Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? We're back to Are You a Charlotte
Speaker 1: with an incredible guest, the one and only Jenny Becksia.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure. We're gonna
Speaker 1: rewatch your very first episode that you wrote for Sex
Speaker 1: and the City. It is episode one oh eight three.
Speaker 1: Is a crowd an incredible episode written by you, directed
Speaker 1: by the also incredible Nicole Hall of Center. So I
Speaker 1: love this episode. I really didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: memories of this episode. I was like, what on earth
Speaker 1: is happening? It's a bold first episode, Jenny. It's bold,
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: It was bold, and yet it was you know, it
Speaker 2: was of the time.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what so of the time. And I
Speaker 1: mean we did touch on this briefly amongst ourselves, but
Speaker 1: to me, it's the first time that the theme is
Speaker 1: really run through all the characters in such a great,
Speaker 1: great way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a magical thing when you find and
Speaker 2: kind of a sexual thing that also ties into exactly
Speaker 2: what your characters might be going through at the moment.
Speaker 2: And we had, you know, Carrie and Big were at
Speaker 2: this point in their relationship where they were getting more serious,
Speaker 2: and suddenly she learns about the ex wife, the other
Speaker 2: third person, and so we're dealing with that at the
Speaker 2: same time that Charlotte is dealing with the fact that
Speaker 2: the man that she's betting or he's betting her. We
Speaker 2: would never have used words like that. By the way,
Speaker 2: betting wants to have a threesome. That's a fantasy, right,
Speaker 2: and she's thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I know it that crazy shirlt Oh my god. And
Speaker 1: also just side note, we have Lisa Emory right, incredibly incredible.
Speaker 1: You all might know from Ozark, where she played a
Speaker 1: very terrifying character. Yes, and in our episode here, she's
Speaker 1: a sweet wife who gets cheated, all know, she gets
Speaker 1: cuckolded and you feel so bad for her. But she's
Speaker 1: very open and she's like, maybe if this would keep
Speaker 1: my husband happy, we can have a threesome. And Samantha
Speaker 1: is not having it. She's the guest star. She's the
Speaker 1: guest star. So that this is a big part of
Speaker 1: the theme that I want to talk about. We can
Speaker 1: go see by scene, but also just thematically. When I
Speaker 1: was watching it, because I didn't remember a lot of it, right,
Speaker 1: Like I told you, already, but when when Charlotte does
Speaker 1: seem like she might be going to have a threesome
Speaker 1: with these people in a very romantic and beautifully lit scene.
Speaker 1: I had a panic when I was watching this in
Speaker 1: my bed last night, thinking why don't I remember kissing
Speaker 1: these two people at the same time? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: am I about to see what are going to do?
Speaker 1: And it wasn't fact a dream it was. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just like, how could I have blocked that out or whatever,
Speaker 1: because I've never had that an you had your top off?
Speaker 1: I did? How about that? And I can one tell
Speaker 1: that I am in a panic because I stepped very
Speaker 1: gingerly forward, which I know I'm just trying to be
Speaker 1: right on my busk so that nobody cards are showing.
Speaker 1: And then I very gingerly reached my hands out like
Speaker 1: in a really odd way, and they take my hands.
Speaker 1: I can so feel the nerves radiating takes such guts
Speaker 1: well too, And I'm curious if you what your thoughts are.
Speaker 1: What I remember, especially from the very beginning, was that
Speaker 1: we all as a group, and I can't speak for everyone,
Speaker 1: but we didn't know what was right or wrong for
Speaker 1: us to show because we didn't really know what show
Speaker 1: we were on, right, And do you remember that show
Speaker 1: dream On that was on HBO where literally every episode
Speaker 1: some random woman just shows her breast, right, We didn't
Speaker 1: want to be that, right. We wanted to be like
Speaker 1: for women, like for women to watch from the female gaze,
Speaker 1: not like titillating. But also we are talking about sex,
Speaker 1: and we didn't want to be fake. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was a very awful it was.
Speaker 2: It was a fine line, yeah, And I think I
Speaker 2: think what's great is because because we didn't show a
Speaker 2: ton of nudity. Honestly, it was true to who what
Speaker 2: the show was, right, right, which was we're not we're
Speaker 2: not real sex on HBO. Now we're a show that
Speaker 2: we're we're talking about it, but you but showing a
Speaker 2: boob just for fun is not the reason people. People
Speaker 2: aren't watching it to hope to catch a sight of
Speaker 2: you know, full frontal nudity, right right, right, right, So
Speaker 2: if they were, they were disappointed, exactly.
Speaker 1: And so if it was appropriate for the scene, you know,
Speaker 1: it's been a little bit like like there was a
Speaker 1: scene in the last word I want to say where
Speaker 1: you see a little bit of my side boom and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I didn't even remember this, right,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean, of course, now you're like,
Speaker 1: it's like my thing people.
Speaker 2: Which was an episode I wrote you you did it.
Speaker 1: I know you owned it. Thank you. It was challenging.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what I liked about that, and
Speaker 1: I also have I mean, there are some times and
Speaker 1: I said something earlier in one of the clickbaity situation
Speaker 1: with the press these days is so stressful because you
Speaker 1: say things because it's so intimate. Right, of course, I
Speaker 1: did see something because there were some awkward times early on,
Speaker 1: you know, with directors, not with you guys, but like
Speaker 1: sometimes in the middle of the night when everyone would
Speaker 1: have gone home, who wasn't in the scene, you know,
Speaker 1: some director would want you to do something and like
Speaker 1: even you know, the other actresses weren't there. You could
Speaker 1: even go to them and be like help me. And
Speaker 1: I would go log myself in my dressing room and
Speaker 1: call my manager back in LA and be like, help me.
Speaker 1: What do I do? The Mick I remember because we
Speaker 1: had talked about it, you know, for some time, and
Speaker 1: it was obviously a very very integral part of the storyline.
Speaker 1: That was a very big important storyline, and because it
Speaker 1: wasn't sexual, it's much easier to have some nudity in
Speaker 1: a non sexual way than to in it like a
Speaker 1: spiritual way. But the thing that I remember about that
Speaker 1: is that the director and the DP and video village
Speaker 1: had been set up because the ad let it happen
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name right now where I had to
Speaker 1: walk and they were smoking cigars what mm. And it
Speaker 1: was like hours because it was the wee wee hours
Speaker 1: because took forever to go down to that tie set
Speaker 1: that we'd built, right and I went to this a
Speaker 1: D and I was like, uh, I'm trying to do
Speaker 1: something here, like with our feeling self conscious, could you
Speaker 1: possibly move all those guys? My god, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I know it's crazy back then what went on? Right,
Speaker 1: And this is a show where we had so much power,
Speaker 1: but we didn't have there were no intimacy exactly that
Speaker 1: those did not exist in our business. No, And even
Speaker 1: in a situation where you theoretically did have so much
Speaker 1: power that all that stuff was still able to happen,
Speaker 1: And then you had to be the bad guy and
Speaker 1: go and say like they can't smoke their cigars literally
Speaker 1: in my eye line when I did that. Anyone's smoking
Speaker 1: a cigar. I'm pretty sure that's ill exactly. No, back
Speaker 1: in the day, they remember on the Silver Cups soundstage,
Speaker 1: we'd be there all night Friday night, and like it
Speaker 1: would just be like a cloud of smoke. You know,
Speaker 1: Sarah was smoking because Carrie was supposed to smoke. McGan
Speaker 1: was smoking. I mean, so many people right, and you're smoking.
Speaker 1: I can't see my mark, you know, I know, the
Speaker 1: olden days, olden days. Anyway, back to the episode, but yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy stuff went on.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but also I will say it was a
Speaker 2: beautifully shot. That moment was beautifully shot.
Speaker 1: Because it's in Charlotte's mind, right, so it's perfection. But
Speaker 1: you had a romantic perfection. Looked beautiful. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that I did it, because of course
Speaker 1: at the time, you're like so stressed and stress and stressed.
Speaker 1: Now you're like, oh my god, I should have just
Speaker 1: been running through the town with my shirt. No, and
Speaker 1: that's what we call clickbait. I know, ladies sometimes think that.
Speaker 1: I do sometimes think that, but I remember having a
Speaker 1: lot of stress about it.
