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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? We're back to Are You a Charlotte

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Speaker 1: with an incredible guest, the one and only Jenny Becksia.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: rewatch your very first episode that you wrote for Sex

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Speaker 1: and the City. It is episode one oh eight three.

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Speaker 1: Is a crowd an incredible episode written by you, directed

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Speaker 1: by the also incredible Nicole Hall of Center. So I

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Speaker 1: love this episode. I really didn't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: memories of this episode. I was like, what on earth

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Speaker 1: is happening? It's a bold first episode, Jenny. It's bold,

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: It was bold, and yet it was you know, it

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Speaker 2: was of the time.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what so of the time. And I

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Speaker 1: mean we did touch on this briefly amongst ourselves, but

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Speaker 1: to me, it's the first time that the theme is

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Speaker 1: really run through all the characters in such a great,

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Speaker 1: great way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a magical thing when you find and

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Speaker 2: kind of a sexual thing that also ties into exactly

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Speaker 2: what your characters might be going through at the moment.

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Speaker 2: And we had, you know, Carrie and Big were at

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Speaker 2: this point in their relationship where they were getting more serious,

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Speaker 2: and suddenly she learns about the ex wife, the other

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Speaker 2: third person, and so we're dealing with that at the

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Speaker 2: same time that Charlotte is dealing with the fact that

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Speaker 2: the man that she's betting or he's betting her. We

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Speaker 2: would never have used words like that. By the way,

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Speaker 2: betting wants to have a threesome. That's a fantasy, right,

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Speaker 2: and she's thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I know it that crazy shirlt Oh my god. And

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Speaker 1: also just side note, we have Lisa Emory right, incredibly incredible.

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Speaker 1: You all might know from Ozark, where she played a

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Speaker 1: very terrifying character. Yes, and in our episode here, she's

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Speaker 1: a sweet wife who gets cheated, all know, she gets

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Speaker 1: the theme that I want to talk about. We can

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Speaker 1: go see by scene, but also just thematically. When I

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Speaker 1: Like I told you, already, but when when Charlotte does

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Speaker 1: I had a panic when I was watching this in

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't fact a dream it was. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: just like, how could I have blocked that out or whatever,

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Speaker 1: I did? How about that? And I can one tell

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Speaker 1: And then I very gingerly reached my hands out like

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Speaker 1: well too, And I'm curious if you what your thoughts are.

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Speaker 1: What I remember, especially from the very beginning, was that

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Speaker 1: dream On that was on HBO where literally every episode

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Speaker 2: It was a fine line, yeah, And I think I

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Speaker 2: Which was an episode I wrote you you did it.

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Speaker 1: I know you owned it. Thank you. It was challenging.

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Speaker 1: Because it's in Charlotte's mind, right, so it's perfection. But

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Speaker 2: No, but I do think the other thing and Michael

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Speaker 1: I think that's what was confusing about being an actress

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Speaker 1: It's like you, but that's me. I felt kind of

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, you were not having half the sex that

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Speaker 1: At the dinner where we discussed it, when Charlotte's like,

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Speaker 1: It was funny.

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Speaker 2: When Julia and Elisa came on, they were like, we

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Speaker 1: my question in terms of Carrie and Big, because we've

432
00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: got Carrie, she's obviously so brilliant, so amazing, got so

433
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: much going on, right, But then, like you know, even

434
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 1: Valley of the twenty something guys, you know, she's just like,

435
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, I need to be kissed. You know,

436
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: she goes that weird hole in the wall bar. You're

437
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 1: just like, where are we going? What is? It?

438
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 2: Was?

439
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 1: For sure a hole in the wall bar? Is I

440
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 1: mean it's insane, Like I don't even think those places

441
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 1: exist anymore? Right, And then she goes, I mean, who

442
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to kiss him at the elephant? He's adorable, right,

443
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 1: And then she goes and then she wakes up there's

444
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 1: no toilet paper, and you know what happens, And then

445
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,199
Speaker 1: Big is still there and the thing that I do

446
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: see about Big, and definitely like the justin Throw character

447
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: comes after that, and he's like, kind of ick, but

448
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: he's just in Throw, so I kind of like it.

449
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: But he's also kind of ick, right, But she's like, ah,

450
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: he's got his arms around me and you're very weird

451
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: and you went on a date with that woman that's

452
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 1: the episode before this. But then she ends up giving

453
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 1: Big another chance. Every time, right, she tries to get

454
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: him to communicate. He doesn't really communicate, but he also tries,

455
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: like he shows up to the park in the middle

456
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: of the night and the last up yeah, and then

457
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: this time he just very blithely says, you know, yeah,

458
00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: I was married before and you could see her just

459
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 1: like huh, like to her, this kind of stuff is

460
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: super important. Information, right, is very important. And the last

461
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: episode two is when they go to that party and

462
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 1: that girl kisses him. He's like, you've got my passport,

463
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: and then the other guy introduces Carrie with by another

464
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: name it must be Julia or whatever. She's like, you

465
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: know how you know, and we Big never says what

466
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: he's actually doing.

467
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: I will say this though, tell me it was the nineties.

468
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: It was a longish time ago now, and I think

469
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: a lot has happened with how men communicate now.

470
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: You do, I do.

471
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 2: I think there's much more pressure, and I think men

472
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 2: have risen. A lot of guys have risen to younger

473
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 2: guys have risen to the occasion and know that they

474
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 2: need to be communicative. Okay, But I would say back then,

475
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 2: I didn't know that many men, certainly that I was dating,

476
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,959
Speaker 2: or that I knew who would want to have a like,

477
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: have a real conversation about the relationship, got it, because

478
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 2: that would been like, what why is you?

