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Speaker 1: where the twenty twenty nat BEL Scouting Combine rolls on.

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Day two of

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Speaker 1: the scouting Combine. Dave Hellman back with Dane Brugler. You

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Speaker 1: could be a sky Yeomans, you could be a scout

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Speaker 1: with that type of serious descriptive words. A wedding cake,

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Speaker 1: wedding cake, thin, white. Yeah, Bob Buker, that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: calling you from now. Well, actually that's Vin Scully. Vin

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Speaker 1: Scully used to say that kind of stuff. So but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll take Bob Uker. That works. But we are back

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Speaker 1: here from Radio Row and Plenty to talk about, of course,

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Speaker 1: Mark McCarthy talking yesterday. We talked to a couple of

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Speaker 1: the defensive lineman today as a part of the media

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Speaker 1: sessions but a lot going on here this second day

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Speaker 1: go and start with some of those defensive linemen. And

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Speaker 1: we've had a lot of conversation about that because it's

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Speaker 1: a position of need for the Dallas Cowboys so far,

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Speaker 1: and really getting into it quickly, what were some of

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Speaker 1: the things that stood out to you guys today, Dan,

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Speaker 1: We'll start with you that Thank god the Raiders informed

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Speaker 1: Ross Blacklock that has thirty seven unpaid party tickets, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, that was good. I would have liked to

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Speaker 1: see his face during that interview when he found that out.

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Speaker 1: You know, Chase Young had some interesting things to say. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, we knew he wasn't working out here, but

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Speaker 1: we found out at his pro day he's not gonna

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Speaker 1: and and he said it point blank, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: going to train to be a better football player. And

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Speaker 1: now it's a little different for Chase Young. He has

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Speaker 1: it was really interesting perspective to hear that from him,

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Speaker 1: because you know, he's, you know, he's not gonna do

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Speaker 1: some somebody asked us about it on Twitter two. But

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Speaker 1: it seems like more of a trend than ever before

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Speaker 1: Myles Garrett just put on an absolute show here, even

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Speaker 1: like that is it's a new I don't want to

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Speaker 1: So what were we gonna necessarily learn from that that

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Speaker 1: some of these guys, and it'll be Look, the combine

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Speaker 1: such an encouraging quote when you think about the things

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Speaker 1: you're looking at taco Charlton instead of TJ wacause can

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Speaker 1: brought us get right into it, which actually, this is

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Speaker 1: a really good question from said, you know something, if

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Speaker 1: you will recall we've talked about a few times over

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Speaker 1: the years, the Cowboys have not drafted a defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: in the first round since Russell Maryland, so said, wants

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Speaker 1: to know why do we think they would do that

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Speaker 1: with javon Kinlaw? Well, and where is that philosophy? Where

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Speaker 1: was that philosophy born? Was it born with the coaching staff?

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Speaker 1: Was it born more with you know, the front office?

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Speaker 1: Is that I mean, we've heard Stephen Jones talk about

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Speaker 1: it before, but was he reiterating what the coaching staff,

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Speaker 1: you know, what they wanted, or is he truly believe

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Speaker 1: that you don't draft a defensive tackle that early. And

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Speaker 1: we're talking about it's important to point out that not

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Speaker 1: all defensive tackles are the same. You know, a one

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Speaker 1: technique at three technique knows tackle. These things are all different.

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Speaker 1: Javan Kinlaw is going to be an upfield penetrator. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that you know is not going to

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Speaker 1: be just a block eater and play forty percent of

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Speaker 1: the snaps and one hundred percent agree you don't take

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Speaker 1: a nose tackle in the first round. I'm on the board.

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Speaker 1: I'm on board with that. But a guy that can

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Speaker 1: be a disruptor. I mean, you tell me you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna not that javon Kin Laws, Aaron Donald, But to

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Speaker 1: get that interior disruption, you tell me you don't want

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Speaker 1: to at least try to get that on your team.

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Speaker 1: I think that they maybe it's just me thinking what

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Speaker 1: they should do, but they should at least be open

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Speaker 1: to a type of defensive tackle that can create pressure.

