WEBVTT - Draft Show: A Cornerback Conversation 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:06.000 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:15.880 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Dallas 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:20.880 Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for incenter 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:30.320 news and drafted analysis. Dallas Smith running back from Florida. Indianapolis, Indiana, 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.920 where the twenty twenty nat BEL Scouting Combine rolls on. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.760 With a thin wedding cake, white layer of snow outside 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:43.520 we are indoors Indiana or Indiana Convention Center here in Indianapolis, 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.520 the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Day two of 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.600 the scouting Combine. Dave Hellman back with Dane Brugler. You 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:53.720 could be a sky Yeomans, you could be a scout 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.440 with that type of serious descriptive words. A wedding cake, 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.400 wedding cake, thin, white. Yeah, Bob Buker, that's what I'm 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.000 calling you from now. Well, actually that's Vin Scully. Vin 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.039 Scully used to say that kind of stuff. So but yeah, 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.080 I'll take Bob Uker. That works. But we are back 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:13.360 here from Radio Row and Plenty to talk about, of course, 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.000 Mark McCarthy talking yesterday. We talked to a couple of 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.320 the defensive lineman today as a part of the media 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.080 sessions but a lot going on here this second day 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.520 of shows. It's really the third day we've been here 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.959 here at the scouting Combine. But first off, let's let's 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:30.840 go and start with some of those defensive linemen. And 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.399 we've had a lot of conversation about that because it's 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.200 a position of need for the Dallas Cowboys so far, 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.960 and really getting into it quickly, what were some of 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:42.000 the things that stood out to you guys today, Dan, 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.880 We'll start with you that Thank god the Raiders informed 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.760 Ross Blacklock that has thirty seven unpaid party tickets, right, 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.880 you know, that was good. I would have liked to 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.520 see his face during that interview when he found that out. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.000 You know, Chase Young had some interesting things to say. Uh. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.160 You know, we knew he wasn't working out here, but 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:01.880 we found out at his pro day he's not gonna 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.480 be doing any of the agility stuff forty yard dash 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.120 and and he said it point blank, like, you know, 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.959 I'm not I don't need to. I'm not gonna waste 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.640 my time training to be a combine athlete. I Am 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.000 going to train to be a better football player. And 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.079 now it's a little different for Chase Young. He has 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.120 the leverage to say something like that he knows he's 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.440 gonna be a top three pick. But it was just 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.000 it was really interesting perspective to hear that from him, 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.760 because you know, he's, you know, he's not gonna do 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.519 what the norm is and what he's expected it's expected 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.040 of him. He's gonna do what he thinks is best 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.440 for him. And that that was a really kind of 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.080 part partly refreshing take from from Chase Young. Can we 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:40.720 talk about that, actually, yeah, because and it's actually it's 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:42.720 some somebody asked us about it on Twitter two. But 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.040 it seems like more of a trend than ever before 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.920 this year, Like it was only two years ago that 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.960 Myles Garrett just put on an absolute show here, even 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.040 though we got here knowing he would be the number 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.680 one pick. And now from the top down, like from 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.600 Joe Burrow to Chase and there's half a dozen other 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.400 guys that are just like, now, I don't need to 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.200 do this and I'm not going to And I feel 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.560 like that is it's a new I don't want to 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.359 call it a trend, but it feels like it's more 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.160 prevalent than ever before. We've seen it with quarterbacks, you know, 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.839 especially that position, who feel a little I mean because 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.600 it's it is tough. And what are you going to 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.359 learn from Joe Burrow that you didn't learn in the 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.000 fifteen games we saw this year? You know, what are 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.120 you gonna see in this setting where he's throwing the 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.359 football to guys He's never thrown too without any pressure 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.519 at pressure meaning from you know, a defense out there. 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:34.880 So what were we gonna necessarily learn from that that 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.040 we don't already know about him? So I certainly understand 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.120 some of these guys, and it'll be Look, the combine 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.480 continues to evolve, and you know, this year it's primetime 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.720 and things are changing, and you know, I think it's 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.840 going to continue to change, not only with timing and 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.280 the you know, the ability for fans to access the 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.840 all this information, but also the drills. And you know, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.760 the bench press is it's got an expiration date on 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.200 it in three years. I would bet we're not doing 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.720 the bench press anymore because there's no you know, teams 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.520 don't find any value in it. It tells you who 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.080 works out in the weight room. It doesn't really tell 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.400 you functional football strength. Um, you know, so there's there's 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.480 there's plenty of value to be had with all the 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.279 drills that we're gonna start saying tonight, um with what 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.200 is it the tight ends, receivers, quarterbacks tonight Yes, Um, 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.279 So we're gonna see there's there's still plenty of value 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.359 to get out of this, especially historical purposes. You know, 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.040 you can you know, a guy runs a four or five? Okay, 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:28.919 what's that mean? You know, how does that compare to 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.560 other guys? Um? You know that's position or with his 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.080 size and um, you know, what do we expect coming 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.679 in from a player like that that jumps the different 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.440 positional specific You know, the gauntlets one of my favorite 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:41.719 on field drills, and this year they're attaching a time 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.120 to it, which is a little more competitive, right is 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.080 that you think that's more for viewers or for like 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.400 the competitive uses of the DBS. I think it's kind 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.360 of both because we've seen these guys. You know, one 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:52.800 of the things when you go through the gauntlet, you're 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.120 supposed to be you know, near full speed, and so 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.960 you constantly here coaches saying go, go go because a 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.400 lot of guys will slow play it to you know, 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.200 make sure they catch the football and you know, and 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.839 don't have any drops, But if you're slow playing it, 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.960 that's something you know evaluators are paying attention to, So 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.400 attaching a time to it and having these guys go 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.720 full speed making a little competition out of it, no question, 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:18.640 I think gets driven by viewership and fans interest, but 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.800 I think it also could help from the evaluation standpoint 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:23.240 as well well. And it kind of goes back to 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.880 what we had a conversation about last week, was with 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.360 this becoming more of a spectator friendly event, if it 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.000 being almost a moneymaker for the NFL, how long does 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.400 it take until these players start saying, hey, if we're 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.200 not making any money off of this is if this 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.040 is going to continue in this trend, then we're going 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.200 to start backing off a little bit. Because it's supposed 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.760 to be informational, it's supposed to be setting you up 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.040 for success come the NFL Draft, Well, sometimes that might 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.000 not be the case, at least in this day and age. 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.240 Even though you have a chance to prove yourself, that 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.520 may not be the priority for the league itself. Now, 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.320 with that being said, there's guys like Chase Young saying, hey, 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.919 I'm not going to end up doing these workouts. But 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.000 we also talk to a couple of guys today, most 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:10.240 notably Isaiah Simmons from Clemson, the linebacker who ended up saying, 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:11.640 I am going to do all the drills, I'm gonna 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.719 run everything, and this is going to be really interesting 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.120 to go through. And you can see both sides of 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.360 it's trull and we're kind of in that transition period. 