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Speaker 1: Here we are Augusta National, Augusta, Georgia, home of Augusta National,

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Speaker 1: Laird Shepherd, British Amateur champion of is here. Jeff Ogilvy

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Speaker 1: Romo and where you've got to if you do have

428
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Speaker 1: a deep understanding I think of architecture and strategy and

429
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Speaker 1: the old, great old courses, I think you have a

430
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Speaker 1: better mind for accepting the way, the right way to

431
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Speaker 1: play that or something I mean I think to these

432
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Speaker 1: days is you just hit it as far as you

433
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Speaker 1: can between the rough and then you just find out

434
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Speaker 1: where the pin is and find out what clubb and

435
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: you just hit straight out of here. It's like, well,

436
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Speaker 1: you can do that if you're on. But there's a

437
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: better way, you know, in the line of charm is

438
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: not necessarily straight at the whole, and there there's a

439
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: way around this way you can you'll you'll never make

440
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Speaker 1: double bogies. You'll you'll always have more chance to make

441
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: birdies from these areas in the fair way you can

442
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: miss the second as long as you always missed to

443
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Speaker 1: the right of the pin on the second, and stuff

444
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Speaker 1: like that. You can get up down if you're left

445
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Speaker 1: of it, you'll never get up and down little things.

446
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: I think if you've got that understanding of architecture and

447
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: how why the old course works how it does, and

448
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: all the great courses, I think you can see a

449
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: few more of those things a little bit easier. But

450
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Speaker 1: as a general rule, I would have said it was

451
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Speaker 1: to to my detriment around average golf course especial that's

452
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Speaker 1: I was wondering. Well, as you said, Larri's probably already

453
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: been bombarded with advice on how to do that, and

454
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Speaker 1: do this and do that. But do you have any

455
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: little nuggets you've squirreled away that may be less obvious

456
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Speaker 1: that you could impart to a rookie. No, I think

457
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Speaker 1: really like kind of what I was saying before. So

458
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Speaker 1: you've got to you've got to find a way to

459
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Speaker 1: swing it with no fear. These are shots that you

460
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Speaker 1: never you just do not have a shot in professional

461
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Speaker 1: golf like this. Can shot on ten for example, ball

462
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: above your feet, extreme downslope to a target the slope. Seriously,

463
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get me hit a five line off a

464
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Speaker 1: downs up to that, Like, um, these are swings. These

465
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Speaker 1: are scary swings. I mean, we don't have we don't

466
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Speaker 1: make swings like this ever. Really with the consequence if

467
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Speaker 1: I've a miss, you know they the miss here is

468
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: so punished. If you're missing in the wrong spot, you're

469
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Speaker 1: not just making boggy. If you miss it left on Dan,

470
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: you're making double Like have fun with that. And you've

471
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Speaker 1: got a shot that everything suggests you're going to hit

472
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Speaker 1: it low right or long left, Like how do you

473
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Speaker 1: do that? So you the only way you can hit

474
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Speaker 1: a good shot is to be free and to sort

475
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Speaker 1: of be cavalier a little bit like a bit like

476
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: DJ where a little go wherever it goes. And that's

477
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: the only way you actually can hit a good shot.

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Speaker 1: So that the look you'll find all the infinite little

479
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Speaker 1: bits of strategy and stuff and the good spots to

480
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Speaker 1: hit on the holes and the bad spots hit on

481
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Speaker 1: the holes. And like I said, you want to be

482
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Speaker 1: right of the pin on two usually and like do

483
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Speaker 1: you want to go for the third green most of

484
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Speaker 1: the time, but then there certain pins you want to

485
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: lay it up on top of the hill and you'll

486
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: learn all stuff along the way. That's just golf, and

487
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: that's your caddy and watching everyone else player you learn that.

488
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Speaker 1: But as if, you've got to find a way to

489
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Speaker 1: be able to put brave swings on it. You know

490
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Speaker 1: what I mean? That that nervous is water on the rise.

