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Speaker 3: This is the Cowboys Nation podcast with instant reactions and

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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, you know what time?

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Speaker 5: And it is time for the Dallas Cowboys Podcast Nation

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Speaker 5: and we are going to break down Day one of

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Speaker 5: the draft, what was and more importantly, what will be

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Speaker 5: as we look forward to day two with Patrick Hawker,

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Speaker 5: long time Cowboys scribe Mickey Spagnola, who was doing this

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Speaker 5: job before our own Amber bar Garcia was born. And

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Speaker 5: I knew whoa But that means Mickey's sage Mickey. Through

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Speaker 5: the years, Mickey has become mine. All well, Mickey's the guy.

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Speaker 2: Go to him.

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Speaker 5: Mickey, make me feel good about something, you know, like

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Speaker 5: let me ask you all that. So that's what I'm

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Speaker 5: you know, my time when Mickey back in the old

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Speaker 5: days and one oh five through the fan the Alimodome,

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Speaker 5: when we were doing those early radio hits. Yes, this

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Speaker 5: is way back in the day, man, Yes, mix been

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Speaker 5: around for a minute.

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Speaker 4: Here. We appreciate his knowledge, all right. I want to get.

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Speaker 5: Everyone's thoughts on Tyler Guidon offensive tackle Oklahoma being the

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Speaker 5: number one pick the Cowboys were at twenty four.

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Speaker 4: They end up trading down, they end up picking an extra.

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Speaker 5: Third, and so they get Tyler Goyton, And we're going

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Speaker 5: to start with you ladies first.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I'm just glad they were able to

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Speaker 6: get an offensive lineman, and I love that he has

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Speaker 6: a flexibility to play both positions guard and tackle and

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Speaker 6: just move around. But it was it was kind of

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Speaker 6: surprising that they were able to be able to trade

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Speaker 6: back because as offensive linemen and offensive guys just kept

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Speaker 6: falling off the or getting picked on the board, you

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Speaker 6: started wondering, Okay, ooh, what's that guy left, that other

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Speaker 6: guy left, that one left, Okay, what are we going

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Speaker 6: to do here? But they were able to manage to

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Speaker 6: essentially get exactly what they were looking for and want

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Speaker 6: in which was do a trade back but still stay

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Speaker 6: in the first round, get a guy, and then add

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Speaker 6: another pick later in the draft. So they were able

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Speaker 6: to get everything they wanted. I know this guy, he

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Speaker 6: has the size, and you Patrick, you were with him

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Speaker 6: earlier this morning.

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Speaker 4: You'll talk about that.

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Speaker 6: But I love the fact that the Cowboys have such

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Speaker 6: a great history drafting offensive lineman in the first round.

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Speaker 6: It's been very, very successful. So that's what I'm tying

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Speaker 6: myself into, Like, Okay, they know what they're doing every

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Speaker 6: time they draft a first round pick with a no lineman,

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Speaker 6: And yes, I trust absolutely what will McLay and his

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Speaker 6: team the evaluations that they do throughout the pre draft

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Speaker 6: and all of that. So I'm excited. I'm excited to

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Speaker 6: see him, and I'm excited to hear how excited he

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Speaker 6: is to be part of the Cowboys, but more than that,

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Speaker 6: be able to try to follow the footsteps of Tyron

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Speaker 5: All right, hoping to hear from him at three point

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Speaker 5: thirty right here at the Star where we are doing

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Speaker 5: this podcast at right now, all right, Mickey Amber said

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Speaker 5: she trusts the Cowboys. Trust requires three things. Time, proof, inconsistency,

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Speaker 5: right it comes to taking offensive line in the first round,

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Speaker 5: they have some of that.

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Speaker 4: Give me your initial thoughts.

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Speaker 7: My initial thoughts were their intent was to trade down.

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Speaker 7: So when I interviewed Jerry for the draft party, we

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Speaker 7: taped something around four thirty, and I said, Hey, you've

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Speaker 8: Draft day trades.

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Speaker 7: What are the chances you trade down, pick up an

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Speaker 7: he said eighty percent chance.

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Speaker 4: Wow, he gave it. He gave it to his trade.

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Speaker 7: So the truth, I was like, all right, let's go.

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Speaker 7: So I knew trading down and I thought trading down.