Speaker 2: No, but I do think the other thing and Michael
Speaker 2: talks about this a lot too, is that we always
Speaker 2: wanted the sex to be almost like we never wanted
Speaker 2: to be like like, oh, we're shooting a like a
Speaker 2: soft porn like Red Diary kind of situation, right. But
Speaker 2: I will say the music choices in my episode there
Speaker 2: was like this jazzy kind of sex and music when
Speaker 2: you're in bed with your boyfriend. I'm like, we would
Speaker 2: never have done that after season one, for sure, we
Speaker 2: would not. We would have counterpointed it more well.
Speaker 1: I think that's what was confusing about being an actress
Speaker 1: in season one too, was because we didn't really know, right.
Speaker 1: We weren't really sure what the tone was, right, so
Speaker 1: we weren't really sure in the acting of it also,
Speaker 1: and then sometimes we weren't around when the others were
Speaker 1: doing their sex scenes, right, so, or their romantic scenes
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, so we didn't know what they
Speaker 1: were doing what I'm saying, So there was like this
Speaker 1: kind of like checking in, like what what do you guys,
Speaker 1: what do you think? What do you what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Because like Cynthia, you know her, she's like I don't care,
Speaker 1: you know, but she still hasn't there's she hasn't shown
Speaker 1: much or whatever. And then Kim, I think at one
Speaker 1: point already has but it was like kind of a
Speaker 1: funny she like had a there's a humor kind of
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: I think as long as there's either like the michpho
Speaker 2: where you're in a situation is non sexual, right, or
Speaker 2: if it's happening, it's for really good reason and your
Speaker 2: counterpoint it with something so that it doesn't feel purient exactly.
Speaker 1: But that was the whole key to it, and we
Speaker 1: hadn't really fully gelled on.
Speaker 2: I don't think we knew yeah, because also.
Speaker 1: Not everyone was around all the time to discuss it
Speaker 1: kind of in a thorough way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You were just like, what what did that one? Do?
Speaker 1: You know? No one really knew, right, But what I
Speaker 1: did watch the threesomething that I thought I was going
Speaker 1: to about to have, I didn't remember, and then I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, thank god, I've just dream But I
Speaker 1: could literally tell that I'm just like like frozen as
Speaker 1: an actress, Like I'm just going to take this tiny
Speaker 1: step and then nothing will show, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like there won't be too much barand and they're alway
Speaker 1: side boom. I'm just like just enough stepping, yes exactly.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we digress. But I mean, there's the fun
Speaker 1: things to think about, because I think that the way
Speaker 1: that it developed and the fact that all of us
Speaker 1: were there and had the same goal is why it
Speaker 1: worked out and why we felt safe eventually, Like it
Speaker 1: took a little so that we felt unsafe in the
Speaker 1: me and we were just weren't sure right, like we
Speaker 1: were checking in.
Speaker 2: I just didn't know where the lines were exactly, and
Speaker 2: it depended on the director what they wanted to do,
Speaker 2: you know, and sometimes that wasn't necessarily in line with
Speaker 2: what Darren and Michael wanted, you know, and then you
Speaker 2: had to call people. Yeahs had to be made help
Speaker 2: hel yes, yes, okay, So I'm basically I'm basically oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm meeting the guy at the Benefits all the benefits
Speaker 2: of the diseases.
Speaker 1: His name is Jack. You know, he's one of many guys.
Speaker 1: In the beginning, Charlotte's just trying to figure out if
Speaker 1: she can go with what he wants, and pretty quick
Speaker 1: he seems like he brings up this threesome. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess we have the montage, so it's like there's
Speaker 1: time has passed and I like, I really, this is
Speaker 1: the first time when I'm watching that I feel like
Speaker 1: Charlotte's storyline makes sense. Oh really yeah, Like before there's
Speaker 1: the artist who paints her, which everyone's like, uh, she
Speaker 1: agreed to this, and for me, I mean, I can
Speaker 1: only assume. I think at the time, I just really
Speaker 1: wanted someone to write a storyline for me, right, And
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to have to roll with this.
Speaker 1: And then I also think because it's about her gallery,
Speaker 1: it's about art. So she's like, I'm going to do
Speaker 1: what I have to do because she thinks she's landed
Speaker 1: him as a client and need a big deal, right
Speaker 1: and it's safe up in the woods, and his wife
Speaker 1: was there, you don't, I'm saying, And she likes art.
Speaker 1: She loves art because like when he asks her, one
Speaker 1: are your fantasies? Loved it myself so hard. I just authentically, well,
Speaker 1: I'd like to own my gallery. One It's like I
Speaker 1: didn't mean that exactly, but then I also said that
Speaker 1: I want a house in May, which you do have.
Speaker 2: I do have, which I love that yeah so much.
Speaker 1: So there you go. I love it. Did you want
Speaker 1: that at the time. You know what's interesting.
Speaker 2: So I had spent my summers growing up there, so
Speaker 2: my family had a house there. But I think I
Speaker 2: always imagined I would have my own house.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 2: I didn't then, but now I do. I'm so there
Speaker 2: you go, Just like Charlotte, I got certain.
Speaker 1: Things Charlotte le dream go somewhere. Maybe Harry didn't share it.
Speaker 1: We don't know. We don't know if well, I guess
Speaker 1: we do. I think we would would. I think it
Speaker 1: would come up. She found other Harry didn't. He probably
Speaker 1: didn't want to be in Maine. There's a lot of ticks.
Speaker 1: You know. He's got not like the bugs. He doesn't
Speaker 1: like the bugs. He really really doesn't. It's still going on.
Speaker 3: Okay, back to the show, way back, Okay, So I
Speaker 3: have I get to have the thematic storyline, which is fun,
Speaker 3: and I like that there's like a beginning, middle and
Speaker 3: an end, and then also that there's such a great discussion.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love that discussion. And so I need some
Speaker 1: clarity though, because sometimes people say things that I'm not
Speaker 1: quite sure if I'm hearing correctly, Like basically sam is saying,
Speaker 1: Samantha saying that you don't want to be the guest
Speaker 1: star in the Three Cents. So you do want to
Speaker 1: be the guest you don't want to be the guest
Speaker 1: star because you don't want connections.
Speaker 2: You don't want connections. You don't want to do it
Speaker 2: with like a good friend. You want to be like
Speaker 2: you want to come in and out enjoy it and
Speaker 2: get the hell out of.
Speaker 1: Crazy that Charlotte's like, no, maybe I would want one
Speaker 1: of my friends. But that's so Charlotte.
Speaker 2: She's like she would feel safe that way. It was terrible.
Speaker 1: If she tried to converse. Terrible, okay, just terrible in
Speaker 1: so many ways, Like, oh my god. Anyway, I had
Speaker 1: a moment of fear then too, because I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't remember any of this. She's like, we did
Speaker 1: try to talk her into it. Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: was mortified. Thank god, I do not. But then poor Miranda.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's so adorable. I remember this
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: I know, and I love I really I love how
Speaker 2: Cynthia played it through the episode so brilliant, like I'm
Speaker 2: going to get to the bottom of this, and I'm
Speaker 2: upset and I'm sorry I wasn't chosen.
Speaker 1: I am not upsetting, I know, and she's got this therapist,
Speaker 1: which like, do you ever see this person again? I
Speaker 1: don't think we did. Oh my god, he's an older
Speaker 1: man and he's basically it's like, are you asking to
Speaker 1: have a THREESOMEE?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It's so weird and funny, and it's such a traditional
Speaker 1: looking therapy office where I'm just like, is this what
Speaker 1: a therapy would look like in nineteen ninety eight in
Speaker 1: Manhattan Knows?
Speaker 2: It was probably whatever set we had sat that we
Speaker 2: could put up two flats, some books and some.
Speaker 1: Books totally totally. And then I really love that scene
Speaker 1: what she finds we're out of order, but I don't care, Gus,
Speaker 1: we're following her story exactly. We're following Miranda. So when
Speaker 1: she finds the couple and they're like, no one really
Speaker 1: answers our ad who isn't and they don't want to
Speaker 1: say it. Those actors are so great, they are so great,
Speaker 1: They are so great, and they're so excited to have Miranda.
Speaker 1: They're so excited that it's Miranda. And Miranda looks just
Speaker 1: radiant right every way because she's been chosen.
Speaker 2: And the way Cynthia walks off at the end with
Speaker 2: that kind of Oh good, she launts it with her
Speaker 2: shoulders like.
Speaker 1: She's owning it. Powerful. I mean, she was powerful for
Speaker 1: the get go. She had to remind her she felt,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, but like even when she's like
Speaker 1: her inner strength is so apparent. Oh yeah, and I
Speaker 1: love it so much.
