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Speaker 1: was Tab. I'm not saying that because he's here. He

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Speaker 1: knows that I've told him. I've told people for years.

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Speaker 2: What's going Everybody, Welcome back to Inside American Soccer. I'm

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Speaker 2: your host, Tom Boger, joined as always by my friend

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Speaker 2: and one of the greatest players in US soccer history.

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Speaker 3: Veteran of three World Cups, Tab Roundless, and today we're

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Speaker 3: lucky to have another US soccer legend, also a veteran

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Speaker 3: of three World Cups, NCAA champion, MLS Champion, MLS MVP,

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Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer, most of all New Jersey Royalty.

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Speaker 3: Tony Miola is in the program here, Tony, Uncle t.

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 4: What's happening? Boys? Good to good to jump on with you, guys.

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Speaker 3: I'm just happier here. I mean I need to.

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Speaker 2: This is like in the NFL, there's a football Sean

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Speaker 2: McVay was known for having what they called it get

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Speaker 2: back coach. That's my role here on this entire show

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Speaker 2: is just to be the get back coach. Just get

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Speaker 2: out of your way. Let you guys cook.

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Speaker 3: But you run up up and down the sidelines, but

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Speaker 1: Look, I saw you play indoor, man, I don't know

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: Literally saw him playing like a couple of nights in him,

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Speaker 1: like we we at all star games and stuff. They

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Speaker 1: get together and they play. My man is ready to go.

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Speaker 1: It does if you need shingtguards, they're in the bag.

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Speaker 1: If it doesn't matter what the field is. He's got

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Speaker 1: all He's got all kinds of all kinds of boots

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Speaker 5: I didn't realize that. I didn't realize about the spin.

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Speaker 5: I saw him play a little bit at indoor down

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Speaker 5: here and uh at at Capelli, but I didn't realize

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Speaker 4: I call him Tommy spins skin.

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Speaker 3: These sins are calcified.

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Speaker 2: No, no, So I put together those games because because

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Speaker 2: I like love the community and try to put together

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Speaker 3: And Tony was like, you know, I'm gonna come. I'm

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Speaker 2: I don't want to play though I don't want to play,

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Speaker 2: you know, my back or my hit hamstringing my knee

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Speaker 2: was you know, every time you ask him, it was

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Speaker 2: to the right and Tony's just standing your goal and

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Speaker 2: just hitting side punts just.

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Speaker 3: A and I'm like to you, sure you don't want

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Speaker 2: I can't And then he turned around and just being

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Speaker 3: So that that hurt a little bit Tony.

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Speaker 1: There's no running in the side volley game, no risk

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Speaker 4: Listen.

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Speaker 5: One thing Tony doesn't have a problem with is hitting

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Speaker 5: a ball hard. I remember I was training at Giants

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Speaker 2: Then you you had to do fitness going all the

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Speaker 3: That's what friends did.

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Speaker 2: On this show, We're gonna hear to talk about Tony,

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Speaker 2: about the US men's national team, about goalkeeping, about everything.

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Speaker 3: Should we be worried at the World Cup about the

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Speaker 2: You've heard from Tabinhake enough on this what we think

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Speaker 2: is right now, we're gonna have Tony give his thoughts

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Speaker 2: And now we have another person, another another person to

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Speaker 2: maybe maybe we'll get some some some new insights in

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Speaker 2: those old days with Tony and Tab. But before we

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Speaker 2: that is royalty. So guys, what was it like when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I'll start you know when I when

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Speaker 1: But in our town, we everybody played the game. I

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Speaker 2: So like, a lot of it was more based on

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Speaker 3: It was. It was less time restrictive in a way,

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Speaker 2: Lot more of you guys just going down to a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no ask in your parents' permission because

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Speaker 1: There was nothing organized. You just knew that if the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think, you know, you think about it

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Speaker 5: when you're a kid, and Tony just mentioned about it

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Speaker 5: So if you lost the game, now you had to wait,

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Speaker 5: But for the guys that didn't do well, it was

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Speaker 2: and more than once. Is there any quick story that

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Speaker 6: It was also the fact that, you know.

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Speaker 2: With and listen for anybody to bring this to life

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Speaker 2: if you put him on the field, you know the

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Speaker 2: baseline of what you're get. So I think that that

439
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 2: makes for a reliable squad player, right top.

440
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it depends, and I agree with Tony

441
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 5: that you know, at this stage, how can you not

442
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 5: have him on the roster with the type.

443
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 6: Of season that he's having.

444
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 5: And you know, Tony said something really important, and that's trust,

445
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 5: and when you have a manager in.

446
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Speaker 6: The EPL, trust you week to week.

447
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,880
Speaker 5: I mean, if that doesn't say everything you need to hear,

448
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 5: you know, especially for us and for our country and

449
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,479
Speaker 5: the fact that it's not like we have twenty players

450
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Speaker 5: playing in the EPL. You know, we have a few,

451
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 5: and and he's doing well. So I would agree with that.