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.479 That's why I think, Dave you said, you don't necessarily 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.719 want to call it a trend, Yeah, but it's something 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.440 to kind of keep your eye on over the next 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.359 couple of years. It just seems like guys, and you know, 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.920 there's three hundred and thirty seven guys here, and as 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.320 Dane will tell you, a shocking number of them aren't 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.719 even going to be drafted. Yeah, probably probably about one 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.800 hundred and ten. Good, that's crazy. But the guys at 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:42.760 the top of this thing, I feel like have more 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.800 leverage than ever before and a better understanding of what 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.680 is important, you know, like, yeah, you know, it's not 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.400 that long ago that like the bench was seen as important, 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:56.000 at least from an outsider's perspective, and these days it's like, 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.479 you know, I need a good three cone and I 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.839 need to do well at the shuttle and the rest 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.279 of this is stupid. So I'm going to focus on 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.359 my pro day and I don't need y'all well. And 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.200 it's almost like the NFL's their their eyes are getting 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:13.600 bigger than their stomachs with this because the more that they, 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.560 you know, put an emphasis on viewership and fan involvement, 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:19.600 and which is great for the fans, Like I don't 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.800 want to, you know, kind of disrespect that part of it. 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.000 It's it's great that you know, people that work during 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:25.720 the day who are never able to watch the combine 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.920 before they'll be able to watch it in prime time 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.160 with everybody else. And so I don't want to just 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.600 disregard that part of it. It's great for fans, But 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:37.600 from an evaluation standpoint, the more things change, that's going 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.440 to evolve and have some other effects. Like, for example, 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.320 it's all about viewership. So if I'm Joe Burrow, okay, 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.239 you pay me, give me a twenty thousand dollar bonus 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.360 and I'll work out here, you know, I mean, it's 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.960 gonna we're gonna get to that point because what the 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.800 viewership is going to be different, the ratings will be different. 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.000 If Joe Burrow is throwing compared to Joe Burrow is 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:58.720 not throwing, and so it's safety would Chase Young, some 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:00.760 of these guys will have the leverage and we're going 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.240 to get to that point where're you know, not everybody, 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.600 but there will be certain players that might get a 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:08.520 little bit of a bonus for working out here. You know, 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.320 you look at the top three names in the draft, 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.280 arguably two U Joe Burrow, Chase Young. None of them 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.440 were throwing or working out as a part of the 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:20.160 combine process. But along with the combine gets an opportunity 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:21.960 here in the off season to kind of have those 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.480 conversations not only with players, but also with staff members 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.960 and coaching staffs. And yesterday Mike McCarthy got a chance 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:30.680 to catch up with the media for the first time 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.800 in a couple of weeks. And Dave you you tweeted 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.320 this quote out yesterday. Oh yeah, I did. Oh, And 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.320 this is going to be fun to talk about. I 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.199 know where you're going because over the years, of course 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:46.840 draft nuts and Cowboys fans alike have had the frustrations 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.560 about scheme fits and certain players not being scheme fits. Well, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.560 yesterday Mike McCarthy came out and said, I've always felt that, 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.760 and really part of it developed because in Green Bay, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.120 when you're picking twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, when 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.280 you're down there in the twenties every year, when you're 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.160 throwing away good players because they don't fit your system, 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.520 you've got to take a hard look at your system. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.240 If a guy is a good football player, that guy 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:14.280 can play for me. What does that mean? Just a 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.760 little bit of music to your ears? Which beautiful, a 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.599 genuine that see there, And I'm glad that you're the 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:23.120 buzz killing instead of because I mean you you you 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.880 gotta take it at face value. But actions speak louder 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.280 than words like I gotta see it. But it is 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.840 such an encouraging quote when you think about the things 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.640 that have frustrated us about the draft process in recent years, 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.880 like scheme fit is the phrase that gets thrown around 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.719 when the Cowboys weren't interested in Tyron Matthew, not when 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.960 he was seeking big money when he landed with the Chiefs, 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.520 but when all he wanted was a one year, proved deal. 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.400 He wasn't a scheme fit, which will never make sense 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.240 for the rest of my life. It's why you're not 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.280 you're looking at taco Charlton instead of TJ wacause can 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.920 you put his hand on the ground, which we don't 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.880 have to get into it, saying, you know, Tristan Hill 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.880 is like, well, this this scheme calls for pressure from 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.280 the defensive tackle position, and even though he's not as 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.800 good of a player as want Thornhill, that's what we need. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.280 And you know, not to throw too much shade, but 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.320 the way we understand it, and and everybody gets blamed 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:16.840 when a pick goes bad, Don't get me wrong. Will 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.440 McClay has said that time and time again. You know 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.959 that comes with the dinner. But the previous coaching staff 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.160 had such a heavy hand in that process every year, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.080 right like every year around late March early April, you 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.440 start to hear a narrative change when the coaches really 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.199 sit down and start visiting with these guys. Who's like, yep, okay, 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.079 the coaches are involved and we're going off the rails 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:43.320 from what we've been saying. And so does that mean 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.480 Mike McCarthy's just going to be this wild man like 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.560 BPA no matter what best player available. I doubt it. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.520 But it's an encouraging quote because I think everybody thinks 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:58.240 and I agree that it was a flaw of this 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.280 previous coaching staff and Mike he should have a voice. 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.319 He deserves to have a voice. But if he's willing 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.760 to really apply that logic when draft time comes, then 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.760 the Cowboys will make better decisions because of it. I think. Yeah, 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.160 and you even look at too much of a good 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.679 thing is not a or it could be a bad thing. 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.400 You got to take everything in moderation. And actually that 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.280 I cut part of the quote off because it was 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.080 a I mean, he talked for five minutes a little 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:22.640 bit about him. He's like, let's you know, let's not 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.520 get carried away like measurables still matter. We're still you know, 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.360 we have profiles on players we like, like we're not 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.800 getting crazy, like you know, we're not going willy nilly. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.600 But at the same time, if the guy's good, then 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.240 find a use for him, Like don't come to me 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.760 about like, well, he doesn't do exactly what we have 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.560 to do, so I can't draft him. Get the hell 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:43.480 out of here. And it's also something you can look 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:47.160 at in free agency doesn't normally have to be specifically 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.920 defined to the draft, but this is where Dana I'd 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.160 like to get your opinion on this, because it's not 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.960 just the Cowboys that have had that scheme issue fit 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.600 issue kind of problem in the past. What are some 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:04.360 guys this year that could potentially fit into schemes elsewhere 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.920 that the Cowboys may not be specifically honed in on. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:10.719 You know, it's tough because when we have a new 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:12.840 coaching staff, we're still trying to feel them out and 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.240 understand what they're gonna be looking for for this specific scheme. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.240 But you know, yeah, every year, I think, you know, 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.000 we need to focus on not what they can't do, 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.880 but what can they do? Yeah, and really focus on 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.000 that part of it, because, Okay, you know a guy 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.360 that might be limited in some areas, how does he 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.360 help us? How can he you know, what are his strengths? 