Speaker 1: Since lockdown. My son said, please, can we go to England?
Speaker 1: And we only meant to come till Christmas, and then
Speaker 1: he said, can I finish at the school year here?
Speaker 1: Did you have your kids back with you? Were you
Speaker 1: all together? Yeah? That was also a blessing because my
Speaker 1: kids are twenty one in nineteen, and they're at the
Speaker 1: ages where they would be, you know, off doing their
Speaker 1: own thing. Especially my daughter was you know fully launched,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden she had no work,
Speaker 1: so she was back here and I think she fostered
Speaker 1: five puppies and then finally the fifth one stuck, so
Speaker 1: and then she got another one. So we have like
Speaker 1: four dogs now, which is crazy because I didn't grow
Speaker 1: up with dogs, and I'm not ever the person you
Speaker 1: would have thought would have four dogs. Hello, I'm Mini
Speaker 1: Driver and welcome to many questions. I've always loved Priest
Speaker 1: question app. It was originally an eighteenth century poly game
Speaker 1: meant to reveal an individual's true nature, but with so
Speaker 1: many questions, there wasn't really an opportunity to expand on anything.
Speaker 1: So I took the format of Proof's questionnaire and adapted
Speaker 1: what I think are seven of the most important questions
Speaker 1: you could ever ask someone they are when and where
Speaker 1: were you happiest? What is the quality you like least
Speaker 1: about yourself. What relationship, real or fictionalized, defines love for you?
Speaker 1: What question would you most like answered, What person, place,
Speaker 1: or experience has shaped you the most? What would be
Speaker 1: your last meal? And can you tell me something in
Speaker 1: your life that has grown out of a personal disaster.
Speaker 1: The more people we ask, the more we begin to
Speaker 1: see what makes us similar and what makes us individual.
Speaker 1: I've gathered a group of really remarkable people who I
Speaker 1: am honored and humbled to have had a chance to
Speaker 1: engage with. My guest today is Cindy Crawford. Cindy has
Speaker 1: been an iconic part of American culture since the early nineties,
Speaker 1: a supermodel, a business when, and a mother. It's really
Speaker 1: worth remembering that she was actually given a scholarship to
Speaker 1: Northwestern to study chemical engineering when finding great success as
Speaker 1: a model changed her career path entirely. She said to me,
Speaker 1: the good thing about having a brain is that you
Speaker 1: can take it with you. She's a woman very much
Speaker 1: in charge of her own narrative and the course that
Speaker 1: she charts, and it was a real pleasure getting to
Speaker 1: know her a little better and having the opportunity to chat. So,
Speaker 1: what person, place, or experience has most altered your life?
Speaker 1: I did home birth? Oh did he? Yes? Oh I tried.
Speaker 1: I tried. God tell me no, that's amazing. So in
Speaker 1: the beginning, right when I got pregnant, I was not
Speaker 1: planning on it. Both my sisters said had kids, they
Speaker 1: had epidurals. I was like, sign me up. That's the
Speaker 1: way you have kids. That's the modern way now. And
Speaker 1: then while I was pregnant, a friend of mine suggested
Speaker 1: I go to this premat or yoga class, and the
Speaker 1: woman who taught the class grew muke. She made me
Speaker 1: really look at when you're pregnant, you're not sick, you're
Speaker 1: actually super strong. And through some of the people in
Speaker 1: that class the idea of home birth, and I met
Speaker 1: a midwife and it just resonated with me. And I
Speaker 1: didn't put pressure on myself. My plan was just to
Speaker 1: stay at home as long as I could, and if
Speaker 1: I needed to go to the hospital, I would go.
Speaker 1: Wasn't like I'm going to stay home no matter what.
Speaker 1: And I think for me having that experience was very
Speaker 1: empowering because when you say to most women who are
Speaker 1: like who delivered your baby, They're like dr so, and
Speaker 1: so I'm like I did. My midwife was there, she
Speaker 1: was the assist, yes, and you know, my husband was there.
Speaker 1: But I felt so empowered afterwards, and I felt like
Speaker 1: doing that even like right after my son was born,
Speaker 1: I was like wow. I mean, of course I was
Speaker 1: holding my baby and so happy for that, but I
Speaker 1: was also like, you are amazing. You did that. And
Speaker 1: that was like my first other than being pregnant and
Speaker 1: there's all you know, you're saying to your baby and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, But that was like my first act
Speaker 1: as a mother, and I felt so strong and empowered
Speaker 1: that I think that it helped me. Like I came
Speaker 1: at it from a place of like I've got this.