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Speaker 8: Is what they should have done.

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Speaker 7: Because by time they got to twenty four, you know,

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Speaker 7: and when you looked at the board, it's like, okay,

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Speaker 7: somebody you want. Well, if they had four, if I

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Speaker 8: Fourth of those four.

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Speaker 7: Because they certainly would have liked Graham Barton, they would

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Speaker 7: have liked Josh the tackle from Arizona Jordan. Yeah, and

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Speaker 7: then Darius Robertson was in play. They liked him, the

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Speaker 7: So the last guy standing of the four was Geiton.

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Speaker 7: And my only reservation is he hasn't played that much

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Speaker 7: college football, hadn't started that many games. You know, when

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Speaker 7: Tyron Smith started three years at Southern cal and.

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Speaker 8: He was only twenty years old.

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Speaker 7: So now you've got a guy with limited experience and

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Speaker 7: he's going to change positions because he had been a

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Speaker 7: right tackle. Now I understand he was on the right side,

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Speaker 7: maybe because the quarterback was left handed and he was

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Speaker 7: be able to make that transition. To me, the key

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Speaker 7: thing of this whole deal is what they do with

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Speaker 7: because that's what they did in twenty thirteen with Travis

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Speaker 4: So let me go back a little bit here.

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Speaker 5: When you talked about him not playing a lot of football,

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Speaker 5: I tended tex to Gary Patterson, he's coach at TCU recruiting.

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Speaker 5: He said he was a basketball player, ended up just

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Speaker 5: When I think basketball player, offensive lineman, very tall guy

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Speaker 5: Rayfield right comes to my head, right, and you do

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Speaker 8: Rayfield played a lot of football though, right.

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Speaker 7: This guy transferred from TCU and arrived there as a

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Speaker 7: him to offensive tackle. He just didn't start that many

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Speaker 7: he's got good feet, So you need to have good

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Speaker 7: So but again, think about it this way. He was

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Speaker 6: Well, he when we were at the press conference last night,

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Speaker 4: My Oh boy, oh boy.

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Speaker 6: The last thing I have is future time. I'm needing now.

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Speaker 6: So that's a The experience is kind of concern.

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Speaker 7: You don't you don't want Chuma Doga biding time until

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Speaker 7: he's ready to start, please.

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Speaker 9: Please, So when it comes to the lack of experience,

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Speaker 9: you could you could cut that in two different ways.

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Speaker 9: One you could say lack of experience that that creates

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Speaker 9: a concern, justifiably. So you could also say lack of

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Speaker 9: experience means he hasn't had enough time to pick up

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Speaker 9: for him to transition to a left tackle position because

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Speaker 9: he hasn't committed four or five six years of his

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Speaker 9: a deep foothold at right tackle. And speaking with the

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Speaker 9: and I quote, I prefer left tackle. So he's going

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Speaker 9: does have elite footwork. I spoke with him about, you know,

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Speaker 9: how playing basketball helped him in that aspect, helped him

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Speaker 9: have some of the best footwork in the class he does,

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Speaker 9: and he admitted he does need to work on his

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Speaker 9: to grow. Absolutely, If not, he would have been like

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Speaker 9: a top ten pick. I love what Ambar said. The

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Speaker 9: Cowboys did find themselves in a situation where, you know,

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Speaker 9: But the defensive run that started at pick number fifteen,

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Speaker 9: that's what really helped the Cowboys get in position where

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Speaker 9: they could probably trade down. And anybody that's been following

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Speaker 9: me the past few weeks, I've been team trade back

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Speaker 9: for weeks now, and more specifically, as I put in

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Speaker 9: my mock draft, I wanted the Cowboys to hold tight

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Speaker 9: So I think they worked it wonderfully. I love what

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Speaker 9: Mickey said in the aspect of if you hit on

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Speaker 9: Tyler Smith. They both are brutal, they both love to

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Speaker 9: grew up a Cowboys fan, and we hear that a lot.

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Speaker 9: But if you look at some of the footage that

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Speaker 9: off of the plane adorned in.

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Speaker 2: Shard choice jersey.

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Speaker 9: Right, his father at the locker room, putting the helmet on,

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Speaker 9: their emotional their crime, and his whole family.

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Speaker 6: Angel figures on the field, laying on the ground.