491
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Speaker 1: Whatever it is that this seventeenth makes it a nervous

492
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Speaker 1: swing on it, right, Their swings out here all day

493
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Speaker 1: like that, where the only way to hear a good

494
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: shot is to be free and loose. But everything, every

495
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Speaker 1: part of your instinct is certainly not to be you know,

496
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Speaker 1: so you've got to fight that and find a way

497
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Speaker 1: to just be free and loosen. If you play well,

498
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: you play well. You look at the guys who win here, Tiger,

499
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: Phil Baba, these guys they play loose, you know, they

500
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: just attack the course and if it's there from that week,

501
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,479
Speaker 1: they win. If it's not, well, I'll win next year.

502
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: You know. That's really you can't hang onto this like

503
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: you can hang on a US Open or Open championship

504
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: and just grind it out. It's not it's not about that.

505
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: It's about you have to keep going. You have to

506
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: keep because it's like twelve twelves the bravest swing wherever

507
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Speaker 1: asked to put on it, Like it's a it's it's

508
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: an easy shots. So that's an easier shot than six,

509
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: but the consequence forms is so massive you've got to

510
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: go hit it over the water again, you know. No,

511
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: that's the hardest wage shot. That the hardest wage shot

512
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: at Augusta is that drop on twelve by a long way.

513
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: And you know that before you hit your tastes shot.

514
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: So it's it's a night on to like we don't

515
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Speaker 1: miss that ever, but you do if you're worried about

516
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: missing it, you know. So that's really the key is

517
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: to find a way to be loose, you know. I

518
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: mean all that stuff interesting me a lot, Like how

519
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: do you does your body feel different this week than

520
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 1: any other tournament? And how do you kind of conquer that?

521
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's hard. It's hard to trick yourself

522
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: when you've got fifty fans and you've got all the

523
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: pageantry of the Masters, Like how do you get to

524
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: that police where you can just let it go? It's

525
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: not it isn't easy to do. And look, it's it's

526
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: very easy to say, and it's very hard to do.

527
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, you just get trying to have fun. Yeah,

528
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: it's the same old advice just have a good time,

529
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: like enjoy yourself. And it's true, like if you just

530
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Speaker 1: you have a good time, you generally do it well.

531
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: You know. And what's the worst that can happen? You know,

532
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: you missed the cut, but you've played the Masters. You

533
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: know you'll be back, Like what's what's what's the worst

534
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: that can happen? You know, you make about you here,

535
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: You make about you that you're still playing the Masters,

536
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: you know. So it's very hard to do that in reality.

537
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: But the reward for playing like that is it's the

538
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: only way you can play well here. So you've got

539
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: to find a way, you know, to be comfortable and

540
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: comfortable around. Of course that it's job, and what it's

541
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: really good at is making you uncomfortable. You know. You

542
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: played today with Corey Connor's Mike Weir. Obviously value in

543
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: playing with the past champion? What did you learn from

544
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: them today just by watching or talking? And then what

545
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: what would you ask you know, Jeff sitting here with him,

546
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: a guy has played it a much, you know, Um,

547
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: so playing with Mike and Corey and Mark. It was

548
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: no surprises in terms of the strategy on each hole. UM.

549
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: I think that I think part shounds are difficult because

550
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: then you're not you're not really playing to pin on

551
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: the green. So UM that that determines on some holes

552
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: quite a lot of what what you're doing. UM. In

553
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: terms of around the greens, watching Mike especially obviously he's

554
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: been here a lot, so he knows, he knows what

555
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: he's doing is one UM watching him how he plays

556
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: the shots, Um, it was interesting. Um for example goes

557
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: back to like what what what what Jeff say? As

558
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: well in terms of even the shots around the greens,

559
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: there's shots you'll never really have a lot apart from

560
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: this week, I assume on tour of him. I'm not

561
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: I've not been on tour, but you know, just the

562
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: chip from the back of fifteen back towards the water,

563
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: for example, Mike was hitting one to to a left

564
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: pen and he's flying it onto the green and for me,

565
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you've not got a lot of space and

566
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: the greens of firm and he's just he's flying it

567
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: straight on the green, no no worries and the only

568
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: way you can hit that shot is if you're not

569
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: bothered about whether you hit it, you missing it, you

570
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: hit it in the water. You know that definitely you

571
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: can can see that, you know, with the longer shots

572
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: you have, but also around the greens, um, you know.