Speaker 1: It's so great. It's such a brilliant place to begin
Speaker 1: that extraordinary journey. There's something that brings it into focus
Speaker 1: of our strength, a superhuman strength in growing and birthing
Speaker 1: a baby. It's magical, Yeah, because I never really understood
Speaker 1: how tough I was before that. Really, Yeah, especially like
Speaker 1: in that visceral physical I mean, it hurts having a
Speaker 1: baby's for sure, and I just I didn't come from
Speaker 1: silver spoon. But like my life in my twenties was
Speaker 1: very pampered, flying on the concorde and people doing my
Speaker 1: nails and hair and makeup and handing me dresses and
Speaker 1: get machinos or whatever. And then that just put me right.
Speaker 1: It's like as raw of an experience as I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it levels you, It really does. It levels you.
Speaker 1: And again I think it takes off unnecessary corners that
Speaker 1: one might have as a person and really shapes you.
Speaker 1: My mom always said, she was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: about reincarnation, but I know we live about a thousand
Speaker 1: different lives in this one. Yeah, and this is a
Speaker 1: tricky question of where and when were you happiest because
Speaker 1: there are many different, many different lives that you've had.
Speaker 1: But can you think of what that would be? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think today, but if you asked me tomorrow,
Speaker 1: I would say that day. It's funny. There's a homeopathic
Speaker 1: doctor out here that I see and I adore. He's
Speaker 1: like a therapist and homeopathic doctor. And one of his
Speaker 1: questions he asked is, on a scale of one to ten,
Speaker 1: rate yourself on happiness. And I always laugh because I'm like,
Speaker 1: but that's not my goal. I'm way more interested in
Speaker 1: just being present what is the moment, offering and meeting
Speaker 1: that moment. So if it's sadness, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be happy in a sad moment. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be happy in a serious moment. I just want to
Speaker 1: be present. I guess what makes me happiest is being present.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, it totally does. I mean
Speaker 1: I think that if you can get that bird's eye
Speaker 1: view to see the panopoly of a life, happiness has
Speaker 1: its place. We put so much stake in it. It
Speaker 1: has such a premium, and the reality is we're not
Speaker 1: supposed to be happy all the time. We're happy all
Speaker 1: the time, we'll be extremely unmotivated, you know, I just
Speaker 1: stay in bed all day. We also would be completely,
Speaker 1: you know, tone deaf to anything that's going on around us.
Speaker 1: And it is interesting because like as mother's like, I
Speaker 1: just want my child to be happy, but the kid
Speaker 1: can't be happy all the time, and you've got to
Speaker 1: teach them how to be unhappy, how to be effectively
Speaker 1: unhappy in the world right, and that this too shall pass.
Speaker 1: And in that pain or you know, loneliness or whatever
Speaker 1: their experience, seeing there's a lesson and there's beauty, and
Speaker 1: then it also helps you appreciate the times where you
Speaker 1: really are just unburdened by any of that. Do you
Speaker 1: think that at times in your life when you've been unhappy,
Speaker 1: have you consciously mind for the things that will make
Speaker 1: you feel better or did you pretty early on become
Speaker 1: comfortable with just staying in whatever emotional state you were in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's been more developed. It's been a while
Speaker 1: where I feel like I don't put that pressure on
Speaker 1: myself to be happy every day. So if I'm not happy,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm depressed or it's a bad day.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I talked about this recently,
Speaker 1: I did this talk for like the Vatican Conference with
Speaker 1: a friend of mine who's a doctor, and we were
Speaker 1: talking about health and mental health, and I think one
Speaker 1: of the things I've learned to do effectively is in
Speaker 1: the way I described it to him, was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: whatever you're worrying about, whatever burden you're carrying around, just
Speaker 1: put it own at night, get in bed and put
Speaker 1: it to bed, put it in God's hands. Wherever you
Speaker 1: want to put it. You can pick it up in
Speaker 1: the morning. But you've got to like give yourself a
Speaker 1: break from it. That's such great advice. I tell my son,
Speaker 1: just don't let it drive the bus at nighttime. Put
Speaker 1: it in the back of the bus with the luggage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Or I would even get it off the bus. I'd
Speaker 1: get on a different bus for the night. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Like a lot of times you wake up
Speaker 1: and you realize, oh, it's not quite as heavy as
Speaker 1: it felt yesterday, or somehow it resolves on its own.