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Speaker 1: But I think and I think that is an important

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Speaker 1: we're not going to draft a nose tackle in the

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Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, a lot of people took that to

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Speaker 1: mean defensive tackle. I don't necessarily think that's true. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: Javon Kin laws six six three twenty pounds of pass

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Speaker 1: rushing force. Like, if he's available, I think the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: would be willing to do that, even if history suggests otherwise. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're even looking at the guy at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the biggest things about him was

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Speaker 1: just the pure raw power that he has, such media

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Speaker 1: hands and the way that he can get inside. And

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Speaker 1: I've said this a couple of times, but the way

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Speaker 1: that Nate Newton described it, I mean, that's a six

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Speaker 1: time Pro Bowler and a three time Super Bowl champion.

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Speaker 1: He's saying, man, if he gets his hands inside on

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Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, nobody's blocking the guy. He's going to

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Speaker 1: be a pass rush or a run stopping option. You said,

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Speaker 1: when was the last time they took a defensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: It was whatever year, Russell Maryland. That's a long time now.

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Speaker 1: Two years prior to that, they did take a defensive

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Speaker 1: tackle out of Old Miss in eighty nine and excuse me,

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Speaker 1: actually they took two defensive tackles in the same draft

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Speaker 1: ninety one, they took two defensive tackles, one at pick

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Speaker 1: number one and the other one at picked twenty. So

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Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting. That's a while back, I mean,

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Speaker 1: way before this regime was Yeah, I think part of

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. So it is kind of interesting to

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Speaker 1: say when that kind of shift happened, just because it

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Speaker 1: hasn't happened underneath this tutelage. But it's fun to think

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Speaker 1: about overall. All Right, Dan, I'm gonna throw this one

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Speaker 1: out there for our guy, Jeff Kavanaugh back in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: I know exactly that. I'm just kidding Jeff. Speaking of Jeff,

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Speaker 1: which is the question is about Jeff Gladney Kavanaugh absolutely

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Speaker 1: loves and I feel like I get it. Nobody can

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Speaker 1: really give me a consensus on where this guy's supposed

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Speaker 1: to go, so BA wants Is he an option at seventeen?

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Speaker 1: Do you view him that way? I definitely feel like

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Speaker 1: he's the forgotten man among the better cornerbacks in this draft.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel? Yeah, and I think he is.

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Speaker 1: You know I mentioned this before, but the top tier

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Speaker 1: is Jeff Okuda. He is the prototype of what you

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Speaker 1: want at the cornerback vision. Why is he gonna go

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Speaker 1: top five? That second tier of the cornerbacks, I don't

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Speaker 1: know where it starts and I don't know where it ends.

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Speaker 1: That's what we need to figure out between now and

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Speaker 1: the draft, and then that second tier. I think CJ.

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Speaker 1: Henderson Florida leads it off. I think Gladden he's next. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he's the next guy in that next tier.

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Speaker 1: And so I is seventeen too early, maybe based on

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Speaker 1: how we've been talking, But the caliber player that you're getting,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's too early for him. He he

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Speaker 1: is a junkyard dog. And I don't know if that

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Speaker 1: I've ever said that about a corner I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I've ever said it about him, But

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Speaker 1: that's how he plays. He's so competitive. Um. The Denzel

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Speaker 1: Mims uh Jeff Gladdeney tape Baylor TCU from this past

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Speaker 1: year is on a shortlist of my favorite tapes that

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Speaker 1: I studied. UM this past year, the Gladdeney shadowed Mims

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Speaker 1: up and down all over the formation. Um, Mims got

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Speaker 1: him a few times, but uh Glad, He's more than

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Speaker 1: held his own and showed why he has a chance

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Speaker 1: to be a first round pick. He's not the biggest guy.

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Speaker 1: He's he came in today about five ten. But I

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna I think he's gonna blow up here

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Speaker 1: in the workouts. Should run in the four threes, if

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Speaker 1: not pretty close to it. So when you combine the play, personality,

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Speaker 1: the speed, the mentality that he has, um, I would

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Speaker 1: be okay drafting him top twenties. So first of all,

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Speaker 1: you just sold me love it nice. It's like, for

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Speaker 1: some reason, I wonder why I trust you a little

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Speaker 1: bit more than I trust Kavanaugh. Well, kind of going

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Speaker 1: off of that before we move on. Oh yeah, well

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Speaker 1: talk go ahead. Sorry, Oh talking about Okuda, you said

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Speaker 1: Okuda was top tier, and then you said in the

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Speaker 1: middle of that second tier, you said C. J. Henderson

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Speaker 1: out of Florida, Jeff Gladney out of TCU. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: now I'm gonna challenge you. We're just Christian Fulton was.