573
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: I find it interesting actually at the short game area today,

574
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: you don't see a lot of guys practicing shots that.

575
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: In my mind, you're going to have a lot of

576
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: which is a lot of times you are going to

577
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: be bumping it and then it really so onto the

578
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: green in some situations. But no one didn't see one

579
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Speaker 1: person hit hit shot the land in the fringe and roll,

580
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: you know. Um. At the same time, you know you're

581
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: going to get those two or three shots each day

582
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: where you're just gonna have to stop up there and

583
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: just hit a good golf shot. And I think on

584
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Speaker 1: a normal, normal golf course there might be one or

585
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: two times we have to do that. And to be fair,

586
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: you could probably get away with not hitting a shot

587
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: like that if you if you sort of work your

588
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: way around the golf course. Well, but there's literally there's

589
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: no escaping, like you have to play the fifteen toll.

590
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's some stage you're gonna have to get

591
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: across that pond, so you know, you might as well

592
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: do it with the second shot. Like that's but that's crazy,

593
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: that's literally I mean for me, you know, that's that's

594
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: not nuanced at all. And in that respect, like you

595
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: don't want you know, just get over the water as

596
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: soon as possible in fifteen um, because you don't want

597
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: that wed shot in UM. So you know, it's definitely

598
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, it can definitely see that that you've just

599
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: got to stand up there and hit a golf shot,

600
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, and not you know, no point worrying about

601
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: what could happen because if you hit a bad shot,

602
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: it's going to be pushed, so you can't worry about

603
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: doing it. You know, you can't hit a bad shot

604
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: and get away with it sometimes. So UM. But in

605
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: terms of you know, the more nitty gritty of stuff

606
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: that you learned, I think you learn that more from

607
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: just watching. Um. It's very hard as a rookie to

608
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: go and ask a good question because you don't know

609
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: what you want to hear, you know what I mean,

610
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Speaker 1: So you just you just watching and try and absorb

611
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: as much as possible. But at the same time, I

612
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: think you've got to make your own mistakes, but also

613
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: not you can't rely on on good advice. You know,

614
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: You've got to be able to try and work it

615
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: out for yourself because under the gun, you know, am

616
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: I going to trust what Mike told me three days ago?

617
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: Or am I going to trust what I feel like

618
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: I need to do? And I think you've also got

619
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: to have some mix of that. I think, um, you've

620
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: got to trust your instinct. So yeah, I love all

621
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: the golf talk, but I'm curious if you had any

622
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: like starstruck moments or has there been anything that stood

623
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: out away from the preparation. Maybe it's amateur dinner. We

624
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: hear all about the champions dinner, but not much about

625
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: the amateur dinner. Can you take us into that room

626
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: and describe the scene a little bit? Yeah, that was intimidating.

627
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm not like socially you know, that was That was

628
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: a tough one for me. I thought there was only

629
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: gonna be six people there, and then we walked into

630
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: the room and there's actually every single but what I

631
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: felt like, every single member of Augusta Nationale in the room.

632
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I don't know, I'm gonna

633
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: be talking to but I'll be shuffling somewhere quietly. Um So,

634
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was that was really cool. Surgoy was

635
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: given the little pep talk to the amateurs and we

636
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: came out with some stat that of amateurs that playing

637
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: the Masters go on to win it. And I'm sure

638
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: that number is decreasing it every it goes. But um,

639
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: that's kind of what's kind of cool to hear, you know, Um,

640
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: once you've been here, once, you know, I'd love to

641
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: come back here and play for a bit of money.

642
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: So or maybe you see if I still think that

643
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: on Sunday, but you know, I can imagine it's it's

644
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. So do they see all the

645
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: amateurs together? Do they mix you up throughout the room.

646
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: And remember, if you know, I thought I'll be next

647
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: to James. I've played the Georgia Cup against James Pyett

648
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: and us Sam Champ. I thought, well, I know themselves'll

649
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: be fine. I'm just sitting next to him. I'd see

650
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: him for the whole night. But it was it was true.