Speaker 1: I'm the type of person like that thing when someone
Speaker 1: calls you and they're like or text you, please call
Speaker 1: me back, Like my brain instantly goes to like the
Speaker 1: worst thing possible, and then you call them back and
Speaker 1: you're like, they're like something silly. I don't know why
Speaker 1: our human brains do that. So I'm like the type.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta call them back right away because
Speaker 1: I don't want to worry about this any longer than
Speaker 1: I have to. It takes so much more energy worrying
Speaker 1: than it is letting it go. You're right, I don't
Speaker 1: know why the human brain does it either. The monkey mind. Yes,
Speaker 1: maybe it's there so that we can choose something else
Speaker 1: and that we didn't have that dissonance, we wouldn't choose
Speaker 1: something else. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of my philosophy on
Speaker 1: happiness in general. I like it. It's good. It's stoic.
Speaker 1: Actually it's stoic, and it's absolutely right. Just be present
Speaker 1: in this decade that we're in. I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the real gifts, is being able to examine the
Speaker 1: things that work and the things that are still tricky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean, look, there's some things about getting older
Speaker 1: that aren't great, but I think that is really one
Speaker 1: of the things I've noticed in myself and my friends
Speaker 1: and my sisters is with age, you do kind of
Speaker 1: know yourself, even your flaws, and you're hopefully you can
Speaker 1: even learn to be accepting of those as well, like
Speaker 1: the way that we view our friends through that lens
Speaker 1: of like, oh she's this, but I love her anyway,
Speaker 1: or the way you know, if we can learn to
Speaker 1: love ourselves in that way too, with all of our
Speaker 1: flaws and imperfections, but also with all of our wisdom
Speaker 1: and experience, that I think is a kind and graceful
Speaker 1: way to age. I couldn't agree with you more. I mean,
Speaker 1: wisdom and grace doesn't get enough play. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: what relationship, real or fictionalized, defines love for you. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many different kinds of love. I mean what
Speaker 1: comes to mind is mother to child and that unconditional love.
Speaker 1: And I feel very blessed that I had that from
Speaker 1: my own mother. So having that gave me confidence to
Speaker 1: become a mother myself and feeling like I would be
Speaker 1: able to give that to my own children. But also
Speaker 1: I mean romantic love, and romantic love that turns into
Speaker 1: a twenty three year marriage. Obviously it grows in changes.
Speaker 1: But I think for me in terms of romantic love,
Speaker 1: what I'm really looking for to be known right, Like
Speaker 1: to be seen and not just the pretty sides, not
Speaker 1: just a polite sides, Like I don't mind that part
Speaker 1: of a relationship where it's a little bit scrappy and
Speaker 1: vulnerable and roll up your sleeves and let's get into it.
Speaker 1: By being able to be vulnerable with someone and them
Speaker 1: still loving you like, that's a great gift. Did that
Speaker 1: take a minute to work out? Because I mean, I've
Speaker 1: got to say you are beloved by an awful lot
Speaker 1: of people. I mean, for everything that has come after
Speaker 1: coining the phrase supermodel. How is that when you are
Speaker 1: basically loved for how incredibly beautiful you are, how does
Speaker 1: that sense of self grow be like beyond that? Because
Speaker 1: it's it's true you were growing up in front of everybody,
Speaker 1: and you're received and held in a very particular regard.