Speaker 2: Well, do I remember that I always loved my Miranda,
Speaker 2: Oh which I was so upset when those quizzes would
Speaker 2: come out and everyone's like, I don't like Miranda.
Speaker 1: It's like you, but that's me. I felt kind of
Speaker 1: the same. Now.
Speaker 2: Well no, thank god, thank god, thank god. But that
Speaker 2: was a very hard you know, it's true.
Speaker 1: I mean, people also thought Charlotte was. They would say
Speaker 1: that I was boring and that it was a prude,
Speaker 1: which is hysterical when you watch it back.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, you were not having half the sex that
Speaker 2: Charlotte was.
Speaker 1: No, I was definitely no. I don't mean you, I
Speaker 1: mean nobody but including myself. We're working on big time
Speaker 1: working and I never was that, you know, she was
Speaker 1: like out there, wow, in beect Miranda. Love that storyline,
Speaker 1: really really love it so fun. But now help me understand.
Speaker 1: At the dinner where we discussed it, when Charlotte's like,
Speaker 1: this guy, once I have a threesome, what should I do?
Speaker 1: And so Samantha's saying it's great, but don't be involved.
Speaker 1: Be the guys start right, And then Carrie's saying, don't
Speaker 1: do it if you don't want to do.
Speaker 2: It right, and then being supportive and saying it's a thing,
Speaker 2: but you don't don't don't feel compelled to do it?
Speaker 1: Got it? And her storyline is more about the emotional
Speaker 1: baggage of Big being married before and her knowing it. Yes, now,
Speaker 1: can we discuss Big a little bit?
Speaker 2: Let's please, let's because I.
Speaker 1: You know, and some of these things made me laugh,
Speaker 1: because you know, Charlotte was always pro Big, as we know, yes,
Speaker 1: and I never questioned it. I feel that I also
Speaker 1: was pro big. I don't remember ever having a thought
Speaker 1: that wasn't pro big. I look back at it now
Speaker 1: and the I'm like, why were we pro big? Oh?
Speaker 2: It's a mess, yes, But in this I feel like
Speaker 2: I am like the original Big defender?
Speaker 1: Are you I do? Well?
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why, because what we wanted to play
Speaker 2: was and we've all had this person in our lives
Speaker 2: at some point, this relationship where it's very the chemistry
Speaker 2: is there. You're drawn to this person and they're just
Speaker 2: unknowable and ungettable enough to keep you going towards them.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, you guys wrote that perfectly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Big, I think had he wanted to get
Speaker 2: closer to her at certain times and he did right,
Speaker 2: And so I think what we did well was portray
Speaker 2: that kind of where you've got this banter, you've got
Speaker 2: this kind of chemical desire to be with each other.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily the healthiest, but it wasn't as unhealthy
Speaker 2: as I think people.
Speaker 1: It was funny.
Speaker 2: I was talking to my niece who's twenty four, and
Speaker 2: she said, oh, Big, it's just a toxic bachelor, and
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, I think that too. When I
Speaker 2: look back, I guess maybe he was. And maybe I
Speaker 2: have a soft spot for the TX. I mean, certainly
Speaker 2: at the time I was dating that kind of we
Speaker 2: all were. So I think we were all playing and
Speaker 2: it was like dashing and ungettable, like you could almost
Speaker 2: get him and then you couldn't. Yeah, but it's funny.
Speaker 2: When Julia and Elisa came on, they were like, we
Speaker 2: don't get Big, we don't get it, we don't understand it.
Speaker 2: We like aiden, and I was like, this is great,
Speaker 2: this is why this works. Well, we can be and
Speaker 2: the writers are having that discussion the same way the
Speaker 2: audience will feel and Carrie will feel.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well that's good. That's helpful. That's helpful.
Speaker 1: So that was your goal, and you guys really really
Speaker 1: did it. Because the other thing that I love about
Speaker 1: it though, is that you know, it's very much from
Speaker 1: the female perspective, right, Like we are with Carrie, right,
Speaker 1: so you know when Carrie's spinning, you know, I'm also spinning,
Speaker 1: like what is going on with him? And sometimes his
Speaker 1: actions don't match his words and she tries to get
Speaker 1: him to talk and he doesn't talk? Why doesn't talk? Mean?
Speaker 2: And such a good friend, like Charlotte was a really
Speaker 2: good friend.
Speaker 1: She still is, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean she she's there for these women at times where
Speaker 2: other people might not be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's true for all four really
Speaker 1: when you think about it. I mean sometimes Miranda does
Speaker 1: actually say to Carrie like that dude is toxic, What
Speaker 1: are you doing? Why are you going back? Or whatever?
Speaker 1: You know, she's very's more blunt. She's like I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell her what no one else is going to
Speaker 1: tell her. And then Samantha is so non judgmental. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean when in you know, the
Speaker 1: best most powerful way, right, not like a lack of power,
Speaker 1: like accepting a power like I'm not going to judge
Speaker 1: you doing this exactly you do you? I want to
Speaker 1: do me, this is what I do. I'm going to
Speaker 1: do it. I'm not going to apologize, which is amazing.
Speaker 1: And then Charlotte, God love her.
Speaker 4: You know now that I'm looking back on it too, like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what I was thinking at the time
Speaker 4: other than that, you know, I want to make this
Speaker 4: work and I want to fit in right like, which
Speaker 4: is also what I think Charlotte was thinking.
Speaker 1: But me as an actor, right like, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to try to pull this off because I didn't
Speaker 1: inside feel like I could pull off what they the
Speaker 1: three of them who seem so powerful to me, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't feel that powerful, and yet she was and
Speaker 1: it is yeah, really I do mean later maybe, but
Speaker 1: not yet.
Speaker 2: I think, like all of those characters, she went through
Speaker 2: an evolution, and I think she she does find these
Speaker 2: moments later on yeah, where she stands up and says,
Speaker 2: this is strong.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, You're right, right, for sure. For sure,
Speaker 1: it takes a while, it takes what takes a while,
Speaker 1: But I love the searching, and I do think that
Speaker 1: that is really important. And there was a like later
Speaker 1: on when she gets so didactic, right, and like tray
Speaker 1: is it? You know, she can get lost in her fantasy,
Speaker 1: you know, which I think is obviously so relatable. But
Speaker 1: my question in terms of Carrie and Big, because we've
Speaker 1: got Carrie, she's obviously so brilliant, so amazing, got so
Speaker 1: much going on, right, But then, like you know, even
Speaker 1: Valley of the twenty something guys, you know, she's just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I need to be kissed. You know,
Speaker 1: she goes that weird hole in the wall bar. You're
Speaker 1: just like, where are we going? What is? It?
Speaker 2: Was?
Speaker 1: For sure a hole in the wall bar? Is I
Speaker 1: mean it's insane, Like I don't even think those places
Speaker 1: exist anymore? Right, And then she goes, I mean, who
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to kiss him at the elephant? He's adorable, right,
Speaker 1: And then she goes and then she wakes up there's
Speaker 1: no toilet paper, and you know what happens, And then
Speaker 1: Big is still there and the thing that I do
Speaker 1: see about Big, and definitely like the justin Throw character
Speaker 1: comes after that, and he's like, kind of ick, but
Speaker 1: he's just in Throw, so I kind of like it.
Speaker 1: But he's also kind of ick, right, But she's like, ah,
Speaker 1: he's got his arms around me and you're very weird
Speaker 1: and you went on a date with that woman that's
Speaker 1: the episode before this. But then she ends up giving
Speaker 1: Big another chance. Every time, right, she tries to get
Speaker 1: him to communicate. He doesn't really communicate, but he also tries,
Speaker 1: like he shows up to the park in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night and the last up yeah, and then
Speaker 1: this time he just very blithely says, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was married before and you could see her just
Speaker 1: like huh, like to her, this kind of stuff is
Speaker 1: super important. Information, right, is very important. And the last
Speaker 1: episode two is when they go to that party and
Speaker 1: that girl kisses him. He's like, you've got my passport,
Speaker 1: and then the other guy introduces Carrie with by another
Speaker 1: name it must be Julia or whatever. She's like, you
Speaker 1: know how you know, and we Big never says what
Speaker 1: he's actually doing.
Speaker 2: I will say this though, tell me it was the nineties.