651
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: You know you're speaking to Surgery came out to me,

652
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: con Lucy Rice and say came up to me. Number

653
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: of you know, massive names and cool people, you know

654
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: that you'd never get a chance to meet outside of

655
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: being here this week. So yeah, and in terms of starstruck,

656
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, well, I would say Tiger. This morning

657
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: he walked onto the range and I sort of caught

658
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: myself because on the parting green, I heard some commotion

659
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: going on, turned around and sort of what was that Tiger?

660
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, fucking playing cool? Would you asked me?

661
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: I just didn't. I didn't look at him. I just

662
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: was was doing what I was doing. But I can

663
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: tell you I was not thinking about the part I

664
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: was hitting. I was just thinking that Tigle is behind me.

665
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: That's been crazy to see, you know this the jeweler

666
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: guy has um It's pretty cool. Yeah, obviously that's one

667
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: of the reasons that the progralfers have so much reverence

668
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: for a guest the National because it's rare for them

669
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: to be the poorest person in the room. But that's

670
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: an area you walking into all these green jackets, like, oh,

671
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm not at the top of the food chain like

672
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: I thought it was. U. What do you think of

673
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: your draw for the first two rounds? Perfect? It's almost

674
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: like someone had asked me who would like to play with.

675
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: To be fair, um, I played a pract round with

676
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: with Bob Market at the open Um. It's Caddies good

677
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: friends with Mike Caddy. Um, so that's gonna be really comfortable.

678
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: So that's that's good. Um. You know we overlapp for

679
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: about a year playing amid stuff. But it would be

680
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: good to have a familiar face. And then obviously you know,

681
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: Charles is the past winner. I mean, as I said

682
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: when I was asked who I wanted to play with,

683
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: if I really don't mind, you know, everyone's pretty good

684
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: at goal. That's playing the masters, you know, and everyone's

685
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: going to have have Everyone's gonna be interesting to watch

686
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: and learn from. Um, so you know, put me with whoever.

687
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, really happy with the group of got so

688
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: it would be a little of fun. Part three, you

689
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 1: said you might play with Shane, Larry and Rory. Yeah

690
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: that's been ESPN has put a stop to that apparently. Yeah.

691
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: So I think we have Bryson now, which yeah that's

692
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean definitely learns something there. Yeah. Yeah,

693
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: well it's funny my Tom Baby he's a he's a

694
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: big Bryson fan, So maybe try and get him to

695
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: sign something. He's a Bryson fan boy, but now I'll

696
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: be It would be fun. I mean, you know, at

697
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: the end of the days, he's a guy that plays golf,

698
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: so we have that in common. So maybe all you

699
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: have in common? Maybe tell us where ESPN like nix

700
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: the pairings, Like what do you mean by that? Well, so,

701
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: so I when I arrived on Saturday, obviously registered and

702
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: noticed that m Rory and Shane, who were down on

703
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: the par three list, had not registered yet, and I

704
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: thought it was a bit odd, but there was a

705
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: space next to them, so I thought, well, I'm only

706
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: going to get this chance once, so much as I

707
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: put my name down. But apparently they planned well I

708
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't really know the story, but the

709
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: guy from the Masters came over to me on the

710
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: practice so I thought I was getting told off for something.

711
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: Thankfully that wasn't the case. But yeah, he just said

712
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: there's been a mix up and when you change it

713
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: so and I'm not going to put up a fuss

714
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: about it. So that's fun with me. Yeah, this is ridiculous.

715
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: It was all good with me. Well, I think we'll

716
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: try and play with them tomorrow. They said, so in

717
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: the morning. Yeah, yeah, well we'll see obviously the weather

718
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: whole time, but yeah, that will be to be fair,

719
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: I'll be probably more valuable than BO three when my

720
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: girlfriend was going to carry for me at the part

721
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: three and she was upset at the change. So yeah,

722
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: who are your people that you have this week as

723
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: far as family and friends? So my mom and dad, Um,

724
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: my girlfriend's here, my girlfriend's mom's here. Um. I've got

725
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: a friend who who car from at the Open and

726
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: he's here. My friend Andrew who's carding for me, um,

727
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: and then a few how many friends. My stepbrother has

728
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: been here for a few days. He's probably gonna head

729
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: out tomorrow. M Yeah. And then just been a few

730
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: a few people we've picked up at the Golf Club

731
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: of Georgia. They came yesterday. You know, people just love it.