452
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 5: And I think Aaronson becomes you know, not a starter,

453
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 5: but but someone that will depend on the dynamics of

454
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Speaker 5: a particular game. I don't think he's a half field player.

455
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 5: So if you're dominating the game, you certainly have other

456
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 5: guys that can break the game down a little bit

457
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,880
Speaker 5: better than he can. But you know what, if you're

458
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 5: taking a little bit of pressure and you need a

459
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 5: couple of attacking players who could potentially need to make

460
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Speaker 5: those thirty forty fifty yard runs to get into the

461
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Speaker 5: opposing box and make something happen, he's a guy that

462
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 5: you could probably count on and there's not many of those.

463
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 1: And isn't tab isn't the goal that he scored on

464
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 1: the weekend. That's what you bring him in for, right,

465
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 1: not necessarily goal, but the anticipation, Right, he's going to

466
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 1: be the first to run in behind somebody and uses energy.

467
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 1: And he stole another ball in the end line where

468
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 1: he turned the corner and almost almost connected the pass

469
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: like it was just opportunistic the ball separated from the defender.

470
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 1: He goes like, that's what you bring him in for.

471
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Speaker 1: I'm with you, Like, if if you're controlling the game

472
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: and you need someone to break up a pass down,

473
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Speaker 1: I think Giorana is probably the guy that plays in

474
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Speaker 1: that spot, right, Like he's the guy that could pick

475
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: out a pass for you or Brendan Aronson is his

476
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: energy energy energy, and that's what and then there's got

477
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: to be some result at the end, because if you

478
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: just have energy and then you don't have any goals

479
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: or an assist after twelve games, it's like you're just

480
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Speaker 1: you got energy. Now we maybe we bring someone with

481
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Speaker 1: less energy but has four goals into assist, you know

482
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Speaker 1: what I mean. So, but now it's starting to pay

483
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Speaker 1: off for him. I'm happy for him, man, because I

484
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,719
Speaker 1: was six months ago if you had asked me the

485
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: same question, the answer would have been for me, no,

486
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: he's not a lot on the national team.

487
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Speaker 2: And it's funny too, like his brother Paxson, who's now

488
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: with the ColorADD of Rapids, but he was a finalist

489
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Speaker 2: for Young Player of the Year in the yard of

490
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Speaker 2: Vizier and so people are asking a question of like, oh,

491
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Speaker 2: like what about Paxton? And again I think that they

492
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: were both very different players. They're complimentary to one another.

493
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 2: It's not one or the other. I think that both

494
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 2: has a long term future with this program. But like

495
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Speaker 2: you said, if you go back six months ago, not

496
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Speaker 2: only would this maybe have been a different answer, we

497
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Speaker 2: might have been talking about a different Aaronson sinking in

498
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Speaker 2: the midfield. Though Wes McKinney scored for Juventus in their

499
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Speaker 2: drug agains. Let's say he's.

500
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Speaker 3: Played all over. We've had that conversation over.

501
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 4: And over again.

502
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Speaker 2: My friend Doug mackintire for Fox Sports. Who I'm gonna

503
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Speaker 2: say on the front end. I respect the hell out

504
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Speaker 2: of Doug. He's very, very smart. He's an excellent jernos,

505
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Speaker 2: excellent writer. So I'm setting up to say Doug said

506
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Speaker 2: that Wesse McKinney is the best midfield in US MNT history.

507
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Speaker 2: I love Doug. That is a ludicrous thing to say

508
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Speaker 2: for me. But Tony, what say you? Is is that

509
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 2: a fair argument to even have because I don't even

510
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 2: think it's a conversation at the moment.

511
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Speaker 1: I did this on our CBS show a little bit earlier.

512
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: We went through this again and I love Doug too,

513
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: and I said I was joking. I'm like, Doug must

514
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: have been bored that night. Man, He's looking for some clicks,

515
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, or something. But I'd love him to death.

516
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: But I get where he's coming from. If you want

517
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Speaker 1: to just look at numbers and say, okay, sixty two

518
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: games with a national team, eleven goals, two hundred appearances

519
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: with events, have everything in front of me. But we

520
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: started to rank, like some of the midfielders right and

521
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Speaker 1: not rank them, but put names out there that could

522
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Speaker 1: maybe make an argument. And you can go anywhere from

523
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Speaker 1: Claudio to Michael Bradley to I'll get the tab in

524
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: the minute, but Ermaine Jones, John O'Brien, Tyler, I still think,

525
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: is you know it's still on that same John Harks,

526
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: Tomas Dooley, who's one of the more underrated central midfielders

527
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: we've ever had. We did our so we had a

528
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Speaker 1: bunch of categories, the Goat, the Mount Rushmore, and then

529
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: I think everyone the lad There were five categories, and

530
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: I forget what the third one was. Everyone else kind

531
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Speaker 1: of landed on the on the third carry was me, Me,

532
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: Charlie Davies and Jimmy Conrad, and we we picked just

533
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna take I said, look, if you're gonna

534
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Speaker 1: ask me who a guy that is smooth on the ball,

535
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Speaker 1: a guy that looks makes it look effortless, I probably

536
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Speaker 1: would if if that was the criteria. And that's why

537
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Speaker 1: I wish Doug would have defined the criteria a little

538
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 1: bit more out of out of pick Claudia Arena.