Speaker 2: It was a longish time ago now, and I think
Speaker 2: a lot has happened with how men communicate now.
Speaker 1: You do, I do.
Speaker 2: I think there's much more pressure, and I think men
Speaker 2: have risen. A lot of guys have risen to younger
Speaker 2: guys have risen to the occasion and know that they
Speaker 2: need to be communicative. Okay, But I would say back then,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that many men, certainly that I was dating,
Speaker 2: or that I knew who would want to have a like,
Speaker 2: have a real conversation about the relationship, got it, because
Speaker 2: that would been like, what why is you?
Speaker 1: Why do you want to talk?
Speaker 2: So like it was still a time where men saying
Speaker 2: less was sexy and not withholding.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Now we all learned that was withholding, But at the time,
Speaker 2: men weren't. You weren't having those kind of conversations.
Speaker 1: I never had any of the thoughts that I'm having
Speaker 1: now then, And so I helped explain that. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I was just like, of course she would one of
Speaker 1: you with him because he has so much going on
Speaker 1: and intelligent and successful, and she is intelligent and successful,
Speaker 1: and she could do the crossword puzzle. You know that
Speaker 1: he's doing. You know what I'm saying, Like there were
Speaker 1: certain things that I could definitely understand, right, And obviously
Speaker 1: the chemistry obviously, but I also feel like sir Justsica's
Speaker 1: chemistry was like every man that you know, you guys
Speaker 1: put in front of her, but he made her feel
Speaker 1: something different. For sure. It was different.
Speaker 2: She felt early and she felt off kilter, which I
Speaker 2: think for some women like that good point. They like
Speaker 2: that because it makes them feel like, oh, this is different.
Speaker 2: I don't know what is the right. I don't want
Speaker 2: to be in charge all the time. I want this
Speaker 2: guy to That's so good. Now that's not necessarily healthy, right,
Speaker 2: but that's a good But she did end up marrying
Speaker 2: him so later after many chapters.
Speaker 1: Yes, and they they also I feel too if I
Speaker 1: look at the whole thing, and I mean, we'll see
Speaker 1: as we go, right, but as much. And this was
Speaker 1: so funny looking back at the first season. She tries
Speaker 1: so hard to get into communicating, I mean so hard,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't not but he also doesn't fully communicate,
Speaker 1: like at the end of the episode before this, and
Speaker 1: she says, they just want to stand still with you,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't really answer her, but he puts his.
Speaker 2: Arm dunder and stay yes and That's what I think
Speaker 2: you have to look at is he's not a talker, right,
Speaker 2: He's a doer, right. And look, Aiden was there for
Speaker 2: her talk to her, and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Right because he didn't really get her, right. And I
Speaker 1: remember the engagement ring, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was such a great that was
Speaker 2: a great episode in it and kind of a great
Speaker 2: thematically like, oh my god, you didn't get me, You've
Speaker 2: never gotten me, right, And I do think that somebody's
Speaker 2: big daughter. Yes, he just wasn't communicating.
Speaker 1: Right, He wasn't He wasn't skilled in that, yeah, But
Speaker 1: he was a doer. That's this is good, Jenny.
Speaker 2: This is I'm not saying anyone should be with a
Speaker 2: mister pick.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you our thought process. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I do think it's important to think about the timing.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's interesting to do this rewatch now, right,
Speaker 1: because so many things have changed and so many things
Speaker 1: haven't changed, right. So, like even for myself, and obviously
Speaker 1: I was much much younger then, right, So I never
Speaker 1: had any of these thoughts. Then I would read the script.
Speaker 1: I would be just be like, of course she wants big, right.
Speaker 1: I never thought like he's withholding never entered my mind,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't even think we use that word in the
Speaker 2: writer's I think we just interesting knew that he was
Speaker 2: currently a little at arm's length with her, but she
Speaker 2: liked it. Yeah, and that's what we were We's what
Speaker 2: we were playing.
Speaker 1: That's important. That's important context. Thank you, Jenny, so weld
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, now here we go, we've got montage
Speaker 1: of threesomes. We also stopped doing montages soon. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so kind of funny how the different things that
Speaker 1: we did, you know, and I do remember that. It's
Speaker 1: like production wise, that was a challenge, Yeah, because you
Speaker 1: had to get all these different people rounded up, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And especially as time went on with the show and
Speaker 2: the show became more popular, when the people who blessed
Speaker 2: them would come and do.
Speaker 1: This, they were nervous.
Speaker 2: They were like, I'm on Sex and the City and
Speaker 2: I have one line and I have to get it
Speaker 2: right or I need to walk my dog from here
Speaker 2: to hear.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you feel for them, so so funny. Okay,
Speaker 1: we have this very kind of funny storyline of Samantha
Speaker 1: sleeping with the married guy, which I also feel now
Speaker 1: would not really happen like this in a show, no,
Speaker 1: because it would not really be like, oh haha, isn't
Speaker 1: that funny? Do you know what I mean? It would
Speaker 1: be like that's gross and he's just talking guy's wife
Speaker 1: just all the time, right off the bat. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: my wife won't do this.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's bizarre, but she doesn't care. No, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, it's all fair game. I know it's super interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, was there any pause in the writer's room
Speaker 1: about Samantha in general?
Speaker 2: About Samantha, No, I mean not in any big way.
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes we would talk about storylines that weren't her,
Speaker 2: even if they were wild. You know, she still had
Speaker 2: her morals and she still had her ego. But no,
Speaker 2: you know, we knew she was the she was the id, right,
Speaker 2: Like she was the one just going out there and
Speaker 2: doing it and owning it, which and.
Speaker 1: You guys were just like, we're doing it and we
Speaker 1: don't care what anyone says.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there was definitely there was pushback and blowback,
Speaker 2: not not internally, but you know, once the show started airing,
Speaker 2: and of course everyone said, that's not a woman, that's
Speaker 2: a gay man. Right, which is so rude and and
Speaker 2: so of the time as well. Right, like a woman
Speaker 2: who owns her sexuality doesn't exist. Therefore, this is a man,
Speaker 2: and this is a gay man. Why is it a
Speaker 2: gay man? Why isn't it just a man? By the way?
Speaker 1: Rude on a bun. But no, we knew she was the.
Speaker 2: One we could rely on to go and and enjoy
Speaker 2: life and make mistakes along the way because of it,
Speaker 2: you know, fall on her face because of it. But
Speaker 2: she she wanted to enjoy everything that life had to offer, which.
Speaker 1: Is amazing to think about it. It's amazing that there
Speaker 1: just aren't I mean even still now, it's not a
Speaker 1: character that you see a lot. Now.
Speaker 2: I think that character would be judged more like in
Speaker 2: a weird way, right, Like it would be like, oh,
Speaker 2: what a slut? Right?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what the young people think.
Speaker 2: If they're not half as much sex as she did,
Speaker 2: they're not, this is what I hear.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hear tell you to find out,
Speaker 1: Can you guys come on the Instagram and tell me? Yes,
Speaker 1: we will come on the Instagram.
Speaker 2: We will come on the machine and put it in there.
Speaker 1: Yes, because it is really interesting to think about. Like,
Speaker 1: on the one hand, I feel like at a certain
Speaker 1: point there was like do what you're into, feel free,
Speaker 1: But then I don't know if that really panned out.
Speaker 2: I'd like to think it made some changes. And I
Speaker 2: think certainly women own their sexuality more now you too,
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure that people are literally having as
Speaker 2: much sex male or female.
Speaker 1: I mean, what happened with the apps, wasn't the app
Speaker 1: weren't the apps supposed to help you if that's what
Speaker 1: you wanted to Yes.
Speaker 2: And I think they do, Okay, but I don't think
Speaker 2: people are are are so free, yeah, feeling so free,
Speaker 2: so free or so yeah, but this is something that
Speaker 2: we should investigate. I think we should investigate magnifying glass
Speaker 2: and walk around like her cute parole.
Speaker 1: It's like, how much sex are you? You have a
Speaker 1: question on a sexual around? I have questions? Right, And
Speaker 1: Kristin let her know. Should we ask esther perel? I
Speaker 1: love esther Perell? Ask her right?
Speaker 2: You should have her on the show.
Speaker 1: We should have her on the show.
Speaker 2: We should have done her.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that would be amazing. Okay, cool, let's
Speaker 1: keep going with our with our rewatch. Okay, the therapy. We
Speaker 1: already touched on this. That guy is adorable. And also
Speaker 1: it's just very funny to me that Miranda, out of
Speaker 1: all of us, is the one in therapy. Yeah, it's hysterical.
