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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? DJ Bucky here back in the studio,

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Speaker 1: ready for a brand new episode and move the sticks.

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Speaker 1: What's up Buck? Everything is good over here. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about today's episode because anytime we got opportunity to talk

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Speaker 1: a philosophical standpoint, what are we looking for at each position?

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Speaker 1: As you have so eloquently outlined it. Knowing what you

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Speaker 1: want to each spot is important. That's how you have

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Speaker 1: to go into draft deck. Yeah, don't go to the

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Speaker 1: grocery store without the grocery list. Know what you want

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Speaker 1: when you go into the draft. And we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a fun discussion on that. Also some sound from Jason Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Uh he. Jason Taylor talked about something we've talked about

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Speaker 1: process us. But I want to get to the different

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Speaker 1: The first thing is always the intangibles, because that guy,

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Speaker 1: to Lamar Jackson, his creativity is just his ability to

430
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Speaker 1: make things happen when it breaks down. He is in,

431
00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, damn world class athlete with the ball in

432
00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,119
Speaker 1: his hands, and then you throw the fact that he

433
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,640
Speaker 1: can make throws on the move and from the pocket.

434
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 1: He's special. Baker Mayfield also has the ability to improvise

435
00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 1: and do some things. I think this is a category

436
00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:17,879
Speaker 1: where you could have like a three headed monster at

437
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,199
Speaker 1: the top. I think any of these guys can walk

438
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,199
Speaker 1: away with a sticker. Here's where I disagree with you.

439
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a foreheaded monster. I think you look

440
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,359
Speaker 1: at Sam Donald creatively what he's done. A lot of

441
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,119
Speaker 1: trademark plays are off schedule plays. I mean, like that

442
00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,639
Speaker 1: all the way down the line. I think that's the

443
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 1: funny thing. And I also think that is a big

444
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 1: selling point in meeting rooms. If you really look at

445
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,960
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks. Tom Brady is kind of the outlier

446
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 1: in terms of like, yeah, he can kill you from

447
00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,159
Speaker 1: the pocket. His creativity is in his subtle movement skills

448
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 1: within the pocket. Aaron Rodger's creativity comes his ability to

449
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 1: make second reaction plays capability. And so you have to

450
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,160
Speaker 1: have those quarterbacks because as much as play calls would

451
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,680
Speaker 1: like the game to be scripted and go according to

452
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 1: the play, and it doesn't, and you need to have

453
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,760
Speaker 1: a quarterback that can erase some of those poor calls.

454
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 1: There are four guys that can do it. I mean,

455
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,200
Speaker 1: I can agree with you. I mean I think you

456
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,679
Speaker 1: can put and it's interestingly that that's the Josh Rosen.

457
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 1: Hang up, is this one particular area because all these

458
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 1: other guys get themselves out of trouble. They're creative and

459
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 1: make things happen. Rosen, when it's taken off the sheet

460
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 1: is good or better than all these guys. But when

461
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: it's off the sheet, I think that's where trails and

462
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 1: and that this is why I would say, and it's

463
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Speaker 1: gonna sound like duh, Josh Rosen would be better on

464
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 1: one of the teams that pick later in the first round.

465
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Speaker 1: You put Josh Rosen on a team he can win big.

466
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 1: He can win big because I think of all of

467
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, he might be the most ready to play

468
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,439
Speaker 1: based on what he brings to the table from the

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00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 1: neck up. However, the lack of creativity could make him

470
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: look uh bad if he's not with the right situation

471
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: terms of the offensive line. Yeah you know, and yeah,

472
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Speaker 1: it's interesting. I mean you to even make a case

473
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Speaker 1: of the teams that are picking high, the one team

474
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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to go to would make the most

475
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: sense because Cleveland actually has a pretty decent offensive line

476
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: collection of talent up front that could support his ability.

477
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: I gotta make a call there on the creativity so

478
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: I will go I'm gonna go with Jackson on that one.