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Speaker 1: We were gonna ask the same thing. I would love it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess Fulton comes after Gladdeney for you. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and how much of a disconnect I have digs and Glama, Right, Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet on digs Um all the traits that

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Speaker 1: he offers Stefan's little brother from Alabama A bit tall,

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Speaker 1: long corner. Uh, you can to see what he runs. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think if he as long as it gets in

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Speaker 1: the four fours, which I think he will, I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be in that top twenty five mix. Um.

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Speaker 1: But this is kind of what I was talking about

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Speaker 1: with this corner. The second tier of corners, there's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be any consensus. See that's I mean literally, I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen anywhere near as much as you. But like

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Speaker 1: I've watched, I've watched these top tier corners. I think

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Speaker 1: if you lined them all up, you would blindly with

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Speaker 1: no knowledge of their tape. I think you would probably

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Speaker 1: take Digs like over everybody, just in terms of how

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Speaker 1: impressive he is. Yeah, I think I like everybody else's

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Speaker 1: tape better than his. Yeah, Like I mean he I

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Speaker 1: it just he doesn't seem consistent from me from a

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Speaker 1: consistency standpoint. Agree one hundred percent. I think if you

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Speaker 1: take his highlights, you might take him first, you know,

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Speaker 1: out of the group, because his highlights are so good.

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Speaker 1: But when you include the low lights and some of

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Speaker 1: his muh missteps in coverage and he's just is it

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Speaker 1: kind of like Alabama just said, you're an athlete, go

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Speaker 1: play like yeah, that the technique is not consistent, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's good enough for like eighty percent of the

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Speaker 1: guys that you play in college, right, But when you

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Speaker 1: go up against the March Chase or Brian Edwards out

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Speaker 1: of South Carolina or some of these guys that are

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Speaker 1: gonna be playing in the NFL, it's kind of troublesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree, And so it's been It goes back to

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Speaker 1: the traits conversation. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna bet

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Speaker 1: on certain traits at a certain position compared to uh,

639
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: you know a guy that is just a good football player.

640
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: And that's where you know, Christian Fulton maybe comes into

641
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: the discussion. He's I think just a good foot ball player.

642
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: But you know, we saw in the National title game.

643
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 1: We've seen different points over his career how he'll give

644
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: up some spacing at the top of routes. And I

645
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: still think he's a good player. I think he's an

646
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: NFL starter, but he is number five on the list

647
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: for me. But I don't think it ends there. I

648
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: think you include Cam Danceler from Missippi State. Jalen Johnson

649
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: from Utah has a lot of fun in the scouting

650
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: community at A lot of scouts think Jalen Johnson could

651
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: be a first round pick. So Damon Arnett's a guy

652
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: who I like a lot. Just kind of figure him

653
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: out off the field. So I think that's what I

654
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: was saying. In that second tier corners, I'm not sure

655
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: where it starts and I'm not sure where it ends,

656
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of good corners in that mix

657
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: that from picks fifteen to forty five, they were probably

658
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: all going to go in that range. Let's just let's

659
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: get into the weeds a little bit here on cornerback

660
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: because yeah, you mentioned our net you're the Ohio state

661
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: whisperer something like that. How And I've watched him too, Yeah,

662
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: and I was in love with him until I heard

663
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: that there might be reasons outside the lines why I

664
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't be. How troubling is that? And do teams have

665
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: a read on that yet? That's why this combine is

666
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: gonna be so important for a player like that um

667
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: for the interview process, because he was he was invited

668
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl, then he pulled out and so

669
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: team's gonna a chance to talk to him with the

670
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, and so it's gonna be really important here

671
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: at the combine when he meets with general managers and coaches.

672
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: When they asked him point point blank about certain things

673
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: that happened behind the scenes, and I've heard from a

674
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: lot of Buckeys fans they were saying like he wasn't

675
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: a criminal and he wasn't arrested, and that's true, but remember,

676
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, did try polite last year? I heard the

677
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: same thing. Yep, you know it wasn't. It wasn't arrested.

678
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that it's it's as bad as polite.