539
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 4: Right.

540
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: If you asked me a guy to go box to

541
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Speaker 1: box and break plays up and be on the When

542
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Speaker 1: I say box the box, that literally because I don't

543
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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of box to box midfielders in

544
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Speaker 1: the world anymore. But go six yard box a six

545
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: yard box and do all the dirty work and cover ground.

546
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Speaker 1: It would have been Thomas Dooley, a guy, if you

547
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Speaker 1: asked me, was one of the best guys of breaking

548
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: up plays in world football and tab coach them. Romaine Jones,

549
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: like there's different categories of all of these guys. Michael Bradley,

550
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Speaker 1: like a cerebral player, he would have been one. He

551
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Speaker 1: would have been that guy in covering ground, John Harks.

552
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Speaker 1: If you asked me, like someone who had like the

553
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Speaker 1: total package and the biggest heart in the world. He

554
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: would have been that guy. Right, could do everything, could pass,

555
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: could tackle, could run, could shoot from distance. And I said,

556
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Speaker 1: the other guy who ended up for all three of

557
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: us being the goat. I said, the guy that you

558
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: want kind of run in the midfield for you. You could

559
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: play the ball at his neck, and he's gonna take

560
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: it down. You can put on his ear. He's gonna

561
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Speaker 1: take it down, was Tab. I'm not saying that because

562
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Speaker 1: he's here.

563
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Speaker 4: He knows that.

564
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: I've told him. I've told people for years.

565
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Speaker 4: That's so.

566
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Speaker 1: I wish Doug would have qualified, like he's having the

567
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: best midfield career, you know, with a with a club team,

568
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: and it's the other My last point on this is

569
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Speaker 1: is people don't. People sometimes forget I think they realized

570
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Speaker 1: they sometimes forget that Back in the day when we

571
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Speaker 1: were kind of coming up and Tab was one of

572
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Speaker 1: the guys that went to your to make a European roster,

573
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Speaker 1: you had to be one of three guys right in

574
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Speaker 1: Setia Like I look at SETI on now I look

575
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: at like my club Milan or Inter, there's hardly an

576
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Speaker 1: Italian on the field. Right back then you had eight

577
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Speaker 1: Italians and three far that was it. You couldn't even

578
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Speaker 1: have him on your roster, like that couldn't even be

579
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: if there was a there became a period where you

580
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: could have extra foreigners on your roster, but only three

581
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: on the field. And when you think about it in

582
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: those terms and think about some of the guys that

583
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: played in the past, that would have had more opportunities

584
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: to do this. I think they get sold a little

585
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: bit short now because of what the game is like today?

586
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: But is western? Can Can Weston have his moment to

587
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: get on the mount rushmore?

588
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 4: Yeah?

589
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: And I joked again today, I hope that moment comes in,

590
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Speaker 1: like somewhere at the end of June this year, like

591
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: beginning of July. Like I hope he has his signature

592
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: moment like that we remember forever great player. But I

593
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Speaker 1: don't know that I would put him as the best one.

594
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Speaker 3: Tap would you agree to tab rollis the best player

595
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 3: in all time?

596
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 4: There?

597
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 6: You know, it's hard for me to argue that.

598
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 5: No, No, I you know, I don't want to go

599
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 5: too long in this answer because I would repeat a

600
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 5: lot of what Tony said. I also created different categories

601
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 5: and I'd go back to even guys like Rick Davis,

602
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 5: you know in the late eighties, who were you know,

603
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 5: Mike Fox, Like We've had some great midfielders that aren't

604
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 5: even mentioned who would potentially, you know now be incredible players. Right,

605
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 5: So I don't think I, you know, I would focus

606
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 5: because Tony has said pretty much everything that I would say.

607
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 5: You know, you if you're defining a midfielder someone who

608
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 5: can get into the box. Well, you know, Landon Donovan

609
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 5: came off as a midfielder, you know, coming from behind

610
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 5: at times. Clint Mathis could do it. And I think

611
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 5: in terms of quality, there's a lot more quality there.

612
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 6: But now let's not forget right.

613
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: What.

614
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 5: Why we're having this conversation in the first place. We're

615
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 5: having the conversation because Wesson McKinney is a great player, right,

616
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 5: and he has a lot of qualities where where he

617
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 5: is as good or better.

618
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 6: Than anyone who's ever played the game before.

619
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 5: Right now, when you start trying to decide who the

620
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 5: best is, I think it's going to be defined a

621
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 5: lot by I think it's generational, right, It's who you've

622
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 5: seen and then you put it all together and you say, oh,

623
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 5: I like that guy. But I think I think Tony's

624
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 5: absolutely right in dividing this into different types of positions.

625
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 6: You have your holding box.

