Speaker 1: Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 1: You know, it was so depressing about last week's show,
Speaker 1: was what you just said to me? You went home? Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm so sad about it. I went to my twelve
Speaker 1: year old, my nine year old, and my five year
Speaker 1: old was the five year old. I just nine. I
Speaker 1: was like, guess who I just talked to. They're like
Speaker 1: I was like, Shaia Twain and they're like, that hurts
Speaker 1: my heart. It's just because we're old. We are young.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think they like with my parents generation,
Speaker 1: like if they were like James Taylor, I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: James Taylor is amazing. Do you know, like Richard Marks,
Speaker 1: Like hello, love Richard Marks. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: everyone I don't know that's still a little older than us,
Speaker 1: really right, I think it is Richard. I mean I
Speaker 1: know who they are, but what everybody our age don't know.
Speaker 1: It was just sad. I was like, you know, from
Speaker 1: like the nineties, oh wait, oh wait, you weren't even
Speaker 1: anyway that was excited. Um. The Memorial Day weekend was
Speaker 1: a good time. We had a little pool party. I
Speaker 1: got a little sad. It's hard being the single girl
Speaker 1: around like husband and wives. You know, it's kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: I get that this is this is nice. But then
Speaker 1: at the same time I had your husband grilling, I
Speaker 1: had Sais husband picking up dog poop with some plastic bags.
Speaker 1: So it was like my rental husband's. But no, it
Speaker 1: did like I got into a weird funk, which I
Speaker 1: started to feel bad about because I'm like, this Memorial Day,
Speaker 1: people have died today, and yet I'm in a funk
Speaker 1: because I'm lonely and like sad that I don't have
Speaker 1: someone with me. Well, I think that's okay. And I
Speaker 1: think that especially for someone like you that just loves
Speaker 1: couple of things. I love couple of things, a couple
Speaker 1: of nights, a couple of this intentional nights, Like I'm
Speaker 1: a couple of person. It's going to be hard, which
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even think I saw my husband
Speaker 1: yesterday because he grilled the whole time. So like, but
Speaker 1: I'm also not you know, but I get it. I
Speaker 1: knew you were a little I could tell. It just
Speaker 1: makes me sad and not And here's the deal, Like
Speaker 1: even at parties before I like when someone checks in
Speaker 1: with me, like I don't I don't want the person
Speaker 1: like hanging on my side the ensure time, but I
Speaker 1: like it check in. I like someone to be like,
Speaker 1: come and grab you a little bit, like that's just me,
Speaker 1: Like I want that, and I never got that, so
Speaker 1: like I'm the same time part I'm kind of like,
Speaker 1: it's not like I really had that anyways, but it's
Speaker 1: still like knowing that, Yeah, I could write, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I get it. I do get it, but at
Speaker 1: least with like that group, like the guys are kind
Speaker 1: of like your brother's so it's kind of like, but
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, speaking of brothers, I fight. I
Speaker 1: fought like brother and sister with my next guest, and
Speaker 1: that would be the one and only Glove seven Schenko Glove.
Speaker 1: I'm actually really excited to have Glab on the show
Speaker 1: because he was my Dancing with the Stars partner and
Speaker 1: he's never come on the show, and I'm just excited
Speaker 1: to talk to him because obviously he's going through life
Speaker 1: changes as well, and I think, um, he's in the
Speaker 1: waiting room. But I have to just have to let
Speaker 1: Catherine tell this story of like not the first time
Speaker 1: you met club, but what was happening? Where are we
Speaker 1: at That's what I was going to ask you. I
Speaker 1: think there's New York. Were we in New York? No, No,
Speaker 1: we couldn't have been in New York because it's New
Speaker 1: York first, and this was at least a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: And surely this dance, Oh yeah, this dance was like
Speaker 1: the like the fifth last dance I did. Why were
Speaker 1: we We were some in some hotel take it away?
Speaker 1: Oh god. Um. I don't think it's like vague to me,
Speaker 1: but I just remember we were somewhere at a hotel
Speaker 1: and I had my own I mean obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: I had my hotel room, you had your hotel room, whatever.
Speaker 1: But somehow I think it was your hotel room. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Somehow we end up in my hotel room.
Speaker 1: And they have to practice their dance, you know, and
Speaker 1: they have like certain hours and they do all that,
Speaker 1: you know, they go to the studios or whatever. But
Speaker 1: they needed like a few minutes to just practice their dance.
Speaker 1: We needed a bed, oh yeah, because the whole routine
Speaker 1: was about being in a bed. So I'm like, it
Speaker 1: was hard to do it on the floor because we
Speaker 1: need an actual bed. So I'm like, so we go
Speaker 1: to the and I make you come because I'm like
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like in bed with him,
Speaker 1: you know, like, so I made you like be there.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. But it was like a sweet
Speaker 1: So I just remember that it was like a separate,
Speaker 1: separate bedroom and I was in like the living room
Speaker 1: part of it while y'all like practice for a little while.
Speaker 1: You're like you just stay in there for a little bit,
Speaker 1: like like just trust me, Like just stay in there
Speaker 1: for a little while. And then you're like hey, So
Speaker 1: it's like what are they doing? And so then you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: come here, come watch for a minute. And it was
Speaker 1: the bedroom scene dance which everybody remembers, the shower scene,
Speaker 1: the showers of the shower. It was in a bedroom.
Speaker 1: Now start in the bed and then like we roll around.