679
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: Who you know, there's a third round pick and then

680
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: couldn't make the roster. And with the Jets, Arnett has

681
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: the ability. He's one of the best tackling corners I've

682
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: scouted the last three four years. He has the athleticism

683
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: where he can play mono imano on an island and

684
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: hold his own. He came back for a senior year

685
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: and played really, really well. And this is on a

686
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: team where akutas on one side. Teams didn't want to

687
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: throw to his side, so he saw his shaff targets

688
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: and more than held his own. It's just can you

689
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: trust him? Can you trust him to get the most

690
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: out of his ability to be a professional. And as

691
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: long as teams are semi convinced that that's the case,

692
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: he's going to go as high as his talent suggests.

693
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: And that's somewhere in the top forty picks. And while

694
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: we're getting into the weeds a little bit here of

695
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: the cornerback class, I mean you you talked about the

696
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: second tier. Now there's a little bit of a gray

697
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: area with those guys, maybe underneath Danceller, maybe with a

698
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: Benongaty out of Auburn who's been solid. I mean, but

699
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: what about some of those lower third tier guys. Let's

700
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: talk about third tier. Is this a deep cornered class

701
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: in terms of guys you could pull up maybe in

702
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: the back end of day two to to be able

703
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: to get as a starter. Yeah. Well, and that's as

704
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 1: a starter I challenged to be because once you get

705
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: in that third tier, that that's when you're talking about

706
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: guys who are drastically missing. Something like a Meek Robertson

707
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: from Louisiana Tech. Yeah, have you seen him at that?

708
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: Haven't seen him, but Katie's in love with him. Also,

709
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: he's got a he's got a hip issue. Yeah. Well

710
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: he's also you know, like my size. Yes, yes, it's

711
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: one way to put it. Yeah, he's he's about five

712
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: eight and so um. You know, he's he's vertically challenged

713
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: and that's something that at cornerback is a problem. But

714
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: you watch him, man, he's fun. He will break on

715
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: the ball, make plays. His ball production is tremendous. I

716
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: think here's a stat for you. The last two years,

717
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: only two players and at college football level had fifteen

718
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: plush passes defense both years. Wow. Robertson's one of them.

719
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: The other one a guy we just talks about Gladney. Wow.

720
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: Another reason like Gladney's, it's even more impressive at the

721
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: college level because like in college, if you're really good,

722
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: teams just don't throw at right. And so for for

723
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: him to have that many opportunities and cash in on him,

724
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: that's that's really Yeah, big time ball producer. But again

725
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: he's he's the big guys either. When you talk about

726
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: Gladney and Robertson, right, right, But how is that going

727
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: to translate to the next level when you're facing more

728
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: size at the position, and um, so yeah, a guy

729
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: like him. We're a guy like Stanford Samuel's from or

730
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: To State. Who has the size, does he have the speed?

731
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: And that's the question with him, something hopefully he can

732
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: answer here. Josiah Scott from Michigan State. Another guy that

733
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: has lockdown ability, athleticism traits, but he's vastly undersized. He's

734
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 1: five nine buck eighty five on his best day. So

735
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: you know, once we get to that third tier we got,

736
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: we have guys that are really talented, but there might

737
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: be one thing that's missing that really clouds their evaluation.

738
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna throw you this is this is

739
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 1: the one I prepped you for from our buddy Landon

740
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: which this is a Dane Brugler special because he wants

741
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: to know if there are any really quality fullbacks worth discussing,

742
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: which the Cowboys. The Cowboys have a fullback Jamaezela Wally.

743
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: He also he has an option on his deal, which

744
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: typically I would ignore that, but this is an all

745
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: new coaching staff, so they could have a completely different idea.

746
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: I do really think Mike McCarthy will want a fullback

747
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: that was a hallmark of his Green Bay teams. Right,

748
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: So what you got for me? Guy from Cincinnati tight

749
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: end convert jo Josiah Deguara. Uh. He is a try

750
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: hard you know, he fits a lot of the narratives

751
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: what you're looking for in a fullback. Checks a lot

752
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: of those boxes. Uh. He is a guy here who's

753
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: listed as a tight end, but scouts actually asked him

754
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: to work out also with the running back group to

755
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: see how he can do uh in certain situations, both

756
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: as a pass blocker and uh handling the football. So

757
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: he is a guy that I would keep on the

758
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: radar as a Day three pick um as a possibility

759
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: of fullback who can play special teams. Um can make plays.