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00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 1: Um again, though, I think any of those four guys

480
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 1: would be good choices. And I think you really can

481
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 1: make a strong case for Josh Allen because we think

482
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Speaker 1: about the checks if we want to check off the boxes,

483
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 1: the things that are like elite qualities for Josh Allen

484
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Speaker 1: that might be his most elite. We think about what

485
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes was able to do a Texas Tech. I

486
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 1: think we could put their highlight reel side by side,

487
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,479
Speaker 1: and I think they could go throw for throw when

488
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: it comes to being impromptu off platform, inside, outside the pocket,

489
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 1: rolling to either side. Both of those guys certainly deserve

490
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Speaker 1: to be in the could be in that conversation, all right.

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Speaker 1: The next one durability, I mean this, there's I mean really,

492
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Speaker 1: I think those guys, all those guys played Allan got

493
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: picked up this year and missed a couple of games.

494
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: The guys that you could eliminate would be Roses Allen,

495
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: but Jackson, Donald Mayfield. I think all those guys started

496
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 1: every game and finished every game. Yeah, I don't think

497
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: Jackson's missed any time. I have to go through and

498
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: look at that he did not play against Syracuse and

499
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: UM and then Virginia the next game. Did not look

500
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,959
Speaker 1: like he had stats there, so I have to go

501
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: back and double check that. I probably should have done

502
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 1: that at time, but that that's the one that I

503
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: would say he maybe missed two games in three years,

504
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: maybe um again, but Mayfield hasn't missed any Sam Donald

505
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: hasn't missed any games, um um. And I think the

506
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: durability is it's not your inability to get hurt, but

507
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: it's your ability to play through any bumps and bruises

508
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: in anything that you sustained along the way. Um Eli.

509
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: Manning the franchise quarterbacks Drew Brees, Tom Brady, the best

510
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: thing that they do outside of what they bring to

511
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 1: the table, you know every Sunday they're going to be

512
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: in the lineup, and they gives you a chance to win.

513
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: I think you put multiple people there. I'm gonna put

514
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: Donald slightly over Mayfield just kid's got a bigger frame,

515
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,479
Speaker 1: even though they both been very durable. I'll give him

516
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of a nudge there because he's just

517
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: a bigger dude. Athletic ability. I mean, this is Lamar Jackson.

518
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what we need to really go on

519
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 1: to that one. I'm excited to see what he ruins.

520
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: I think he made really something ridiculous. Um. How about release,

521
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: let's see to me, it's down to two. I with

522
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen has a textbook release, and I think Lamar

523
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: Jackson went just a quick quick I'm surprised I thought

524
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: Josh Allen would be in that category in terms of

525
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: Josh Allen has a good release too, but I just

526
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: think in terms of how quick it is, I would

527
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: say I think I would put Rosen has the cleanest stroke,

528
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: the only one. Donald would be lagging behind the other

529
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 1: four in this one just with the release. Even though

530
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: it's quick, it's long. So I'm gonna go with Rosen

531
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: on that one. How about pocket awareness? Pocket awareness? Um,

532
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: I think Mayfield is really really good at understanding how

533
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: to find passing links in the pocket when it breaks

534
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: down and went to escape when just hanging there. Um.

535
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: I like his maneuverability. I won't necessarily call him Russell

536
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,239
Speaker 1: Wilson because he doesn't have that Lettics athleticism, but I

537
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: can't see hints of the Drew Brees thing, the matures.

538
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: I go with Mayfield and that, Yeah, I think Donald,

539
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: that's an area just in terms of ball security inside

540
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: the pocket. He's got to improve that. Um so I

541
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: would I would lean towards Mayfield in this one. Um.

542
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: Josh Allen can definitely, um get himself out of some

543
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: trouble when he's in there, but just you can still

544
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: get improve I'm working and sliding inside the pocket. Um,

545
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: Lamar is underrated I think in this area with pocket awareness,

546
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: definitely improvement from last year this year with him. Think

547
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: so I go Mayfield, I go Mayfield. Pocket awareness alright.