Speaker 1: Is that I came in there and they proceeded and me,
Speaker 1: I'm so awkward anyway, especially with like physical talk. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I don't ever try to hold Catherine, say
Speaker 1: just a guy. So I'll look in and they're literally
Speaker 1: rolling around on the bed and I've never been more uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And literally, anytime I think of Glad, that's all I
Speaker 1: think about. Yes, terrible. Well, let's bring him in high glad.
Speaker 1: How are you do you remember Catherine? Hi? Remember Hi?
Speaker 1: Good morning? How are you doing good? How are you?
Speaker 1: So we were just talking about I wonder if he
Speaker 1: remembers I mean, do you remember when we did the
Speaker 1: shower dance and we need it? Who can forget a
Speaker 1: shower dance? I know he remembers that, right, But remember
Speaker 1: when we because the beginning of that dance, we were
Speaker 1: in a bed and we're like, we need a bed.
Speaker 1: So I was like, well, let's go to the hotel room.
Speaker 1: And then I had Catherine and I think tarn was
Speaker 1: there too. Someone else not in that Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like a several people there. I remember in my mind
Speaker 1: I was the only one. But I just remember like,
Speaker 1: first of all, okay, there, I have like so much
Speaker 1: to talk to you about. Let's just start with that dance. Though,
Speaker 1: Um that was like I I was even uncomfortable and
Speaker 1: I'm like a pretty you know you know, but like
Speaker 1: that dance in the bed was like like sexy. Well listen,
Speaker 1: the original idea was I wanted you to start with
Speaker 1: two other guys, right, and they did not approve that
Speaker 1: because they the show and whatever. So I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: how can we can make it work. We'll just put
Speaker 1: you alone in the bed, and but it was, it worked,
Speaker 1: It worked out perfectly. It was great. Oh my god, glad.
Speaker 1: I totally forgot that you wanted two other guys. And
Speaker 1: I remember being like, I'm so uncomfortable that this is
Speaker 1: the show that my dad is coming to. I actually
Speaker 1: have a video from a rehearsal somewhere because I didn't
Speaker 1: have two guys, I had three different girls were like
Speaker 1: doing it and I'm like trying to portograph choreograph on them,
Speaker 1: you know, So I have this video of them doing
Speaker 1: the thing. It was. It was. It was thank god
Speaker 1: we didn't use that because it was it would have
Speaker 1: been terrible. Thank god. No. Yeah, I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm glad that it ended up the way that it did.
Speaker 1: But I do have to say like the fact that
Speaker 1: my father was in the audience at that dance, like
Speaker 1: you know, we did like the cute little like jive
Speaker 1: and we did this, that and the other, and it's
Speaker 1: like that's the one that he sees like like would
Speaker 1: on the line when it says, come on, give me
Speaker 1: a taste, Like I still I still to this day, like,
Speaker 1: can't watch that dance because I'm like, oh my god, like,
Speaker 1: how did av see approve that? I know, it was crazy,
Speaker 1: but it was crazy. It was crazy good. I wish
Speaker 1: we could have done actually that dance as a freestyle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would have been so like epic and so sick.
Speaker 1: But I mean we did get our first four tents,
Speaker 1: and Pitbull even gave us. And I remember I was
Speaker 1: so stressed because I was like, you know how it is.
Speaker 1: We finished on the show and like in my head,
Speaker 1: like I already started chotographing the next dance because I
Speaker 1: have to teach you a little of the next day.
Speaker 1: And you we got a first dance and you were like,
Speaker 1: let's go and celebrate, and I was like what, like
Speaker 1: celebrate what? Remember that? I was like, I want to celebrate.
Speaker 1: We got on first hand, and I was like so
Speaker 1: caught up in the next thing. I was like, nah,
Speaker 1: let's just keep pushing. And that's when we were like
Speaker 1: I had a little, a little not a fight, but
Speaker 1: it was like what no, we definitely we had our
Speaker 1: first fight after that those four tents. Remember it was
Speaker 1: the next dance. It was like the oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: what it was like the washer dryer scene. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a samba samble, which I hate, I hate. I
Speaker 1: hated it to my core, like hated it, hated it.
Speaker 1: And we had to rehearse that. You were on tour
Speaker 1: and we were somewhere like in that weird studio. We
Speaker 1: had literally nothing, no windows, it was darker. It's just bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember we so and I've said again what did
Speaker 1: you do? Then the stars again? You know, wait, would
Speaker 1: you be my would you be my partner? Or or no?
Speaker 1: I know maybe we'll pair you with Alan. Um, I
Speaker 1: would do it one of you're my partner, okay, no
Speaker 1: nobody else Alan, now nope, no, no, because we we
Speaker 1: deserve a do over. Okay because you got sick? Yeah
Speaker 1: the last um you draw at me on the on
Speaker 1: the finale, it was the worst. Like we were we
Speaker 1: were in the top obviously, what did we make it?
Speaker 1: We're top four? But then it's like I screwed so bad?
Speaker 1: Like could you write like I got sick like really
Speaker 1: the week before and I also got injured. Remember how
Speaker 1: like you who did you rehearse with Alan? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you flew to New York with Alan to rehearse some
Speaker 1: kind of dance, and I mean also, it was so
Speaker 1: exhausting for you because you were on tour. You just
Speaker 1: had Jolie literally like six months before you're like looking
Speaker 1: after a baby. You were doing dancing all the stars. What.
