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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're gonna get right into it this today.

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Speaker 1: What was brought to our attention, what we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about is something called the Los Angeles County Equity

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Speaker 1: Oversight Panel. Can you imagine that's the thing in that

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Speaker 1: damn word equity, which we've been dealing with now for

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Speaker 1: too many years. I don't know when it was formed,

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Speaker 1: but apparently it's being used by the LA County District Attorney,

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Speaker 1: George Gascon to go after the critics within his own department. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this panel investigates complaints, so to speak, and then it's

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Speaker 1: turned over back to the DA's office and he sometimes

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Speaker 1: comes back with a punishment, like a suspension.

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Speaker 2: He uses it to go after his critics. And that's

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Speaker 2: the only purpose of this oversight committee. It's cover and

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Speaker 2: in the Soviet Union and in Communist China, they have

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Speaker 2: these kinds of panels commissions, and what they do is

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Speaker 2: they police speech and they police conversation, and they have

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Speaker 2: a citizens snitch on one another, workers snitch on one another,

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Speaker 2: and when anybody says anything that's outside the party rules,

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Speaker 2: then you appear before the committee and they issue a punishment.

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Speaker 2: So this is what gascone is imposed. It's exactly the

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Speaker 2: same mechanism that the Soviets and that the Communist Chinese used.

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Speaker 1: Well, it just to keep order. Our guest is La

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Speaker 1: County Deputy District Attorney Shay Senna, who finds himself suspended

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Speaker 1: once again, and I guess the investigation was done by

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Speaker 1: this panel. He has given a ten days suspension and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the details of this and

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Speaker 1: what Gascon is up to this time by getting Shay

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Speaker 1: back on the show. Shay Santa, welcome, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Thank you for having me back.

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Speaker 1: Well, my first question is how long has this panel

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Speaker 1: been around.

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Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure. A few years, and it's through

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Speaker 3: the county.

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Speaker 1: The La County, right is Lat's equity Oversight panel and

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Speaker 1: then they investigate these complaints and then they turned something

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Speaker 1: over to like Gascon's office and he decides what to

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Speaker 1: do with their conclusions. I suppose, Yes, what's the complaint?

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Speaker 3: So the complaint is that, when referring to a brutal

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Speaker 3: strong arm robbery where three individuals go into a mini

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Speaker 3: they started attacking him every time he turned his back

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Speaker 3: to attack him, potentially drug him out of the store,

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Speaker 3: stomped him out, stole his backpack containing his necessary medical

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Speaker 3: supplies because he did have a disability. And when referring

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Speaker 3: to the attack, I allegedly said that the attack was

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Speaker 3: like a pack of hyenas, and that was taken out

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Speaker 3: out of context. Gascon's top special advisor at the time,

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Speaker 3: Alyssa Blair, filed an equity complaint. She's the same person

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Speaker 3: who filed the equity complaint against me from misgendering James Tubbs.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they did. Yeah, that was your other suspension, right right.

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Speaker 3: So they did it eight months after that case, the

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Speaker 3: strong um robbery case had settled, So they waited eight

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Speaker 3: this equity complaint, and then they waited. Well, it's just

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Speaker 1: Say, where did they dig this comment up that you

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Speaker 1: supposedly made about hyenas. Where did they find that? Were

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Speaker 3: Or so. I also handled the case where a hit

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Speaker 3: pushing a stroller. Oh we know that one, well, right, Yes,

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Speaker 3: I handled that case. That case went viral and the

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Speaker 3: media really started publicizing it on June fourth, and then

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Speaker 3: I gave public statements on June sixteenth about how Gascon's

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Speaker 3: who murdered theirs two Amanti police officers, And that was

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Speaker 3: on June sixteenth. Then on June twenty fourth, Alyssa. Blair

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Speaker 3: filed this equity complaint. And the defense attorney on the

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Speaker 3: that strong arm robbery case. Oh but the strong arm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were. They were digging to find anything they

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Speaker 2: The whole thing is set up. I have no idea

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Speaker 3: Well they were saying is dehumanizing to describe the conduct

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Speaker 3: Right, and dragging him out of them anymore. And every

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Speaker 3: the victim attacksing. Yeah, you know, this.

