1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,760
Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. Our guest

2
00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,600
Speaker 1: tonight is Oran McIntyre. He is with The Blaze. He's

3
00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,760
Speaker 1: got the Ordin McIntyre podcast over there. He was born

4
00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,920
Speaker 1: in Florida, grew up all over the South, son of

5
00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,079
Speaker 1: a military officer, a very high wattage individual. I'm really

6
00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,759
Speaker 1: good forward to talking to him, just based on his

7
00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,400
Speaker 1: very excellent Twitter or in. Thanks for being with us, man, great,

8
00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,840
Speaker 1: great to have you on the program. Yeah, thanks for

9
00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:32,720
Speaker 1: having me tell me about foxes and lions in the

10
00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:40,720
Speaker 1: context of politics America and Nicolo Machiavelli's seminal work The Prince,

11
00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,240
Speaker 1: which I know you've recently cited all these things together

12
00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,760
Speaker 1: in a sub stack. Break this one down for me.

13
00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was fascinating your most recent analysis on this.

14
00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:54,240
Speaker 1: Oh thanks, no, absolutely, Yeah. So Machiavelli had this comparison

15
00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,800
Speaker 1: between foxes and lions, and his advice for rulers is

16
00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,320
Speaker 1: that you should be clever like a fox and be

17
00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,880
Speaker 1: able to avoid traps. But fox as well clever, can't

18
00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,360
Speaker 1: really actually fight, say, a pack of wolves, and so

19
00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,840
Speaker 1: you also need to have some of the aspect of

20
00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,440
Speaker 1: the lion, the ability to fight back, you know, just

21
00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,160
Speaker 1: kind of bruce strength out of certain situations, and guys

22
00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,080
Speaker 1: who kind of continued in Machiavelli's political tradition, guys like

23
00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,479
Speaker 1: Alfredo Pardo kind of extended this. He called them type

24
00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,319
Speaker 1: one and type two derivations or residues, but it's easier

25
00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,880
Speaker 1: to just go foxes and lions. And basically he said that,

26
00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,039
Speaker 1: you know, each leadership classes has got an ad mixture

27
00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,720
Speaker 1: of kind of your clever people, the people who are

28
00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:44,880
Speaker 1: looking to kind of manipulate situations, alter things, look around corners,

29
00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,480
Speaker 1: explore new ideas, and then it has your core of

30
00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:53,880
Speaker 1: people who are strong patriotic. They're about keeping institutions rock

31
00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,320
Speaker 1: solid and perpetuating tradition, that kind of thing. And so

32
00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,360
Speaker 1: your fox type leaders are the ones that are going

33
00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,000
Speaker 1: to get you out of situations where you need cleverness,

34
00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,280
Speaker 1: nimbleness either ability to manipulate systems, and your lion type

35
00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:07,760
Speaker 1: leaders are the ones that are going to get you

36
00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,200
Speaker 1: out of situations where you need kind of that martial

37
00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,040
Speaker 1: strength and that kind of wherewithal to carry through those

38
00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,320
Speaker 1: difficult situations. And at the beginning of most civilizations you

39
00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,200
Speaker 1: have very lion type leaders. But as you kind of

40
00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,160
Speaker 1: go on, you end up with more fox type leaders,

41
00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,800
Speaker 1: and we're in a situation right now we're almost entirely

42
00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,160
Speaker 1: dominated by foxes and not lions. I would think maybe

43
00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,960
Speaker 1: the animal that comes to mind is jackasses or donkeys,

44
00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,320
Speaker 1: depending on who you're talking about. It certainly also has

45
00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,520
Speaker 1: some political connotations there for which party seems to be

46
00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,480
Speaker 1: doing the craziest stuff these days. I mean, one thing

47
00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:49,360
Speaker 1: that I know you've written about the notion of using

48
00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,400
Speaker 1: this concept of the democratic machine as a way as

49
00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,280
Speaker 1: of actually avoiding accountability. Because one thing that I talked

50
00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,760
Speaker 1: about during COVID was the whole game, the whole time

51
00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,080
Speaker 1: was somehow there were endless orders and you weren't in charge,

52
00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,600
Speaker 1: meaning you the American citizen, person, individual of anything, but

53
00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,679
Speaker 1: nobody was really responsible for making sure that you were

54
00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,640
Speaker 1: subject to constant, endless orders that made no sense whatsoever.

55
00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,680
Speaker 1: How does that work? Well? One of the great things

56
00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,600
Speaker 1: about democracy for people in powers, it tends to obfuskate

57
00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,920
Speaker 1: who's actually delivering kind of the rulings. Right, if you

58
00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,040
Speaker 1: have a king in charge, you may hate that king,

59
00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,799
Speaker 1: you might be terrible, it might be a tyrant, but

60
00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know who sent

61
00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,880
Speaker 1: the guys who are kicking your door down, right, Like

62
00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,840
Speaker 1: you understand who's in charge when you have a democracy, well,

63
00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's a system. These people are supposed to

64
00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,760
Speaker 1: be representing you. They're supposed to be popular. Sovereignty means

65
00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,520
Speaker 1: you select your leaders, and that means that really, at

66
00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:47,840
Speaker 1: the end of the day, even if a leader did

67
00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,680
Speaker 1: something wrong, it's kind of your neighbor's job to vote

68
00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,880
Speaker 1: them out. Right. It's the person down the street who's

69
00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,400
Speaker 1: the one who put that person into power. And so

70
00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,760
Speaker 1: you don't really have a one singular person. You have

71
00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,520
Speaker 1: distributed network of people who are kind of in theory

72
00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,680
Speaker 1: responsible for the action, but aren't really always able to

73
00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,120
Speaker 1: be held accountable, which is why you know, you might

74
00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,560
Speaker 1: vote a guy out of office, maybe end up getting

75
00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,760
Speaker 1: rid of a Joe Biden or whatever, But Joe Biden's

76
00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,800
Speaker 1: not running the country. I mean, who are we kidding here, right,

77
00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,320
Speaker 1: it's the guys behind Joe Biden. It's the people that

78
00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,960
Speaker 1: you don't really have the ability to hold accountable that

79
00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,880
Speaker 1: are the ones who are going to be there once

80
00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,279
Speaker 1: he's gone and still be making decisions in places like

81
00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,080
Speaker 1: the deep state. And I mean this in the most

82
00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,200
Speaker 1: general way, like, I just want to know where you

83
00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,200
Speaker 1: go with this. Who does run the country right now?

84
00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,200
Speaker 1: So I think the big thing we have to understand

85
00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,120
Speaker 1: is that really, at this moment, our country is run

86
00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,760
Speaker 1: by an oligarchy. I mean, we're run with the distributed system,

87
00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,640
Speaker 1: and that system crosses many different disciplines. You do have

88
00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,920
Speaker 1: people in the government, of course, that's the formal hand

89
00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,599
Speaker 1: of power, but much of this power is also spread

90
00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,359
Speaker 1: across what conservatives like to think of as the public

91
00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,880
Speaker 1: private distinction, that the private distinction does a lot of

92
00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,240
Speaker 1: work for people, but actually what really happens is that,

93
00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,960
Speaker 1: as we've seen with things like the Twitter files, these

94
00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,840
Speaker 1: private companies work hand in glove with government agencies and

95
00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,000
Speaker 1: non government agencies all the time. An attempt to censor

96
00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,760
Speaker 1: and control political opinion and make sure the right people

97
00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,480
Speaker 1: get money, the right people get elected, the right kind

98
00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,640
Speaker 1: of things are disseminated through all of our consistency making apparatus.