760
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: He's going to give full effort NonStop. That was one

761
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: thing when you watch his tape, it doesn't mean matter

762
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: like who the ball is going to. He is busting

763
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: his butt up and down the field and so uh

764
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: that definitely gets your attention when when you're scouting his film.

765
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: So Deguara from Cincinnati is a name I'd keep in mind.

766
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: He caught some attention a little bit at the Senior

767
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: Bowl as well, working out as a tight end. Made

768
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: a couple plays in practices that were pretty impressive, but

769
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: kind of going along that theme, and we'll stick with

770
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: the fullback here, But what about a guy like Hunter

771
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: Bryant who's out of Washington, a little bit of a

772
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: small h back, a little bit in in Washington. What

773
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: could he see as a potential of being a fullback.

774
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: I don't if you're drafting Hunter Bryan it's not to

775
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: be a blocker. He can't block, um to just to

776
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: really sum it up, and I mean, you know two seconds, Um,

777
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: he's not a guy you're gonna want to trust. Uh,

778
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: you know in the backfield, the pass protecting or trying

779
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: to run block, he just doesn't have. That's not his game.

780
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: The reason he's gonna go I mean, as long as

781
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: the medicals are okay, he's got long medical list. As

782
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: long as the medicals are okay, he's gonna go somewhere

783
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: in the top three rounds probably probably throw around. And

784
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: as long as the medicals are okay, he's gonna go

785
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: that high because of his abilities as a pass catcher. Um.

786
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: And he's kind of in that Noah fant mold where um,

787
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: he's more of a big slot than he is a

788
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: true traditional tight end. And that's okay, it's just understanding

789
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: what his strengths are before you invest in a player

790
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: like that. I really like him, and I agree with you,

791
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: but I when I watched him, and I think I

792
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: watched two games, so take it with a grain of salt.

793
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: But like I thought, he he's definitely not a blocker,

794
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: but I thought he showed a willingness to do it. Yeah,

795
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: if they asked him too, he'll be a roadblock. You know,

796
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: he'll get away. That's all I want, right, just get

797
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: run over by the end and open it up for

798
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: my running back or whoever has the ball. Like, if

799
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: you're willing to do it, that's all I'm asking. Well,

800
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: but it depends on what you're gonna ask him to do.

801
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: Like if a if a defense sees him on the

802
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: field and understands, like you know what, they understand what

803
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: his strengths are. They can identify what the offense is

804
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: trying to do because they know if it's a true

805
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: drop back situation, maybe he's not out there blocking um,

806
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: and so they can identify from the personnel. I just

807
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: think he's a little too one dimensional for me, but

808
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: who knows. He did. The coaching staff here might feel differently.

809
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: That's and again, I mean that's That was my point

810
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: at the top of the show is I would have

811
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: I would have put up with strike through Hunter Bryant's

812
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: name last year, and this year I'm not as willing

813
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: to do it. Uh, do we have time for one?

814
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: One more? Let's get it out. This is from Dustin

815
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't want to beat receiver and

816
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: in the ground too much, but I feel like there's

817
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: a very small but very vocal segment of cowboy fans

818
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: who are smitten with kJ Hamdler. So what do you

819
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: what do you think about it? And you know, when

820
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: we talk about this loaded receiver class, I do kind

821
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: of feel like he slips between the cracks like he's

822
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: a I mean, he's a he's a top one hundred guy,

823
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah he is. And and but like he doesn't get

824
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: mentioned nearly as often as a lot of the guys

825
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: that are in that range. He talked about, like, you know,

826
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: toys for your offense. He qualified me. He's just he's

827
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: fun to watch because he's a blur with his speed. Um.

828
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: The thing with him is he's so small and that

829
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: really I don't know, if you know, for a guy

830
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: like Dak I don't know if that's like the best

831
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: uh situation, because the smaller the target, the more accurate

832
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: you have to be. And you know, Dak's not saying

833
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: he's an any accurate quarterback, but I think he thrives

834
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: more when the receivers have a chance to adjust to

835
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: the throw. And that's something where Hamdler he's it's not

836
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: his strength and he even talked about it here. He said,

837
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: I he flat out said, I run before I catch

838
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: the ball. And that's why he had double digit drops

839
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: last year. He tied for the most drops in college

840
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: football last year with twelve. And that's part that kind

841
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: of turns it off. Part A part of it is

842
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: his size. You know, he's a five eight guy who

843
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: it does not have the frame that you're looking for,

844
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: but at the same time, get the ball in his

845
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: hands and he can make something happen because he's so speed,

846
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: he eliminates those pursued angles. He can weave through the

847
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: defense and create uh. You know, he's the guy that

848
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: not to use a baseball reference, but it looks like

849
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Speaker 1: a single and all of a sudden he's on third base.