479
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: Why do you want to talk?

480
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: So like it was still a time where men saying

481
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 2: less was sexy and not withholding.

482
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: Interesting.

483
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: Now we all learned that was withholding, But at the time,

484
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: men weren't. You weren't having those kind of conversations.

485
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: I never had any of the thoughts that I'm having

486
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: now then, And so I helped explain that. Yeah, Like

487
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: I was just like, of course she would one of

488
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: you with him because he has so much going on

489
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: and intelligent and successful, and she is intelligent and successful,

490
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: and she could do the crossword puzzle. You know that

491
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: he's doing. You know what I'm saying, Like there were

492
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: certain things that I could definitely understand, right, And obviously

493
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: the chemistry obviously, but I also feel like sir Justsica's

494
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: chemistry was like every man that you know, you guys

495
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: put in front of her, but he made her feel

496
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: something different. For sure. It was different.

497
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: She felt early and she felt off kilter, which I

498
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: think for some women like that good point. They like

499
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: that because it makes them feel like, oh, this is different.

500
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what is the right. I don't want

501
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: to be in charge all the time. I want this

502
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: guy to That's so good. Now that's not necessarily healthy, right,

503
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 2: but that's a good But she did end up marrying

504
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: him so later after many chapters.

505
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: Yes, and they they also I feel too if I

506
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: look at the whole thing, and I mean, we'll see

507
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: as we go, right, but as much. And this was

508
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: so funny looking back at the first season. She tries

509
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: so hard to get into communicating, I mean so hard,

510
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: and he doesn't not but he also doesn't fully communicate,

511
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: like at the end of the episode before this, and

512
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: she says, they just want to stand still with you,

513
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: and he doesn't really answer her, but he puts his.

514
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: Arm dunder and stay yes and That's what I think

515
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: you have to look at is he's not a talker, right,

516
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 2: He's a doer, right. And look, Aiden was there for

517
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 2: her talk to her, and it wasn't.

518
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: Right because he didn't really get her, right. And I

519
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: remember the engagement ring, right.

520
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was such a great that was

521
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: a great episode in it and kind of a great

522
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: thematically like, oh my god, you didn't get me, You've

523
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 2: never gotten me, right, And I do think that somebody's

524
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: big daughter. Yes, he just wasn't communicating.

525
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: Right, He wasn't He wasn't skilled in that, yeah, But

526
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: he was a doer. That's this is good, Jenny.

527
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: This is I'm not saying anyone should be with a

528
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 2: mister pick.

529
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you our thought process. And I mean,

530
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: I do think it's important to think about the timing.

531
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: And that's why it's interesting to do this rewatch now, right,

532
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: because so many things have changed and so many things

533
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: haven't changed, right. So, like even for myself, and obviously

534
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: I was much much younger then, right, So I never

535
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: had any of these thoughts. Then I would read the script.

536
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: I would be just be like, of course she wants big, right.

537
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: I never thought like he's withholding never entered my mind,

538
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

539
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't even think we use that word in the

540
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: writer's I think we just interesting knew that he was

541
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 2: currently a little at arm's length with her, but she

542
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: liked it. Yeah, and that's what we were We's what

543
00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 2: we were playing.

544
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: That's important. That's important context. Thank you, Jenny, so weld

545
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, now here we go, we've got montage

546
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: of threesomes. We also stopped doing montages soon. I mean,

547
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: it's so kind of funny how the different things that

548
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: we did, you know, and I do remember that. It's

549
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: like production wise, that was a challenge, Yeah, because you

550
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: had to get all these different people rounded up, you

551
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

552
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: And especially as time went on with the show and

553
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: the show became more popular, when the people who blessed

554
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: them would come and do.

555
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: This, they were nervous.

556
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: They were like, I'm on Sex and the City and

557
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: I have one line and I have to get it

558
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: right or I need to walk my dog from here

559
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: to hear.

560
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, you feel for them, so so funny. Okay,

561
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: we have this very kind of funny storyline of Samantha

562
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: sleeping with the married guy, which I also feel now

563
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: would not really happen like this in a show, no,

564
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: because it would not really be like, oh haha, isn't

565
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: that funny? Do you know what I mean? It would

566
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: be like that's gross and he's just talking guy's wife

567
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: just all the time, right off the bat. Yeah, like

568
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: my wife won't do this.

569
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it's bizarre, but she doesn't care. No, I mean,

570
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 2: you know, it's all fair game. I know it's super interesting.

571
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean, was there any pause in the writer's room

572
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: about Samantha in general?

573
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: About Samantha, No, I mean not in any big way.

574
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes we would talk about storylines that weren't her,

575
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: even if they were wild. You know, she still had

576
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: her morals and she still had her ego. But no,

577
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: you know, we knew she was the she was the id, right,

578
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: Like she was the one just going out there and

579
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: doing it and owning it, which and.

580
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: You guys were just like, we're doing it and we

581
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: don't care what anyone says.

582
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there was definitely there was pushback and blowback,

583
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: not not internally, but you know, once the show started airing,

584
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: and of course everyone said, that's not a woman, that's

585
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: a gay man. Right, which is so rude and and

586
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 2: so of the time as well. Right, like a woman

587
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: who owns her sexuality doesn't exist. Therefore, this is a man,

588
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: and this is a gay man. Why is it a

589
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: gay man? Why isn't it just a man? By the way?

590
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: Rude on a bun. But no, we knew she was the.

591
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: One we could rely on to go and and enjoy

592
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 2: life and make mistakes along the way because of it,

593
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: you know, fall on her face because of it. But

594
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: she she wanted to enjoy everything that life had to offer, which.