99
00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,480
Speaker 1: And when that's happening, really the story is in charge

100
00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,719
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. And so you know,

101
00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,839
Speaker 1: it would be nice if you could point to one

102
00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,360
Speaker 1: person and say, hey, this is the guy who's actually

103
00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,919
Speaker 1: running things. But What really have is a feeling across

104
00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,599
Speaker 1: a whole class of people in political Washington, the permanent bureaucracy,

105
00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,880
Speaker 1: Corporate America, the media, who all have similar values, they

106
00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,800
Speaker 1: all share similar goals, and they work together constantly to

107
00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,719
Speaker 1: steer the country in a particular direction, even if there's

108
00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,560
Speaker 1: not one guy handing out orders. Do you think enough

109
00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:05,240
Speaker 1: of the conry learned the appropriate lesson the very I

110
00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:10,840
Speaker 1: would argue painful lesson about authoritarianism from the whole FAUCII

111
00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:16,200
Speaker 1: COVID lockdown mass because for me the midterm elections, which

112
00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,240
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of things that people have

113
00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,760
Speaker 1: been and can point too as to what happened there,

114
00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,520
Speaker 1: I was like a single issue voter on that. I'm

115
00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,919
Speaker 1: obviously somebody whose votes Republican. I'm a conservative, But even

116
00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,560
Speaker 1: if the Republican Party had done what the Democrats did

117
00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,560
Speaker 1: over the course of COVID, I honestly would have been

118
00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,320
Speaker 1: a single issue voter on that. I felt it was

119
00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,839
Speaker 1: so beyond what you could even ever expect anyone to

120
00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:45,040
Speaker 1: do in this country, but they did it. What happened well,

121
00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,599
Speaker 1: I think the vast majority of people you know, in

122
00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,080
Speaker 1: at least the political commentating sphere. You know, a lot

123
00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,719
Speaker 1: of people, myself included, expected there'd be some kind of

124
00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, backlash when it came to the mid terms,

125
00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,800
Speaker 1: and I think the truth is that a lot of

126
00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,919
Speaker 1: people just kind of onboarded this now as part of life.

127
00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,960
Speaker 1: I think, unfortunately, a large amount of the country is

128
00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,240
Speaker 1: now more or less on board with this level of manipulation.

129
00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,160
Speaker 1: They probably can't do the full lockdown the way they

130
00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,960
Speaker 1: did last time. They probably have to ease it in

131
00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,160
Speaker 1: a little more next time. But I think you do

132
00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of people who are willing to kind

133
00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,760
Speaker 1: of go along with this. There are states like Florida

134
00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,720
Speaker 1: that did you push back against this, and in many

135
00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,200
Speaker 1: ways they prospered because of it. Obviously, you have a

136
00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,480
Speaker 1: large number of people who migrated down to Florida and

137
00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,760
Speaker 1: kind of bolstered to Santis's power in the state due

138
00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,120
Speaker 1: to the stance he took through COVID. But the downside

139
00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,520
Speaker 1: of that, even though I think there are upsides, is

140
00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,400
Speaker 1: all the people who didn't like what was happening in

141
00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,600
Speaker 1: New York and all those other states, they're gone now

142
00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,400
Speaker 1: there's no one left to push back. I'm one of them.

143
00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,840
Speaker 1: I was a New Yorker born and raised New York City, Manhattan,

144
00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,680
Speaker 1: went to Catholic school there, the whole thing, right, the

145
00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,600
Speaker 1: whole nine yards. And I can tell you orn that

146
00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,960
Speaker 1: it transitioned itself. Point from I can't believe how incompetent

147
00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:08,200
Speaker 1: and outrageously wrong and thuggish the Democrat administration of the

148
00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,600
Speaker 1: city is to ninety percent of my fellow New Yorkers

149
00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,200
Speaker 1: are going along with this, and they think it's fine,

150
00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,760
Speaker 1: and they're actually helping. They were kind of the volunteer

151
00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,520
Speaker 1: Stazi for MASK and COVID vaccine and all these other programs.

152
00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,080
Speaker 1: And so I just for me that was it done.

153
00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,880
Speaker 1: And so I'm also now a Floridian. I know you

154
00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,040
Speaker 1: were born in Florida. I'm a Floridian like many others

155
00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,640
Speaker 1: that have that have fled. And I do think that

156
00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,760
Speaker 1: this has resulted in changes that we're just beginning to

157
00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,280
Speaker 1: understand for what this means, not just from the for

158
00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,559
Speaker 1: the electoral map, but also for the country and which

159
00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,480
Speaker 1: states are going to be leaders going forward of the movement.

160
00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:51,160
Speaker 1: I think New York and California are now on trajectory

161
00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:56,160
Speaker 1: of almost inevitable catastrophe, particularly California. But I want to

162
00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,959
Speaker 1: come back to that in a second. I've got a

163
00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,720
Speaker 1: whole bunch more questions we were talking to Orin McIntyre.

164
00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,880
Speaker 1: He's at the Blaze. You check out his podcast. You

165
00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,320
Speaker 1: should also check out my friends at LifeLock, because if

166
00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:08,880
Speaker 1: you're doing anything online these days, you know, I just

167
00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,480
Speaker 1: found out that there's some fake account out there. Now.

168
00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,200
Speaker 1: They're haven't taken out loans in my name or anything,

169
00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,160
Speaker 1: but there's a fake social media accounts pretending to me

170
00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,960
Speaker 1: me and this stuff is super annoying. It happens all

171
00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,200
Speaker 1: the time. But what about the fact that they can

172
00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,360
Speaker 1: take your data. This is can happen to anybody and

173
00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,400
Speaker 1: take out a credit card in your name, or a

174
00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,480
Speaker 1: loan or any number of things, and you get stuck

175
00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,880
Speaker 1: dealing with that headache. You need LifeLock. LifeLock detect and

176
00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,160
Speaker 1: alerts he to potential identity threats you may not spot

177
00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,400
Speaker 1: on your own, like loans taken out in your name,

178
00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,320
Speaker 1: and if you do become a victim of identity theft.

179
00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,160
Speaker 1: This has happened to me too. A dedicated US based

180
00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,520
Speaker 1: LifeLock restoration specialist will work to fix it. And by

181
00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,720
Speaker 1: the way, your data is getting exposed through cyber hacks.

182
00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,920
Speaker 1: If you're buying anything with a credit card, you're putting

183
00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,800
Speaker 1: in your home address, all that stuff hacker gets that

184
00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,600
Speaker 1: information ends up on the dark web. You need LifeLock.

185
00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,320
Speaker 1: It's just a thing you got to have. No one

186
00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,920
Speaker 1: can prevent all identity theft or monitor all transactions at

187
00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,800
Speaker 1: all businesses, but it's easy to help protect yourself with LifeLock.