850
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: You know how that just happened? Well, d Gordon actually

851
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: exactly that's that's what he does, and so there's certainly

852
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: value in that. It's just figuring out how your best

853
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Speaker 1: going to utilize him, and then what's the value in

854
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Speaker 1: the draft. Is that a guy that you would consider

855
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: taking late first round, early second round, or is that

856
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: more a guy you're hoping to get mcole Hardman late

857
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: second round range, Which I didn't like McCole Hardman that

858
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: there's some similarities there. Well, well, maybe I should shut

859
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: up then, because m Paul Harman was a big part

860
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: of that Super Bowl winning Chiefs team, so well, it

861
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: was a good situation for him because he wasn't asked

862
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: to be the guy. It wasn't asked to be even

863
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: a number three on that team. He he was like

864
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: the freaking seat warmer in the Ferrari Like they're like, yeah,

865
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: like nobody needs this, but it's fun. But when we

866
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Speaker 1: break it out, it's gonna be a lot of fun

867
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Speaker 1: to watch. Well, and about kJ Hamliner, he's one of

868
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: the top three smallest guys Penn State. Yes, trying to

869
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: mention schools, one of the one of the top three

870
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: smallest wide receivers in the entire class both sides in

871
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: terms of hype and waife as well. And then you

872
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: also look at the fact that he's only twenty years old.

873
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: He'll be oh yeah, like just twenty whenever he's got

874
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: the draft or whenever the draft does come around. So

875
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: he's one of the younger guys too. You have a

876
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: lot of time to develop them, and he's a guy

877
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: we would be talking about more tonight. Um U for

878
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: the the wide receivers work right now, because I think

879
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: he would have run like I was. The way he

880
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: ran a four two seven during training. Wow, who knows,

881
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, but he I strained something out of a

882
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: hammy or something. So he's not running here at the combine,

883
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: but when he does run, it's gonna be he's got

884
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: that audio speed. Wow. So plenty of wide receivers to

885
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: look out for, but that's going to do it here

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939
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Speaker 1: little bit of animosity toward the Cowboys as a Giants

940
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Speaker 1: fan growing up, which is understandable. You either love him

941
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942
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943
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Speaker 1: want to talk about like who they liked or they didn't.

944
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Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, it's just fun And like

945
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Speaker 1: if a team likes you enough to draft to you,

946
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947
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Speaker 1: Giants fan. Like, let's just have a little fun with it. Well,

948
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Speaker 1: and it's also whatever jersey you're gonna put on Sunday.

949
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: How much more fun was the twenty sixteen draft when

950
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Speaker 1: we had that clip of Zeke talking about wanting to

951
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,640
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952
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,120
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953
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly ended up working out for the better

954
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956
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: you on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. And

957
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: of course tonight the start of the drills. Does it

958
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: not feel like it's Dane for you, especially like I

959
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: feel like we've been here a year? Oh yeah, at

960
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: least before some drills are finally going to happen, right,

961
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: And that's uh, it's a marathon, it really is, because

962
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: it's it's you gotta pace yourself. The last few days

963
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: have been really busy, um, but it's it's all this

964
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: stuff is valuable. Um. Yeah, there's there's so much to gain,

965
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: and it's just trying to trying to schedule everything, get

966
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: everything fit in. But tonight it'll be a lot of

967
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: fun when the next four nights will be fun when

968
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: we can see these guys on the field, um, you know,

969
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: get the quantitative data next to these guys, um and

970
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: just eager to see them move in space. Um. And

971
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: especially the love the comparison purposes seeing these guys one

972
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: after the other. Uh, you know, for example tonight with

973
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: Jacob Eason and Jake from Um the Alpha order, so

974
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: F and E they're gonna go run one after the other.

975
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: Um Esan's got that howitzer, fer an arm and then

976
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: meanwhile From's a little more physically average. And so what's

977
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: the difference going to be. Is it going to be huge?