Speaker 2: She was, you know, trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: We all were absolutely right. And then Carrie timid or
Speaker 1: bad exactly exactly. I mean, you know, in the beginning
Speaker 1: Charlotte's maybe she like, she just asked questions, should I
Speaker 1: do this? Should not do this?
Speaker 2: Carrie did go to therapy though, when she met Bonchovi.
Speaker 2: What you probably don't remember this episode? I wrote, games
Speaker 2: people play, games, people play? She went, she met him
Speaker 2: in the waiting room of her therapists.
Speaker 1: Why did she go to therapy?
Speaker 2: She needed some therapy, she needed to talk some stuff through.
Speaker 1: Well, for sure, I don't remember this too. And John
Speaker 1: Joey comes in season two.
Speaker 2: We have some wild guest stars along the way.
Speaker 1: Job but I would have said season six, no, I
Speaker 1: know on Earth, Oh my god, I can't wait till
Speaker 1: we get to let us morn. Oh my god?
Speaker 2: How about a Lettis Morris said, I know so much
Speaker 2: fun working with Like, how lucky was I I just
Speaker 2: remember coming to watch that day because Sarah was so nervous,
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And I was like scared, but I don't think I
Speaker 1: talked to her. I was too scared, too scared. She
Speaker 1: was a very big choice for a big deal, I
Speaker 1: mean huge deal. Okay, let's talk about Big and the
Speaker 1: wife X wife. Yeah, let's talk about this because it's
Speaker 1: super interesting to me. And I did not really remember
Speaker 1: this so much.
Speaker 2: And it's something we you know, we introduced it and
Speaker 2: then we never bring our again.
Speaker 1: I know, just kind of fascinated. It's kind of nuts.
Speaker 2: And that also rewatching. I remember that not only did
Speaker 2: he not say it an ex wife, but the ex
Speaker 2: wife doesn't tell Carrie that she knows that Carrie's dating Big.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of secrecy, which was.
Speaker 2: Really interesting because she seems so kind of open.
Speaker 1: But she says to her at the lunch that they
Speaker 1: have after Carrie's pitched her book that she doesn't actually
Speaker 1: have right, She says, are you seeing anyone? And I
Speaker 1: did think that that actress Noel, I believe it is
Speaker 1: her game played it so well because I thought, does
Speaker 1: she know?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Does she know? And she did, but she played it off. Now,
Speaker 1: what do you think in terms of my producers were like,
Speaker 1: why is Big still friends with his ex wife? And
Speaker 1: I was like, why wouldn't they be? Right? They could
Speaker 1: be friends right also because he cheated on her, but
Speaker 1: he kind of is who he is and that way
Speaker 1: that we were talking about, right, I mean, it doesn't
Speaker 1: shock me, especially because they say it was a long
Speaker 1: time ago, so that means in his twenties or something, right,
Speaker 1: And then she's so beautiful and accomplished. I mean, it
Speaker 1: makes so much sense in so many ways, especially because
Speaker 1: we know.
Speaker 2: Him's also going to carry hung yes just special Olympics,
Speaker 2: Like what can't she do?
Speaker 1: And we know she he's going to marry another very
Speaker 1: beautiful brute, you know what I mean, So it makes
Speaker 1: it tracks right, right tracks. But I loved the inner
Speaker 1: play between Carrie and the ex wife in terms of
Speaker 1: they love each other, they have they hit it off,
Speaker 1: you know, and I love Carrie. I mean she does
Speaker 1: kind of have like a how to put it, it's
Speaker 1: like kind of manipulative. I don't know how to put it,
Speaker 1: but like it reminded me also and just like that
Speaker 1: after Big has died. Sorry if I'm giving anything away
Speaker 1: to sure, you know, but in case you don't. Later
Speaker 1: on Big Dies. But spoiler alert terrible. I'm really sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry we'll have to put like a spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: But do you remember when Carrie to go find Natasha
Speaker 1: BIG's other ex wife, Yes, and secretly goes down there
Speaker 1: and we're all with her to support her. It reminded
Speaker 1: me so much of that. It's so fascinating how specific
Speaker 1: the characters are. And I don't know if Michael Patrick
Speaker 1: was thinking back or not thinking back, like are they
Speaker 1: is it conscious decisions? Like it's like when I sleep
Speaker 1: with that hasidic Jewish artist.
Speaker 2: What a what a precursor, the total precursor, right, But
Speaker 2: did we know that?
Speaker 1: I don't think we.
Speaker 2: Thought of that as a precursor. Like I'd love to
Speaker 2: say we were that smart that we were like, hey, I.
Speaker 1: Don't, let's bring it back around. I just think the DNA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with the characters were like specific and alive, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And still are in a really
Speaker 1: odd way. It's fascinating to me. Anyway. I loved this
Speaker 1: this ex wife because I love the dynamic between the
Speaker 1: two women carry and the ex wife, and then I
Speaker 1: love that when Carrie goes back to him, she doesn't
Speaker 1: really tell him, and he's like, what's wrong, which is
Speaker 1: actually pretty topful of him, right, And then she says,
Speaker 1: you know, and then he he didn't know. She doesn't
Speaker 1: even say. He goes, I didn't say about my ex
Speaker 1: wife because it was a long time ago. No, no, and
Speaker 1: then she tries to get more info when he's like
Speaker 1: kind of halfway giving it as he does. And then
Speaker 1: they get in bed and the ex wife is there,
Speaker 1: and Carrie says her voiceover about you.
Speaker 2: Know, you're never alone in the bed because there's always
Speaker 2: something that's been there before you exactly, which.
Speaker 1: Is good, right, Jenny, Oh my god, is not brilliant? Right, yes, no,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 2: It was a theme that worked really well because it
Speaker 2: really was about how when you're in your thirties, it's
Speaker 2: not your first relationship, it's not your first time at
Speaker 2: the rodeo. They're gonna be people are coming with their baggage,
Speaker 2: and some of that baggage can be an ex wife
Speaker 2: or god knows what else, and you have to there's
Speaker 2: always going to be someone there before you.
Speaker 1: You're not the first in no, and I mean, thank god, really,
Speaker 1: thank god, thank god. You a lot of work.
Speaker 2: But then there's a lot of work to you know,
Speaker 2: take all.
Speaker 1: The out I mean, especially they're not working on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing. But she doesn't really say
Speaker 1: that because I mean she's obviously Carrie's also not that
Speaker 1: worked out. This I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: I would argue too, maybe this is incendiary to say.
Speaker 2: I think Carrie is a little withholding herself, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I think with with with big Like, I don't think
Speaker 2: she wants to show how much she's falling for him.
Speaker 1: I don't think she wants.
Speaker 2: I think she's she's trying to be I'm cool, I'm here.
Speaker 1: That's what I see her do in the first couple, right,
Speaker 1: she like especially with the Justin Threaux character, you know,
Speaker 1: she doesn't she sees him on this date, which I
Speaker 1: think totally doesn't make sense. I'm with Carrie on that, Like, right,
Speaker 1: they've had this like incredible eight days together. She doesn't
Speaker 1: even talk to us her friends, and then she goes
Speaker 1: out with us on the first night she doesn't have him,
Speaker 1: and there he is with a woman I would be
Speaker 1: way mad and very convenient anfused. But then he does
Speaker 1: his big thing and she's like, oh, I'm going to
Speaker 1: a party, you know what I'm saying. And then she
Speaker 1: calls him from the party on the landline, which is
Speaker 1: also hysterical and just to throw She's like, he's wrapping
Speaker 1: his arms around me. I mean, she definitely plays.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, she had some learning to do as.
Speaker 1: We of course, which I get. I mean I get
Speaker 1: it in terms of she's doing the best that she
Speaker 1: can do, you know, and she's obviously drawn to him
Speaker 1: and doesn't really know what else to do. She does try, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, she'll try and he'll like evade, So then
Speaker 1: she does that. I get it, I get it. You know,
Speaker 1: what are you going to do? You know, you try
Speaker 1: your past. Yeah, they are kind of well matched in
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: And that way I think they are, and they grew together.
Speaker 1: I get. Well, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Speak of landlines. How about the flip phone that Ken
Speaker 2: the Mary guy has in that scene.
Speaker 1: History beyond is beyond.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big deal that with flip phone.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I think I had a flip phone
Speaker 2: that I had one.