188
00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,880
Speaker 1: Like I said, I've had them for years. Join now

189
00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,160
Speaker 1: and we'll get you a great deal twenty five percent

190
00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,319
Speaker 1: off your first year with promo code buck. Go to

191
00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,079
Speaker 1: LifeLock dot com use promo code buck for twenty five

192
00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,120
Speaker 1: percent off. That's LifeLock dot com promo code b U

193
00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,199
Speaker 1: c K. Or you can just call this phone number

194
00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,440
Speaker 1: one eight hundred LifeLock right org. And So I really

195
00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:25,199
Speaker 1: appreciate your takes, particularly on Twitter, because you think through

196
00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,640
Speaker 1: these issues, you have original ideas and you bring insight

197
00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,400
Speaker 1: into them. If you could get conservatives forget about the

198
00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,480
Speaker 1: if you get conservatives to focus more on one thing

199
00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:43,640
Speaker 1: right now in the country, what would it be and why? Yeah,

200
00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,440
Speaker 1: that's a really tough one because the battle is so

201
00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,600
Speaker 1: multifaceted right now. I guess one of the things I

202
00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,840
Speaker 1: would ask conservatives to understand is kind of where victories

203
00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,920
Speaker 1: come from. Right, we look at so many of these elections,

204
00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,680
Speaker 1: We look at so many promises that people in the

205
00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,440
Speaker 1: GOP and elsewhere and make over and over again the

206
00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,400
Speaker 1: same thing, and people, you know, look and they look

207
00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,040
Speaker 1: at the results and they say, how do we keep

208
00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,079
Speaker 1: moving to the left? How do we keep winning elections

209
00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,600
Speaker 1: in these different areas? But nothing actually gets done? And

210
00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,320
Speaker 1: then you look at something like Elon Musk buying Twitter, right,

211
00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,640
Speaker 1: and you know, he's not perfect. I have my own

212
00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,839
Speaker 1: problems with the Elon Musk, but at the end of

213
00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,400
Speaker 1: the day, his purchase of Twitter did way more to

214
00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,040
Speaker 1: destroy parts of the progressive narrative and break the stranglehold

215
00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,800
Speaker 1: and the obvious scation they rolled to a bring to

216
00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,400
Speaker 1: what was happening with things like government and you know,

217
00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,920
Speaker 1: the FBI requesting censorship. That's a much more powerful blow

218
00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,000
Speaker 1: than you know, some piece of legislation that never gets

219
00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,960
Speaker 1: to enforce somewhere. And that's not to say that, of

220
00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,839
Speaker 1: course laws and elections don't matter. They do, but understanding

221
00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,480
Speaker 1: that victories don't just come through getting another Republican elected,

222
00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,040
Speaker 1: because if there's not an apparatus to hold these people accountable,

223
00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,840
Speaker 1: and if there's not other avenues on which you're making

224
00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,839
Speaker 1: gains culturally, in the business field, in the law field,

225
00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,200
Speaker 1: all over the place, then you're going to end up losing.

226
00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,960
Speaker 1: It's not just one point of a battle. It's an

227
00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,320
Speaker 1: entire war, and you have to actually look at the

228
00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,880
Speaker 1: whole field. You can't just focus on well, eventually I'll

229
00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,160
Speaker 1: just get Donald Trump or run to Santa Selected and

230
00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,280
Speaker 1: they'll sweep in and fix everything. That's not how it's

231
00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,720
Speaker 1: going to work. There are no there are no silver bullets.

232
00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,400
Speaker 1: I think conservatives have started to see that a little

233
00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,199
Speaker 1: bit more, and I think a part of that or

234
00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,800
Speaker 1: in would be the recognition that our side seem to

235
00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:38,760
Speaker 1: think that we could either seed the platforms and institutions

236
00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,680
Speaker 1: of power and influence on the other side entirely, things

237
00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,640
Speaker 1: like academia, or we could just fight for some scrap

238
00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,280
Speaker 1: that will call neutral space. And increasingly I think there's

239
00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,600
Speaker 1: been an awareness of one. If you give the other

240
00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,360
Speaker 1: side all the institutions and levers of power, you're going

241
00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,360
Speaker 1: to lose. Irrespective of this is even outside of elections,

242
00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:04,120
Speaker 1: right if they have academa, Hollywood news media law these days,

243
00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,000
Speaker 1: By the way, law schools are just churning out, you know,

244
00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,880
Speaker 1: woke activists with jds, all these things, all these different places.

245
00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,000
Speaker 1: You know, the the dominance that the left has even

246
00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,720
Speaker 1: had in the nonprofit sector, I mean areas, it's think, what,

247
00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,080
Speaker 1: of course there's enormous dominance and nonprofits and you know,

248
00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,080
Speaker 1: different aspects of giving. Do you think that there's been

249
00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,960
Speaker 1: an awakening? Do you think that there's enough of a

250
00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,319
Speaker 1: sense that we have to compete on many many platforms,

251
00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,040
Speaker 1: battlefields whatever you want to call them, or else, They're

252
00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,960
Speaker 1: just going to keep getting their way one way or

253
00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,520
Speaker 1: the other as the country moves on. I think there

254
00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,040
Speaker 1: is some awareness of that now, but it's still an

255
00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,640
Speaker 1: uphill battle. Conservatives still have again this idea of really

256
00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,320
Speaker 1: limited government, and you know, it's that's the key, as

257
00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,040
Speaker 1: long as you don't get the government, as long as

258
00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,800
Speaker 1: long as you don't try to impose your will and

259
00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,199
Speaker 1: someone live and let live. Right, And this sounds great

260
00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,600
Speaker 1: in theory, it's kind of what we all want. Yeah,

261
00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,960
Speaker 1: the neutral space, Yeah, neutral space, sure, exactly right, right,

262
00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,960
Speaker 1: But but the key is, like there is no value

263
00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,000
Speaker 1: neutral government institution. There's no value neutral institution period and

264
00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,320
Speaker 1: a lot of conservatives or people who have kind of

265
00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,439
Speaker 1: been chefed out of the progressive movement want to believe

266
00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,560
Speaker 1: that we can return to some kind of mythical time

267
00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,240
Speaker 1: in like the nineties, where there was no influence on

268
00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,240
Speaker 1: these kind of things. But the truth is that someone's

269
00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,440
Speaker 1: values were always being pushed, someone's agenda was always being pushed,

270
00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,320
Speaker 1: and we've got to recognize that. Has the left gotten

271
00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,680
Speaker 1: crazier in the last five years faster? Obviously it's moved

272
00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,080
Speaker 1: further left, But has the acceleration been something that you

273
00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,600
Speaker 1: feel is noticeably at more of a breakneck pace. Or

274
00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,280
Speaker 1: are we just waking up to the project that they've

275
00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,440
Speaker 1: been engaged in, say on gender rights and the transgender

276
00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,320
Speaker 1: issue for the last twenty years, but now we're at

277
00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,080
Speaker 1: like that, we're you know, we're defending on our own

278
00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,560
Speaker 1: five yard line, you know what I mean? Is it

279
00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,040
Speaker 1: have they just gone for it much more aggressively in

280
00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,960
Speaker 1: the last few years, or are we just realizing now

281
00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,080
Speaker 1: this has been pushed and we're basically at the final stages.

282
00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,800
Speaker 1: I think it's both. I think you're right that we

283
00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,720
Speaker 1: are on the five yard line all of a sudden,

284
00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,200
Speaker 1: people are like, oh man, are we losing this thing.

285
00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,400
Speaker 1: What's going on? Right? I think it has been a

286
00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,080
Speaker 1: very long march for the institutions. I think this battle

287
00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,880
Speaker 1: has been ongoing for a very long time. But it

288
00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,360
Speaker 1: is also accelerating because the left feels like it has

289
00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,480
Speaker 1: this complete hegemony over the institutions and they can just

290
00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,080
Speaker 1: kind of flex. They don't have to really have ideological

291
00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,000
Speaker 1: justifications anymore. Then it really need to have any kind

292
00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,480
Speaker 1: of you know, lip service to free speech or the

293
00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,160
Speaker 1: neutral battlefield or anything like that. They're in the right.

294
00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,880
Speaker 1: They have the moral power, they have the the you know,

295
00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,680
Speaker 1: functional power. They don't really need to pretend anymore that

296
00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,800
Speaker 1: they're playing this game so they can go faster. But

297
00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,800
Speaker 1: the battle has been there for a very long time.