978
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: Is it going to be you know, maybe just a

979
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: little bit. And so seeing these guys run one after

980
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: the other throw or work out really helps for comparison purposes,

981
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: specifically tonight quarterbacks, wide receivers, tight ends. What are some

982
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: of the drills that you're gonna see over the course

983
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: of the afternoon and then into the evening of really

984
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: importance whenever it comes to these three positions, well, make

985
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: sure you're got your eyes glued on the TV. When

986
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: Henny Ruggs run, yea, that's being forgot that it's a

987
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: basic storyline. But I hope he breaks the record. That'd

988
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: be fun. That would be a lot of fun. And

989
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where we know he's fast,

990
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: so it's not like we should get that excited about it.

991
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: But it's just fun to watch. You know, guys that

992
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: are really good at what they do do do do

993
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: that at a high level. And Ruggs is a speed guy,

994
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: and it's it's almost to the point where you know,

995
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: it's gonna be disappointing when he when he doesn't when

996
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: he were at like a four to two nine, which

997
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. But he's gonna run a four three three

998
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: and everybody's gonna be like, what happened? Second round? Yeah,

999
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: drop them down. But um, a lot of these guys

1000
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: Jalen Raager from TC another guy, um, you know DFW

1001
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: guy who he won a state title in the long

1002
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: jump in high school, so you know, the broad jumps

1003
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: a little different so on. But I'm eager to see

1004
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: him with some of these jumps. He's really explosive. He's

1005
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: gonna run probably in the four threes. But eager to

1006
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: see some of these jumps and some of the things

1007
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: that he's gonna do. That's gonna be a lot of fun.

1008
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: And then the that's the agility stuff, the positional drills.

1009
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: We talked about the gauntlet and how much fun that is,

1010
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: especially now with the being timed and seeing these guys

1011
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: catch the football, secure it and turn the other way

1012
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: and then get going. It's that that's gonna be a

1013
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: lot of fun seeing these guys track the ball over

1014
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: their shoulder, and you know, it's it's one of those

1015
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: things where you don't you're trying not to take too

1016
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: much from it. Um, you know, it can be a

1017
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 1: little misleading at times. Some guys just have bad days,

1018
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: but still value there to be gained. I thought Mike

1019
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: McCarthy made a really interesting point yesterday when we were

1020
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: talking to him that I honestly hadn't really considered it.

1021
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody else has, but you know, we're in

1022
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: prime time now, and specifically, like when you're talking about

1023
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: forties and three cones and all this stuff, like you

1024
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: think that'll maybe drop some of these numbers. Like you're

1025
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 1: sitting around waiting all day. Yeah, you know, you've probably

1026
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: had all three meals by the time you run your forty.

1027
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: Your legs are maybe a little more not as fresh

1028
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: as you'd prefer, because, I mean, this convention center is

1029
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,479
Speaker 1: absurdly big, by the way, so you've been walking around

1030
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: all day. Mean, I know it sounds dumb, but you

1031
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: know these guys used to run their forties. Like first

1032
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: thing in the morning, nine o'clock in the morning. Now

1033
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: you're doing it at nine o'clock at night. Like, I

1034
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: feel like that could have a pretty big effect. Oh, no,

1035
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: no question, And especially because it's not like these guys

1036
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: get a lot of breaks. I mean, they go through

1037
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: the ringer all day. They're gonna be in interviews. It's

1038
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: a you know, maybe not physically but mentally draining and

1039
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: then you got to get yourself up to go do

1040
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: these drills. So I think that is now. You know,

1041
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: these guys are used to playing night games, so they've

1042
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: got a routine there. But at the same time, this

1043
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: is different. This is a whole different animal. And you know,

1044
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: now that they've made these changes, I just I don't

1045
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: think I don't think they're gonna go back, you know,

1046
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: until the morning. Yeah, And so it's just, uh, this

1047
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: year is gonna be so interesting to see how that works.

1048
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: Eager to see the ratings, Like, you know, I know

1049
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: how much I love the combine, and I'm gonna be

1050
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, tuned in. But you know, the average football fan,

1051
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: are they gonna be really intrigued by this? I don't know.