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.640 How can we use that on our football team? Does 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.079 it make us a better football team that's going to 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.080 help lead to more wins? And you know, a guy 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.839 like a g Epanessa, who you know we mentioned before, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:44.600 he's not that quick twitch, just blow by tackles, but 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.480 he's just different. And so you know, if you really 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.680 want that that that quick twitch, that von Miller style, 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.760 not von Miller talent, but von Miller style with how 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.760 they rushed a passer. Then okay, take Calaivion Chase on 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.920 and but understand that he has his limitations too in 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.640 other ways, but just take the best football player and 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.000 you know it's I think some teams that are looking for, uh, 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.880 you know, length at cornerback. Um. You know, it's where 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:09.920 not every team places the same premium. I think the 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.160 previous coaching staff, you know, was a it was a 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.720 length at corner and defensive back really mattered more than 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.000 a lot of other things. With this coaching staff, I'm 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.679 sure it's still what they prefer, but is it going 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.760 to be the same. You know, George Lewis, we're going 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.079 to see from him this year with the new coaching staff. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.080 So I think a lot of things we're still feeling out, 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.000 both with the current guys on the roster, both with 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:32.360 you know, because a lot of the guys on the 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.800 current roster, these coaches didn't draft them, you know, they 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.439 they're inherited these guys and so figuring them out how 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.720 they fit best within the scheme that they're going to implement. 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.240 And then in this draft, how in what direction are 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.400 they going to go with these prospects which you know, 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.040 like I said, it was a long quote, and when 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.280 you're having a free flowing conversation, it can get a 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.240 little bit convoluted. It doesn't lend itself well to a SoundBite. Yeah, 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.040 but McCarthy, I mean, he brought pass rusher into the equation. 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.120 And again it's a really encouraging quote because he said, 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.920 everybody want to talk about it, like, like you can 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.120 you have to pigeonhole guys into these roles. He said, 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:05.680 you know, is he an open side end? Is he 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.640 a traditional defensive end? Is he an outside linebackers? He 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.199 a DPR, a designated pass rusher. He's basically like, I 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.360 don't care, Like at the end of the day, I 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:18.480 want six outside rushers and four inside defensive lineman and 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.480 I want like the best guys possible. And if you're 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.240 you know, if you're a draft nick and you want 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.760 the Cowboys to draft the best guy possible, that sounds 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.120 like music to your ears, because that quote leads me 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.240 to believe that it's at least possible that the Cowboys 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.920 would have drafted t J. Watt under this regime. You know, 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.640 not again not to pick it old wounds about to 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.120 turn that night. If you're going if you're going off 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.440 of ability over you know, can you fit into what 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.200 we have in mind? I think you're gonna wind up 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.760 with better players more often than not. Yeah, it's it's 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.120 so interesting in the way that you can kind of 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:57.240 look at maybe just the mindsets shift. It's it's honestly 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.280 odd covering the Cowboys thinking that way now and time 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.240 in a decade. It opens things up, It really does, 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.720 because you can't look at a guy like AJP and 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:07.800 s and say, oh, he's not exactly a fit, so 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.280 we should probably go ahead and cross them off our board. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.600 It's what I've been joking. I've been joking about it 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.440 at about the tight end spot since the draft process started, 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.680 where I'm like, if Jason Garrett was still the coach 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.160 of the Cowboys, I could run down the whole list 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.320 of tight end prospects and cross out about eighteen of them. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.840 Eighteen of the best ones, by the way, Yeah, because 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:30.280 they're not boxy, you know, big framed guys with blocking 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.880 history like that was what the Cowboys wanted under the 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.160 old regime, and Mike McCarthy might want that too. But 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.280 you can't just write it in stone the way that 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.280 we used to be able to, which is exciting. Yeah, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.000 it opens up so many possibilities, and with those possibilities 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.240 comes some scenarios. And Dane, I'm gonna put you on 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.680 the spot here, Okay, give me a prospect at seventeen 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.960 that would be a surprise bold seventeen, like surprise that 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.920 somebody would be there, or surprised that the Cowboys would 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.600 take him, surprise that the Cowboys would take Ye give 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.440 me that, because I'm gonna say, I think we've covered 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.600 most of the like overly realistic option what could end 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.040 up being there at seventeen? But who would surprise you 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.480 that the Cowboys could take any chance they'd go out, 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.840 Like saying Andrew Thomas Tackle from Georgia, I said that, 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.720 See I said that two weeks ago, and like which 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:24.320 I'm I'm just glad we're on the same page. I'm 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.840 always happy when Day agrees with me. Well, I mean 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.760 that's something I name I havn't heard connected with the Cowboys. 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:33.080 And obviously it's not need areat number one on this roster. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.280 But you look at tyro and how many even more 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.760 years does he have you look at you know Collins 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.760 on the right side. Um, you know there's some uncertainty there, 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.080 you know, could you kick him inside? Is he you know, 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.560 contract situation, all that thing, everything that's involved with that. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.800 At what point do you maybe look at it and say, 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:52.720 you know, the depth that we could really have on 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.840 the offensive line by adding a talent like that, that's 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.240 just too good to pass up. That that would be 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.840 one of those shockers that I think would be um 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.800 not it would be very unexpected, But when you really 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:05.520 think about it, you could say, Okay, you know, I 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:10.320 can buy that six five, three twenty out of Georgia 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:14.399 offensive tackle plus arms. It would be It would be 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:18.560 the ultimate test of BPA because of the tackle class 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.080 is top heavy. The Cowboys have two really good tackles, Yeah, 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.399 one of whom has had you know, actually both of 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.040 whom have had pretty lengthy injury issues over the last 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.399 few years. Yeah, swing tackles not one hundred percent settled, 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.159 So you don't necessarily need the guy to start, But 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.600 can you really justify spinning a top twenty pick on that. Yeah, 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.080 it would be the ultimate test of BPA, and I 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.080 haven't heard it called BPA, So I'm glad you said 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.360 that because it's better than saying best player available. I mean, 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.159 if you're listening to the draft show, I trust that 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.479 you can say you can pick up on it. But okay, 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:52.480 so you're you're taking a surprise offensive tackles. Use the demand, 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.440 we use the demand for an offensive tackle to turn 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.439 that into about three more picks and trade back six spots, 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:04.040 which that strikes me fancy. Yeah, probably the more realistic 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.960 scenario if we're gonna be honest and you know it's 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.400 they're gonna be in an interesting spot because I don't 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.240 you know whether that's a defensive lineman, end or tackle, 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.720 whether it's in the secondary, corner or safety. Um, there's 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:17.560 just so many different directions they could go. And again 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:19.679 we we we've harped on this a lot, but with 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.080 the new coaching staff, we just don't know what those 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.480 coaches are gonna be because we know this for an office, 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.960 you know, history tells us they will listen to the 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.000 coaches and draft who they want, who who they think 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.280 is gonna make them a better football player. Um, I mean, 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.680 you really think they have to go Not only would 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.680 an offensive lineman be a surprise, but also I think 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:39.200 just going to offense seems like a little bit of 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.960 a surprise. Because this team has so many holes on defense, 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.200 uh more, so they're gonna have more holes this offseason 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.359 than they even did last year with losing some guys. 