Speaker 1: Hundred percent flip phone and we were so proud of them.
Speaker 2: Oh, look at these big they were size of bricks,
Speaker 2: they were massive.
Speaker 1: But we have flip phones. It was cool to own them.
Speaker 1: But you know, hey, Big has the car phone. It's
Speaker 1: the joy every time that thing out. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that.
Speaker 2: We never thought the show would be watched. Now, if
Speaker 2: we did, a lot of things might be different.
Speaker 1: But I mean, how could we.
Speaker 2: We couldn't have know. We didn't have the time, We didn't.
Speaker 1: That's the joy. That's the great thing about film, and
Speaker 1: also just it gives a record of like this, this
Speaker 1: is what we were you guys.
Speaker 2: There was no texting, there was no sexting, there was
Speaker 2: no no you had.
Speaker 1: To go find a landline at the club.
Speaker 2: That's why people could miss Carrie's birthday altogether.
Speaker 1: That's you know true, that's so true. Oh my god. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: back to this thing. What am I supposed to talk
Speaker 1: about that I haven't talked about. We didn't talk about
Speaker 1: the incredible Lisa Emory.
Speaker 2: Lisa Emory unbelievable. God, she is such an amazing actress.
Speaker 2: But what she did with that, I mean, and by
Speaker 2: the way, that's a very short like she has very
Speaker 2: little to get across who she is and what she
Speaker 2: wants and it's all there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she so brilliantly. She's gonna fight for her husband.
Speaker 1: It's so true. She's gonna have a three zomee Santha,
Speaker 1: that's what she has to I remember a few years later,
Speaker 1: we were still doing the show and we ran into
Speaker 1: her Sin and I ran into her downtown and she
Speaker 1: talked to us, but she had her regular blonde terror
Speaker 1: and I was like, oho is that person? And so
Speaker 1: he was like, she's on the show. You don't remember,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I don't know that. So Miranda
Speaker 1: Red interesting. And then when Ozark came out, of course
Speaker 1: I had just such a joy watching her and getting
Speaker 1: her to really have just such an amazing and terrifying role.
Speaker 2: It's a terri terrifying role. And by the way, it's
Speaker 2: kind of terrifying as the wife.
Speaker 1: She was a little terrible. I don't want it. Also sad, sad,
Speaker 1: she's so good, and I think she'd done a play
Speaker 1: with Sin by that time in between there. Anyway, she's
Speaker 1: been in our lives in a lovely way. One of
Speaker 1: those people where they're just such a great actor that
Speaker 1: you're glad that they get a part that they can
Speaker 1: actually like all their stuff. Yeah, totally, But it's so
Speaker 1: funny to see her back in the day with us
Speaker 1: in a red in a which I know, but she
Speaker 1: really she makes that whole thing live. But that husband,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: It was the least interesting of any of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, they all should have just said forget you,
Speaker 1: let's go, Like you're like, why does anyone want to
Speaker 1: fight with this dude? So sorry if I'm offending anybody
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, then we get to the crazy masquerade ball.
Speaker 1: What on wow? I mean so much to unpacked there,
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start.
Speaker 2: Also, I like, it's a masquerade ball, but like really,
Speaker 2: they're just little masks that you.
Speaker 1: Pick off and put on your face. As the budgetacase
Speaker 1: you're just on a staircase. There's a staircase, and then
Speaker 1: like a weird.
Speaker 2: Coat room and again then suddenly there's a little janky
Speaker 2: bedroom upstairs.
Speaker 1: I know it like that does not have a budget. No,
Speaker 1: it's sad, but I'm gonna I'm gonna apparently have a threesome.
Speaker 2: In that you were gonna have a threesome and then
Speaker 2: you don't, and you do rewatching it. What you did
Speaker 2: in that moment is I I would like to say
Speaker 2: one of the first moments where I knew you could
Speaker 2: really do comedy was the moment where you sit down
Speaker 2: between them and they shove you slowly off the bed.
Speaker 2: Not only do you land on the floor, you make
Speaker 2: a decision to grab your mask and walk out.
Speaker 1: It's not just it's like I.
Speaker 2: Have some dignity and I am taking my mask and
Speaker 2: leaving it.
Speaker 1: And then that's how you perceive that. I am so
Speaker 1: confused when I was rewatching that because A don't remember
Speaker 1: it right, B What is actually happening, Like like I
Speaker 1: don't understand exactly, Like is it the idea that people
Speaker 1: say they want threems but they really just want to
Speaker 1: have sex with someone else?
Speaker 2: Well that's what we were playing in Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: that is I'm not no judgment on those who have
Speaker 2: three sums.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're thinking.
Speaker 2: But in that case, it was this gal comes up
Speaker 2: and then is kind of like I want to get
Speaker 2: screwed by this guy?
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 2: Or And I don't even know if it's that much.
Speaker 2: As much as she leans and start kissing him, it
Speaker 2: gets more, it gets stronger, right, and then suddenly you
Speaker 2: are in this case, Miranda, you are shoved to the
Speaker 2: floor which is just so Charlotte relatable, so funny, the
Speaker 2: way the choices you made to make it.
Speaker 1: It was I'm like, are my shoes still on my feet?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking one of them, and they actually were,
Speaker 1: because I was like, how am I going to get up?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking just as an actress. Because also I think
Speaker 1: I was worried about my skirt pulling up. There was
Speaker 1: a lot going on thoughts when I rewatched myself right,
Speaker 1: like is my skirt gonna pull up? Are you gonna
Speaker 1: see my spanks? Like what's happening? Spanks? And bended yet?
Speaker 1: I I don't even know, but I have panny hose
Speaker 1: on week. Pat had not eradicated the panty hose yet,
Speaker 1: which is very funny because that's coming like there's certainly
Speaker 1: I think about it's the nineties, but like Pat, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember when Pat was like no one will wear hoes?
Speaker 1: Were like, what, it's a very Pat. I know it
Speaker 1: was close. It wasn't fully close, but I remember there
Speaker 1: was like strange elements and this is probably something I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say. There were strange cult type elements about being
Speaker 1: in that cast right right, where like well, no scrunches
Speaker 1: some rules. No scrunchies, no banana clips.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget. I'll never I still can't when people
Speaker 2: wear banana clips.
Speaker 1: I have one at home in my bathroom, and every.
Speaker 2: Time you reach, every time you reach, even though you're alone,
Speaker 2: and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, no banana clips, no one's gonna see me, turn
Speaker 1: my back through. But also like like the little things
Speaker 1: and they come slowly. They weren't all in the beginning, right,
Speaker 1: But like no scrunchies, no bana clips, no hose unless
Speaker 1: they were fish nets. You went through a whole fish
Speaker 1: net phase. And if you could find double fishnets, that
Speaker 1: was great, great, and if you could find nude double
Speaker 1: fish nets even better, even better. Right, And then there
Speaker 1: was a heel height situation, which it definitely takes me
Speaker 1: a while to get on board with, all the way
Speaker 1: to the Widower episode when she got me my first
Speaker 1: pair of like one hundred and five milimeters manolos, But
Speaker 1: it took that long for me to be able to
Speaker 1: like functionally walk well things.
Speaker 2: And guess what I can't walk in now? All of
Speaker 2: those minolas, all of them, listen, I mean, bless all
Speaker 2: of us, so trying, we're doing it, but it's not
Speaker 2: easy now.
Speaker 1: Now, it's true, But then they escalated after that to
Speaker 1: the so case. I just did a whole episode Jenny
Speaker 1: and the so caates. Oh my god, why like why,
Speaker 1: I'm barely able to walk.
Speaker 2: But they you know they are, they're sexy shoes, they are,
Speaker 2: but just not to wage right now.
Speaker 1: But also, I'm trying to do this crazy stunt. You'll
Speaker 1: see it, and just like that stunt?
Speaker 2: What what what part of the problems You can blame
Speaker 2: your co star, Miss Sarah Jessica. But because she could
Speaker 2: run in those things.
Speaker 1: She's still can't. She made it look so easy, right,
Speaker 1: I know. So that was the thing you were trying
Speaker 1: to live up to, Sara Juska. So the other rules
Speaker 1: were that you always had to return borrow clothes, yes,
Speaker 1: because we were so worried once did finally get anyone
Speaker 1: to lend us clothes for personal or for the show.
