WEBVTT - Cindy Crawford 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:05.080 Since lockdown. My son said, please, can we go to England? 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:07.880 And we only meant to come till Christmas, and then 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:09.680 he said, can I finish at the school year here? 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:11.640 Did you have your kids back with you? Were you 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.480 all together? Yeah? That was also a blessing because my 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.479 kids are twenty one in nineteen, and they're at the 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.920 ages where they would be, you know, off doing their 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.000 own thing. Especially my daughter was you know fully launched, 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:26.520 and then all of a sudden she had no work, 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.200 so she was back here and I think she fostered 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.800 five puppies and then finally the fifth one stuck, so 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:35.199 and then she got another one. So we have like 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.120 four dogs now, which is crazy because I didn't grow 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.720 up with dogs, and I'm not ever the person you 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.800 would have thought would have four dogs. Hello, I'm Mini 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:49.120 Driver and welcome to many questions. I've always loved Priest 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.400 question app. It was originally an eighteenth century poly game 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.880 meant to reveal an individual's true nature, but with so 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.560 many questions, there wasn't really an opportunity to expand on anything. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.040 So I took the format of Proof's questionnaire and adapted 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.759 what I think are seven of the most important questions 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.720 you could ever ask someone they are when and where 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:13.559 were you happiest? What is the quality you like least 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:19.040 about yourself. What relationship, real or fictionalized, defines love for you? 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:24.720 What question would you most like answered, What person, place, 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.959 or experience has shaped you the most? What would be 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.800 your last meal? And can you tell me something in 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.800 your life that has grown out of a personal disaster. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.560 The more people we ask, the more we begin to 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.600 see what makes us similar and what makes us individual. 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.640 I've gathered a group of really remarkable people who I 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:48.840 am honored and humbled to have had a chance to 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:53.840 engage with. My guest today is Cindy Crawford. Cindy has 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.440 been an iconic part of American culture since the early nineties, 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:02.520 a supermodel, a business when, and a mother. It's really 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.600 worth remembering that she was actually given a scholarship to 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.800 Northwestern to study chemical engineering when finding great success as 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:14.560 a model changed her career path entirely. She said to me, 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.240 the good thing about having a brain is that you 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.919 can take it with you. She's a woman very much 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.200 in charge of her own narrative and the course that 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.480 she charts, and it was a real pleasure getting to 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:34.440 know her a little better and having the opportunity to chat. So, 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.760 what person, place, or experience has most altered your life? 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:43.520 I did home birth? Oh did he? Yes? Oh I tried. 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.760 I tried. God tell me no, that's amazing. So in 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:49.400 the beginning, right when I got pregnant, I was not 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.840 planning on it. Both my sisters said had kids, they 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.640 had epidurals. I was like, sign me up. That's the 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.560 way you have kids. That's the modern way now. And 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.000 then while I was pregnant, a friend of mine suggested 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.440 I go to this premat or yoga class, and the 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.920 woman who taught the class grew muke. She made me 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.079 really look at when you're pregnant, you're not sick, you're 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:12.320 actually super strong. And through some of the people in 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.560 that class the idea of home birth, and I met 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:19.519 a midwife and it just resonated with me. And I 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.440 didn't put pressure on myself. My plan was just to 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.120 stay at home as long as I could, and if 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:24.480 I needed to go to the hospital, I would go. 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.560 Wasn't like I'm going to stay home no matter what. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:32.119 And I think for me having that experience was very 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:36.680 empowering because when you say to most women who are 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.240 like who delivered your baby, They're like dr so, and 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.600 so I'm like I did. My midwife was there, she 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.840 was the assist, yes, and you know, my husband was there. 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:51.840 But I felt so empowered afterwards, and I felt like 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.480 doing that even like right after my son was born, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.960 I was like wow. I mean, of course I was 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:00.960 holding my baby and so happy for that, but I 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.560 was also like, you are amazing. You did that. And 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.160 that was like my first other than being pregnant and 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:08.640 there's all you know, you're saying to your baby and 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:10.800 all that stuff, But that was like my first act 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.440 as a mother, and I felt so strong and empowered 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.680 that I think that it helped me. Like I came 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.320 at it from a place of like I've got this. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.479 It's so great. It's such a brilliant place to begin 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:27.159 that extraordinary journey. There's something that brings it into focus 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:31.640 of our strength, a superhuman strength in growing and birthing 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:36.360 a baby. It's magical, Yeah, because I never really understood 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:41.400 how tough I was before that. Really, Yeah, especially like 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:46.159 in that visceral physical I mean, it hurts having a 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:51.040 baby's for sure, and I just I didn't come from 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.040 silver spoon. But like my life in my twenties was 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.200 very pampered, flying on the concorde and people doing my 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.720 nails and hair and makeup and handing me dresses and 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.000 get machinos or whatever. And then that just put me right. 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.000 It's like as raw of an experience as I think, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.760 you know, it levels you, It really does. It levels you. 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:14.200 And again I think it takes off unnecessary corners that 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.479 one might have as a person and really shapes you. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.240 My mom always said, she was like, I don't know 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.880 about reincarnation, but I know we live about a thousand 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.960 different lives in this one. Yeah, and this is a 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.119 tricky question of where and when were you happiest because 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.880 there are many different, many different lives that you've had. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.240 But can you think of what that would be? Yeah, 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.320 I mean I think today, but if you asked me tomorrow, 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.440 I would say that day. It's funny. There's a homeopathic 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.159 doctor out here that I see and I adore. He's 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.680 like a therapist and homeopathic doctor. And one of his 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.360 questions he asked is, on a scale of one to ten, 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.680 rate yourself on happiness. And I always laugh because I'm like, 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.400 but that's not my goal. I'm way more interested in 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.160 just being present what is the moment, offering and meeting 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.440 that moment. So if it's sadness, I don't want to 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.320 be happy in a sad moment. I don't want to 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.960 be happy in a serious moment. I just want to 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.839 be present. I guess what makes me happiest is being present. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.120 Does that make sense? Yeah, it totally does. I mean 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.400 I think that if you can get that bird's eye 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:24.240 view to see the panopoly of a life, happiness has 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.839 its place. We put so much stake in it. It 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.159 has such a premium, and the reality is we're not 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.000 supposed to be happy all the time. We're happy all 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.279 the time, we'll be extremely unmotivated, you know, I just 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.120 stay in bed all day. We also would be completely, 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.000 you know, tone deaf to anything that's going on around us. 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.599 And it is interesting because like as mother's like, I 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.800 just want my child to be happy, but the kid 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.359 can't be happy all the time, and you've got to 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:54.440 teach them how to be unhappy, how to be effectively 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.640 unhappy in the world right, and that this too shall pass. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.960 And in that pain or you know, loneliness or whatever 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.479 their experience, seeing there's a lesson and there's beauty, and 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.760 then it also helps you appreciate the times where you 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:12.480 really are just unburdened by any of that. Do you 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:17.440 think that at times in your life when you've been unhappy, 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.640 have you consciously mind for the things that will make 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.480 you feel better or did you pretty early on become 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.920 comfortable with just staying in whatever emotional state you were in. Yeah, 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.760 I think that's been more developed. It's been a while 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.920 where I feel like I don't put that pressure on 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.680 myself to be happy every day. So if I'm not happy, 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.600 I don't feel like I'm depressed or it's a bad day. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.000 One of the things that I talked about this recently, 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.480 I did this talk for like the Vatican Conference with 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.080 a friend of mine who's a doctor, and we were 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.920 talking about health and mental health, and I think one 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.920 of the things I've learned to do effectively is in 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.440 the way I described it to him, was like, Okay, 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.960 whatever you're worrying about, whatever burden you're carrying around, just 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.360 put it own at night, get in bed and put 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.520 it to bed, put it in God's hands. Wherever you 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.360 want to put it. You can pick it up in 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.720 the morning. But you've got to like give yourself a 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.680 break from it. That's such great advice. I tell my son, 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.440 just don't let it drive the bus at nighttime. Put 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.119 it in the back of the bus with the luggage. Yeah, 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.520 Or I would even get it off the bus. I'd 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:22.520 get on a different bus for the night. I don't know, 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:24.560 but yeah, Like a lot of times you wake up 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.000 and you realize, oh, it's not quite as heavy as 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.920 it felt yesterday, or somehow it resolves on its own. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.480 I'm the type of person like that thing when someone 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.760 calls you and they're like or text you, please call 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.000 me back, Like my brain instantly goes to like the 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.640 worst thing possible, and then you call them back and 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:44.040 you're like, they're like something silly. I don't know why 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.360 our human brains do that. So I'm like the type. 