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.119 So you know what, are they gonna be pushed to 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:51.920 go corner? Are they gonna You just don't want to 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.080 be forced to go in a specific direction. You want 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.040 to keep it open and see who falls, do you 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.800 especially in this class where we're gonna see we could 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.920 have five tack was going to top sixteen picks. We're 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:03.560 going to see some of these receivers off the board 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.679 with Rugs and Judy and Lamb, So you know they 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.120 could push this. Does a kin Law get to us seventeen? 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.360 I don't know. Maybe I don't think talent wise he's 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.720 a seventeenth best player. I think he's a top fifteen player. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:16.679 But you just never know. With all the positions, I 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.280 could go in front of them. I'll tell you this, 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.040 which you know, I was super interesting talking to Mike McCarthy. 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.359 I keep saying this, it's a it's a little note. 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.320 But if there was like one thing that really jumped 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.119 off the page to me yesterday, Mike McCarthy took a 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.119 shotgun and just put a big hole in my dream 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.440 of drafting a wide receiver because he listened to him yesterday. 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.920 He loves Randall Cobb. Not that I'm surprised, and worked 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.280 with him in Green Bay. Cobb's obviously a hell of 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:46.160 a player, but he brought him up by name two 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.680 or three times yesterday, and I'm just sitting there, like, 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.520 this guy really wants to bring Randall Cobb back. And 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.800 if they do that, not that you can't, but it 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.640 becomes a little harder to justify spending a big pick 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.480 on a receiver. Well, there's plenty of room over on 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.280 this side the disappointment bandwagon of not having a wide 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:07.520 receiver because it's fun. I'm up if they signed Cobb, 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.640 it'd only be to like a one year deal. Anyway, 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.480 I'm giving up on a first or second day wide receiver. 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.080 I don't think D three is out of the question. 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:18.520 I'm giving up on seventeen. I'm clinging to fifty one, 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.680 hoping that fifty one and maybe the third round show 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.400 is that dependent on the Mark Cooper situation. I mean 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:27.960 I were I mean, if we want to dive into 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:29.720 the nitty gritty of this, I mean I would do 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.960 it regardless unless Cooper signs a long term extension. I 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.119 would do it regardless, because that would give you the 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:38.720 flexibility to let him go if you tag him. I 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.320 just I could write a dissertation on this if you 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.359 want them to. You probably could. It wouldn't take you 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.520 very long to do so. 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September twenty nineteen. 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:15.280 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, and 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:20.520 no your hosts, David Hellman and Kyle Yeoman's. Like I 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:22.240 tell people all the time, I'm a young dude. I'm 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.040 twenty one years old, but I'm not your average twenty 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:28.719 one year old. UM. I carried myself um differently than 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:31.639 other guys. I don't put myself out there like that. 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:34.320 I'm strictly business um because at the end of the day, 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.639 all this is a business. Um. 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Brian 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.240 brought us get right into it, which actually, this is 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:11.680 a really good question from said, you know something, if 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:13.640 you will recall we've talked about a few times over 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:17.280 the years, the Cowboys have not drafted a defensive tackle 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:21.560 in the first round since Russell Maryland, so said, wants 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:23.560 to know why do we think they would do that 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:27.560 with javon Kinlaw? Well, and where is that philosophy? Where 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.160 was that philosophy born? Was it born with the coaching staff? 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.200 Was it born more with you know, the front office? 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:35.040 Is that I mean, we've heard Stephen Jones talk about 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.680 it before, but was he reiterating what the coaching staff, 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.040 you know, what they wanted, or is he truly believe 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:44.240 that you don't draft a defensive tackle that early. And 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:48.159 we're talking about it's important to point out that not 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:49.800 all defensive tackles are the same. You know, a one 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:52.399 technique at three technique knows tackle. These things are all different. 0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:55.879 Javan Kinlaw is going to be an upfield penetrator. You know, 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:57.639 he's a guy that you know is not going to 0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:00.359 be just a block eater and play forty percent of 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:02.399 the snaps and one hundred percent agree you don't take 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.360 a nose tackle in the first round. I'm on the board. 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:06.840 I'm on board with that. But a guy that can 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:08.760 be a disruptor. I mean, you tell me you're not 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:12.240 gonna not that javon Kin Laws, Aaron Donald, But to 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.560 get that interior disruption, you tell me you don't want 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.159 to at least try to get that on your team. 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:20.560 I think that they maybe it's just me thinking what 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:22.720 they should do, but they should at least be open 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:26.200 to a type of defensive tackle that can create pressure. 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.160 But I think and I think that is an important 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.160 designation because it was it was two or three years 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:33.920 ago when Stephen Jones said at the comment, he was like, well, yeah, 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.720 we're not going to draft a nose tackle in the 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:37.919 first round. Yeah, a lot of people took that to 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:41.720 mean defensive tackle. I don't necessarily think that's true. And yeah, 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:46.440 Javon Kin laws six six three twenty pounds of pass 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:50.640 rushing force. Like, if he's available, I think the Cowboys 0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:53.520 would be willing to do that, even if history suggests otherwise. Well, 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.480 you're even looking at the guy at the Senior Bowl. 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:57.080 I mean, one of the biggest things about him was 0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:59.879 just the pure raw power that he has, such media 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:02.000 hands and the way that he can get inside. And 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:03.880 I've said this a couple of times, but the way 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:06.120 that Nate Newton described it, I mean, that's a six 0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:09.919 time Pro Bowler and a three time Super Bowl champion. 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:11.879 He's saying, man, if he gets his hands inside on 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.760 an offensive lineman, nobody's blocking the guy. He's going to 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.720 be a pass rush or a run stopping option. You said, 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:19.919 when was the last time they took a defensive tackle. 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:24.320 It was whatever year, Russell Maryland. That's a long time now. 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:26.960 Two years prior to that, they did take a defensive 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.520 tackle out of Old Miss in eighty nine and excuse me, 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:32.960 actually they took two defensive tackles in the same draft 0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:36.480 ninety one, they took two defensive tackles, one at pick 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:38.959 number one and the other one at picked twenty. So 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:41.360 that's kind of interesting. That's a while back, I mean, 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:45.680 way before this regime was Yeah, I think part of 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:48.000 the Dallas Cowboys. So it is kind of interesting to 0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.719 say when that kind of shift happened, just because it 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:54.000 hasn't happened underneath this tutelage. But it's fun to think 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:56.560 about overall. All Right, Dan, I'm gonna throw this one 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.879 out there for our guy, Jeff Kavanaugh back in Dallas. 0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:03.639 I know exactly that. I'm just kidding Jeff. Speaking of Jeff, 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:08.680 which is the question is about Jeff Gladney Kavanaugh absolutely 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.920 loves and I feel like I get it. Nobody can 0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:14.760 really give me a consensus on where this guy's supposed 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.440 to go, so BA wants Is he an option at seventeen? 0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:20.840 Do you view him that way? I definitely feel like 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:24.440 he's the forgotten man among the better cornerbacks in this draft. 0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:26.760 How do you feel? Yeah, and I think he is. 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:29.560 You know I mentioned this before, but the top tier 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.280 is Jeff Okuda. He is the prototype of what you 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.119 want at the cornerback vision. Why is he gonna go 0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:37.720 top five? That second tier of the cornerbacks, I don't 0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:39.760 know where it starts and I don't know where it ends. 