298
00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,880
Speaker 1: I do think that we see that what you just

299
00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,360
Speaker 1: mentioned about how they just do stuff that is well,

300
00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,280
Speaker 1: it's obviously true with it. It was most apparent with

301
00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,280
Speaker 1: the social media companies because I still remember ten years

302
00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,360
Speaker 1: ago when I first got into this game at the Blaze.

303
00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,920
Speaker 1: By the way, we'll come back and talk about him.

304
00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,600
Speaker 1: Did you know that I'm a Blaze alumni. I'm one

305
00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,880
Speaker 1: of the Blaze original gangsters. Like I go way back

306
00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,920
Speaker 1: to the beginning when Glenn was talking about this thing

307
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,160
Speaker 1: he's going to create called the Blaze, and anyway, we'll

308
00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,800
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit. But I remember that

309
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,440
Speaker 1: the notion that Twitter would take action against people based

310
00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,880
Speaker 1: upon just not liking what was said. I mean that

311
00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,200
Speaker 1: that was it was offensive to Twitter executives. I mean,

312
00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,520
Speaker 1: we have there are a free speech company. And then

313
00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,160
Speaker 1: it turned into oh, well, we just make mistakes sometimes

314
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,840
Speaker 1: and we're just trying to keep people safe and this

315
00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,120
Speaker 1: is about safety, and the mistakes seemed to go and

316
00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,600
Speaker 1: get conservatives only, but it's really about safety. And then,

317
00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,640
Speaker 1: as we know, in the ear of trumpet, turned into

318
00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,680
Speaker 1: shut up, what are you going to do about it?

319
00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,120
Speaker 1: And I think that's been actually really clarifying. I think

320
00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,640
Speaker 1: people have seen, oh, that's what they do when they

321
00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,080
Speaker 1: can get away with it. Yeah, the left never really

322
00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,240
Speaker 1: cared about free speech, right. These people always had an agenda,

323
00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,720
Speaker 1: the head a very scific plan for what society should

324
00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,239
Speaker 1: be in all of those plans were really terrible. I mean,

325
00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,840
Speaker 1: the left is a movement that is built on the

326
00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:12,720
Speaker 1: destruction of healthy hierarchies and natural boundaries and social order,

327
00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,840
Speaker 1: and so they want to break down things like family.

328
00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,560
Speaker 1: They want to break things down like faith. They want

329
00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,639
Speaker 1: to break things down like property rights. This is all

330
00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,239
Speaker 1: stuff they want to take down. And they haven't been

331
00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,240
Speaker 1: shy about this for many decades. But you know, even

332
00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,199
Speaker 1: though they had these really dangerous ideas free speech right,

333
00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,520
Speaker 1: you had to hear them out. And so they use

334
00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,680
Speaker 1: that as a tool to enter institutions and work their

335
00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,840
Speaker 1: way in and acquire power. But now that they have

336
00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,800
Speaker 1: that power, they're not dumb enough to leave that on

337
00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,600
Speaker 1: the ground so someone else can pick it up and

338
00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,240
Speaker 1: wield it against them. They're the ones in the citadel now,

339
00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:43,920
Speaker 1: and they're definitely going to make sure that you don't

340
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,840
Speaker 1: have the option to push back. Is already where where

341
00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:53,240
Speaker 1: you think Conservatism is losing the battle for hearts and minds,

342
00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,840
Speaker 1: where in particular, you just say, how are we not

343
00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,480
Speaker 1: doing better on that one? How is it possible that

344
00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,560
Speaker 1: we're not just trouncing them in the realm of public

345
00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,960
Speaker 1: opinion on this issue because of how it's being presented

346
00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:10,080
Speaker 1: or how the politicians or the party are making the case. Yeah,

347
00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many cases where the framing from

348
00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,280
Speaker 1: conservatives is just horrible. I mean, for instance, you'll notice

349
00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,800
Speaker 1: that conservatives are always willing to talk about like how

350
00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,280
Speaker 1: the Democrats are the real races right, Like this is

351
00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,159
Speaker 1: the constant refrain from Oh it's it's really, at the

352
00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,800
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's the left that hate minorities

353
00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,199
Speaker 1: or whatever, and that just plays so poorly because the

354
00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,160
Speaker 1: left owns the public definition of these ideas. I mean,

355
00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,760
Speaker 1: whether you believe that racism has a very specific definition

356
00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,760
Speaker 1: or not, I think most of us do. But it

357
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,640
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter because all the people who actually cancel people,

358
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,560
Speaker 1: all the people who actually deal out damage to people,

359
00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,560
Speaker 1: get their bank accounts shut down, get people taken off

360
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,080
Speaker 1: of jobs, that kind of thing, they're on the left.

361
00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,120
Speaker 1: They're the ones that actually control this thing. And so

362
00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,560
Speaker 1: when you try to wield the same weapon of the

363
00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,119
Speaker 1: left back at them, what you do is you end

364
00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,120
Speaker 1: up reinforcing their frame. And we do this on all

365
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,000
Speaker 1: kinds of issues. Oh, at the end of the day,

366
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,520
Speaker 1: it's the left. I really believe this, and it just

367
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,480
Speaker 1: ends up giving your enemy more powerful weapons to continue

368
00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,399
Speaker 1: to use because they're the ones that actually own the

369
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,760
Speaker 1: mechanism that punish people about us. I totally agree with that.

370
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 1: I would also I would add into this. I always

371
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:21,080
Speaker 1: say it's fine to call out hypocrisy. But it's a

372
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:26,119
Speaker 1: little bit like when people tell the guys the thugs

373
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,440
Speaker 1: that go into a Dwayne Read in San Francisco and

374
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,400
Speaker 1: fill a bag full of stolen stuff, they're like, hey,

375
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,439
Speaker 1: you shouldn't take that. They don't care. And when we

376
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,480
Speaker 1: tell the left they're being hypocritical, it's fine to call

377
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,200
Speaker 1: it out. I mean, and we're going to, but I

378
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,439
Speaker 1: don't think we should confuse the left is hypocritical on

379
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,160
Speaker 1: a whole range of issues with we're going to shame

380
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 1: them by calling out the hip. Hypocritical is who they are.

381
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,400
Speaker 1: It's actually about it's about hierarchy, it's about power structure.

382
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 1: The whole point to what you're saying about racism is

383
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 1: that they get to say it's not even possible, for example,

384
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 1: to be for there to be racism against white people

385
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 1: because of power hierarchies. Like they'll actually make that claim,

386
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 1: which would seem to undermine the very definition of racism. Yeah,

387
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Sheila and Jackson Lee just introduced a bill

388
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 1: basically trying to specifically ban the political speech of white people.

389
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,479
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, come on, who are we kidding here? Right?

390
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,200
Speaker 1: Obviously that's racism by any definition specifically targeting the speech

391
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 1: of one race. But they're left don't care, they don't

392
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 1: even blink. In fact, like you said, they've worked this

393
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 1: ideology of you know, there is no such thing as

394
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 1: racism against white people, and basically, like everything they talk about,

395
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 1: they give lectures on this to multibillion dollar corporations and academia. Right,

396
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 1: So this is like a key part of the leftist

397
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, contradiction. But they don't care because, like you said,

398
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: it's about the hierarchy. They get to wield the definition,

399
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 1: they get to cancel people due to this charge. You

400
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 1: don't because you're on the wrong team. That's the end

401
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,679
Speaker 1: of the issue. Donald Trump, as you and I are

402
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 1: talking right now, there are reports out that he is

403
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: considering We were just talking about Twitter a minute ago,

404
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: so I was thinking about this considering coming back to Twitter.

