753
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: on poison. So one thing is limit your intake. A

754
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: second thing is to figure out how to process and

755
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: manage your anger and channel it in the things that

756
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Speaker 1: will make a difference. Because just retaliating that that post

757
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: is offensive or hateful of whatever. I think what a

758
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: lot of people want to do is figure out how

759
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Speaker 1: to create an alternative.

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Speaker 6: And to your point, I think a lot of people

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Speaker 6: are doing that. We have the no Kings protests right, yeah,

762
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Speaker 6: coming up, or a lot of people are pulling together

763
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Speaker 6: to fight back.

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Speaker 7: And to say that this is not okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are. And I just hope,

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Speaker 1: you know, the next round of political action doesn't begin

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Speaker 1: with no I mean, no Kings, I get it, yeah,

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00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: but I'm hoping the next round of political action begins

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Speaker 1: with what we want? Yeah, what do we want? We want?

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Speaker 1: We want a country where people treat I mean, look,

772
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Speaker 1: maybe AI is coming for our jobs. I don't know.

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00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe nuclear weapons are coming for our lives.

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00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. But in the meantime, we have three

775
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: hundred plus million people in this We got a lot

776
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: of pain in our past and in our present. We

777
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: got a lot of anxiety in our children and our families.

778
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Speaker 1: There's one group of people that can do something about it.

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Speaker 1: That's us. I think it's a good place to start.

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Speaker 1: So now that we have this data, what do we

781
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Speaker 1: do with it. I know, you got the website dignity

782
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Speaker 1: dot us. Dignity dot us check out you can check

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Speaker 1: out the data there. We have a series of training

784
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Speaker 1: programs we're doing with businesses. We've trained like thirty thousand

785
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Speaker 1: employees in companies that want more dignity in their leaders,

786
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Speaker 1: in their problem solving, in their team building, and we're

787
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Speaker 1: getting great results from that. We have a partnership with

788
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Speaker 1: the National Governors Association try to get governors. You know,

789
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Speaker 1: we're not at the level of the federal government, but

790
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: the states are really important and how our governor's lead

791
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: is often you know, a big part of our daily life.

792
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Speaker 1: So we got a lot of governors, governors like Wes Moore,

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Speaker 1: Josh Shapiro, Spencer Cox, Kevin Stitt who are joining us,

794
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Speaker 1: Jared Poulis who are joining us and saying I'm committing

795
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Speaker 1: to leading with dignity. So we're working with politicians to

796
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Speaker 1: try to train them in the skills of dignity, and

797
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: we're working with schools. And here's the newest one. We

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Speaker 1: haven't really gotten going on this, but we've had a

799
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Speaker 1: lot of requests from faith leaders. You know why, because

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Speaker 1: they say they're trapped in hating other faith leaders. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they have hatred in their congress. Why would they

802
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: hate these other like well that you see progressive faith

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Speaker 1: leaders who see these white men, what's that.

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Speaker 2: You get more time than Offers and me on today?

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but maybe it's just they see the violation of

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Speaker 1: their principles. Somebody claiming to be a Christian who is

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Speaker 1: you know, pro immigrant, something claiming to be a Christian

808
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Speaker 1: who is pro white nationalists, and people go, I can't

809
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: that person's ah, I hate that guy. And so the

810
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: breakdown in the faith based community. And let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm a person of faith, but faith

812
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: is you know, saved my life, but it's also been

813
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: a source of a lot of hatred over the years.

814
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: So we have people in the community of believers who

815
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: haven't quite figured out how to answer the question we're

816
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: asking ourselves is, which is when we see things that

817
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: we find unacceptable, unjust, how can we respond with love?

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00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: Can we do what doctor King said? It's not easy.

819
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: Even people who preach it can't necessarily do it. So

820
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Speaker 1: we have like a whole skills framework, Charlotte. You know,

821
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Speaker 1: you can show you how to be a better listener,

822
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: show you how to be more curious, show you how

823
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Speaker 1: to stand up for your principles without dehumanizing other people.

824
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: So we're building a little toolkit to try to Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 6: To your point the protests in Minnesota with the.