732
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: And I say the best part about um, I suppose,

733
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: in my position and qualifying to play the Masters, has

734
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: been able to share with family and people who want

735
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: to be there and giving them an opportunity to come

736
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: experience it. I mean the coach I've got with me

737
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: this week, Alex, he he's never been and you know,

738
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: you can just tell people are excited about it. Um,

739
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's that's been one of the

740
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: coolest things about being given all these opportunities because, um,

741
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, you can't you can't do professional goal for

742
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: although I'm not pro yet, but I'm to go for

743
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: the golf on your own. Um. So it's fun to

744
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: have everyone there and support. And so you should sound

745
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: like you're in a great place. Your preparation, your mindset,

746
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: your self belief, you're you know, your your practice rounds

747
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: that you did in January and here you know, it

748
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: sounds like you're sure. It sounds like to me you've

749
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: got a great a great You're in a great place.

750
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean, is that is that your sense to Jep?

751
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: I mean is this is he does it look like

752
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: he's even more prepared than maybe you could have been

753
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 1: on your first I mean it's it's pretty polished. Yeah,

754
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: it's signing all the right things. Don't You've done all

755
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: the right things. You've been here early. Yeah, absolutely, that's

756
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: a hog way. You don't know how you're gonna be right,

757
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't sleep on the path right. The path three

758
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: is really good preparation because all of a suddenly, I

759
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: mean you are parting on these grains. Now you've got

760
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: for the first time, you've got three six footers that actually,

761
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: like those people watching like, it's preparas proper prep right,

762
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: it's not like putting on the putting grain where it

763
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you miss. And I was watching, I

764
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: thought the path three for me my first year was

765
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: really valuable at like making me realize what it's going

766
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: to feel like to hit these because the parts that

767
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean you probably did you go there and you

768
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: have you been out on the path. It's great fun.

769
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: It's I mean they are ringing. I mean they are

770
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: standing two or three meters from where you're landing your

771
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: eight on. Its like it's full pressure, like it's close,

772
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: it's tied out there, and it's super fun. But I

773
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: just feel like you're hitting pictures, hitting chips, you're hitting

774
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: a little breaking six footers and stuff with no pressure

775
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: really but you'll feel it and there's people there, and

776
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's a nice little free tournament.

777
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: All right, this is what it's going to be like,

778
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, like I think, um, but yeah you don't. Yeah,

779
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: just you're doing all the right things. Absolutely, I wouldn't

780
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: have been ras and haven't there no chance I would

781
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: have been this prepared? No chance. It makes me think

782
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: that make tastes in quote though, everyone has a plan

783
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: that they get punched in the mouth. So it's like

784
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta know it's it's coming. At some point,

785
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: there'll be some adversity, so it's just about getting through it. Yeah,

786
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: I feel like, um, one thing I've may have been

787
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: quite good at is pretending I'm okay with everything. Um,

788
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: you walk around the place, You'll see there's so many

789
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: people around your player, everyone's looking at your time. You

790
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: feel like you're a man, and so that kind of,

791
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, ego wise, you feel like you're on top

792
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: of the world, you know. Um, and then you sort of,

793
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, maybe carry yourself in a way that exudes confidence.

794
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: But as you said, you know, everyone's got up on

795
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: until they get punched in the mouth. So you know, thursdays,

796
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, when it really matters. It's quite easy to

797
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: walk around feeling like the nuts when you can just

798
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: pick up out the trees and toss in the fur way.

799
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, and you know that's the beauty

800
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: of sport. You just don't alone, how are you going

801
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: to handle it and we'll see. But you have it.

802
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: You have a track record. We've talked about this before,

803
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: but you have you like despot like you like the opportunity.