595
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: Is amazing to think about it. It's amazing that there

596
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: just aren't I mean even still now, it's not a

597
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: character that you see a lot. Now.

598
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: I think that character would be judged more like in

599
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: a weird way, right, Like it would be like, oh,

600
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: what a slut? Right?

601
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what the young people think.

602
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: If they're not half as much sex as she did,

603
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: they're not, this is what I hear.

604
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hear tell you to find out,

605
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: Can you guys come on the Instagram and tell me? Yes,

606
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: we will come on the Instagram.

607
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: We will come on the machine and put it in there.

608
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: Yes, because it is really interesting to think about. Like,

609
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: on the one hand, I feel like at a certain

610
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: point there was like do what you're into, feel free,

611
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: But then I don't know if that really panned out.

612
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: I'd like to think it made some changes. And I

613
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: think certainly women own their sexuality more now you too,

614
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure that people are literally having as

615
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: much sex male or female.

616
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, what happened with the apps, wasn't the app

617
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: weren't the apps supposed to help you if that's what

618
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: you wanted to Yes.

619
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: And I think they do, Okay, but I don't think

620
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: people are are are so free, yeah, feeling so free,

621
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: so free or so yeah, but this is something that

622
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: we should investigate. I think we should investigate magnifying glass

623
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: and walk around like her cute parole.

624
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: It's like, how much sex are you? You have a

625
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: question on a sexual around? I have questions? Right, And

626
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: Kristin let her know. Should we ask esther perel? I

627
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: love esther Perell? Ask her right?

628
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: You should have her on the show.

629
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: We should have her on the show.

630
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: We should have done her.

631
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that would be amazing. Okay, cool, let's

632
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: keep going with our with our rewatch. Okay, the therapy. We

633
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: already touched on this. That guy is adorable. And also

634
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: it's just very funny to me that Miranda, out of

635
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: all of us, is the one in therapy. Yeah, it's hysterical.

636
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: She was, you know, trying to figure it out.

637
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: We all were absolutely right. And then Carrie timid or

638
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: bad exactly exactly. I mean, you know, in the beginning

639
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: Charlotte's maybe she like, she just asked questions, should I

640
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: do this? Should not do this?

641
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: Carrie did go to therapy though, when she met Bonchovi.

642
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: What you probably don't remember this episode? I wrote, games

643
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: people play, games, people play? She went, she met him

644
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: in the waiting room of her therapists.

645
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: Why did she go to therapy?

646
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: She needed some therapy, she needed to talk some stuff through.

647
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: Well, for sure, I don't remember this too. And John

648
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: Joey comes in season two.

649
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: We have some wild guest stars along the way.

650
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: Job but I would have said season six, no, I

651
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: know on Earth, Oh my god, I can't wait till

652
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: we get to let us morn. Oh my god?

653
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: How about a Lettis Morris said, I know so much

654
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: fun working with Like, how lucky was I I just

655
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: remember coming to watch that day because Sarah was so nervous,

656
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

657
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: And I was like scared, but I don't think I

658
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: talked to her. I was too scared, too scared. She

659
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: was a very big choice for a big deal, I

660
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: mean huge deal. Okay, let's talk about Big and the

661
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: wife X wife. Yeah, let's talk about this because it's

662
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: super interesting to me. And I did not really remember

663
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: this so much.

664
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: And it's something we you know, we introduced it and

665
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: then we never bring our again.

666
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: I know, just kind of fascinated. It's kind of nuts.

667
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: And that also rewatching. I remember that not only did

668
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: he not say it an ex wife, but the ex

669
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: wife doesn't tell Carrie that she knows that Carrie's dating Big.

670
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: There's a lot of secrecy, which was.

671
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: Really interesting because she seems so kind of open.

672
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: But she says to her at the lunch that they

673
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: have after Carrie's pitched her book that she doesn't actually

674
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: have right, She says, are you seeing anyone? And I

675
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: did think that that actress Noel, I believe it is

676
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: her game played it so well because I thought, does

677
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: she know?

678
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: Right?

679
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: Does she know? And she did, but she played it off. Now,

680
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: what do you think in terms of my producers were like,

681
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: why is Big still friends with his ex wife? And

682
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: I was like, why wouldn't they be? Right? They could

683
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 1: be friends right also because he cheated on her, but

684
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: he kind of is who he is and that way

685
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: that we were talking about, right, I mean, it doesn't

686
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: shock me, especially because they say it was a long

687
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: time ago, so that means in his twenties or something, right,

688
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: And then she's so beautiful and accomplished. I mean, it

689
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: makes so much sense in so many ways, especially because

690
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: we know.

691
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: Him's also going to carry hung yes just special Olympics,

692
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: Like what can't she do?

693
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: And we know she he's going to marry another very

694
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: beautiful brute, you know what I mean, So it makes

695
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: it tracks right, right tracks. But I loved the inner

696
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: play between Carrie and the ex wife in terms of

697
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: they love each other, they have they hit it off,

698
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, and I love Carrie. I mean she does

699
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: kind of have like a how to put it, it's

700
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: like kind of manipulative. I don't know how to put it,

701
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: but like it reminded me also and just like that

702
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: after Big has died. Sorry if I'm giving anything away

703
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: to sure, you know, but in case you don't. Later

704
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: on Big Dies. But spoiler alert terrible. I'm really sorry.

705
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry we'll have to put like a spoiler alert.