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.080 That's what we need to figure out between now and 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:45.320 the draft, and then that second tier. I think CJ. 0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.560 Henderson Florida leads it off. I think Gladden he's next. Yeah, 0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:50.399 I think he's the next guy in that next tier. 0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:54.720 And so I is seventeen too early, maybe based on 0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:58.359 how we've been talking, But the caliber player that you're getting, 0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.159 I don't think that's too early for him. He he 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:02.000 is a junkyard dog. And I don't know if that 0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:06.800 I've ever said that about a corner I don't I 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:08.200 don't know if I've ever said it about him, But 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:11.200 that's how he plays. He's so competitive. Um. The Denzel 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:15.080 Mims uh Jeff Gladdeney tape Baylor TCU from this past 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:18.520 year is on a shortlist of my favorite tapes that 0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:22.760 I studied. UM this past year, the Gladdeney shadowed Mims 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.679 up and down all over the formation. Um, Mims got 0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:28.959 him a few times, but uh Glad, He's more than 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.920 held his own and showed why he has a chance 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:33.800 to be a first round pick. He's not the biggest guy. 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:36.679 He's he came in today about five ten. But I 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:38.480 think he's gonna I think he's gonna blow up here 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.160 in the workouts. Should run in the four threes, if 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:45.360 not pretty close to it. So when you combine the play, personality, 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:49.160 the speed, the mentality that he has, um, I would 0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:52.960 be okay drafting him top twenties. So first of all, 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.120 you just sold me love it nice. It's like, for 0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:58.240 some reason, I wonder why I trust you a little 0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:00.479 bit more than I trust Kavanaugh. Well, kind of going 0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:02.520 off of that before we move on. Oh yeah, well 0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.920 talk go ahead. Sorry, Oh talking about Okuda, you said 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.040 Okuda was top tier, and then you said in the 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.240 middle of that second tier, you said C. J. Henderson 0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.479 out of Florida, Jeff Gladney out of TCU. Yeah, so 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:14.840 now I'm gonna challenge you. We're just Christian Fulton was. 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.560 We were gonna ask the same thing. I would love it. 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:21.200 I'm gonna guess Fulton comes after Gladdeney for you. Uh, 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:27.680 and how much of a disconnect I have digs and Glama, Right, Um, 0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:30.800 I'm gonna bet on digs Um all the traits that 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.880 he offers Stefan's little brother from Alabama A bit tall, 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:36.840 long corner. Uh, you can to see what he runs. Um. 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:38.480 I think if he as long as it gets in 0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:40.720 the four fours, which I think he will, I think 0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:43.040 he's gonna be in that top twenty five mix. Um. 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:45.320 But this is kind of what I was talking about 0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:48.080 with this corner. The second tier of corners, there's not 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:51.080 gonna be any consensus. See that's I mean literally, I 0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:53.800 haven't seen anywhere near as much as you. But like 0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:57.240 I've watched, I've watched these top tier corners. I think 0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:00.880 if you lined them all up, you would blindly with 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:02.800 no knowledge of their tape. I think you would probably 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.360 take Digs like over everybody, just in terms of how 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.080 impressive he is. Yeah, I think I like everybody else's 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.480 tape better than his. Yeah, Like I mean he I 0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.720 it just he doesn't seem consistent from me from a 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:16.520 consistency standpoint. Agree one hundred percent. I think if you 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:18.800 take his highlights, you might take him first, you know, 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:20.520 out of the group, because his highlights are so good. 0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:22.760 But when you include the low lights and some of 0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:26.800 his muh missteps in coverage and he's just is it 0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:29.360 kind of like Alabama just said, you're an athlete, go 0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.040 play like yeah, that the technique is not consistent, and 0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.720 that's that's good enough for like eighty percent of the 0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:36.920 guys that you play in college, right, But when you 0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:40.360 go up against the March Chase or Brian Edwards out 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:42.520 of South Carolina or some of these guys that are 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.320 gonna be playing in the NFL, it's kind of troublesome. Yeah, 0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:47.600 I agree, And so it's been It goes back to 0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:51.400 the traits conversation. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna bet 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.040 on certain traits at a certain position compared to uh, 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:56.000 you know a guy that is just a good football player. 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.240 And that's where you know, Christian Fulton maybe comes into 0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:00.560 the discussion. He's I think just a good foot ball player. 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:02.680 But you know, we saw in the National title game. 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.959 We've seen different points over his career how he'll give 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:07.560 up some spacing at the top of routes. And I 0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:09.120 still think he's a good player. I think he's an 0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.080 NFL starter, but he is number five on the list 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:13.600 for me. But I don't think it ends there. I 0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:17.200 think you include Cam Danceler from Missippi State. Jalen Johnson 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.320 from Utah has a lot of fun in the scouting 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.720 community at A lot of scouts think Jalen Johnson could 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.160 be a first round pick. So Damon Arnett's a guy 0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.040 who I like a lot. Just kind of figure him 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:29.640 out off the field. So I think that's what I 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.040 was saying. In that second tier corners, I'm not sure 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:33.640 where it starts and I'm not sure where it ends, 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:35.600 but there's a lot of good corners in that mix 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:39.680 that from picks fifteen to forty five, they were probably 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.320 all going to go in that range. Let's just let's 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.960 get into the weeds a little bit here on cornerback 0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:47.400 because yeah, you mentioned our net you're the Ohio state 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:52.800 whisperer something like that. How And I've watched him too, Yeah, 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.040 and I was in love with him until I heard 0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:57.560 that there might be reasons outside the lines why I 0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:01.160 shouldn't be. How troubling is that? And do teams have 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.960 a read on that yet? That's why this combine is 0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:05.920 gonna be so important for a player like that um 0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.280 for the interview process, because he was he was invited 0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:09.880 to the Senior Bowl, then he pulled out and so 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:11.920 team's gonna a chance to talk to him with the 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.640 Senior Bowl, and so it's gonna be really important here 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.200 at the combine when he meets with general managers and coaches. 0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.040 When they asked him point point blank about certain things 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.640 that happened behind the scenes, and I've heard from a 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:25.600 lot of Buckeys fans they were saying like he wasn't 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.440 a criminal and he wasn't arrested, and that's true, but remember, 0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:30.520 you know, did try polite last year? I heard the 0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:32.800 same thing. Yep, you know it wasn't. It wasn't arrested. 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.200 And I'm not saying that it's it's as bad as polite. 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.440 Who you know, there's a third round pick and then 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:41.400 couldn't make the roster. And with the Jets, Arnett has 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.400 the ability. He's one of the best tackling corners I've 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:47.520 scouted the last three four years. He has the athleticism 0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.560 where he can play mono imano on an island and 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.400 hold his own. He came back for a senior year 0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:56.240 and played really, really well. And this is on a 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.640 team where akutas on one side. Teams didn't want to 0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.280 throw to his side, so he saw his shaff targets 0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.560 and more than held his own. It's just can you 0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:05.160 trust him? Can you trust him to get the most 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:08.080 out of his ability to be a professional. And as 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:11.280 long as teams are semi convinced that that's the case, 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:13.320 he's going to go as high as his talent suggests. 