548
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: Last one in these quarterback traits here, clutch, we can

549
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: go to the clutch factor. I'm go go ahead, Sam Donald. Um,

550
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: we talked about too many drills game winning drives. I'm

551
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: a big believer in that. I'm big believing this that

552
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: whenever I go to Pro Football Reference, UM looking to

553
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: see fourth quarter comebacks, game winning drives, because ultimately, that

554
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 1: is what the franchise quarterback is expected to do. If

555
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: we get you the ball back with two minutes left

556
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: and an opportunity to win the game, close out the game.

557
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: Elite quarterbacks are able to do that. Sam Donald has

558
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: enough evidence of showing that. We saw it again the

559
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl a season ago. We saw it against Texas.

560
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: We've seen it numerous times throughout the course of the season,

561
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,479
Speaker 1: being able to bring his team back when they were

562
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: teetering on to bring Sam. Donald to me, is the

563
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: most clutch quarterback in this draft class, alright. So just

564
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: based off of those traits here, tally up your score.

565
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: Did you write your guys down over there? Who you

566
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: went with? I'll give you mine. So I ended up

567
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: having I had Donald with five wins in those categories.

568
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: I had Mayfield with three wins and those categories Jackson

569
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: and Rosen I had to apiece and then Alan had one.

570
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: But that's how I just in terms of going through

571
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: these and again a lot of the several these are

572
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, pick him. I think several of the guys

573
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: are excellent in these categories. But just doing a tiebreaker,

574
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: I ended up with and Darna, look that's I have.

575
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: Donald is my my top guy. So I had him

576
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: with with the most of those factors. It's funny because

577
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: us the dude who I have at the top, he

578
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: didn't have the least. Yes, three, It's weird to see

579
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: this one two Donald his three may one two, three

580
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: and a half. He threw a half on him, he

581
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: split the vote. He splits up here. He has three

582
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: jackson one, two, three four for like all the Jackson's

583
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: are like creativity, there's the Rose and his two. Um,

584
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: I think the big thing is like three and a

585
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: half for it. I have them all kind of lumped

586
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: together group. It's a very very tight group. And I

587
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: think that's really what we've talked about. And I think

588
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: if you didn't even further break it down amongst the categories,

589
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: the team that's picking in the play caller, depending on

590
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: what they emphasize, are they is the emphasis actually poise

591
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: playing in the pocket will certain guys are going to

592
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: rank in a certain way if their thing is on

593
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: creativity and athleticism. Other guys were rank to the top.

594
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: It is really, as you say down at the bottom

595
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: when we talk about the category that is coming up.

596
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: You got to know what you want. You have to

597
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: know what you want long term in franchise quarterback, and

598
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: that is going to be the determining factor when we

599
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: shake all these guys out at the end of the draft. Alright,

600
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: real quick, before we now go to sorting out some

601
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: of these positions here in terms of what we're looking

602
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: for I want to just give a couple of thoughts,

603
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: and we're talking about quarterbacks. We mentioned leadership up above.

604
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this and and some things

605
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: I've come across lately, and it I just want to

606
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: get this out here real quick and just get your

607
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: thoughts on it. I was thinking about great leaders and

608
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: some of the things that they have in common. I

609
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: wrote down a couple of things here, like, you gotta

610
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: be you gotta have some humility to be a great leader.

611
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: I think you have to be able to say it's

612
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: about others. It's not about myself, it's about serving serving others.

613
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 1: So humility and service I thought were two big components

614
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: for great leaders. I don't think you can ever learn

615
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: if you lack humility, because you already think you've got everything.

616
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: So I think there's something to be said for always

617
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: trying to evolve and grow as a as a as

618
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: a player, as a worker. Is at lead all those

619
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: areas and not beating your chest and saying you've already

620
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: arrived there. The other thing I wrote down was I

621
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: love emotion. Emotions important. I always talk about bringing energy.

622
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: I get that, but to me, devotion over emotion, the work,

623
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: the work over the talk. Absolutely, um. Both of those

624
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: things are critical. And there are two things that we

625
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: talked about on a lead of Love and tour all

626
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: the time. Servant leadership is a big thing. Can you

627
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: do more for others than you ask them to do

628
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: for you? Are you willing to take a backseat to

629
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: help other guys elevate themselves? That is the mark of

630
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: a true leader. Then when it comes to the emotion, uh,

631
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: devotion over emotion, we always talk about are you willing

632
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: to do the lonely work, the dirty work when no

633
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: one said, are you willing to go into the film room?

