WEBVTT - Selects: How Satanism Works 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.960 Hey everyone, Josh here, and for this week's select, I've 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:08.039 chosen our two thousand seventeen episode on Satanism. It proved 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:10.920 to be a pretty eye opening episode and was much 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.600 less upsetting and much more enjoyable than the title might suggest. 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:23.480 So sit back, relax, and listen up to how satanism works. Hey, everybody, 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:25.919 it's us Josh and Chuck, and we just wanted to 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.080 say that if you have very strong religious beliefs, I 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.080 don't know, you may want to skip this one. Yeah. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.720 You know, we talked about Satanism in this episode and 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.639 what seems like glowing terms, but um, for my part, 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:39.400 at least, I was just trying to have a little 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.200 fun with it, So I hope that comes across. Yeah, 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.640 we have an intellectual conversation about Satanism. How about that? 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:50.879 All right? Agreed? Alright, Well onto the show, Chuck, Welcome 0:00:51.000 --> 0:01:00.360 to Stuff you should know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.480 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Seated directly 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:09.240 across from me is one Charles w Wayne Charles Chuckers Bryant. 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:15.080 That's pretty good, yells above himself. Ye, and there is 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:21.640 um old scratch to my right Matt. Matt, do you 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.360 let people know your last name? Oh yeah, you're a personality, 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.240 Matt Frederick, but I don't want him to get kidnapped. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.440 Guest producer Matt Frederick of the Old Days, Uh, co 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.840 host of stuff they don't want you to know, and 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:39.440 now supervising producer for podcasts. Man, we don't let our 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.480 producers talk on our episodes, so we're gonna have to 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:46.480 beat that out. Matt says, that was a huge announcement. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:51.000 You just said, yeah, nice, well, congrats Matt, and Matt's 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:56.040 been working here forever just like us. Nice, lovely wife, 0:01:56.320 --> 0:02:01.800 lovely child. Yes, great family, loves Indian food. I didn't 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.600 know that. Oh yeah, yeah, it's as bread and butter 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.160 as it were. It's a gey and non Now he's 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:12.959 afraid to talk, which he should be. Uh, Matt's here. Yeah, 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:17.480 So thank you, Matt. And Hail Satan. I was gonna say, 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.880 Hail Satan, Hail Satan, Chuck hal Satan. Josh. It's funny 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:26.919 I went from and when reading this, the thinking Satanists 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:34.480 are just libertarians too. No, Satan this are kind of Republicans. 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.040 And I don't mean that. You'll see what I mean 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.320 philosophically in some ways I don't mean. And then I thought, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:47.200 I'm a Satanist, did you did you have in a way? 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.160 I mean, I read some of the stuff and the 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.600 there f a q on their website and some of 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.920 their fundamentals, and they're there. There are eleven rules of 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.880 Earth and their nine Satanic statements. Will read all that stuff. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.560 I thought, geez, I agree with a lot of stuff. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:05.639 They're thirteen things to avoid getting gouged at the grocery store. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:14.000 What Satanists are not, almost assuredly, are not uh, evil 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:19.560 people who meet in dark churches to perform ritual blood 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:24.200 sacrifice and eat hearts and then draw pentagrams on they 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.600 may draw pagrams. Yeah, that's that parts actually true. But 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.679 there's there's more things that Satanists are not. I think 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:35.560 if you're coming to this blind um without knowing anything, 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:40.560 you'll probably be surprised about just how kind of groovy 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.240 they are. And this is the Church of Satan. But 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.080 I'm talking about mainly uh No, I think you can 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.200 you can apply what you just said to all Satanists, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.760 because if you're a Satanist, you would take umbrage at 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:58.320 the idea that somebody who actually believes in the supernatural 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:05.640 entity Satan as not a Satanist, because Satanism, by definition, 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:10.200 at least modern Satanism by definition, is an atheistic philosophy. 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:14.640 So there's no supernatural entities of any kind to Satanists. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.280 So somebody who worshiped Satan would be a devil worshiper. 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.960 It is a completely different kind of thing. Yeah, and 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.919 the I didn't even finish the last thing. Well, no, 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.600 I mean, I got off track. The last thing I 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.680 thought when I was reading about the Temple of Satan 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.880 is that these are just liberal hippies. The temple is Satan, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:36.719 the Satanic Temple, Satanic Temple. They are they are. Um. 