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Speaker 9: This is a family you can tell by his father

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Speaker 9: has been a lifelong Cowboys fan. He's raised his kids

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Speaker 9: to waiting around to be so.

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Speaker 5: So go down the table here starting with you, Mickey,

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Speaker 5: and you kind of went down that road a little bit.

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Speaker 4: What if he's not a day one starter.

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Speaker 5: I looked in at the to me coming into the draft,

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Speaker 7: You know, he kind of sanctioned this pick.

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Speaker 7: So again, when you make that bet on the trade down,

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Speaker 7: But they knew what Kansas City wanted, right, because they

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Speaker 7: So they knew that. Uh, and then they they they

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Speaker 2: So the kick and play he's big man, big kids play.

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Speaker 4: He's a big man.

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Speaker 8: Now we can start with that.

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Speaker 9: He walked up to brock Hoffman to introduce himself in

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Speaker 9: It was like you remember the movie Twins, Yes, the

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen Tyler Gut yet.

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Speaker 2: It's a big guy.

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Speaker 4: But I remembered the first time I saw Walter Jones.

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Speaker 7: As a matter of fact, when I was headed down here,

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Speaker 2: He is imposing, he's huge, Yes, he really is huge.

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Speaker 4: Mister walk sir in your own world that you were

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Speaker 5: What would you like to see Jerry do with this

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Speaker 9: I agree that it's unbelievable, But we are also analyzing

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Speaker 9: the team who has a roster with Ceede Lamb on it.

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Speaker 6: So I say that to say happened yesterday in the draft?

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Speaker 9: You just never know, Hi, Atlanta, Yeah, exactly, so you

447
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Speaker 9: just never know.

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Speaker 2: So again I say this is my cowboy.

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Speaker 9: If Edwin Cooper, for whatever reason, is there at fifty six,

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Speaker 9: you cannot make that call fast enough likely that he's not,

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Speaker 9: which means, now here's the hat that Jerry's wearing. I

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Speaker 9: don't know if he could have talked up Jonathan Brooks

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Speaker 9: anymore to the point where Steven and Will had to

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Speaker 9: pull him back.

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Speaker 10: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Yeah, high high.

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Speaker 9: In my thirty years of doing this, he's the best

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Speaker 9: player interview I've ever had.

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Speaker 2: He's high high.

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Speaker 9: Okay, we already knew the Cowboys were high on Jonathan Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Hig high on Jonathan Brooks.

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Speaker 9: We already knew that doctor Dan Cooper Lee, physician for

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Speaker 9: the Cowboys, is who did his uh his ACL surgery

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Speaker 9: to repair of the twenty ACL.

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Speaker 2: So there's a.

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Speaker 9: Direct line right there. No, none of the teams has

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Speaker 9: as much medical insight on that particular player as the

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Speaker 9: Dallas Cowboys. We also know that the Dallas Cowboys love

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Speaker 9: to use their second round picks as their dice rolls.

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Speaker 9: And we also know that the Cowboys have a very

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Speaker 9: big need at running back. So I think if Jonathan

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Speaker 9: Brooks is there, which is more much more realistic than

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Speaker 9: Edrec Cooper, I think they go Jonathan Brooks, there.

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Speaker 4: Your dream scenario, round two, pick fifty six.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I should say what's really on

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Speaker 6: my mind, because that's why we do the show man. Okay,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna say it, but I still have needs in

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Speaker 6: the offensive line. Center is one of them big, biggest needs.

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Speaker 6: But at the same time, and we hear all the

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Speaker 6: time how the Cowboys, you know, they you draft for

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Speaker 6: best talent available and for some reason, And I don't

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Speaker 6: want to get to ahead of myself because it's too

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Speaker 6: early and too soon to tell what Tyler may become. Got. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: just to specify yes, but right now, to me, after

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Speaker 6: the pick, it just felt like you kind of were

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Speaker 6: forced to draft because of need rather than best talent available.