Speaker 1: I cannot have imagine how you did all of that
Speaker 1: at the same time I was separated from you. Were
Speaker 1: hurt too for like a while, yeah, like really bad
Speaker 1: because I remember coming to visit you and he could
Speaker 1: not move. I'm like, how are you dancing? Yeah? The
Speaker 1: second week, we remember, we were up in the red
Speaker 1: what is that called the Kissing Red Room, and he
Speaker 1: was like showing me something and I just I mean,
Speaker 1: I my innercostal muscles or whatever. I basically tore them.
Speaker 1: And I mean since yeah, I mean for weeks I
Speaker 1: was injured and it hurts. I can't that I can
Speaker 1: leave you remember all of that, because I actually I remember,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know that you actually didn't remember all
Speaker 1: of that very vivid memories of my dancing with the
Speaker 1: stars dive. Um, yeah no, but I I have I
Speaker 1: feel like I have to like take back something that
Speaker 1: I've said, because I've I've said that you were mean before.
Speaker 1: I mean, actually, it's so funny because Nicky Glaze and
Speaker 1: just told me the same thing. And I never think
Speaker 1: of myself that I could be mean. Look at me,
Speaker 1: I'm the nicest guy, the nicest Russian, Like, no, I
Speaker 1: can'not be But she told me the other day, she
Speaker 1: was like, you actually will really mean. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was it like a language bearer that I would
Speaker 1: say something to me would be normal that like you know,
Speaker 1: I demand like if I saw you one straighten your leg,
Speaker 1: it's like I would expect you to do it all
Speaker 1: the time. And that's why I want to correct it
Speaker 1: because I think, um, you were tough, and like I
Speaker 1: love tough, but I think, yeah, I mean, it might
Speaker 1: be the language barrier a little bit too. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you're like you always make stronger like
Speaker 1: stronger legs, and it's like, dude, I'm trying, like I
Speaker 1: am not a dancer. I know you're trying to make
Speaker 1: me ad answer, but like I I wish I could
Speaker 1: do the I wish I could look like Jenna and
Speaker 1: Emma and all those other girls and Whitney. But I'm
Speaker 1: like I I'm like literally trying my hardest, and I
Speaker 1: think I've I've talked to like Bobby Bones about this,
Speaker 1: and you know, Lauren, you're you know, your previous partner
Speaker 1: and you know where it's like you go in and
Speaker 1: it's like you're so excited, but then when you hit
Speaker 1: like the second or third week, you are just so
Speaker 1: mentally and emotionally just like just wrecked because you're like,
Speaker 1: I suck, I'm not good at anything. I'm the worst.
Speaker 1: Like and because it's just and you're putting yourself out
Speaker 1: there and it's it's it's embarrassing. Then you've got a
Speaker 1: Russian screaming at you things you know, stronger legs and like,
Speaker 1: I'm trying listen. It's sometimes here's the thing us as
Speaker 1: pros and I actually I've learned this along the way.
Speaker 1: You know over those years that you still want to
Speaker 1: make it fun for a celebrity. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: want to kill completely kill the vibe. You you she
Speaker 1: will never become a professional dancer. You know. It's a
Speaker 1: balance of two things. You want her to enjoy the process,
Speaker 1: enjoy the competition, but at the same time you want
Speaker 1: to push her, like so you don't want to always
Speaker 1: have fun because it's not gonna get you anywhere, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? It's still but it's about so
Speaker 1: sometimes like when I work, I kind of forget about
Speaker 1: it and then started just drilling and drilling and drilling.
Speaker 1: And when it goes over and over and over and
Speaker 1: for you, like you said, you're not a professional dancer
Speaker 1: and someone there's dude every day for eight hours a day,
Speaker 1: it tells you that you suck. You kind of get
Speaker 1: annoyed too, you know what I mean? Like you're like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm trying, but you know so, yes, So now I'm
Speaker 1: a little different. I'm actually making it more fun for
Speaker 1: my partners. Because I was your first US partner, right, No,
Speaker 1: you were my second. Wait, because your first one was Li.
Speaker 1: Did she just say an interview that she's in love
Speaker 1: with you or something, or that she wishes or something
Speaker 1: about having sex? She said, we had an emotional connection. No,
Speaker 1: no MSR or something like that. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what it means. Like I was like, listen, we gotta
Speaker 1: to learn some She said that she wished she wished
Speaker 1: that she slept with you. Lisa vander Pop said that,
Speaker 1: oh I love Mesa Lisa Vanderpup. What yeah, that she
Speaker 1: wished that she's left with you. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: we you know, she's married to Kim and I love
Speaker 1: Kim okay, and I was married at that time. So
Speaker 1: and like, I mean, here's the thing, Like I don't
Speaker 1: all like you he can do it right, Like do
Speaker 1: you wish that you slept with her too? Club? What? No?
Speaker 1: I mean, I I will say though, like I love
Speaker 1: this conversation. By the way, this is amazing, this is
Speaker 1: so fun. We're happy to have you on here. But
Speaker 1: I will you know, it's you're very intimate. I mean,
Speaker 1: for example, like our shower dance and other dances and
Speaker 1: we are up. I don't know if I like knowing
Speaker 1: that because it's like and essentially you're falling in love
Speaker 1: in a dance, right, Like we had to be act
Speaker 1: and be emotionally connected to each other and sexually connected
Speaker 1: to each other. And obviously we had really good chemistry.