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Speaker 2: Is you know, it's almost pointless to discuss the actual

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Speaker 2: language used or the context, because that's not the point.

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Speaker 2: The point is that you are criticizing George Gascon in

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Speaker 2: public about these high profile cases, and he is guilty.

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Speaker 2: He is responsible for a lot of these crimes and

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Speaker 2: a lot of the suffering that the victims go through

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Speaker 2: because of his policies, and you keep pointing it out

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Speaker 2: in public. So this is retaliation. This is to make

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Speaker 2: your life miserable and warn every other employee in the

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Speaker 2: DA's office no more public criticism and criticism of guests

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Speaker 2: going We're not tolerating it.

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Speaker 1: We'll we'll try to destroy your life.

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Speaker 3: Correct and very convenient that the investigation was concluded months

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Speaker 3: ago and they've been sitting on it. But last Sunday

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Speaker 3: Lly County. Two days later with the suspension, So as

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Speaker 3: soon that I made a public comment endorsing some.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 2: I would assume what they have is a file on

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Speaker 2: you and a number of other attorneys have gone public

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Speaker 2: and what they've done is collected all kinds of private comments, jokes, discussions.

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Speaker 2: They've do their lawyer magic to take things out of context,

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Speaker 2: twisted around, and they have ammunition ready to go against

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Speaker 2: anybody who says anything that got about gas going, especially

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Speaker 2: with an election year coming up very soon, that this

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Speaker 2: shut down public discussion of guest cones horrendous record, and

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Speaker 2: they do this. They do this on purpose. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: they've had many meetings, brainstorming sessions. What can we get

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Speaker 2: on him, what can we twist? That's what they do.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure you're right. But if they think that

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Speaker 3: by trying to bully me, or intimidate me or suspend

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Speaker 3: me is going to get me to be quiet, they're wrong.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna call them out more and make it

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Speaker 3: him on blasts for the lies and all the misstatements

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Speaker 3: and false representations, and then I'm gonna hold them accountable.

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Speaker 3: You have a bunch of inexperienced public defenders and attorneys

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Speaker 3: at top management. George Gascon has never tried a case,

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Speaker 3: and now he's trying to play games and ruin the

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Speaker 3: reputations of hard working public servants that have years of experience.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that's a fight he wants to pick.

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Speaker 2: Now, No, it's you know, he wants to go to war,

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Speaker 2: then all the other deputy das have to go to

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Speaker 3: Right right, And that's what it comes to, because when

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Speaker 3: he's lying and filing these false complaints and then suspending

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Speaker 3: das and trying to ruin their reputations which been built

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Speaker 3: over thirty years, we gotta fight back.

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Speaker 1: And this La County Equity Oversight Panel, that's the group

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Speaker 1: he uses, says here. It's made up of employment law

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Speaker 1: experts or review complaints against employees. That's what he's using

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Speaker 1: a sort of cover to retell what he does.

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Speaker 3: What he does is he has his top advisors, his

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Speaker 3: special advisors and his chiefest staff and actually Sharon Wu

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Speaker 3: the second in charge of her office, she is the

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Speaker 3: one who filed the first complaint. So the chief deputy

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Speaker 3: filed the first complaint about me misgendering tubs. So he

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Speaker 3: has his top people use the county weaponize the county's

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Speaker 3: morte equity so it looks independent. And then when they

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Speaker 3: come back and say, hey, we don't really find anything,

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe violated a DA policy, then they dropped

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Speaker 3: the hammer and claim in public that it was in

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Speaker 3: an independent investigation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't exactly.

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Speaker 2: Well then, because these equity overside panels, they're they're designed

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Speaker 2: in order to trap enemies and destroy them. That's the

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Speaker 2: whole purpose of it that they they've got, They've got

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Speaker 2: no noble issue that they're actually fighting with these it's

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Speaker 2: about destroying critics. And you come up with some beautiful,

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Speaker 2: woke term like equity overside panel to make it sound

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Speaker 2: like they're doing something righteous.

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Speaker 1: No they're not. It's just all an old fashioned retaliation panel.

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Speaker 1: That's all.

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Speaker 3: Gon's case. All he's doing is taking the side of

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Speaker 3: the criminals once again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right. And you were trying to take the

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Speaker 1: side of the victim. That's exactly how this office works. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he would have been great. He goes after you for

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Speaker 1: criticizing the criminals, the attackers. Yeah, his actions are released.