706
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: But do you remember when Carrie to go find Natasha

707
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: BIG's other ex wife, Yes, and secretly goes down there

708
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: and we're all with her to support her. It reminded

709
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: me so much of that. It's so fascinating how specific

710
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: the characters are. And I don't know if Michael Patrick

711
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: was thinking back or not thinking back, like are they

712
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: is it conscious decisions? Like it's like when I sleep

713
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: with that hasidic Jewish artist.

714
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: What a what a precursor, the total precursor, right, But

715
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 2: did we know that?

716
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: I don't think we.

717
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: Thought of that as a precursor. Like I'd love to

718
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: say we were that smart that we were like, hey, I.

719
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: Don't, let's bring it back around. I just think the DNA. Yeah,

720
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: with the characters were like specific and alive, do you

721
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And still are in a really

722
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: odd way. It's fascinating to me. Anyway. I loved this

723
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: this ex wife because I love the dynamic between the

724
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: two women carry and the ex wife, and then I

725
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: love that when Carrie goes back to him, she doesn't

726
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: really tell him, and he's like, what's wrong, which is

727
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: actually pretty topful of him, right, And then she says,

728
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: you know, and then he he didn't know. She doesn't

729
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: even say. He goes, I didn't say about my ex

730
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: wife because it was a long time ago. No, no, and

731
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: then she tries to get more info when he's like

732
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: kind of halfway giving it as he does. And then

733
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: they get in bed and the ex wife is there,

734
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: and Carrie says her voiceover about you.

735
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: Know, you're never alone in the bed because there's always

736
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: something that's been there before you exactly, which.

737
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: Is good, right, Jenny, Oh my god, is not brilliant? Right, yes, no,

738
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: you know what.

739
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: It was a theme that worked really well because it

740
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: really was about how when you're in your thirties, it's

741
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: not your first relationship, it's not your first time at

742
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: the rodeo. They're gonna be people are coming with their baggage,

743
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: and some of that baggage can be an ex wife

744
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: or god knows what else, and you have to there's

745
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: always going to be someone there before you.

746
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: You're not the first in no, and I mean, thank god, really,

747
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: thank god, thank god. You a lot of work.

748
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: But then there's a lot of work to you know,

749
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 2: take all.

750
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: The out I mean, especially they're not working on it. Yeah,

751
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing. But she doesn't really say

752
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: that because I mean she's obviously Carrie's also not that

753
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: worked out. This I was gonna say.

754
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: I would argue too, maybe this is incendiary to say.

755
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: I think Carrie is a little withholding herself, like, oh,

756
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: I think with with with big Like, I don't think

757
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: she wants to show how much she's falling for him.

758
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't think she wants.

759
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: I think she's she's trying to be I'm cool, I'm here.

760
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: That's what I see her do in the first couple, right,

761
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: she like especially with the Justin Threaux character, you know,

762
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: she doesn't she sees him on this date, which I

763
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: think totally doesn't make sense. I'm with Carrie on that, Like, right,

764
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: they've had this like incredible eight days together. She doesn't

765
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: even talk to us her friends, and then she goes

766
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: out with us on the first night she doesn't have him,

767
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: and there he is with a woman I would be

768
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: way mad and very convenient anfused. But then he does

769
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: his big thing and she's like, oh, I'm going to

770
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: a party, you know what I'm saying. And then she

771
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: calls him from the party on the landline, which is

772
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: also hysterical and just to throw She's like, he's wrapping

773
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: his arms around me. I mean, she definitely plays.

774
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: The Yeah, she had some learning to do as.

775
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: We of course, which I get. I mean I get

776
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: it in terms of she's doing the best that she

777
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: can do, you know, and she's obviously drawn to him

778
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: and doesn't really know what else to do. She does try, Yeah,

779
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, she'll try and he'll like evade, So then

780
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: she does that. I get it, I get it. You know,

781
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: what are you going to do? You know, you try

782
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: your past. Yeah, they are kind of well matched in

783
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: that way.

784
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: And that way I think they are, and they grew together.

785
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: I get. Well, that's for sure.

786
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: Speak of landlines. How about the flip phone that Ken

787
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: the Mary guy has in that scene.

788
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: History beyond is beyond.

789
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big deal that with flip phone.

790
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I think I had a flip phone

791
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: that I had one.

792
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: Hundred percent flip phone and we were so proud of them.

793
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: Oh, look at these big they were size of bricks,

794
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: they were massive.

795
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: But we have flip phones. It was cool to own them.

796
00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: But you know, hey, Big has the car phone. It's

797
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: the joy every time that thing out. Oh my god,

798
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: I can't believe that.

799
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: We never thought the show would be watched. Now, if

800
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: we did, a lot of things might be different.

801
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: But I mean, how could we.

802
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: We couldn't have know. We didn't have the time, We didn't.

803
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: That's the joy. That's the great thing about film, and

804
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: also just it gives a record of like this, this

805
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: is what we were you guys.

806
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: There was no texting, there was no sexting, there was

807
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: no no you had.

808
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: To go find a landline at the club.

809
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: That's why people could miss Carrie's birthday altogether.

810
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: That's you know true, that's so true. Oh my god. Yes, Okay,

811
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: back to this thing. What am I supposed to talk

812
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: about that I haven't talked about. We didn't talk about

813
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: the incredible Lisa Emory.

814
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: Lisa Emory unbelievable. God, she is such an amazing actress.

815
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: But what she did with that, I mean, and by

816
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: the way, that's a very short like she has very

817
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: little to get across who she is and what she

818
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: wants and it's all there.

819
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, she so brilliantly. She's gonna fight for her husband.