804
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: You thrive in pressure situations. Obviously you almost perform your

805
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: best when you're up against it, seems like, so you

806
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: can rely on that a little bit too. Yeah, and

807
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: that's definitely a comfort thing to know that. Um I'm

808
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: okay with all that, and you know, it usually brings

809
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: out some of my best stuff. It's funny going from like,

810
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: for example, playing the Open and I played a few

811
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: European Tour events after that it was feeling of almost

812
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: being a bit flat because there was no one following

813
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, I'm watching you. Um So for me, I

814
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: find that's a positive an event like this, like you're

815
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: going to have a bit of juice. You know, you're

816
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: going to feel it, and so that's going to be useful.

817
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: Um it's useful until until you know, you may be

818
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: gotten a bad run and then you've got you've got

819
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: to stay calm and stay in this you know, not

820
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: not fake, but stay in this sort of persona that

821
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: you need to try and exude. You know. I think

822
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the biggest thing because you're to make mistakes. Um,

823
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: so how you respond to those is obviously pretty key.

824
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: Um And you just got to try and find a

825
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: way of acting like you four under even if you're not.

826
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: So Yeah, just just just make just just burn do

827
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: this stir all your fires up. Jeff, just hearing this

828
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: talking about this being here, does this make you want

829
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: to just like next I just want to play the

830
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: golf tournament. I'm never not gonna want to. Yeah, only

831
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: be nuts to come back and play like it's such

832
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: a treat to play this tournament. Like, as I said,

833
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: I every single Sunday I ever left was the most

834
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: motivated I was for the year. I was driving down

835
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: Magnalia at the end of the week because no, this

836
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: is me. Next year, I'm doing however close I've got.

837
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: I was never really that close to contention a few times,

838
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, wherever I left it's like I'm doing that.

839
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm doing better next year. I just cannot

840
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: wait to get back. It's a special week, man. Special.

841
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: They just get everything right from a play as perspective. Everything,

842
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's straight, it's nice. You know, it's like

843
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: it's a reward for doing what you do, like hit

844
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: balls in the rhine when you're a kid practicing until

845
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: dark and well, this is this is what you're doing for.

846
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: We were just with Laird in Scotland and St Andrew's.

847
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: He's practicing at Duke's. They had a snow snow flurry

848
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: come through. We meet him on the range. He's putting

849
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: coins in the ring, can't get balls out of the range.

850
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: He's picking his own balls off the snow covered range,

851
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: hitting in thirty five degree weather. And I looked at him.

852
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, he's putting in the work

853
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: for this ticket to go to Augustin and now here

854
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: he is. I mean, this is like you said, it's

855
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: what you do. That's what it's not work. That's what

856
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: people don't understand. And that's the fun part. That's the

857
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: fun part, you know. I think anyway, and anyone who

858
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: usually makes it, we'll pretend like we work, but like

859
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: really we play golf, you know what I mean. Who

860
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go do that? And there's parts of

861
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: it that you don't want to do every day, but

862
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: like it's all just we get to play golf, you know,

863
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: and then you get rewarded with stuff like this at

864
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: the end of it. You know, it's certainly certainly not work.

865
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: It's just fun. It's a grind, but it's a fun

866
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: It's the fun that's the grinding is the fun part. Absolutely,

867
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean, you know, Laird Laird was

868
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: nearly out of the game a little over a year

869
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: and a half, you know, just about a year and

870
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: a half ago, it was nearly at a point where

871
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: he couldn't play, and now he's playing the Masters. I

872
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: feel like that's helpful for me in terms of perspective.

873
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I wouldn't I wouldn't be the same

874
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have the same mindset I do sitting here

875
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: now if I hadn't gone through that Bose set of circumstances. So, um,

876
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, because I was, I was looking at life

877
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: from a perspective of not having golf for a career

878
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: in golf as the as the thing. Um, and that's

879
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: pretty freeing as well. Um, you know, I'd come to

880
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: terms of it most So you know, it's really hard

881
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: hard to say how different things affects you. But um, yeah,

882
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: and as you said about the practice thing, you know,

883
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: everyone everyone's doing that, you know in my mind, and

884
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm just a lucky one that actually gets a reward

885
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: from it. There's plenty of people who, you know, are

886
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: you paying advance for hopefully something they get down the line,

887
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: and some people never get to withdraw, you know. But