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.240 I saw them compared to or analogized as a dark 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:44.520 yes men. You know, the yes Men. No, oh, you 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.839 gotta check out the yes Men. There's a couple of 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.520 yes Men documentaries and they basically do this, but it's 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:53.680 not satanically associated. And I wonder why it was satanically associated. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.640 I'm like, it sounds like you're a bunch of liberal 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.680 hippie scientists. To me. Well, we'll get into all that, okay, Okay, 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.000 So we're talking Satanists and Satanism if you couldn't tell, 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.599 because we have been saying Satan a lot um. And if, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:11.160 like Chuck said, um, you're coming into this blind, let 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:15.600 us illuminate for you, let us bring the light. Then 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:19.360 we both group goatees for this episode exactly typically and 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.320 shaped our heads and horns. Jon and Strickland actually could 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:26.200 do a man sort of an amateur Anton LaVey if 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.480 he wanted to. He could. I'm sure he does at home, 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.240 if you know what I mean. All right, so let's 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.000 go back and this is a grabstor article so you 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.280 know it's got the goods um and talk a little 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:41.760 bit about the origin story of Satan, which um, we 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.000 will lead up to sort of what the modern version 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.440 of that is. But if you're thinking red guy with 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:52.000 a pitch fork and pointy hooves, it's uh tries to 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:56.320 lure people away from God to do bad things that 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.159 kind of came around later. So we need to go 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.640 back further to the Hebrew Bible, which the Christian Old 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:06.000 Testament is derived from. And there's a lot of uncertainty 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.840 on what Satan actually meant, depending on how you want 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.760 to translate the Hebrew term, right, and the reason there's 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:18.200 uncertainty is because Satan wasn't a figure in early Judaism. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:25.240 Because the early Jews believed that all God was all things. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.800 God was good, God was evil, God was responsible for 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:33.160 everything in the universe. There wasn't what we understand now 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:37.880 or anybody who thinks of the Judeo Christian ethic now, um, 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.240 there wasn't dualism, which is, there's good and the bad, 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:46.200 there's light and the dark, and they they equal each 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.640 other out. And early Judaism this didn't exist. It was 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.840 all in one, So there was no need for Satan, right. 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:57.000 But as this concept of an all benevolent, loving God spread, 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.120 this question arose, which was, well, wait a minute, if 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.159 God is just so benevolent and loving, why does he 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:08.719 why does he or she um let bad things happen? 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:13.680 And so the need for the concept of Satan emerged 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:20.640 later on, and because of the um early Judaism's proximity 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:26.040 too Persia, which was ruling the land at the time 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:30.760 at about like the six to third centuries b c. Um. 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.440 Persia had Zoroastrianism, which had dualism. So they kind of 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:39.960 introduced uh, the Hebrew faith to dualism, and hence Satan 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.840 was originally born. Yeah, so there's no like consensus when 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:47.680 you look at these old texts what these translations mean. 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.720 Sometimes it is an adversary or an opponent to God. 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:57.600 Sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's uh, he's like the the 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:02.320 an attorney and than's legal system. Throw in the book 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:06.920 at people like um al Pacina. Oh yeah, quite literally. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.160 What didn't you play the devil or did he as 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:14.120 a lawyer? Right? Devil's advocate with Kanu. I don't think 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.600 I ever saw that. I didn't either, but I mean 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.280 we were both alive at the time, so we know. 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:24.400 Uh there uh you know, you look at all these 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.200 different forms of what the word meant back then before 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.040 it became the modern version we all know. And the 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.000 one kind of common thread through all of them, though, 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.840 is that Satan was an outsider who was sort of 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.319 against the man and these established values that everyone else 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.240 seemed to believe in right, or established rules or just 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:47.000 even the establishment in general. Yes, he's the antithesis of that. Correct. 