Speaker 1: But if I was like, like, I don't think I
Speaker 1: could handle one of my like if a boyfriend or
Speaker 1: a husband, I don't know, because it's like you you
Speaker 1: have to have that, Like I don't know it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like listen, it's like acting, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Chapters Mary, they have family and then
Speaker 1: you know you book a movie where you have to
Speaker 1: be naked making out with a hot dude and you're
Speaker 1: like shooting somewhere in Canada for four months. But it's
Speaker 1: just acting, you still, you know, it's it's not real.
Speaker 1: It's like you're transported in a different world. So you
Speaker 1: want to create that illusion, you know that. And you
Speaker 1: do have to have chemistry with I think with your
Speaker 1: partner because it's important to work together, you know, like
Speaker 1: you'd so much time together every single day. Um, you
Speaker 1: don't want to hate each other, you know. But kind
Speaker 1: of like with the acting thing though, it's almost like
Speaker 1: Gleab is the normal actor and the other dancers are not,
Speaker 1: which is a conversation you have with people all the time.
Speaker 1: Like when you're the actor, it just feels like a job,
Speaker 1: but if you're not a normal actor, it doesn't. It's
Speaker 1: so true. Yeah, for you, it's a lot easier too
Speaker 1: because you're an actress. Like even though you're doing something
Speaker 1: completely foreign to you, like your dance saying, but you're
Speaker 1: putting yourself in character, you know what I mean When
Speaker 1: I told you, like you have to be all this
Speaker 1: like icy like that. You know you're doing it even
Speaker 1: though it maybe it's not like perfect or whatever, but
Speaker 1: you trying and when you're actually putting yourself out there
Speaker 1: like doing it, committing to it, then it looks like
Speaker 1: a dope freaking dance. Yeah. No, that's so true though,
Speaker 1: because it's like I always talk to people and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's so not like it's just acting and there's no like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have chemistry, but it's not. It stops there when
Speaker 1: the scene ends, you know. And um, yeah, so that
Speaker 1: makes that makes total sense. What you're saying to I,
Speaker 1: who is your favorite partner? You don't have to say me.
Speaker 1: It's that you are my favorite partner. You are my
Speaker 1: favorite partner. You know it. If we could go if
Speaker 1: you could go back and redo our stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: our season, what would be different that you would want
Speaker 1: to take into I think because here's the thing. Like
Speaker 1: when we were on the season, I was taking a
Speaker 1: week at a time. I was just like, this is
Speaker 1: our last week, and we were on the bottom to
Speaker 1: six times, like every time we go from week two,
Speaker 1: we're on the bottom two and we never got eliminated.
Speaker 1: So I was I thought, we're gonna go home every
Speaker 1: single week. Now, what I would do differently, I would
Speaker 1: just face ourselves, you know, like I would take it slow,
Speaker 1: like you don't have to do your best best work
Speaker 1: every single week, even though you want to try it,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you don't want to stress about it. And
Speaker 1: because I was stressed, so stressed that I got sicked,
Speaker 1: that I got you know, exhausted, that I got weak,
Speaker 1: and the whole thing just fell apart. Even though we
Speaker 1: made it fine, we could have been, we could have
Speaker 1: want like you could have won it. You're that kind
Speaker 1: of work material that actually can win the show. That's
Speaker 1: why I want to go back and like redo it.
Speaker 1: And then do you remember this is the funniest thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, but I got
Speaker 1: we got into a fight. You called me a E
Speaker 1: I T H. I remember exactly how it was. I
Speaker 1: will remember exactly how it was to be so late,
Speaker 1: and it drove me crazy because I'm like respect my
Speaker 1: time as well, like I have my kid, I'm separated
Speaker 1: from my husband, Like I'm like, you know, I was
Speaker 1: like stressed years that I know, So it was like
Speaker 1: a semifinal something. It was still that was in the
Speaker 1: end of the show. We have this master interview. Master
Speaker 1: interviews you huge interviews, so important, right, so important hold
Speaker 1: one production like temp producers on set all this like
Speaker 1: lighting this set up for us. And I'm late for
Speaker 1: about thirty four, like literally late for the whole thing,
Speaker 1: just because I was in wardrobe fighting them over Janna's dressed.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, yeah, And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: we'll have like and I had this whole conversation with them.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to be late for this
Speaker 1: mastering me like no, we we're gonna do this and
Speaker 1: this and this, and I know how like she would
Speaker 1: look beautiful in this. So I sit down and she
Speaker 1: gives me this attitude la it I did. I was
Speaker 1: like like at least like anyways, she snapped like she
Speaker 1: said something really annoying, and I was like, you're a
Speaker 1: bit like. I was like, and she oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was like she everybody kind of went like oh uh.
Speaker 1: First of all, like I'm sorry, Okay, I shouldn't we
Speaker 1: have already. I know, I know we were just we
Speaker 1: had a lot of high energies. Out of the room,
Speaker 1: she threw the mic sort of stone out like I
Speaker 1: ran up. I was like, okay, what do I do? Shoot?