1052
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: And that's gonna be really interesting to launch. You talk

1053
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: about the ratings from a league wide perspective, In all

1054
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: of the events throughout the year, the only one that

1055
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily see a spike over the past decade was

1056
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: the Combine. So this being a ditch effort to kind

1057
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: of make it a prime time event, make those numbers spike,

1058
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Speaker 1: but it might make the numbers physically fall a little bit,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of you had to do it at

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Speaker 1: some point. If you're gonna move it, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: that one transition year. I hope, I mean, respectfully, I

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Speaker 1: hope you're wrong. I think your problem is right. But

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Speaker 1: this is an experiment and I hope it fails, and

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Speaker 1: I hope it can go back, because I mean, we

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Speaker 1: all love the Combine. If you're listening to this, you

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Speaker 1: love the Combine. But I almost think like the casual

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Speaker 1: football fan almost resents the Combine because they're sitting at home, like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: who's the freaking body from Colorado who's gonna, you know,

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Speaker 1: set the record for the forty And then I mean,

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Speaker 1: the last guy that set the forty record, John Ross,

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Speaker 1: has had a bad career, hasn't been there, he hasn't

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Speaker 1: has not been good for him in Cincinnati. So I

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Speaker 1: understand the casual fans reluctance to buy in that this

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Speaker 1: is important. And if you look at like the top ten, uh,

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Speaker 1: like the NFL network tweeted something, how like you know,

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Speaker 1: the the top forty yard dash times since two thousand

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Speaker 1: and four or something like that, like the best player

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Speaker 1: on the like the top ten, top twelve, best player

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Speaker 1: on there was probably Chris Johnson. Yeah, and then the

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Speaker 1: second fastest time at the moment, right, and then after

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Speaker 1: that there was you know, like a lot of names

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Speaker 1: that people don't know. And so that's why. And I

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Speaker 1: get it because a lot of track athletes who don't

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Speaker 1: not good football player. But but and I guess that's

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Speaker 1: why I would say casual fans resented because they don't

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00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: they're not interested in Sure, this is where all the

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Speaker 1: medicals happen, and this is what's going on. These are

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Speaker 1: you know, the three cone is actually so much more

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Speaker 1: indicative than these other drills and things like that, And

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Speaker 1: so I don't blame them for resenting it. And at

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Speaker 1: the same time, I'm just like, and I'm I'm I

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Speaker 1: think i feel like I'm speaking for a few thousand

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Speaker 1: personnel people when I'm like, just let us geeks have

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Speaker 1: this right, right, and you know the casual fans will

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Speaker 1: be there when the season starts or when the draft starts.

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Speaker 1: The money will come no matter what. Yeah, a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of a lot of fans have seen

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Speaker 1: these college players. The thing that I would just say

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Speaker 1: is just go into the into the combine with having

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Speaker 1: an idea of how you think they're going to test.

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Speaker 1: You know, have some type of uh, some type of ideas.

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Speaker 1: So when they run, that tells you, Okay, while we

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Speaker 1: ran a lot faster, or he ran a lot slower,

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Speaker 1: or you know, I was dead on with what I

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Speaker 1: thought that that is a fun exercise that you can

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Speaker 1: do that helps you. You know, it's not going to

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Speaker 1: be the most exciting event, but it's something that could

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Speaker 1: get you through, could get you through. And despite it

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Speaker 1: being a little bit different, despite it being a little

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Speaker 1: bit of an oddity for this year's combine, we're still

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Speaker 1: excited to see prospects continue. It'll i mean, tasks it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it'll be a bigger deal because it's on

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Speaker 1: at night and you know, maybe some guys will trend

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Speaker 1: on Twitter because of what they're doing at the combine.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, there's not that much else going

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Speaker 1: on in the world of sports right now, is there? No,

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Speaker 1: not really NBA stuff, but I mean overall, so you're right, yeah, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that was a big said that because Lebron left. No,

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Speaker 1: poor guy, it's fine port Ohio. I mean, we'll see,

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Speaker 1: but uh, I mean even then, like if we look

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Speaker 1: up and Henry Ruggs is running a disappointing four three

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Speaker 1: three and he's still one of the faster top wide

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Speaker 1: receiver times, then maybe it is a field experiment and

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Speaker 1: maybe Dave Helman gets his wish. We'll see if that

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Speaker 1: that comes out, But that is gonna do it here

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Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show here on

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Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon. So glad you've joined us, Dane, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much again anytime all the way throughout the week and

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Speaker 1: throughout this draft process. Dave Helmont down on the end

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Speaker 1: of the table, I'm Kyle Yelman's thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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