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Speaker 6: And that's just me personally, and it goes back into

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Speaker 6: the amount of experience. So therefore, even though they drafted him,

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Speaker 6: I still feel a big void in the line. In

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Speaker 6: the offensive line, specifically center. You're gonna need that. But

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Speaker 6: going back to for example, you were talking about the

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Speaker 6: running back for me, even though that's needed, I think

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Speaker 6: the conversation is about this whole Ezekiel Elliott and then

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Speaker 6: having a couple of beers and they just casually ran

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Speaker 6: into each other and all of that. I feel like,

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Speaker 6: if you solidify the O line, I think, let's say,

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Speaker 6: if the Zeke happens and they're able to bring him

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Speaker 6: back along with the guys that you currently have Rico Dowlan,

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Speaker 6: the combination of that, you can't have a decent running

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Speaker 6: game that I don't know why you're making that because.

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Speaker 2: You're on Twitter as well.

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Speaker 9: You ever seen that gift where it's like the young

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Speaker 9: girl and she's like, why not both? That's how I

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Speaker 9: feel about it when it comes to attacking center. Over

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Speaker 9: the course of the second round and the third round,

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Speaker 9: preferably no later than the seventy third overall pick that

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Speaker 9: you got back from the line that you got from

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Speaker 9: the Lions. You have to be centered no later than that. Okay,

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Speaker 9: that's why I one hundred percent agree. And you and

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Speaker 9: I know, because we're on the break together. You know

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Speaker 9: how much I value center. I value center more than tackle,

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Speaker 9: even though I value tackle as well. But it's about

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Speaker 9: protecting the interior of the line. So I want to

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Speaker 9: see that I'm right there with you. And yeah, the

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Speaker 9: Zeke News spoke more in depth with Jerry and Steven

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Speaker 9: after the press conference yesterday where they really got a

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Speaker 9: little bit more serious about it. It wasn't as casual

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Speaker 9: as they made it out to be. It's a very

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Speaker 9: real thing. Zeke could be back in the building, but

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Speaker 9: drafting and running back is not going to preclude them

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Speaker 9: from possibly reuniting with Ezekiel Elliott, so that's key as well.

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Speaker 9: But even if you get Jonathan Brooks and you have

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Speaker 9: Ezekiel Elliott and you have Rikudaldo, whom I'm a big

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Speaker 9: fan of, you're still going to need your.

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Speaker 2: Horses up front.

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Speaker 9: And Brockhaffman can be a horse for you, but can

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Speaker 9: he be the horse effective Week one, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: If you believed that, then.

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Speaker 9: You wouldn't have these conversations saying, oh, well, I could

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Speaker 9: still get a quality starting center as late as the

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Speaker 9: third round.

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Speaker 2: So they believe in Brockhaffman put with an asterisk mickey.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 7: And you know, I think with picking up the extra

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Speaker 7: third round pick, you're in a pretty good position in

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Speaker 7: the second round that you don't have to just draft

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Speaker 7: for need, because you've got a lot of needs. I've

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Speaker 7: been saying all along, starting with the first round. If

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Speaker 7: I had a dart board and I took off the

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Speaker 7: numbers and put positions, and I'm blindfolded through a dart

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Speaker 7: whatever I hit they need. They had a lot of

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Speaker 7: needs coming into this center, running back, linebacker, defensive tackle,

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Speaker 7: maybe defensive end. You name the position, and I can

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Speaker 7: make an argument that.

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Speaker 8: They need that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, who's your fourth defensive back by the way, right now.

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Speaker 7: So again, with that second round pick, I think they

548
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Speaker 7: have the luxury to say, well, okay, let's see who's here,

549
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Speaker 7: and I'm going to get the guy. And they mentioned

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Speaker 7: it yesterday. That makes this team better not by position,

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Speaker 7: but by talent. And the other thing we got to

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Speaker 7: consider with that extra third round pick, now their third

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Speaker 7: round pick, which is what eighty seven, you could package

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Speaker 7: that now you would have a luxury, or you can

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Speaker 7: package a fifth to move up if you see somebody

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Speaker 7: you really want. So the centers are there. I was

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Speaker 7: a fan of Zach Frasier West Virginia. He's still there.

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Speaker 7: The linebacker that we just talked about, Uh Cooper, is

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Speaker 7: there a defensive tackle that's still there. I don't know

560
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Speaker 7: what they feel about his background, but he's pretty talented.

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Speaker 4: The linebacker from St. Peyton Bart Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And that guy's got.

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Speaker 5: Some that's that's that's he in the in the center

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Speaker 5: from Oregon. There's there's some medical questions. But but but

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Speaker 5: again potentially, I mean I put it. I guess based

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Speaker 5: on that they should be they should be a consideration.