Speaker 1: So I ran on the street. I stopped for the
Speaker 1: cameras followed that like some babe, we are in it together,
Speaker 1: let's do the job, let's just dance, let's just and
Speaker 1: they've never actually they showed a little bit of it,
Speaker 1: but they've never actually showed the whole thing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they showed, and I was I was glad they
Speaker 1: didn't show mad at me, you know, And I have
Speaker 1: to apologize to because I I had so much going
Speaker 1: on with like my ext just coming back from rehab
Speaker 1: and like, you know, the baby and the stress and
Speaker 1: the show and like. And then I think when when
Speaker 1: you called me that, I was just like no, no,
Speaker 1: like and then and I wanted to win two. I
Speaker 1: wanted to make you happy, and I wanted you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted all of that. So it was I think
Speaker 1: it was just we were just when you spend that
Speaker 1: much intimate time with someone and work and there's so
Speaker 1: many emotions, and then on top of it, like you
Speaker 1: had your family stuff going on. I had my family stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's a lot, you know. But I
Speaker 1: would I would do it again, minus the bitch com
Speaker 1: I would do it again. I would do it all
Speaker 1: again over. I really would. It was it was. It
Speaker 1: was a good time, who is your least favorite partner?
Speaker 1: Can you tell me it's only just us three? Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, I don't have like a least favorite partner.
Speaker 1: There's always comes like I love everybody, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking pretty much staying in touch with everybody. But when
Speaker 1: it comes to dancing, like if you can say, if
Speaker 1: you can tell me who like probably was like the
Speaker 1: least experience dancer and like with a lot of challenges
Speaker 1: that obstacle that came my way, I would probably say
Speaker 1: Nikki Glazer. She's so cool though, and I love that
Speaker 1: y'all just like went out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He cares about dancing. So I would be like, if
Speaker 1: I would have to choose between this and this, I
Speaker 1: would take definitely Nicki, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: a I don't want to manage that other people's names.
Speaker 1: But do you have like a celebrity that if you
Speaker 1: could just pick someone to be your partner? Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know, help me out, let's brainstorm. Let's right now,
Speaker 1: you don't have like a dream person that would be
Speaker 1: like the ultimate dance partner. Honestly, no, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know, because well we'll figure that out. For you.
Speaker 1: It really depends you can be here's the thing, Like
Speaker 1: you can be an amazing dancer where you can be
Speaker 1: very like flat of no personality, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You can have a huge personality and really dancer. You
Speaker 1: can be kind of like, you know, dancer but teachable
Speaker 1: and likable and famous with great personality that you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like a balance of everything. So the perfect
Speaker 1: personally who can win? Got it. It's funny that, like
Speaker 1: every time Glob gets a new partner, I secretly get
Speaker 1: like kind of jealous because I'm like, because it's such
Speaker 1: a fun experience, Like even through all the ups and
Speaker 1: downs we had, like it was still such a fun
Speaker 1: experience and like to be able to do something that
Speaker 1: was so out of my comfort zone. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: do I always get a little like, uh, like because
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to go back and do it. Um.
Speaker 1: But I will say, you know, throughout the years, you know,
Speaker 1: we haven't stayed in like in touch a lot, but
Speaker 1: I will say I I greatly appreciated, Um, you reached
Speaker 1: out to me when you heard about my break or
Speaker 1: my my breakup, and it's just like you've been You've
Speaker 1: been so sweet and kind like through through it and
Speaker 1: because you know you've walked the same path, and I
Speaker 1: just I really appreciate you reaching out and you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of helping me, um with with you know, questions,
Speaker 1: because I was asking him one time, like how do
Speaker 1: you do it? Like how do you like? How do
Speaker 1: you co parent? Like when you're angry? And how do
Speaker 1: you like because you're you're going through that. So I
Speaker 1: just appreciate all the support that you've you've shown me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's life. You know, life happens, and we just keep moving.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta keep moving. You just gotta do
Speaker 1: what's best for you. Um. You know, in my situation,
Speaker 1: we I love Elaine, I respect I have huge respect
Speaker 1: to her. Um. Of course she's the mother of my kids,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, UM, it's hard at
Speaker 1: times because you know, no one's perfect and there's always
Speaker 1: but you have to communicate. There's a conversation, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: when it's in the early stage, I feel like it's
Speaker 1: really hard to do because you can't really stand each other,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You're like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to see your ass at all. But because you have kids,
Speaker 1: and like you know, we we just decided that we're
Speaker 1: not going to speak about like anything, nothing negative in
Speaker 1: front of the kids. You know, regardless of what's going on.
Speaker 1: We can have an appointment with a lawyer and the
Speaker 1: mediator and have a huge, massive fight in the morning,
Speaker 1: But when we're together with kids, like you know, I
Speaker 1: pick up a living from school and I take her
Speaker 1: to a dance studio, and I see her in a
Speaker 1: dance studio, we're cool, you know what I mean. We laugh,
Speaker 1: like I get her flowers from Mother's Day things like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean That I want to show
Speaker 1: my girls that how that should treat their mom, which
Speaker 1: is really important to me, you know, because they should
Speaker 1: know that how they should be treated in the future,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, so that's important and
Speaker 1: everything else. You know, it is what it is. Do
Speaker 1: you feel that you're kind of on the other side
Speaker 1: of it now, Like do you are you Are you happier?
Speaker 1: Do you feel lighter? Like do you feel like you
Speaker 1: made the right choice? I mean, here's the thing, Um,
Speaker 1: it's not about making the right choice, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? It just it just happens. Whatever supposed
Speaker 1: to happen happens. So It's not like, you know, like
Speaker 1: one day you wake up and you're like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be with this person anymore. That's it, right,
Speaker 1: It's kind of like it gradually. It's it's you know,
Speaker 1: a long time coming, you know. So there's like a
Speaker 1: lot of issues that we were going through try to
Speaker 1: make it work. There's several times like broke up and
Speaker 1: live separately for a little bit and tried to make
Speaker 1: it work. I tried my best to make it work.