626
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 5: To box, you have your distributor type like the Claudia Ranas,

627
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 5: and then you have your just flat out attackers who

628
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 5: are creating plays.

629
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 6: And obviously McKinney is not that.

630
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: Right and for me, like just to real I try

631
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: to be pretty sacred when things are the discussion of

632
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: like best ever things like that. I guess the club career,

633
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: it is a different time than it was previously, like

634
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: you said, but still playing at events that's huge, But

635
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: I can't really get into the best category while he's

636
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: in his mid twenties. Again, he's got a whole lot

637
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: of career in front of him and hopefully a whole

638
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: lot of big moments, And maybe in ten years we'll

639
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: be talking about this again with less hypotheticals and more

640
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: up talking points to argue with and point to and say,

641
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: this is what he did at the at the twenty

642
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: six World Cup, this is what he did at the

643
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: twenty thirty World Cup. But for me, it's just sacred

644
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: ground when you're talking about the tab Ramos and John

645
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: Hark's and Michael Bradley and Jermaine Jones, Like, with all

646
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: due respect to West, McKinney was a wonderful, wonderful player.

647
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: I think we revisit this conversation in eight or ten

648
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: years to properly do it, and we'll probably be arguing

649
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 2: about the next you know, twenty three, twenty four year

650
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: old that's coming through the US national team, hopefully we've

651
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: won long hopefully we will hopefully hopefully really quickly.

652
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: We have to take a break.

653
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with We'll talk to some little

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Speaker 2: goalkeepers with Tony our current starting eleven's we'll go.

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Speaker 3: We'll go into the inside of the locker room for

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Speaker 3: a story. We got a lot of show left here.

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Speaker 2: Inside American Soccer Tom Booner, tab Ramos Revue spot. All right,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to Inside American Soccer. Since we Tonomola here,

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Speaker 2: just a legendary goalkeeper, we got to ask him about

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Speaker 2: the goalies. We talk about everything else. He knows everything

662
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: else too, But it feel weird to not talk to

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Speaker 2: Tonamo about the state of goalkeeping for the United States.

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Speaker 2: So Tony, Matt Freeze has been the preferred starter in

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Speaker 2: the Mariso Pochattino. I took the job from Matt Turner.

666
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: There's been Patrick Scholti's ex Stefan you can Horbeth a

667
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: little bit, probably a couple of the guys.

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Speaker 4: It's been.

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Speaker 2: It's been pretty wide open until Matt Freeze took it.

670
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 2: Or it is wide open I think behind Freeze. So

671
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: from where you sit and then when you're analyzing this

672
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: Group one. Is Matt Freeze your preferred number one choice

673
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Speaker 2: for this team going towards the World Cup in two?

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Speaker 2: If he is, what makes him that guy? What makes

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Speaker 2: him the number one for the US?

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00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think right now he's He's Mauricio Pochettino's guy

678
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: for sure, right. I think he's proven that there were

679
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: opportunities even when Matt was coming sort of through this

680
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: summer in twenty twenty five. Uh, Pochettino had opportunities to

681
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: play Matt Turner, right, and he didn't. And Matt, Matt

682
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: was in a pretty bad situation in Europe. He's in

683
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: a couple of really bad situations in Europe right. As

684
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, leading into the twenty twenty two

685
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: World Cup, he had only played seven matches with Arsenal

686
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: in that spring, predominantly. I think they were all Cup games,

687
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. And I was surprised at how

688
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 1: well Matt Turner did at the World Cup because it's

689
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: a rhythm position, right, It's a position, but you're young,

690
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: you're a little bit younger, you're fighting every day and training.

691
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: Eventually it caught up with Matt Turner that there wasn't

692
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: a great rhythm in his game anymore. Right, So, Matt

693
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: Freeze had been the guy, and I think he's going

694
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: to be the guy at the World Cup. What I

695
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: suppose what I'm what the biggest surprises. I felt like

696
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: for years we always had three, four or five guys.

697
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: If you go back to all of the cycles, that

698
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: there were two or three guys fighting for a starting job,

699
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: and then there were two or three guys behind them

700
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: fighting to make the World Cup team. I feel like

701
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: now we're just kind of looking to see who the

702
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: third guy is gonna be right now, and I don't

703
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: know that we've ever been in this position before. I'm

704
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: a little bit surprised that we're in this position because

705
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: it's always been a fairly strong position for us. A

706
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with the number of

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Speaker 1: or the lack of I guess I'm right, the number

708
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: of foreign goalkeepers that have come in the league, right

709
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: that have taken spots from other people, which is normal,

710
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: which you have to compete with. But there's been sort

711
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: of like a perfect storm to get us to this point.

712
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: I'd like to I'd like to think that Matt Turner

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00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: is going to come back in the spring and have

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00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: a say in the end at least push Matt Freeze.

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00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: I do think Matt Freeze is going to be the

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Speaker 1: goalkeeper at the World Cup as of right now, of course,

717
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: just you know, without injury. And then who's number three.