405
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 1: As as a Twitter user, I find this to be

406
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 1: very entertaining and amusing. As somebody who would like to

407
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: see a Republican president in twenty twenty four, I'm a

408
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 1: little more on edge about it. What do you think, Yeah,

409
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's going to be a lot

410
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: of fun. Right. So, the thing his tweets are amazing, Like,

411
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 1: I just that that hour conceed right away. Yeah. Yeah,

412
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 1: the man is a savant on Twitter. There's just no

413
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: other way to say it. I Mean, here's the thing

414
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: about Trump. He was never a great governor, right, he

415
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: was never, but his main power, his superpower, the thing

416
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: that people really loved him for was his ability to

417
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: take it to the media and take it to the left. Right.

418
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: He said the things people wanted set He went after

419
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: the people who people wanted to be punished for their

420
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: ugly lies that they tell about people all the time.

421
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: And Trump was willing to do it. Maybe because he's

422
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 1: a master at this, maybe because he just didn't know

423
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: where the lines are. But either way, Trump is a

424
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: heat seeking missile for the left and he drives them

425
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: absolutely bananas. I don't know if that's enough to get

426
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 1: him elected president again, but it does mean he's in

427
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: the very effective Twitter user. I think that one thing

428
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: that Trump. There are some areas where I think Trump

429
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 1: just doesn't get nearly enough credit, even from supporters or

430
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: people like me voted for him. I might assume you

431
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: voted for him too, you know, just because it's They're

432
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: the areas where I think Trump really likes to just

433
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: take credit. He likes to do the victory laps. And

434
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,719
Speaker 1: there are others where I say, hey, big guy, you

435
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: know you did an amazing thing here. On China trade policy,

436
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: for example, the bind administration has essentially just continued the

437
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: Trump China trade policy because everybody realized when it was implemented, oh,

438
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: actually this needed to be done. Right. The US Mexico

439
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: Canada Agreement NAFTA was basically he negotiated and decided before

440
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: anybody was even really only internet. I mean, it's been decades.

441
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: That was the right thing to do. Another area, though,

442
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: where I think he doesn't get enough credit or enough

443
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: specific credit. Maybe this kind of goes to your point

444
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: about the media. I think Trump broke CNN. I mean

445
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: CNN is in disarray at you know, they had huge firing.

446
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: CNN Plus is dead. I think Trump essentially mortally wounded

447
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: CNN as a news organization. Yeah, the most valuable thing

448
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: Trump did was just get the media to rip their

449
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: masks off, right, Like, there's no way you can go

450
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: back to some veneer of neutrality, you know, pretend that

451
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: you're Walter Cronkite delivering you know, straight news when you've

452
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: seen these guys just shriek at Donald Trump for years,

453
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think it's incredibly valuable. And don't

454
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: get wrong, he did have government governing accomplishments. I'm not

455
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: saying he didn't, but yeah, the most powerful thing he

456
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,479
Speaker 1: did by far was discredit the media. And I just

457
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: love the fact that when he called them fake news,

458
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: it seems like such a schoolyard at first, but it

459
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: really got to them. It really bothered them at a deep,

460
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 1: at a visceral level, and I think they to your

461
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: point about how it exposed them, they couldn't help themselves.

462
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean they were making arguments. Washington Post writers are

463
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: making arguments about I think as an entity, honestly made

464
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: the argument, well, in the era of Trump, the truth

465
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: is anti Trump. So it's not you know, we're not

466
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: being opinionated by being anti Trump, that's just what the

467
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: truth is. I mean, they created these really orwellian mind

468
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: loops for themselves. You think, do you think he's going

469
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: to be the nominee? What's your take on I would

470
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: have said yes until a few weeks ago, and honestly,

471
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: my faith is a little shaken. I think Trump would

472
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: have been the best option. I loved DeSantis. I'm a Floridian.

473
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: I think he's an amazing governor. I think he has

474
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: incredible potential in the Republican Party. But I just think

475
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: that he's more valuable right now showing people how to

476
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: build a power structure outside of Washington, how to effectively

477
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: lead outside of Washington, how regional leadership can be far

478
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: more important than some bill passed in DC. I think

479
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: he's incredibly valuable in that role. And I think Trump,

480
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: in his ability to kind of defeat the media, is

481
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: kind of the best weapon you can wield in Washington,

482
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: because I don't think big changes are really coming at

483
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: the federal level. But which you can do is put

484
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: someone there who will destroy the media. But it does

485
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: feel like Trump lost a step. It does feel like

486
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the fight in him anymore. I hope

487
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I hope he catches a second wind. I

488
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: just age as a factor. With all this, I would

489
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: say to people the difference I've even seen in family

490
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: members between their six You know, in my experience, I

491
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: could say family members in their sixties, they're still challenging

492
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: me to push up contests, and you know they're still

493
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: got to once you get into your late seventies. It's

494
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, you got to take care of those people

495
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: a little more. There's a little less energy, there's a

496
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: little I think that's just there, which is why the

497
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: whole Biden phenomenon is just it's beyond it's beyond irresponsible

498
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: to have made this guy president. There is this moment

499
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: now where you have the classified documents that have been

500
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: strewn around, and I think they're just having a hard time.

501
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: Even the spin machine, you know, the apparatus of disinformation

502
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: that the Democrats run, doesn't really know how to play this.

503
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: Do you think it goes anywhere? Though? Meaning do you

504
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: think that this has ramifications for the Biden presidency or

505
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: is this just a thing that like Hunter Biden, which

506
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: should have been right, that should have been the big

507
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: thing that, oh the Biden crime family, but it didn't.

508
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: So what do you think with this one? It's tough.

509
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: You know. Part of me just wants to say, Okay,

510
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: well they dropped this the way they did after the midterms,

511
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: so they can kind of get it through the news

512
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: cycle as fast as possible and then move on. But

513
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: the slightly more conspiratorial part of me, it says, someone said,

514
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: we're done with Joe after this election. I mean, it's

515
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: very obvious that a lot of these documents probably could

516
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: have been shown at any time. And when you have

517
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: this many showing up in so many different places simultaneously,

518
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: it's either a very bad cleanup operation that's just kind

519
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: of feeding this stuff and hoping it goes away, or

520
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: it's just something that was meant to kind of make

521
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: him disqualify so someone else can step in that role

522
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: later on. I want to get into a little bit

523
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: of or in lore we come into our next topic

524
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: here to second as in how you got into this game,

525
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: some of your background on all that, maybe even I

526
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: don't know if you're if you have any particular hobbies

527
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: you want to dive into all things or in McIntire

528
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: a second, but I want to speak to the pro

529
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: life community for a moment here, because, as you know,

530
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: even though there was this big Supreme Court decision, there's

531
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: still abortions happening in a lot of states, and they're

532
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: happening every day in huge numbers, and it's a tragedy.

533
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: It's really sad. But the pro life community can do

534
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: something about it. There are ways that you can get

535
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: in this fight for life and the Preborn Pregnancy Clinics

536
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: are one of those ways. The pre pregnancy clinics have

537
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: been helping women for years by providing them with free

538
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: ultrasounds as well as counseling, care material assistants. They're helping

539
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: moms through that difficult moment when they're deciding whether or

540
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: not to have a baby, and if the mother chooses

541
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 1: to have that baby and give her child life, then

542
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: they continue on with all the help she needs to

543
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: bring it to a successful pregnancy, and then afterwards as well,

544
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: for a couple of years after the baby is born.