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Speaker 1: Pastor exactly, Yeah, I mean you saw this and a

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Speaker 1: lot of those people were faith based. You know, had Lutherans,

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Speaker 1: you had Catholics, you had a lot of people have

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Speaker 1: other different and a lot of people who weren't faith based,

831
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Speaker 1: and a lot of what happened there, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not an it doesn't excuse any of the things

833
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: that happened there, but a lot of what happened was

834
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Speaker 1: people stopped. People saw the dignity in the protesters they

835
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Speaker 1: were They felt like Americans. And I think even even

836
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Speaker 1: the President said, wait a minute, that that dignity. You

837
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Speaker 1: can't beat that. People see that, that that's let's let's

838
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Speaker 1: let's let's change course here a little bit.

839
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Speaker 2: So dignity dot us. You want them to go there?

840
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Speaker 1: And what I want them to go there? I want

841
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Speaker 1: them to download the Dignity Index. I want them to

842
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: uh to invite us to come and work with your schools,

843
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: your your school boards. I tell you that's as another

844
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: place we get a lot of interest because people come

845
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Speaker 1: to the school board ready for for you know, ready

846
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Speaker 1: for war. How dare you you know they are attacking

847
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: the school board members. There's been violence in these so

848
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Speaker 1: we you know, how do we have a discussion about

849
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Speaker 1: our textbooks? How do we have a discussion about the

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Speaker 1: curriculum without hatred. That's another area where so we want

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Speaker 1: people to get get involved, join the dignity movement, be

852
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: a part of a movement that's about dignity. I want

853
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: this show to have a weekly episode. Doesn't have to

854
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: be with me, uh, somebody reporting on dignity and contempt.

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00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: You could do this, I don't. I can't pick who

856
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: would who would be my choice for a reporter on this,

857
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Speaker 1: But take take like once a week, take three speeches

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Speaker 1: or three sections of quotes and score them. Let people listen,

859
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: Let people chime in, Let people voice what they How

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Speaker 1: could you have said this differently? How could how could

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Speaker 1: you rewrite this tweet that Tim Shauver put out and

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00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: you know we determined it was you know, it was

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00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: so hateful, and let's have a discussion about it. I

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Speaker 1: think people, I think your listeners would really be fascinated

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Speaker 1: because it's it's first of all, it's a little bit fun.

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Speaker 1: I mean we do this all the time with kids.

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Speaker 1: Score this social post, score that one with using this

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Speaker 1: scale we have, and so kids like it. They can

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Speaker 1: score the Gettysburg address, they can score the I Have

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Speaker 1: a Dream speech. They can score so Journal Truth. They

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Speaker 1: can score George Washington, they can score Thomas Jeffson, they

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Speaker 1: can score the Declaration of Independence. It's fun.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's call it before you go score this right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: this is Brooks Pottageyer.

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Speaker 2: He's an ambuilt, an built and what's.

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Speaker 4: The word, evangelical pastor who has been described as pete

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Speaker 4: Hexp's closest spiritual advisor. He said this, he said, first

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Speaker 4: and foremost, we prayed a man like this would be

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Speaker 4: cut to the heart.

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Speaker 2: He said. He puts Tallarico in the.

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Speaker 4: Category of public enemies are those you are not called

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Speaker 4: the love.

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Speaker 2: This is where you have.

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Speaker 4: Impractatory, imprecatory storms. This is where you pray strongly. The

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Speaker 4: psalmist is not shy. God destroy them, make them his

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Speaker 4: dung on the ground.

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Speaker 2: I pray that God kills him.

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Speaker 4: Talking about James Talerico to pat he said, ultimately that

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Speaker 4: means killing his heart and raising him up to new

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Speaker 4: life in Christ.

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Speaker 2: How do you rank that?

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Speaker 1: That's the one that's the lowest it can go. Your

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Speaker 1: your humanity has doesn't matter. You should be destroyed. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's that's a one. Now, if that guy was

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Speaker 1: sitting here, he'd give you all the justifications for it,

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Speaker 1: but it's still a one, and he would say something

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Speaker 1: like that guy started it. You know that that's dangerous.

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Speaker 1: So look, I think that's a one. All I can

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Speaker 1: say is there's better ways to make that point, whatever

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Speaker 1: point he's trying to make. I assume he doesn't like

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Speaker 1: tall Rico because if.

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Speaker 2: You want somebody to die, what's the better way to see?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I wish you a beautiful afterlife.

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Speaker 1: In the in the in with the angels and the saints.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: Us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, thank you for breakfast club.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, good morning, every day a week ago, breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: You don't finish the