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00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: The only one that really has a rhythm right now

719
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: is Jonathan Clintman, right, He's the only one that as

720
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: a rhythm. He's playing in Cetia be every weekend, he's

721
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: winning player of the week, all kinds of stuff. After that,

722
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: Chris Brady's not playing, Zach Stefan's not playing, coaching, I know,

723
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: just at a nice weekend this weekend, and then we

724
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: got to wait to see what happens with Patrick Scholtzi

725
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: or Cellantano, which I don't think are in that picture

726
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: right now. So that for me is like the big

727
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: goalkeeping picture. The biggest surprise for me is that God

728
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: got Sloanina is out of the picture when he got

729
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: when he hurt that hand or the finger last year.

730
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: He was having a tough time in Europe, but he

731
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: hurt the finger and it took him a while to

732
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: come back until the summer, and then he gets stuck

733
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: being the third goalkeeper at Chelsea this weekend he was.

734
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: I think Robert Sanchez was injured, right, so he was

735
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: on the bench this weekend. But I'm surprised that he's

736
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: not part of this picture right now. But injuries and

737
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of lack of form kind of killed them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, Tony.

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Speaker 5: So here's here's something that I think would be important

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Speaker 5: at least for people like myself and likely a lot

741
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 5: of the people listening who don't know a lot about goalkeeping, right,

742
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,959
Speaker 5: because even when you're the head coach, and in my case,

743
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 5: I was a head coach at MLS and still, you know,

744
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 5: when we gave up a goal, I had to ask

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00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 5: the goalkeeper coach if that was a good one or

746
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 5: a bad one?

747
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 4: Right?

748
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 6: Did he do the right thing or did he not?

749
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: No?

750
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 5: You know, when you look at our national team, and

751
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 5: obviously it looks like Mauricio Pocchettino has now switched to that,

752
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 5: you know, possibly the three in the back right and

753
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 5: having potentially three center backs, but it's been sort of

754
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 5: a you know, revolving door of center backs playing back there,

755
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 5: you know, because you know, and eventually we could potentially

756
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 5: end up with you know, Mark McKenzie playing on that

757
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 5: left side of the three you know, we could end

758
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 5: up with Ream playing so Ream's a left team McKenzie's variety.

759
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 5: So like, there could be a number of different situations

760
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 5: and combinations of center backs playing in front of the goalkeeper.

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00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 5: How much does that affect the goalkeeper? And are these

762
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 5: conversations at norm As a goalkeeper, you would feel comfortable

763
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 5: with going to the coach and saying, hey, you know,

764
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 5: I feel much more comfortable with so and so.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it affects the center backs more than

766
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: it affects the goalkeeper, right, Because if you think about it,

767
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: let's just assume we're playing with three in the back,

768
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: and I loved playing that way because I just think

769
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: it's easier to organize. We won a championship in Kansas City.

770
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: We're really good for a couple of years like that,

771
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: you're still given the same instruction. So when you look

772
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: out on the field, the ball is somewhere and you're organizing, right,

773
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if I'm organizing you or Tom or

774
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: the next guy right where the defender.

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00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: What you want to.

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00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: See as a goalkeeper is that I tell you tab

777
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: go right, Well, you don't. You don't really look at me.

778
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: You trust me, and you go right because I told

779
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: you to go there. And that happens over a period

780
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: of time, and that's where I that's where I lasted

781
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: the longest in my career because I think I was

782
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: an extension of the coach in a lot of ways

783
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: where I could get the feedback and say, Okay, this

784
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: is where the coach wants people. And then after a while,

785
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: when you're you know, thirty five, thirty six years old,

786
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: people are listening right. They tell you to go right,

787
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: you go right, you go left, you tell the you know,

788
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: that's how it works. But I think from a center

789
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: backs position, like you hear in a different voice right

790
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: all the time, you're hearing somebody different, and then you're

791
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: standing next to somebody in a different spot on the field,

792
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: and I think that's where that's where it hurts a

793
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: little bit more than it hurts the goalkeeper. I think

794
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: it hurts the center backs a little bit more. I

795
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: don't know if that makes sense, but that that's kind

796
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: of how I always looked at because I'm I'm gonna work.

797
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: The coach tells me play three, I'm back or four in.

798
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: But whatever it is, put the guys here, it doesn't

799
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: matter to me. Who you are. I'm putting you there right.

800
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: The coach told me, I got to put you over there.

801
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: I got to put you there. But Tom, I gotta

802
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: tell you because Tab kind of touched on it. I

803
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: coached with Taba. The luck of coaching with Tab and

804
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: Tab being around some of the teams that I was

805
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: an assistant coach for in the national team, I was

806
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: there for five years with Tab. If they're if I

807
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: ever coached with anyone one that, I don't know.

808
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 4: If he didn't.

809
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: I think he knows more about goalkeeping than he leads on,

810
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: but doesn't care about goalkeeping. I don't think I'll ever.

811
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 4: Because we would we would go to the meetings and

812
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: and you.

813
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: Go to goalkeepers like he's the head coach, and you're

814
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: always waiting for the head coach to go, hey, okay,

815
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: I think like.