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Speaker 2: These criminals and they're going out to kill and anybody

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Speaker 2: who points that out gets the Equity Overside Panel sicked

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Speaker 2: on him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is.

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Speaker 2: Gross stuff, This is despicable stuff. But he's a despicable man.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the worst public figures I've ever seen

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Speaker 2: in my life.

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Speaker 1: Well, challengers are lining up, so hopefully next year we

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Speaker 1: can knock them out of office. Shay, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for coming on. We're sorry about your suspension, but

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Speaker 1: keep fighting the good fight.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's La County Deputy District Attorney Shay Senna,

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Speaker 1: who's been suspended again by George Gascone's office. They are

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Speaker 1: using something called the Eli County Equity Oversight Panel to

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Speaker 1: investigate complaints that actually come from Gascon's minions and distort

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Speaker 1: them into something. In this case, he's racist because he

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Speaker 1: called them the attackers. Hyenas Shane, ten days, you're out.

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Speaker 1: Shay Senna is one of the good guys.

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Speaker 2: He's what a prosecutor ought to be just like all

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Speaker 2: the other prosecutors are coming.

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Speaker 1: Are super good guy because he's gone public. There's many

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Speaker 1: many depths are really good guys. They're not going as

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Speaker 1: public as a small handful that we talk to regularly

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Speaker 2: No, there's paperwork when when you get divorced and it

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Speaker 2: He claimed he couldn't locate her, but Gus found her

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Speaker 1: I didn't say it was bogus. I just said that

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Speaker 2: And it was affordable housing projects. And what he was

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Speaker 1: Oh okay. Price's reputation is on the line following these

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Speaker 2: Well, no, he only got into politics in order to

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Speaker 1: That's why he got into it. They're right, has popped.

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Speaker 2: Well, they elected a corrupt representative. It's amazing how many

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Speaker 2: manipulative council people. It is a council of clowns and

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Speaker 1: They're trying to determine whether or not they're going to

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Speaker 1: this at three to five with Daniel Guss and the

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Speaker 2: That's what's fascinating, He wrote about it looks like about

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Speaker 1: And the La Times almost nothing. You got more coming up,

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Speaker 1: Well, the whole Trump media circus in Florida is over

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Speaker 1: You know they're at the election.

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Speaker 2: He's got he's got six cases waiting for him.

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Speaker 1: Are they all federal or they their state? They're they're

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Speaker 2: There's there's a there's the one in New York City

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Speaker 1: Well. To his supporters, that just proves their case the

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Speaker 1: And they think the key here, though, is the parent

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Speaker 2: we'll just let them live their lives. You don't have

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Speaker 2: to put a label on them. You don't have to

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Speaker 2: start giving them treatments and therapies and drugs. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: This is completely uncharted, unproven territory. There's no consensus on

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Speaker 2: it other than among activists.

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Speaker 1: I read a pretty good column. We're trying to get

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Speaker 1: the guy on the air. He's a gay man, and

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Speaker 1: he said, you know the way things are being interpreted today,

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Speaker 1: trans thing has become the story of Pride Month. He said,

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Speaker 1: you know, as a kid, I had tendencies where I

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Speaker 1: seemed feminine. Would there be somebody that would say, well,

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Speaker 1: we should have transitioned you to a girl? But he

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Speaker 1: goes as gay man. I wanted to stay a man,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want anybody to jump that decision.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, I read that

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Speaker 2: guy's piece, and that crystallize my thinking on this. And

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Speaker 2: I read some other people as well, who said this

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Speaker 2: is not what you want to do to kids, because

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Speaker 2: nobody really knows what's going on, And doctors say this too.

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Speaker 1: How young are they pushing for this, do you know?

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Speaker 1: I mean I've seen some ages like twelve, What is

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Speaker 1: it even younger than that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is younger than that. It depends on the

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Speaker 2: hysteria of the parent. And it depends if one of

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Speaker 2: these activists gets involved.

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Speaker 1: Now and.