Speaker 1: If you didn't return, no one was going to lend
Speaker 1: him again. And we really relied on that once we
Speaker 1: got it going. Oh yeah, so, like I know, other
Speaker 1: actors were like, what do you mean, you know, just
Speaker 1: keep it. I'm like, oh no, you don't do that,
Speaker 1: you don't. I mean, there's other rules I can't think
Speaker 1: of right now, but like slowly the rules and oh
Speaker 1: you only wore coast of Elogy strings, right, like so
Speaker 1: many rules? Right? Don't we make a joke in one
Speaker 1: of these episodes about Miranda doesn't even want to wear
Speaker 1: a thong or something? I was like, oh my god, yes,
Speaker 1: it goes about is it not taken.
Speaker 2: Over in the in the coffee shop scene, right, she said,
Speaker 2: you can't beat a three, so you won't even wear
Speaker 2: a thong exactly.
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny is hearing that again? I thought?
Speaker 1: Were we even wearing thoughts back? Guys?
Speaker 2: We were, like, I guess the beginning of it. It
Speaker 2: was the beginning Darren. Darren gave us all thongs. This
Speaker 2: is going to come out wrong again. Oh boy, I
Speaker 2: can't I do it? Darn and Christmas Darren all not.
Speaker 2: We did not give Michael thong, but all that ladies
Speaker 2: which were actually would have only been at that time,
Speaker 2: because I don't think it was this. It was season two.
Speaker 2: Cindy and I were gift gifted. Yeah, Cosabella thongs.
Speaker 1: That was the thing, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to you know, they were expensive, I
Speaker 2: mean they were. It might have been Lapela very expense
Speaker 2: very nice, very nice.
Speaker 1: That's what we would wear if we had like a
Speaker 1: fancy you know, like yeah, I mean we could go
Speaker 1: down the list of like the approved brand and then
Speaker 1: not approved and you know what I mean, Like it
Speaker 1: was a lot.
Speaker 2: It was a lot man.
Speaker 1: You couldn't wear you know, you couldn't didn't matter how
Speaker 1: cold you were, there's not going to be a functional coat.
Speaker 2: It was eternal spring. It was a turnal spring, no matter.
Speaker 2: And you gals went through it. I mean that it
Speaker 2: was a couple of seas seemed so far like and
Speaker 2: you could see you, but.
Speaker 1: You had to somehow make it work.
Speaker 2: It's before we could afford to take it out. We
Speaker 2: see you, you know, you're seeing people's breath and you're
Speaker 2: standing there in a cute sun dress.
Speaker 1: I know, it's so crazy, so crazy the weird things
Speaker 1: about acting, you know, I mean, it's the most incredible
Speaker 1: job in so many ways, in the just weird technical
Speaker 1: practical things. Sure, like you're up all night and you're
Speaker 1: having to somehow talk really fast and be funny.
Speaker 2: Yes, and you're on camera, this is not off camera.
Speaker 1: And you're walking five blocks down the village streets trying
Speaker 1: to walk and talk while people are shouting at you
Speaker 1: from cars. Well, you know, radio Man is over here.
Speaker 2: My god, Steve the paparazzi.
Speaker 1: God name Steve. Yes, don't say his last name. We
Speaker 1: still deal with him, Jenny. We just put radio Man
Speaker 1: in the show I saw, and no one told me.
Speaker 1: Can I just tell you that no one told me
Speaker 1: that they had hired radio Man to act in our show?
Speaker 1: He should tell you that. So I come out, I'm
Speaker 1: acting in the scene, and I'm like, radio Man's in
Speaker 1: the shot. I start that, I'm like, wait, can't you
Speaker 1: guys see him? The cameras across the street and they
Speaker 1: were like, he's supposed to.
Speaker 2: Do you want to explain to Radio Man is real quick?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, of course, Thank you, Jenny, Welcome Voice of
Speaker 1: the viewers. Radio Man is a very sweet man who
Speaker 1: originally back in the day, rode his bike all over
Speaker 1: Manhattan into the different burrows and looked at all of
Speaker 1: the production notices in New York when you get a
Speaker 1: permit to shoot any kind of film or television show,
Speaker 1: they have to put up a production notice so people
Speaker 1: don't park on the street. Because we have to bring
Speaker 1: all of our equipment and trailers and whatnot, and theoretically
Speaker 1: even film on that street, right, so there would be
Speaker 1: like our show cars they call them, We bring in
Speaker 1: cars to put there so that we don't bump into
Speaker 1: someone's car or whatever. So Radiman would go all over
Speaker 1: town on his bike. I do not believe that he
Speaker 1: had a home. And he would make it his personal
Speaker 1: business to know where all the products were going to
Speaker 1: be the next morning, and then he would come back
Speaker 1: and say hello. And when he came by to say hello,
Speaker 1: he would also tell you all the other productions filming
Speaker 1: that day and where they were. Why did we call
Speaker 1: him radio man because he also had a massive radio.
Speaker 1: He had like a boom box. We would call it
Speaker 1: that that traveled with him on the bike.
Speaker 2: And then he still does it on a string around
Speaker 2: his Oh my god, he had a string.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think he does that anymore because he's
Speaker 1: a little bit older.
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true.
Speaker 1: But the radio is in the shot of and just
Speaker 1: like but he has a grocery cart. We gave him
Speaker 1: a grocery card because the bike. I don't think, no,
Speaker 1: I think see him on his bike.
Speaker 2: I think he's aged that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we do still see him. I think possibly
Speaker 1: maybe he is in a better living situation. Now we don't.
Speaker 1: He's not all the time there, which is actually good.
Speaker 1: That's a little older, and he is a fixture. He's
Speaker 1: a New York City intersture.
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's where you have to love New York.
Speaker 2: That some things don't change so much changes.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Sounds like the beginning of a voiceover it.
Speaker 1: I wonder which things change.
Speaker 2: Everything in New York changes, but some things always stay
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 1: It's so true.
Speaker 2: There we were in the meatpacking district where it used
Speaker 2: to smell like meat. I mean, how about that the
Speaker 2: opening of that episode where when the meatpacking district changed
Speaker 2: and it really did.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's nuts. Now every time I go, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Like what Brooklyn? I mean now everyone lives in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: No one lives in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: No one believes me.
Speaker 2: That's one of those the people are like, why did
Speaker 2: you have a storyline about how no one lives at
Speaker 2: Miranda in Brooklyn?
Speaker 1: In Brooklyn, can I tell you something funny? Second season
Speaker 1: of And just like that, we were all in airbea Well,
Speaker 1: I'm in airbnbs now, right, and not all of us,
Speaker 1: just me and I rented one in Dumbo And I
Speaker 1: was picturing Dumbo when we filmed there, right, and I
Speaker 1: was like, what is this small? It's Disneyland. There's lights
Speaker 1: that say Dumbo. I was like, I'm still in shock,
Speaker 1: you know, I did not know. I was like, where
Speaker 1: you are? Tell me where the warehouses?
Speaker 2: They're back on our show. Yes, you can watch our
Speaker 2: show and remember and see these things.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, wait the end scene of carrying big oh
Speaker 1: and the wife is in the.
Speaker 2: Back, and the wife is in the back the specter
Speaker 2: of the wife.
Speaker 1: I love that scene too. That seems beautiful and we
Speaker 1: pretty we love about that scene. It's it's on a
Speaker 1: village street, but we haven't seen her stupid yet. No,
Speaker 1: we have not, no, which is super interesting.
Speaker 2: It's very confusing where you all lived. And I mean,
Speaker 2: I know we've you know, we always talk about this,
Speaker 2: but this is one of those talk about lack of continuity.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're on the village street and it's the
Speaker 2: village the way I remember that, like the way the
Speaker 2: village was, and that street is still back.
Speaker 1: I mean, it still looks at me except for a
Speaker 1: lot of people.
Speaker 3: We all have cupcakes, right, and buses exactly.
Speaker 2: And things like that, But that scene for me, I
Speaker 2: loved I loved how in some ways open big was
Speaker 2: that's right. He's the one who says, we just went
Speaker 2: through this dinner and we talked like strangers.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Right? Good p calls her on it.
Speaker 2: She would have just said well, good night and been annoyed,
Speaker 2: but he says, what's going on? And then she she
Speaker 2: comes clean very quickly, right, And he comes clean pretty quickly, right,
Speaker 2: and makes a joke which an offhand joke about you know,
Speaker 2: being friends with all his ex wives, but I do
Speaker 2: think and then they come back together, which I know
Speaker 2: might be infuriating to people.