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:15.000 And that's somewhere in the top forty picks. And while 0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:17.160 we're getting into the weeds a little bit here of 0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.720 the cornerback class, I mean you you talked about the 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:21.960 second tier. Now there's a little bit of a gray 0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:25.760 area with those guys, maybe underneath Danceller, maybe with a 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:30.360 Benongaty out of Auburn who's been solid. I mean, but 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:33.760 what about some of those lower third tier guys. Let's 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:36.480 talk about third tier. Is this a deep cornered class 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:38.640 in terms of guys you could pull up maybe in 0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:40.640 the back end of day two to to be able 0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:42.840 to get as a starter. Yeah. Well, and that's as 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.719 a starter I challenged to be because once you get 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:47.520 in that third tier, that that's when you're talking about 0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:51.040 guys who are drastically missing. Something like a Meek Robertson 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:53.360 from Louisiana Tech. Yeah, have you seen him at that? 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.040 Haven't seen him, but Katie's in love with him. Also, 0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.400 he's got a he's got a hip issue. Yeah. Well 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:03.680 he's also you know, like my size. Yes, yes, it's 0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:06.080 one way to put it. Yeah, he's he's about five 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.560 eight and so um. You know, he's he's vertically challenged 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:13.239 and that's something that at cornerback is a problem. But 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.960 you watch him, man, he's fun. He will break on 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.239 the ball, make plays. His ball production is tremendous. I 0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:22.000 think here's a stat for you. The last two years, 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.840 only two players and at college football level had fifteen 0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:30.120 plush passes defense both years. Wow. Robertson's one of them. 0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.600 The other one a guy we just talks about Gladney. Wow. 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:35.880 Another reason like Gladney's, it's even more impressive at the 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.399 college level because like in college, if you're really good, 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.600 teams just don't throw at right. And so for for 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:44.680 him to have that many opportunities and cash in on him, 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.360 that's that's really Yeah, big time ball producer. But again 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:49.719 he's he's the big guys either. When you talk about 0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:52.440 Gladney and Robertson, right, right, But how is that going 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:54.400 to translate to the next level when you're facing more 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.759 size at the position, and um, so yeah, a guy 0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:00.080 like him. We're a guy like Stanford Samuel's from or 0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:02.480 To State. Who has the size, does he have the speed? 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:04.480 And that's the question with him, something hopefully he can 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:08.399 answer here. Josiah Scott from Michigan State. Another guy that 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:14.880 has lockdown ability, athleticism traits, but he's vastly undersized. He's 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.959 five nine buck eighty five on his best day. So 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.879 you know, once we get to that third tier we got, 0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:22.960 we have guys that are really talented, but there might 0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.839 be one thing that's missing that really clouds their evaluation. 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:28.400 All Right, I'm gonna throw you this is this is 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:31.240 the one I prepped you for from our buddy Landon 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:33.759 which this is a Dane Brugler special because he wants 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:38.000 to know if there are any really quality fullbacks worth discussing, 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:41.600 which the Cowboys. The Cowboys have a fullback Jamaezela Wally. 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:44.560 He also he has an option on his deal, which 0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:46.600 typically I would ignore that, but this is an all 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.880 new coaching staff, so they could have a completely different idea. 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:53.280 I do really think Mike McCarthy will want a fullback 0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:55.520 that was a hallmark of his Green Bay teams. Right, 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:59.839 So what you got for me? Guy from Cincinnati tight 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:06.440 end convert jo Josiah Deguara. Uh. He is a try 0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:09.160 hard you know, he fits a lot of the narratives 0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:11.480 what you're looking for in a fullback. Checks a lot 0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:14.120 of those boxes. Uh. He is a guy here who's 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:16.640 listed as a tight end, but scouts actually asked him 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:18.600 to work out also with the running back group to 0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:22.239 see how he can do uh in certain situations, both 0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:25.879 as a pass blocker and uh handling the football. So 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:27.480 he is a guy that I would keep on the 0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:30.759 radar as a Day three pick um as a possibility 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:34.480 of fullback who can play special teams. Um can make plays. 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.200 He's going to give full effort NonStop. That was one 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:39.600 thing when you watch his tape, it doesn't mean matter 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.400 like who the ball is going to. He is busting 0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.680 his butt up and down the field and so uh 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:47.880 that definitely gets your attention when when you're scouting his film. 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:51.120 So Deguara from Cincinnati is a name I'd keep in mind. 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:52.840 He caught some attention a little bit at the Senior 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.200 Bowl as well, working out as a tight end. Made 0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:57.680 a couple plays in practices that were pretty impressive, but 0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:00.480 kind of going along that theme, and we'll stick with 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:03.359 the fullback here, But what about a guy like Hunter 0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:05.840 Bryant who's out of Washington, a little bit of a 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:10.520 small h back, a little bit in in Washington. What 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.200 could he see as a potential of being a fullback. 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:16.640 I don't if you're drafting Hunter Bryan it's not to 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.680 be a blocker. He can't block, um to just to 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:23.920 really sum it up, and I mean, you know two seconds, Um, 0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.680 he's not a guy you're gonna want to trust. Uh, 0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:29.200 you know in the backfield, the pass protecting or trying 0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.239 to run block, he just doesn't have. That's not his game. 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:33.520 The reason he's gonna go I mean, as long as 0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.200 the medicals are okay, he's got long medical list. As 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.080 long as the medicals are okay, he's gonna go somewhere 0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:40.880 in the top three rounds probably probably throw around. And 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.640 as long as the medicals are okay, he's gonna go 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.360 that high because of his abilities as a pass catcher. Um. 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.640 And he's kind of in that Noah fant mold where um, 0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:50.880 he's more of a big slot than he is a 0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:54.440 true traditional tight end. And that's okay, it's just understanding 0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.040 what his strengths are before you invest in a player 0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.719 like that. I really like him, and I agree with you, 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:02.920 but I when I watched him, and I think I 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:06.160 watched two games, so take it with a grain of salt. 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.759 But like I thought, he he's definitely not a blocker, 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:12.359 but I thought he showed a willingness to do it. Yeah, 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:14.480 if they asked him too, he'll be a roadblock. You know, 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.279 he'll get away. That's all I want, right, just get 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:19.400 run over by the end and open it up for 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:21.520 my running back or whoever has the ball. Like, if 0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:23.640 you're willing to do it, that's all I'm asking. Well, 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:25.520 but it depends on what you're gonna ask him to do. 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.719 Like if a if a defense sees him on the 0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:32.160 field and understands, like you know what, they understand what 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:34.440 his strengths are. They can identify what the offense is 0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.800 trying to do because they know if it's a true 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:40.680 drop back situation, maybe he's not out there blocking um, 0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.560 and so they can identify from the personnel. I just 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:46.080 think he's a little too one dimensional for me, but 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:49.480 who knows. He did. The coaching staff here might feel differently. 0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:51.600 That's and again, I mean that's That was my point 0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.440 at the top of the show is I would have 0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:57.160 I would have put up with strike through Hunter Bryant's 0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.440 name last year, and this year I'm not as willing 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.280 to do it. Uh, do we have time for one? 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:03.640 One more? Let's get it out. This is from Dustin 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:05.920 And you know, I don't want to beat receiver and 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:07.399 in the ground too much, but I feel like there's 0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:11.240 a very small but very vocal segment of cowboy fans 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:15.000 who are smitten with kJ Hamdler. So what do you 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:16.719 what do you think about it? And you know, when 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:19.640 we talk about this loaded receiver class, I do kind 0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:22.160 of feel like he slips between the cracks like he's 0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:24.759 a I mean, he's a he's a top one hundred guy, 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.440 Yeah he is. And and but like he doesn't get 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.439 mentioned nearly as often as a lot of the guys 0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:31.759 that are in that range. He talked about, like, you know, 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:35.040 toys for your offense. He qualified me. He's just he's 0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:38.759 fun to watch because he's a blur with his speed. Um. 