Speaker 1: She tried for best to make it work. There are
Speaker 1: certain things like when they're like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: when the energy is not there, there's no there's really
Speaker 1: nothing really just kids holding you together. So that's that
Speaker 1: becomes the end. I'm curious to like on dating, because
Speaker 1: you know, it looked like you had moved on quite
Speaker 1: fast after the breakup, you know, and we were just
Speaker 1: having this conversation where it's like she asked me, like
Speaker 1: when would I want to start dating? By the way, no,
Speaker 1: I know, not now, but like you you know, use
Speaker 1: some girl went to Camba with you and like you
Speaker 1: were guys were like, you know whatever, and so Katherine
Speaker 1: was asking, She's like, when are you going to start
Speaker 1: doing and I'm like, I feel like there's this like
Speaker 1: timeline that like we're supposed to you know, not move
Speaker 1: fast into relationship or not you know, go to the
Speaker 1: next one. But at the same time, it's like if
Speaker 1: you meet someone, then it's like why would why would
Speaker 1: I push out a beautiful person in my life just
Speaker 1: because the timeline says that I should probably take more
Speaker 1: time or that I shouldn't move too faster. Where where
Speaker 1: like your thoughts on dating and kind of moving on? Um,
Speaker 1: how was Miami? By the way, it was so fun.
Speaker 1: Nothing happened, but it was so fun. So I mean
Speaker 1: that's listen, here's the thing. You see, Like you went
Speaker 1: to Miami, you took your time just for yourself to
Speaker 1: enjoy your friends, with your girls, have fun, like sometimes
Speaker 1: you even need to date anyone and just have a
Speaker 1: good time. It's all about the energy surrounding yourself with
Speaker 1: the people you want to be with, you know, and
Speaker 1: having that like recharge yourself, like find yourself back, like
Speaker 1: have that you know, wake up in the morning and
Speaker 1: be excited about life, you know, and have your way
Speaker 1: of doing things, not like you know, someone tells you
Speaker 1: that you have to do this and Okay, of fine,
Speaker 1: because you don't want to make this person upset or something,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, dating if it comes,
Speaker 1: it comes, if it's not like it's not so it's
Speaker 1: not like you wanna go and like, oh now I
Speaker 1: need to date. No, you know, you just I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I don't have we actually thought of it. Um,
Speaker 1: the cowboy thing, Um, it was just a good times
Speaker 1: a little bit. And you know, well listen, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I tell you this. When you're married for fifteen years,
Speaker 1: and you were married for fifteen years, I was married
Speaker 1: for fifteen years, there's a lot of spouses support right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know it. Come on, we're like man to
Speaker 1: man speaking like, Yeah, that one's I'm not ready to
Speaker 1: talk about that one. And I'm still it's a little
Speaker 1: bitter about that one. Yeah, but anyway, so listen, cowboys beautiful.
Speaker 1: But I want to go to Tuloom next time. I've
Speaker 1: never been to Tuloom. Let's go. That's friends, friends, like true,
Speaker 1: they just took that one and ran with it, levenge
Speaker 1: and and go to because I had so we just
Speaker 1: but I mean, listen, what's wrong with that? Friends? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've danced on the show for four months. We've stayed
Speaker 1: in touch, like what's right, Like when you're in the
Speaker 1: l A, let's go to dinner, And I would love
Speaker 1: to go to dinner. Yeah, no, I would love to.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be there like a week or so,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I would love to see you. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm curious to, um, what are you? Like, what are
Speaker 1: you doing now? So that the show starts in fall
Speaker 1: right this year? Yeah? Okay, so and are you for
Speaker 1: sure going back? Well I wish I want to, of course,
Speaker 1: but we don't know until the very last moment, you
Speaker 1: know how they pick up grows until like literally two
Speaker 1: days before we have to start rehearsals, like we have
Speaker 1: no idea who we're going to be dancing with, and
Speaker 1: like our partners will all get stressed and excited. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm excited for it. It's an anniversary season
Speaker 1: season thirty. Oh that sounds fussy. They should have done
Speaker 1: like a like an All Star for thirty. Well here's
Speaker 1: the thing. If you go back in the All Stars,
Speaker 1: like they will never pairs together. Why I don't know,
Speaker 1: because they like to switch it up. See I would
Speaker 1: think people would want to watch. Yeah, the same people
Speaker 1: be partners again. That's why I would watch. I mean,
Speaker 1: we would definitely kill it, like it would be so good.
Speaker 1: What's so, what are you doing then? So if you
Speaker 1: might do the show, obviously you will because you're They
Speaker 1: would be stupid if they didn't have you back on.
Speaker 1: But what what else are you doing? Like are you
Speaker 1: still teaching dancing or I mean this whole COVID thing
Speaker 1: really kind of kill the vibe. With tour, we didn't
Speaker 1: have tours, so we did last season, um with no audience.
Speaker 1: We had to take COVID test every single day, literally
Speaker 1: every single day, no Saturday, Sunday. Um, and we're supposed
Speaker 1: to go in through. We usually after the season we'll
Speaker 1: go on tour for about three and a half months
Speaker 1: and um, this time we didn't go. So I start,
Speaker 1: I had to do something, you know, I gotta hustle.
Speaker 1: I still gotta you know, dance and teach and you know, perform.