816
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 7: Dead silence, like don't you want don't you want any

817
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 7: saying this at all?

818
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 4: No, No, you don't want any say that like yeah

819
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 4: you could.

820
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: Look, you're like, man, he really doesn't care.

821
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 4: Like we could play whoever we.

822
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 7: Want, that's right, anything else the goalkeeper.

823
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 6: I was a manager, not a coach.

824
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 4: There's the difference. Time.

825
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: Now now you can figure it out right, people, It's.

826
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 6: Starting to come around to that now, see that.

827
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: This is what it's like when you guys are you

828
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 3: were way ahead of the car, ahead of the game.

829
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: One more on this front again, everything is geared towards

830
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: this summery six World Cup to sit here and you

831
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 3: guys obviously have the experience of playing in a home

832
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: World Cup and Tony, we're all we're talking about goalkeepers.

833
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: You know why, why is this going to be a

834
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: different level of pressure than say even Matt Turner what

835
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 3: a guitar at the World Cup? Like, what are the

836
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 3: differences to doing this at a home World Cup?

837
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't really know what it was going

838
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: to feel like, but it is completely different. And I

839
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: think the big from a goalkeeping standpoint. I would say

840
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: this from a center forward standpoint too, because I look

841
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: at them the same way. You Sometimes you get one

842
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: chance and you got to be able to play. Like

843
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: when I look at just the World Cup and home,

844
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: people are always like, what what was your best game?

845
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: And there's like I could look at like England and

846
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: some other games where I played really well. I still

847
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: think my best game was the game I gave up

848
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: the poorest goal. In the World Cup where I cheated

849
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: and I got beat at the near post. But then

850
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: but then I was able to react because when you

851
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: think about it, I was we were.

852
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 4: At home, it's a big goal. We gave up.

853
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: We were under a little bit of pressure at that time.

854
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: But I played really well the rest of the game

855
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: and kind of kept us senate for a little while.

856
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: And that's what you have to deal with, right, You

857
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: got to deal with Look, when everybody's great, Tab will

858
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 1: tell you he coached a lot longer than everybody's great.

859
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: When things are going well, like when the team's clicking

860
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: and you're scoring goals and you're attacking like everybody's a

861
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: really good player, like at the World Cup, especially at home,

862
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: how do you react when things don't go your way?

863
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: And that I think is the thing. You don't have

864
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: to deal with that when you're playing in Germany, Like

865
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: if you're the US playing in German, you don't have

866
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: to deal with that pressure. You're home now and it

867
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: will be a pro US crowd. It wasn't ninety four

868
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: and it will be here. And how do you deal

869
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: with all of that pressure? Does Europe prepare you for

870
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: a lot of that?

871
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: Yeah? Sure, it does, but.

872
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: It's the World Cup and you're gonna feel a little

873
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: bit different.

874
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: And that game you're referencing now versus Romania, the third

875
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: group stage game, right.

876
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

877
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: How difficult was that?

878
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: I guess on the mental side of things, and like

879
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: you said, you played really really well. But then you're

880
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: sitting here thirty years later saying I should have done

881
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: better if the goal was my fault.

882
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, the goal was my fault, no, no

883
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: question about it. The I can remember saying to myself,

884
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: Holy shit, man, it can't get any worse than this.

885
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: Like that's I gave up a near post goal where

886
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: I cheated and for for five years before that, I

887
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: cheated and the ball ended up in my hands because

888
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: the guy's trying to cross the ball across the six

889
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: yard box. But Petresca, the right back, you know, he

890
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: may have seen all of that, right, Maybe we did

891
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: have videotape back in the day. It might have still

892
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: been black and white, but he'd seen it. And that

893
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: was that. That's how I got beat. So you know,

894
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: you gotta live with it, and you gotta just you

895
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: gotta deal with it. One thing I learned tap wasn't

896
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: around Bora as much as as much as I was,

897
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: but I think it was around him enough to learn

898
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: one thing. He would constantly say, almost to the point

899
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: where you're like you wanted to shakeboard, like stop saying it,

900
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, but he would constantly say, what, my friends,

901
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: what is the most important play? The next one? You know,

902
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: and like it wrung in my head like okay, I

903
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: can't do anything. And I think it's such a great

904
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: lesson for kids.

905
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: Man.

906
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: I used it when I was coaching. I'm like, okay, yeah,

907
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: you made a mistake, so let's let's talk about the

908
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: next one, Like what do you do? It's so important?

909
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: Man, And it was.

910
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: It's a trite saying, right, and you want you know,

911
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: it's like a parenting saying that you never want to

912
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: hear on the field, but it's so true.

913
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: And how you react, Oh man, that's that's some good stuff.

914
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: We got to take a really quick break here. We'll

915
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: be right back. We're gonna go through a starting elevens.

916
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: We're gonnadd the wrinkle that what if Tom Adams isn't

917
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: available or something happens. What was starting elevens? Look like,

918
00:41:49,320 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna be right back with inside America time. Welcome

919
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: back to Inside American Soccer. We do this on most shows.