545
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: And this all starts with the ultrasound, the free ultrasound

546
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: that they give. So please donate to Preborn if you

547
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: can today, dial pound two five zero, say the keyword baby.

548
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: That's pound two five zero from your phone and say

549
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: the keyword baby. Your donation entirely goes towards saving babies

550
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: lives and is also entirely tax deductible. Twenty eight dollars

551
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: can pay for an ultrasound, So two hundred eighty dollars

552
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: ten ultrasounds you could save ten babies lives. Think about

553
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: the impact you can have here. Dial pound two five

554
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: zero and say the keyword baby all right, or so

555
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: I like to ask because I'm gonna I'm gonna talk

556
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: to you a little bit about some of the blaze stuff.

557
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: How did you get into this game? Man? What was

558
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: what was the beginnings of you making these arguments and

559
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: getting in the fight to help save the country. Uh,

560
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, is very weird. I've someone who went to

561
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: school for politics. I've always been interested in politics. I

562
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: remember listening to political talk radio and I was ten

563
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: and trying to call in because you know, it was

564
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: very normal. And uh, when I got out of college,

565
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: I ended up working at politics a little bit, and

566
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: then I became a reporter for a few years. Nothing big,

567
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: just with a local paper doing where politics down to Florida.

568
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: Where down in southwest Florida. Down southwest Florida. Oh nice,

569
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: that's a that's a nice. You know, some people get

570
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: stuck in like you know, northern North Dakota doing their

571
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: local reportings. So southwest Florida is pretty nice. Yeah. Yeah.

572
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: If he ended up on you know, world class beaches

573
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: when you have to do your your reporting, it's not

574
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: the not the worst thing they ever happened. But yeah,

575
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: you know I was doing that and as I was

576
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: watching all these elections and things they were going on.

577
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, things aren't working the

578
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: way that I think they're supposed to. Politics isn't functioning

579
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: the way that I thought it should. And then when

580
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: we hit especially COVID, you know, I was like, Okay,

581
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: this is insane. The Constitution isn't protecting the rights that

582
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: it's supposed to. Why are people standing up for this?

583
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: What's going on? And that's kind of when I fell

584
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: down a rabbit hole. I started doing a bunch of reading.

585
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: I started listening to different voices, looking at older political

586
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: theory and trying to understand kind of how this applied

587
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: to the world and what was happening around me. And

588
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: I started writing and recording YouTube videos. And that's kind

589
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: of how I got started. What were some of the

590
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: most in that process that you're talking about, that sort

591
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: of transition into taking an active hand in the ideological

592
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: battle here for the soul of the country as a conservative,

593
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: What were some of the most important books? Like, Because

594
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: one of the things I always get, and I'm sure

595
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: people would ask if I didn't ask you, is give

596
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: me some books that will really, you know, give me

597
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: something to work with will inspire me, will teach me,

598
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: you know what, you know the whole deal. So what

599
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: do you What are some of the ones that come

600
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: to mind for you? Sure if you want to understand

601
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: politics right now, I think one of the key books

602
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: is The Machiavellians by James Burnham. He summarizes what's come

603
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: to be called Italian elite theory, and it's really the

604
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: Machiavellian descendant of political analysis, and I think it's pretty

605
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: important if you kind of want to understand what's happening now.

606
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: A lot of people forget James Burnham. He was the

607
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: guy who helped found the National Review, uh, you know,

608
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: and along with Buckley and but a lot of people

609
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: don't read them anymore. But it's actually really powerful analysis.

610
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: I'd say Christopher Caldwell's book, uh about the Entitlement Enlightenment

611
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: Engine title right, that's a really powerful book. I think

612
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: it's it's making the rounds now with a lot of

613
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: people and kind of understanding that better. But it's really powerful.

614
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: It makes a lot of arguments about the Civil rights Revolution,

615
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: and even though it is very well meaning and intention

616
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: the legal for ramifications became extra constitutional and kind of

617
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: what that's done. That's, for instance, a lot of conservatives

618
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: when they think they're talking about, you know, kind of

619
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: this trans kids type stuff debate, they think you're having

620
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: a debate about biology. I mean, you know, you know,

621
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: what is a Woman is a hilarious movie. It's it's

622
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: very good. But that's not actually the debate you're having.

623
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: You're actually having a debate about civil rights, which is

624
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: why courts are now using trans ideology to separate children

625
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: from their parents. They're using civil rights ideology as the

626
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: way to kind of cleave their way into the family.

627
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: Bertrand de Juvenal has a book on power. It's another

628
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: great one about kind of how political power works. I

629
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: could kind of do this forever, so you just stop.

630
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: Mean when these by the way that the people that

631
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: are listening to this, the people that are watching this,

632
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: they're they're taking to that this is I get more

633
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: requests for this. Usually with me, I'll get into history record,

634
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: history book recommendations. I love reading, you know all. I

635
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: have a couple of periods I particularly like. It is

636
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: interesting you're you like Machiavelli so much. I find the

637
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: sixteenth century Mediterranean world to be absolutely fascinating. So the

638
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: Siege of Malta, the Battle of Lepanto, the various major

639
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: Christian Muslim clashes that occurred, things like that. I've done

640
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: a whole podcast on them. So I like that stuff

641
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: a lot. But on the political science side and political theory,

642
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: which is what you're you're giving us now, you know,

643
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: I think people need more good recommendations. I'm not taking

644
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: shots out in particular, but there's a lot of people

645
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: out there now on the right. Look, ghostwriters are all

646
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: over the place. People are having all kinds of stuff

647
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: ghost written, and there's this industry of churning out these

648
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: very like oh, this is just a version of what

649
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: I say on my show Everyday Books And look, that's fine,

650
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: and people, you know, it's capitalism, and I get it.

651
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: But there are books that you read and you actually

652
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: have an addition to your skill set to think about

653
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: these issues. And I think that what you're talking about

654
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: those are books that fall into that category. I mean,

655
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: do you do you know Hadley Arcis the political theorist

656
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: you ever heard of? Hadley Arcis the He's the single

657
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: It's not famous like people who were talking about the

658
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: only conservative AMers College where I went and has written

659
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: a whole. He wrote a book called First Things. He

660
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: used to be an associate editor at National Review. I

661
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: think for a while, or I think First Things magazine.

662
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: But this is something we would I would always talk

663
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: about when we would have these meetings. He had this

664
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: thing called the Committee for the American Founding. We sit

665
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: around and just going over what books were we even

666
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: being assigned in the political science course. If I wanted

667
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: to learn about you know, Fenal obviously marks, you know,

668
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: go go down the list, go down the list of

669
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: super unhappy, miserable, malcontents who wanted to destroy their societies.

670
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: A lot of that, but anything that was useful in

671
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: the contemporary context for a conservative, or even just to

672
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: understand the constitution, natural law and a sense of philosophy

673
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: that isn't rooted in nothing matters, and you should just

674
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, he should just give up. That was hard

675
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: to find. So I think some of the books that

676
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: you're giving a favorite history period, since we're all that,

677
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: actually give me favorite history period, and or you get

678
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 1: a couple of book recommendations you're gonna throw to this

679
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: this group, what would it be. I'm a big fan

680
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: of Rome, so I really enjoy kind of all Things Rome.

681
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: If I was going to pitch one thing on learning

682
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: about the Roman Empire in Republic, I'd say the History

683
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: of Rome podcast is probably the best. Listen to it. Yeah,

684
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: he's very good, and he's also written a couple of

685
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 1: books about both Roman history, and I think he also

686
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: did one about the Marquis de Lafayette, so he's got

687
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: a couple of those as well. So it's very good.