634
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: Are you willing to go into the open field and

635
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: work on your drops when no one is there watching you.

636
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: You're not making an I G video, You're just working.

637
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: The best guys at the position are the ones that

638
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: work the hardest when no one is watching having an

639
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to watch. Look Tom versus time on Facebook. Tom

640
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: Brady is the standard and Rodgers both those guys understanding.

641
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: But when you look at Tom Brady and you see

642
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: how much he is willing to put in to be

643
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the game, it says a lot.

644
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: From eating to the workouts to the film study to

645
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: get along with his teammates. He goes above and beyond

646
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: and the great ones all have that common trait. And

647
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: so you're right, humility servant leader. You have to have

648
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: those guys. You've got to be devoted to being the

649
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: best at your craft and maximizing your opportunity to put Yeah,

650
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that, Buck. That's great stuff. You

651
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: guys doing that on the Only eleven tour as well.

652
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: I just something that was going through my mind. Want

653
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: to get that out alright. Sorting through players in the

654
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: year two thousand eighteen is different than it was when

655
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: we started on the scouting trail back in the day. Um,

656
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: I think now you have to look at wide receivers.

657
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: That's how I got to this discussion. I was watching

658
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: some wide receivers and I'm trying to sort them, and

659
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm watching them like, Okay, if i got six ft four,

660
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, four or five five, and then I've got

661
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: five of eleven, who's gonna play in the slots? Add

662
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: pounds as this set and the other. I thought, you

663
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: know what, not all teams are gonna see these guys

664
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: in similar fashion. You have to know what you want,

665
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: what do you have on your roster, what do you need?

666
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: And so just kind of different categories for these wide receivers.

667
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think you really need to

668
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: blend those guys in together. Just say these are the

669
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: best big guys. Here's the best guys who I think

670
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: are the number two pile of wide receivers. There's the

671
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: best group of slot receivers. So if you win the

672
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: market for returners, do you want to find a combination

673
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: slot returner. You gotta know exactly what you're shopping for.

674
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: It's funny that you are having this conversation. Uh. I

675
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: had opportunity over the weekend to spend time with Terry

676
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: Bridgewater and jobbers Landry. They came to a camp that

677
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: I was working, the Nike opening a Leade of eleven camp,

678
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: and we talked about the league as a league full

679
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: of specialists and what you're trying to do when you're

680
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: building a team. As a personnel guy, you want to

681
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: give your people enough tools to be able to reach

682
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: into the toolbox and and have whatever they need to

683
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: be successful. As an offense where defensive coordinator, it is

684
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: about understanding what everybody does well and putting them in

685
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: a position to do that special skill. So now as

686
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: we break up these categories, particularly at wide receiver, we've

687
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: talked about your wide receiver room should look like a

688
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: basketball team. Got some big, got some little, got some

689
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: quick guys, got some shooters. Got some guys that can

690
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: do a bunch of different skills, and then a great

691
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator can find a way to blend it in

692
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: and put it in the pot and make it like

693
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: Gumball red zone guys. I'm on big tall, I'm want

694
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: eli specialist guys that can box out and make it happen.

695
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: Those number one and number two receivers, they're different. Number

696
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,239
Speaker 1: one is a guy that can pretty much do at

697
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: all I think the outside, he can go into slot,

698
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: he can make it happen down the field, but he

699
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: also excels at being able to really pick up first downs.

700
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: The number two guy is a complimented guy that plays

701
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: on the back side. He has one special trait that

702
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: allows him to complement the number one that maybe he's

703
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: the vertical guy and all he does is run the

704
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: vertical routes and the comeback. He may be the chain mover,

705
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: the guy that does the dirty work in the middle

706
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: of the field, but the number two guy is someone

707
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: who has just a very specified role and skill set

708
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: that allows them be successful. You get to like cornerbacks

709
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: to me, and you look at different type guys. You

710
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: want an outside guy, you want an inside guy. Now

711
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: we have a lot of guys that are combo guys

712
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: their free safety, but can also be your big nickel.