Speaker 1: It must make you question what what it is people
Speaker 1: love about you? Well, it's certainly it puts a pressure
Speaker 1: on you, like to be Cindy Crawford, like to deliver that,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean. It's like, okay, well
Speaker 1: I'm doing this thing, Cindy Crawford, better show up. And
Speaker 1: I'm not always in the mood to be Cindy Crawford, right,
Speaker 1: But that's a thing. I mean, it's it's an aspect
Speaker 1: of who I am. But you know, at home, I'm
Speaker 1: a very different person. And fortunately my husband he likes
Speaker 1: me no makeup, you know, jeans and a T shirt
Speaker 1: like that's his favorite. And I think realizing that, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of me in my most raw self is what
Speaker 1: my family loves and help me realize like that's the
Speaker 1: truth of my life. And this other thing, which is
Speaker 1: super fun and you know, we play with at times,
Speaker 1: and I've been able to take that and you know,
Speaker 1: use it as a platform with a skin care line
Speaker 1: or with my philanthropy whatever. And I feel, especially you know,
Speaker 1: as I get older, some of me wants to just
Speaker 1: like check out and be like, Okay, I'm done with
Speaker 1: that whole thing. But I also feel some respond stability
Speaker 1: to women who are my age that have been following
Speaker 1: me for thirty five years or whatever. I don't want
Speaker 1: to tell them like, okay, ladies, now it's time for
Speaker 1: all of us to be invisible. Even though sometimes I
Speaker 1: might not want to do the photo shoot or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm like, but is this helping women see their beauty
Speaker 1: and the beauty of age in a way? And like,
Speaker 1: I just did a photo shoot and it's funny. I
Speaker 1: did it for Brazilian Vogue and it was with these
Speaker 1: photographers who adored I had never worked with them before,
Speaker 1: but I knew their work and the pictures were kind
Speaker 1: of like sexy. But I was like, look, they can't
Speaker 1: be coy at all. I'm fifty five. I'm not coy,
Speaker 1: like that can't It's not that kind of sexy that
Speaker 1: works at twenty or twenty five. And I don't even
Speaker 1: feel that, like I don't even that would be so
Speaker 1: inauthentic to the pictures. I'm like they hadn't really thought
Speaker 1: about it that way, and it was fun, like us
Speaker 1: working out together what that means? You know, It's not like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm holding up a sheet and I'm who you know,
Speaker 1: That's not who I am at this point in my life,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I'm fascinating conselte people
Speaker 1: who are on an academic path who make this you
Speaker 1: turn into whatever this world that we live in. And
Speaker 1: I wondered, did you have to find like a new
Speaker 1: fuel like when you had this idea. I mean, Northwestern
Speaker 1: is not to be sniffed out like that's it's an
Speaker 1: amazing school. And if you have a really good brain,
Speaker 1: did you find this whole new career in this whole
Speaker 1: new world? Did you find it as you went along
Speaker 1: or did you suddenly think that something had been switched
Speaker 1: on in you? I think growing up, you know, blue
Speaker 1: collar and not having money, like always motivated in a
Speaker 1: very different way than for instance, my daughter is. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't like an esoteric decision about modeling. It was
Speaker 1: like what it pays this much? You know? And the
Speaker 1: great thing about a brain as it comes with you
Speaker 1: so even having an academic brain, I just kind of
Speaker 1: looked at modeling that way. I brought that with me.
Speaker 1: I learned, I absorbed. I paid attention to all the
Speaker 1: creatives that I was around, and it was actually really
Speaker 1: good for me because I remember my mother. My mother
Speaker 1: was a very young mother. She got pregnant with my
Speaker 1: sister when she was sixteen, and so I had my
Speaker 1: sister when she was seventeen, me when she was nineteen,
Speaker 1: two more kids by the time she was twenty three.
Speaker 1: So and my mom was a great mom, but I
Speaker 1: think there was a part of her that was creative
Speaker 1: and she never had found an outlet for it. She
Speaker 1: used to do these paintings on our sheets and pillows,
Speaker 1: she decorated like the part that you saw, like the edge,
Speaker 1: and I think because she didn't have that place to
Speaker 1: be creative really and and get accolades for it, somehow
Speaker 1: I got the message that I wasn't creative, and it's
Speaker 1: a weird thing for a kid to feel. I guess
Speaker 1: in a weird way, I was just like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not good at art, or i'm not good at this,
Speaker 1: or so I didn't have a comfortable place to express
Speaker 1: my creativity. So I was very comfortable with calculus and
Speaker 1: you know, things that where you could add up the
Speaker 1: numbers and you always got the same answer, whereas creative
Speaker 1: writing or even Spanish things that were less concrete and
Speaker 1: tangible were more intimidating to me. And then I got
Speaker 1: in this, you know I called the fabulous world of fashion,
Speaker 1: and I'm surrounded by creatives and saying, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: I am creative in the way that I'm creative. I mean,
Speaker 1: we all are creative, absolutely absolutely. It's the way that
Speaker 1: school kind of tries to pigeonhole you into, oh you're
Speaker 1: an art kid or your theater kid, or you're a
Speaker 1: football kid. But even a lot of the best athletes,
Speaker 1: the way they approached the game is creatively. I mean.