920
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: We like to see how things change over time in

921
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: our views. For the current starting eleven for the United States.

922
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: If the World Cup, we're gonna start tomorrow and right now,

923
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: we're gonna do it with Tony Miola, and we're gonna

924
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: do it with with no Tyler Adams. Again, he's got

925
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: a torn MCL. He'll be out for a couple months

926
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: with Bournemouth. We're all very very much hoping that he's

927
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: gonna be there for the group of the first World

928
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: Cup game. We very much say the obvious of if

929
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: he's available, he's just about the first name on the

930
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: team sheet, if not, maybe the second.

931
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 3: So want that out of the way. But hypothetically, if

932
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: there were more.

933
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: Time missed by ty Adams, or if we get to

934
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: any of these games and he's not able to play,

935
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 2: what would a throwing eleven look like without him? So Tap,

936
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you go.

937
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 6: First, Okay, Yeah, you know what I'm gonna do.

938
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go in a three to five to two

939
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 5: only because I think from now on I'm gonna focus

940
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 5: on trying to get polistic who's our best player into

941
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 5: the best position possible. Is just how he's been functioning

942
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 5: and doing well as a second forward.

943
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 6: Uh and and and I think we need to utilize

944
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 6: that more than anything.

945
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna go with uh freezing goal, Alex Freeman,

946
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 5: Chris Richards and McKenzie Mark McKenzie in the back. I'm

947
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 5: gonna go with desk On Uh uh In Robinson as

948
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 5: the wingbacks.

949
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 6: Uh.

950
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 5: In the middle, I'm gonna have the three players of McKinney,

951
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 5: Tessaman and Tillman. And up front, I'll go with Polisic

952
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 5: and flow Balogun.

953
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: I like that in that.

954
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: It's probably not too dissimilar in the way that that

955
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: Personne would line up as the three four two one,

956
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: because Tillman is capable of dropping deeper and this this

957
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: frees up Wesn McKinney have more freedom to go forward.

958
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: I find that one interesting, Tony, anything on your end

959
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: or what's your eleven?

960
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I stuck with Mauricio Pochettino's three four to

961
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: two one, if you will, right, matfreezing goal. So I

962
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: went Chris Richards in the center of the field, Tim

963
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: Reim on his left hand side, and I've been watching this.

964
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: No Kai Banks. I think he's going to be the

965
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: surprise at the World Cup for Us as the right

966
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: center back. But if if it's not him, then then

967
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: do we see Mark McKenzie, who's been a little bit

968
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: in and out with with Mauricio Pochettino right the performance

969
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: has been a little up and down, and Marie, I'm

970
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: not sure that he trusts them completely yet, but that

971
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: would be my back for Sir Richards Banks on the right,

972
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: Rima on the left. I think tab and I have

973
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: the same thing in the midfield Robinson on the left

974
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: hand side. I have two in the center to park

975
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: without Tyler ramser Weston and Tanner Tessaman and then I

976
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: have ser Genio Desk on the right hand side, and

977
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: it's it's just the twist in formation filming and Polisic

978
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: underneath Balligan up top. So just I think we have

979
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: the same ideas in the in the attacking part of

980
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: the field, and maybe just it looks like two center

981
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: backs right are are a little bit different.

982
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 2: Right and and I'll just follow up on that quickly

983
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: with mine because it is very similar. So the three

984
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: four to two one as well tone freezing goal, I've

985
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: got Miles Robinson a right center back, Chris Richards in

986
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: the middle, and Mark McKenzie on the left. I go

987
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: back and forth between him and him and Reim. I'm

988
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: not sure what it's gonna look like in a few months.

989
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: I want to see how Tim Reim starts the in

990
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: MLS for Charlotte and what he looks like in March

991
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: in the Friendlies. But Mackenzie, I think all three of

992
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: us are big fans of his, and I think with

993
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: Miles Robinson, just the athleticism is going to be so

994
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: very important and the way that he can put out

995
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: fires and got obviously Chris Richards is very very athletic

996
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: as well, but just that'll help a lot in covering

997
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: for say test at right wing back, which I have

998
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: him there, Tessaman and McKinney in the middle, Anthony Robinson

999
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: on the left, though I can see, depending on opponents

1000
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: and situations, whether or not Max Orson might be there.

1001
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: But Anthony Robinson has looked very good since he got

1002
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: back for Fulham, which is great news. And then Pool

1003
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: Sick and Tillman underneath Balgain. And again I think that

1004
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: we're all saying very similar things, particularly from the midfield

1005
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: forward of again, whether you line up as a three

1006
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: four two one or a three to five to two pool,

1007
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: Sick is gonna basically be a ten ish a second

1008
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: forward ish. He's gonna have freedom to find the game

1009
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 2: and Tillman would be the one to drop deeper when

1010
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: McKenny makes those runs forward. So I do think that

1011
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 2: this is again it's pretty fluid, and Resa Pochettino as

1012
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: well would talk about how important it is for the

1013
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: players and the competitiveness and their ability to adapt to situations.