688
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: I read years ago Gold's Worthies how Rome fell about,

689
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, the decline and fall of the Roman Empire,

690
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting. A big part of it

691
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: was the dissolution of borders and the growth of bureaucracy

692
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: beyond that which could be even vaguely accountable to the people.

693
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: You start to say, that doesn't, that doesn't doesn't make

694
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: me feel warm and fuzzy, mister Oran, when you start

695
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: to make some of these some of these comparisons, Um,

696
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: are you optimistic about the future of the country. How

697
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: would you put yourself on that scale? Well, I think

698
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: it depends on what you mean by optimistic. I am

699
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: optimistic that at the end of this there will be

700
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: an opportunity for America, for Americans to kind of forge

701
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: a new positive identity that leads you to a better

702
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: vision of what's going on. But I think we've got

703
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: some rough times ahead. We've got a lot of those

704
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: bureaucracy are our institutions are sclerotic, they are worthless in

705
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: many ways. We can't you know, planes can't take off.

706
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: We don't know how to make antibiotics here anymore. You know,

707
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: we don't know how to provide energy. I mean, we

708
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: know how to provide energy, we just decide not to

709
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: do it. Right Like, there's a lot of huge problems

710
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: with our institutions right now, and they have to go

711
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: through massive periods of change, and unfortunately, I think some

712
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: of those are going to require people to kind of

713
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: have more difficult times before they're willing to kind of

714
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: stand up and make those changes. But once those changes

715
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: get made, I think much better times could be ahead.

716
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: Mentioned the energy thing. Just recently there was the Greta

717
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: Thunberg posing for her arrest photos at I didn't it

718
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: was like a natural gas field or something I can't

719
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: even I don't even know where it was, some fossil

720
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: fuel thing that allows us to have you know, heating electricity,

721
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: And she's like, I hate this, How is it that

722
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: adults take. I think she's eighteen or nineteen now, so

723
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: she you know, she's considered technically an adult, but obviously

724
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: she's just basically teenager. She doesn't know anything. How is

725
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: it that adults take this individual seriously? Like, you know,

726
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: did you ever see I mean, you know, Jake Tapper,

727
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: CNN top top folks over there would sit down an

728
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: interview Greta Thunberg, and I just I don't understand how

729
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: any adult, period, whether they're on the news or anywhere else,

730
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: could sit down. You know, Anderson Cooper had her on

731
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: all these people. I mean, I'm just going through the

732
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: CNN lineup. She doesn't know anything, and she's supposed to

733
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: reorder trillions of dollars of the global economy because she

734
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: has like a frownie face. I don't understand. Yeah, I

735
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: guess the question is, does anyone really think that she

736
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: has original ideas? Maybe they do. I mean, what she

737
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: really is as an avatar of the revolution, She's got

738
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: the people buying her that kind of prop her up.

739
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: She's artificial through and through, and again, this is nothing

740
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: against her. She probably really believes what she believes in.

741
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: I'm not angry at her, but there's an entire apparatus

742
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: that's holding her up in geo complex the kind of

743
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: stuff you're talking about, and they have a particular agenda,

744
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: and she's very useful because in our culture we've coded

745
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: this idea that the revolution is young, right, like young

746
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: people lead the revolution, they distribute the wisdom to the

747
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: old fuddy duddies who don't understand what's coming next. You know,

748
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: she's fighting for her future because she's the one who's

749
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: going to have to live in the planet. That kind

750
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: of stuff, you know, And to be honest, I'm pretty

751
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: interested in, you know, arguments about conservation. I think the

752
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: right should be more interested in, you know, honoring the planet,

753
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: making sure that you know nature. Are people on the

754
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: right or hunters, fishermen, they love this stuff, right, and

755
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: I think they are kind of naturally people who want

756
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: the world to be taken care of, but they want

757
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: it in a way their civilization is going to continue.

758
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: They don't want, you know, to have rolling blackout throughout

759
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: the country because you know, someone wanted to make sure

760
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: that they can go ahead and manufacture electric cars at

761
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: a profit, right, Like, that's not really what people want

762
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: when they think of as conservation yeah. Well, there's always

763
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: this game that's played where they'll say, well, don't you

764
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: want clean water to drink? And it's like, yeah, every

765
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: everybody wants clean that. I've never met the conservative who says,

766
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. You know when when there's a community

767
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 1: like Flint, for example, there's lead in the drinking water,

768
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, too bad. No, everyone says that we need

769
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: to have clean drinking water. That's that's a huge failure

770
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: of of of of governance there, and that's a huge

771
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: failure of the authorities that are in charge of this.

772
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: But they go, don't you want clean water? And then

773
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: it's so we need to have carbon offsets so that

774
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: John Kerry can not feel bad about himself for flying

775
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: on a private jet to Davos to talk about how

776
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: we can't have gastos like you know what it's it's

777
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: it's always they start with these things like, well don't

778
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: you want them most don't you want to be able

779
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: to breathe clean air and drink clean water? And say

780
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: well yeah, and then somehow it's what we see going

781
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: on at Davos with eat the bugs, ride the bicycle,

782
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: shut your mouth, be cold in the winter. Yeah, all

783
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: the solutions are funneling more money into the pockets of

784
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: their supporters, right, Like, that's how you can tell that

785
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: their agenda is just bunk. They don't actually care about

786
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: this stuff. What they care about is enriching their patrons.

787
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: And that's something that I think the right needs to understand.

788
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: The left is very effective because the left is built

789
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: on rewarding its supporters. I mean, say what you want

790
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: about these people. People on the left expect to get paid, right,

791
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: They expect money to flow into their pockets, either through

792
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: social programs or through business investments, this kind of thing. Right,

793
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: I think that's such an important point. I try to

794
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: get people to understand one of the things. There are

795
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: things the left just does better. The Democrats do better

796
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: than Republicans or conservatives, And one of them is they

797
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: take care of their soldiers. You know, if people understand, oh,

798
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: on the left, if someone gets fired or they do

799
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: something crazy, or they're caught with the plagiarism or whatever,

800
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: they always resurface somewhere else. And if they do something

801
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: egregious at the FBI, but it helped the Democrat, they

802
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: get a CNN contributorship, they get a book contract, they

803
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: get put on the boards of companies, there's this whole

804
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: apparatus that takes care of their team, and that means

805
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: a whole heck of a lot, right. I mean, you

806
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: go back in history the armies that win, or the

807
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: armies generally that are getting paid, or where there's some

808
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: sense of benefit to the people who are involved in fighting.

809
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: And yet on our side, I feel like a lot

810
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: of the time it's yeah, you know, go bankrupt, let

811
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: the left destroy you. That's the cost of doing business.

812
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think, I think we need to learn a lesson. Yeah, no,

813
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: that's that's a huge issue, especially when I talk to conservatives.

814
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: You know, I've had more of an opportunity to talk

815
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: to people who are higher up on the food chain here,

816
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: and I constantly hear like, oh, well, why would doesn't

817
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: everyone just stand up and speak the truth? Why don't

818
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: they all just have the courage of their convictions and

819
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: make their voices heard. And it's like, have you been

820
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: out there? Do you understand what happens to people? They

821
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: don't eat, they can't ever get a job again, they

822
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: get destroyed on social media. None of the friends will

823
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: talk to them, And where are you at this moment?