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Speaker 5: And we know they're the ones who take the flyers

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Speaker 5: on those guys.

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Speaker 8: Right, especially in the second round.

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Speaker 7: And and that would include Jonathan Brooks right coming off

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Speaker 7: the a cl Now, every indication is that he's doing well,

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Speaker 7: but he's not with them rehabbing, right, he's rehabbing with

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Speaker 7: whoever he's doing. So they would get him for two months.

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Speaker 7: They feel pretty good from you know, the assessment of

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Speaker 7: doctor Cooper doing the surgery that all he tore was

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Speaker 7: is ACL. Nothing else, No meniscus, no lateral you know, ligament,

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Speaker 7: no MCL. It was just the ACL. And they feel

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Speaker 7: like he would be ready to at least start training

579
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Speaker 7: camp on pop to get in better condition before they

580
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Speaker 7: opened him up to football.

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Speaker 8: So the Zke thing doesn't affect.

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Speaker 2: That exactly at all. Exactly.

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Speaker 7: Zeke is a one year Hey, we'd love to have

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Speaker 7: you kind of little insurance he could be there what

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Speaker 7: Marion Barber was before he took over the starting job. Okay,

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Speaker 7: we're at the five yard line, Zeke, get on in

587
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Speaker 7: there and get in the end zone.

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Speaker 8: By the way, let's not have to take.

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Speaker 7: Three shots to get in the end zone. So yeah,

590
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Speaker 7: all those positions they they have a need, and these

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Speaker 7: next three picks I think are vital that they hit

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Speaker 7: guys that can contribute, not necessarily as a full time starter,

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Speaker 7: but somebody that can contribute to make the team better.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's take our break. I want to know for you.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we're sitting here, it's day two of the draft,

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Speaker 5: round draft pick. Tyler Guide out of Oklahoma, six foot eight,

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Speaker 5: massive man who's going to be manning a tackle position

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Speaker 5: for the club. The Cowboys have three picks in Day two,

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Speaker 5: pick fifty six in round two, pick seventy three in

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Speaker 4: In round three.

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Speaker 5: What is the one position that you say, if they

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Speaker 5: make these three picks, they better have this spot.

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Speaker 2: Take in Patrick center?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Mickey.

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Speaker 8: Center.

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Speaker 7: And we don't know the answer to this, like what

662
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 7: they're going to do with Michael Parsons linebacker or defensive end. Okay,

663
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 7: So if he's a linebacker, I need a defensive lineman.

664
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 7: If he's a defensive lineman, I need a linebacker. True,

665
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 7: So maybe what they do will tip hand on where

666
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 7: the plans are.

667
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 6: You don't think he'll stay kind of the same role

668
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 6: that he's been having.

669
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 7: I think he is not as effective as a full

670
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 7: time defensive end as he can be as a linebacker.

671
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 8: And then then when it's third and eight, then he's

672
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 8: a defensive end. He can rush.

673
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 7: I don't want people on first and ten knowing where

674
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 7: he's lining up because I want to be able to

675
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 7: blitz him. I want him to be able to chase

676
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 7: and not get neutralized by a three hundred and thirty

677
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 7: pound offensive lineman when he's two fifty.

678
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 5: Go back to what Rick Goslin had. He stacked up

679
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 5: some numbers for the late Derrek Thomas when he was

680
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 5: playing in the four to three and when he's playing

681
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 5: the three to four, much more effective as a linebacker.

682
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 5: And what you talked about there being able to really

683
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 5: utilize the skills to make people think about what he

684
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 5: could do well.

685
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 7: When I when he first caught my attention before the draft,

686
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 7: he's playing linebacker Penn State, and he could diagnose the

687
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 7: hole to hit to make the tackle in the running game,

688
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 7: and God knows, this team better get better against the

689
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 7: run or I don't care what they do on the

690
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 7: offensive line, they're gonna have to outscore people because if

691
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 7: they can't stop the run the way they couldn't stop

692
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 7: it in the six losses they suffered, then they're going

693
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 7: to be no better than they were a year.

694
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: Ago, which for me is I've got to see a

695
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 4: defensive tackle.

696
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 8: I'm not mad at it.