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Speaker 2: There is such a desire for people to be part

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Speaker 2: of this movement and it gives them some kind of

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Speaker 2: social standing. It's because they believe, and they've exaggerated this,

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Speaker 2: that there are many people that because the societal norms

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Speaker 2: have been suppressed for being their two selves, even at

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Speaker 2: a younger that that's a great theory and they need

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Speaker 2: this freedom. That that's a great theory. There's no proof

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Speaker 2: of that. What what everyone knows though, is there can

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Speaker 2: be you can suggest a kid and get him to

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Speaker 2: believe things about himself which may not be true. That

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Speaker 2: is obvious. We we indoctrinate kids with religion all the time.

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Speaker 1: The reason we have to stop at the edge of

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Speaker 1: this cliff is because you start getting involved in things

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Speaker 1: like puberty blockers. Now you're really talking serious medical stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, that's really that's really sick.

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Speaker 2: And if I'm a father and and and my ex

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Speaker 2: wife wants to feed my son puberty blockers because he

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Speaker 2: seems a little effeminate, and I don't have the right.

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Speaker 1: To question that.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I should block that. I shouldn't have to

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Speaker 2: question it. It should never be done. You shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: giving puberty blockers to anybody for any reason ever.

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Speaker 1: That should be illegal, right, And this is where this

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Speaker 1: is gonna go. They'll go into child custody court. She'll

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Speaker 1: bring it her experts before judge. You'll have to bring

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Speaker 1: in your experts, and the judge have to figure out

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Speaker 1: it's this kid really maybe better off with the other

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Speaker 1: genderator or not? All right, we gotta take a break

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Speaker 1: when we come back. I did mention State Senator Scott

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Speaker 1: wilk from Santa Clarita Republican. We try to get him

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Speaker 1: on the show because he made some statements about this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Clearly he's not a big fan of Assembly Bill nine

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Speaker 1: five seven, and he talks will play some audio about

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Speaker 1: how maybe it's time for California parents to leave the state.

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Speaker 1: Johnny KENKFI AM six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app more

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're talking about a bill in Sacramento

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Speaker 1: known as Assembly Bill nine five seven. This one deals

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Speaker 1: with custody matters between two parents fighting over a child,

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Speaker 1: and they want to add gender identity affirmation into the

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Speaker 1: whole custody mess. The bill is co authored by state

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Speaker 1: Senator Scott Wiener. The primary author is assembly Woman Laurie Wilson,

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Speaker 1: a Democrat, and as you might suspect, she has a child.

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Speaker 1: As trends, here is part of what she said as

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Speaker 1: to why we need this legislation.

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Speaker 5: If you have a seven year old who's talking about

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Speaker 5: having a potential to say I being able to articulate

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Speaker 5: that they believe that they are not the same gender

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Speaker 5: as they are biologically, then it should be affirmed and

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Speaker 5: through care it should be determined. And that's what we

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Speaker 5: did with our own child, and that would give the

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Speaker 5: ability for a parent who wasn't sure to affirm and

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Speaker 5: get their child the care that they need to make

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Speaker 5: that so they can begin to articulate that determination. But

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Speaker 5: by saying and rejecting it in wholesale, then you're essentially

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Speaker 5: rejecting your child.

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Speaker 1: A seven year old. A seven year old, Now, that's

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Speaker 1: too young that you want. What the age is? You

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Speaker 1: know something, there's there is no limit to this stuff.

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Speaker 2: A seven year old is going to tell you that

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Speaker 2: they feel like a girl today and you're going to

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Speaker 2: take them to gender affirming care. Now, what do you

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Speaker 2: think the biases of all these alleged doctors and experts

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Speaker 2: and therapists. Their bias is oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: have You have a a transsexual here, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to have to give her or him gender affirming care.

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Speaker 2: You notice how they control the language. Oh yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: telling adopted terms already.

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Speaker 1: Language is everything because gives it the idea. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's set in stone. This is what it is. This

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Speaker 1: person belongs to the other gender.

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Speaker 2: You you grab these phrases in order to take control

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Speaker 2: of the issue and to intimidate other people from criticizing

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Speaker 2: it and questioning it. This is affirming, Oh, this is positive.

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Speaker 2: This is good. What's wrong with you? Are you a

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Speaker 2: gender denier? What is the opposite of affirm deny?

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Speaker 1: And this is what the child needs? What do you know? Well,

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Speaker 1: what do you know that? Really that is a crazy person.