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.200 You get into the Christian New Testament and it starts 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.440 to clear up a bit um where there is a 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:57.240 single being called Satan who is supernatural, and it's a 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:02.800 direct opposition to God and is usually used as a 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.600 as a tool God uses as a in the Bible, 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.440 at least as a test, like go down there and 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:11.199 test these humans to see if see see which way 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:15.800 their allegiance lay. Right. Um. That Satan's called the scriptural 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.320 Satan or Satan o the scriptures, right yeah. Um. He 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.520 also kind of comes out of nowhere in the New 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:26.959 Testament to tempt Jesus in the desert, I believe, um. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.160 And I mean you know all this right, am I right? 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.440 It was in the desert? Well yeah, and I think 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.760 by the way, just to back up to that last 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.120 episode when the stuttering when I didn't hear the story 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.719 about Moses the Bible with a coal in his mouth 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.080 or whatever everyone wrote in it was like, it's not 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.760 in the Bible. Don't feel bad. It was from something else, right, 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:51.000 it was from the Disney movie. Yeah. So um. But 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:55.000 in one of the gospels in the New Testament, um, 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:56.480 And no need to write in to let us know. 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.319 But it's in one of the gospels in the New 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.920 Testament that Satan appears to Jesus to try to tempt him, 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.200 and he's kind of brought in almost like he's a 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.880 character that everybody should know. But if you're just reading 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:09.960 the New Testament from beginning to end, you're like, what, 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.199 who's this guy? But they apparently another gospel makes mention 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.760 that Satan was the serpent in the garden of Eden. 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:21.000 So he's a big tempter. He's he's bent on corrupting 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:27.680 man and getting man to stray from God's flock. Basically, yeah, 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.800 and they're these Uh, there's certain demons that are named 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:36.599 properly in the Bible, um, like Beelzebub and belly aal um. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.560 And again it's just sort of conjecture on our part 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.520 whether or not that's referring to Satan or whether it's 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:46.679 a generic evil. Um, it's just sort of difficult to 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.920 what it wasn't was the devil with the horns and 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.480 the pitchfork that we all think about. No, in those 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.360 earliest names for the devil, like Beelzebub are actually corruptions 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:05.040 or alterations of competing religions gods. Right, So, early Christianity 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:11.000 and um, I guess Middle Judaism had this kind of 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:15.400 tendency to take other religions gods and make them the 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:21.200 evil characters and their religions because they wanted Christianity to flourish, 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.079 right exactly, They wanted to make the competition look bad 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:25.880 as a way to do it was a smear tactic 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:30.040 in a campaign to get converts. Right. So, biel's Abub 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:36.640 is actually a corruption of ballalls of which is you know, 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:41.240 I'm sorry, ballalls of all, but all the ball the Exalted. 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.240 I think if you say that one more time, people 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:49.480 appear um and ball be a apostrophe. A l was 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.560 the main deity of the Canaanites and the Phoenicians who 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.439 were competing with the early Christians at the time. And um, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.520 if you say balls of that means lord of the flies, 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.160 not lowerd the Exalted. So it was like it was 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.959 a slam on their the main their competition's main god. 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.000 And that's where biel Zebub came from. And that's actually 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.040 that will become a common play in the Christian playbook 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.680 of smearing the other guy's gods by making them um 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:28.480 evil figures in Christian mythology. Platoon Rata bals Abub. Remember 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.920 there was a Dead Milkman album called Bell's a Bubba. Yes, 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.679 it had like that guy on a tractor on the 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:39.520 cover that was bla um well, the same with Lucifer. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.360 And when we finally got the English language King James 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.160 Bible in sixteen eleven, Lucifer was really a Latin term 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.800 for morning star. But in that version of the Bible 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.920 they say, no, what that really is is the name 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.440 of Satan, right, And he was the light bringer, the 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.040 one who would reveal the truth to people that they 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:02.800 were actually being held down by God. Yeah, which is 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.840 not the Christian way, right. So what you were saying 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.520 by co opting all these are not co opting but well, 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:13.160 kind of co opting these bad religions another band, um, 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.120 that's actually a real band name. Yeah, correct, Uh, these 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.800 bad religions and saying those are the bad ones. They would. 