824
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: You're out there defending some guy like Bill Maher who

825
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: hates you, instead of standing behind average people who really

826
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: stand up and really sacrifice something in the fight against

827
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: this kind of ideology that you say everybody really needs

828
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 1: to stand up against. You're absolutely right, the left takes

829
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: care of their own. If you fail on the left,

830
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: you have someone behind you to pick you up, deliver

831
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: you a check, make sure you've got a job. When

832
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: you're on the right, they'll burn you in a minute. Yeah,

833
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: And that's just somehow part of our culture. It's like, yeah,

834
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, you fought the good fight. Now, you know,

835
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: go live in penury, you know what I mean, Like

836
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: you're you're on your own. You're like, wait a second,

837
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: look look at all the Russia collusion lunatics. They're all

838
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: financially better off now because it was a hate against

839
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and against Republicans, and they all have contributorships,

840
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: they get board seats, they get totally taken care of.

841
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's not just ten percent for the big guy.

842
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: There's ten percent for a lot of people. By the way, word,

843
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: how how long have you been with the Blaze? I

844
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: just started here a few months ago, started in November.

845
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: Oh nice, yeah. I mean I remember I started there

846
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven. I was at The Blaze for almost

847
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: six years, and um, I gotta tell you it's it's

848
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: such a cool place. I I first of all, I

849
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: would ask you to please pass along to Glenn that

850
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: I send a hug and I say thank you for

851
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: starting my media career because Glenn Beck did that for me. Um.

852
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: And you know, Glenn created whatever analogy you know people

853
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: like best, but he created the farm team for the

854
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: rest of conservative media back I'm talking when he when

855
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: he just got it started. I mean, now you got

856
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: all these big names there and it's become a big company.

857
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: But he brought people in like I had no media

858
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: experience and never published anything, and the Blaze hired me

859
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: and taught me how to how to do this stuff.

860
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: So I owe a debt of gratitude to all of them.

861
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: How are things How are things going over there these days?

862
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: Like what kind of shows you get to do? And

863
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,479
Speaker 1: just just tell me. I kind of have a little

864
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: nostalgia here for the Blaze, Like what's going on over there?

865
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: No wild because you know, I was just doing this

866
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: at home in my spare time, you know, posting, you know,

867
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: my face wasn't even out there until you know, six

868
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: to eight months ago, and so to go from that

869
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: to being on the blaze has been very wild. You know,

870
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: you come out and meet Glenn Beck and the super

871
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: nice guy, but he kind of had to go ahead

872
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: and do something. And I'm sitting in a green room

873
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I guess someone told Glenn

874
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: that I was a big history guy, and all of

875
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: a sudden he just comes in and he's like, hey,

876
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: you want to go see my history museum. Like he's

877
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: just you know, super nice about it. Showed me all

878
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: this wild stuff that he's collected over the years. It's

879
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: really amazing. Have you had. The best thing is when

880
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: you're hanging with Glenn and he'll be you're talking to

881
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: history with them, He's like, yeah, it's like you remember,

882
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, I remember what was going on, and you

883
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: know it was Breedtaill. It wasn't really Bunker Hill, even

884
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: though people think of it as a Battle of Bunker

885
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: Hill and the whole Paul Reveree thing. Then I'll be like,

886
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: you want to see the stirrups that Paul Revere had

887
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: on his horse that night? And he just kind of

888
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: like whips them out and for you like, oh my god,

889
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: you know he can do that. It's very real. It no,

890
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: that yeah, that was a very real thing. I was like,

891
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: you can't let people touch this stuff, like what are

892
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: you doing? Like this is priceless. He's got quite a

893
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: quite a personal historical collection. It's it's it's pretty amazing.

894
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: Do you guys still have the Forrest Gump bench down there? Yep,

895
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: it's it's in the in the studio down there. Absolutely,

896
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: it's cool. Well look man, a congratulations on that. I

897
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: mean it's a great place to be. Uh, you know,

898
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: and and it was so it's essential now, but it's

899
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: you know, because we need more platforms. I mean, this

900
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: is uh, this is something that conservatives still haven't really

901
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: figured out how to do. I mean we're getting a

902
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: little bit here and there, but it's been you know,

903
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: talk radio, Fox News and then a lot of places

904
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: kind of struggling. You know. The Blaze has really built

905
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: itself into um an institution and a place that can

906
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, has a big role in in I think

907
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: the fight in the culture ahead. So that's very cool.

908
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: So give my regards to the folks, the folks from

909
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: there and dude, I had I had great memories. I

910
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: really enjoyed my time at the Blaze. Oh. What I

911
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: was gonna say though, was it was like Glenn brought together.

912
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: He was like Charles Xavier and they're all these misfits

913
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: that he put together that had some skills. But you know,

914
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: we were we were new and there are people the

915
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: people know now. I was there, Will Kine over Fox

916
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: News was there? Uh you know, he brought in Tommy

917
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: larn early in her career. He brought in um, oh gosh,

918
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I used to see Guy Benson and

919
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: Jedediah Biela and Pete Hegset. Like so many of these

920
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: names ever know now from Fox News got their start

921
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: back in twenty eleven at the Blaze because there just

922
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: weren't that many places. I mean, even you've got your

923
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: podcast now, but you get to go right that you

924
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: can do um all that. I can't even think of

925
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: all the different shows over there now. Steve Dace, how's

926
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: he doing? By the way, Steve's really great? No, he yeah.

927
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: He was actually the first guy on the Blaze to

928
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: have me on, even before you know, I had interacted

929
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: with anyone else over there. And yeah, I've also gotten

930
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: to be on Ali's Stucky's Show, and then Glenn Beck

931
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: and everything. So yeah, no, it's it's an amazing how

932
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: he's done a phenomenal job building building her podcast. Um,

933
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: and you know Steve Day's game respects game. You know,

934
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: he's a high he's a high watched guy too. And

935
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: then just with Glenn, I mean, Glenn is he's you know,

936
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: they're they're people in our business who are really smart

937
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: and good at what they do. And then the people

938
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: who are they're like a talent they have, They're talented

939
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: in a in a performance. You know, I think it's

940
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: true politicians to write their politicians who are good at governance.

941
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: And and then there there's the X factor thing Glen's at.

942
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: Glen's an X factor guy. You know, Glenn has an ability,

943
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: a storytelling and connection ability that I've I mean, I've

944
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: seen other people that have similar skills, but I've never

945
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: seen anybody who has it the way Glenn does. Yeah,

946
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean there's a reason that he still has the

947
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: following he does, right, It's it's pretty impressive and he

948
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: draws all kinds of people when in with it. I

949
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: couldn't believe I was, I was on my way out

950
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: of the studio and then just like Richard Dreyfus shows

951
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: up out of nowhere, like he's just doing a show

952
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: with Glenn that day. You know, it's just it's the

953
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: kind of things that happened. Oh yeah, like random Hollywood

954
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: actors were like, especially if they're a little stealth conservative,

955
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: they'd swing by. And you know, Glenn has he's got

956
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: a lot of friends, a lot of places. It's pretty

957
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: funny anyway, give them my warm regards the rest of

958
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: the team there, Man and Oran. Where can people go

959
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: to check out your podcast and see see your very

960
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: excellent analysis. Oh yeah, no, thanks, They can go of

961
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: course to Oran McIntyre's show is on all your major

962
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: podcast platforms now. I also have the YouTube channel, which

963
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: is kind of where it all started and everything still

964
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: goes up there, and now things are on Blaze TV

965
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: as well. They just actually got everything started with that today.

966
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: So you can go it's any of those platforms and

967
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: catch the show or in Thanks so much for being

968
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: on the Box Sex and Showmam. We'll talk to you soon. Absolutely,

969
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: Thanks for having men