1014
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: I think that he wouldn't be so defined with the

1015
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: with the roles and the formations either one really quickly,

1016
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: I wanted to add No Kai Banks Tony. He has

1017
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: been very good continuing to play. He was called in

1018
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: I believe it was September and Pochettino was I thought

1019
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: he gave a very interesting answer and he was asked

1020
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: about No Kai Banks and it was something along the

1021
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: lines of we think he's a very talented player. Maybe

1022
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: he's not ready for this level yet, but we want

1023
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: him in camp because we want to see what he's like.

1024
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: It's a person where he's like in training, what he's

1025
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: like with the group. Because young players and a player

1026
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: with his talent very very quickly. They can jump from

1027
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: maybe not right, so oh my god, they need to

1028
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: be part of it. So Pochettino said, like, we cared

1029
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 2: more about the off the field stuff for the training

1030
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: stuff because I want to know more about him as

1031
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: a person, so that when he's showing the level that

1032
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: he's ready to be in this team, that I know

1033
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: about him off the field and it's not it's not

1034
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: a risk or it's not an unknown when we bring

1035
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: him in the group, and I think we're kind of

1036
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: seeing that happen now.

1037
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and keep in mind, in that camp he had

1038
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: only had twenty I think it's twenty six or thirty

1039
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: six professional minutes at that point. He had one minute

1040
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: appearance and then just before that camp he played like

1041
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 1: twenty something minutes. He's played eleven out of the last

1042
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: twelve games, seven of the last date have been ninety minutes.

1043
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: So he for me, he's a different profile now than

1044
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: he was in September camp, right because he's got to

1045
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: completely he's he's in the lineup every day now where

1046
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: he wasn't. So you know, the one thing I'm gonna trust,

1047
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: Mauricio Pochettino with for sure is center backs. Right, If

1048
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: Mauricia Pochettino says this guy's a good center back, then

1049
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trust him. He's a good center backs because

1050
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: he knows that position better than any So that's the

1051
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: only reason. I just always think like there's always one

1052
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: surprise somewhere along the way, and he's the one I'm

1053
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: gonna see. I like where he's going right now. He

1054
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: might not play at all in the World Cup, but

1055
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: he would be my one surprise in there that I

1056
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: think people will will follow, if not at this World Cup,

1057
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: certainly moving forward. Tab always mentions and we've had this

1058
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: discussion forever, like ten year goalkeepers and ten year center backs. No,

1059
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: Kai Banks is nineteen years old playing in the Bundesliga

1060
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: every single week now as a center back. Chris Richards

1061
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: is becoming that guy. It's been like what three years

1062
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: now he's twenty five years old. Like you can see

1063
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: Chris Richards playing in three World Cups, right, I mean,

1064
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: like we're finding ten year center backs right now in

1065
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: our program.

1066
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good point, Tony.

1067
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 5: You know, I remember as we bird all the guys

1068
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 5: through the youth national teams that we always said to

1069
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 5: them in all the private meetings. Look, we obviously we

1070
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 5: know you're a good player, that's why you're here, and

1071
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 5: so we think that you're going to be on the

1072
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 5: national team. But we're not just looking for players who

1073
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 5: are going to be in the national team for a

1074
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 5: couple of games. We're looking for the players who are

1075
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 5: going to be ten year national team players. And you're

1076
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 5: right now, we've had we have a couple guys on

1077
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 5: this team that potentially are going to be those guys.

1078
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 6: And I think that that's really nice to see.

1079
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: I would agree, And there's a lot a lot of

1080
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: soccer to be played, just really quickly. On Banks, I

1081
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: want to say he played I think like two hundred

1082
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Speaker 2: and fifty minutes at the end of the last European season.

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Speaker 2: To your point still remains. He was very, very green

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Speaker 2: in first team professional football, and at that point it

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Speaker 2: was a surprise, a pleasant surprise, when he was on

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Speaker 2: the roster. But yeah, that is definitely when you talk

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Speaker 2: about somebody comes out of nowhere. When I've been asked

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Speaker 2: that question, I've been making educated guesses of usually it's

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Speaker 2: a centerfower.

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Speaker 3: But honestly, the more you think about.

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Speaker 2: It, no, Kyle Banks might be the guy, but that's

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Speaker 2: all the time we have for this episode. Tony Miolla,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Thank you guys

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Speaker 2: listening to Tony on CBS Sports, Galaza on Serious XM.

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Speaker 3: Anytime he's speaking, you should be listening to to your

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Speaker 3: a legend.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us Films.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks everybody inside American SoC Please rate, review, and subscribe

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Speaker 2: and submit your questions from me and Tab.

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Speaker 3: We are gonna do a mail bag.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put it out on social media as well

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Speaker 2: as a nice reminder, and we're gonna take questions. We

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Speaker 2: want to talk about what you want us to talk about,

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Speaker 2: So please give us your questions.

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Speaker 3: And we'll answer them in an upcoming episode very soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, all right,