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.280 That's how the like the devil that we know today, 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.640 the Satan sorry that we know today, has taken shape 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.120 because they like the Greek god Pan had the cloven 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.960 hoofs and the horns. Uh back us. The Roman god 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:39.720 is where you get this insatiable um Bacchanalian decadence um, which, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.600 as we'll see with the Church of Satan um is 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.920 it too far off? They certainly love their orgies and 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:54.040 they're trades of fine meats and roasted Meats and Jesus. UM. 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:57.120 So in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, then this 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.960 this mythology, Christian mythology has expanded. You get a couple 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.640 of books that were very key into shaping who we 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.640 think of today as Satan. One was John Milton's epic 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:14.080 poem Paradise Lost. Then of course Dante's Divine Comedy. Um, 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.480 this is where we got the idea that Satan was 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:22.400 an angel expelled from heaven because of his pride, who 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:28.120 then said Tony will defeat to the Lord. These are 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.240 actually from two books written by dudes. Yeah, a lot 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:36.120 of the mythology about Satan that Christians understand as Satan, 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.760 and that just people in the culture generally understand is 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.800 Satan don't show up anywhere in the actual Bible, Old 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.760 Testament or New Testament. All that stuff came afterwards, So 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.120 chuck the The Enlightenment was another turning point then big 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:56.280 time for the conception of Satan. And this is his 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:02.920 evolution is like a scary, supernatural, otherworldly figure. Um takes 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:07.880 a different turn because the Enlightenment was based on rational thought. 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:13.560 Secular humanism finds its roots in the Enlightenment, and um, 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:18.800 they started to come to see Satan as a kind 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:23.920 of a creative force, almost uh foil to the establishment, 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:28.360 this idea that Satan is um the opposite of the 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:35.440 established norms and customs and moral goods um, and that 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.080 he's kind of like a handy archetype for that. So 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:45.560 he stops, he loses some of his supernatural um, yes, 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:50.240 and is replaced by metaphorical Yeah. And I think that's 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:51.760 that seems to be the one that the Church of 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.120 Satan sort of identified with a little more. Was it 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.280 Satan was just a just a freethinking dude. Yeah, apparently 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.040 that's where they that's where it finds its roots. Was 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.000 the Enlightenment very interesting, which makes sense because most Satanists 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:14.720 would be probably humanists secular humanists, um, although they're individualists. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.920 But you can make a case that that's an individual 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:21.440 humanism um. And that's you know, that comes out of 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.560 the Enlightenment as well. So, um, you want to take 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.760 a break and then keep going, or you want to 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.720 keep going, Let's take a break and we'll talk a 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:53.120 little bit about witches right after this. So I promised 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.080 talk of witches. Um, we did it in the jeez, 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:58.760 that was a long time ago. We did an episode 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:03.920 on Witchcraft UM many many years ago, and if you 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.919 are a witch or a Western esoteric, you were probably 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.399 one of two groups of people to be accused of 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:13.959 worshiping Satan in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance. UM. Basically, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:21.440 anything anything in opposition to organized Christianity was Satan worship, right, 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.600 And that's the same thing as as saying your God, 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:29.640 your creator, Deity is like Satan and our religion. It's 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.800 the same thing. Anything that's in opposition to Christian thought 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:37.439 is automatically heretical, heretical, and the kind of almost like 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:41.399 the lazy shorthand way of describing it is it's Satanic. 