713
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: So knowing exactly what you're looking for in that position

714
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: as well. Again, there's those Julio Jones that does everything.

715
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: There's Jalen Ramsey that does everything. There's one or two

716
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: of those guys in every draft that's it. So the

717
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: rest of them, you gotta know exactly what you're looking for.

718
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: The cornerback position is another example there. In linebacker is

719
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: a position where we've talked about what you could be

720
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: looking for there as well, the thumper and the floater

721
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: meaning linebacker. The thumper is a guy that can play

722
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: in the middle. He can take on he's the really

723
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: physical presence. To float is the guy that is to

724
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: run and chase the sideline, the sideline guy, as we

725
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: used to call it back in the old days. At

726
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: corner and I'm gonna go back to the the corner corner.

727
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: The reason you have to have cornerbacks that are kind

728
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: of varied in what their skill set are is because

729
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: we just talked about all the different guys and you

730
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: got to go up against so you have to match

731
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: up big corners, and the way we were for his

732
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: big when I was in Seattle, we talked about five

733
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: ten high. I'm gonna say big corners to me or

734
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: anybody over six ft because finding a six ft corner

735
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: to me is a special quality that means they can

736
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: not only line up with the big wide receivers, but

737
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: some games you can match them up on the tight

738
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: end outside versus inside and outside cornerback. To me, the

739
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: difference between him playing the slot footwork needs to be clean.

740
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: He needs to be able to play press and off. Um.

741
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: He might not be as agile or as quick because

742
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: in the slot, the slot should be your best cornerback

743
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: because the demands on here everything dealing with the two

744
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: way goals, being able to be a factor in the

745
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: run game. It's a special player that plays Nickel, and

746
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: Nickel used to be downgraded like, hey, we're just gonna

747
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: take any little guy and make Nickel, No, you're more

748
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: your most polished guy should go in the nickel because

749
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: it's the challenge of dealing with the Edlman's and all

750
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: the other guys they playing the slot, and then that

751
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: hyperd position, the free safety nickel, that is the new

752
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: growing position. Guys that could play safety but then drop

753
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: down to the nickel. That is the way that should be.

754
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: And it goes all the way back to when I

755
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: was in Seattle. Dick Roaches a long time defensive back coach,

756
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: and he said back in the day, Sean Springs will

757
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: be the ideal safety because Shawn Springs at the time

758
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: was two six to two ten, two long arms, could

759
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: play obviously in space, but also could drop down. That's

760
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: what we're looking for. That guy needs to be a decatholice,

761
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: to be able to do everything, to be a special

762
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: player at the position. All Right, the talked about linebackers,

763
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: thumbers and floaters, gonna get to the defensive ends. How

764
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 1: you're looking at different guys kind of a base center

765
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: a Russian. But on the topic of defensive and I

766
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: want to run some sound real quick because I thought

767
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: Jason Taylor nailed something that we've been talking about on

768
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: the pod for a long time, and it's not we're

769
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: not talking baseball, but in football you do need a

770
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: closer defensive standpoint. Who is a team that is maybe

771
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: that one guy away. Well, I know people don't want

772
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: to hear this about this football team because they're not

773
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: really very far away because they were there. But I'm

774
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: gonna say the New England Patriots, I know they're with

775
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: me here. They're missing that Bill cow pass rusher, that

776
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: they're really missing that guy that's after you one third

777
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: down and and change a football game. And as they've

778
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: been talking about, they miss a closer. So Buck he

779
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: talked about they were talking about the New England Patriots

780
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: referencing them what they were missing and have somebody to

781
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: close out of game. That to me, we're talking about

782
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: defensive ends like a base and you're gonna be a

783
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: left and you're gonna be able to force the run

784
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: versus somebody that can get home as a pass rusher.