697
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 5: I am sitting here to myself and I don't know

698
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 5: what exactly is going on with Mazzi, but I'm not

699
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 5: just going to trust he'll be better in year two

700
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 5: and everything's about I need to see some beef. And

701
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 5: then I go back to and all of us here

702
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 5: at the table to understands the Cabs did a great

703
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 5: job of making sure dan Quinn had the type.

704
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: Of personnel that he wanted. If you're going to make.

705
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 5: This work, from my Zimmer, you've got to give him

706
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 5: what he wants, and the personnel's different.

707
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 4: Mike likes big boys up front.

708
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 5: He also likes bigger linebackers, so you have to change

709
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 5: the person you have and that means to me, you've

710
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 5: got to get some beef up front. Mickey, you talked

711
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 5: about the fact that the six get losses they had

712
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 5: people able to run down their throats, But how about

713
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 5: the playoff losses San Francisco and Green.

714
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 7: Bay ran on well and what and by the way,

715
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 7: when you mentioned Aaron Jones the four to three and

716
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 7: Mike Zimmer, Steven went out of his way to point

717
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 7: out that Mike Zimmer likes to play a four to three.

718
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 7: He wants three linebackers on the field, not some skinny

719
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 7: ass safety acting like a linebacker.

720
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 5: Right his philosophy is his philosophy is different than Dan Quint's.

721
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 7: And again, and I'll let amber go here real quickly,

722
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 7: when Michael Parsons did the interview with Jordan Love from

723
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 7: the Super Bowl, and he basically asked him, what did

724
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 7: you see that how you attacked our defense? And he goes, well,

725
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 7: I don't like the talk, meaning he didn't want to

726
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 7: talk smack, but he said, we realized last year when

727
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 7: we played you, we beat you running the football, and

728
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 7: then we realized you had a safety playing linebacker. So

729
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 7: we figured we're going to start running and that'll open

730
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 7: up everything else.

731
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 8: And that's exactly what happened.

732
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 7: So three linebackers right now, if Micah is a linebacker,

733
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 7: then I can make an argument for three linebackers. With

734
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 7: the addition of Kendrick Clark and Parsons. But if he's

735
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 7: a defensive end, I got two linebackers, I can't play

736
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 7: it four to three and over shown.

737
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 8: But again coming back.

738
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 9: And he didn't have his rookie season to go through

739
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 9: the learning curve exactly.

740
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 7: So now he can still come in and help me

741
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 7: at the nickel, right if I move Parsons to the

742
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 7: defensive end, and I got overshown, But I need linebackers.

743
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 7: And you know another reason I need linebackers because if

744
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 7: they're going to play this new deal on kickoffs, I

745
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 7: need linebackers to be able to cover.

746
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 5: You are correct, Bill Belichick's talked about it. Yes, linebackers

747
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 5: are going to be be something in.

748
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 9: Neede to Mickey's point, and we can let me make

749
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 9: sure I get.

750
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 6: Oh how kind of you? You're good? Uh No, I

751
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 6: would say absolutely. Center for me, that's number one priority

752
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 6: right now. But after that, whoever is the best player

753
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 6: available in the front seven, I'm good with whatever position

754
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 6: that can play all those positions that you just mentioned, Mickey,

755
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 6: whoever is the best player available. But going back to

756
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 6: the to the O line, it's such a necessity, more

757
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 6: so to me personally, more so than drafting a great

758
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 6: running back or someone that's really good. Because we saw

759
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 6: it last year and we all talked about the running

760
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 6: back room here with the Cowboys, even when they still

761
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 6: had Tony Poller. I feel like, and I'll just speak

762
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 6: for myself, all of those running backs were talented guys,

763
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 6: but still they were yet they were not productive.

764
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 4: Really we're difference makers.

765
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 6: They were not. Tony started picking it up towards the

766
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 6: end of the season, the last month of the season.

767
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 6: But even so, where I'm going at is, I'll take

768
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 6: it back to the O line and you having a

769
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 6: very very solidified O line, not only for the passing

770
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 6: game because they did okay last year protecting Dak and

771
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 6: all of that, but you have to establish the run.

772
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 6: And I think it starts with the O line and

773
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 6: a center, a really good center that you can be

774
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 6: that plug and play type of guy that you're hopefully

775
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 6: not having to give him a ton of what do

776
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 6: you call that to grow development and having to wait

777
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 6: on that. But yeah, that's the main priority for me

778
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 6: right now.