Speaker 1: And don't I think that modeling actually helped me tap
Speaker 1: into the creative side of my brain, But of course
Speaker 1: I still had like that analytical side as well. Was
Speaker 1: probably really good but probably really protected you. So I
Speaker 1: love what you said about how your brain goes with you.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that, but yeah, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just maybe lighting up different parts, you know. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you feel quite practical about your evolution? Like it seems
Speaker 1: to me that you're extremely practical about it. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well this is this is what's happening now, I am
Speaker 1: now this person. Do you find that emotionally those parts
Speaker 1: of yourself evolve as well? Someone said to me recently,
Speaker 1: and this, really I think we'll answer it is that
Speaker 1: when they have anxiety, it's when their actions aren't aligning
Speaker 1: with their sole purpose. So whenever they have anxiety, they
Speaker 1: look at like, Okay, what am I doing? That isn't authentic?
Speaker 1: But I think to your question, it's not that I'm
Speaker 1: so practical about it, just like it's my body just
Speaker 1: knows it doesn't feel right, and it's like, oh like,
Speaker 1: I like, this feels yucky. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: portray especially I'm not an actress, so I'm only portraying
Speaker 1: a version of me. It's interesting. It dove tails back
Speaker 1: into that notion of presence, and in order to know yourself,
Speaker 1: you have to remain extremely present in each age of
Speaker 1: your life, in each moment of your life, and so
Speaker 1: you can be ruthless with being able to smell inauthenticity.
Speaker 1: I suppose I go at school, but it's not for me, right,
Speaker 1: not for me today or maybe ever again. And I
Speaker 1: think that's part of the reason that my career has
Speaker 1: lasted as long as it has and has evolved. When
Speaker 1: I had kids, I did stuff with like a baby company,
Speaker 1: and then as my skin started aging, I launched it.
Speaker 1: Well we called it age maintenance, but somehow that isn't
Speaker 1: as sexy as anti aging, but age maintenance, like, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty happy with that. Age maintenance is wearing like a
Speaker 1: boiler suit and is busy. Yeah. Well, and also it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, look, I can't erase time and we're
Speaker 1: all aging, but I can take care of myself as
Speaker 1: I age, and that to me is like realistic. But
Speaker 1: somehow it doesn't have the ring of anti age jan
Speaker 1: which we all know who can anti age like you can't,
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's really good marketing because at something
Speaker 1: you're definitely against it and being against aging, but I'm
Speaker 1: always like, it's better than the alternative. You know, I
Speaker 1: can't agree with you more. What would be your last meal?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I love food, but I think it would
Speaker 1: be more about like a shared meal, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like me sitting alone eating anything would
Speaker 1: yeah be good? Like I've had very nice. You know,
Speaker 1: room service by myself around the world. But I think
Speaker 1: that room service by myself might be my new last meal.
Speaker 1: Actually that is really funny. Room service by myself. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I do love sometimes, especially when my
Speaker 1: kids real little. I loved being in a hotel room,
Speaker 1: vine able to take a long bath or whatever. But
Speaker 1: I think now any meal shared with friends or even
Speaker 1: like now my children's friends, where sometimes my husband and
Speaker 1: I notice ourselves at the grown up table, you know,
Speaker 1: we have to step back and let the young people
Speaker 1: talk about just being around that kind of energy and
Speaker 1: ideas and the way they think about the world. I
Speaker 1: just feel so energized being around them too, because you
Speaker 1: just realize, well, you know, there's always this forward motion
Speaker 1: with thoughts and ideology, and you know, what is their normal,
Speaker 1: and it's it's interesting. That's cool. I like that your
Speaker 1: your last meal. You're also thinking about, you know, what's
Speaker 1: coming next, like what's happening, Like what's the evolution of this?
Speaker 1: Like that's very cool to be what some people would
Speaker 1: think of as an ending point and be considering what
Speaker 1: comes after it. So in your life, can you tell
Speaker 1: me about something that has grown out of what you
Speaker 1: might consider a personal disaster. Yeah, so I lost your
Speaker 1: brother to leukemia when I was ten, and obviously that
Speaker 1: was tragic for my whole family. Only until I became
Speaker 1: a mother myself did I realize how it must have
Speaker 1: affected my parents. But I do think somehow, and I
Speaker 1: think it's partly the way that my mother explained death
Speaker 1: to us, even though it was sad. Of course, my
Speaker 1: mother wasn't like, she didn't lay all that heaviness on us,
Speaker 1: and I think that I guess I started kind of
Speaker 1: picturing him almost as like the rocket fuel that helped
Speaker 1: launch me and my family. Really we were definitely, you know,
Speaker 1: lower class, and so we didn't do a lot of philanthropy.