785
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: Jason Taylor talked about the importance having somebody that can

786
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: close out a game with a pass rush. You have

787
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: to be able to close out the game. And I

788
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: think it's very important that you build your team not

789
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: only for your division, but for the environment and conditions

790
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: that you play in. We talked about Atlanta and what

791
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: they were able to do with Tach McKinley Vic Beasley.

792
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: They wanted guys who can hunt the pass it because

793
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: their team was typically going to play from ahead. When

794
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: you're a team that has a prolific offense, is really

795
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: important that you put a premium on pass rushers. We

796
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: saw the years ago with the Indianapolis Coast Robert mathis

797
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: to a freeny that closer. That closer has to be

798
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: able to shut the game down when they know the

799
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: other team is an obvious past situation. They can get

800
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: that wide nonstands to come around the edge. You have

801
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: to be able to find those guys. They're hard to find,

802
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: but if you can find one, it makes the difference.

803
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: And again, those guys are in different piles, and you're

804
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: in the draft room looking up at that board, got

805
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: kind of your base in your Russian, same same technically position.

806
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: Two different dudes, two completely different dudes, and they deserve

807
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: to be paid accordingly. Because the closer is far more

808
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: important than the stuff to run guy. You've gotta be

809
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: able to knock the quarterback down to the premium um

810
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: that position and the last one to kind of go

811
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: full circle from where we started on the pod today.

812
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: The quarterback position conventional versus new school, and it's kind

813
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: of self explanatory there. You gotta know, Okay, can we

814
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: commit to doing this a new way? If we can,

815
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: it opens up a whole new group of options here

816
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: at the position. I do, and I believe the game

817
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: is going to continue trailer there, because when you see

818
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: guys like Nick Foles that can have success run the

819
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: r p O s and some of the things that

820
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: are doing on the collegiate level, in the high school level,

821
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: you're going to see more offensive coordinators kind of follow suit.

822
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's get rolling here. That's the

823
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: that's just our focus on know what you want before

824
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: you go into the draft froom. That's our advice to

825
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: the folks out there of the thirty two teams getting

826
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: ready to get ready for April draft. One little surprise.

827
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: You don't even know if we even tease us. At

828
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: the top of the show, Buck, we got a special

829
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: guest that's gonna join us, one of the best defensive

830
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: players in the entire draft class. That's Washington's vide Via. Alright,

831
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: very special guests here for us today. Buck, we got Vivia,

832
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: big time defensive tackle from the University of Washington. Join us.

833
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: How you doing, man, I'm doing good. How you guys doing? Yeah?

834
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: How's the training going? How has everything been in this

835
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: process for you? The process itself has been, you know,

836
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: really amazing. Um, it's really enjoyable. You know. I meant

837
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 1: a lot of good guys here, the staff from here,

838
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're really helpful in the in the

839
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: training and getting us through this process. It's it's it's

840
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: fun overall. I gotta get to the question. I mean,

841
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: Bucky been dyning o because I've seen you play live

842
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: a couple of times. You mean, and Bucky were to

843
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: oather at your bowl game, the Fiesta Bowl, and we

844
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: kept talking about the same play over and over and

845
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: over again, which was you covering a punt and making

846
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: a tackle on punt. So I need to know two things.

847
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: I've seen you block punt as well? Did they What

848
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: was your reaction when they asked you to be on

849
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: special teams? Did you ask to be on special teams?

850
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: How the heck is a man your size doing this

851
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: much work on special teams? Um? So you know, Coach

852
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: p always talks about it, and uh, he tells us that, um,

853
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: you don't you don't come. You don't come to the

854
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: University of Washington to play, Um on shield punt. You're

855
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: going to play as a defense tackle. So that's your

856
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: gift to the team. And like your your job to

857
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: your teammates too. So going out there and you know,

858
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: making plays and whatever I can do to help about

859
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: my team. And you know, as what as what makes

860
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: me happy? You know, I've seen the opportunity come on

861
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: on punting and he was running towards me like this

862
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: my moment I can't miss. But one thing there was

863
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: your moment. Obviously in high school. I don't know if

864
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: people notice you may have run the ball a little

865
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: bit as a big time, big body running back. Well