Speaker 1: So Um, I've been teaching a lot of online lessons. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm teaching. There's new really cool spot in Malibu called
Speaker 1: Roughs Lounge. I'm doing every Saturday saws the classes there,
Speaker 1: which is still fine. There's a lot of people, Um,
Speaker 1: and it's just survive. You know. It's a cool vibe.
Speaker 1: It's outside, it's right looking over the ocean, right across
Speaker 1: from Nobu. Just it's super like I really enjoy it. Um,
Speaker 1: So when you're in the LA, we should do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I should do that in l A. That would be
Speaker 1: so fun, actually said Saturday's Saturdays. Yeah, you can give
Speaker 1: us all the lessons you can. I have a private
Speaker 1: lesson private tonight. But looking over the beach. Please yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure after being spoused to support, you'll do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll for free for you all do for free. It
Speaker 1: would just be fun to like dance again, you know,
Speaker 1: like I it's a good workout like that would just
Speaker 1: be that would be really cool because I I really
Speaker 1: did enjoy it. If there's one thing that you've learned
Speaker 1: throughout your divorce, everything with the kids and justum, Elena,
Speaker 1: what's what's one thing that like you want to do
Speaker 1: better at and as a person for the next time
Speaker 1: the next go around. Uh, listen, the thing is my
Speaker 1: kids out priority for me. They're everything, you know. I
Speaker 1: feel like, Um, when I worked and there was in
Speaker 1: the season and I was doing tour, we lived together,
Speaker 1: we always had like live in nanny with us, and
Speaker 1: you know, her mom would come in out. I would
Speaker 1: spend less time with kids, and then I spend now
Speaker 1: and we're splitting custody with her, so there are five
Speaker 1: days with me and five days with her. Um. I
Speaker 1: would want to be more present for them, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, just be even though I was present,
Speaker 1: but I would love still too obviously, like besides work,
Speaker 1: like do fun stuff with them more so instead of
Speaker 1: like just you know, nanny's taking care of them, like
Speaker 1: I would do it myself even though I did it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm saying this, Like I just
Speaker 1: like it's good, it's enough, but up, I wish I
Speaker 1: could do more. It's just like it's always not enough
Speaker 1: when I like with with my girls, like I feel
Speaker 1: like I want to be with them a little bit more,
Speaker 1: you know. No, that makes sense for sure, but you're
Speaker 1: also providing for them too, So it's that balance you
Speaker 1: have to walk, which also like I would take And
Speaker 1: here's the thing that I think this is really important.
Speaker 1: I would take more holidays together, you know, even without kids,
Speaker 1: just you know, with like like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: l A and like if I if I speak back right,
Speaker 1: Like with her, I would go more like just take
Speaker 1: our time together, like go to like romantic dinners and
Speaker 1: like go um, you know, holidays, just two of us,
Speaker 1: do something fun stuff like do like some crazy activities
Speaker 1: like go and take a road trip, just two of us.
Speaker 1: You know, if you have a chance to have kids
Speaker 1: with someone and they you know they've been looked after,
Speaker 1: like do stuff fun stuff for for yourself because sometimes
Speaker 1: like you get caught up and work so much and
Speaker 1: you don't spend time together and you kind of stop
Speaker 1: losing that you know that's fun, Like you still have
Speaker 1: to have fun together. Yeah, this is I don't know
Speaker 1: why I started thinking about this when you were talking.
Speaker 1: But for your next relationship, next serious relationship, would you
Speaker 1: are you done having kids or would you have more?
Speaker 1: I would have more? You would, yeah, because I was
Speaker 1: because I was talking with the girls and they were like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well what if you know, and They're like, well,
Speaker 1: what if do you want more kids? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I've just never like I've never had
Speaker 1: to think of that conversation or have that Like I
Speaker 1: never thought I would have to have that conversation again.
Speaker 1: So I mean obviously I'm not kids. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I'm old, I'm having miscarriages, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I don't, but you know, like I know, we
Speaker 1: talked about this last week, but I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I don't think. I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe if I met the one and you know, but again,
Speaker 1: I'm mean to have a kid. I mean I feel
Speaker 1: like it's I mean, it's not easy, but it's kind
Speaker 1: of easy, right, But to actually be with the you know,
Speaker 1: with the kid and be a good parent and like
Speaker 1: commit and like you know, just spend all of your
Speaker 1: time with that person. Just it's really important to me,
Speaker 1: you know, So like if I wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: do that, like if I'm working and I'm like busy,
Speaker 1: Like what's the point of it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I really want to experience that. I really want to
Speaker 1: enjoy that moment. I think that's important for sure. If
Speaker 1: there's anything I was one thing that I would love
Speaker 1: to experience is like I've never been able to like
Speaker 1: whenever I found out I was pregnant, there was always
Speaker 1: like something happening or like in my relationship. So it
Speaker 1: would be nice to experience it in a healthy and
Speaker 1: happy way and like celebrate it and not be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, like because I was happy,
Speaker 1: but like there was always something behind the scenes that
Speaker 1: I didn't know about or I had just found out about.
Speaker 1: So it would it would be nice to not have
Speaker 1: any of that energy and just be like we're pregnant,
Speaker 1: like like what you're supposed to feel, you know. So
Speaker 1: I think that would be the only thing. How are
Speaker 1: you feeling? Like goes in waves, you know, Like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm the only thing that gets me is like the
Speaker 1: other night, I was super overwhelmed. I don't have any help.