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Speaker 1: Here is California State Senator Scott Wilke of Santa Clarita.

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Speaker 1: Now he's a Republican and as I mentioned, this bill

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Speaker 1: has already cleared a Senate committee, and he, uh, well,

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Speaker 1: he got really frustrated. Then this is what he said.

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Speaker 6: I'm now in year eleven in the state legislature, and

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Speaker 6: all the time we're proposing policies to protect children. After

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Speaker 6: eleven years, I've come to a conclusion that we need

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Speaker 6: to start protecting parents. That's just not happening. I've been

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Speaker 6: here witness a full frontal assault on charter schools, taking

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Speaker 6: away parents' choice and how their children can be educated,

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Speaker 6: to the detriment, particularly of children of color. In recent years,

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Speaker 6: we have put government bureaucrats between parents, children, and doctors

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Speaker 6: when it comes to medical care, and now we have

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Speaker 6: this where if a parent does not support the ideology

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Speaker 6: of the government, they're going to be taken away from

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Speaker 6: the home. Now I agree with both Senator Wiener and

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Speaker 6: Center Laird that today it only involves divorce proceedings, and

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Speaker 6: frankly a judge can already factor this in. But I

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Speaker 6: can assure you it's not going to end with divorce proceedings.

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Speaker 6: In the past, when we've had these discussions and I've

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Speaker 6: seen parental rights atrophied, I've encouraged people to keep fighting.

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Speaker 6: I've changed my mind on that if you love your children,

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Speaker 6: you need to flee California. You need to flee. We

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Speaker 6: are moving towards the pathway of the handsmade tail. California

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Speaker 6: is becoming the new Juliad and it just breaks my

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Speaker 6: born and raised in this state. I love this state.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to stay in this state because it's

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Speaker 6: just too oppressive and I believe in freedom, and so

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Speaker 6: I'm going to move to America when I leave the legislature.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is a bordergon, some kind of witchcraft.

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Speaker 2: You know what the end result here is is that

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Speaker 2: the child's body gets mutilated because eventually you have to

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Speaker 2: change their genitalia. And this will all start with a

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Speaker 2: child having a stray thought or a stray interest one

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Speaker 2: day and then some crazy parent acting on it, taking

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Speaker 2: you to gender affirming care. And then here comes the therapy,

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Speaker 2: which may just be brainwashing. Then comes the puberty blockers

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Speaker 2: and the hormones, and then comes the irreversible surgery. And

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Speaker 2: I cannot believe we're going to allow anybody to go

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Speaker 2: down this road. This is dangerous. You know that we

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Speaker 2: all program our children with all kinds of stuff, good

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Speaker 2: and bad.

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Speaker 1: Children believe they are whatever we tell them. It starts

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Speaker 1: with religion.

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Speaker 2: If you raise your kid Christian, he identifies as Christian,

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Speaker 2: raise him Jewish? He's a Jewish child. He says, yes,

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Speaker 2: that's what I am. Yes, that's what I am. And

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Speaker 2: so if you start saying, well, maybe you're a girl,

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Speaker 2: maybe I am a girl?

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Speaker 1: Can you manage a seven year old? He looks at

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Speaker 1: a dollar for five minutes like, well are you a girl?

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Speaker 3: Todd?

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Speaker 1: I don't know? Am I a girl? You're playing with

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Speaker 1: a dollar?

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Speaker 2: You might be a girl. Okay, I guess I'm a girl.

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Speaker 2: And next thing you know, he's getting gender affirming surgery.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is nuts, this is nuts. Children and

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Speaker 2: teenagers are so suggestible. I said this the other day,

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Speaker 2: and it's true. You can go look it up. There

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Speaker 2: are suicide clusters, there are anorexia clusters. It's driven often

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Speaker 2: by social media. When you see your peers, your friends

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Speaker 2: in the grasp of some psychological challenge, often you teenagers

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Speaker 2: start to think, well, I've got this too, I've got

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Speaker 2: the same issue. It's called a contagent, it's an emotional contagion,

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Speaker 2: and that is an element in this and many experts

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Speaker 2: inside this field say, yes, that is a real thing.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 1: for Trump now that he has officially appeared in court

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Speaker 1: with the charges against him over hanging on to classified documents.

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