866
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: in the ball game, you got an opportunity to face

867
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: against one of the best running backs in college football

868
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: in state Kwan Barkley. Talk about that experience. What do

869
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: you learn from it going against the top of running

870
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: back like Barkley, You know, it was it was a

871
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: good experience. You know, he's a good running back. He's

872
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: really you know, he's really shifting and really fast, you

873
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: know it. And they packed over where we normally meet

874
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: the guys in the hole and get and get a

875
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: tackle for loss. But you know, the Stan was able to,

876
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: you know, buy some time with his feet and get

877
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: out of get out of the ball and get a

878
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: game some extra yards. You know it was it was

879
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: a good experience, Um, trying to adapt throughout the game

880
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: and you know, trying to figure out ways to bring

881
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: it down and stop them getting all those yards. Well,

882
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: he's a bad dude, and uh, and you're a bad

883
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: dude yourself. One of the top players in this draft

884
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: class comparison wise, I know, Bucky, you've compared him to

885
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: Po to Don Terry Pole, I've compared you to Helloi. Na,

886
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: I've been around a little bit. How about you yourself,

887
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: if you if you had to compare yourself to one

888
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: player at the next level, maybe somebody you idolize growing up,

889
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: or some of you paid attention to. Um, someone I

890
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: really paying attention to was he used to play for

891
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: the point and is back in the day and being

892
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: me being a Bay Area kid, I watched a lot

893
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: of Justine Smith and uh, you know that guy he

894
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: used used a lot of power moves and stuff, and uh,

895
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: it was kind of hard for offensive linemen to to

896
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: move him off the ball. So um, you know, even

897
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: even throughout the high school, I try to copy some

898
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: of his moves. Um, you know, I I when I

899
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: got to Washington, I learned a lot from Danny Sutton. Uh,

900
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: being that you know, we're kind of similar in science,

901
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: so uh, I try to you know, mimic some of

902
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: his pastors loses. You know, he was he was a

903
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: great pass rush. I learned a life members as well.

904
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking about that comparison with Danny Shelton.

905
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: You talked about being able to learn from him. He

906
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: obviously was the first round pick. If we had to

907
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: do a tell of the tape, what are some of

908
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: the things that you would say that you are better

909
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: at than Danny Shelton was during this time at you

910
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: come on, you don't have to be humble. Do'll be shy,

911
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: He'll be shy. You can you can just just you

912
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: all know what they are. We just want to hear

913
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: you say it, just as he will never even know.

914
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: Um see um, it's kind of it's kind of hard

915
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: to say, you know, something something I looked up to

916
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: going there. But you know, i'd say quickness and uh,

917
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, being able to run run guys down, even

918
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: though Danny was able to run guys down to as well. Um,

919
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, I feel I feel like there's like a

920
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: lot of similarities between us. Uh. You know, I'm taller,

921
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: so I kind of I have there. How about this one?

922
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: How about this one? Danny Danny ran, and I love Danny.

923
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: Danny is a top ten player. Uh, but Danny ran,

924
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: I think five five coming out. Yeah, that's that's what

925
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: I'm getting at right there. You aren't running five five

926
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: when we get to Indianapolis. But don't be honest with me. Uh,

927
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. I don't know. I think I

928
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: had Daniel speed. So you know that's that's one thing.

929
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: You see that TV behind you? You got that nice

930
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: TV monitor behind you. I don't know if it's a

931
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: competing TV. I'd be willing to bet you about ten

932
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: of those that you don't run five five when we

933
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: get to when we get to I'm pretty sure of it. Um.

934
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: During your time at you know, we're doing your time

935
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: playing football throughout your career, your lifetime. What has been

936
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: your biggest highlight, my biggest highlight throughout my whole life,

937
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: entire time, whole life. Anything could be on the field

938
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: or off the field. Just your greatest highlight, great's highlight,

939
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: it would be that's that's that's that's a that's a

940
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: hard one because you know, there's there's a lot off

941
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: the top of the head if I were to choose. Um.