Speaker 1: Now, I didn't feel that way. No, No, I didn't
Speaker 1: feel that way. I felt more like, that's like saying,
Speaker 1: you know, these are my faults, yeah, which everyone's going
Speaker 1: to have, right, like, but I like you now widely,
Speaker 1: he was more I felt like he was more present
Speaker 1: and the veil was dropped a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's the right phrase to use for such
Speaker 1: a dude, but you know, like the wall was down
Speaker 1: a bit, and he seemed kind of more like making
Speaker 1: an effort and a little bit more vulnerable. And I
Speaker 1: love the ex wife being behind him and then disappearing.
Speaker 2: And again, what a beautiful shot. Like on network TV,
Speaker 2: you never could have done that moment where Nicole starts
Speaker 2: to walk away and you and then you know, we
Speaker 2: we we come up on it and she keeps walking.
Speaker 2: It's like we're on it for a couple seconds longer
Speaker 2: than we need to be and we just get to
Speaker 2: do that to have that moment and not cut because
Speaker 2: you have a commercial, right right, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never think beautiful so true. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's funny because now obviously with streaming, the structure of
Speaker 1: television has gone our way. But it's hard even for
Speaker 1: myself to remember what the structure of TV proper was
Speaker 1: before us and before HBS.
Speaker 2: Not that it was not being able to spend that
Speaker 2: and then we had like just freedom and to get
Speaker 2: like specific shots right on her tree torns in this moment,
Speaker 2: and you know, we got to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: It was that's a beautiful well Nicole, she did a
Speaker 2: great job directing that.
Speaker 1: We really did a beautiful job. She all did a
Speaker 1: great job too.
Speaker 2: Every week it was a good episode. It really was lovely,
Speaker 2: what a great, great episode. I was so lucky I
Speaker 2: was so lucky to be able to do it.
Speaker 1: Lucky. Yeah, I know all of us are so lucky,
Speaker 1: and it's so beautiful to look back on. And for
Speaker 1: me obviously, like I said, I mean, I really just
Speaker 1: remember being feeling like the first season was like a mess,
Speaker 1: because I think I felt a mess, you know, and
Speaker 1: just like trying so hard, like I was trying so
Speaker 1: hard to fit in. I was trying so hard to
Speaker 1: pull off these things and trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: Pat wanted to dress me and could I do it?
Speaker 1: And you're not saying like so many actor anxieties, right,
Speaker 1: and like how is the sex being presented? And what
Speaker 1: we're we doing? But also it was fun and it
Speaker 1: was fun because we were together, and the relationship with
Speaker 1: all of us off camera was also growing because we
Speaker 1: were together going through this thing and we knew that
Speaker 1: it was special. We didn't know what we didn't know
Speaker 1: what it was, but it was just a special, special experience.
Speaker 2: And you say all these things, and what's amazing about
Speaker 2: you as a performer is it didn't come through that way.
Speaker 2: Really you might have been feeling that way, but what
Speaker 2: it became for Charlotte was just this desire to figure
Speaker 2: things out.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true, and I mean some of it too.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, like you can't always really even
Speaker 1: separate yourself from the character you're playing, you know, and
Speaker 1: the experience that you have on a set, because as
Speaker 1: much as you are, of course a separate individual, you're
Speaker 1: working so hard to figure that character out. And because
Speaker 1: Charlotte was really very minimal in the beginning of the show, right,
Speaker 1: and we had to find her all together. And Michael
Speaker 1: Patrick was like, I didn't know how I was going
Speaker 1: to write for that character. I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have that character. And obviously he's done a
Speaker 1: bang up Jo turns out, but you.
Speaker 2: Know he on the face of it, he didn't absolutely
Speaker 2: because I actually think and that's where I think I
Speaker 2: helped a little bit, was that was my world that
Speaker 2: I had grown up on the Upper East Side.
Speaker 1: I knew Charlotte's. I wasn't necessarily.
Speaker 2: Exactly I saved the day. It's really what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say. I absolutely did not in this part.
Speaker 1: Not putting those pieces together. That's the first time that
Speaker 1: her storyline makes sense to me.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's I mean, maybe that was also just
Speaker 2: a bit of luck of the draw. But I do
Speaker 2: think I was able to shine a light on that
Speaker 2: world a little bit so that it didn't just feel
Speaker 2: like a satire exactly because it could be, and we
Speaker 2: do satirize it in that episode to some extent, But
Speaker 2: she's not there to be satirized, right, She's living, breathing
Speaker 2: with a set of rules that she thought would work
Speaker 2: for her that ultimately didn't.
Speaker 1: All the best rules were not that they were crazy, No,
Speaker 1: they were like, she's so open in a way that
Speaker 1: I didn't even remember, Like I'm like, what am I
Speaker 1: going to do? Oh my god, Oh my god. You know,
Speaker 1: it's entertaining, it's entertaining and interesting to watch. But I
Speaker 1: do think you're right and that all the characters were
Speaker 1: much more formed than I even realized, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like you look back and you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we are all there.
Speaker 2: We just but none of us knew in some ways,
Speaker 2: like they were there and sitting there at that coffee shop.
Speaker 1: You can see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all doing exactly they you as, these characters
Speaker 2: were all living those characters, right, animatedly living those characters. Right.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't for a little bit, right, until we look
Speaker 2: back and go there they were right.
Speaker 1: It hadn't like gelled hard where we were like, yes,
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing and this is how we're
Speaker 1: doing it. But it was coming. It's coming, super interesting things.
Speaker 1: Joy is it's so much fun. You're a joke.
Speaker 2: I could talk forever about that magic time.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're going to have you back. You've got
Speaker 1: so many episodes coming. Oh my god, how are we
Speaker 1: going to choose which ones to happen? I don't know
Speaker 1: what enjoy though, because you have I mean, of course
Speaker 1: incredible insights into what it was like to create the show.
Speaker 2: It was such I hope everyone gets the chance in
Speaker 2: their lives to be part of something from from the beginning,
Speaker 2: to see something grow.
Speaker 1: It's so hard, so hard, it's so rare. It's so
Speaker 1: worth it. It is so worth it. But I mean,
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, you you might and I'm sure you
Speaker 1: might have had this experience. You know, you try stuff
Speaker 1: out in our business, right, because of course we're just
Speaker 1: so you know, lucky to be able to work in
Speaker 1: our business. Obviously it's a hard business, and people can
Speaker 1: seem awesome and have great idea and you're like, this
Speaker 1: could be good and then no, it just does not
Speaker 1: so much. You don't know why. You know, I've had
Speaker 1: that since then, never anything that I felt the way
Speaker 1: that I felt about us, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it's hard. You also feel really bad, like you
Speaker 1: know that nothing's really good to live up to it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for everybody I'm involved with but or have
Speaker 1: ever been involved with professionally. But you're hoping, you know,
Speaker 1: it could be fun in a different way or whatever.
Speaker 1: It will always be.
Speaker 2: It'll be different, but it will never live up to
Speaker 2: what that was. And I think we all in retrospect
Speaker 2: really know that now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: think living it, we even do it.
Speaker 1: I think we might know that we did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but now you really know.
Speaker 1: It now, we really really And how lucky were we?
Speaker 1: So lucky?
Speaker 2: And still so I was gonna say, you get to still,
Speaker 2: I know Charlotte is in you.
Speaker 1: I know, I know she's still kicking around there. It's
Speaker 1: awesome hav mind at this point, but that would be fun.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You never know what, Michael do you
Speaker 1: not know? So get ready. I think the kids are
Speaker 1: more likely to be having a three I think so
Speaker 1: I now have to deal with that. But that's okay.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it is a dream. It's a dream
Speaker 1: in so many ways. And it's a dream to get
Speaker 1: to talk to our fans, yeah on the podcast.
Speaker 2: What a joy to get to hear from people and
Speaker 2: know that the show still lives on I know, right,
Speaker 2: So thank you all for still watching. Yeah, thank you
Speaker 2: watching again and watching for the first time.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, we love all of.
Speaker 2: You guys, and we're sorry about the flip phones.
Speaker 1: But it's funny, but it's funny to look at, and
Speaker 1: even I think in the pilot there's an even bigger one,
Speaker 1: like it's hysterical to be an evolution of phones. That
Speaker 1: could be like a subplot of the whole series, the
Speaker 1: evolution of the phones. Yeah, all right, thank you, Jenny,