820
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: It's so true. She's gonna have a three zomee Santha,

821
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: that's what she has to I remember a few years later,

822
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: we were still doing the show and we ran into

823
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: her Sin and I ran into her downtown and she

824
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: talked to us, but she had her regular blonde terror

825
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, oho is that person? And so

826
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: he was like, she's on the show. You don't remember,

827
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I don't know that. So Miranda

828
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: Red interesting. And then when Ozark came out, of course

829
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: I had just such a joy watching her and getting

830
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: her to really have just such an amazing and terrifying role.

831
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: It's a terri terrifying role. And by the way, it's

832
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: kind of terrifying as the wife.

833
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: She was a little terrible. I don't want it. Also sad, sad,

834
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: she's so good, and I think she'd done a play

835
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: with Sin by that time in between there. Anyway, she's

836
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: been in our lives in a lovely way. One of

837
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: those people where they're just such a great actor that

838
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: you're glad that they get a part that they can

839
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: actually like all their stuff. Yeah, totally, But it's so

840
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: funny to see her back in the day with us

841
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: in a red in a which I know, but she

842
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: really she makes that whole thing live. But that husband,

843
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh my god.

844
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: It was the least interesting of any of them.

845
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they all should have just said forget you,

846
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: let's go, Like you're like, why does anyone want to

847
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: fight with this dude? So sorry if I'm offending anybody

848
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, then we get to the crazy masquerade ball.

849
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: What on wow? I mean so much to unpacked there,

850
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start.

851
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: Also, I like, it's a masquerade ball, but like really,

852
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: they're just little masks that you.

853
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: Pick off and put on your face. As the budgetacase

854
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: you're just on a staircase. There's a staircase, and then

855
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: like a weird.

856
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: Coat room and again then suddenly there's a little janky

857
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: bedroom upstairs.

858
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: I know it like that does not have a budget. No,

859
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: it's sad, but I'm gonna I'm gonna apparently have a threesome.

860
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: In that you were gonna have a threesome and then

861
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: you don't, and you do rewatching it. What you did

862
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 2: in that moment is I I would like to say

863
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: one of the first moments where I knew you could

864
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: really do comedy was the moment where you sit down

865
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 2: between them and they shove you slowly off the bed.

866
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: Not only do you land on the floor, you make

867
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: a decision to grab your mask and walk out.

868
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: It's not just it's like I.

869
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: Have some dignity and I am taking my mask and

870
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: leaving it.

871
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: And then that's how you perceive that. I am so

872
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: confused when I was rewatching that because A don't remember

873
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: it right, B What is actually happening, Like like I

874
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: don't understand exactly, Like is it the idea that people

875
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: say they want threems but they really just want to

876
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: have sex with someone else?

877
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: Well that's what we were playing in Okay, okay, okay,

878
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: that is I'm not no judgment on those who have

879
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: three sums.

880
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're thinking.

881
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: But in that case, it was this gal comes up

882
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: and then is kind of like I want to get

883
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: screwed by this guy?

884
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: Got it?

885
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: Or And I don't even know if it's that much.

886
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: As much as she leans and start kissing him, it

887
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: gets more, it gets stronger, right, and then suddenly you

888
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 2: are in this case, Miranda, you are shoved to the

889
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: floor which is just so Charlotte relatable, so funny, the

890
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: way the choices you made to make it.

891
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: It was I'm like, are my shoes still on my feet?

892
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking one of them, and they actually were,

893
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: because I was like, how am I going to get up?

894
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking just as an actress. Because also I think

895
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: I was worried about my skirt pulling up. There was

896
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: a lot going on thoughts when I rewatched myself right,

897
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: like is my skirt gonna pull up? Are you gonna

898
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: see my spanks? Like what's happening? Spanks? And bended yet?

899
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: I I don't even know, but I have panny hose

900
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: on week. Pat had not eradicated the panty hose yet,

901
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: which is very funny because that's coming like there's certainly

902
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: I think about it's the nineties, but like Pat, you know,

903
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: I remember when Pat was like no one will wear hoes?

904
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: Were like, what, it's a very Pat. I know it

905
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: was close. It wasn't fully close, but I remember there

906
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: was like strange elements and this is probably something I

907
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: shouldn't say. There were strange cult type elements about being

908
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: in that cast right right, where like well, no scrunches

909
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: some rules. No scrunchies, no banana clips.

910
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 2: I'll never forget. I'll never I still can't when people

911
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 2: wear banana clips.

912
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: I have one at home in my bathroom, and every.

913
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 2: Time you reach, every time you reach, even though you're alone,

914
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: and I'm.

915
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: Like, no banana clips, no one's gonna see me, turn

916
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,959
Speaker 1: my back through. But also like like the little things

917
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: and they come slowly. They weren't all in the beginning, right,

918
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 1: But like no scrunchies, no bana clips, no hose unless

919
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: they were fish nets. You went through a whole fish

920
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: net phase. And if you could find double fishnets, that

921
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: was great, great, and if you could find nude double

922
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: fish nets even better, even better. Right, And then there

923
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: was a heel height situation, which it definitely takes me

924
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: a while to get on board with, all the way

925
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: to the Widower episode when she got me my first

926
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: pair of like one hundred and five milimeters manolos, But

927
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: it took that long for me to be able to

928
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: like functionally walk well things.

929
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: And guess what I can't walk in now? All of

930
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: those minolas, all of them, listen, I mean, bless all

931
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: of us, so trying, we're doing it, but it's not

932
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: easy now.

933
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: Now, it's true, But then they escalated after that to

934
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: the so case. I just did a whole episode Jenny

935
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: and the so caates. Oh my god, why like why,

936
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm barely able to walk.

937
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: But they you know they are, they're sexy shoes, they are,

938
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: but just not to wage right now.