942
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: I went study abroad for my for my major, and

943
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: we went to the French Polynesia to learn about the

944
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: culture and uh, you know, to learn more about their

945
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: people and how they live off the land, and you know,

946
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: it was a great experience. We we actually lived with

947
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: the people um our time there, so you know, it

948
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: was a great experience for me, and seeing how people

949
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: still are able to live without technology and uh you

950
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: know they're still farm and grow their own food. So

951
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of shocked for me to see,

952
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: like to see all that coming from you know, the

953
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: US and going over there, it's kind of like taking

954
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: a step back in time. So it was really cool

955
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: to see and um, you know, still seeing those people

956
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: like with smiles under you know, having a good time.

957
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: So I say, that's that's up there. I'm not sure

958
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: if that's a great one. Man. I thought I thought

959
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: you were gonna say, you know, we beat Colorado and

960
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: the Pact twelve Championship or something boring like that. Now

961
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: we're in French Polynesia learning about living off the land.

962
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about right there. All right, how

963
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: about next one? We we do these three questions with

964
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: everybody that comes on, all the players. So we did

965
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: the highlight. How about the greatest hardship you've had to

966
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: overcome in your life, could be on the field, off

967
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: the field. Just a great hardship you've overcome. Um, a

968
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: great hardship. Um, a great hardship that I face. You know,

969
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: when I was when I was younger, Um, you know,

970
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: we gotta as kids. I was in the fourth grade.

971
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: I think we had gotten evicted from our house, and uh,

972
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, my dad just got diagnosed with diabetes. My

973
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: brother is only two or three years older. Are he

974
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: was in sixth grade. I was in fourth grade. My

975
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: sister was away in college, and my mom was working

976
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: every day, three or four different jobs. So, um, you know,

977
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: being evicted, being kids, like, we didn't understand anything. So UM,

978
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: me and my brother had taken a part of ourselves too.

979
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: You know, pack everything, you know, step into that man

980
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: and I grow fast. I feel like that was a

981
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: good part not that was one of the Yeah, very powerful.

982
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: So who is your hero hero? I'd say God. You

983
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: know I'm a man of faith. Um, so I just

984
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: say God, If he's my hero, that's that's great stuff. Man.

985
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: Hey have you know we know you've got a lot

986
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: going on training getting ready for the combine. We're both

987
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: gonna be out Indianapolis. We look forward to seeing you there. Uh.

988
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: Fun player to watch and I'll tell you what, I

989
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: haven't had more fun talking with you than I did

990
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: watching this year. Right. Best of luck in Indianapolis and

991
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: through the rest of your journey. Appreciate it. Hey Buck.

992
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of guys that rolled through here

993
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: in studio and then we had one there with Skype

994
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: with Vi to Van, one of my one of the

995
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: all time favorites there to talk to. Great interview, a

996
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: lot of perspective, a lot of depth to him. I

997
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: think when you're a team, you're looking for guys that

998
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: are really complete, really about it. I think he's certainly

999
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: about the devotion over emotion in terms of his leadership

1000
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: style and what he wants to do. I'm a big

1001
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: fan of him as a player and like him even

1002
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: more after getting a chance to visit with him, one

1003
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: of the best players in the draft. I gotta tell

1004
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: you guys, thank you so much. Lately. I've seen a

1005
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: bunch of those reviews and uh and ratings there on

1006
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, which has been great. We're climbing up those

1007
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: churchs each and every week, Buck as we get closer

1008
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: to the draft to Move the six pod us is

1009
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: kind of everybody's place to go. Come to us. We

1010
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: have a lot of cool projects on Oh that's good stuff.

1011
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: Cost some good stuff coming, so make sure you pay attention.

1012
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: We got all your draft stuff, draft info, what Devin

1013
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: free agency. But right now it's the time we're talking

1014
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: about the draft extensively on the Moves Sticks podcast. Yeah,

1015
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: we got you covered here. Tell friend to us do

1016
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: us a solid there. We appreciate you guys listening. We'll

1017
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: be back again here in a couple of days with

1018
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,959
Speaker 1: more draft goodness coming your way. Here and Moved the Sticks.

1019
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,240
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1020
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