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.000 I'm like, I gotta call them back right away because 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:49.720 I don't want to worry about this any longer than 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.920 I have to. It takes so much more energy worrying 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.920 than it is letting it go. You're right, I don't 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.360 know why the human brain does it either. The monkey mind. Yes, 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:01.880 maybe it's there so that we can choose something else 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.520 and that we didn't have that dissonance, we wouldn't choose 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.520 something else. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of my philosophy on 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.520 happiness in general. I like it. It's good. It's stoic. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.120 Actually it's stoic, and it's absolutely right. Just be present 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:18.080 in this decade that we're in. I think that's one 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.360 of the real gifts, is being able to examine the 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.400 things that work and the things that are still tricky. Yeah, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.640 And I mean, look, there's some things about getting older 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.680 that aren't great, but I think that is really one 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.880 of the things I've noticed in myself and my friends 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.920 and my sisters is with age, you do kind of 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.360 know yourself, even your flaws, and you're hopefully you can 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.360 even learn to be accepting of those as well, like 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.480 the way that we view our friends through that lens 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.840 of like, oh she's this, but I love her anyway, 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:52.960 or the way you know, if we can learn to 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.360 love ourselves in that way too, with all of our 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.560 flaws and imperfections, but also with all of our wisdom 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:04.280 and experience, that I think is a kind and graceful 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.719 way to age. I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.200 wisdom and grace doesn't get enough play. In my opinion, 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:27.920 what relationship, real or fictionalized, defines love for you. I mean, 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.640 there's so many different kinds of love. I mean what 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.800 comes to mind is mother to child and that unconditional love. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.280 And I feel very blessed that I had that from 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:42.240 my own mother. So having that gave me confidence to 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.200 become a mother myself and feeling like I would be 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.600 able to give that to my own children. But also 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.240 I mean romantic love, and romantic love that turns into 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.960 a twenty three year marriage. Obviously it grows in changes. 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.840 But I think for me in terms of romantic love, 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.280 what I'm really looking for to be known right, Like 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:06.160 to be seen and not just the pretty sides, not 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:12.080 just a polite sides, Like I don't mind that part 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.360 of a relationship where it's a little bit scrappy and 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:20.160 vulnerable and roll up your sleeves and let's get into it. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.160 By being able to be vulnerable with someone and them 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.120 still loving you like, that's a great gift. Did that 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.240 take a minute to work out? Because I mean, I've 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.920 got to say you are beloved by an awful lot 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.560 of people. I mean, for everything that has come after 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.800 coining the phrase supermodel. How is that when you are 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:42.200 basically loved for how incredibly beautiful you are, how does 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.640 that sense of self grow be like beyond that? Because 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.480 it's it's true you were growing up in front of everybody, 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.559 and you're received and held in a very particular regard. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.520 It must make you question what what it is people 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.880 love about you? Well, it's certainly it puts a pressure 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.480 on you, like to be Cindy Crawford, like to deliver that, 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.640 do you know what I mean. It's like, okay, well 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.240 I'm doing this thing, Cindy Crawford, better show up. And 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.199 I'm not always in the mood to be Cindy Crawford, right, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.160 But that's a thing. I mean, it's it's an aspect 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:15.840 of who I am. But you know, at home, I'm 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:20.640 a very different person. And fortunately my husband he likes 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.200 me no makeup, you know, jeans and a T shirt 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.840 like that's his favorite. And I think realizing that, you know, 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.360 kind of me in my most raw self is what 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.840 my family loves and help me realize like that's the 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:36.480 truth of my life. And this other thing, which is 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:40.360 super fun and you know, we play with at times, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.240 and I've been able to take that and you know, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.679 use it as a platform with a skin care line 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.640 or with my philanthropy whatever. And I feel, especially you know, 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.240 as I get older, some of me wants to just 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.320 like check out and be like, Okay, I'm done with 0:12:55.360 --> 0:13:00.679 that whole thing. But I also feel some respond stability 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.520 to women who are my age that have been following 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.600 me for thirty five years or whatever. I don't want 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.679 to tell them like, okay, ladies, now it's time for 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.080 all of us to be invisible. Even though sometimes I 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.199 might not want to do the photo shoot or whatever. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.960 I'm like, but is this helping women see their beauty 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.880 and the beauty of age in a way? And like, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.400 I just did a photo shoot and it's funny. I 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.280 did it for Brazilian Vogue and it was with these 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:31.040 photographers who adored I had never worked with them before, 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.840 but I knew their work and the pictures were kind 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.280 of like sexy. But I was like, look, they can't 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.920 be coy at all. I'm fifty five. I'm not coy, 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.480 like that can't It's not that kind of sexy that 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.640 works at twenty or twenty five. And I don't even 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.800 feel that, like I don't even that would be so 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.400 inauthentic to the pictures. I'm like they hadn't really thought 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.920 about it that way, and it was fun, like us 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:59.360 working out together what that means? You know, It's not like, oh, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.640 I'm holding up a sheet and I'm who you know, 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.439 That's not who I am at this point in my life, 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.200 do you know what I mean? I'm fascinating conselte people 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.920 who are on an academic path who make this you 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:14.760 turn into whatever this world that we live in. And 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.680 I wondered, did you have to find like a new 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.600 fuel like when you had this idea. I mean, Northwestern 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.240 is not to be sniffed out like that's it's an 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.600 amazing school. And if you have a really good brain, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.360 did you find this whole new career in this whole 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.840 new world? Did you find it as you went along 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.040 or did you suddenly think that something had been switched 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:40.960 on in you? I think growing up, you know, blue 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.680 collar and not having money, like always motivated in a 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.160 very different way than for instance, my daughter is. So 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.400 it wasn't like an esoteric decision about modeling. It was 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:55.120 like what it pays this much? You know? And the 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.760 great thing about a brain as it comes with you 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.960 so even having an academic brain, I just kind of 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.160 looked at modeling that way. I brought that with me. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.520 I learned, I absorbed. I paid attention to all the 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.240 creatives that I was around, and it was actually really 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:15.400 good for me because I remember my mother. My mother 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.320 was a very young mother. She got pregnant with my 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.560 sister when she was sixteen, and so I had my 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.840 sister when she was seventeen, me when she was nineteen, 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.280 two more kids by the time she was twenty three. 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.040 So and my mom was a great mom, but I 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.320 think there was a part of her that was creative 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.720 and she never had found an outlet for it. She 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.920 used to do these paintings on our sheets and pillows, 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.080 she decorated like the part that you saw, like the edge, 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.680 and I think because she didn't have that place to 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.359 be creative really and and get accolades for it, somehow 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.600 I got the message that I wasn't creative, and it's 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.160 a weird thing for a kid to feel. I guess 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:57.240 in a weird way, I was just like, well, I'm 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:58.680 not good at art, or i'm not good at this, 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.600 or so I didn't have a comfortable place to express 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.240 my creativity. So I was very comfortable with calculus and 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.200 you know, things that where you could add up the 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.920 numbers and you always got the same answer, whereas creative 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:16.800 writing or even Spanish things that were less concrete and 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.160 tangible were more intimidating to me. And then I got 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.400 in this, you know I called the fabulous world of fashion, 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:27.320 and I'm surrounded by creatives and saying, well, you know what, 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.960 I am creative in the way that I'm creative. I mean, 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.640 we all are creative, absolutely absolutely. It's the way that 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.360 school kind of tries to pigeonhole you into, oh you're 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.040 an art kid or your theater kid, or you're a 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.960 football kid. But even a lot of the best athletes, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.960 the way they approached the game is creatively. I mean. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.600 And don't I think that modeling actually helped me tap 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.600 into the creative side of my brain, But of course 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:58.080 I still had like that analytical side as well. Was 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.880 probably really good but probably really protected you. So I 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.480 love what you said about how your brain goes with you. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:08.880 I didn't think about that, but yeah, it's just it's 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.880 just maybe lighting up different parts, you know. Yeah, do 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.240 you feel quite practical about your evolution? Like it seems 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.879 to me that you're extremely practical about it. It's like, okay, 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.200 well this is this is what's happening now, I am 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:25.080 now this person. Do you find that emotionally those parts 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.440 of yourself evolve as well? Someone said to me recently, 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.399 and this, really I think we'll answer it is that 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:35.760 when they have anxiety, it's when their actions aren't aligning 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.440 with their sole purpose. So whenever they have anxiety, they 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.200 look at like, Okay, what am I doing? That isn't authentic? 