939
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: But also, I'm trying to do this crazy stunt. You'll

940
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: see it, and just like that stunt?

941
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: What what what part of the problems You can blame

942
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: your co star, Miss Sarah Jessica. But because she could

943
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: run in those things.

944
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: She's still can't. She made it look so easy, right,

945
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: I know. So that was the thing you were trying

946
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: to live up to, Sara Juska. So the other rules

947
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: were that you always had to return borrow clothes, yes,

948
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: because we were so worried once did finally get anyone

949
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: to lend us clothes for personal or for the show.

950
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: If you didn't return, no one was going to lend

951
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: him again. And we really relied on that once we

952
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: got it going. Oh yeah, so, like I know, other

953
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: actors were like, what do you mean, you know, just

954
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: keep it. I'm like, oh no, you don't do that,

955
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: you don't. I mean, there's other rules I can't think

956
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: of right now, but like slowly the rules and oh

957
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: you only wore coast of Elogy strings, right, like so

958
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: many rules? Right? Don't we make a joke in one

959
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: of these episodes about Miranda doesn't even want to wear

960
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: a thong or something? I was like, oh my god, yes,

961
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: it goes about is it not taken.

962
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: Over in the in the coffee shop scene, right, she said,

963
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: you can't beat a three, so you won't even wear

964
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: a thong exactly.

965
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny is hearing that again? I thought?

966
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 1: Were we even wearing thoughts back? Guys?

967
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: We were, like, I guess the beginning of it. It

968
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: was the beginning Darren. Darren gave us all thongs. This

969
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: is going to come out wrong again. Oh boy, I

970
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: can't I do it? Darn and Christmas Darren all not.

971
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: We did not give Michael thong, but all that ladies

972
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 2: which were actually would have only been at that time,

973
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 2: because I don't think it was this. It was season two.

974
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: Cindy and I were gift gifted. Yeah, Cosabella thongs.

975
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: That was the thing, man.

976
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to you know, they were expensive, I

977
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: mean they were. It might have been Lapela very expense

978
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: very nice, very nice.

979
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: That's what we would wear if we had like a

980
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: fancy you know, like yeah, I mean we could go

981
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: down the list of like the approved brand and then

982
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: not approved and you know what I mean, Like it

983
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: was a lot.

984
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: It was a lot man.

985
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: You couldn't wear you know, you couldn't didn't matter how

986
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: cold you were, there's not going to be a functional coat.

987
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: It was eternal spring. It was a turnal spring, no matter.

988
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: And you gals went through it. I mean that it

989
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: was a couple of seas seemed so far like and

990
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: you could see you, but.

991
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: You had to somehow make it work.

992
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: It's before we could afford to take it out. We

993
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: see you, you know, you're seeing people's breath and you're

994
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: standing there in a cute sun dress.

995
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: I know, it's so crazy, so crazy the weird things

996
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: about acting, you know, I mean, it's the most incredible

997
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: job in so many ways, in the just weird technical

998
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: practical things. Sure, like you're up all night and you're

999
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: having to somehow talk really fast and be funny.

1000
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: Yes, and you're on camera, this is not off camera.

1001
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: And you're walking five blocks down the village streets trying

1002
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: to walk and talk while people are shouting at you

1003
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: from cars. Well, you know, radio Man is over here.

1004
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: My god, Steve the paparazzi.

1005
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: God name Steve. Yes, don't say his last name. We

1006
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: still deal with him, Jenny. We just put radio Man

1007
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: in the show I saw, and no one told me.

1008
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: Can I just tell you that no one told me

1009
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: that they had hired radio Man to act in our show?

1010
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: He should tell you that. So I come out, I'm

1011
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: acting in the scene, and I'm like, radio Man's in

1012
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: the shot. I start that, I'm like, wait, can't you

1013
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: guys see him? The cameras across the street and they

1014
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: were like, he's supposed to.

1015
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: Do you want to explain to Radio Man is real quick?

1016
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Oh yes, of course, Thank you, Jenny, Welcome Voice of

1017
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: the viewers. Radio Man is a very sweet man who

1018
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: originally back in the day, rode his bike all over

1019
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: Manhattan into the different burrows and looked at all of

1020
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: the production notices in New York when you get a

1021
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: permit to shoot any kind of film or television show,

1022
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: they have to put up a production notice so people

1023
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: don't park on the street. Because we have to bring

1024
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: all of our equipment and trailers and whatnot, and theoretically

1025
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: even film on that street, right, so there would be

1026
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: like our show cars they call them, We bring in

1027
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: cars to put there so that we don't bump into

1028
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: someone's car or whatever. So Radiman would go all over

1029
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: town on his bike. I do not believe that he

1030
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: had a home. And he would make it his personal

1031
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: business to know where all the products were going to

1032
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: be the next morning, and then he would come back

1033
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: and say hello. And when he came by to say hello,

1034
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: he would also tell you all the other productions filming

1035
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: that day and where they were. Why did we call

1036
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: him radio man because he also had a massive radio.

1037
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: He had like a boom box. We would call it

1038
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: that that traveled with him on the bike.

1039
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: And then he still does it on a string around

1040
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: his Oh my god, he had a string.

1041
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think he does that anymore because he's

1042
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: a little bit older.

1043
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true.

1044
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: But the radio is in the shot of and just

1045
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: like but he has a grocery cart. We gave him

1046
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: a grocery card because the bike. I don't think, no,

1047
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: I think see him on his bike.

1048
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: I think he's aged that way.

1049
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we do still see him. I think possibly

1050
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: maybe he is in a better living situation. Now we don't.

1051
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: He's not all the time there, which is actually good.