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:41.600 The thing with him is he's so small and that 0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.279 really I don't know, if you know, for a guy 0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:46.000 like Dak I don't know if that's like the best 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:50.160 uh situation, because the smaller the target, the more accurate 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:52.120 you have to be. And you know, Dak's not saying 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:54.280 he's an any accurate quarterback, but I think he thrives 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.960 more when the receivers have a chance to adjust to 0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:00.279 the throw. And that's something where Hamdler he's it's not 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:02.200 his strength and he even talked about it here. He said, 0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:05.359 I he flat out said, I run before I catch 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.840 the ball. And that's why he had double digit drops 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:12.240 last year. He tied for the most drops in college 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.279 football last year with twelve. And that's part that kind 0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:16.920 of turns it off. Part A part of it is 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.560 his size. You know, he's a five eight guy who 0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:21.680 it does not have the frame that you're looking for, 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:24.080 but at the same time, get the ball in his 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.280 hands and he can make something happen because he's so speed, 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:28.960 he eliminates those pursued angles. He can weave through the 0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:31.920 defense and create uh. You know, he's the guy that 0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:35.200 not to use a baseball reference, but it looks like 0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:37.000 a single and all of a sudden he's on third base. 0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:39.400 You know how that just happened? Well, d Gordon actually 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:41.880 exactly that's that's what he does, and so there's certainly 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:45.120 value in that. It's just figuring out how your best 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:47.279 going to utilize him, and then what's the value in 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:49.600 the draft. Is that a guy that you would consider 0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:52.640 taking late first round, early second round, or is that 0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:55.080 more a guy you're hoping to get mcole Hardman late 0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.480 second round range, Which I didn't like McCole Hardman that 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.439 there's some similarities there. Well, well, maybe I should shut 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:04.200 up then, because m Paul Harman was a big part 0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:06.360 of that Super Bowl winning Chiefs team, so well, it 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:08.839 was a good situation for him because he wasn't asked 0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:10.680 to be the guy. It wasn't asked to be even 0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.080 a number three on that team. He he was like 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:17.279 the freaking seat warmer in the Ferrari Like they're like, yeah, 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:19.600 like nobody needs this, but it's fun. But when we 0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:21.080 break it out, it's gonna be a lot of fun 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.480 to watch. Well, and about kJ Hamliner, he's one of 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:28.319 the top three smallest guys Penn State. Yes, trying to 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:30.600 mention schools, one of the one of the top three 0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:33.960 smallest wide receivers in the entire class both sides in 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:36.120 terms of hype and waife as well. And then you 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.640 also look at the fact that he's only twenty years old. 0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:42.000 He'll be oh yeah, like just twenty whenever he's got 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.040 the draft or whenever the draft does come around. So 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:46.160 he's one of the younger guys too. You have a 0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:48.040 lot of time to develop them, and he's a guy 0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:51.080 we would be talking about more tonight. Um U for 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:53.600 the the wide receivers work right now, because I think 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.120 he would have run like I was. The way he 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.879 ran a four two seven during training. Wow, who knows, 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.520 you know, but he I strained something out of a 0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:04.120 hammy or something. So he's not running here at the combine, 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.560 but when he does run, it's gonna be he's got 0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:10.120 that audio speed. Wow. So plenty of wide receivers to 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.160 look out for, but that's going to do it here 0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.399 for Twitter on the twenty. 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Yeah, that place blew in 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.839 my mind. I mean it was just on a different level. 0:44:55.880 --> 0:45:00.439 And then I even expect this so little have fun 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.520 there from uture gross Matos out of Penn State and 0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.640 talking about Jerry World as he got to play in 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:09.080 the Cotton Bowl as Penn State and the Ninny Lions 0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.520 played against Memphis, but also talking about you had a 0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.120 little bit of animosity toward the Cowboys as a Giants 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:16.880 fan growing up, which is understandable. You either love him 0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:18.640 or you hate him. Man hate him or you love them. 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:21.719 I get why they don't. I understand why players don't 0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:23.960 want to talk about like who they liked or they didn't. 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.319 But like, I don't know, it's just fun And like 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:28.239 if a team likes you enough to draft to you, 0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:30.200 nobody's going to even remember that you grew up a 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:32.120 Giants fan. Like, let's just have a little fun with it. Well, 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.480 and it's also whatever jersey you're gonna put on Sunday. 0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:37.560 How much more fun was the twenty sixteen draft when 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:39.920 we had that clip of Zeke talking about wanting to 0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:42.640 run behind the Cowboys oline and like, you know, he 0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.120 was mad that he said it, but it worked out, 0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:47.520 Oh yeah, exactly ended up working out for the better 0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:50.880 and now we love ourselves some Zeke Elliott. But wrapping 0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:53.400 things up, Dave Hellman, Dame Brugler, Kyle Yeoman's here with 0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:55.400 you on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. And 0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:59.040 of course tonight the start of the drills. Does it 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:02.040 not feel like it's Dane for you, especially like I 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:04.080 feel like we've been here a year? Oh yeah, at 0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:07.640 least before some drills are finally going to happen, right, 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:10.240 And that's uh, it's a marathon, it really is, because 0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:13.520 it's it's you gotta pace yourself. The last few days 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.520 have been really busy, um, but it's it's all this 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:18.760 stuff is valuable. Um. Yeah, there's there's so much to gain, 0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:21.279 and it's just trying to trying to schedule everything, get 0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:23.319 everything fit in. But tonight it'll be a lot of 0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:25.200 fun when the next four nights will be fun when 0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:27.480 we can see these guys on the field, um, you know, 0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:31.040 get the quantitative data next to these guys, um and 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.920 just eager to see them move in space. Um. And 0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:37.359 especially the love the comparison purposes seeing these guys one 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.000 after the other. Uh, you know, for example tonight with 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:43.560 Jacob Eason and Jake from Um the Alpha order, so 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:46.040 F and E they're gonna go run one after the other. 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:49.360 Um Esan's got that howitzer, fer an arm and then 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:53.000 meanwhile From's a little more physically average. And so what's 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:54.960 the difference going to be. Is it going to be huge? 0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:56.799 Is it going to be you know, maybe just a 0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.319 little bit. And so seeing these guys run one after 0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:03.520 the other throw or work out really helps for comparison purposes, 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:08.400 specifically tonight quarterbacks, wide receivers, tight ends. What are some 0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:10.880 of the drills that you're gonna see over the course 0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:14.560 of the afternoon and then into the evening of really 0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:17.400 importance whenever it comes to these three positions, well, make 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.399 sure you're got your eyes glued on the TV. When 0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:24.360 Henny Ruggs run, yea, that's being forgot that it's a 0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:27.560 basic storyline. But I hope he breaks the record. That'd 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:28.800 be fun. That would be a lot of fun. And 0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:30.919 it's one of those things where we know he's fast, 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:32.880 so it's not like we should get that excited about it. 0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:35.440 But it's just fun to watch. You know, guys that 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:38.000 are really good at what they do do do do 0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:41.239 that at a high level. And Ruggs is a speed guy, 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:43.279 and it's it's almost to the point where you know, 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:45.239 it's gonna be disappointing when he when he doesn't when 0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:46.600 he were at like a four to two nine, which 0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.920 is unbelievable. But he's gonna run a four three three 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:53.200 and everybody's gonna be like, what happened? Second round? Yeah, 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:56.520 drop them down. But um, a lot of these guys 0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.560 Jalen Raager from TC another guy, um, you know DFW 0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:03.759 guy who he won a state title in the long 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:06.000 jump in high school, so you know, the broad jumps 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:07.520 a little different so on. But I'm eager to see 0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:09.920 him with some of these jumps. He's really explosive. He's 0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:12.400 gonna run probably in the four threes. But eager to 0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:13.839 see some of these jumps and some of the things 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:15.440 that he's gonna do. That's gonna be a lot of fun. 