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.919 You know, Satan, He's scary and evil, right, Well, what 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.920 these people think is satanic? Yeah, And if you listen 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.320 to the episode on Witchcraft, UM, and we haven't, I 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.560 know stuff you miss in history class did a good 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:57.560 episode on what really happened in Salem, which will probably 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.919 cover that at some point I mentioned, but I think 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.760 everyone pretty much knows at this point about sixty people, 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.080 mainly women, were put to death in the American colonies, 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:10.800 in Europe and UM under the guise of being Satan 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:15.240 worshippers and witches and practicing witchery, and by all accounts, 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:19.399 they generally were you know that, I don't like the 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.679 way that lady looked at me in the town today, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.920 or you know what she I think she stole milk 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.439 from my cow, or I want her land, or I 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:33.760 want her land, or um, my wife is jealous of her. Um. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.280 So they're all witches. Let's burn them. Let's throw them 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.520 in lakes and see if they float. Um, and let's 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.399 burn them because if they don't float, then they're not 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:45.480 which is drowned. And and early physicians had more than 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.560 just a small hand in this as well. They in 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:53.520 accusing especially like folk healers and midwives of being witches 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.960 again to basically forced the competition out. Yeah, where do 0:18:58.040 --> 0:18:59.800 we talk about that one? In that seem more recent? 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.840 Remember maybe Great Robbin They talk about that in Great 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.920 Robbing feels like it does. There were also things called 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:12.480 esoteric orders, which were I don't even know what you 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.720 would call that today, basically kind of any group that 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:19.520 didn't subscribe to mainstream Christianity, so like the Mason's or 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:26.040 the Illuminati thing. Uh yeah, and like they were Christian 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.239 at base gnostics, but then they had like, yeah, they 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:33.440 had this other occult ideas in addition to it. Right, 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:37.560 So like the Kaither's or Cather's are a good example 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.960 of that. They were in I think like the twelfth 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:45.920 of fourteenth century France, and they were like Christian plus right, 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:50.600 they were they Caither's means like the pure ones um. 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.760 They were so Christian that they felt like just being 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.359 a normal, pious Christian wasn't enough, and you actually had 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.359 to be baptized again but basically like a born again 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:03.560 Christian process. But in again like twelve thirteenth century France, 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:07.040 they were considered heretics and they were persecuted. You could 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:12.960 call them an esoteric order because it didn't follow prescribed Christianity, 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:18.280 orthodox establishment Christianity to a t. It either was lacking 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:22.240 some or had extra and then you're you're a heretic. 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:26.359 And hence Satanists and esoteric order believed in Dan brown 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.959 books basically that that all that stuff is true. All 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.000 the stuff he writes about is about like esoteric orders. Well, 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.760 and here's the thing though, they were all labeled as Satanists. 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.520 But but there's there's no evidence whatsoever that any of 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:45.560 them we're Satanic. And like in truth. Yeah, you know, well, 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:49.360 I was reading about one the Luciferians. They actually they 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.800 may have been, although their concept of Satan wasn't that 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.359 he was evil. Their concept was that he was the 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.120 one true deity and that he had been tricked into 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:03.160 being kicked out of heaven unfairly by a treacherous Jehovah, 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.520 and that um, it was actually Lucifer who was supposed 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:10.320 to be in charge, and that Jehovah was oppressing everybody. 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:12.439 So if that's true, then yes, as far as the 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.320 Church goes out, is as satanic as you can possibly 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.679 get in your beliefs, because they were in total opposition 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.879 to the Church in their beliefs as well. But that's 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:24.200 I mean, for the most part, most of these other 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.000 groups were not in any way, shape or form satanic 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:29.840 as as you would think of it today. Well, yeah, 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.000 and Ed even points out and here the grabster that 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:36.840 by that that there's there's no evidence in world history 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:40.560 that there's ever been any long term organized group of 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:46.040 people that worship Satan as some evil entity. That's a 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.680 huge one, because that's that's one of the ways that 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:55.600 Christianity was able to smear its rivals by by suggesting 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:59.560 that they were part of a huge, massive cult, Satanic cult. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.639 And I mean like, if if there's a supernatural entity 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:08.639 that's bent on getting you and making your life terrible, 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.399 and there's actually people on earth who are following this person, 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:14.280 it's going to make you stay to the straight and 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:19.200 narrow of your prescribed religion even more, right, Baron Brimstone 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:23.399 and whatnot. Yes, I grew up with that, you know, Yeah, 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:25.800 I was. I can't remember which show I think it 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.399 was during Satanic Panic. We talked about the Devil Worship 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:32.840 House in Stone Mountain that it was the scariest place 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.560 I had ever driven past on the way to steak in. 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:40.680 Ale Man, I mistaken, Ale? Are they done? They're surely 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.320 they're around, right, There's probably like one in Vegas and 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:47.639 one in Hong Kong or something weird like that. It 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:49.200 would be funny for the one on Hong Kong was 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:53.840 like this retroobrack themed American thing, you know, it's like 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:57.280 America in the eighties. Um, all right, well let's talk 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:01.480 about Anton LaVey. Then what time has come? Oh wait, 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:03.880 I want to I want to say one more thing. Um, 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:08.680 So in the I think the fourteenth century, the Knights templar, 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:12.959 another esoteric order, but a military order. We're accused of 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:18.520 worshiping Batha Met, and Batha Met is Satan with like 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:22.119 the goat's head and horns. Um, that's the great looking 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.840 statue they tried to put up in Oklahoma. Right, Well, 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:30.199 Batha Met is most likely an alteration or mistranslation or 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:34.920 something of Mohammed, and that it was used to basically 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:40.760 include Mohammed as uh Satan in the Christian ethos when 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:46.080 the Christians first encountered Muslims during the Crusades. So it 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:48.160 was like the same thing, but a thousand years after 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:50.920 they did it to Biel's Abub, they did it to Mohammed. 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:53.399 And we should do like a tin parter on the 0:23:53.440 --> 0:24:00.040 Crusades starting now. I just tried to think of I 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:01.960 would be up for that. I don't know. I don't 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.280 think so. Um, all right, can we invite Anton LaVey 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:11.400 in the Ghost of Anton LaVey it is Jonathan's strickling. Uh. 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:13.800 So this dude, he was born. He is the founder 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:17.000 of the Church of Satan. If you did not know that, Um, 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:19.160 a cup of picture of him. You've probably seen him before. 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:22.679 Bald head goatee. Uh you know. It does bug me 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.280 about all Satanists is if you just look up photos 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.960 of prominent ones or meetings, they're always doing these faces. 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:32.479 Yeah like you never I mean actually, ironically, the only 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:34.679 one I've ever seen smile in a picture is the 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:37.600 current High Priestess. His name is Peggy, which I think 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:42.280 is adorable. She's this is a cute old lady. Yeah 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:46.119 and not even that old, but yeah, she's like really 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:51.440 old lady. Huh yeah, oh no, she smiles and photos, 0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.400 but every other picture, like you know, their eyes are 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:57.159 big and they're frowning or they're licking their teeth or something. 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:00.960 Come on. I was on the True Your Statan website 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:04.720 yesterday and um, I saw a picture of some Satanists 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:08.199 all smiling. But it was because Anton LaVey had a 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:11.399 naked woman over his knee and a spanking area. So 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.280 they do smile in some pictures. Okay, yeah, well that 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:20.680 makes sense. So Levey was born Howard Howard Leave Howard 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:25.400 Stanton Leave in Chicago, and um, the more I read 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:29.600 about him and his early years supposed early years, the 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:32.920 more he sounded like l Ron Hubbard. Yeah kind of, 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:37.200 because um, l Ron Hubbard and Anton LaVey both. If 0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:40.120 you ask them about their backgrounds, they'll tell you one thing. 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:44.040 If you ask someone else, others who like Lawrence Wright, 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.920 who does research, they say, I really can't find any 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:49.200 evidence of this stuff that they claimed. Yeah. I mean, 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:54.760 if there was anyone who subscribed to lying, it's just 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.800 as much as you possibly could. As a form of showmanship, 0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:02.000 Anton LaVey was definitely that guy. Yeah. So he says 0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:04.679 that he had a very colorful upbringing. He worked at 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:08.320 a circus, he was worked at side shows. He was 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:11.800 a police photographer, which may have been true. He was 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:17.120