888
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: I've been fortunate enough to you know, my success has

889
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: happened at the right time, and I've I've been lucky

890
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: enough to get the golden ticket sort of thing. Um,

891
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: so I hope it keeps happening. But I saw money Scousle,

892
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: the guy you beat in the m Championship who he

893
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: doesn't get to go, you win in a playoff, get

894
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: to go, and he was wishing you luck. You know,

895
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I saw a little social exchange where he basically he

896
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: says good Like. I was like, you know, how cool

897
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: is that? I mean he he has pure class on

898
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: his part obviously. Yeah, yeah, I mean that that's who

899
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: he is as a person, you know, that great guy

900
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: that sport as well. It's um, you know, for me,

901
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: it was the coolest part probably looking back at about

902
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 1: the British and Final is that you know, if you win,

903
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: you get everything, if you lose you get nothing, And

904
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: then to be able to then perform in that situation.

905
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: Is is something that you know, will I'll always be

906
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: able to fall back on. UM. So, you know, to

907
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: have had the opportunity to go through that. Although I

908
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: would love to have gone blow him out six and

909
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: five and not have the stress, it's been much more

910
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: valuable to have had had the way it happened and

911
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: to learn from it and had the opportunity to hit

912
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: five ft parts with three majors in the line. You know,

913
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: when does anyone really get to do that? Usually UM,

914
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: but you know his golf as we have short memories,

915
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: so you've we'll keep reminding yourself that you can do

916
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: so you can do it. Hopefully that's a good ending spot.

917
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: I think you can do it from the Tesco call

918
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: center too, I guess the Nashville. It's a pretty incredible journey.

919
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: And so good lucky Laard Well, and I know we're

920
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: all rude for you. Thanks very much. Yeah, I have

921
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: a great week, and uh, I know we'll be catching

922
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: up to do throughout the week for the Grind episode,

923
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: which which we're excited to share at some point this year.

924
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, nothing but positive thoughts and vibes coming from

925
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: the fire pit. That's for sure. Yeah, thanks for having

926
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: me on. It's been a little fun than Thanks for

927
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: sharing a bit of knowledge, Like it's not of thing

928
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: you get to hear, you know, some of my self

929
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: share stuff like that, and yeah, you know heavy just

930
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: the stuff you shared. Obviously, the main thing with meats

931
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: with the free swinging, but is yeah, just I'll be

932
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: I'll be keeping that in mind for sure. Thank you.

933
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: You'll have a good time, be fun. Thank you. That

934
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: little pep talk about freeing yourself up and playing the game,

935
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: which we're just saying, you know, would be good advice,

936
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: not only for Laird but basically everybody. Right at some point,

937
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: everybody's got a free up. And if I learned anything

938
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: playing this tournament was that was when I had the

939
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: first few years I've played an ultra conservative and kind

940
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: of did all right, but I was never gonna win.

941
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: You can kind of chip away and make the cut

942
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: if you like by avoiding damage, but you're never gonna

943
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: do any good. The ones that do good are the

944
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: ones who just caution to the wind. You just gotta go,

945
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: you know, like that's your awake up. It's not sort

946
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: of thing, and it's more likely to be you're awake.

947
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: If you're free, you know, than if you're taught. And

948
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: it's even like some of the guys who have come

949
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: from behind, like the Schwartzels or the guy you know,

950
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: make late runs, you know, Bubba the first time around you.

951
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: But when they free themselves up, when they almost don't

952
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: know that they're even in intention, and they get in

953
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: and then they end up winning, it's like, oh my

954
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: god at once, so because they've freed up and didn't

955
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: even think that they might have a chance or it

956
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: had to free themselves up to try to go. Yeah,

957
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: that's the skill. And I mean the other tournaments at

958
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: the US Open and stuff that forces you to play

959
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: conservative because you have to. But this one pushes you

960
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: that conservative direction. But you have to fight that. You

961
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: have to fight that the whole time because you want

962
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: to play safe because your whole Brian is a professional

963
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: golfers to damage control and minimize mistakes, and that doesn't

964
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: work around here. The way to minimize mistakes is to

965
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: actually embrace the fact that you will make him, so

966
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: don't worry about him. Almost you said you talk to

967
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: Roy this morning. Did you get into any of this

968
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: stuff a little bit? I just tell yeah, I just yeah,

969
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: I said, how you feel and how you're playing, and

970
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: he feels he seems like he's up and about. Um.