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:18.600 And then the that's the agility stuff, the positional drills. 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:21.279 We talked about the gauntlet and how much fun that is, 0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:24.560 especially now with the being timed and seeing these guys 0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:26.960 catch the football, secure it and turn the other way 0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:29.160 and then get going. It's that that's gonna be a 0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:31.000 lot of fun seeing these guys track the ball over 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:34.080 their shoulder, and you know, it's it's one of those 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.160 things where you don't you're trying not to take too 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.239 much from it. Um, you know, it can be a 0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:41.479 little misleading at times. Some guys just have bad days, 0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:45.200 but still value there to be gained. I thought Mike 0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:48.080 McCarthy made a really interesting point yesterday when we were 0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:51.440 talking to him that I honestly hadn't really considered it. 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:56.080 I'm sure somebody else has, but you know, we're in 0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.680 prime time now, and specifically, like when you're talking about 0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:02.120 forties and three cones and all this stuff, like you 0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.040 think that'll maybe drop some of these numbers. Like you're 0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.240 sitting around waiting all day. Yeah, you know, you've probably 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:11.280 had all three meals by the time you run your forty. 0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:14.279 Your legs are maybe a little more not as fresh 0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:16.800 as you'd prefer, because, I mean, this convention center is 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.479 absurdly big, by the way, so you've been walking around 0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:22.239 all day. Mean, I know it sounds dumb, but you 0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:24.279 know these guys used to run their forties. Like first 0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:25.880 thing in the morning, nine o'clock in the morning. Now 0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:27.360 you're doing it at nine o'clock at night. Like, I 0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:29.480 feel like that could have a pretty big effect. Oh, no, 0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:32.200 no question, And especially because it's not like these guys 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:33.920 get a lot of breaks. I mean, they go through 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:36.440 the ringer all day. They're gonna be in interviews. It's 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:39.440 a you know, maybe not physically but mentally draining and 0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:41.719 then you got to get yourself up to go do 0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.400 these drills. So I think that is now. You know, 0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:47.200 these guys are used to playing night games, so they've 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:49.719 got a routine there. But at the same time, this 0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:53.080 is different. This is a whole different animal. And you know, 0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:55.799 now that they've made these changes, I just I don't 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:57.520 think I don't think they're gonna go back, you know, 0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:00.560 until the morning. Yeah, And so it's just, uh, this 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:02.800 year is gonna be so interesting to see how that works. 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:05.680 Eager to see the ratings, Like, you know, I know 0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:07.520 how much I love the combine, and I'm gonna be 0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:10.480 you know, tuned in. But you know, the average football fan, 0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:13.279 are they gonna be really intrigued by this? I don't know. 0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:15.440 And that's gonna be really interesting to launch. You talk 0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:18.200 about the ratings from a league wide perspective, In all 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:20.040 of the events throughout the year, the only one that 0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:22.880 didn't necessarily see a spike over the past decade was 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:25.919 the Combine. So this being a ditch effort to kind 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:29.320 of make it a prime time event, make those numbers spike, 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:32.759 but it might make the numbers physically fall a little bit, 0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:34.759 which is kind of you had to do it at 0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:36.960 some point. If you're gonna move it, there's gonna be 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:41.160 that one transition year. I hope, I mean, respectfully, I 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.040 hope you're wrong. I think your problem is right. But 0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:46.759 this is an experiment and I hope it fails, and 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:48.840 I hope it can go back, because I mean, we 0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:51.080 all love the Combine. If you're listening to this, you 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:53.840 love the Combine. But I almost think like the casual 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:58.800 football fan almost resents the Combine because they're sitting at home, like, Okay, 0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:02.320 who's the freaking body from Colorado who's gonna, you know, 0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:04.839 set the record for the forty And then I mean, 0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:07.399 the last guy that set the forty record, John Ross, 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:09.920 has had a bad career, hasn't been there, he hasn't 0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:12.320 has not been good for him in Cincinnati. So I 0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:15.440 understand the casual fans reluctance to buy in that this 0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:18.560 is important. And if you look at like the top ten, uh, 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:20.920 like the NFL network tweeted something, how like you know, 0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:24.240 the the top forty yard dash times since two thousand 0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:27.200 and four or something like that, like the best player 0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:29.680 on the like the top ten, top twelve, best player 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:32.080 on there was probably Chris Johnson. Yeah, and then the 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:34.680 second fastest time at the moment, right, and then after 0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:36.839 that there was you know, like a lot of names 0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:39.920 that people don't know. And so that's why. And I 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:42.520 get it because a lot of track athletes who don't 0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:45.000 not good football player. But but and I guess that's 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:48.839 why I would say casual fans resented because they don't 0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:51.440 they're not interested in Sure, this is where all the 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:53.920 medicals happen, and this is what's going on. These are 0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:56.440 you know, the three cone is actually so much more 0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:59.120 indicative than these other drills and things like that, And 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:02.120 so I don't blame them for resenting it. And at 0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:03.960 the same time, I'm just like, and I'm I'm I 0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:05.920 think i feel like I'm speaking for a few thousand 0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:08.759 personnel people when I'm like, just let us geeks have 0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:11.680 this right, right, and you know the casual fans will 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:14.839 be there when the season starts or when the draft starts. 0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:16.680 The money will come no matter what. Yeah, a lot 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:18.759 of a lot of a lot of fans have seen 0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:20.960 these college players. The thing that I would just say 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:23.000 is just go into the into the combine with having 0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:24.719 an idea of how you think they're going to test. 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:28.280 You know, have some type of uh, some type of ideas. 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:30.719 So when they run, that tells you, Okay, while we 0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:32.640 ran a lot faster, or he ran a lot slower, 0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:34.080 or you know, I was dead on with what I 0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:36.239 thought that that is a fun exercise that you can 0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:38.960 do that helps you. You know, it's not going to 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:40.719 be the most exciting event, but it's something that could 0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:43.400 get you through, could get you through. And despite it 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.439 being a little bit different, despite it being a little 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:49.279 bit of an oddity for this year's combine, we're still 0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:53.320 excited to see prospects continue. It'll i mean, tasks it. 0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:55.600 You know, it'll be a bigger deal because it's on 0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:58.000 at night and you know, maybe some guys will trend 0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:00.880 on Twitter because of what they're doing at the combine. 0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:03.040 And I don't know, there's not that much else going 0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:04.960 on in the world of sports right now, is there? No, 0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:10.240 not really NBA stuff, but I mean overall, so you're right, yeah, Wow, 0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:13.360 that was a big said that because Lebron left. No, 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:17.040 poor guy, it's fine port Ohio. I mean, we'll see, 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:21.640 but uh, I mean even then, like if we look 0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:24.359 up and Henry Ruggs is running a disappointing four three 0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:27.279 three and he's still one of the faster top wide 0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:29.960 receiver times, then maybe it is a field experiment and 0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:32.160 maybe Dave Helman gets his wish. We'll see if that 0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:33.879 that comes out, But that is gonna do it here 0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:36.560 for the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show here on 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:39.920 Thursday afternoon. So glad you've joined us, Dane, thanks so 0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:43.200 much again anytime all the way throughout the week and 0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:45.480 throughout this draft process. 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