1052
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: That's a little older, and he is a fixture. He's

1053
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: a New York City intersture.

1054
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's where you have to love New York.

1055
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: That some things don't change so much changes.

1056
00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: That's right.

1057
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: Sounds like the beginning of a voiceover it.

1058
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: I wonder which things change.

1059
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: Everything in New York changes, but some things always stay

1060
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: the same.

1061
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: It's so true.

1062
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: There we were in the meatpacking district where it used

1063
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: to smell like meat. I mean, how about that the

1064
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: opening of that episode where when the meatpacking district changed

1065
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: and it really did.

1066
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: Oh, it's nuts. Now every time I go, I'm just.

1067
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 2: Like what Brooklyn? I mean now everyone lives in Brooklyn.

1068
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: No one lives in Brooklyn.

1069
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: No one believes me.

1070
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: That's one of those the people are like, why did

1071
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: you have a storyline about how no one lives at

1072
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: Miranda in Brooklyn?

1073
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: In Brooklyn, can I tell you something funny? Second season

1074
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: of And just like that, we were all in airbea Well,

1075
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: I'm in airbnbs now, right, and not all of us,

1076
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: just me and I rented one in Dumbo And I

1077
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: was picturing Dumbo when we filmed there, right, and I

1078
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: was like, what is this small? It's Disneyland. There's lights

1079
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: that say Dumbo. I was like, I'm still in shock,

1080
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, I did not know. I was like, where

1081
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: you are? Tell me where the warehouses?

1082
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: They're back on our show. Yes, you can watch our

1083
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: show and remember and see these things.

1084
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, wait the end scene of carrying big oh

1085
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: and the wife is in the.

1086
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: Back, and the wife is in the back the specter

1087
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: of the wife.

1088
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: I love that scene too. That seems beautiful and we

1089
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: pretty we love about that scene. It's it's on a

1090
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: village street, but we haven't seen her stupid yet. No,

1091
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: we have not, no, which is super interesting.

1092
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: It's very confusing where you all lived. And I mean,

1093
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: I know we've you know, we always talk about this,

1094
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: but this is one of those talk about lack of continuity.

1095
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're on the village street and it's the

1096
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: village the way I remember that, like the way the

1097
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: village was, and that street is still back.

1098
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it still looks at me except for a

1099
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: lot of people.

1100
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 3: We all have cupcakes, right, and buses exactly.

1101
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: And things like that, But that scene for me, I

1102
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: loved I loved how in some ways open big was

1103
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 2: that's right. He's the one who says, we just went

1104
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: through this dinner and we talked like strangers.

1105
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: What's going on? Right? Good p calls her on it.

1106
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: She would have just said well, good night and been annoyed,

1107
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: but he says, what's going on? And then she she

1108
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: comes clean very quickly, right, And he comes clean pretty quickly, right,

1109
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: and makes a joke which an offhand joke about you know,

1110
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 2: being friends with all his ex wives, but I do

1111
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: think and then they come back together, which I know

1112
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: might be infuriating to people.

1113
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: Now, I didn't feel that way. No, No, I didn't

1114
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: feel that way. I felt more like, that's like saying,

1115
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, these are my faults, yeah, which everyone's going

1116
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: to have, right, like, but I like you now widely,

1117
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: he was more I felt like he was more present

1118
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: and the veil was dropped a little bit. I don't

1119
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: know if that's the right phrase to use for such

1120
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: a dude, but you know, like the wall was down

1121
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: a bit, and he seemed kind of more like making

1122
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: an effort and a little bit more vulnerable. And I

1123
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: love the ex wife being behind him and then disappearing.

1124
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 2: And again, what a beautiful shot. Like on network TV,

1125
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: you never could have done that moment where Nicole starts

1126
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: to walk away and you and then you know, we

1127
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: we we come up on it and she keeps walking.

1128
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: It's like we're on it for a couple seconds longer

1129
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 2: than we need to be and we just get to

1130
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 2: do that to have that moment and not cut because

1131
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: you have a commercial, right right, right?

1132
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never think beautiful so true. Yeah, I mean

1133
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: it's funny because now obviously with streaming, the structure of

1134
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: television has gone our way. But it's hard even for

1135
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: myself to remember what the structure of TV proper was

1136
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: before us and before HBS.

1137
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: Not that it was not being able to spend that

1138
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: and then we had like just freedom and to get

1139
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: like specific shots right on her tree torns in this moment,

1140
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: and you know, we got to do it.

1141
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's beautiful.

1142
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: It was that's a beautiful well Nicole, she did a

1143
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: great job directing that.

1144
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: We really did a beautiful job. She all did a

1145
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: great job too.

1146
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: Every week it was a good episode. It really was lovely,

1147
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: what a great, great episode. I was so lucky I

1148
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: was so lucky to be able to do it.

1149
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: Lucky. Yeah, I know all of us are so lucky,

1150
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: and it's so beautiful to look back on. And for

1151
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: me obviously, like I said, I mean, I really just

1152
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: remember being feeling like the first season was like a mess,

1153
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: because I think I felt a mess, you know, and

1154
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: just like trying so hard, like I was trying so

1155
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: hard to fit in. I was trying so hard to

1156
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: pull off these things and trying to figure out how

1157
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: Pat wanted to dress me and could I do it?

1158
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: And you're not saying like so many actor anxieties, right,

1159
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: and like how is the sex being presented? And what

1160
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: we're we doing? But also it was fun and it

1161
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: was fun because we were together, and the relationship with

1162
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: all of us off camera was also growing because we

1163
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: were together going through this thing and we knew that

1164
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: it was special. We didn't know what we didn't know

1165
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: what it was, but it was just a special, special experience.