779
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 8: Now here's the other thing.

780
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 7: And I don't know if we got an indication of

781
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 7: this or not on how much they trust brock Kaufman.

782
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 9: Well, Steven said yesterday, and this is why I said,

783
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 9: I believe they believe in brough Kaufman. They definitely believe

784
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 9: in him, but there's a very obvious asterisk. And I

785
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 9: don't think the asterisk is to his lack of ability

786
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 9: or ceiling. It's to the fact that they don't I

787
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 9: don't know that they believe that this summer is enough

788
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 9: to turn him into a full time center, which is

789
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 9: why they're entertaining getting a center no later than the

790
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 9: third round. And I'm completely fine with that. But when

791
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 9: you talk to Stephen Jones that we did last night

792
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 9: after the press conference was over, we asked about, okay,

793
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 9: this third round center coming in, what does that mean

794
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 9: for brock Kauflin And he said, whoever comes in better

795
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 9: bring their lunch pale, because brock Kaufman's not going away easy.

796
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 9: He's not going to give up that center position easy.

797
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 9: So they want a lot of competition there, which is fine.

798
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 9: But you got for me, you got to come away

799
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 9: with the center on day three, and I hope it's

800
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 9: before you go on the clock at eighty seven, so

801
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 9: preferably seventy third overall. Two yeah, in day two and

802
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 9: then Mickey to Mickey's point, the Cowboys again, they obviously

803
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 9: need linebacker help. Eric Kendrick coming in does help them

804
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 9: a bit in that capacity, especially with him being able

805
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 9: to talk to DeMont and Marveon Overshowing and whoever the

806
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 9: rookie might be help them acclimate quickly to Mike Zimmer's

807
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 9: defensive playbook. That's the intangible that works in their favor also.

808
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 9: But if you know that you need a linebacker, particularly

809
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 9: one who might be giving some special teams help as well,

810
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 9: that's a lot of wear and tear. This is why

811
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 9: I'm out on a guy like Peyton Wilson. NC State

812
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 9: skill set ridiculous, right, production ridiculous.

813
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: None of those things are up for question.

814
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 9: But I don't know how you can cover the Cowboys

815
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 9: or be in this organization and not have PTSD for

816
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 9: injured linebackers who have medical red flags. How many times

817
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 9: are you going to be stung by an elite talent

818
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 9: or a situation I should say, whereas an elite talented

819
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 9: linebacker whose career ends early because of injury, that win

820
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 9: with Nick Sean Lee hamstring soft tissues wouldn't hold up

821
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 9: most recently Leyton vander USh Nick. Now you look at

822
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 9: Peyton Wilson's injury history, no doubting what he can do

823
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 9: when he's with you in the field.

824
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: And I've said this before.

825
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 9: The Cowboys run of bad luck at linebacker is so

826
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 9: concerning that I think Peyton Wilson can go somewhere else

827
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 9: and be a know, all pro linebacker and for ten years,

828
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 9: or and he'll mess around and come to Dallas and

829
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 9: dot dot dot.

830
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 8: Or he could go somewhere else and play two years

831
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 8: or that.

832
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 7: Right, So he's had he's had two acls and this

833
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 7: is in college.

834
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 8: Right, this ain't the NFL.

835
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: It's too much.

836
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 7: He's had two acls, He's had a left shoulder twice,

837
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 7: a white right shoulder, and an ankle operation in twenty fourteen.

838
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 9: So so longevity, talent wise, no question, durability wise, if

839
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 9: you're the Cowboys, how can you not how can that

840
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 9: not scare you off?

841
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 4: So if it was pick one, seventy four in the

842
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: fifth round.

843
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's a guy. He's not probably somebody.

844
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 4: When I just throw it out, then it's time.

845
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 2: But you say it shouldn't have the same level.

846
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 5: If you say eighty seven, you're like no, so, and

847
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 5: that's that's what we're talking about for me, these walking starters.

848
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, you need some guys here to make some.