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.400 But I think to your question, it's not that I'm 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.919 so practical about it, just like it's my body just 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.080 knows it doesn't feel right, and it's like, oh like, 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:56.600 I like, this feels yucky. And I don't want to 0:17:56.640 --> 0:18:00.560 portray especially I'm not an actress, so I'm only portraying 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.640 a version of me. It's interesting. It dove tails back 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:07.040 into that notion of presence, and in order to know yourself, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.000 you have to remain extremely present in each age of 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.679 your life, in each moment of your life, and so 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.080 you can be ruthless with being able to smell inauthenticity. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.560 I suppose I go at school, but it's not for me, right, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.639 not for me today or maybe ever again. And I 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.760 think that's part of the reason that my career has 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.800 lasted as long as it has and has evolved. When 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.000 I had kids, I did stuff with like a baby company, 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:36.199 and then as my skin started aging, I launched it. 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.520 Well we called it age maintenance, but somehow that isn't 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.080 as sexy as anti aging, but age maintenance, like, I'm 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.960 pretty happy with that. Age maintenance is wearing like a 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.400 boiler suit and is busy. Yeah. Well, and also it's 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.800 kind of like, look, I can't erase time and we're 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.480 all aging, but I can take care of myself as 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.240 I age, and that to me is like realistic. But 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.240 somehow it doesn't have the ring of anti age jan 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.640 which we all know who can anti age like you can't, 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.680 But it's it's it's really good marketing because at something 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:12.320 you're definitely against it and being against aging, but I'm 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.919 always like, it's better than the alternative. You know, I 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:28.440 can't agree with you more. What would be your last meal? 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.560 Oh gosh, I love food, but I think it would 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:34.920 be more about like a shared meal, do you know 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.879 what I mean? Like me sitting alone eating anything would 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.840 yeah be good? Like I've had very nice. You know, 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.639 room service by myself around the world. But I think 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.280 that room service by myself might be my new last meal. 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:52.280 Actually that is really funny. Room service by myself. No, 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.560 I mean, and I do love sometimes, especially when my 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.000 kids real little. I loved being in a hotel room, 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.359 vine able to take a long bath or whatever. But 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.760 I think now any meal shared with friends or even 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.960 like now my children's friends, where sometimes my husband and 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:07.960 I notice ourselves at the grown up table, you know, 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:09.760 we have to step back and let the young people 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.000 talk about just being around that kind of energy and 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.159 ideas and the way they think about the world. I 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:19.439 just feel so energized being around them too, because you 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.800 just realize, well, you know, there's always this forward motion 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:27.600 with thoughts and ideology, and you know, what is their normal, 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:31.840 and it's it's interesting. That's cool. I like that your 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:36.080 your last meal. You're also thinking about, you know, what's 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.000 coming next, like what's happening, Like what's the evolution of this? 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.200 Like that's very cool to be what some people would 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.000 think of as an ending point and be considering what 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:51.400 comes after it. So in your life, can you tell 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.840 me about something that has grown out of what you 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.560 might consider a personal disaster. Yeah, so I lost your 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:03.639 brother to leukemia when I was ten, and obviously that 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.080 was tragic for my whole family. Only until I became 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:09.960 a mother myself did I realize how it must have 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:17.159 affected my parents. But I do think somehow, and I 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:19.640 think it's partly the way that my mother explained death 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:23.280 to us, even though it was sad. Of course, my 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.360 mother wasn't like, she didn't lay all that heaviness on us, 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.440 and I think that I guess I started kind of 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:32.960 picturing him almost as like the rocket fuel that helped 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:36.840 launch me and my family. Really we were definitely, you know, 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.800 lower class, and so we didn't do a lot of philanthropy. 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:43.119 But because of that loss of my brother, my mom 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:45.359 you know, did bake sales or she started at dance 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.760 marathon where we'd raised two hundred dollars. But it it 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.520 showed me that even though you don't have a lot, 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:54.640 you can still be philanthropic, and it kind of started 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:59.440 me being interested in philanthropy. M I'm so sorry that 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.960 you ship rather how awful, how awful for your mama. 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.280 I remember when I had my son, I was like, 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:06.960 oh my mom, and I'm like Okay, how did you 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.679 do it? And she said, I had three other kids. 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.359 She's like, you guys were all looking at me, like 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.840 what's for breakfast? And how should we feel? And so 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:19.000