Speaker 1: But because of that loss of my brother, my mom
Speaker 1: you know, did bake sales or she started at dance
Speaker 1: marathon where we'd raised two hundred dollars. But it it
Speaker 1: showed me that even though you don't have a lot,
Speaker 1: you can still be philanthropic, and it kind of started
Speaker 1: me being interested in philanthropy. M I'm so sorry that
Speaker 1: you ship rather how awful, how awful for your mama.
Speaker 1: I remember when I had my son, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my mom, and I'm like Okay, how did you
Speaker 1: do it? And she said, I had three other kids.
Speaker 1: She's like, you guys were all looking at me, like
Speaker 1: what's for breakfast? And how should we feel? And so
Speaker 1: she just had to to do it. It's really great
Speaker 1: hearing that when you just said, very plainly, when she
Speaker 1: talked to us about death, we don't talk about it.
Speaker 1: We just don't. Whether it's that we're frightened of it
Speaker 1: happening to someone that we love or ourselves, we don't
Speaker 1: have any tools with which to deal with it. And
Speaker 1: actually it is. It is the biggest part of life
Speaker 1: other than life itself. And I don't know. In this
Speaker 1: grieving process that I'm in right now, I realized that
Speaker 1: my conversations before I knew that my mom was sick,
Speaker 1: that we had about death throughout my life was so
Speaker 1: helpful and so brilliant and so robust and actually gave
Speaker 1: me a framework to now be in this grief and
Speaker 1: to at least it's so important. Yes, because I remember
Speaker 1: going back to school after my my brother died in
Speaker 1: like no one knew what to say to me. Right
Speaker 1: It was like because the kids were so they knew
Speaker 1: something bad had happened, but they didn't know how to
Speaker 1: approach me. And you know, Randy and I've lost a
Speaker 1: few friends that our kids were close to. And I
Speaker 1: remember calling a therapist and saying, like, how do I
Speaker 1: talk to my kids about this? And she gave me
Speaker 1: some very good advice because the kids don't even know
Speaker 1: how to feel, so you tell them ahead of time,
Speaker 1: like you broadcasted that that to them, like I have
Speaker 1: some very sad news because I don't know, like death,
Speaker 1: how am I supposed to feel? It's weird and they
Speaker 1: get uncomfortable. So you say some very sad news and
Speaker 1: then we say our friend and then you say died.
Speaker 1: You don't say passed away or you've got to be
Speaker 1: clear to kids. And then she just said, if you
Speaker 1: have any questions, you can ask them and only answer
Speaker 1: the questions they asked like they're processing. And all of
Speaker 1: that helped us because if you years later, my husband's
Speaker 1: father died, and so again we had had these like
Speaker 1: little baby levels of talking about death and law, so
Speaker 1: that when they really lost their grandpa, who they were
Speaker 1: very close to, we had some experience with, you know,
Speaker 1: navigating that. Yeah, I feel like there should be closest
Speaker 1: in school. I feel like it shouldn't be the taboo
Speaker 1: that it is, I know, And there's something incredibly beautiful
Speaker 1: and empowering about not being frightened of it as well. No, exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, I just lost my grandmother at age, and
Speaker 1: I mean she had an amazing life. She died peacefully,
Speaker 1: and even to be able to talk about that, like
Speaker 1: she was ready, I think she was ready. She was tired,
Speaker 1: but like some people don't even know what to say
Speaker 1: about that, and it's like, no, she was awesome. I'll
Speaker 1: let me tell you about her, you know that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. It's really nice when you get to talk
Speaker 1: about them. That's the piece that I like. And it
Speaker 1: also is it's a way out of just being sad
Speaker 1: or crying. It's actually it feels so much more creative
Speaker 1: of and so much more in line with who that
Speaker 1: person was to talk about them. I found that helps.
Speaker 1: Talking about my mom is telling a story about her,
Speaker 1: as opposed to saying how much I miss or I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that somebody else. Mrs Herbert, it's good, it's good
Speaker 1: to talk. Yeah, And that's how it really, you know,
Speaker 1: And again, like everyone's beliefs are different, but in that way,
Speaker 1: they really are still here. You know because the stories
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