849
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 6: Like the And to that point, if it was any

850
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 6: other off season, any other draft in other years, then okay,

851
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 6: because we've seen the Cowways take risk in the second

852
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 6: round pick and taking whatever guy fell down and because

853
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 6: of injuries they bring him on. That's the their mo

854
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 6: is that how you say that's their remo for second

855
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 6: round picks. But the point is, because of what everything

856
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 6: is around this off season, what happened, what did not

857
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 6: happen in free agency, the amount of pressure that there is,

858
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 6: I don't think you would want to take the risk.

859
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 9: It's far too much risk, and especially when the linebacker

860
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 9: position has the depth it has, because you have other

861
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 9: guys that you can, you know, give a shot Jeremiah

862
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 9: Trotter junior out of Clemson for example. If we're talking

863
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 9: fourth round, maybe a guy like Cedric Cedric Gray NC

864
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 9: also an acc talent played against Peyton Wilson.

865
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: You don't right, so get it before.

866
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 9: Because you have you already have your static picks for

867
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 9: twenty twenty five, and given who left in free agency,

868
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 9: you're confident you're going to max out the number of

869
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 9: comp picks.

870
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: So if you.

871
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 9: Play it that way, you have you can go away,

872
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 9: go ahead and trade away some of your twenty twenty

873
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 9: five static default pitch picks to get another four get

874
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 9: a fourth round pick. So now you walk away, you

875
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 9: got two thirds because you got the third from Detroit Lions.

876
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: And then maybe you use a.

877
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 9: Couple of picks in the package from twenty twenty five

878
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 9: to get you back in the fourth round for twenty

879
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 9: twenty four. Because again it's about right now. You worry

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Speaker 9: about the later later, and you got the compicks coming anyway, you.

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Speaker 7: Gotta figure you're gonna get at least a fourth and

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Speaker 7: exactly you might get a third exactly. So if all

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Speaker 7: these guys that signed, thank.

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Speaker 2: You, Durrance Tyler, yeah, bash, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 7: Just get out there, Just get out there and play.

886
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Speaker 2: That's the way that hey, you should.

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Speaker 7: Get a pick now, producing a head coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not wrong.

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Speaker 4: This is fun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, let's go and we'll see exactly what the

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Speaker 5: Cowboys do. So they are drafting in round two and

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Speaker 5: expected to make that pick at fifty six seven forty three,

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Speaker 5: the third round pick number seventy three overall, expected to

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Speaker 5: make that at eight forty six and another third round

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Speaker 5: pick eighty seven expected to make that at nine thirty pm.

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Speaker 5: Of course, make sure you're on Dallas Cowboys dot com.

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Speaker 4: I got it.

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Speaker 7: One question, one question. Who's the best defensive tackle left?

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Speaker 2: So Andre Switt, the kid from Texas.

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Speaker 5: And now once again I think of what does Zimmer want?

901
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 5: This guy fits what Zimmer wants. You need to give

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Speaker 5: it to him. And I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I go back to the playoff losses and you just

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Speaker 4: see that you you just run down your throw. It's

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Speaker 4: got they have to stop that.

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Speaker 5: And if Mozzie can come back around and do whatever

907
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Speaker 5: whatever find but I'm not counting on I can't trust

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Speaker 5: Mod's because trust requires three things, time, proofing, consistency said yes.

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Speaker 4: Uh ind Intael boy from Texas, and we limited all

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Speaker 4: your friends. I want him, limited all your friends.

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Speaker 7: I want him And walking through that door right next

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Speaker 7: to Tyler.

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Speaker 9: Get listen to Andreswat would not be the first player

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Speaker 9: to suit up in the Cowboys uniform that needed some.

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Speaker 2: Help life coaching.

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Speaker 9: Yes, okay, So if there's any organization that has the

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Speaker 9: facilities and the personnel to be able, and again we

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Speaker 9: talk about Mike Zimmer, you talk about a coach who

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Speaker 9: might be the right man for life coaching Devandres.

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Speaker 7: What.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm with that. That's why I mocked him as

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Speaker 9: my second round pick. All right, everybody, enjoy the draft.

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Speaker 5: It is rounds two and three today, then four or five,

924
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Speaker 5: six and seven tomorrow. That starts at eleven am the

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Speaker 5: or third day, Day two starts at six o'clock. And

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Speaker 5: make sure you're checking it out everything out you need

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Speaker 5: to on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 4: This has been Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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Speaker 5: Yes,