1166
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: And you say all these things, and what's amazing about

1167
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: you as a performer is it didn't come through that way.

1168
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: Really you might have been feeling that way, but what

1169
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: it became for Charlotte was just this desire to figure

1170
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 2: things out.

1171
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true, and I mean some of it too.

1172
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, like you can't always really even

1173
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: separate yourself from the character you're playing, you know, and

1174
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: the experience that you have on a set, because as

1175
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: much as you are, of course a separate individual, you're

1176
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,959
Speaker 1: working so hard to figure that character out. And because

1177
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: Charlotte was really very minimal in the beginning of the show, right,

1178
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: and we had to find her all together. And Michael

1179
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: Patrick was like, I didn't know how I was going

1180
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: to write for that character. I was like, oh, no,

1181
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have that character. And obviously he's done a

1182
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: bang up Jo turns out, but you.

1183
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: Know he on the face of it, he didn't absolutely

1184
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: because I actually think and that's where I think I

1185
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: helped a little bit, was that was my world that

1186
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: I had grown up on the Upper East Side.

1187
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: I knew Charlotte's. I wasn't necessarily.

1188
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 2: Exactly I saved the day. It's really what I'm trying

1189
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: to say. I absolutely did not in this part.

1190
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: Not putting those pieces together. That's the first time that

1191
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: her storyline makes sense to me.

1192
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's I mean, maybe that was also just

1193
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: a bit of luck of the draw. But I do

1194
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: think I was able to shine a light on that

1195
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: world a little bit so that it didn't just feel

1196
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 2: like a satire exactly because it could be, and we

1197
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: do satirize it in that episode to some extent, But

1198
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: she's not there to be satirized, right, She's living, breathing

1199
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: with a set of rules that she thought would work

1200
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 2: for her that ultimately didn't.

1201
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: All the best rules were not that they were crazy, No,

1202
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: they were like, she's so open in a way that

1203
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: I didn't even remember, Like I'm like, what am I

1204
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: going to do? Oh my god, Oh my god. You know,

1205
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: it's entertaining, it's entertaining and interesting to watch. But I

1206
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: do think you're right and that all the characters were

1207
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: much more formed than I even realized, you know what

1208
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like you look back and you're like, oh, yeah,

1209
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: we are all there.

1210
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: We just but none of us knew in some ways,

1211
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 2: like they were there and sitting there at that coffee shop.

1212
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: You can see it.

1213
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all doing exactly they you as, these characters

1214
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 2: were all living those characters, right, animatedly living those characters. Right.

1215
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 2: We wouldn't for a little bit, right, until we look

1216
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: back and go there they were right.

1217
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: It hadn't like gelled hard where we were like, yes,

1218
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing and this is how we're

1219
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: doing it. But it was coming. It's coming, super interesting things.

1220
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: Joy is it's so much fun. You're a joke.

1221
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: I could talk forever about that magic time.

1222
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're going to have you back. You've got

1223
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: so many episodes coming. Oh my god, how are we

1224
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: going to choose which ones to happen? I don't know

1225
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: what enjoy though, because you have I mean, of course

1226
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: incredible insights into what it was like to create the show.

1227
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: It was such I hope everyone gets the chance in

1228
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 2: their lives to be part of something from from the beginning,

1229
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: to see something grow.

1230
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: It's so hard, so hard, it's so rare. It's so

1231
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: worth it. It is so worth it. But I mean,

1232
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, you you might and I'm sure you

1233
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: might have had this experience. You know, you try stuff

1234
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: out in our business, right, because of course we're just

1235
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: so you know, lucky to be able to work in

1236
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: our business. Obviously it's a hard business, and people can

1237
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: seem awesome and have great idea and you're like, this

1238
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: could be good and then no, it just does not

1239
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: so much. You don't know why. You know, I've had

1240
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: that since then, never anything that I felt the way

1241
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: that I felt about us, you know what I'm saying.

1242
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: And it's hard. You also feel really bad, like you

1243
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: know that nothing's really good to live up to it.

1244
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for everybody I'm involved with but or have

1245
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: ever been involved with professionally. But you're hoping, you know,

1246
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: it could be fun in a different way or whatever.

1247
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: It will always be.

1248
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: It'll be different, but it will never live up to

1249
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: what that was. And I think we all in retrospect

1250
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: really know that now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I

1251
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: think living it, we even do it.

1252
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: I think we might know that we did.

1253
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but now you really know.

1254
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: It now, we really really And how lucky were we?

1255
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: So lucky?

1256
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: And still so I was gonna say, you get to still,

1257
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: I know Charlotte is in you.

1258
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: I know, I know she's still kicking around there. It's

1259
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: awesome hav mind at this point, but that would be fun.

1260
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. You never know what, Michael do you

1261
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: not know? So get ready. I think the kids are

1262
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: more likely to be having a three I think so

1263
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: I now have to deal with that. But that's okay.

1264
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it is a dream. It's a dream

1265
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: in so many ways. And it's a dream to get

1266
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: to talk to our fans, yeah on the podcast.

1267
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: What a joy to get to hear from people and

1268
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 2: know that the show still lives on I know, right,

1269
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: So thank you all for still watching. Yeah, thank you

1270
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: watching again and watching for the first time.

1271
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, we love all of.

1272
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: You guys, and we're sorry about the flip phones.

1273
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: But it's funny, but it's funny to look at, and

1274
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: even I think in the pilot there's an even bigger one,

1275
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: like it's hysterical to be an evolution of phones. That

1276
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: could be like a subplot of the whole series, the

1277
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: evolution of the phones. Yeah, all right, thank you, Jenny,