971
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't have any advice for Rory reck We once

972
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: he canna listen to me for but yeah, I just said,

973
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: be free and be loosened to have a good time,

974
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: you know. I mean just imagine you're sitting there when

975
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: you're fifty, you've got four of these things, would you

976
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: be nervous about two version? No? You know, just go

977
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: play right? Yeah, I mean I'm sure he knows, he knows.

978
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: What's it been eight nine years that he's been sort

979
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: of this has been the career Grand Slam sort of

980
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: start for him. Um, it's amazing. Since fourteen, it's amazing. Um,

981
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: you never would have picked that, especially at the beginning

982
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: of his career. This was the one he was going

983
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: to win right first, you know. I mean, he's got

984
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: a game that's just so built for this place. I

985
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: finally we'll get it done, and he'll get it done.

986
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: Final comments on lair Just as we wrap up sort

987
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: of episode two here at the fire Drive, you're sort

988
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: of takeaway from here listening to him, Yeah, growing up kid,

989
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: um saying all the right things interesting, Like you said,

990
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: here's the story is so he's two years ago he

991
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: was never going to play golf at all anymore, you know,

992
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: and so this is like he's getting a free swing

993
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: at everything, you know. I mean, what a feeling it's

994
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: got to be. How liberating it is to all of

995
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: a sudden have a body that works and good things

996
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: happened straight away and you want the tournament. Now you're

997
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: in the Masters. Yeah, as I said, a year or

998
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: two after not ever maybe ever playing golf again. It's like, um,

999
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: he's living the aim at the moment, which is not

1000
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: not for him. I remember that sort of wakes It's, uh,

1001
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: I'll have a good time. And he's signed all the

1002
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: rot things, and he like he's he sounds he sounds

1003
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: like he's pretty mature about the whole thing and keeping

1004
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: it in perspective, which is very hard to do when

1005
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: you come here for the first time. What do you

1006
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: think I will listen? I mean you you're just getting

1007
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: to know Layard. Obviously we've talked to him a bunch,

1008
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: But what's your what's your impression? Well? Supermature, uh and polished.

1009
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: I wish I could have seen Jeff's thought bubbles a

1010
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: few times, you know, when Laard was talking, because I

1011
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: almost had this sense like, okay, kid, you know you

1012
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: don't really know what's coming. I like what you're saying,

1013
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: but just wait. You know, there's like, you know, there's

1014
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: sort of a dragon on the side of the drawbridge,

1015
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, waiting for him on Thursday. But um, you know,

1016
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: he's well, we'll see how his game actually translates. But

1017
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's encouraging. It seems like he's really prepared,

1018
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: and he's he's and he's ready. He looks good. I mean,

1019
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a it's a big gas for

1020
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: any amateur to come here and the play really well.

1021
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: But he seems to be as equipped as anybody could do.

1022
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: I was really I was really impressed with you know,

1023
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: he's grateful and appreciative of the either the advice or

1024
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: the thoughts or the commentary. But at the end of

1025
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 1: the day, he does know that he's going to need

1026
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: to execute. I thought that was a little cocky, said

1027
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: you need I think I don't think that was works

1028
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: in his favor. Like, thanks, Mike, we were I'll handle

1029
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: it from here. You know, well, I like that Mike

1030
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: we're not gonna be outher to hold his hands like that.

1031
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: That's probably a good attitude. I don't know. He and

1032
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: he admits I'm gonna make mistakes, and Jeff says, you

1033
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: know you're going to learn from those, and so I'm

1034
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: gonna have to go do that. I mean, that's the deal. Yeah,

1035
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: you gotta try to. You gotta let yourself mike mistakes,

1036
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: otherwise you'll never know wrong. Yeah, all right, the fire

1037
00:53:46,760 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: is out. On episode two, put another log on the fire.

1038
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: Were here is getting time