Speaker 1: Um uh, And you know, the kids only go to
Speaker 1: school twice a week, so the other days I'm in
Speaker 1: Jason's only half days. So it's just it's hard, and
Speaker 1: you know, there's I had a I had a partner
Speaker 1: in this before, and so one of the days, it
Speaker 1: was just a really really really hard day. The kids
Speaker 1: were just being difficult and I had a lot of
Speaker 1: work to do and I only have like a few
Speaker 1: hours during that time to get that work done. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I just started crying
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I didn't ask to do this alone.
Speaker 1: You know, like I I wanted my husband. I wanted
Speaker 1: my partner to do this with me like this, this
Speaker 1: doesn't feel good to like feel this frustrated and you know,
Speaker 1: have so much mean, you should see my house. It's
Speaker 1: like it's a mess and it's but it's like I'm
Speaker 1: I only have so much time, and it's I just
Speaker 1: feel like I'm kind of like depleted a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I need to ask for help and and you know,
Speaker 1: do that, but it's it's hard, and I get upset
Speaker 1: because again it's like I didn't want to do this alone,
Speaker 1: Like this isn't what I wanted. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be a single mom, you know. But it's not that
Speaker 1: I miss him because I'm very happy. I'm like how
Speaker 1: you guys co parenting, I'm trying to keep the distance
Speaker 1: because I just think it's better for us with less communication,
Speaker 1: So putting the kids first and trying to keep because
Speaker 1: you know, like you said in the very beginning, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of emotions and it's very hard to uh
Speaker 1: be the bigger person when the person that hurt you
Speaker 1: is not nice. So I just now know what I
Speaker 1: need to do now and just I'm just distancing myself
Speaker 1: and you know, we're I'm doing I'm I'm doing my
Speaker 1: partner being nice and that's all I can control. And
Speaker 1: I'm just less communication than better right now, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it sucks, you know, but hopefully one day when
Speaker 1: all the emotions wear off and you know, we can
Speaker 1: be friendly. Right But because I wish, Like I look
Speaker 1: at some couples and I'm like, they're like going on
Speaker 1: vacation together. I don't. I don't want that, but like,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, that's kind of cool. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe who knows, Like, let's try to be adults and
Speaker 1: just get along. Yeah, you know, I love I should
Speaker 1: take some time probably right, But I appreciate your friendship.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, and um, I'm excited to see you
Speaker 1: in l A for a little tango and lunching lunch.
Speaker 1: I'm down for it. Thank you for coming on wind Down.
Speaker 1: Where can our listeners find you? Um, you guys can
Speaker 1: find me on Instagram, Glibs of Chink Official, g l
Speaker 1: eb suf Chin. You can find me on Twitter, um
Speaker 1: gleab underscores Uchenko and where else you can find me. Malibu.
Speaker 1: What's the Malibu classes? Yeah, you can find me Malibu
Speaker 1: Roughs Lounge just Rops Lounge, right across from Noble every
Speaker 1: Saturday at the eleven the m I love it. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you, I will one of the weekends I'm not
Speaker 1: with the kids. I'll come okay, okay, so much love
Speaker 1: to you, and um, I'll see you at the All
Speaker 1: Stars Okay by glob h. We're friends again. I know,
Speaker 1: we've been friends for all He's so sweet. It's just yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's a sweetheart. It's so crazy. They're like, how
Speaker 1: our lives are changing around the same time. How long
Speaker 1: has it been for him? Probably like six months? Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was when it was when the Last Dancing Stars
Speaker 1: Chris was his partner, and then they're the whole headlines
Speaker 1: about them. But there's a couple of months ahead of you, okay,
Speaker 1: a couple of months ahead, which it really didn't mean
Speaker 1: a lot when he reached out, because yeah, it's I
Speaker 1: will say. There's one person, a freend. Well, she was
Speaker 1: actually a really good friend. We're not really friends anymore.
Speaker 1: Actually haven't talked at all. But you realize who your
Speaker 1: friends are when you go through that. Because I didn't
Speaker 1: hear one word from that friend that still blows my mind.
Speaker 1: Not one word, like I heard from people that don't
Speaker 1: even know you, just checking on you. Yeah, like every
Speaker 1: and even like Taryn, my hair makeup lady, like she
Speaker 1: was like I had friends texting me. I know, so
Speaker 1: I know she knows, like she's in the industry. She knows,
Speaker 1: but it's like, how like yeah, so that that kind
Speaker 1: of hurts my feelings. And I've yet too, because at
Speaker 1: this point I'm like, I don't need like it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. It's still hurtful. It's hurtful. Yeah, it's definitely
Speaker 1: hurtful because I would reach out and it's like a
Speaker 1: good gleb and I aren't like besties, but like, you know,
Speaker 1: he reached out. Like it's just so many people reach out.
Speaker 1: Nice to know that people care, and then you realize
Speaker 1: that people that don't really care, well you're better off.
Speaker 1: Well that was a really good episode. Thanks Catherine for
Speaker 1: coming on and reminiscing about the bedroom scene. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: so many memories from that time. Oh that was fun.
Speaker 1: That was really fun. I'm gonna try to post some
Speaker 1: old videos from Dancing with the Stars because yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I miss it so that'll be like,
Speaker 1: I'll put some stuff on my page, um um, and
Speaker 1: we should go to Tuloom just like a big fun everybody.
Speaker 1: Let's all go, let's all go, book your tickets. Wind
Speaker 1: down crew, See you guys next week